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[Q] AT&T Turns off 3G Stunt

So there is millions of AT&T crap network without 3G service across the US. Does anyone feel like I do in the sense that AT&T is doing this as a stunt to the government to show how crappy their network is and why they need to dismantle the beautiful creation TMO created with HSPA+. Its sad the AT&T has to stoop so low to get what they want.

No because each run off of different 3g technologies ...plus at&t is going lte for their 4g
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laker666 said:
No because each run off of different 3g technologies ...plus at&t is going lte for their 4g
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i disagree both AT&T are both GSM the only difference is the frequency they operate on. AT&T will dismantle TMO HSPA+ for their "LTE" rollout. of course raise prices.

AT&T didn't storm Deutsche Telekom's offices with guns to get them to agree to sell T-Mobile U.S. Deutsche Telekom is in a world of financial hurt and needs the $39B to reinvest in what's left once T-Mobile's gone. In fact, they're giving back 1/3 of the $39B to shareholders after closing to compensate for their ****ty financial performance.
T-Mobile U.S. has the lowest yield per pre-paid customer of all four carriers, the highest attrition rate, the highest bad debt write-off, and the lowest margins. That all adds up to less money to invest in new products and services in a highly competitive environment. None of this is sustainable for a public company that answers to shareholders. So if it wasn't AT&T, it would be Sprint or private equity (which means slash and burn). Fat, dumb, and happy wasn't ever really an option.

Let your voice be heard. Go to the FCC website, and post your comment about the merger. fjallfoss dot fcc dot gov/ecfs/hotdocket/list proceeding number 11-65.

@flack0, they have different radios, hence the reason a T-Mobile phone will not run at&TS 3g and an at&t phone won't run tmobiles 3g
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I don't know where you get your facts, but DT is NOT in a world of financial hurt.
They are, however, looking to offload debt that they can't justify.
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Unless you have a G2x with unlocked AT&T frequencies or the other high end phones that Tmobile is coming out with that supports both Tmobile and AT&T 3G frequencies.
Tmobile is pretty confident that the merger is going to go through and is releasing some of their high end phones with dual support

Those rumors about the g2x having both at&t and T-Mobile 3g/4g bands have been long proven to be false...same with the sensation ....to my knowledge there isn't a phone out as of yet that supports both. Please correct me if I'm wrong ...and if you unlock this phone to at&t it will work, but only on edge and wifi
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laker666 said:
Those rumors about the g2x having both at&t and T-Mobile 3g/4g bands have been long proven to be false...same with the sensation ....to my knowledge there isn't a phone out as of yet that supports both. Please correct me if I'm wrong ...and if you unlock this phone to at&t it will work, but only on edge and wifi
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It has the hardware but not the software, YET.
FYI, http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1139849

flak0 said:
So there is millions of AT&T crap network without 3G service across the US. Does anyone feel like I do in the sense that AT&T is doing this as a stunt to the government to show how crappy their network is and why they need to dismantle the beautiful creation TMO created with HSPA+. Its sad the AT&T has to stoop so low to get what they want.
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ATT gave half a billion dollars to democrat lawmakers to ensure the deal will go through. It's a done deal. Tmobile is history. All hail new higher prices and crappy service.
I plan on re-signing a new two year agreement at my grandfathered pricing as late as possible to push back the inevitable price hikes.
Edit. The dems recived $500,000 in contributions from ATT. Sorry for the typo.

sstang2006 said:
It has the hardware but not the software, YET.
FYI, http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1139849
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??? Not that I doubt you, but do you have any solid proof that it will work on ATT 3g? Conformation from ATT, Tmo or LG? Have any of the companies involved guaranteed it will work? All that thread says it should support it. I find the claims that it is locked down and hidden but will magically work later dubious at best.

jcbofkc said:
ATT gave half a billion dollars to democrat lawmakers to ensure the deal will go through. It's a done deal. Tmobile is history. All hail new higher prices and crappy service.
I plan on re-signing a new two year agreement at my grandfathered pricing as late as possible to push back the inevitable price hikes.
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I would not say the price hacks are innevitable. When verizon bought out alltell they didnt jack up the price on their current plans. In fact they pretty much stayed the same, just owned by verizon.

@sstang2006, yeah that's not proof that's just the same guy posting the same thing in a different thread...it isn't possible for this phone to run on at&t's 3g/4g networks
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laker666 said:
Those rumors about the g2x having both at&t and T-Mobile 3g/4g bands have been long proven to be false...same with the sensation ....to my knowledge there isn't a phone out as of yet that supports both. Please correct me if I'm wrong ...and if you unlock this phone to at&t it will work, but only on edge and wifi
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There are several phones out right now that support 3g on att and tmobile nokia makes atleast 6 phones that are pentaband wcdma 5 bands and the tmobile vibrant will do 3g on att Band I (UMTS 2100, Europe's main 3G band)
Band II (UMTS 1900, US band)
Band IV (UMTS 1700/2100, US band)
Band V (UMTS 850, US band)
Band VIII (UMTS 900, Europe and used e.g. in France and Finland in rural areas)

Well you saying it ISN'T possible isn't warranted either.
The hardware specs specifically say it supports those bands. Tmobile also said it supported those bands. LG said it supported those bands. It passed the FCC with those bands.
Tmobile stated that several of their high end phones will support the AT&T 3G bands and will be unlocked to do so once the merger goes through.
The G2x was the first to support them. The Sensation doesn't. I think the Hercules will as well (although be still be locked until the merger).
Now really, no one REALLY knows one way or another... but looking at the evidence (which are referenced all over the place) it would be best to say that one day we COULD have support for AT&T 3G (unlike the Sensation which doesn't have the hardware).
We do have the hardware but it is locked down. Being it is such a new phone and we don't have any other baselands available, we can't simply flash and be successful. Perhaps the Canadian version will have them all unlocked and we can use theirs.
But to say it isn't possible is not proven just as much as saying it is possible. I would say it IS possible but not right now (AKA it doesn't work out of the box).

i hope you're right sir....that is if the merger happens

player911 said:
Well you saying it ISN'T possible isn't warranted either.
The hardware specs specifically say it supports those bands. Tmobile also said it supported those bands. LG said it supported those bands. It passed the FCC with those bands.
Tmobile stated that several of their high end phones will support the AT&T 3G bands and will be unlocked to do so once the merger goes through.
The G2x was the first to support them. The Sensation doesn't. I think the Hercules will as well (although be still be locked until the merger).
Now really, no one REALLY knows one way or another... but looking at the evidence (which are referenced all over the place) it would be best to say that one day we COULD have support for AT&T 3G (unlike the Sensation which doesn't have the hardware).
We do have the hardware but it is locked down. Being it is such a new phone and we don't have any other baselands available, we can't simply flash and be successful. Perhaps the Canadian version will have them all unlocked and we can use theirs.
But to say it isn't possible is not proven just as much as saying it is possible. I would say it IS possible but not right now (AKA it doesn't work out of the box).
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I would love for this to be a possibility but where do you find that the phone has the hardware? Everything I can find via Google searches says it does not.

phburks said:
I would love for this to be a possibility but where do you find that the phone has the hardware? Everything I can find via Google searches says it does not.
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The hardware specs are all over the place. It was only AFTER the phone was released that Tmobile said the phone didn't support it and it was restricted by "hardware".
pfft.
The G2x is based off the O2x. Sure slightly different but I would almost bet they used the same "quadband EDGE, and quadband HSPA+ (with future-proof support for 2100, 1900, 1700 / AWS, and 850MHz)" chip.
I bet the G2x and the O2x use the same chip. Tmobile probably just ordered it to be locked down (lack of drivers or something).
It would require a tear down of both the G2x and O2x to be certain.

player911 said:
The hardware specs are all over the place. It was only AFTER the phone was released that Tmobile said the phone didn't support it and it was restricted by "hardware".
pfft.
The G2x is based off the O2x. Sure slightly different but I would almost bet they used the same "quadband EDGE, and quadband HSPA+ (with future-proof support for 2100, 1900, 1700 / AWS, and 850MHz)" chip.
I bet the G2x and the O2x use the same chip. Tmobile probably just ordered it to be locked down (lack of drivers or something).
It would require a tear down of both the G2x and O2x to be certain.
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"all over the place" ... "I bet" ... and "probably" don't really prove anything. You're just speculating, and so far it's based only on your opinion because you haven't provided any sort of links or references to prove your point. The only things I can find regarding the G2X having quad band HSPA+ are when T-Mobile admitted that they were wrong in saying it supported those bands in the first place. On LG's own website they list the G2X as supporting only 2 HSPA+ frequencies (1700/2100). Also on LG's website, they list the O2x as supporting 3 HSPA+ frequencies (900/1900/2100).
It would be awesome if T-Mobile had been correct, but there is nothing I can find that suggests they were. I'm just asking that you pull one or two links from your "all over the place" evidence so that I can have the same faith that you do. I'm not finding it, so I'm asking you to show me. That's all.
Here are the links to LG's product listings for the O2x and the G2X, and the specifications can be viewed by clicking on the specifications tab for each product:
G2X here: http://www.lg.com/us/mobile-phones/LG-P999.jsp
O2x here: http://www.lg.com/uk/mobile-phones/all-lg-phones/LG-android-mobile-phone-P990.jsp
**EDIT** -- Let me just add that I sincerely hope you prove me wrong, because that would be some awesome news about this phone.

[Q] LG Thrill vs Optimus

Is there any practical difference between the two or are they just rebranded versions of each other?
I'm sitting with my LG Thrill 4G right now and am looking to get some sort of root happening so I can manage this battery life..

pretty sure it's just branding but don't quote me on that.

All tech sites list them as the same so don't think there is any real difference.

If they are identical does that mean that the Optimus has a 4G radio?

fazzy360 said:
If they are identical does that mean that the Optimus has a 4G radio?
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AFAIK neither the O3D or the Thrill has true 4G radio, as I understand it it's just that some updated 3G stuff are OK to call 4G because of the upgrade even though it's not really 4G.
As I remember AT&T and some other network had a case before the review board that decides what is what because their ads said 4G but it's really not, but because of the speed upgrade they where doing etc it was decided that it could be called 4G.
I might be totally wrong and the Thrill 4G really has a 4G radio but I don't think so, I think most of the 4G phones are actually 3GPP LTE.
LG.com on Thrill said:
Frequency
Quad-band GSM/GPRS/EDGE; 850/900/1800/1900 MHz; Tri-band UMTS/HSPA+; 850/1900/2100 MHz
DataTransmission
HSDPA 14.4 Mbps, HSUPA 5.7 Mbps
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Looks just like the O3D so unless the Thrill 4G for AT&T is a one of a kind AT&T specific phone that no other carrier can have then the 4G is marketing and nothing else.
CASE AND POINT
http://www.motherboard.tv/2011/1/7/...etwork-proves-4g-doesn-t-really-mean-anything

G2x on at &t?

Will a g2x.fully work on at &t?
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Nope.
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It will work, but you won't get 3G... Only EDGE.

What is the status of this? If I remember correctly the G2x specs initially listed full compatibly with ATT's data networks, but attempts to make it work were fruitless.
Is there a chance (no matter how slim) that an updated baseband could enable ATT 3g data, or does the hardware truly not support it?

The hardware does not support it. T-Mobile said it was a mistake in the promotional materials but with so many shady things about the way the G2x has been handled, I wonder if it was done on purpose. Part of the reason why I went G2x was because it was AT&T compatible. I wouldn't have had to get a new phone should the merger get approved.

Memnoch30 said:
The hardware does not support it. T-Mobile said it was a mistake in the promotional materials but with so many shady things about the way the G2x has been handled, I wonder if it was done on purpose. Part of the reason why I went G2x was because it was AT&T compatible. I wouldn't have had to get a new phone should the merger get approved.
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Same reason I chose this phone.
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It seems to be an issue with the baseband chip. The 2X uses an Infineon baseband chip and it could have supported 850, 1700 and 2100 (tri-band 3G can be configured for any three bands - optional five band 3G version is available) but the top data speed is 7.2Mbps. On the G2X LG switched to a Qualcomm baseband chip that supports 1700 and 2100 but has a top data speed of 14.4Mbps (also supports quad-band 3G on 850, 900, 1900, 2100 but the AWS version needed for T-Mobile band support is only dual-band). Maybe initially they were going to use the 2X chip but T-Mobile said give us faster data so we can lie to our customers and call it 4G.
For geeks who want to know the 2X uses an Infineon X-GOLD 616 PMB9801 and the G2X uses the Qualcomm MDM6200 baseband chip.

Using mine on at&t...I don't pay for their outrageous data plan so I can't comment say if 3g works or not (I don't see any 3g notification on the phone), but it does work other wise. Who needs a data plan when you have wifi every where you go? I use a wifi app for texting so I'm not sure if the messaging/picture messaging works, but if someone really wants to know I will try a friends sim card....

You gotta be kiddying me man. Seriously you wanna put this phone on ATT and have all those limitations? Go with tmobile. Awesome service!

jboxer said:
It seems to be an issue with the baseband chip. The 2X uses an Infineon baseband chip and it could have supported 850, 1700 and 2100 (tri-band 3G can be configured for any three bands - optional five band 3G version is available) but the top data speed is 7.2Mbps. On the G2X LG switched to a Qualcomm baseband chip that supports 1700 and 2100 but has a top data speed of 14.4Mbps (also supports quad-band 3G on 850, 900, 1900, 2100 but the AWS version needed for T-Mobile band support is only dual-band). Maybe initially they were going to use the 2X chip but T-Mobile said give us faster data so we can lie to our customers and call it 4G.
For geeks who want to know the 2X uses an Infineon X-GOLD 616 PMB9801 and the G2X uses the Qualcomm MDM6200 baseband chip.
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Jboxer you're always full of great spot on data. Is it your job that relates to phones or just a hobby?

Mister Hat said:
Jboxer you're always full of great spot on data. Is it your job that relates to phones or just a hobby?
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Just a geek.
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Lol! Nothing wrong with that. Just find a girl that thinks its awesome
jboxer said:
Just a geek.
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jboxer said:
Just a geek.
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Respect.
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Guess we'll have to wait and see. They are buying all the equipment as well, so I don't see why it wouldn't work once everything is said and done.

broncosman said:
Guess we'll have to wait and see. They are buying all the equipment as well, so I don't see why it wouldn't work once everything is said and done.
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AT&T is buying T-mo spectrum to kill it and use it for LTE. They're keeping their 850/1900 for 2g/3g. The G2x won't work on their network for 3g, neither will 99% of the other T-mobile phones. They won't keep running the 1700/2100 T-mo 3g frequencies for any decent amount of time. Its in their best interest to have all customers running on one set of frequencies.

T-Mobile USA 3G Compatible - Which Version?

I hear the O3D has 2 international versions, and both do not support the T-Mobile USA 1700/2100 band.
How can I tell the difference?
I already made the mistake getting the Thrill 4G without realizing it would only work on 2G for T-Mobile. Awesome phone but I would like to have 3G as well so I will be returning my Thrill and getting an O3D on eBay.

there's been a lot of topics similar to this.
When searching online or on ebay, just go read the HSDPA bands. If it has 1700 on it, you're fine. Ignore the GSM bands since that's every version of the Optimus 3D will work.
http://www.atgsm.com/LG_P920_Optimus_3D_Black_p/phone-lgp920black.htm
Here's a link, sorry not ebay.

MABManZ said:
... I already made the mistake getting the Thrill 4G without realizing it would only work on 2G for T-Mobile. Awesome phone but I would like to have 3G as well so I will be returning my Thrill and getting an O3D on eBay.
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Ouch. You may want to get it from a retailer since you'll have a better chance at getting a better warranty. There are domestic (USA-based) retailers who have the O3D at good prices, AND if it's the wrong one you'll have an easier time returning it. Plus, they will be able to tell you if you are getting the right one with AWS/1700 bands. That's the one I have and I get 3.5G speeds on it. You can see other threads for some speed test results, and they are good.
Good luck.

HSPA+ vs. LTE

seriously ive been wondering about this for a while now, and im just wondering which is truly better. HSPA+ or LTe? post speedtest pictures please...

Starseed said:
Idk... Look it up online.
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There are plenty of quotes on the boards, search is your friend.
It varies vastly by region. LTE is semi-consistent at 30Mbps+. HSPA+ can be anywhere from 1Mbps to 11Mbps. If LTE is available its the fastest connection available. But, its on limited markets on att.

Right now, lte is faster than hspa+ by around 10mbps (of course this can vary greatly). The difference is that lte is has much more potential. So in time, it's better to have an lte phone. But right now they are fairly comparable
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I see... Cause i really want lte but still want power like the original s2...

Starseed said:
I see... Cause i really want lte but still want power like the original s2...
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Yeah, the i777 is the best, most powerful phone on att. Maybe the Galaxy S III will have LTE, or maybe a Note with LTE. There was just a FCC application for a Galaxy Note with LTE on att bands, but isn't proof it will actually hit att subsidized.
The Vivid is supposed to be nice, but its crickets in the dev forum, they only got the bootloader unlocked a few days ago. That will probably be the best bet for LTE phone.
The Skyrocket is just different enough it will stay forever in obscurity. The Nitro HD is a normal LG phone on att ... good build quality, poor dev draw, and don't plan on timely updates.
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Another thing on LTE, if you are on the old unlimited plan tons of people are getting throttled down to near zero, sometimes at less than 2 GB. So all that speed is wasted, and anyone that knows enough to know they want the extra speed will probably not get to use it for long.
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quarlow said:
Yeah, the i777 is the best, most powerful phone on att. Maybe the Galaxy S III will have LTE, or maybe a Note with LTE. There was just a FCC application for a Galaxy Note with LTE on att bands, but isn't proof it will actually hit att subsidized.
The Vivid is supposed to be nice, but its crickets in the dev forum, they only got the bootloader unlocked a few days ago. That will probably be the best bet for LTE phone.
The Skyrocket is just different enough it will stay forever in obscurity. The Nitro HD is a normal LG phone on att ... good build quality, poor dev draw, and don't plan on timely updates.
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Actually the skyrocket has an amazing dev community..mostly because of the fact that it can use the ROM's and Kernels of the T-mobile SGSII. And there is talk that it may be pentaband...the Radio's are interchangable as well.

Well this is interesting. How much are your guys speeds, and how much is your skyrocket if you have one?

are LTE network compatible with 4G? or LTE phones compatible with HSPDA+ phones? in other words, LTE phones and HSPDA+ phones work on different network or LTE phones can also receive HSPDA+ 4G data (functions)?

So i have read that T-mobile is getting LTE in 2013. Do that mean i have to get a new phone again, i wonder if my GS2 will get faster on the new network. And where the hell is my ICS update? This suppose to be their best phone as of now.
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citrix80 said:
are LTE network compatible with 4G? or LTE phones compatible with HSPDA+ phones? in other words, LTE phones and HSPDA+ phones work on different network or LTE phones can also receive HSPDA+ 4G data (functions)?
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LTE & HSPDA+ are both classified as '4G' but are different, incompatible systems.
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azumis said:
So i have read that T-mobile is getting LTE in 2013. Do that mean i have to get a new phone again, i wonder if my GS2 will get faster on the new network. And where the hell is my ICS update?
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Your phone will not run on LTE. But T-Mobile's HSTPS+ network is pretty fast and will be in operation for years to come, longer than you'll keep your present phone.
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so HSPDA+ and LTE has different network? LTE phones cannot receive HSPDA+ networks?
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Your phone will not run on LTE. But T-Mobile's HSTPS+ network is pretty fast and will be in operation for years to come, longer than you'll keep your present phone.
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what is HSTPS+ ? news says t-mobile is moving to LTE. currently released phone are HSPDA+ , so all the phones will not work with that?
http://www.phonearena.com/news/T-Mo...r-LTE-leaves-82Mbps-HSPA-plans-behind_id27474

citrix80 said:
what is HSTPS+ ?
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A typo.
t-mobile is moving to LTE. currently released phone are HSPDA+ , so all the phones will not work with that?
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Present HSPDA+ phones will not work with LTE. I suppose some future phones may be capable of HSPDA+ and LTE. But my next phone will be HSPDA+. It will be around a long time, it's pretty fast and uses less battery power anyway.
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