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Could someone please tell me if there are two different versions of HTC Sensation. Are there 3G and a 4G versions available? The one I have ordered does not even mention anything about 4G. Thanks
krico said:
Could someone please tell me if there are two different versions of HTC Sensation. Are there 3G and a 4G versions available? The one I have ordered does not even mention anything about 4G. Thanks
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they're all the same phone. It's not really 4G, just the US mobile providers using the term to try to 1-up their competition. Therefore only the tmous version will be Sensation 4G.
All the phones should be capable of 14Mbps HSPA+ tho.
Xnifex is right, 4G is the rage here in the states so everyone is trying to talk it up to entice buyers. HSPA+ is all we have on T-Mobile and the other 4G networks are small so eh.
I believe that I read somewhere that the Euro version IS capable of the same theoretical network speeds, it is just not advertised as 4G.
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I believe that I read somewhere that the Euro version IS capable of the same theoretical network speeds, it is just not advertised as 4G.
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I just studied the specifications and, yes: Both versions are capable of the same speeds. 4G is just a marketing term T-Mobile (and other carriers) like to use.
In Europe (at least where I live), carriers don't usually advertise as being "4G" capable, even if they have started running LTE networks. I've seen advertisements for "HSPA+ speeds", LTE directly as well as "Air to Fiber" to highlight the carriers backend.
I don't think there are GSM/UMTS/LTE smartphones on the market right now, it is still a "future technology" for some time to come.
10332007 said:
Xnifex is right, 4G is the rage here in the states so everyone is trying to talk it up to entice buyers. HSPA+ is all we have on T-Mobile and the other 4G networks are small so eh.
I believe that I read somewhere that the Euro version IS capable of the same theoretical network speeds, it is just not advertised as 4G.
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Correct yet again
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its all 3.5g
get a n8 and you'll see it pull down the same speeds as any of tmobs "4g" phone
This is also the reason I want to change my notification icons from having the 4G to saying H+
Will a g2x.fully work on at &t?
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Nope.
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It will work, but you won't get 3G... Only EDGE.
What is the status of this? If I remember correctly the G2x specs initially listed full compatibly with ATT's data networks, but attempts to make it work were fruitless.
Is there a chance (no matter how slim) that an updated baseband could enable ATT 3g data, or does the hardware truly not support it?
The hardware does not support it. T-Mobile said it was a mistake in the promotional materials but with so many shady things about the way the G2x has been handled, I wonder if it was done on purpose. Part of the reason why I went G2x was because it was AT&T compatible. I wouldn't have had to get a new phone should the merger get approved.
Memnoch30 said:
The hardware does not support it. T-Mobile said it was a mistake in the promotional materials but with so many shady things about the way the G2x has been handled, I wonder if it was done on purpose. Part of the reason why I went G2x was because it was AT&T compatible. I wouldn't have had to get a new phone should the merger get approved.
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Same reason I chose this phone.
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It seems to be an issue with the baseband chip. The 2X uses an Infineon baseband chip and it could have supported 850, 1700 and 2100 (tri-band 3G can be configured for any three bands - optional five band 3G version is available) but the top data speed is 7.2Mbps. On the G2X LG switched to a Qualcomm baseband chip that supports 1700 and 2100 but has a top data speed of 14.4Mbps (also supports quad-band 3G on 850, 900, 1900, 2100 but the AWS version needed for T-Mobile band support is only dual-band). Maybe initially they were going to use the 2X chip but T-Mobile said give us faster data so we can lie to our customers and call it 4G.
For geeks who want to know the 2X uses an Infineon X-GOLD 616 PMB9801 and the G2X uses the Qualcomm MDM6200 baseband chip.
Using mine on at&t...I don't pay for their outrageous data plan so I can't comment say if 3g works or not (I don't see any 3g notification on the phone), but it does work other wise. Who needs a data plan when you have wifi every where you go? I use a wifi app for texting so I'm not sure if the messaging/picture messaging works, but if someone really wants to know I will try a friends sim card....
You gotta be kiddying me man. Seriously you wanna put this phone on ATT and have all those limitations? Go with tmobile. Awesome service!
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It seems to be an issue with the baseband chip. The 2X uses an Infineon baseband chip and it could have supported 850, 1700 and 2100 (tri-band 3G can be configured for any three bands - optional five band 3G version is available) but the top data speed is 7.2Mbps. On the G2X LG switched to a Qualcomm baseband chip that supports 1700 and 2100 but has a top data speed of 14.4Mbps (also supports quad-band 3G on 850, 900, 1900, 2100 but the AWS version needed for T-Mobile band support is only dual-band). Maybe initially they were going to use the 2X chip but T-Mobile said give us faster data so we can lie to our customers and call it 4G.
For geeks who want to know the 2X uses an Infineon X-GOLD 616 PMB9801 and the G2X uses the Qualcomm MDM6200 baseband chip.
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Jboxer you're always full of great spot on data. Is it your job that relates to phones or just a hobby?
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Jboxer you're always full of great spot on data. Is it your job that relates to phones or just a hobby?
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Just a geek.
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Lol! Nothing wrong with that. Just find a girl that thinks its awesome
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Just a geek.
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Just a geek.
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Respect.
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Guess we'll have to wait and see. They are buying all the equipment as well, so I don't see why it wouldn't work once everything is said and done.
broncosman said:
Guess we'll have to wait and see. They are buying all the equipment as well, so I don't see why it wouldn't work once everything is said and done.
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AT&T is buying T-mo spectrum to kill it and use it for LTE. They're keeping their 850/1900 for 2g/3g. The G2x won't work on their network for 3g, neither will 99% of the other T-mobile phones. They won't keep running the 1700/2100 T-mo 3g frequencies for any decent amount of time. Its in their best interest to have all customers running on one set of frequencies.
Im planning to buy either one of this phone but something is confusing me about the 3G. I dont have a 4g plan only 3g. Will there be a difference in speed if i use 3g for both phone?
I copied this from gsm arena. This confuses me???
G2x HSDPA, 21 Mbps; HSUPA
Optimus 2x HSDPA, 7.2 Mbps; HSUPA, 5.76 Mbps
G2X is for USA T-Mobile bands 4g/3g, edge as well. The optimus 2X is for European bands on DT
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It depends on where you are going to be using the phone. The 2X (P990) baseband chip is slower than the G2X's (P999) baseband chip. Having said that you need to buy the phone based on where you plan to use it. The P999 only works on 1700 and 2100Mhz 3/4G networks. The P990 works on 900, 1900 and 2100Mhz 3G networks. Be careful as there are some P999s marketed as 2X, such as in Canada by Wind Mobile. G2X is a proprietary T-Mobile name and only they can use it. So you should think in terms of P990 and P999, not 2X and G2X.
I was reading somewhere that tmobile's 4g is the same speed as wind's 3g
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calcio4life said:
I was reading somewhere that tmobile's 4g is the same speed as wind's 3g
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T-Mobile doesn't have true 4G. They have HSDPA+ which can get speeds up to 42Mbps but you never see these speeds in real life. The modem in the P999 (G2X) has a max download capability of 21Mbps. There is no definition of 4G so carriers like T-Mobile can call anything they want as 4G as a marketing ploy. Here in Thailand we have 42Mpbs speeds now but nobody has the balls to call it 4G. For example, TOT3G calls it 3.9G. So yes, it is very possible that T-Mobile's 4G is the same as Wind's 3G if Wind is running HSDPA+, which most carriers have deployed by now.
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It depends on where you are going to be using the phone. The 2X (P990) baseband chip is slower than the G2X's (P999) baseband chip. Having said that you need to buy the phone based on where you plan to use it. The P999 only works on 1700 and 2100Mhz 3/4G networks. The P990 works on 900, 1900 and 2100Mhz 3G networks.
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I'm in the USA. What coverage can I get with my G2X (P999) in Europe?
And does the suffix make a difference? Mine comes up as an LG-P999bn.
EEngineer said:
I'm in the USA. What coverage can I get with my G2X (P999) in Europe?
And does the suffix make a difference? Mine comes up as an LG-P999bn.
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Almost all of Europe uses 2100Mhz so you are better off with a P999 (G2X) because it has a faster 3G radio (21Mbps) as compared to a P990 (7.2Mbps). Both phones will work in Europe on almost all (if not all) 3G systems.
"BN" is a new one. Haven't heard of that one before. Most of the suffixes don't mean much. They designate hardware revisions or refurb units. Other known suffixes are DW, DWU, DWDP and WA. You sure it is "BN?" The LG Updater doesn't show that suffix as supported as of yet. Probably because yours came with the latest v21e rom so there is nothing for the updater to updater yet on yours.
EDIT: T MOBILE IS REFARMING 1700 AWS BAND for use WITH LTE and it means no HSPA+ on our G2x.
T mobile is moving HSPA+ to 1900 PCS band
Time for t mobile to give us a new phone
look thishttp://www.fiercewireless.com/story/t-mobile-launch-lte-2013-aws-spectrum-divested-att/2012-02-23
OUR G2xis officially dead now
waht you think will happen to us g2x customers?
and this http://www.tmonews.com/2012/02/t-mobile-ceo-philip-humm-and-cto-neville-ray-outline-company-plans/
I'm not sure how you got the G2x is dead from those articles. To me, it looks like T-Mobile is getting some additional spectrum from AT&T and is going to use it to deploy LTE. HSPA+ is going to be around for quite a while.
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look thishttp://www.fiercewireless.com/story/t-mobile-launch-lte-2013-aws-spectrum-divested-att/2012-02-23
OUR G2xis officially dead now
waht you think will happen to us g2x customers?
and this http://www.tmonews.com/2012/02/t-mobile-ceo-philip-humm-and-cto-neville-ray-outline-company-plans/
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I don't see how this move kills the G2x?
It's already been EOL'd. But devs are keeping this device alive just like any of the other old T-Mobile phones.
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Huh... Why?
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i think it doesnt matter a whole lot to what lg does or doesnt do because we have alot of devs who do support the g2x and in those to articles it is not confirmed that the g2x or any other lg device will stop being supported.
Lol. That title is a bit hilarious, even more so that the ics ports are coming through.
I could understand the title of this thread in LG forums, but here..... Tell that to the devs who are Still updating and making badass roms for this phone.
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Well that was a waste of time
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shadowpr2007 said:
look thishttp://www.fiercewireless.com/story/t-mobile-launch-lte-2013-aws-spectrum-divested-att/2012-02-23
OUR G2xis officially dead now
waht you think will happen to us g2x customers?
and this http://www.tmonews.com/2012/02/t-mobile-ceo-philip-humm-and-cto-neville-ray-outline-company-plans/
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He is obviously right guys, he is just some random guy with less than 20 posts so he obviously knows everything. We should all listen to him and take a hammer to our G2x's, milk the insurance while we still can. (And get a replacement Galaxy S 4G? Yeah, right.)
shadowpr2007 said:
look thishttp://www.fiercewireless.com/story/t-mobile-launch-lte-2013-aws-spectrum-divested-att/2012-02-23
OUR G2xis officially dead now
waht you think will happen to us g2x customers?
and this http://www.tmonews.com/2012/02/t-mobile-ceo-philip-humm-and-cto-neville-ray-outline-company-plans/
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All that LTE news is irrelevant to the status of the G2x, which we already knew, was EOL'd.
We also know good and well LG doesn't really care. They're out pushing all kinds of devices for 2012, they'll probably deliver a half-assed ICS update for the Optimus 2x way later in the year, that we'll have to port. I STRONGLY believe T-Mobile will never get ICS from LG pushed through to us G2x owners. So we are literally left to our own devices. So we shouldn't really care about their progress anyway
I believe we are in the hands of our developers at XDA and RootzWiki. THEY decide when the G2x is dead. They'll probably have CM9 Release Candidates ready for us before the update even arrives for the Optimus. When they stop supporting us, I'll consider this phone dead.
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Lol. That title is a bit hilarious, even more so that the ics ports are coming through.
I could understand the title of this thread in LG forums, but here..... Tell that to the devs who are Still updating and making badass roms for this phone.
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Lol seriously, I'm running EB 2.3.7 v2.8 and Trinity ELP underclocked to 750mhz, I get days battery life and I feel it's smoother than my step dad's stock SGS2.
This phone is going to be alive and well for a long time.
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All that LTE news is irrelevant to the status of the G2x, which we already knew, was EOL'd.
We also know good and well LG doesn't really care. They're out pushing all kinds of devices for 2012, they'll probably deliver a half-assed ICS update for the Optimus 2x way later in the year, that we'll have to port. I STRONGLY believe T-Mobile will never get ICS from LG pushed through to us G2x owners. So we are literally left to our own devices.
We are in the hands of our developers at XDA and RootzWiki. THEY decide when the G2x is dead. They'll probably have CM9 Release Candidates ready for us before the update even arrives for the Optimus. When they stop supporting us, I'll consider this phone dead.
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Uhh, I don't agree with the Optimus part (if you mean the Optimus 2x) all arcee is doing is porting his O2x builds to the G2x, so we'll have RC's and nightly support at the exact same day, on the exact same time.
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Uhh, I don't agree with the Optimus part (if you mean the Optimus 2x) all arcee is doing is porting his O2x builds to the G2x, so we'll have RC's and nightly support at the exact same day, on the exact same time.
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Oops, I phrased it wrong there then. I meant to say the we'd get CM9 updates before LG even pushes their official update to the Optimus 2x.
wow! OP loled me LTE won't replace HSPA+, it will work in addition to HSPA+
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He is obviously right guys, he is just some random guy with less than 20 posts so he obviously knows everything. We should all listen to him and take a hammer to our G2x's, milk the insurance while we still can. (And get a replacement Galaxy S 4G? Yeah, right.)
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if you read they will be turning off 1700 HSPA+ off and they will moving it to 1900 BAND which the G2x does not support........... you should twink twice before posting.. means no HSPA+ for our beloved G2x.
shadowpr2007 said:
if you read they will be turning off 1700 HSPA+ off and they will moving it to 1900 BAND which the G2x does not support........... you should twink twice before posting.. means no HSPA+ for our beloved G2x.
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I don't see where it says that tthey are gonna turn off the 1700Mhz band.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but from what I read it says that they are gonna use the 1900Mhz band, which is currently the 2G bands, nd swap that out for the new LTE HSPA+
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russell956956 said:
I don't see where it says that tthey are gonna turn off the 1700Mhz band.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but from what I read it says that they are gonna use the 1900Mhz band, which is currently the 2G bands, nd swap that out for the new LTE HSPA+
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they are clearing out there 1700 band for use it with LTE thats why they are moving HSPA+ to 1900 band
How in the world is this suppose to effect T-Mobile G2x!!!!!!
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shadowpr2007 said:
they are clearing out there 1700 band for use it with LTE thats why they are moving HSPA+ to 1900 band
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The T-Mobile G2x is quadband, I think 1900 is one of the bands it supports, so this doesn't actually mean anything to us G2x users.
And I'm no genius when it comes to things like this, but why would they just clear out that band when all of their 4G phones use it? Just go ahead and trash all the 4G phones they already have out? Why wouldn't they just put LTE on the 1900 band.
Also, isn't the 1900 band used for their 2G? I don't see why they would trash that either.
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shadowpr2007 said:
EDIT: T MOBILE IS REFARMING 1700 AWS BAND for use WITH LTE and it means no HSPA+ on our G2x.
T mobile is moving HSPA+ to 1900 PCS band
Time for t mobile to give us a new phone
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If you got a new phone it would most likely be a refurbished Galaxy S 4G.
EDIT: Yeah, the G2x definitely supports the 1900 band.
EDIT 2: http://g2.t-mobile.com/g2x#Specs
"Band/frequency: Quad band GSM (850/900/1800/1900 MHz), Dual band UMTS (1700/2100 MHZ Bands 1 & 4)" straight from the T-Mo website. No network would ever just trash all of their previous 4G phones for LTE.
^ that is GSM, and well GSM is 2G ><
Almost everysingle phone is quadband GSM,,
but only few phones have true support for almost all 3G bands, that will work with ATT 3G as well as T-Mobile 3G. I can only think of Nokia N9 and Nokia N8.
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^ that is GSM, and well GSM is 2G ><
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I know, but it still doesn't seem like T-Mo would clear out a whole band that all of their 4G phones use and trash all of their 4G phones for LTE, when they could clear out another band.
Shouldn't they use lower frequency bands so that they will penetrate building walls better? That's a problem I have always had with T-Mo, sketchy signals inside malls and such.
There is really lack of phones that support 1700MHz.
Especially looking at phones from Sony Ericsson & Sony as well as newest Nokia phones.
I am all for switching to 1900MHz.
well im looking into moving to straight talk under t mobile... Ive had both at*t and t mobile here in nyc and i would have to say t mobile gives me better speed at the sacrifice of some low signals. (in regards to t mobiles HSPA+ network) now ive been looking at these phones as ive sold my old phones and will be starting fresh with a new phone to start straight talk service ( i no longer have my phones from t-mobile or at*t)
Motorola MB886 Atrix HD
Pantech Flex P8010
Optimus L9 P769
HTC Raider 4G
LG Thrill 4G P925
HTC Sensation XE
myTouch 4G
now on gsmarena it list the different bands (freq.) these phones above run on.. even if some of them originally were made for only one carrier such as the (pantech flex).
My question is how do i know if the phones listed above are DEFINITELY COMPATIBLE with the straight talk T MOBILE HSPA+ network ( when i had my old t mobile galaxy s II i was getting 6-8Mbps with ease)
Assuming i would have to unlock the phone of choice regardless if its a carrier exclusive yes?
Are there any specific bands i should look out for to know for sure that the phone WILL work on the HSPA+ network of T-MOBILE? can an unlock pantech flex originally exclusive for at&t work on t mobile HSPA+ network without a problem with the same data speeds Ive seen?
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It is very rare for a non T-Mobile branded phone to be able to utilize the full T-Mobile 4G. They use the 1900mhz band which is pretty much a T-Mobile USA exclusive.
They are, however, refarming their spectrum to allow for AT&T 4G capable phones to use T-Mobile 4G, but it is not quite widespread yet. They are rapidly doing this and expect them to be done by the middle of next year when they deploy LTE. If you live near a large city, chances are the towers have been refarmed
Oh. And if the phone is T-Mobile branded and released in the last year you should have HSPA+ 42 which is blazing fast
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I have the Optimus L9 (P769).. I have Simple as my carrier, which is also a T-Mobile MVNO.. I average about the same speed as you with your S II.. The Optimus is a good phone, though it does have a major drawback.. You can't move apps to your SD card.. Even though mine has been rooted, still not possible.. It does have a slot for an SD, But it's only good for music, vids, etc. And with only 2GB internal storage, it's really not that much..
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It is very rare for a non T-Mobile branded phone to be able to utilize the full T-Mobile 4G. They use the 1900mhz band which is pretty much a T-Mobile USA exclusive.
They are, however, refarming their spectrum to allow for AT&T 4G capable phones to use T-Mobile 4G, but it is not quite widespread yet. They are rapidly doing this and expect them to be done by the middle of next year when they deploy LTE. If you live near a large city, chances are the towers have been refarmed
Oh. And if the phone is T-Mobile branded and released in the last year you should have HSPA+ 42 which is blazing fast
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Sorry, not to be argumentative, but 1900mhz is the band that T-mobile is refarming to use for HSPA+. They did not previously use it for high speed data.
In the US, T-mobile was the only carrier to use the AWS band for high speed data, which uses both 1700/2100 mhz for up/download.
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Sorry, not to be argumentative, but 1900mhz is the band that T-mobile is refarming to use for HSPA+. They did not previously use it for high speed data.
In the US, T-mobile was the only carrier to use the AWS band for high speed data, which uses both 1700/2100 mhz for up/download.
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My mistake, always mixing up the two. Haha
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