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Comment I left for HTC regarding the boot loader

The Evita has been available for nearly 3 months now. Is AT&T going to allow sanctioned bootloader unlocking? Was there any indication that after a period of time, the phone would be unlock able via HTC Dev? I'm considering selling my One X and never buying an At&T subsidized phone again, You are trying to come across as development friendly, but alas your flagship device sold in the United States is not unlock able.
Please advise without a canned response about carrier restrictions. I know all about that answer, I'd like a straight yes or no on this question please.
Lets see what I get in response

knowing the good folks at HTC you'll get the carrier crap...
heres to hoping tho

here's an idea, which is always fun. play the carrier against the manufacturer.
when they say its the carrier, go to the carrier and ask them, when each other blames it on each other, show them that's what going on. they hate.

Back when the phone launched I,along with a few other people filed complaints against AT&T with the BBB they went nowhere.

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HTC is committed to listening to users and delivering customer satisfaction. Since announcing our commitment to unlockable bootloaders, HTC has worked to enable our customers to unlock the bootloader on more than 45 devices over the past six months. In some cases, however, restrictions prevent certain devices from participating in our bootloader unlocking program. Rest assured, HTC is committed to assisting developers in unlocking bootloaders for HTC devices and we'll continue to unlock additional devices in the future. I do apologize that I do not have any further information at this time. I hope you enjoy your weekend,Gunnyman
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gunnyman said:
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HTC is committed to listening to users and delivering customer satisfaction. Since announcing our commitment to unlockable bootloaders, HTC has worked to enable our customers to unlock the bootloader on more than 45 devices over the past six months. In some cases, however, restrictions prevent certain devices from participating in our bootloader unlocking program. Rest assured, HTC is committed to assisting developers in unlocking bootloaders for HTC devices and we'll continue to unlock additional devices in the future. I do apologize that I do not have any further information at this time. I hope you enjoy your weekend,Gunnyman
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So reply back saying that's the answer you didn't want and that you'll keep sending emails everyday until you get the truth.
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SkizzMcNizz said:
So reply back saying that's the answer you didn't want and that you'll keep sending emails everyday until you get the truth.
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Oh I did
I can per persistent as hell.
I just hate the thought of this awesome phone's dev community getting screwed without the benefit of even a reach around.
I'm in a very pissy mood today.

They just stop replying after about ten replays..HTC doesn't care about customer post purchase,you already bought the phone....
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I will say thanks for taking the plunge first ....I know I'm better off because of it ....
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mounttimp said:
They just stop replying after about ten replays..HTC doesn't care about customer post purchase,you already bought the phone....
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The a$$holes quit responding to me as well... I feel you gunny. I'm a lil worried about all this WP added everywhere .. they are sealing all our holes..
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SkizzMcNizz said:
So reply back saying that's the answer you didn't want and that you'll keep sending emails everyday until you get the truth.
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That is the truth. It's AT&T's fault. Start emailing them.
When I first got my phone and they gave me the generic customer satisfaction text I left negative feedback. If you leave below a certain score they will ask you why you wouldn't recommend the phone. I mentioned the bootloader and bloatware, as well as lack of Wallet support.

Don't bother contacting AT&T. If it truly is AT&T forcing HTC to keep the bootloader locked then the sad reality is those of us that like to tinker are an extremely small minority in their portfolio. AT&T couldn't care less about appeasing us and, from a business standpoint, I don't blame them. Us tinkerers are the ones that install the Asian ROM and create a portable hotspot for an 8 hour drive down the state so their kids can stream Netflix on the iPad in the backseat, soaking up precious bandwidth that AT&T would like to charge me a boatload for. Totally random example, wasn't me last week.

ComposMentis said:
Don't bother contacting AT&T. If it truly is AT&T forcing HTC to keep the bootloader locked then the sad reality is those of us that like to tinker are an extremely small minority in their portfolio. AT&T couldn't care less about appeasing us and, from a business standpoint, I don't blame them. Us tinkerers are the ones that install the Asian ROM and create a portable hotspot for an 8 hour drive down the state so their kids can stream Netflix on the iPad in the backseat, soaking up precious bandwidth that AT&T would like to charge me a boatload for. Totally random example, wasn't me last week.
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There may be more of us than you think. AT&T is about to give up on the added tethering plans for certain users. The new shared data family plans include tethering. You just pick your data cap and go.
Even though I've got grandfathered unlimited data, I may go for this when it's available. Adding up data totals for the three smartphones I'm paying for, we'll still save some money and get "free" tethering.

I feel the exact same way Gunny. My Nexus One was my first smart phone, and obviously, my first HTC. I had such a good experience, I went straight back to HTC for my next phone (this one) but it's clear now that the Nexus One was an anomaly in HTC's history. I'm thinking its going to be Nexus or Samsung devices only for me from now on. Not sure how much longer I can hold out with this device. If the damn camera wasn't so awesome I would have sold it months ago. =(
Billy

HTC can't do anything, it's not their fault. You should be contacting AT&T, not HTC.

im new to this phone so sorry if this is a noob question, but i rooted my phone and im assuming i unlocked the bootloader as im running cleanrom, to me the process was fairly easy to do, so whats the reason behind needing HTC to officially support unlocked bootloaders? will it give us the ability to do something more or make it easier to unlock?

blessedswine said:
im new to this phone so sorry if this is a noob question, but i rooted my phone and im assuming i unlocked the bootloader as im running cleanrom, to me the process was fairly easy to do, so whats the reason behind needing HTC to officially support unlocked bootloaders? will it give us the ability to do something more or make it easier to unlock?
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I have no idea. Either way it does affect yor warranty, so I'm not sure why others dont use the CID mod to unlock.

We need a sanctioned method to unlock because the method we have now is not going to work on 2.2.0 and we should not have to scramble like iphone jailbreakers on supposedly open android whenever there's a software update

gunnyman said:
We need a sanctioned method to unlock because the method we have now is not going to work on 2.2.0 and we should not have to scramble like iphone jailbreakers on supposedly open android whenever there's a software update
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The One X is Android? It's so locked down, I could have sworn it was made by Apple.

SkizzMcNizz said:
The One X is Android? It's so locked down, I could have sworn it was made by Apple.
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Exactly

Talked to my att rep

I sell phones att verizon tmobile etc etc not going to say where.
She's normally pretty good about details on phones plans etc etc. She noticed night had a HOX and asked if my bootloader was unlocked. I said yes and why would you basket me that. She smiles and says there has been lots of calls and emails from people complaining about the locked bootloader. I'm told her yes its cost me lots of sales from people that like to mod. She smiles and says
"just hang on something is coming" I ask what. She says it has to do with the HOX and the bootloader.
The it for what it's worth just thought I'd share it
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CheesyNutz said:
I sell phones att verizon tmobile etc etc not going to say where.
She's normally pretty good about details on phones plans etc etc. She noticed night had a HOX and asked if my bootloader was unlocked. I said yes and why would you basket me that. She smiles and says there has been lots of calls and emails from people complaining about the locked bootloader. I'm told her yes its cost me lots of sales from people that like to mod. She smiles and says
"just hang on something is coming" I ask what. She says it has to do with the HOX and the bootloader.
The it for what it's worth just thought I'd share it
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Sure hope your right so everyone can enjoy the total experience of the one x.
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This is encouraging. The vp I spoke to didn't know what a bootloader was.

Hopefully she heard this from an official source and isn't speculating. But this is a little reassuring.
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CheesyNutz said:
"just hang on something is coming"
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Maybe I'm jaded, and but I'm more likely that something will come from the community before it will come from at&t.

CheesyNutz said:
I sell phones att verizon tmobile etc etc not going to say where.
She's normally pretty good about details on phones plans etc etc. She noticed night had a HOX and asked if my bootloader was unlocked. I said yes and why would you basket me that. She smiles and says there has been lots of calls and emails from people complaining about the locked bootloader. I'm told her yes its cost me lots of sales from people that like to mod. She smiles and says
"just hang on something is coming" I ask what. She says it has to do with the HOX and the bootloader.
The it for what it's worth just thought I'd share it
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Is she hot? Single?
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I hope this is legit. I called AT&T regarding this yesterday and everyone I talked too had no clue what I was talking about and all of them think I want to unlock my phone to use on other carriers. I tried explaining I am talking about software development and if I wanted a phone for other carriers I would have bought the unlocked international version and assured them that I wont be leaving AT&T (10+ years with them) and all I get is, "Well we can unlock your phone today if you pay the contract fee of $325...." sigh.

samiam0295 said:
I hope this is legit. I called AT&T regarding this yesterday and everyone I talked too had no clue what I was talking about and all of them think I want to unlock my phone to use on other carriers. I tried explaining I am talking about software development and if I wanted a phone for other carriers I would have bought the unlocked international version and assured them that I wont be leaving AT&T (10+ years with them) and all I get is, "Well we can unlock your phone today if you pay the contract fee of $325...." sigh.
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Most reps on phone are reading from a script.

yes i was pretty shocked that she new what a bootloader was lol. she pulled out her NOTE and was running CM10 . she said she knows a thing or 2 about bootloaders and roms lol

Do you sell phones for cheap ?;
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Perhaps a psycholigical move to get you to pass on motivation to potential customers. Increase sales. Hopefully im wrong but a lot of people in higher up positions had their tricks to earn them that spot
Real good info tho! This would be phenominal if at&t gave htc permission to unlock THEIR bootloaders

sanchitgrover said:
Do you sell phones for cheap ?;
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no, phones sales is how i pay my house payment

CheesyNutz said:
no phones sales is how i pay my house payment
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Your honesty is awesome! Its a good thing your in phone sales and not car sales

18th.abn said:
Your honesty is awesome! Its a good thing your in phone sales and not car sales
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lol truth

gunnyman said:
This is encouraging. The vp I spoke to didn't know what a bootloader was.
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That sounds about right
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I emailed HTC asking about the bootloader, and received this reply:
I understand that you are upset about not being able to unlock the bootloader on your device.
As is stated on the developer website:
“HTC is committed to assisting customers in unlocking bootloaders for HTC devices. However, certain models may not be unlockable due to operator (carrier) restrictions. We continue to work with our partners on this, check back often for ongoing updates about unlockable devices.”
I’m sorry, but this is outside of our control.
Connie Sullivan
Customer Service Specialist
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I used one of the executive emails that was posted in another thread. It would seem that we are not going to get anything.

Epos7 said:
I emailed HTC asking about the bootloader, and received this reply:
I used one of the executive emails that was posted in another thread. It would seem that we are not going to get anything.
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The executive replied?

Epos7 said:
I emailed HTC asking about the bootloader, and received this reply:
I used one of the executive emails that was posted in another thread. It would seem that we are not going to get anything.
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I ran into roughly the same thing with AT&T and the Skyrocket. AT&T/Samsung wouldn't give out unlock codes, kernel source, do anything for the dev community until the initial exclusivity period was over. Afterwards it was business as normal.
I'd imagine that the HOX is going to be the same. Once something "else" comes out, and the HOX isn't "one of the phones to have", they'll loosen the restrictions and will let us do what we want.
The Galaxy S3 is a bit different. It's not really "exclusive" to any carrier in the sense the Skyrocket was, so they probably had to change tactics a bit.

I also work for att. I haven't heard officially about the boot loader being unlocked, but the htc rep was in the store the other day dropping off signs for our HOX display and when I asked about it he said from what he has heard from people above him something was in the works to be able to unlock it, but he also stated nothing is official at this point.
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Yeah, that's what our HTC rep said, as well. Nothing official or solid, just rumblings from within the higher-ups at HTC.

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I have one HTC Desire S, already s-OFF.
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prootc1 said:
Hello,
I have one HTC Desire S, already s-OFF.
Now i´m searching for SIM unlock, but i see too much stuff that i´m confused...
I need to know what thread i can get unlock sim...
Regards
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SimonTS said:
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i need to pay for it?

Yes

aarlene said:
Hi,
You can unlock your HTC Desire s using unlock code. Contact your service provider and get the unlock code from them, if it's not possible, then get it from online sites. ... is where i unlocked my phone, Check it out!! Hope this helps you!!
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Reported. Stop peddling your commercial links here.

Despite the commercial link, it was a good advice to ask the carrier for unlock code. In France, for example, you can get it for free thanks a recent law.
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I really wonder how many Desire S users have unlocked their phone and by which method. As a tech-savvy user I "discard" my phone after the contract because it's dated (it's quite a horrible thing, I know) so I propably won't.

afraca said:
I really wonder how many Desire S users have unlocked their phone and by which method. As a tech-savvy user I "discard" my phone after the contract because it's dated (it's quite a horrible thing, I know) so I propably won't.
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That's just mad nowadays. With 'normal' phones then maybe, but if you look after a phone like a DS then it will still be worth between $150-200 at the end of two years.

I completely agree. I chose an Android phone just because I hoped that I could get community support after two years.
Moreover, our phones are basically computers now. And I don't change my computer every two years thanks to GNU/Linux
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Well, discarding isn't the right word. I either upgrade my pc or sell it and buy a new one after every two year or so, but as phones are not as modular there isn't really any other thing I can do except sell it and get a new one after two years. If it were possible to get a new monitor for my desire S I'd be more than happy to
edit: besides, a rectangular area of about 10% of my touchscreen is broken. I can only manage with that for so long

Sign this petition for legal phone unlocking

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https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/make-unlocking-cell-phones-legal/1g9KhZG7
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Yeah I heard about this awhile ago, really sucks. I live in Canada though >

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Is this still needed?

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The Whitehouse has already responded in favor of this petition, you don't need to keep signing it.
The White House agrees with the 114,000+ of you who believe that consumers should be able to unlock their cell phones without risking criminal or other penalties.
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i read their responsive but they never said yes or no if they are making it legal or not
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I heard there is a bill which is being passed by white house soon, relating to legalizing phone unlocking it says that every customer has rights to unlock his/her phone.

This is also badly needed for windowsrt with restricted boot.

Huge need for making thus procedure legal.
This will be very helpful for many developers and for those who try to use new custom ROMS too!

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If I am Canadian, am I even allowed to sign this?

Uuuugghhh !!!!!!

Iam so sick of samsung and/or carriers locking our phones down. I was going to buy a GN3, and now think I might just keep my POS rooted but NO RECOVERY !!!! ATT GS4. If its this bad with the gs4 imagine how difficult the GN3 is going to be. Had to vent.

joewspot said:
Iam so sick of samsung and/or carriers locking our phones down. I was going to buy a GN3, and now think I might just keep my POS rooted but NO RECOVERY !!!! ATT GS4. If its this bad with the gs4 imagine how difficult the GN3 is going to be. Had to vent.
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You could always try to grab a T-Mobile or Sprint variant since they will most likely be unlocked, but yea sad to say as much as I want a Note 3 now, it's going to be locked and locked down hard :/

I've been thinking about just give n the difference I should have paid for my phone to the bounty for bootloader unlock. I paid 200$ so I was thinking of put n 300$ in on the bounty .maybe if everybody did this it might help.
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As the world turns.
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joewspot said:
Iam so sick of samsung and/or carriers locking our phones down. I was going to buy a GN3, and now think I might just keep my POS rooted but NO RECOVERY !!!! ATT GS4. If its this bad with the gs4 imagine how difficult the GN3 is going to be. Had to vent.
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What I did was buy a Sim unlocked device from a carrier who's boot loader can be broken and just transfer it to your personal carrier
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This is why Google releases Nexus devices. Technically most carrier devices aren't even meant for development unless noted. Development phones are provided with unlocked or unlockable bootloaders. They are under absolutely no obligation to provide you such feature with a non-development device. Quit your whining child.

Here is a possible solution...chat with an att rep, tell them that ur going abroad and need it unlocked..they will most likely provide it for you..unlock it and sell it to get about 500$ ish.. Buy a i9500 or something online like eBay and be set..
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chaosclarity said:
This is why Google releases Nexus devices. Technically most carrier devices aren't even meant for development unless noted. Development phones are provided with unlocked or unlockable bootloaders. They are under absolutely no obligation to provide you such feature with a non-development device. Quit your whining child.
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If someone pays $500-$600 for a phone, they should be able to do with it as they wish. AT&T should just warn the buyer that bricked phones will not be warrantied and leave the bootloader as it was. But they chose to push an OTA update, with a locked bootloader, to our phones. That was a real B***h move on their part.

gj23 said:
If someone pays $500-$600 for a phone, they should be able to do with it as they wish. AT&T should just warn the buyer that bricked phones will not be warrantied and leave the bootloader as it was. But they chose to push an OTA update, with a locked bootloader, to our phones. That was a real B***h move on their part.
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No one said he couldn't unlock the bootloader - everything is crack-able. Just because it's locked doesn't mean he can't unlock it, in theory. He just needs the brains to do so.
That's like buying a new car and saying, "uggh wtf! The turbo should be running 30psi, not 10!!"... you pay some money to a tuner, and bam.. it's faster now. Same goes with a locked phone - there are devs out there that can do this - I'm sure for the right price they'll put in the work and unlock it.
Effing people expect life to be served on a silver platter to them and on top it, to be free. Grow up!

Oh look, another one of these threads...
Here is the reason why they do this.
They want government contracts. The government 'DoD' specifically is choosing Android over iOS because iOS more closed down than Android even with locked bootloaders. They have to show really good security. Making something this hard to break shows that security.
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chaosclarity said:
This is why Google releases Nexus devices. Technically most carrier devices aren't even meant for development unless noted. Development phones are provided with unlocked or unlockable bootloaders. They are under absolutely no obligation to provide you such feature with a non-development device. Quit your whining child.
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Well someone here doesn't understand what the Open Handset Alliance / Android was all about and feels like they are holier than thou
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MavereXx said:
Well someone here doesn't understand what the Open Handset Alliance / Android was all about and feels like they are holier than thou
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Ok, whatever. I don't care.

I guess you havent done your research before opening your ignorant mouth.....some of the best developers have spent countless hours on this bootloader and have stated that without a leak or Samsung tool, its not going to happen. So, I guess it would be like buying a car and without the permission from the auto maker, you couldnt do anything to that car.....idiot!
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gj23 said:
I guess you havent done your research before opening your ignorant mouth.....some of the best developers have spent countless hours on this bootloader and have stated that without a leak or Samsung tool, its not going to happen. So, I guess it would be like buying a car and without the permission from the auto maker, you couldnt do anything to that car.....idiot!
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Please refrain from name calling.
Now, AT&T owns the bootloaders. They are not open source. They make Google implement them on our devices because they are Google's client/customer. Google has to abide by what their clients want or they will lose that client. Since the bootloaders are not open source, AT&T is not obligated by any means be it themselves or through Google to unlock or provide a way to unlock the bootloaders. Furthermore, AT&T can afford to lose the few customers that care about bootloaders being unlocked or unlockable because what they lose in public customer revenue, they will more than make up for in private government contracts. They know this and have compensated for it.
Should they handle it differently? Yes. But they will not lose much of anything if they keep it as is.
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The developers on XDA arena amazing and almost always find a solution. I wouldn't worry about having it customizable. I'm thinking of a note 3 myself but the convenience of recording is too good to give up for now. I love not having to write things down and at the press of one button be able to get the information
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