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http://www.engadget.com/2011/02/25/htc-thunderbolt-said-to-have-terrible-battery-life-might-explai/
Apparently a few sources that "are familiar with these things" have said the reason for the delays (the reason the release date has been pushed back) is because horrible battery issues and signal problems. Most likely interconnected (much like the Evo at launch). Apparently (it's in the article) people that are using the internet connection at all are draining their batteries from full to dead in only 2-3 hours.
The update says the release date has actually been pushed back 6 times already because of this issue. That means the phone probably would have launched in late December or January if it were working the way it was intended.
Lies, the phone is shipped out already. There is no delay
Just was originally going to be released in march
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I've mentioned before that it was a huge battery hog, but it's nothing that was described by those sources "in the know." It went gold in early January.
superchilpil said:
Lies, the phone is shipped out already. There is no delay
Just was originally going to be released in march
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Yeah you sure? I have $20 that your source is just as reliable and workign on conjecture just like everyone else out there right now.
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The phones are locked in a cage under the counter at my local Best Buy. I watched the manager open the cage to count how many were set aside for preorders so he could tell me how many are up for sale as soon as the ball drops.
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Yep.
The local Best Buy manager let me look at a box, although I was not allowed to open it and play wth the phone. He said he has no idea when he can sell them, but he has them. A couple of dozen is what I saw.
I saw them Monday or Tuesday. So they could have gone on sale this week it seems.
That said, Engadget mentioned a new firmware may be coming, as a day 1 patch or what? Would the sales people have to do the update before letting customers walk out with it? Supposedly to fix a radio/battery issue.
Its always "People familiar with the matter" how about those people grow a pair and come out on the record, simple because its easier to spread rumor than go on record without proof.
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Its always "People familiar with the matter" how about those people grow a pair and come out on the record, simple because its easier to spread rumor than go on record without proof.
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Can't speak for everyone, but that's not happening when you are under an NDA. The companies actually strategically leak out info themselves, so why the **** am I signing this again? Regardless, I've witnessed people getting into serious trouble with their jobs, just so they could be another internet sensation. This is why I'm amazed when BMX, and other "insiders" are publicly known for it, yet still have their jobs.
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Can't speak for everyone, but that's not happening when you are under an NDA. The companies actually strategically leak out info themselves, so why the **** am I signing this again? Regardless, I've witnessed people getting into serious trouble with their jobs, just so they could be another internet sensation. This is why I'm amazed when BMX, and other "insiders" are publicly known for it, yet still have their jobs.
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I guess you haven't heard of astroturfing? Just because they claim to be insiders and "leaks" doesn't mean the company doesn't secretly condone or support it. What better way to get easy publicity than to have an employee claim to be acting on their own releasing rumors or "inside information" instead of a stuffy corporate press release.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astroturfing
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Yep.
The local Best Buy manager let me look at a box, although I was not allowed to open it and play wth the phone. He said he has no idea when he can sell them, but he has them. A couple of dozen is what I saw.
I saw them Monday or Tuesday. So they could have gone on sale this week it seems.
That said, Engadget mentioned a new firmware may be coming, as a day 1 patch or what? Would the sales people have to do the update before letting customers walk out with it? Supposedly to fix a radio/battery issue.
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So, I work at a BB. Neither my store nor any other of the 15 or so stores in our district has these things in stock yet. This isn't the first I've seen of people saying that stores are sitting on them, but knowing for a fact that a good chunk of stores really DON'T have them has me wondering about the legitimacy of people claiming to have seen them...
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So, I work at a BB. Neither my store nor any other of the 15 or so stores in our district has these things in stock yet. This isn't the first I've seen of people saying that stores are sitting on them, but knowing for a fact that a good chunk of stores really DON'T have them has me wondering about the legitimacy of people claiming to have seen them...
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One fellow employee to another, same thing here. System says 0 for all the districts in my area which includes most of the east coast.
can i have a job at BB? please? i know stuff
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You don't want to work there. They pay you about $0.25/hour over minimum wage with no commission or bonuses, then expect you to meet metrics similar to a commission sales job with no incentive. There's a reason why only morons work for BB.
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dude my cousin is pretty smart,, works at bb and another job while he goes to school so thats pretty ****ty to say about people
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He wouldn't have to work two jobs if he didn't pick minimum wage employment. Either way there are always exceptions to everything. There are intelligent people working at Walmart as well, but put that in the spectrum of all the employees. If someone wants a real career in electronics, then they need to seek out a management position or get into an actual company for a rep position.
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there isnt alot of well payin jobs where he is at right now ,, so he took up two jobs to make up the difference ,, til he is done
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You don't want to work there. They pay you about $0.25/hour over minimum wage with no commission or bonuses, then expect you to meet metrics similar to a commission sales job with no incentive. There's a reason why only morons work for BB.
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Ermm, when I worked at Best Buy Mobile I got $11/hour plus bonuses (BBM department gets monthly bonuses). My monthly average worked out to about $12.50-14.00 an hour. Considering all the benefits (discounts from manufacturers and $20/month cell phone plans) it's not a bad racket.
Your last sentence makes you seem unnecessarily bitter.
exactly where i knew it was going
best buy (as alluded to above) is good for one thing; going to see the product in person (if they carry the actual matching model, and not an exclusive model) then go to buy it on the internets.
i have held seminars (as a walk-in customer) with their PC and HT departments explaining technologies (the manager just gathers everyone around so he didnt have to be held accountable for not remembering what HDMI stood for, or the contrast between an analog and digital signal, or actually didnt have the sophistication to do so).
yes there are always outliers, but majority reigns @ bb "here is an average boy, see this line just under that, that is your boy, mrs. gump"
if there were no evil in this world, would we want any good?
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You don't want to work there. They pay you about $0.25/hour over minimum wage with no commission or bonuses, then expect you to meet metrics similar to a commission sales job with no incentive. There's a reason why only morons work for BB.
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Couldn't be any further from the truth.
There's a difference between someone getting paid .25 over minimum and someone who knows how to negotiate pay.
I was hired by Best Buy in September 2007 at a starting pay of $10.25 an hour. That was $2.25 above minimum wage that year in California. Maybe you missed the 2 in your figure? After my 90 day evaluation, I was making $11.00. Basically, I outsold everyone on the sales floor, sold PSP's (they're called Black Tie Protection now), counter service, on-site service, accessories and built relationships with local shoppers. When they offered me a 25 cent raise at my 90 day, I said "I want $11 or I walk..." they didn't want to make up the numbers they'd lose from me.
By the time I quit in February 2009, I was making $12.00 an hour. If I stayed, I would've been promoted to a senior and been above $15-18 an hour at least.
I'm also a UCSD undergraduate studying Chemical Engineering in my sophomore/junior year. I wasn't the highest paying lower level employee I knew either. My friend is a comp sci major working at Best Buy and his starting wage was $2.50 higher per hour than some of the seniors in his department. They don't know about it.
Managers want the ignorant employees to think wages are equal and everyone gets paid garbage. The truth is, NBA isn't the only place some people make more money than their coworkers.
SO let's not jump to conclusions about what type of people work at Best Buy. I agree with people who dislike BB's practices, but let's not insult the employees.
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You don't want to work there. They pay you about $0.25/hour over minimum wage with no commission or bonuses, then expect you to meet metrics similar to a commission sales job with no incentive. There's a reason why only morons work for BB.
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This forum would be a much better place if there wasn't people like this that think they are smarter than everyone else and like to put people down for absolutely no reason.
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Whoever that guy is saying people at bestbuy make minimum wage is a moron, I work for mobile myself and make in the teens for hourly rate, aswell as being bonus eligible, its not a bad setup for a fulltime college student
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I worked for best buy ( once upon a very dark time ).... and it is correct that they do lie to their employees about pay... it didn't used to be this way.. back in '05 -'06 best buy was an ok place to work... morals were high... and they had competition ( circuit city, comp usa ).. and they paid their employed well.
For example I was a DCI ( geek squad sup ) making $22hr.
But once circut closed and they had no more major competition ( I wont state frys ele as a competition bcuz they are not national ) they changed their policies... downsized their staff and everyone took a pay cut or got laid off.
So now bby thinks they are untouchable ( which they allmost are ) and can get away with low pay beacuse the economy sucks and people are willing to do anything to get by.
And yes.... not everyone who works for best buy is an idiot... just most of them.
Now.... im an I.T. admin / web developer making 3x what I did at bby...
So the moral of the story is... if you want to get ahead in life... don't work retail.... get a degree and use it!
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By the looks of things the ITC is preparing to come down on HTC.
http://newsinabox.net/2210/apple-wants-htc-products-to-be-banned-in-u-s.html
You can go here and contact the Intellectual Property division to express any concerns you might have. http://www.usitc.gov/scripts/contact_us.asp
I guess phones should be round... and instead of icons have scratch and sniff stickers... and instead of automatically dialing a number when you click it, the phone should have a robotic arm that pops out and scribbles it onto a post it note so you can dial it manually later....
We should ban every vehicle not made by Ford too....
You know which brands are good by looking at Apple's list of lawsuits.
Oh no, a little Asian company makes phone better than the Asian companies we hire! Lower suicide rates?! Must sue...
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http://newsinabox.net/2210/apple-wants-htc-products-to-be-banned-in-u-s.html
didnt work for me either but a google search brought it up as the first result.
Good old apple, if they get away with this ****, I'll be ashamed to exist in this era lol
They already took HP out. If HTC goes... I'm gonna smash my friends iPhone :x
Jk
Or maybe not.
Shifted from my EVO.
I was hoping this tactic died with Jobs when he passed way (RIP) but I guess it didn't.
I don't want to live on this planet anymore...
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Enraged21 said:
They already took HP out. If HTC goes... I'm gonna smash my friends iPhone :x
Jk
Or maybe not.
Shifted from my EVO.
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I will do that, even living on Brazil and don't like that much HTC.
I've said for years. Apple's idea of "innovation" is via litigation. If you can't beat them sue the pants off them for some obscure patent. On that note the U.S. Patent system is long overdue for a overhaul. When patents can be this vague and actually be enforced in court there is a problem.
Thanks for the heads up on the link. Fixed...
Yeah... I don't want to break any rules about politics so I'll just leave it at email the ITC if you think this is crap. ITC hasn't been very friendly to companies that end up in Apple's crosshairs... Damn puppets.
HTC Sues Apple For Using Google Patents
http://thetechjournal.com/tech-news/htc-sues-apple-for-using-google-patents.xhtml
And, it's over....
And, it's over.....
No more HTC Android phones in the US.
What a shame to apple... just can't go around putting a ban to all these manufacturers. They got to accept it... MAYBE THEY HAVE RAN OUT OF IDEAS FOR A BETTER PHONE.
Bernstein Research analyst Pierre Ferragu notes that the ITC found HTC had violated one Apple patent, of 10 originally cited in the case. And violation of the patent is found in only two claims out of dozens. He notes that the patent relates to “identifying special text strings in emails and on Web pages and initiating special actions when these text strings are tapped or clicked (in simple terms, making a phone number a hyperlink in a text and kicking off the phone dialer when the link is clicked).”
Ferragu notes that since the ban does not take effect until April 19, the ITC effectively “gave HTC and U.S. carriers ample time to work around the limited violation.”
dont worry guys
no bans on htc yet
also isnt that hyperlink phone numbers thing already used by nokia n motorola years ago
the judges are plain stupid
HTC is working on a workaround to avoid the patent violation.
HTC is gonna stay in US
Apple must be banned from Belgium.
We had 2 IPhones here at home, expensive devices and both weren't working like they should....
It's going to be a while before they get a fix though.
Until then... HTC is banned from shipping in products to the USA.... The only exception is some refurbished devices.
http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2011/12/19/itc-sides-with-apple-in-patent-dispute-with-rival-htc/
Good thing is that the ban doesn't start until April 19 2012. They have some time... but we've all seen how fast HTC moves.
uck FApple!
If you can not inovate anymore, and your product is falling behind the competition, you must eliminate the competition before the brainless masses figure it out. Regardless of how putrid IOS 5 is (have an iphone for work) people who do not know better think that it "changes everything again". Apple must kill Samsung and HTC before anyone catches on. Mottorola they will spare
Hi Guys. I was wondering if there is any apps or method I could use to (block incoming) {know how to do this and out going calls and even mms if possible. I have this phone rooted and and running cm7. Its acctually a HTC inspire. However you guys in the HOX forum are my family
Reason behind this is my daughter is getting [email protected] grades. I think it is important in this day for a teenager to have comunications for emergency. I'd like to know how I can limit her from usage. ATT wants to charge me 5 bucks a month to do this.
any help would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks in advance
I never understood the rational behind doing something like that. Do you honestly think denying her the ability to use a phone is going to motivate her to spending her time actually studying? I know I wouldn't.
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Rational is for every action there is a reaction. Good grades are required to have a cell phone. Bad grades = no cell phone.
Or choice if you like? Choose to have bad grades = choose to not have a cell.
I've taken it away. But would like her to have the opportunity in emergency to contact essential persons.
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Rational is for every action there is a reaction. Good grades are required to have a cell phone. Bad grades = no cell phone.
Or choice if you like? Choose to have bad grades = choose to not have a cell.
I've taken it away. But would like her to have the opportunity in emergency to contact essential persons.
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I guess I don't view negative reinforcement as an effective solution. Granted, I'm not a parent but I was more recently a teenager with bad grades. Well... Not that recent but you get the idea. I certainly don't mean to tell you how to raise your children and think I might be overstepping my bounds.
Anyway... I you can still dial 911 if you take the SIM card out on a lot of phones. She won't be able to call you but could still use the phone for emergency use only. Dunno of an app to do what you're asking unfortunately.
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I understand you position. I was there once also. Everyone needs structure. Like android you need a breakfast, lunch, dinner and dessert. We try and structure Our enforcement like the society that they will eventually have to live in. Choice is the problem, and choice is the solution. There are good choices that have good outcomes and not so good choices..... you get the point, I hope. I also thought about my ten year old who has a galaxy phone. I don't want her calling anyone but family. We need a kiddie ROM
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I also thought about my ten year old who has a galaxy phone. I don't want her calling anyone but family. We need a kiddie ROM
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That's actually a really cool idea.
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How old is she? Old enough to take away the car, yes??
https://play.google.com/store/apps/...GwsMSwyLDIxMiwiY29tLmRvbW9iaWxlLmFwcGxvY2siXQ
Try that in conjunction with some sort of call blocker.. allow only your number and wife's etc. Then password protect the app, password protect the uninstall apps and settings so she can't bypass anything
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She is 15 you have to be 16 to drive in my state.
My wife and I let them pic the consequences for their actions.
She picked the cell cause she didn't want to be grounded.
I hope you guys don't think I'm some sort of Nazi parent.
Hell my older boy had illegal substance in his room and only got grounded for two weeks. Kept all his Xbox, phone. He has a 3.7 GPA and does is chores though.
Absolutegrim should he nominated to xda president! You are all ways so helpful and know your sh!t. Thanks!
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Don't let anyone tell you how to parent, only you know what will and won't work on your kids. Good on you for being an active parent, regardless of how you choose to do it
Also, rationale, not rational.
I'm just speaking from my experience as a child... I'm 17 now... My parents don't believe in grounding or taking anything away on that note... I think that's the way to go I believe when parents take stuff away you want to do worse to piss them off... I've gotten caught stealing(I'm sorry) smoking weed.. all they give me is a slap on the wrist...I have a 4.3 GPA taking intense classes and having the freedom and that makes me hapyy and want to work harder ...just my two cents ..everyone has their own beliefs though
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She is 15 you have to be 16 to drive in my state.
My wife and I let them pic the consequences for their actions.
She picked the cell cause she didn't want to be grounded.
I hope you guys don't think I'm some sort of Nazi parent.
Hell my older boy had illegal substance in his room and only got grounded for two weeks. Kept all his Xbox, phone. He has a 3.7 GPA and does is chores though.
Absolutegrim should he nominated to xda president! You are all ways so helpful and know your sh!t. Thanks!
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Good deal. 16 to drive here too.
I was nominated for contributor but I don't know when I'll hear back from that
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Cut me some slack Bob? No Predictive text. lol
@omario your a self motivated person. I can tell.
My kids have "my" retard gene.(hence my bad spelling that Bob pointed out) They have to work hard to get good grades. When I got custody of my older two from my ex. They were both in special education, 3 years behind. Its been a lot of hard work to get them caught up in school. I just want them to succeed. If any of you have better ideas for consequences? I'll run it by my daughter and see if she's OK with it. Like I said she picks the poison.
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Cut me some slack Bob? No Predictive text. lol
@omario your a self motivated person. I can tell.
My kids have "my" retard gene.(hence my bad spelling that Bob pointed out) They have to work hard to get good grades. When I got custody of my older two from my ex. They were both in special education, 3 years behind. Its been a lot of hard work to get them caught up in school. I just want them to succeed. If any of you have better ideas for consequences? I'll run it by my daughter and see if she's OK with it. Like I said she picks the poison.
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Letting your girl "pick her destiny" is good, at least I think so. I'm 20 year old now, and when I was getting in trouble in school and what not my parents would discipline as they saw fit. I was being extremely dumb and thought it was cool to do drugs(weed) but, because I was in soccer and working my way towards a soccer scholarship... My parent's didn't do a whole lot, I just got teh truck taken away from me for a few weeks, and I had to tell my coach if i ever wanted to get my keys back. He is like a second father to me, and he kept getting on me when I messed up at practice. I'll never forget certain moments at practice either... It was absolute hell but, I've never touched that stuff since. I've carried a 4.0 through my senior year, and currently have a 3.6 in my soph year of college. Scholarship is almost up, and now I'm looking to join the military. I can't thank my parents enough for the way they handled that. Most f the people that I have hung out with in high school are now dealers/arrested for possession with intent to distribute/pregnant... That list could go on forever.
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Letting your girl "pick her destiny" is good, at least I think so. I'm 20 year old now, and when I was getting in trouble in school and what not my parents would discipline as they saw fit. I was being extremely dumb and thought it was cool to do drugs(weed) but, because I was in soccer and working my way towards a soccer scholarship... My parent's didn't do a whole lot, I just got teh truck taken away from me for a few weeks, and I had to tell my coach if i ever wanted to get my keys back. He is like a second father to me, and he kept getting on me when I messed up at practice. I'll never forget certain moments at practice either... It was absolute hell but, I've never touched that stuff since. I've carried a 4.0 through my senior year, and currently have a 3.6 in my soph year of college. Scholarship is almost up, and now I'm looking to join the military. I can't thank my parents enough for the way they handled that. Most f the people that I have hung out with in high school are now dealers/arrested for possession with intent to distribute/pregnant... That list could go on forever.
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I just have to disagree with one thing... I respect that you stopped...but im in the boat you were in high school I'm a junior I play very competitive soccer and taking a lot of.hard classes and weed is the thing that kinda puts everything away and let's me focus on what's important... I think without it id be lost in a world of stress... I do it like once a week just with some friends and I feel sometimes makes me smarter
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I just have to disagree with one thing... I respect that you stopped...but im in the boat you were in high school I'm a junior I play very competitive soccer and taking a lot of.hard classes and weed is the thing that kinda puts everything away and let's me focus on what's important... I think without it id be lost in a world of stress... I do it like once a week just with some friends and I feel sometimes makes me smarter
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To each his own. To me, what that stuff did to me, was bad. I say bad... Be cause it hurt me on the field. I am a gk, and it messed with my reactions and split second thinking/decision making. It effects people differently. One of my long time friends got arrested for possession with intent to distribute. It messed with my conditioning BAD. Before, I was able to run a mile in just over 7 minutes, for my body type that's pretty good. I am 5'10" 195#. My time slowly started to decrease... I look back and I will never be able to thank my parents and my coach enough.
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To each his own. To me, what that stuff did to me, was bad. I say bad... Be cause it hurt me on the field. I am a gk, and it messed with my reactions and split second thinking/decision making. It effects people differently. One of my long time friends got arrested for possession with intent to distribute. It messed with my conditioning BAD. Before, I was able to run a mile in just over 7 minutes, for my body type that's pretty good. I am 5'10" 195#. My time slowly started to decrease... I look back and I will never be able to thank my parents and my coach enough.
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I see where your coming from yeah Im center mid I played division 1 soccer which is the top around here... I say played because I had to get knee surgery from soccer over the summer and none months recovery so ill be back in June but I think im done with competitive play... My conditioning did get a bit worse which I can admit to while I was still playing.. as for the arrest I'm truly sorry ..nobody deserves tha for just this...here In california I think u have to 8 g on u to be held up for intent to sell... But I will stop when I have to settle down and be a consistent man in the real world.. I have no doubt you're happy you stopped ..sometimes I wish I didn't do it sometimes I just have that crave to chill out and sit back.. but like u said "to each his own"
Ya I tried it a couple times when I was younger. Just wasn't for me. I don't care if my kids experiment with it. They're gonna do that any way. Just don't want it to run or ruin their lives.
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Ya I tried it a couple times when I was younger. Just wasn't for me. I don't care if my kids experiment with it. They're gonna do that any way. Just don't want it to run or ruin their lives.
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Experimentation is different than using, in my eyes. If I ever have kids, I say that because my little cousins are natural living birth control, I wouldn't scold them for being a teenager but like you said, I wouldn't let it run/ruin their lives.
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Subaru, I've found a few apps that might interest you
https://play.google.com/store/apps/...oid+apps+to+block+incoming+and+outgoing+calls
https://play.google.com/store/apps/...oid+apps+to+block+incoming+and+outgoing+calls
Is this kind of what you were looking for?
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Please change title to: "[Q] Block calls incoming & outgoing & off topic parenting discussion & marijuana ethicality debate "
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Please change title to: "[Q] Block calls incoming & outgoing & off topic parenting discussion & marijuana ethicality debate "
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So we strayed off topic... Kind of. The title does say off topic. but it was more of sharing stories of what parents did. At least, with me it is. Don't know about Omar
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I'll throw my two cents on the at&t jelly bean update.
As some of you can see, I've been on these forums for a VERY long time. I've seen the forums go from basically an HTC win-mo board to the amazing place it has become today. Sadly, it seems like people seem to come here to whine more then to either innovate or at least take control of their devices.
Yes it's frustrating that AT&T hasn't released the jelly bean update for our device considering the update has been out for nearly 5 months now. But at the same time, this is XD-freaking-A! Where if you want anything on your device (short of Google wallet apparently), you cane make it happen. Root your phone, unlock your bootloader, and enjoy your phone as you want to.
I remember when people wouldn't bat an eye to dropping $600-$800 on a HTC TyTn II and it would come with 850/1900 HSPA so you didn't have to get stuck with ATT's crap and terrible support.
Lets get back to enjoying our device, and if that means going the Nexus device and/or unlocked device route, so be it. Don't let the carriers control you.
The lesson as always: less whining, more hacking!!
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Funny, I was just thinking along similar lines today. This board has changed a whole lot in the time I've been here. I also joined during the WinMo days, back with the TyTn II (AT&T Tilt). In those days, folks with smartphones were mostly early adopters. Sure, XDA existed long before that time, and there were even earlier adopters, by far. But back in 2007, smartphones and especially moddiing them were the realm of tech geeks only.
The smartphone world has now exploded and become mainstream. The demographic of people that visit this site is now very different. Lots of n00bs asking for one-click root solutions and video tutorials, instead of just reading and doing. A lot more n00bs asking the same questions over and over, without bothering to do any research. And asking for help without providing any background information. I remember the days when nobody would even help you, if you didn't have your carrier, phone version, firmware version, and radio listed in your signature.
So my specific peeve is a bit different (less about the whining, and more about users not wanting to learn and research). But the basic premise is the same: the user base here has changed a whole lot over time.
Hmm I'm not sure I follow Ya about people whining , we get sometimes a bunch of people who don't follow instructions or read any previous posts but it seems its just the normal new user issues until they get broke in. The hoxl community in my opinion is the best group around in xda. With s off and our awesome choices in many android based versions it seems any update from carriers would be a severe downgrade and at this point serves us no purpose. I guess to make long story short I'm not really sure what the point of this thread is ( no offense meant)
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Hmm I'm not sure I follow Ya about people whining
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The OP may (or may not) have had this particular thread in mind: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2167162
That's just one guy. But there is always a surprising number of people on here, waiting around for official OTAs, afraid to root/BL unlock their phones, etc.
Lol Ya that was a good example
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Think this board's bad? should have seen the hp touchpad section right before it died. There's a new thread/post asking for someone to port win7 and win8 almost every day, and it's never going to happen lol.
Back in the day people who bought smartphones were geeks and tech heads, plus this site was mainly HTC devices WinMo devices. Now almost everyone has a smartphone so you get a lot of annoying people on here.
Ha! As bad as this place can get with noobishness, the iOS jailbreak community is worse because the barriers to entry are a lot lower. Pretty much everything is one-click once the exploits are found, and there's no division by handset like there is with Android. Bricking is next to impossible because you can easily recover and go back to stock through iTunes.
I haven't been at xda all that long, but I was into jailbreaking from when the 3G was released, which was mid-2008. Back then, it was only hardcore geeks and most people didn't even realize jailbreaking existed or had only the vaguest understanding of what it was. When I came over the divide last year, it had gotten so bad people thought you could jailbreak over wifi because iTunes does most things over wifi now. You would go through ten posts trying to help someone only to discover they didn't even have their iPhone plugged into their freaking computer. Plus you would have people showing up for the express purpose of arguing that you shouldn't jailbreak and that all of us were going to jail.
Everyone and their mom has a smartphone now. That statement applies to me as my mom has a Galaxy Note 2. The only thing I ever seen her do with it is look up celebrities net worth on google now :laugh:. I have never understood why would there be anyone here waiting for AT&T to release their JB Sense ROM when we have had it here for over 2 months. I'm here because I want to get the absolute best out of my phone that the purely stock experience cannot match.
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Everyone and their mom has a smartphone now. That statement applies to me as my mom has a Galaxy Note 2. The only thing I ever seen her do with it is look up celebrities net worth on google now :laugh:. I have never understood why would there be anyone here waiting for AT&T to release their JB Sense ROM when we have had it here for over 2 months. I'm here because I want to get the absolute best out of my phone that the purely stock experience cannot match.
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Everyone and their mom has a smartphone, but not everyone and their mom comes here and talks about flashing ROMs. I expect stupidity in the forums as a whole from outsiders who just come here from a Google search, but people in the ROM threads are just as lazy and entitled. ROM threads are nearly impossible to keep up with because they're 1000 pages long and 980 of those pages are repeat questions. I'm new here so maybe that's the way it's always been but it's frustrating to say the least. If I don't come here for one day, I have 30 pages to catch up with on the single ROM I actually follow.
When I first bought my phone a good six months ago, coming from 3gs, All I did was troll up until now. The first thing I found was the thread to unlock, supercid and , root my phone, for att 2.20. I found two threads that would do it, the all-one-tool kit, and the x-factor exploit. I decided to go with the x-factor instead of the all in one because i wouldn't learn anything with the tool-kit. After that I ran into the problem of no rom, recovery, and an un-mountable sdcard. I did a quick search about the un-mountable sdcard in our forums here and found the Team Nocturnal SD Fix for evita. Once that was done i had a working sd card, trwp recovery but still no rom. So i did another search and found one of the best informational posts ever, Gunnyman's quick and dirty adb/fastboot primer this got me on track to start pushing rom zips to my sdcard without having a bootable rom and also told me that i had to fastboot flash boot boot.img every time I installed a new rom hboot 1.14+. And I still haven't had to ask any question on how to do something because guaranteed 100% that someone else has asked that very same question you just have to read and read some more, the only way someone hasn't asked your question is if you've been doing your own mod work that nobody else has seen.
I'm nowhere near as active as I used to be. Cooking your own winmo roms was fun in those days. But that was in College and at att when I actually had time to learn that stuff. Generally if you follow instructions to a T, you will be fine.
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I hate people who jailbreak at my school. Why? Because I'm the kid they b**** to about EVERYTHING. How do you jailbreak? Where did you download it? How do I install stuff? How do I get everything free? OH EM GEE MY PHONE KEEPS RESTARTING WHAT DO I DO?! JAILBREAKING SUCKS ITS ALL YOUR FAULT! To this I reply with "Google it you d*** a**" This being my first smartphone, I have used every peice of it. I have a girl who bought a gs3 and has yet to figure out how to put apps in folders. I can say, without a doubt in my mind. That I am the only kid in my grade with common sense for technology. I'm only in 8th grade so I pray it gets better in highschool.
-Sugardaddy Duncan
When did xda become so safe?
When did the scene become a joke?
The kids who used to live for custom and root
Now want their OTA and officials
Cursing and flipping n00bs are not allowed,
In fact let's keep dev only talk levels down
Must separate the church and skate!
When did xda become so safe?
I know it wasn't Turge or h8rift,
Who put up the barricades
Like a stake in the heart,
Somehow we got driven apart
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I hate people who jailbreak at my school. Why? Because I'm the kid they b**** to about EVERYTHING. How do you jailbreak? Where did you download it? How do I install stuff? How do I get everything free? OH EM GEE MY PHONE KEEPS RESTARTING WHAT DO I DO?! JAILBREAKING SUCKS ITS ALL YOUR FAULT! To this I reply with "Google it you d*** a**" This being my first smartphone, I have used every peice of it. I have a girl who bought a gs3 and has yet to figure out how to put apps in folders. I can say, without a doubt in my mind. That I am the only kid in my grade with common sense for technology. I'm only in 8th grade so I pray it gets better in highschool.
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That's really interesting. I always assumed kids growing up these days (God I sound old) would be friggin' wizards of technology having grown up with it since birth. But maybe the opposite is true : where my first computer required a lot of WORK to do anything with (custom boot disks to run DOOM and whatnot), nowadays everything just "works" so kids will be proficient on the basics but absolutely clueless on anything beyond that because they never HAD to do it...?
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That's really interesting. I always assumed kids growing up these days (God I sound old) would be friggin' wizards of technology having grown up with it since birth. But maybe the opposite is true : where my first computer required a lot of WORK to do anything with (custom boot disks to run DOOM and whatnot), nowadays everything just "works" so kids will be proficient on the basics but absolutely clueless on anything beyond that because they never HAD to do it...?
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Literally 98% of my school has iPhone's and they're all dumb ass Isheep..it's embarassing to listen to some of their conversations sometimes.. it ashames me that I go to the sane school as them
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That's really interesting. I always assumed kids growing up these days (God I sound old) would be friggin' wizards of technology having grown up with it since birth. But maybe the opposite is true : where my first computer required a lot of WORK to do anything with (custom boot disks to run DOOM and whatnot), nowadays everything just "works" so kids will be proficient on the basics but absolutely clueless on anything beyond that because they never HAD to do it...?
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As the father of three school-age boys, I can tell you that in some ways, not a whole lot has changed. The baseline has moved, but the divisions are the same. Everyone has a phone and a computer, but there are still big differences in how much they care about them.
The average kids (the same crowd who wouldn't touch a computer when I was their age) are uninterested in the guts and only know the basics of how to use them. And there is still the geek crowd who wants to know everything and play around with it.
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That's really interesting. I always assumed kids growing up these days (God I sound old) would be friggin' wizards of technology having grown up with it since birth. But maybe the opposite is true : where my first computer required a lot of WORK to do anything with (custom boot disks to run DOOM and whatnot), nowadays everything just "works" so kids will be proficient on the basics but absolutely clueless on anything beyond that because they never HAD to do it...?
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This is true. I graduated highschool in 2007 to give you some perspective. The student body of my school was a little under 1000 for each grade. Of this, there were 15 of us "computer guys". Nobody else knew anything, nobody else cared.
I feel like I'm getting old, watching everyone around me. I'm a senior in college now, getting a bachelor's degree in telecommunications & systems administration. You'd be suprised to hear that most of my classmates know relatively little about computers, especially at a lower level. Hell, one of my friends who just scored a great job at target corperate IT didn't know what a CSV file was until I scolded him yesterday. Kids these days are stupid.
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This is true. I graduated highschool in 2007 to give you some perspective. The student body of my school was a little under 1000 for each grade. Of this, there were 15 of us "computer guys". Nobody else knew anything, nobody else cared.
I feel like I'm getting old, watching everyone around me. I'm a senior in college now, getting a bachelor's degree in telecommunications & systems administration. You'd be suprised to hear that most of my classmates know relatively little about computers, especially at a lower level. Hell, one of my friends who just scored a great job at target corperate IT didn't know what a CSV file was until I scolded him yesterday. Kids these days are stupid.
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I guess I get not knowing the innards /lower level stuff, but you'd think general USAGE would at least be second nature by now.
It's like with cars. Almost everyone knows how to drive and uses a car daily, but only a small percentage can fix them or understand how they work.
Most people, young and old, don't know/don't care about how computers and phones work.
hello everyone
i got a note 10.1 as a gift yesterday, no doubt it is cool, but the thing is that i am in my last season before college and it is very important.
now i am confused whether to sell it and save it's money for later, or keep it (but of course, i am not going to use it very much), the thing is that if i sell it now, i will lose about 130$ of it's price and i have no idea whether the next generation tablets will cost about the same or higher and if i don't sell it now, it's price will will decrease so bad.
the advantages of the first decision is that i will not get distraction from it and the advantages of the second decision is that i will have i high end tablet which i think the next generation tablets wont have so much differences between this generation's.
so what do you think? does it worth to keep it? or i should sell it?
thanks in advance .
Since you dont have a need for tablets, sell it.
I am sure 3-4 years from now tablets (like most other electronics) will become better with evolution. Buy when you need it.
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Why not give it back to the person who bought it for you so they can return it for full price? I know I would be highly pissed off and offended if I bought someone an expensive gift like the Note 10.1 and they turned around and sold it.
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Why not give it back to the person who bought it for you so they can return it for full price? I know I would be highly pissed off and offended if I bought someone an expensive gift like the Note 10.1 and they turned around and sold it.
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Isn't a gift the property of the recipient to do with as they please? Can't say I wouldn't be disappointed, but once it's given, it's use is determined by the person who owns it.
Not trying to be a jerk, but this goes back to a conversation I had once, and a lesson I learned. I gave my brother a balloon, and he popped it on purpose. I was angry, until someone pointed out to me that it was his gift to do with as he pleased. Literally, whatever pleased him most was up to him. If he enjoyed the act of popping the balloon (his choice) more than looking at the balloon (my pre-conceived notion of the "proper" way to enjoy a balloon), who was I to judge that?
If the recipient would be happier selling the gift than keeping the gift, shouldn't they do what makes them most happy? Isn't that the point of a gift?
True but it can also be an easy way to piss off the one who gave the present . Result ungrateful B sold my present and he wont get any more .
I would sell the Note and say to the giver thanks but i sold it and put the money to my educashion and bought some skool books for colidge or something like that .
jje
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Isn't a gift the property of the recipient to do with as they please? Can't say I wouldn't be disappointed, but once it's given, it's use is determined by the person who owns it.
Not trying to be a jerk, but this goes back to a conversation I had once, and a lesson I learned. I gave my brother a balloon, and he popped it on purpose. I was angry, until someone pointed out to me that it was his gift to do with as he pleased. Literally, whatever pleased him most was up to him. If he enjoyed the act of popping the balloon (his choice) more than looking at the balloon (my pre-conceived notion of the "proper" way to enjoy a balloon), who was I to judge that?
If the recipient would be happier selling the gift than keeping the gift, shouldn't they do what makes them most happy? Isn't that the point of a gift?
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There is no argument that he can do whatever the heck he wants, but he asked for advice. My opinion, based on my values, beliefs, morals, whatever...is that if someone gives you a valuable gift and you turn around and sell it...that's a pretty **** move and if I were the gift giver, it would definitely hurt my feelings and leave me with a very sour taste in my mouth. I would likely never buy the ungrateful kid another gift of value. If he turns around and sells it, it is being very disrespectful and ungrateful to the gift giver.
He has plenty of options that would result in him not looking like an ungrateful d-bag. He could tell the gift giver that he would prefer the money be used toward his education and give the gift back so they can return it and give him cash. He could say that, while it was nice, it wasn't what he wanted right now and he would rather have <insert whatever gift here>.
Again, it goes back to the idea that just because you can do something a certain way doesn't mean it is the way you should do it. That's why we are considered developmentally above animals. We *should* have the ability to know the difference between right and wrong in our actions and behaviors. I guess, in my eyes, the relationship between me and the other person is more valuable than whatever money could be gained through the disrespectful act of selling it.
OP, if you're starting college within a year, I'd hold onto it. The Note's specs aren't matched by many tablets now and I don't expect that to have improved next year. You've got to keep in mind that the Note's got 2GB of RAM, which is twice the amount of some of the other tablets labeled as high-end. It's got a quad core proccessor and, most importantly, it has Wacon active digitizer that improves stylus input. If you read member posts by those who are students, they are making great use of all the Note's features. As you've noted, once new merchandise is sold, it's value drops significantly. Good luck.
Each one of you has a point, but, If I sell it now, it is not because I want more money, it is because having such a tablet will distract me from studying as I had a note 1 about 3 months ago, and I can really say that I clould not study while owing it.
It is really a hard choice...
The gift giver is must also be kept in mind, he brought me a gift and I should respect that.
Don't know what do...
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Why not give it back to the person who bought it for you so they can return it for full price? I know I would be highly pissed off and offended if I bought someone an expensive gift like the Note 10.1 and they turned around and sold it.
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In my country, there is no returning unless the product is damaged, even samsung's official shop does not do it.
loribuono said:
Isn't a gift the property of the recipient to do with as they please? Can't say I wouldn't be disappointed, but once it's given, it's use is determined by the person who owns it.
Not trying to be a jerk, but this goes back to a conversation I had once, and a lesson I learned. I gave my brother a balloon, and he popped it on purpose. I was angry, until someone pointed out to me that it was his gift to do with as he pleased. Literally, whatever pleased him most was up to him. If he enjoyed the act of popping the balloon (his choice) more than looking at the balloon (my pre-conceived notion of the "proper" way to enjoy a balloon), who was I to judge that?
If the recipient would be happier selling the gift than keeping the gift, shouldn't they do what makes them most happy? Isn't that the point of a gift?
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You have a point, but when it comes to such an expensive item, I think we should look to this situation in a different way, but again, I cant study while owning such a device
Have you considered that owning this device may actually help you study... It is designed specifically for business and artists but there is a strong leaning towards students to use this also. You have on hand a device you can download and read manuals from, cut and edit pdf's and documents. Grab information straight from the internet and incorporate it into a document.
You can write on the screen without having to use a ton of paper meanin it won't change in weight, and can then annotate things, you can record lectures while they are being given and add hand written notes.
I wish I had this for my school days...
Keep it and learn restraint .
I say keep it..
First it will come in handy when used properly.. And if you say you cant study while you have such a device that distracts your. God forbid you have friends or a Girl/ boy friend..
Keep it and use it to lean to restrain yourself from letting a Device control your Free/ Study time.. If you do not learn this you are going to fail eventually anyway. Im assuming in college and last semester you should already be well on your way to having great time management skills.. I say this thinking about our son who just started college psyc Degree.. He has a long long time to go..
Good Luck either way ..
Ps also if i had bought you such a gift It would hurt my feelings if you sold it so soon . or even consider such as explorer said It is your choice but think ethical about it.. OHH ARE YOU studying to be a Lawyer .. (ohh the ethics thing Guess not)
Giggles GOOD Luck ..
Erica Renee
ExploreMN said:
There is no argument that he can do whatever the heck he wants, but he asked for advice. My opinion, based on my values, beliefs, morals, whatever...is that if someone gives you a valuable gift and you turn around and sell it...that's a pretty **** move and if I were the gift giver, it would definitely hurt my feelings and leave me with a very sour taste in my mouth. I would likely never buy the ungrateful kid another gift of value. If he turns around and sells it, it is being very disrespectful and ungrateful to the gift giver.
He has plenty of options that would result in him not looking like an ungrateful d-bag. He could tell the gift giver that he would prefer the money be used toward his education and give the gift back so they can return it and give him cash. He could say that, while it was nice, it wasn't what he wanted right now and he would rather have <insert whatever gift here>.
Again, it goes back to the idea that just because you can do something a certain way doesn't mean it is the way you should do it. That's why we are considered developmentally above animals. We *should* have the ability to know the difference between right and wrong in our actions and behaviors. I guess, in my eyes, the relationship between me and the other person is more valuable than whatever money could be gained through the disrespectful act of selling it.
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Thanks for sharing your opinions. We disagree. No one can make me feel anything by selling something I gave them. Once given, it's none of my business what the recipient does with it, and it can't change whatever good feelings I had when giving it.
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I say keep it..
First it will come in handy when used properly.. And if you say you cant study while you have such a device that distracts your. God forbid you have friends or a Girl/ boy friend..
Keep it and use it to lean to restrain yourself from letting a Device control your Free/ Study time.. If you do not learn this you are going to fail eventually anyway. Im assuming in college and last semester you should already be well on your way to having great time management skills.. I say this thinking about our son who just started college psyc Degree.. He has a long long time to go..
Good Luck either way ..
Ps also if i had bought you such a gift It would hurt my feelings if you sold it so soon . or even consider such as explorer said It is your choice but think ethical about it.. OHH ARE YOU studying to be a Lawyer .. (ohh the ethics thing Guess not)
Giggles GOOD Luck ..
Erica Renee
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nice words...
as for time management, i've already made a schedule for studying but the time is not in my side, my country's high school system is wrong, we have more Subjects to study in a very short time.
also, why god would forbid having a friend? a true friend would help me and not distract me.
thank you for sharing you opinions
i am thinking for reasons not to sell it, but it is a hard choice...