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Is anyone having issues with the camera? When I pinch to zoom in, I find the camera not properly focusing. This seems to occur no matter if it on single shot, hdr, etc. Its not ALL photos, just moist of them. Used to have thunderbolt and did not experience this type of issue there. The reviews praised the s3 camera, so i am disappointed. Anyone have any advice? Thanks
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Unfortunately I also am experiencing this same problem. I dont have a real solution but to use an alternative camera application, and hope it helps.
Try a diff gallery. I found sometimes the gallery will not focus in. Although sometimes I have found myself dissapointed in the camera. There are 2 different cameras in the s3 one is app lower quality.
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You're not alone! The camera is almost always blurry for me, and sadly, bad enough for me to say this camera SUCKS. I really hope this is a firmware issue.
I've looked at the pictures on my computer as well, and they're just not nearly focused.
+1 on all of it for me
So let me get this straight:
While you're in camera mode, about to take a picture, and you pinch to zoom-in, the photo gets blurry?
Or are you talking about in the gallery when you pinch-to-zoom on a picture you've already taken?
If it's the former, I believe it's one of two things: 1) firmware issue, or 2) hardware issue. If it is indeed a hardware issue, you can probably get a replacement free of charge from Verizon.
If it's the latter, I think you just have to wait a few seconds for the phone to show you the high-res version instead of the low-quality blurry snapshot.
My sister has the same issue on her Galaxy Nexus. But I'm assuming that's not the case, since the blurriness usually goes away in a matter of seconds?
I've found the camera pretty crummy in anything but full-light settings. It's really frustrating.
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I've found the camera pretty crummy in anything but full-light settings..
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That statement pretty much applies to any camera/phone.
One thing you guys might want to try is using the app "CameraFX"
CameraFX has a pretty cool feature that allows you to take a pic by voice activation. I find the camera phones are much harder to hold steady and take a clear shot than a real DC (& I'm a pro photographer). Using the voice activation allows you to hold the camera super steady & then just say a word like now or smile etc when you're ready to take the shot.
I have my camera set to take a shot with the volume button, but the voice activation is still easier to use IMHO.
jmorton10 said:
That statement pretty much applies to any camera/phone.
One thing you guys might want to try is using the app "CameraFX"
CameraFX has a pretty cool feature that allows you to take a pic by voice activation. I find the camera phones are much harder to hold steady and take a clear shot than a real DC (& I'm a pro photographer). Using the voice activation allows you to hold the camera super steady & then just say a word like now or smile etc when you're ready to take the shot.
I have my camera set to take a shot with the volume button, but the voice activation is still easier to use IMHO.
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This camera doesn't focus properly. Period. I'll do side-by-side shots with my Rezound and iPhone. The GS3 camera is woeful in anything but full, natural light.
tekhna said:
This camera doesn't focus properly. Period. I'll do side-by-side shots with my Rezound and iPhone. The GS3 camera is woeful in anything but full, natural light.
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I agree that the Rezound camera is better, I have three Rezounds & the camera is super (for a phone camera).
I really have not had any focusing issues with the G3 although I don't use it a whole lot because I usually have access to a real DC.
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My sister has the same issue on her Galaxy Nexus.
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That's another issue entirely, the Nexus is notorious for having an atrociously bad camera.
+1, I have noticed that a lot of my pics are coming out blurry, I thought it was maybe because the camera was sensative to the slightest twitch and that I was maybe moving it mid shot.
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+1, I have noticed that a lot of my pics are coming out blurry, I thought it was maybe because the camera was sensative to the slightest twitch and that I was maybe moving it mid shot.
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I think it is to some extent, turn on anti-shake, but that doesn't totally fix it. It's pretty frustrating that this phone seems like a step backwards in terms of camera.
skrypj said:
+1, I have noticed that a lot of my pics are coming out blurry, I thought it was maybe because the camera was sensative to the slightest twitch and that I was maybe moving it mid shot.
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That is why I posted what I did about CameraFX.
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/59294739/miui.camera.apk
This miui camera works pretty well just install the apk no changes to permission needed. It does not use the ffc so use stock app for that.
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That's another issue entirely, the Nexus is notorious for having an atrociously bad camera.
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I'm not talking about the camera quality, itself. I mean in the gallery, when you're looking through pictures you've already taken, the pictures are a bit blurry at first, but then clear up into the original (higher) resolution.
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@OP: Are you sure the camera is focused?
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I'm not talking about the camera quality, itself. I mean in the gallery, when you're looking through pictures you've already taken, the pictures are a bit blurry at first, but then clear up into the original (higher) resolution.
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Gotcha, you definitely have to wait a few seconds or all the images look awful.......
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I took some pictures today in my home office (have a floor lamp...decent lighting but not super bright) with both the GS3 and the Fascinate (GS1). The GS1 pictures are better. This is VERY disappointing
Taehee. said:
So let me get this straight:
While you're in camera mode, about to take a picture, and you pinch to zoom-in, the photo gets blurry?
Or are you talking about in the gallery when you pinch-to-zoom on a picture you've already taken?
If it's the former, I believe it's one of two things: 1) firmware issue, or 2) hardware issue. If it is indeed a hardware issue, you can probably get a replacement free of charge from Verizon.
If it's the latter, I think you just have to wait a few seconds for the phone to show you the high-res version instead of the low-quality blurry snapshot.
My sister has the same issue on her Galaxy Nexus. But I'm assuming that's not the case, since the blurriness usually goes away in a matter of seconds?
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It is the former. I tried camera 360 today and photos seemed ok. That app only alows 2x zoom. I was outdoors photographing dinosaurs in full sun. Perhaps i try another photo app, camera fx or something like that and see how it goes. Thank you for the reply. As I see I'm not the only one with this issue, I'm glad that we can discuss it and see what helps for us.
Camera Zoom FX as mentioned is a good alternative, for me I think the instant shutter makes it more blurry because you don't have any time to steady the camera after pressing the button. Camera Zoom has a slight lag. I would also try ProCapture, which I think does a better job than Camera Zoom but YMMV.
Camera sucks.. Period.. Pictures are horrible for an 8mp camera..
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Do we got anything on the M9? Maybe January release ?? Anybody know anything. Hoping for optics improvement,ois. HTC is always pretty tight lipped.
I myself hope they upgrade memory to 3 gigs. That and just a bit bigger screen would be cool too.
5.5inch display is the rumor.
Looks like I'll be getting the mini, LOL.
andybones said:
5.5inch display is the rumor.
Looks like I'll be getting the mini, LOL.
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Yeah I'm with you on that...I feel like anything past 5.2 is just to big.
The only 5.5" device I've heard about, is the HTC One Max Sport with 18mp ois camera.
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The only 5.5" device I've heard about, is the HTC One Max Sport with 18mp ois camera.
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as I said only a rumor, it's based off the fact that the M8 Prime was rumored to be 5.5inch.
I believe it will be in the range of 5.2-5.3 though
Focus on software improvements on the M8.
Everyone complains about the camera, but it's the best smartphone camera I've ever had and I had a iPhone 5S for a minute.
For me the screen is the perfect size.
The only thing I would want to see in a future phone is a bigger battery. If this thing had a bigger battery 2 days would be doable. As it is now the battery is amazing, but it could get better.
chowner said:
Focus on software improvements on the M8.
Everyone complains about the camera, but it's the best smartphone camera I've ever had and I had a iPhone 5S for a minute.
For me the screen is the perfect size.
The only thing I would want to see in a future phone is a bigger battery. If this thing had a bigger battery 2 days would be doable. As it is now the battery is amazing, but it could get better.
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I agree camera is good but until u zoom in even just 2x zoom quality goes to crap instantly! I say work on that,bigger battery, more ram, 805 chip, call it a day.
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I agree camera is good but until u zoom in even just 2x zoom quality goes to crap instantly! I say work on that,bigger battery, more ram, 805 chip, call it a day.
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You should never zoom on a cell phone camera. Just my thoughts. It's just a digital zoom and you always be better off to capturing everything the lens sees. Do your adjustments post
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Do we got anything on the M9? Maybe January release ?? Anybody know anything. Hoping for optics improvement,ois. HTC is always pretty tight lipped.
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Wow that would be amazing where you hear rumor on that. Interested for a Read . I they scrapped the Prime but I see it coming back into play with the release.
Still Hoping for January.
There is the M8 Eye, which is the same as the M8 but with a 13mp camera.
http://www.techtimes.com/articles/1...ing-new-high-end-13-megapixel-rear-camera.htm
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5.5inch display is the rumor.
Looks like I'll be getting the mini, LOL.
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Lol that's a good one. .
andybones said:
5.5inch display is the rumor.
Looks like I'll be getting the mini, LOL.
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If its 5.5 sign me up now just pack it with a 2.5 quad core & 3 gigs of memory. Would be nice if they could get the 8 core processor. I will have to look up the m9 rumors but its really to early to have any seriousness to them.
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There is the M8 Eye, which is the same as the M8 but with a 13mp camera.
http://www.techtimes.com/articles/1...ing-new-high-end-13-megapixel-rear-camera.htm
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Yea Been seeing this coming big Question I have is about Optical Image Stablization thats my biggest gripe. I love everything else but hoping HTC is working on IOS
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There is the M8 Eye, which is the same as the M8 but with a 13mp camera.
http://www.techtimes.com/articles/1...ing-new-high-end-13-megapixel-rear-camera.htm
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Wow how many M8 are there going to be? Next will be the "M8 Ram." Exactly the same as the original M8 but with 3mb of ram instead of 2 which is why we call it the M8 Ram, lol!!! Love to waste money HTC does.
Yes I hear ya put the new camera on the M9
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Wow how many M8 are there going to be? Next will be the "M8 Ram." Exactly the same as the original M8 but with 3mb of ram instead of 2 which is why we call it the M8 Ram, lol!!! Love to waste money HTC does.
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Dam our original m8's should have come with 3 gigs of memory instead of 2. I could really use 3 over 2.
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Yes I hear ya put the new camera on the M9
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I dont know what everyone is complaining about the camera for, I have had 6 m's, 2 at&t and 4 verizon and for me they have all taken good pics I have no complaints about the m8 camera. I think many just complaim because its a low pixel number but thats because its an ultra pixel and not a mega pixel. I think most complain about it just because of a lower pixel number and not about the actual performance of the standard m8's camera.
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Dam our original m8's should have come with 3 gigs of memory instead of 2. I could really use 3 over 2.
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I dont know what everyone is complaining about the camera for, I have had 6 m's, 2 at&t and 4 verizon and for me they have all taken good pics I have no complaints about the m8 camera. I think many just complaim because its a low pixel number but thats because its an ultra pixel and not a mega pixel. I think most complain about it just because of a lower pixel number and not about the actual performance of the standard m8's camera.
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My biggest problem is no optical image stabilization fix that and I'm happy
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My biggest problem is no optical image stabilization fix that and I'm happy
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Never had any issue I just take about 4 or 5 pics of the same and pick the best one, that has always worked for me.
I find this thread VERY depressing as I still have almost 3 years of payments on my current M8. <sigh>
FWIW, I've had an old Blackberry that took much better pics than the M8 (or my Samsung Galaxies but the best camera phone I had was actually a camera with a phone stuck on, a Samsung FlipShot! It was a fairly decent phone and a GREAT little portable camera.
http://www.cnet.com/products/samsung-sch-u900/
Of course, these are totally obsolete 3G phones but they DID take great pics, proving again the megapixels have very little to do with picture quality.
Your friends are never going to believe what you did. The only way to prove it to them is with that video you took. Rate this thread to express how videos shot on the Google Pixel 2 XL come out. A higher rating indicates that videos are smooth (and not choppy) and that auto-focus works very well, and that the camera adjusts quickly to different lighting conditions while recording.
Then, drop a comment if you have anything to add!
Am I the only one worried with video quality of the Pixel 2?
From what I'm seeing on YouTube the last couple of days, stabilization is GREAT but the actual quality is sadly just not good. Especially when panning, it's not as smooth as say the iPhones or Galaxy devices. Tons of artifacts and jitters.
Any chance these aspects can be improved later with software updates? :\
Have any of you read about the Secret Pixel Visual Core Processor that Google said it installed in both the Pixel 2 & XL 2 that they have not activated yet which incorporates HDR+ and machine learning algorithms that can be updated through future updates. It is supposed to be activated with the 8.1 Android update. Apparently it's a stand alone chip from the 835 Snapdragon that has it's own cores & ram dedicated to the camera. It's supposed to be 5 times faster than Qualcomm chip while only using 1/10 of the power. So basically it's supposed to take the camera to the next level while being even more energy efficient.... ? Sounds great to me, can't wait to see this in action!!!!
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Have any of you read about the Secret Pixel Visual Core Processor that Google said it installed in both the Pixel 2 & XL 2 that they have not activated yet which incorporates HDR+ and machine learning algorithms that can be updated through future updates. It is supposed to be activated with the 8.1 Android update. Apparently it's a stand alone chip from the 835 Snapdragon that has it's own cores & ram dedicated to the camera. It's supposed to be 5 times faster than Qualcomm chip while only using 1/10 of the power. So basically it's supposed to take the camera to the next level while being even more energy efficient.... ? Sounds great to me, can't wait to see this in action!!!!
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Yep it will be impressive.
Also we are able to take hdr+ pictures in 3rd party apps with the activated Pixel Visual Core SoC
Im really looking forward to get my device and the 8.1 Update haha
I am particularly interested in low-light videos of both devices and the audio quality. From a few samples i could check on YouTube i suspect problems with the noise suppression at least on the XL. Trying to assemble examples in this thread: https://www.reddit.com/r/GooglePixel...ght_and_audio/
Soo.. get your samples out to the world!
Another bad thing i am noticing is they audio quality when record video. Its noise cancelling makes audio quality horrible...
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recorded video audio quality To me at least the Pixels sound much better than the iphone
I got around to testing the 2 XL vs the original XL, and for the most part the 2 XL exceeded the original in every way. But the Dual IS, optical and electronic, really messed up when mounted to my car. The original one was buttery smooth.
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I got around to testing the 2 XL vs the original XL, and for the most part the 2 XL exceeded the original in every way. But the Dual IS, optical and electronic, really messed up when mounted to my car. The original one was buttery smooth.
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I thought the video recording quality wasn't as good as my original Pixel XL when I went into the Verizon store yesterday 10/21/17 but I noticed that when you have the 1080p video option on, when the camera app is launched, before pressing record you have to change the fps from 30 to 60 in the on-screen settings to the left of the video screen. When I did that it basically mirrored my original Pixel XL except the picture quality of the XL 2 is of course naturally better. I'm sure with the update it'll exceed all other competition.
My only question is can the note 8 camera be ported into the XL 2? Because I loved the zoom while viewing a recorded video feature, which neither the XL not XL 2 pixels have.
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I thought the video recording quality wasn't as good as my original Pixel XL when I went into the Verizon store yesterday 10/21/17 but I noticed that when you have the 1080p video option on, when the camera app is launched, before pressing record you have to change the fps from 30 to 60 in the on-screen settings to the left of the video screen. When I did that it basically mirrored my original Pixel XL except the picture quality of the XL 2 is of course naturally better. I'm sure with the update it'll exceed all other competition.
My only question is can the note 8 camera be ported into the XL 2? Because I loved the zoom while viewing a recorded video feature, which neither the XL not XL 2 pixels have.
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I'm sure there is some way to port it over. I'd be surprised if the app hasn't already been extracted.
Honestly, video means so much to me and so far, what I'm seeing on YouTube looks pretty bad. The stabilization looks promising, but the actual quality is poor. Very noisy, bad frame rate drops and jitters. Still photos might be class leading but video looks worse than my Oneplus 5 at the moment.
I hope they'll be able to improve it significantly
I mean.. just look at it. It's a shame that the Pixel 2 is doing so well in still images but video has been completely neglected. Okay, good stabilization and all, yes. But why have good stab with such quality? what for?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8gbqXSzVDMM
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Another bad thing i am noticing is they audio quality when record video. Its noise cancelling makes audio quality horrible...
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I noticed this too. Wasn't sure if it was my unit or in general, as I've not read any complaints. I posted (https://forum.xda-developers.com/pixel-2/help/strange-sound-feedback-video-recordings-t3693360) a vid I shot w/2XL and a vid from wife's iPhone.
I tested another unit in Verizon and same distortion was there. A replacement is coming, but I'm not optimistic.
My video quality is great
I am extremely happy with the video quality now. I recently made a video. Watch at 4k. Personally I think its pretty amazing for youtube. Hard to tell the difference between this and several thousand dollar 4k cameras. Audio on the other hand is ABSOLUTE garbage and I cant connect my external mic.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SNk1Blop2Sk
Here is a twilight shot
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ODRupXk8I5I
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ph0b0z said:
I am particularly interested in low-light videos of both devices and the audio quality. From a few samples i could check on YouTube i suspect problems with the noise suppression at least on the XL. Trying to assemble examples in this thread: https://www.reddit.com/r/GooglePixel...ght_and_audio/
Soo.. get your samples out to the world!
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here is my sample.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YodS07Naa40
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ODRupXk8I5I
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I am extremely happy with the video quality now. I recently made a video. Watch at 4k. Personally I think its pretty amazing for youtube. Hard to tell the difference between this and several thousand dollar 4k cameras. Audio on the other hand is ABSOLUTE garbage and I cant connect my external mic.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SNk1Blop2Sk
Here is a twilight shot
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ODRupXk8I5I
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here is my sample.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YodS07Naa40
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ODRupXk8I5I
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Yeh the video is great but your audio is not good. It sounds like too much noise cancelling.
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here is my sample.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YodS07Naa40
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ODRupXk8I5I
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Thanks a lot (already found one of those via youtube search ). The low light looks really good.. but the 2 XLs audio.. :/ Sizewise I'd only buy the 5" Pixel 2 anyway, but i still hope that this is fixable with a software update and not a problem with the microphones. LG is certrainly capable of good audio recording.
However, not to capture this thread or anything, but i am more certain every day, that this is only an issue with the 2 XL. I couldn't find many samples that are from the Pixel 2, but non of them have these audio issues:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxzV1PPFb-M
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ViiOlVpDLhs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f8XwDv73PJ8
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recorded video audio quality To me at least the Pixels sound much better than the iphone
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Oof.. don't you hear the hissing noises when he is talking and the weird bubbly noises in the 'suppressed' background noise? Sounds like he is under a glass bell sometimes..
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Oof.. don't you hear the hissing noises when he is talking and the weird bubbly noises in the 'suppressed' background noise? Sounds like he is under a glass bell sometimes..
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so it's a treble or mic issue that can be fixed through software update. Video looks amazing on P2XL from all the videos shown. Remember this is a video quality thread not an audio quality thread. And honestly I didn't hear it until you said something about it and I cranked my soundbar to hear it.
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so it's a treble or mic issue that can be fixed through software update. Video looks amazing on P2XL from all the videos shown. Remember this is a video quality thread not an audio quality thread. And honestly I didn't hear it until you said something about it and I cranked my soundbar to hear it.
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I agree although most video makers will say that audio is more important than actual video quality. Most people will turn off a beautiful video that has bad audio. I personally wouldnt care 2 cents about the audio quality if I could get my external mic working but I cant get any mic working on this phone. Itll only record with the internal mic which just suuuucks. The bass is completely missing and it amplifies high hissing and clanking sounds. Sorry I got off track there lol. The video quality really is the best I have seen in a phone. Not surprised it got the best video score on DXO mark. I plan to use this as my main camera when I make an overseas trip in a few months. This paired with a few moment lenses and a gimbal will make incredible cinematic video.
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Here is another test i did. I think it shows the difference in dynamic range and noise between the two phones. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GTh7Bi-0WiM&t=2s
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I noticed a lot of noise the first few days with the pixel 2 HOWEVER it seems like most of it has gone away. Ive never experienced that happening before. Its almost like the sensor needed to warm up or something IDK. Its seems to be rocking the low light now that I have had it for a week.
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I agree although most video makers will say that audio is more important than actual video quality. Most people will turn off a beautiful video that has bad audio. I personally wouldnt care 2 cents about the audio quality if I could get my external mic working but I cant get any mic working on this phone. Itll only record with the internal mic which just suuuucks. The bass is completely missing and it amplifies high hissing and clanking sounds. Sorry I got off track there lol. The video quality really is the best I have seen in a phone. Not surprised it got the best video score on DXO mark. I plan to use this as my main camera when I make an overseas trip in a few months. This paired with a few moment lenses and a gimbal will make incredible cinematic video.
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Here is another test i did. I think it shows the difference in dynamic range and noise between the two phones. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GTh7Bi-0WiM&t=2s
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I noticed a lot of noise the first few days with the pixel 2 HOWEVER it seems like most of it has gone away. Ive never experienced that happening before. Its almost like the sensor needed to warm up or something IDK. Its seems to be rocking the low light now that I have had it for a week.
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The more I think about it, maybe it has something to do with google assistant and it being able to hear you from across the room? Could it be software issue where google assistant shouldn't be able use that mic while in video mode? Just a thought.
The fact that pixel2 has no the audio issue worries me it can be 2 xl microphone issue. Both should run same sw.
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Is there really no stabilization in the 4k 60f recording mode? This video shows that it doesn't have it. Huge shame seeing as the Pixel 3a, cheaper and a more inferior chip could stabilise the footage using OIS.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjOVjnkrfaU
EDIT: It has been added in an update! Thanks to @Ascended1
I then found this video where it appears to be well stabilized. I'm confused. The footage looks incredible, actually. But i don't speak that European language. Is he trolling?
https://youtu.be/GDEpyumGnA8?t=77
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I then found this video where it appears to be well stabilized. I'm confused. The footage looks incredible, actually. But i don't speak that European language. Is he trolling?
https://youtu.be/GDEpyumGnA8?t=77
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I thought it was meant to have electronic image stabilisation but they couldn't fit Optical in the flip camera due to weight. Either way, the stabilisation on that video looks fairly impressive. More so though, if he is recording from the phone the clarity of the audio is extremely good.
EDIT: That video also lists EIS for 30fps and 60fps 4k recording.
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I thought it was meant to have electronic image stabilisation but they couldn't fit Optical in the flip camera due to weight. Either way, the stabilisation on that video looks fairly impressive. More so though, if he is recording from the phone the clarity of the audio is extremely good.
EDIT: That video also lists EIS for 30fps and 60fps 4k recording.
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So did he record that first part in 4k 60fps WITH stabilization? Because it looks VERY smooth, audio was excellent and picture very naturally crisp. If the answer is yes, how come the other dude from the UK, in the first clip couldn't enable EIS?
BTW, audio recording is superb as per the opening piece in this video:
When the portuguese guy starts running I was mesmerized by the stabilization...
They're using pre-production units, perhaps the phone that UK lad got wasn't as ready as the other one? Let's wait and see how the actual production phones work... Can't wait!!
Not every reviewer is appropriately technically skilled to be able mastered all functions of tested device. In many published videos and previews are missing important facts or even they contains factual errors. It's no wonder when they rush to publish among the first.
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I then found this video where it appears to be well stabilized. I'm confused. The footage looks incredible, actually. But i don't speak that European language. Is he trolling?
https://youtu.be/GDEpyumGnA8?t=77
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Switch on subtitles in your language.
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Yeah, like when Asus says the flip camera is tested for 100.K uses, but if one makes some maths, 28 selfies per day during 365 days = 10.22K and during 5 years = 51.1K, half of those 100K they're claiming... And every expert keeps giving the 100000 number without even checking it... :/
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Yeah, like when Asus says the flip camera is tested for 100.K uses, but if one makes some maths, 28 selfies per day during 365 days = 10.22K and during 5 years = 51.1K, half of those 100K they're claiming... And every expert keeps giving the 100000 number without even checking it... :/
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But this is probably correct, you are missing multiply by two, because camera is opening and closing, there are two moves for every cycle.
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BTW I have found very interesting ZF6 forum in Sweden: https://swedroid.se/forum/forums/zenfone-6-allmaent.587/
There is participating ASUS.Swerige lady which is very knowledgeable about ZF6 which she is daily using. She is answering every question here.
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But this is probably correct, you are missing multiply by two, because camera is opening and closing, there are two moves for every cycle.
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BTW I have found very interesting ZF6 forum in Sweden: https://swedroid.se/forum/forums/zenfone-6-allmaent.587/
There is participating ASUS.Swerige lady which is very knowledgeable about ZF6 which she is daily using. She is answering every question here.
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oooooooooh, SNAP!!! true that!! I did not realize that simple fact, thanks!
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But this is probably correct, you are missing multiply by two, because camera is opening and closing, there are two moves for every cycle.
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BTW I have found very interesting ZF6 forum in Sweden: https://swedroid.se/forum/forums/zenfone-6-allmaent.587/
There is participating ASUS.Swerige lady which is very knowledgeable about ZF6 which she is daily using. She is answering every question here.
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The problem with that (if true) is that it's misleading since if you open it you'd close it as well. Therefore advertising 100K isn't okay in my book. It's artificially pumping up the numbers.
Trixanity said:
The problem with that (if true) is that it's misleading since if you open it you'd close it as well. Therefore advertising 100K isn't okay in my book. It's artificially pumping up the numbers.
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They said that "big enough number" - 100 000 - and at the same time they said 28 selfies daily for 5 years. The rest is a simple math...
I think that it is fair to count opening and closing moves as independent operations, because they are performed with the opposite torque.
But I understand your remark, no doubt about it
It seems stabilization has been added in an update!
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They said that "big enough number" - 100 000 - and at the same time they said 28 selfies daily for 5 years. The rest is a simple math...
I think that it is fair to count opening and closing moves as independent operations, because they are performed with the opposite torque.
But I understand your remark, no doubt about it
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From an engineering perspective then it might make sense to view actuations as different based on direction but certainly not as marketing. You shouldn't market it as 100K when it's 50K uses for the customer.
Whether the math is simple doesn't really matter because we don't know the data or calculations Asus have used to come up with those numbers. It's decent speculation, sure. In fact it's most likely correct.
Either way if we assume you're correct, then Asus have messed up in the marketing. There is no way around it.
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From an engineering perspective then it might make sense to view actuations as different based on direction but certainly not as marketing. You shouldn't market it as 100K when it's 50K uses for the customer.
Whether the math is simple doesn't really matter because we don't know the data or calculations Asus have used to come up with those numbers. It's decent speculation, sure. In fact it's most likely correct.
Either way if we assume you're correct, then Asus have messed up in the marketing. There is no way around it.
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I'm probably going to get this phone. 50,000 real word uses (and I assume that is ideal conditions) seems like a pretty low number though. I hope 100,000 open+closes is the actual number. My LG G2 still gets use from a family member, so I could see it being an issue.
Either way, in real world it'll probably vary wildly between users and individual phones when it breaks (or not).
subhani said:
It seems stabilization has been added in an update!
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Chigz Tech Reviews additionally show us what SW version they tested in previous video and what updated SW version they tested in today's video.
So we can see that not all reviewers had their tested phones on the same SW version.
It is a pity that most reviewers doesn't bother to told us what SW version they tested, this is a pleasant exception.
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TheCookieButter said:
I'm probably going to get this phone.
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Me too
TheCookieButter said:
50,000 real word uses (and I assume that is ideal conditions) seems like a pretty low number though.
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Forget that number from their marketing department and just imagine what their engineers said: 28 selfies daily for 5 years.
For me that is pretty enough.
And do you know that even traditional DSLR Cameras have a shutter life? I know that it is something different mechanically, but it doesn't last forever too.
https://www.quora.com/Is-this-true-...-that-shutter-count-the-camera-become-useless
subhani said:
Is there really no stabilization in the 4k 60f recording mode? This video shows that it doesn't have it. Huge shame seeing as the Pixel 3a, cheaper and a more inferior chip could stabilise the footage using OIS.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjOVjnkrfaU
EDIT: It has been added in an update! Thanks to @Ascended1
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in this video, the photo comparison is a bit misleading
instead of auto 48mp, he (the youtuber) should use the 12MP with HDR+ or HDR++ to test with pixel 3a photo quality
sony imx 586 is known for producing soft images with less dynamic range in 48mp mode...it is best used in pixel-binned 12mp mode
as for video quality, stabilization looks good even at 4k60p...but the saturation is too much, i wonder Asus will give users the ability to fine-tune the sharpness/contrast/saturation or users need to use third party app such as filmic pro
Onepunchbro said:
in this video, the photo comparison is a bit misleading
instead of auto 48mp, he (the youtuber) should use the 12MP with HDR+ or HDR++ to test with pixel 3a photo quality
sony imx 586 is known for producing soft images with less dynamic range in 48mp mode...it is best used in pixel-binned 12mp mode
as for video quality, stabilization looks good even at 4k60p...but the saturation is too much, i wonder Asus will give users the ability to fine-tune the sharpness/contrast/saturation or users need to use third party app such as filmic pro
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Yeah, the stabilization at 4K60 is impressive.
Everything is too red though. Even faces appear red. It's odd that Asus didn't tune that. It's not that difficult to spot. People shouldn't look perpetually sunburned and I can't imagine anyone thinking it looks good as opposed to the overall saturated quality to both pictures and video which some people prefer for whatever reason. It's also strange that videos appear so different to pictures. You'd think they'd have similar tuning.
So Asus either need to give the option or just fix it. Any competent reviewer will mention how off the colors are.
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Everything is too red though. Even faces appear red. It's odd that Asus didn't tune that.
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Asus knows about it, but the fix isn't out yet.
This phone's main issue in my opinion is the camera and I've found a GCAM port that seems stable enough to take some good pictures with this camera, before it used to look like an oil painting, but now, seems better in my eyes, look at the pictures below, the TCL Cam you can't make out the texture of the headphones cushions, the GCAM you can... Now just need a Mod for the CPU, maybe turn it into a Snapdragon 865 kidding, to be honest the CPU is fast enough for day to day use, I don't game on phones.
TCL CAM:
https://photos.app.goo.gl/sAnHttPcq7moTS2W6
GCAM:
https://photos.app.goo.gl/iFTwH2iGY4mCEafG7
GCAM Download:
Direct download link for the version I'm using: https://f.celsoazevedo.com/file/cfiles/gcm1/MGC_7.3.020_Parrot043_V6.apk
Main thread: https://www.celsoazevedo.com/files/android/google-camera/dev-parrot043/
Thank you thank you thank you! Yes, the stock camera app takes some WEIRD looking photos! Got the latest version of GCam from your thread link, and after switching it out of the cool colour temp it had as a default setting for some reason, pictures look NORMAL, which is GREAT because I got this phone *for* the camera (macro lens specifically) - so I'd have been really pissed if I had to use one phone for macro pictures and one phone for all other pictures! Thanks!!
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Thank you thank you thank you! Yes, the stock camera app takes some WEIRD looking photos! Got the latest version of GCam from your thread link, and after switching it out of the cool colour temp it had as a default setting for some reason, pictures look NORMAL, which is GREAT because I got this phone *for* the camera (macro lens specifically) - so I'd have been really pissed if I had to use one phone for macro pictures and one phone for all other pictures! Thanks!!
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What settings did you change up get rid of the cool temp look?
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I grabbed the version:
https://www.celsoazevedo.com/files/android/google-camera/dev-urnyx05/
and it works with the wide angle lense.
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What settings did you change up get rid of the cool temp look?
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I swear there was a setting in there that had the word "cool" in it when I first set this up ... I can't find it for the life of me now though, so in trying to recreate my steps, I'm wondering if I maybe changed Auto White Balance in the quick settings menu from off to auto? Perhaps the thermometer made me think "Colour Temp"? That's the only thing I'm seeing that could possibly be it ... and doing a quick test, flipping it back to off, the pictures do look a lot 'cool'er, so I think that was it.
Thanks. I switched to the GCAM I linked and it doesn't seem to have the cool issue and let's me use the telephoto lens. I appreciate the quick answer.
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I grabbed the version:
https://www.celsoazevedo.com/files/android/google-camera/dev-urnyx05/
and it works with the wide angle lense.
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Hrm, just gave this a try (and the ARCore download from that same site, which I've installed but haven't tested yet - NO reason we shouldn't have epic AR on this phone though with all these cameras!) and I couldn't get the colour balance right. It let me use the wide lens when I enabled that in the settings yeah, as well as 4K video (not sure the other one did that), but if the pictures look like crap, having the wide lens isn't terribly useful
I don't know if it is, or makes a difference, but the default Auto white balance advanced setting in the OP's linked GCam is Pixel 4 XL - on this other one it defaults to 3 and doesn't have a 4 setting. Other than that I can't see any huge differences except some of the things that are exposed (like the 4K video setting and additional lenses)
Edit: Actually I think the lighting has changed since I did the first test shots a couple hours ago, because I just flipped *back* to the OP's GCam and my wood table doesn't look as warm, but my neon red joycons in the background are popping just as much as they were this morning.
Any update on a better gcam port?
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This phone's main issue in my opinion is the camera and I've found a GCAM port that seems stable enough to take some good pictures with this camera, before it used to look like an oil painting, but now, seems better in my eyes, look at the pictures below, the TCL Cam you can't make out the texture of the headphones cushions, the GCAM you can... Now just need a Mod for the CPU, maybe turn it into a Snapdragon 865 kidding, to be honest the CPU is fast enough for day to day use, I don't game on phones.
TCL CAM:
https://photos.app.goo.gl/sAnHttPcq7moTS2W6
GCAM:
https://photos.app.goo.gl/iFTwH2iGY4mCEafG7
GCAM Download:
Direct download link for the version I'm using: https://f.celsoazevedo.com/file/cfiles/gcm1/MGC_7.3.020_Parrot043_V6.apk
Main thread: https://www.celsoazevedo.com/files/android/google-camera/dev-parrot043/
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None of those links work. Main thread does. But the latest version doesn't work. It's just black screen then crashes
This works. Even th
robnhl said:
What settings did you change up get rid of the cool temp look?
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I grabbed the version:
https://www.celsoazevedo.com/files/android/google-camera/dev-urnyx05/
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This works. Even the latest one. But it doesn't have all the features as some of the others
(Version: PXv8.1_GCam-v1.2.apk (cstark27/Urnyx05, 2021-01-25) )
Note: the picture looks fine when taking photo and viewing within that app. But anywhere else, makes orange look like red
moslondon said:
Any update on a better gcam port?
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Any update