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Steadyshot not working in 4k?

Can anyone with the Z5 or Z5c check how well Steadyshot works with 1080p vs. 4k? I've been seeing Youtube videos where it does not look like it is working in 4k, even though the videos claim it is enabled. All the 1080p videos seem to be excellent however. So is this a pre-production unit problem, an actual problem, or maybe auto mode vs. manual mode bug?
Edit: Maybe it's just less effective than at 1080p?

Sorry to bother you folks, but I've found the answer (I think). The closed-loop actuator (i.e. hardware stabilizer) is used in Intelligent Active Mode, which supports up to 1080p (and not 4k - please correct me if I'm wrong). Guess 4k will only be really useful when not moving around a lot.

joe_dude said:
Sorry to bother you folks, but I've found the answer (I think). The closed-loop actuator (i.e. hardware stabilizer) is used in Intelligent Active Mode, which supports up to 1080p (and not 4k - please correct me if I'm wrong). Guess 4k will only be really useful when not moving around a lot.
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On Z3+, 1080p has two stabilization options (standard, intelligent active) & 4K has only one - standard. Sounds like it's the same deal on Z5, but I could be wrong.

schecter7 said:
On Z3+, 1080p has two stabilization options (standard, intelligent active) & 4K has only one - standard. Sounds like it's the same deal on Z5, but I could be wrong.
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I've seen a few Z5 4k vids now, along with some on other phones. Looks like 4k even with OIS is pretty much unusable for anything beyond hand jitter. All the videos I've seen are shaky as heck while walking (let alone running). I guess OIS was designed for photos, and not for absorbing shocks in videos.
So maybe use 4k when standing still or sitting down, and want to capture more detail (those huge files and battery drain!). But I think 1080p with Intelligent Active mode will be better in most situations, since it can handle more aggressive panning and movement (since that's what the closed-loop actuator was designed for).
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The Z serie (Z1-Z2-Z3-Z4-Z5,etc...) doesnt have an OIS. they have software image stabilizer.

warplane95 said:
The Z serie (Z1-Z2-Z3-Z4-Z5,etc...) doesnt have an OIS. they have software image stabilizer.
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Z5 uses a hardware-based closed-loop actuator, which is electronically controlled. So no, it is not OIS, but it's actually a more advanced hardware + software stabilizer (taken from the Sony Alpha). For video, it's far better than OIS. For pics, it's probably close, but I don't have enough info to really know. Took me quite a bit of digging to find out. It's not a "it's just software-based" solution. FYI, the actuator is used in Intelligent Active mode.
The Z3/Z3+ I'm pretty sure also uses an actuator, but it's "open-loop", which is less accurate (not sure about the other phones in the Z series). The closed-loop actuator is a real advancement - the Z5 is first phone to ever use such a system. It's too bad Sony doesn't know how to market it and explain why it's arguably most advanced smartphone available. Sigh. Meanwhile, the Samsung and Apple hype trains continue... choo choo!

@joe_dude , My understanding is that closed loop actuator based stabilization (what a jawbreaker! ) should work in both modes as it probably doesn't help much if they turn off gyroscope/actuator combo in 4K. But the DIS part will be weaker as the SW has to push the hw more in 4K. So it'd not be as effective as 1080p intelligent active stabilization.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5fEyi0oTvw4

joe_dude said:
I've seen a few Z5 4k vids now, along with some on other phones. Looks like 4k even with OIS is pretty much unusable for anything beyond hand jitter. All the videos I've seen are shaky as heck while walking (let alone running). I guess OIS was designed for photos, and not for absorbing shocks in videos.
So maybe use 4k when standing still or sitting down, and want to capture more detail (those huge files and battery drain!). But I think 1080p with Intelligent Active mode will be better in most situations, since it can handle more aggressive panning and movement (since that's what the closed-loop actuator was designed for).
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I've shoot many 4K with Z1c(4k mod) and S6, they don't have any problem when you walking very carefully. Yes, the 4K must be lag during at indoor/low-light bcoz it will need 4 times lighting in to satisfy the sensor and today's technology with such a small sensor doesn't reach the standard(the shutter speed lower than 1/30th), it will take a couple of years to improve.
With IA mode yet you have a fluid video but the price for the quality drop is very huge but that's the only solution if you try to avoid any movement or want to give running a try.
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joe_dude said:
Z5 uses a hardware-based closed-loop actuator, which is electronically controlled. So no, it is not OIS, but it's actually a more advanced hardware + software stabilizer (taken from the Sony Alpha). For video, it's far better than OIS. For pics, it's probably close, but I don't have enough info to really know. Took me quite a bit of digging to find out. It's not a "it's just software-based" solution. FYI, the actuator is used in Intelligent Active mode.
The Z3/Z3+ I'm pretty sure also uses an actuator, but it's "open-loop", which is less accurate (not sure about the other phones in the Z series). The closed-loop actuator is a real advancement - the Z5 is first phone to ever use such a system. It's too bad Sony doesn't know how to market it and explain why it's arguably most advanced smartphone available. Sigh. Meanwhile, the Samsung and Apple hype trains continue... choo choo!
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They took the focus tec from Sony Alpha and that closed-loop actuator isn't anything new, my old Sony DV recorder(Tape type) actually been used similar things ten years ago....
The OIS module on phone is too small and not enough to fix any large shaking during video recording. The ideal solution is to combine software and hardware OIS, relying sololy on software stabilization will hurt FOV and quality too much.

DXoMark Score of 83. Any thoughts?

https://www.dxomark.com/sony-xperia-xz-premium-first-sony-tested-with-our-new-protocols/
As expected, Sony's premium flagship gets an unimpressive score of 83 from DXoMark's revamped benchmarking (now including zoom, bokeh effect, artifacts, among other testing).
While i don't agree with the score per category (especially on having a low video stabilization score; seriously, Sony's 5-axis is arguably the best in video stabilization right now) but DXoMark does raise some good and valid points on what's wrong with Xperia phones. Hope Sony camera devs read the review as well so they know what to improve on (i.e. software algorithm on superior auto, noise and texture, lowlight performance, zoom in and bokeh effect).
Having said that, still one satisfied Xperia user here. The cons don't affect me that much; unless you're a person who's really nitpicking on every small detail, the Sony Xperia XZ Premium does a good job of being a solid performer in both photo and video capture.

Lawliet918 said:
https://www.dxomark.com/sony-xperia-xz-premium-first-sony-tested-with-our-new-protocols/
As expected, Sony's premium flagship gets an unimpressive score of 83 from DXoMark's revamped benchmarking (now including zoom, bokeh effect, artifacts, among other testing).
While i don't agree with the score per category (especially on having a low video stabilization score; seriously, Sony's 5-axis is arguably the best in video stabilization right now) but DXoMark does raise some good and valid points on what's wrong with Xperia phones. Hope Sony camera devs read the review as well so they know what to improve on (i.e. software algorithm on superior auto, noise and texture, lowlight performance, zoom in and bokeh effect).
Having said that, still one satisfied Xperia user here. The cons don't affect me that much; unless you're a person who's really nitpicking on every small detail, the Sony Xperia XZ Premium does a good job of being a solid performer in both photo and video capture.
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Sony no paid dxomark= dxmark trolling Sony.
Apple paid Dxomark= dxomark 96 points

Glad I don't use zoom on my XZP... Or I never even used it in my life. Truth is I cant expect from camera big as fingernail to catch photos like pro digital camera. Also every model with only one main camera will fail this test. Still I am happy with xzp camera for taking pictures, even the front camera is finally good for selfies.
https://flic.kr/s/aHsm4ZdMbV
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Also we should wait for xz1 review, maybe they did some update on img processing...
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smitrovic said:
Glad I don't use zoom on my XZP... Or I never even used it in my life.
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Yeah, I'm not sure why this is even part of the test. If there is no actual optical zoom, what are they really testing? I see people zoom in on their smartphone cameras all the time and I wonder what the point is. Just crop the photo later. You get a better picture, and the "zoom" is effectively the same.

It's really sad and bit disappointing. I think most of the stuff they were saying true.

Couldn't care less. I didn't buy this phone for it's camera

Come on Sony... 83
Come on Sony'
I bought the XZ Premium because I already own Sony cameras. Sony is obviously the leader in sensor technology and by teaming up with Zeiss there should be no questions about the hardware. So... That only leaves one thing. Software! Apple uses Sony Sensors. Samsung likewise. Even Huawei. So we know their sensors are no better, it must be the software. Please Sony, get off your arrogant asses and give us something that's competitive. I know this 83 could be brought up to 93 if you can just give us a new update and a little software support.

I guess that wont happen ever, because Sony needs to save digital camera market tho. If they made this camera use all potential, they wont sell any 200-400 euro digital cameras.
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The initial purporpose of dxomark is to diminish any phone that lacks a second lens for bokeh and zoom and from the other side to favor the phones that have it. So i cannot take this test into consideration because it lacks any professionalism and puts double standards.

I know people love slating DXoMark with remarks like "Sony no paid dxomark= dxmark trolling Sony." I also know that we can't say if that is true or not but to be honest we don't even need DXoMarks score. The camera is poor compared to 2017 flagships. Just take an objective look and test for yourself. The problem on this forum is that people are so blind sighted and such massive fanboys they can't step back and go wow yeah this is awful. I spend £649 on this phone sim free and I understand a lot of people have done the same and want to back up the purchase with claims like the above.
The point of the matter though is that Sony's whole marketing for this thing was the camera and weather you look at a DXoMark score or not, it is not up to scratch . Its low light performance is miles of the competition, the dynamic range is shockingly bad compared to phone like the Pixel, Galaxy S7 or iPhone 7 all of which where released last year. Not even looking at the quality of the photos there is also many other issues such as camera distortion etc.
I just wish Sony would acknowledge these issues and say "Hey we are working on it" but they don't. What i would also like is a camera 2 API so at least we can use another camera app.

jms.flynn said:
I know people love slating DXoMark with remarks like "Sony no paid dxomark= dxmark trolling Sony." I also know that we can't say if that is true or not but to be honest we don't even need DXoMarks score. The camera is poor compared to 2017 flagships. Just take an objective look and test for yourself. The problem on this forum is that people are so blind sighted and such massive fanboys they can't step back and go wow yeah this is awful. I spend £649 on this phone sim free and I understand a lot of people have done the same and want to back up the purchase with claims like the above.
The point of the matter though is that Sony's whole marketing for this thing was the camera and weather you look at a DXoMark score or not, it is not up to scratch . Its low light performance is miles of the competition, the dynamic range is shockingly bad compared to phone like the Pixel, Galaxy S7 or iPhone 7 all of which where released last year. Not even looking at the quality of the photos there is also many other issues such as camera distortion etc.
I just wish Sony would acknowledge these issues and say "Hey we are working on it" but they don't. What i would also like is a camera 2 API so at least we can use another camera app.
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Then go and pay 1200 pounds to get your iPhone X to shoot in auto mode, and let the people who know about photography to shoot better photos in manual mode with almost half the price.

jms.flynn said:
I know people love slating DXoMark with remarks like "Sony no paid dxomark= dxmark trolling Sony." I also know that we can't say if that is true or not but to be honest we don't even need DXoMarks score. The camera is poor compared to 2017 flagships. Just take an objective look and test for yourself. The problem on this forum is that people are so blind sighted and such massive fanboys they can't step back and go wow yeah this is awful. I spend £649 on this phone sim free and I understand a lot of people have done the same and want to back up the purchase with claims like the above.
The point of the matter though is that Sony's whole marketing for this thing was the camera and weather you look at a DXoMark score or not, it is not up to scratch . Its low light performance is miles of the competition, the dynamic range is shockingly bad compared to phone like the Pixel, Galaxy S7 or iPhone 7 all of which where released last year. Not even looking at the quality of the photos there is also many other issues such as camera distortion etc.
I just wish Sony would acknowledge these issues and say "Hey we are working on it" but they don't. What i would also like is a camera 2 API so at least we can use another camera app.
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You can use other camera apps, just not the free versions. If you can handle a couple of euros for Camera Zoom FX you will find that the camera is not as you describe it!!! By any chance have you unlocked your bootloader? I'm sure you know that currently there is no way to backup your TA partition wich means the loss of your DRM unique key which enables camera features, and more.
I've been an xperia fan for a long time and finally Sony are releasing sw updates more frequently and this handset will get Oreo once the sony team puts it together. This will transform this handset which has great HW, as all xperia handsets

Katsigaros said:
Then go and pay 1200 pounds to get your iPhone X to shoot in auto mode, and let the people who know about photography to shoot better photos in manual mode with almost half the price.
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Wasn't really my point was it. You can go buy a year old S7 or LG G6 and shoot in manual mode or in auto mode and smash the Sony out of the water.
And if you want a more stock android experience buy a Moto G5 Plus and that also beats the Sony.
The reason I know is because i have them. The way the sony was sold with improved lens, better low light due to bigger pixel size and hybrid auto focus this was supposed to be a beast of a camera. Which it isn't, not even close.
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WildBit said:
I've been an xperia fan for a long time and finally Sony are releasing sw updates more frequently and this handset will get Oreo once the sony team puts it together. This will transform this handset which has great HW, as all xperia handsets
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Lets hope so, I am a huge Sony fan and want them to succeeded. I've had all the xperia's since the z3 compact. I just want a camera experience which is as good as the rest of the software and hardware.

This new DXO formula is idiotic... It gives adventages to dualcam phones.
whats the point of doing bokkeh test if there is actually no bokkeh...It should be a feature, it should not affect the score, because many other phones have their own features which are not measured by DXO tests.
for example. XZP has no bokkeh, but it has wider lens, which is a big advantage for me, but there are no additional point for that in the test.
Beside that, DXO tests started to be incomparable.
Look at Iphone 8 review and XZP review. I8 review is 10x more complex - it contains way more tests than XZP review.
There are also inconsistencies like:
At the first paragraph, in the "Test Summary" section they wrote, quote:
"the XZ Premium features relatively strong autofocus performance for both photography and video, as well as very good stabilization for video."
But at the end, in the "Conclusion" section they wrote, quote:
"Video performance is also competent, but marred by problems with loss of detail and mediocre stabilization."
it is really pathetic and not professional.

jms.flynn said:
I know people love slating DXoMark with remarks like "Sony no paid dxomark= dxmark trolling Sony." I also know that we can't say if that is true or not but to be honest we don't even need DXoMarks score. The camera is poor compared to 2017 flagships. Just take an objective look and test for yourself. The problem on this forum is that people are so blind sighted and such massive fanboys they can't step back and go wow yeah this is awful. I spend £649 on this phone sim free and I understand a lot of people have done the same and want to back up the purchase with claims like the above.
The point of the matter though is that Sony's whole marketing for this thing was the camera and weather you look at a DXoMark score or not, it is not up to scratch . Its low light performance is miles of the competition, the dynamic range is shockingly bad compared to phone like the Pixel, Galaxy S7 or iPhone 7 all of which where released last year. Not even looking at the quality of the photos there is also many other issues such as camera distortion etc.
I just wish Sony would acknowledge these issues and say "Hey we are working on it" but they don't. What i would also like is a camera 2 API so at least we can use another camera app.
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Do you even know what is a good photograph?
You don't like the camera quality? Seriously?
I take night photos like never before. Low light photos that are fantastic, videos in slow motion at night that are perfect.
And you compare with s7 and iPhone?

gengi said:
Do you even know what is a good photograph?
You don't like the camera quality? Seriously?
I take night photos like never before. Low light photos that are fantastic, videos in slow motion at night that are perfect.
And you compare with s7 and iPhone?
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Ok, now I know you're seriously trolling. ha ha
Please show me one of your "videos in slow motion at night that are perfect".
The 960FPS is cool, if not gimmicky, but it only really works well in very very good light

jms.flynn said:
Ok, now I know you're seriously trolling. ha ha
Please show me one of your "videos in slow motion at night that are perfect".
The 960FPS is cool, if not gimmicky, but it only really works well in very very good light
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960 fps, at night and 500 meters (at least) apart, I would say it's very good.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B3HA5nmqdPh0SFFLVHpXRjBxRDA/view?usp=drivesdk

gengi said:
960 fps, at night and 500 meters (at least) apart, I would say it's very good.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B3HA5nmqdPh0SFFLVHpXRjBxRDA/view?usp=drivesdk
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I know in certain lighting conditions it causes alot of flicker. I thought at night it would flicker but it doesnt so thats really cool. Nice video by the way.
Its like alot of people say though, as soon as Samsung or Apple do something new everyone in the world is like wow look at this. Then Sony does it and everyone is quiet about it. Our device the XZ Premium is the first to have a 4K HDR screen and is also the only device alongside the XZS and XZ1 to record at 960fps. Nobody in the world understands how cool it is to have those two features in the palm of your hand. If Samsung or Apple did it then im sure they would understand. As soon as another company besides Apple or Samsung do something cool they get criticised by their 'big bezels' which shouldnt even matter when you take into consideration the features packed into the device.
The score given for our device, I dont think its fair. If you want something fair watch a YouTube video on a comparison or review of the camera, im sure they will be more on point and accurate.
I didnt buy the phone for its camera. If someone wants to say they have an iPhone 8 with a higher score than my XZ Premium they can but I believe the scores are biased and that the rest of their scores are one-sided.

Don't want to bag Sony down but I have compared the XZ Premium(company issued to me) against the Pixel (I own), Pixel 2 (wife owns) and hands down, it is definitely inferior than the Pixels... It takes crappy low light photos with lots of noise. It also struggles with photos where the background is brighter. Again, I think Sony's problem really is software, just like with most Sony phones I owned.
However, I'm not saying that it doesn't do decent photos, it does. I think 86 is too low. Personally, I'd rate it around 90-92.

chefnoob said:
Don't want to bag Sony down but I have compared the XZ Premium(company issued to me) against the Pixel (I own), Pixel 2 (wife owns) and hands down, it is definitely inferior than the Pixels... It takes crappy low light photos with lots of noise. It also struggles with photos where the background is brighter. Again, I think Sony's problem really is software, just like with most Sony phones I owned.
However, I'm not saying that it doesn't do decent photos, it does. I think 86 is too low. Personally, I'd rate it around 90-92.
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I think everyone knows already that the Pixel has a better camera.

Video quality

Your friends are never going to believe what you did. The only way to prove it to them is with that video you took. Rate this thread to express how videos shot on the Google Pixel 2 XL come out. A higher rating indicates that videos are smooth (and not choppy) and that auto-focus works very well, and that the camera adjusts quickly to different lighting conditions while recording.
Then, drop a comment if you have anything to add!

Am I the only one worried with video quality of the Pixel 2?
From what I'm seeing on YouTube the last couple of days, stabilization is GREAT but the actual quality is sadly just not good. Especially when panning, it's not as smooth as say the iPhones or Galaxy devices. Tons of artifacts and jitters.
Any chance these aspects can be improved later with software updates? :\

Have any of you read about the Secret Pixel Visual Core Processor that Google said it installed in both the Pixel 2 & XL 2 that they have not activated yet which incorporates HDR+ and machine learning algorithms that can be updated through future updates. It is supposed to be activated with the 8.1 Android update. Apparently it's a stand alone chip from the 835 Snapdragon that has it's own cores & ram dedicated to the camera. It's supposed to be 5 times faster than Qualcomm chip while only using 1/10 of the power. So basically it's supposed to take the camera to the next level while being even more energy efficient.... ? Sounds great to me, can't wait to see this in action!!!!

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Have any of you read about the Secret Pixel Visual Core Processor that Google said it installed in both the Pixel 2 & XL 2 that they have not activated yet which incorporates HDR+ and machine learning algorithms that can be updated through future updates. It is supposed to be activated with the 8.1 Android update. Apparently it's a stand alone chip from the 835 Snapdragon that has it's own cores & ram dedicated to the camera. It's supposed to be 5 times faster than Qualcomm chip while only using 1/10 of the power. So basically it's supposed to take the camera to the next level while being even more energy efficient.... ? Sounds great to me, can't wait to see this in action!!!!
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Yep it will be impressive.
Also we are able to take hdr+ pictures in 3rd party apps with the activated Pixel Visual Core SoC
Im really looking forward to get my device and the 8.1 Update haha

I am particularly interested in low-light videos of both devices and the audio quality. From a few samples i could check on YouTube i suspect problems with the noise suppression at least on the XL. Trying to assemble examples in this thread: https://www.reddit.com/r/GooglePixel...ght_and_audio/
Soo.. get your samples out to the world!

Another bad thing i am noticing is they audio quality when record video. Its noise cancelling makes audio quality horrible...
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recorded video audio quality To me at least the Pixels sound much better than the iphone

I got around to testing the 2 XL vs the original XL, and for the most part the 2 XL exceeded the original in every way. But the Dual IS, optical and electronic, really messed up when mounted to my car. The original one was buttery smooth.

Robert_W said:
I got around to testing the 2 XL vs the original XL, and for the most part the 2 XL exceeded the original in every way. But the Dual IS, optical and electronic, really messed up when mounted to my car. The original one was buttery smooth.
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I thought the video recording quality wasn't as good as my original Pixel XL when I went into the Verizon store yesterday 10/21/17 but I noticed that when you have the 1080p video option on, when the camera app is launched, before pressing record you have to change the fps from 30 to 60 in the on-screen settings to the left of the video screen. When I did that it basically mirrored my original Pixel XL except the picture quality of the XL 2 is of course naturally better. I'm sure with the update it'll exceed all other competition.
My only question is can the note 8 camera be ported into the XL 2? Because I loved the zoom while viewing a recorded video feature, which neither the XL not XL 2 pixels have.

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I thought the video recording quality wasn't as good as my original Pixel XL when I went into the Verizon store yesterday 10/21/17 but I noticed that when you have the 1080p video option on, when the camera app is launched, before pressing record you have to change the fps from 30 to 60 in the on-screen settings to the left of the video screen. When I did that it basically mirrored my original Pixel XL except the picture quality of the XL 2 is of course naturally better. I'm sure with the update it'll exceed all other competition.
My only question is can the note 8 camera be ported into the XL 2? Because I loved the zoom while viewing a recorded video feature, which neither the XL not XL 2 pixels have.
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I'm sure there is some way to port it over. I'd be surprised if the app hasn't already been extracted.

Honestly, video means so much to me and so far, what I'm seeing on YouTube looks pretty bad. The stabilization looks promising, but the actual quality is poor. Very noisy, bad frame rate drops and jitters. Still photos might be class leading but video looks worse than my Oneplus 5 at the moment.
I hope they'll be able to improve it significantly

I mean.. just look at it. It's a shame that the Pixel 2 is doing so well in still images but video has been completely neglected. Okay, good stabilization and all, yes. But why have good stab with such quality? what for?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8gbqXSzVDMM

jtwlbz said:
Another bad thing i am noticing is they audio quality when record video. Its noise cancelling makes audio quality horrible...
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I noticed this too. Wasn't sure if it was my unit or in general, as I've not read any complaints. I posted (https://forum.xda-developers.com/pixel-2/help/strange-sound-feedback-video-recordings-t3693360) a vid I shot w/2XL and a vid from wife's iPhone.
I tested another unit in Verizon and same distortion was there. A replacement is coming, but I'm not optimistic.

My video quality is great
I am extremely happy with the video quality now. I recently made a video. Watch at 4k. Personally I think its pretty amazing for youtube. Hard to tell the difference between this and several thousand dollar 4k cameras. Audio on the other hand is ABSOLUTE garbage and I cant connect my external mic.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SNk1Blop2Sk
Here is a twilight shot
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ODRupXk8I5I
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ph0b0z said:
I am particularly interested in low-light videos of both devices and the audio quality. From a few samples i could check on YouTube i suspect problems with the noise suppression at least on the XL. Trying to assemble examples in this thread: https://www.reddit.com/r/GooglePixel...ght_and_audio/
Soo.. get your samples out to the world!
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here is my sample.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YodS07Naa40
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ODRupXk8I5I

jrharvey said:
I am extremely happy with the video quality now. I recently made a video. Watch at 4k. Personally I think its pretty amazing for youtube. Hard to tell the difference between this and several thousand dollar 4k cameras. Audio on the other hand is ABSOLUTE garbage and I cant connect my external mic.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SNk1Blop2Sk
Here is a twilight shot
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ODRupXk8I5I
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here is my sample.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YodS07Naa40
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ODRupXk8I5I
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Yeh the video is great but your audio is not good. It sounds like too much noise cancelling.
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here is my sample.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YodS07Naa40
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ODRupXk8I5I
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Thanks a lot (already found one of those via youtube search ). The low light looks really good.. but the 2 XLs audio.. :/ Sizewise I'd only buy the 5" Pixel 2 anyway, but i still hope that this is fixable with a software update and not a problem with the microphones. LG is certrainly capable of good audio recording.
However, not to capture this thread or anything, but i am more certain every day, that this is only an issue with the 2 XL. I couldn't find many samples that are from the Pixel 2, but non of them have these audio issues:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxzV1PPFb-M
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ViiOlVpDLhs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f8XwDv73PJ8
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recorded video audio quality To me at least the Pixels sound much better than the iphone
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Oof.. don't you hear the hissing noises when he is talking and the weird bubbly noises in the 'suppressed' background noise? Sounds like he is under a glass bell sometimes..

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Oof.. don't you hear the hissing noises when he is talking and the weird bubbly noises in the 'suppressed' background noise? Sounds like he is under a glass bell sometimes..
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so it's a treble or mic issue that can be fixed through software update. Video looks amazing on P2XL from all the videos shown. Remember this is a video quality thread not an audio quality thread. And honestly I didn't hear it until you said something about it and I cranked my soundbar to hear it.

whyme45125 said:
so it's a treble or mic issue that can be fixed through software update. Video looks amazing on P2XL from all the videos shown. Remember this is a video quality thread not an audio quality thread. And honestly I didn't hear it until you said something about it and I cranked my soundbar to hear it.
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I agree although most video makers will say that audio is more important than actual video quality. Most people will turn off a beautiful video that has bad audio. I personally wouldnt care 2 cents about the audio quality if I could get my external mic working but I cant get any mic working on this phone. Itll only record with the internal mic which just suuuucks. The bass is completely missing and it amplifies high hissing and clanking sounds. Sorry I got off track there lol. The video quality really is the best I have seen in a phone. Not surprised it got the best video score on DXO mark. I plan to use this as my main camera when I make an overseas trip in a few months. This paired with a few moment lenses and a gimbal will make incredible cinematic video.
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Here is another test i did. I think it shows the difference in dynamic range and noise between the two phones. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GTh7Bi-0WiM&t=2s
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I noticed a lot of noise the first few days with the pixel 2 HOWEVER it seems like most of it has gone away. Ive never experienced that happening before. Its almost like the sensor needed to warm up or something IDK. Its seems to be rocking the low light now that I have had it for a week.

jrharvey said:
I agree although most video makers will say that audio is more important than actual video quality. Most people will turn off a beautiful video that has bad audio. I personally wouldnt care 2 cents about the audio quality if I could get my external mic working but I cant get any mic working on this phone. Itll only record with the internal mic which just suuuucks. The bass is completely missing and it amplifies high hissing and clanking sounds. Sorry I got off track there lol. The video quality really is the best I have seen in a phone. Not surprised it got the best video score on DXO mark. I plan to use this as my main camera when I make an overseas trip in a few months. This paired with a few moment lenses and a gimbal will make incredible cinematic video.
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Here is another test i did. I think it shows the difference in dynamic range and noise between the two phones. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GTh7Bi-0WiM&t=2s
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I noticed a lot of noise the first few days with the pixel 2 HOWEVER it seems like most of it has gone away. Ive never experienced that happening before. Its almost like the sensor needed to warm up or something IDK. Its seems to be rocking the low light now that I have had it for a week.
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The more I think about it, maybe it has something to do with google assistant and it being able to hear you from across the room? Could it be software issue where google assistant shouldn't be able use that mic while in video mode? Just a thought.

The fact that pixel2 has no the audio issue worries me it can be 2 xl microphone issue. Both should run same sw.
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Is Huawei making their AI stabilizing looking better than it is?

According to this article all the rear cameras has ois and not just one as Huawei informed us about. Are they trying to make their AI software looking better than it actually is? All other phone makers would have bragged about ois on all three cameras
https://www.theverge.com/circuitbre...pro-optical-image-stabilization-triple-camera

easycure1974 said:
According to this article all the rear cameras has ois and not just one as Huawei informed us about. Are they trying to make their AI software looking better than it actually is? All other phone makers would have bragged about ois on all three cameras
https://www.theverge.com/circuitbre...pro-optical-image-stabilization-triple-camera
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If that's true why is their 4k recording so shaky?

lawtq said:
If that's true why is their 4k recording so shaky?
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Yes is seems very strange - it will be interesting to read more about this

lawtq said:
If that's true why is their 4k recording so shaky?
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Hardware is useless, if the software haven't being configured to use it.
I hope huawei add the stabilisation to 4K mode soon

otonieru said:
Hardware is useless, if the software haven't being configured to use it.
I hope huawei add the stabilisation to 4K mode soon
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Why do you think they haven't already? Cause the 970 isn't capable. Hopefully they do though. This phone would be exciting if it wasn't for the old chipset! Sigh

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Why do you think they haven't already? Cause the 970 isn't capable. Hopefully they do though. This phone would be exciting if it wasn't for the old chipset! Sigh
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Well it's not really old, end of 2017. It's definitely powerful enough. Just not as powerful as Qualcoms latest on paper and in benchmarks. That's to be expected though. Even much older less powerful chips can handle 4k with ois.
There is nothing on android that can even push the SoC's from 3 years ago. The hardware is just way ahead of the software. It's all a race to get the best looking specs on paper now, regardless of whether it's actually needed or not.
In my own testing the P20 Pro is just as quick in pretty much anything other than benchmarks, which in real life usage mean nothing. Its all about the user experience. There isn't a game to push the latest hardware and won't be even towards the end of life of all these new gen devices.
Not sure why they didn't include it. The hardware is more than capable.

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Well it's not really old, end of 2017. It's definitely powerful enough. Just not as powerful as Qualcoms latest on paper and in benchmarks. That's to be expected though. Even much older less powerful chips can handle 4k with ois.
There is nothing on android that can even push the SoC's from 3 years ago. The hardware is just way ahead of the software. It's all a race to get the best looking specs on paper now, regardless of whether it's actually needed or not.
In my own testing the P20 Pro is just as quick in pretty much anything other than benchmarks, which in real life usage mean nothing. Its all about the user experience. There isn't a game to push the latest hardware and won't be even towards the end of life of all these new gen devices.
Not sure why they didn't include it. The hardware is more than capable.
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Good points! I hope you're right. 1080p ain't enough anymore

easycure1974 said:
According to this article all the rear cameras has ois and not just one as Huawei informed us about. Are they trying to make their AI software looking better than it actually is? All other phone makers would have bragged about ois on all three cameras
https://www.theverge.com/circuitbre...pro-optical-image-stabilization-triple-camera
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I really hope that they add the stabilisation to 4k videos because now is terrible... And videos shot in full HD look very poor quality...
If hardware is on board I don't want to be cheated by Huawei

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This is simply not true. 970 is almost as capable as 2017 exynos and snapdragon.
But honestly. I've been living around thousand people everyday, and i find, there's less than hundred of them would record video on daily basis,
And when they did, they either do it in 1080 or 720.
Why ? Because most of it would end in social media. And uploading something as huge as 4K simply wont do for most people,
Not to mention most of phone out there which used to watch the video later on are mostly still on full HD resolution as well.
I understand the argument from people who said they shoot it to be watch on their 4K TV. But they are not majority in the community.
Heck, i even can count with my finger, how many times i have recorded a video using my mobile phone from january last year up to today. LoL. Am simply a "still image" guy
Thats why,
As bad as missing 4K stabilisation in spec sheet, it wont have that as huge impact in daily life user.
But, surely thats bad for marketing communication. And reviewer will use it again and again as a weak point.

I shoot videos occasionally but only in 1080p regardless of which phone or camera I use.
It's just amateur video for my personal view not for commercial so no point to waste space.

Regarding there being nothing that even taxes older SoCs to their limits - anyone who does emulator gaming can tell you there certainly are use case scenarios that do. My Mate 10 handles a lot of emulation well enough, but the likes of Dolphin are better on better performing SoCs nevertheless (this is not all down to raw power though, how well drivers are implemented also makes a difference, however most mobile drivers are rubbish across the board, so the brute force of higher chip speeds is welcomed here).

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And when they did, they either do it in 1080 or 720.
Why ? Because most of it would end in social media. And uploading something as huge as 4K simply wont do for most people,
Not to mention most of phone out there which used to watch the video later on are mostly still on full HD resolution as well.
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Exactly this, most video is used for social media now, where it gets compressed to helll and viewed on tiny screens. There is no real need to push for 4K recording and those that really want it will probably buy dedicated recorders or a gimbal.
Btw the super slo-mo on this is good! Saw Diversity at the weekend, apologises for the shake at the start, daughter was bouncing up and down lol
https://twitter.com/DaveP2611/status/983071212984299521

@DaveP2611 quick question about the slow-mo, how do you actually setup the device for slow mo recording?
Is is similar to older Samsung devices where you record a video using the slow mo function and then select which part of the video to slow down and by what ammount?
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[/COLOR @DaveP2611 quick question about the slow-mo, how do you actually setup the device for slow mo recording?
Is is similar to older Samsung devices where you record a video using the slow mo function and then select which part of the video to slow down and by what ammount?

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@DaveP2611 quick question about the slow-mo, how do you actually setup the device for slow mo recording?
Is is similar to older Samsung devices where you record a video using the slow mo function and then select which part of the video to slow down and by what ammount?
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It's an option within the camera, under More, you then have a Slow-Mo option, under x4/x8 there doesn't seem to be any recording length limit, the x32 seems to be a snapshot of ten seconds and picks when it slows down itself as seen in the clip I posted.

Awesome, thanks for the quick reply!
Shame you can't pick out the section of the video you want to slow down at x32. It's one of the things I think my note 4 did well despite only having x8 slowmo capture.
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Awesome, thanks for the quick reply!
Shame you can't pick out the section of the video you want to slow down at x32. It's one of the things I think my note 4 did well despite only having x8 slowmo capture.

I really think that all the stabilization in pictures is done via OIS and they just claim it’s the magic of AI just to use that as a differential marketing advantage.Maybe AI is not so smart / cutting edge...

djmaxi said:
I really think that all the stabilization in pictures is done via OIS and they just claim it’s the magic of AI just to use that as a differential marketing advantage.Maybe AI is not so smart / cutting edge...
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Thats not really the case as well, since by using it to shoot, i can definitely tell that sometimes, there simply no OIS. OIS movement will always seen in preview prior to shoot. You can see it move the picture to the opposite direction of your hand movement. And when there's no feedback/counter movement, you can tell that no OIS in action.

delete me

justyourimage said:
Well, and an AI isn't an AI if it isn't intelligent.
That's marketing for you.
They simply named their Auto-Mode to AI-Powered because they managed to implement a few "new" things that don't work properly for what it was intended for (shooting good pictures from the hip).
I mean it's not like there were things like Dual Pixel AF and Laser AF were invented for no reason ... and they work most of the time (for what they were made for) unless the manufacturer ****s really up.
Now I can die happly. Especially knowing that they haven't even enabled OIS for the photos AND video.
I would have never guessed some manufacturer to **** up so badly ... let's see if they will ever "fix" or even "admit" it.
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It's more amazing you would jump to conclusion so easily.
https://www.anandtech.com/comments/12633/cadence-announces-tensilica-vision-q6-dsp/596655
Look in the comments section. Wait for the full review if you want to know all the technical details.
All that that tear-down showed is that the modules have an auto-focus mechanism. Just because the lens wobbles doesn't mean it's OIS.
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Just go to the shop and try it out and make up your own minds instead of following what people complain nonstop on the internet. The echo chamber is ridiculous. The 1080p video stabilization for example is amazing trying it in person, the most likely reason they aren't doing it on 4k is that the hardware is not capable of doing it.

I'm not sure the kirin 970's isp is powerful enough, or have the bandwidth, to stabilize 4k. I imagine it would be there if it was possible.
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Terrible focus of close objects (all zoom ranges)

Im not sure if it's me but objects at even 15cm take a long time to focus, and after that I can only get to about x4.6 magnification for use able images. Note: about 15 cm is the closest I can get on x1 magnification, anything closer the image looses focus.
Once the x5 lens kicks in you cannot even see what you are taking a photo of.
Is it just me? I've attached a couple of examples. x1, x4.6, x5.
Anything above x4.7 the focus length completely changes and everything gets blurry

hve you tried disabling the AI?

I did and it didn't seem to make much difference

PartheevP said:
Im not sure if it's me but objects at even 15cm take a long time to focus, and after that I can only get to about x4.6 magnification for use able images. Note: about 15 cm is the closest I can get on x1 magnification, anything closer the image looses focus.
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That's correct behavior. At present (firmware .121) there's no dedicated macro mode. There's some rumors about a macro mode coming with the next firmware updates - but you should take that with a grain of salt (don't rely on that).
My guess on the slow focus: This is caused by the low distance, too close for the fast laser autofocus to work, so the P40 Pro needs to rely on "traditional" autofocus taking some more time.
Once the x5 lens kicks in you cannot even see what you are taking a photo of.
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Of course, because everything over 5 x should (unfortunately that's not always the case) invoke the telephoto lens - and the name might suggest it's meant for telephotos, not for close-distance shots.
The telephoto lens just needs more distance to the object to focus.

Huawei are aware of the bug as we raised it with them.
If you zoom in 10x you can't focus on anything close up either.

Update 10.1.0.131 has really better close-up shots.

donpablo80 said:
Update 10.1.0.131 has really better close-up shots.
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Yeah .131 adds AI Mode "Close-Up" which really improves the macro mode. It's still not as good as the P30 Pro's Macro Mode because of the lens types but it's a vast improvement on what the P40 Pro was doing before the .131 update

AnthonyParryUK said:
Yeah .131 adds AI Mode "Close-Up" which really improves the macro mode. It's still not as good as the P30 Pro's Macro Mode because of the lens types but it's a vast improvement on what the P40 Pro was doing before the .131 update
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Wierd I have. 131 but I didn't see the close up ai function come up. Will try again. But you are right even compared to my p20 pro it isn't as close

No macro lens no macro pictures. Stop trying to do something the phone is not capable of. Use rhe 50mp ai focus with loads of light instead and boom you can zoom in with great detail

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Huawei are aware of the bug as we raised it with them.
If you zoom in 10x you can't focus on anything close up either.
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Ive got the p40 pro and ive tried taking a few shots at different zooms and im not really facing that issue i know curently theres no super macro embedded on this emui version but im confident itll come

tasked28m said:
No macro lens no macro pictures. Stop trying to do something the phone is not capable of. Use rhe 50mp ai focus with loads of light instead and boom you can zoom in with great detail
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Thank you very much for stating this.
Central problem is people being unaware of the way cameras work.
In another thread, there was someone complaining about "unfocused" picture parts - parts in the background and foreground, outside the depth of field.
OF COURSE that parts are out of focus - because they are out of focus.
Even after lengthy explanations he wasn't willing to change his mind.
If they ain't got any bokeh, they complain about the flat pics. If they got bokeh, they complain about the pics not being flat.
Similar here: I see users complaining about the laws of nature. I guess I'd spend most of my time studying online instructions on how to make letter bombs if I worked at Huawei's customer support.
Right in this thread: I explained the camera behaves just the way it should be, there is NO bug. Response: "Huawei are aware of the bug as we raised it with them. If you zoom in 10x you can't focus on anything close up either. "
So I really, really appreciate a solitary voice of reason.

Klosterbruder said:
Thank you very much for stating this.
Central problem is people being unaware of the way cameras work.
In another thread, there was someone complaining about "unfocused" picture parts - parts in the background and foreground, outside the depth of field.
OF COURSE that parts are out of focus - because they are out of focus.
Even after lengthy explanations he wasn't willing to change his mind.
If they ain't got any bokeh, they complain about the flat pics. If they got bokeh, they complain about the pics not being flat.
Similar here: I see users complaining about the laws of nature. I guess I'd spend most of my time studying online instructions on how to make letter bombs if I worked at Huawei's customer support.
Right in this thread: I explained the camera behaves just the way it should be, there is NO bug. Response: "Huawei are aware of the bug as we raised it with them. If you zoom in 10x you can't focus on anything close up either. "
So I really, really appreciate a solitary voice of reason.
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THis isnt really a complain about the cameras, i fully understand how they work for the most part. However the focal distance for this phone isnt very good. Clearly this is by design....i wanted to now if others have the same issue. As its a step down from the previous p series -> non-sensical when releasing new and better versions.

. 131 bring a closecup feature which immitates macro photography. With proper lighting you can get similar results with p30 pro.

Even after the update, the close up is terrible. My Samsung s9+ could take incredible close-up pics... I'm quite shocked at the lack of capability
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Puffin617 said:
Even after the update, the close up is terrible. My Samsung s9+ could take incredible close-up pics... I'm quite shocked at the lack of capability
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Could you tell me what's wrong with this unprocessed macro picture of a part of a 50 Euro banknote, taken this morning with my P40 Pro (still on firmware .121)? Anything terrible, shocking, incapable?
... one day later: "Still ruht der See." (peace everywhere) :laugh:

It's not even close and nothing focuses...
Firmware 131, btw

Dude if you have a focus problem it might be a faulty device nothing wrong with the rest of us

Mate no on here explains you right. They using pro mode for normal focus on a camera phone and no ones telling you. They are unbelievable ppl here only supporting a low software phone which cNt focus right on a normal distance with a simple tap. Every one here uses pro mode to get a subject completly focus.. And they happy for that

Don't you even listen to ppl here xda isn't so good any more as it was.. If focus was good huwaei will not try to fix it with updates
.. Also if P40 pro hasn't issues with sharpness huwaei will not try to fix it with updates... Here it is your next version update you w8ing for hope to fix all those problems with focus

Noexcusses said:
Mate no on here explains you right. They using pro mode for normal focus on a camera phone and no ones telling you.
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You know the Ten Commandments? - The ninth is "Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour", or short: You shall not lie!
I didn't use the "Pro mode" because I cannot manually focus as there are no focusing aids like focus peaking.
I used the PLAIN NORMAL PHOTO MODE for that 50 Euro picture, nothing else.
By the way: "Pro mode" wouldn't help at all because you cannot overcome the physical limitations of the lens just by using a different software mode.
They are unbelievable ppl here only supporting a low software phone which cNt focus right on a normal distance with a simple tap. Every one here uses pro mode to get a subject completly focus.. And they happy for that
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Stop telling nonsense!
TRY FOR YOURSELF if it's possible to better focus on close objects using the "Pro mode". Surprise! You'll find out that it's EXACTLY THE SAME minimum focus distance.
I expect your public feedback on this. And I expect you saying "Sorry, I was wrong."
Don't you even listen to ppl here xda isn't so good any more as it was.. If focus was good huwaei will not try to fix it with updates
.. Also if P40 pro hasn't issues with sharpness huwaei will not try to fix it with updates...
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Nonsense again. Huawei implemented that "AI macro mode" because clueless people like you, not willing to listing, not willing to accept the laws of physics, won't stop ranting about things they don't understand and don't know how to cope with. So Huawei tries to find solutions even for those who don't know how to handle a camera correctly. This is a courtesy, not an admittance of faults.
I am really, really fed up with your non-stop *****ing about things working perfectly well.
It's not the P40 Pro making it wrong, it's you.
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Puffin617: Use normal photo mode with 5 x zoom. Increase the distance to your subject until it's properly focused, make sure your hands don't shake. Don't even try manual focusing in Pro mode, it's close to impossible due to the lack of focusing aids like focus peaking. That's something Huawei indeed screwed.