hello everyone
i got a note 10.1 as a gift yesterday, no doubt it is cool, but the thing is that i am in my last season before college and it is very important.
now i am confused whether to sell it and save it's money for later, or keep it (but of course, i am not going to use it very much), the thing is that if i sell it now, i will lose about 130$ of it's price and i have no idea whether the next generation tablets will cost about the same or higher and if i don't sell it now, it's price will will decrease so bad.
the advantages of the first decision is that i will not get distraction from it and the advantages of the second decision is that i will have i high end tablet which i think the next generation tablets wont have so much differences between this generation's.
so what do you think? does it worth to keep it? or i should sell it?
thanks in advance .
Since you dont have a need for tablets, sell it.
I am sure 3-4 years from now tablets (like most other electronics) will become better with evolution. Buy when you need it.
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Why not give it back to the person who bought it for you so they can return it for full price? I know I would be highly pissed off and offended if I bought someone an expensive gift like the Note 10.1 and they turned around and sold it.
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ExploreMN said:
Why not give it back to the person who bought it for you so they can return it for full price? I know I would be highly pissed off and offended if I bought someone an expensive gift like the Note 10.1 and they turned around and sold it.
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Isn't a gift the property of the recipient to do with as they please? Can't say I wouldn't be disappointed, but once it's given, it's use is determined by the person who owns it.
Not trying to be a jerk, but this goes back to a conversation I had once, and a lesson I learned. I gave my brother a balloon, and he popped it on purpose. I was angry, until someone pointed out to me that it was his gift to do with as he pleased. Literally, whatever pleased him most was up to him. If he enjoyed the act of popping the balloon (his choice) more than looking at the balloon (my pre-conceived notion of the "proper" way to enjoy a balloon), who was I to judge that?
If the recipient would be happier selling the gift than keeping the gift, shouldn't they do what makes them most happy? Isn't that the point of a gift?
True but it can also be an easy way to piss off the one who gave the present . Result ungrateful B sold my present and he wont get any more .
I would sell the Note and say to the giver thanks but i sold it and put the money to my educashion and bought some skool books for colidge or something like that .
jje
loribuono said:
Isn't a gift the property of the recipient to do with as they please? Can't say I wouldn't be disappointed, but once it's given, it's use is determined by the person who owns it.
Not trying to be a jerk, but this goes back to a conversation I had once, and a lesson I learned. I gave my brother a balloon, and he popped it on purpose. I was angry, until someone pointed out to me that it was his gift to do with as he pleased. Literally, whatever pleased him most was up to him. If he enjoyed the act of popping the balloon (his choice) more than looking at the balloon (my pre-conceived notion of the "proper" way to enjoy a balloon), who was I to judge that?
If the recipient would be happier selling the gift than keeping the gift, shouldn't they do what makes them most happy? Isn't that the point of a gift?
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There is no argument that he can do whatever the heck he wants, but he asked for advice. My opinion, based on my values, beliefs, morals, whatever...is that if someone gives you a valuable gift and you turn around and sell it...that's a pretty **** move and if I were the gift giver, it would definitely hurt my feelings and leave me with a very sour taste in my mouth. I would likely never buy the ungrateful kid another gift of value. If he turns around and sells it, it is being very disrespectful and ungrateful to the gift giver.
He has plenty of options that would result in him not looking like an ungrateful d-bag. He could tell the gift giver that he would prefer the money be used toward his education and give the gift back so they can return it and give him cash. He could say that, while it was nice, it wasn't what he wanted right now and he would rather have <insert whatever gift here>.
Again, it goes back to the idea that just because you can do something a certain way doesn't mean it is the way you should do it. That's why we are considered developmentally above animals. We *should* have the ability to know the difference between right and wrong in our actions and behaviors. I guess, in my eyes, the relationship between me and the other person is more valuable than whatever money could be gained through the disrespectful act of selling it.
OP, if you're starting college within a year, I'd hold onto it. The Note's specs aren't matched by many tablets now and I don't expect that to have improved next year. You've got to keep in mind that the Note's got 2GB of RAM, which is twice the amount of some of the other tablets labeled as high-end. It's got a quad core proccessor and, most importantly, it has Wacon active digitizer that improves stylus input. If you read member posts by those who are students, they are making great use of all the Note's features. As you've noted, once new merchandise is sold, it's value drops significantly. Good luck.
Each one of you has a point, but, If I sell it now, it is not because I want more money, it is because having such a tablet will distract me from studying as I had a note 1 about 3 months ago, and I can really say that I clould not study while owing it.
It is really a hard choice...
The gift giver is must also be kept in mind, he brought me a gift and I should respect that.
Don't know what do...
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Why not give it back to the person who bought it for you so they can return it for full price? I know I would be highly pissed off and offended if I bought someone an expensive gift like the Note 10.1 and they turned around and sold it.
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In my country, there is no returning unless the product is damaged, even samsung's official shop does not do it.
loribuono said:
Isn't a gift the property of the recipient to do with as they please? Can't say I wouldn't be disappointed, but once it's given, it's use is determined by the person who owns it.
Not trying to be a jerk, but this goes back to a conversation I had once, and a lesson I learned. I gave my brother a balloon, and he popped it on purpose. I was angry, until someone pointed out to me that it was his gift to do with as he pleased. Literally, whatever pleased him most was up to him. If he enjoyed the act of popping the balloon (his choice) more than looking at the balloon (my pre-conceived notion of the "proper" way to enjoy a balloon), who was I to judge that?
If the recipient would be happier selling the gift than keeping the gift, shouldn't they do what makes them most happy? Isn't that the point of a gift?
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You have a point, but when it comes to such an expensive item, I think we should look to this situation in a different way, but again, I cant study while owning such a device
Have you considered that owning this device may actually help you study... It is designed specifically for business and artists but there is a strong leaning towards students to use this also. You have on hand a device you can download and read manuals from, cut and edit pdf's and documents. Grab information straight from the internet and incorporate it into a document.
You can write on the screen without having to use a ton of paper meanin it won't change in weight, and can then annotate things, you can record lectures while they are being given and add hand written notes.
I wish I had this for my school days...
Keep it and learn restraint .
I say keep it..
First it will come in handy when used properly.. And if you say you cant study while you have such a device that distracts your. God forbid you have friends or a Girl/ boy friend..
Keep it and use it to lean to restrain yourself from letting a Device control your Free/ Study time.. If you do not learn this you are going to fail eventually anyway. Im assuming in college and last semester you should already be well on your way to having great time management skills.. I say this thinking about our son who just started college psyc Degree.. He has a long long time to go..
Good Luck either way ..
Ps also if i had bought you such a gift It would hurt my feelings if you sold it so soon . or even consider such as explorer said It is your choice but think ethical about it.. OHH ARE YOU studying to be a Lawyer .. (ohh the ethics thing Guess not)
Giggles GOOD Luck ..
Erica Renee
ExploreMN said:
There is no argument that he can do whatever the heck he wants, but he asked for advice. My opinion, based on my values, beliefs, morals, whatever...is that if someone gives you a valuable gift and you turn around and sell it...that's a pretty **** move and if I were the gift giver, it would definitely hurt my feelings and leave me with a very sour taste in my mouth. I would likely never buy the ungrateful kid another gift of value. If he turns around and sells it, it is being very disrespectful and ungrateful to the gift giver.
He has plenty of options that would result in him not looking like an ungrateful d-bag. He could tell the gift giver that he would prefer the money be used toward his education and give the gift back so they can return it and give him cash. He could say that, while it was nice, it wasn't what he wanted right now and he would rather have <insert whatever gift here>.
Again, it goes back to the idea that just because you can do something a certain way doesn't mean it is the way you should do it. That's why we are considered developmentally above animals. We *should* have the ability to know the difference between right and wrong in our actions and behaviors. I guess, in my eyes, the relationship between me and the other person is more valuable than whatever money could be gained through the disrespectful act of selling it.
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Thanks for sharing your opinions. We disagree. No one can make me feel anything by selling something I gave them. Once given, it's none of my business what the recipient does with it, and it can't change whatever good feelings I had when giving it.
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I say keep it..
First it will come in handy when used properly.. And if you say you cant study while you have such a device that distracts your. God forbid you have friends or a Girl/ boy friend..
Keep it and use it to lean to restrain yourself from letting a Device control your Free/ Study time.. If you do not learn this you are going to fail eventually anyway. Im assuming in college and last semester you should already be well on your way to having great time management skills.. I say this thinking about our son who just started college psyc Degree.. He has a long long time to go..
Good Luck either way ..
Ps also if i had bought you such a gift It would hurt my feelings if you sold it so soon . or even consider such as explorer said It is your choice but think ethical about it.. OHH ARE YOU studying to be a Lawyer .. (ohh the ethics thing Guess not)
Giggles GOOD Luck ..
Erica Renee
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nice words...
as for time management, i've already made a schedule for studying but the time is not in my side, my country's high school system is wrong, we have more Subjects to study in a very short time.
also, why god would forbid having a friend? a true friend would help me and not distract me.
thank you for sharing you opinions
i am thinking for reasons not to sell it, but it is a hard choice...
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Well guys... I got the full details of the main bloke mass-selling the unlocker in the UK... so, anyone out there with advice on the move to make next... or anyone who'd like to help?
I wish you good luck Olipro, it's very anoying that someone is mass selling your work
Unlocker
I unlocked my device using your tool and it was successful without any issues... unfortunately (or fortunately (dunno)); I'm not living in the UK but I would like to help thou if I can
just give your sign man
Burn the bleeder!!!!
Olipro.
I'd like to think i speak for all.....
The amount of time you and others have spent is outstanding... and you do so for the community for free.
Having some guy take this "free for personal use utility" and sell it.. amounts to ... lets say... theft... and well deserved for a good kickin.
I know that ebay will take action to stop anyone selling a product if there is a copyright infringement. .. don't know if that is a path...
But.. Branding the utilities.. and basically making it clearly written that it is not ALLOWED to SELL... and if they purchased it.. please contact the seller for a refund.. will make it a real pain in the backside...
As for existing on sale products.... I'd put adds in totally copying the listing.. and making it free!!! or charge a penny... including the line...
"why pay XYZ £x.xx for this unlocker.. when you can buy it now for a penny.. (or we can make it less than the other seller....) and make the payments all go to the actual developers paypal donations account!!!
???
I'm happy to do it.. (i have an ebay account i really don't mind burning...)
PM me and we can do this...
Wasted effort.
You guys could probably find something far more productive to do with your time than wasting effort on someone who is selling something that was given away for free.
Just like Monster (like redbull) has been running around, giving away cans of their product. Anyone who wants to can sell those cans to anyone who is willing to pay for them. There's nothing wrong with that, either.
That isn't to say, I don't appreciate your efforts Olipro, I do. But frankly, even if you charged for it, I would pay you because it's worth it to me. Without a second thought as to how you came about it, whether you wrote it.
I simply couldn't care less--neither do any of this guy's buyers. Why should they?
actually, i was aiming for a settlement, but if that's not forthcoming then I'll lodge a claim.
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Well guys... I got the full details of the main bloke mass-selling the unlocker in the UK... so, anyone out there with advice on the move to make next... or anyone who'd like to help?
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what kinda help you looking for? I'm willing to help you, just let me know what you need
If it is only one (or a few) bloke you have a strong case.
I don't know wether I can be of any help as I am living in Holland.
As Olipro has already admitted he cannot copyright or licence this as he has hacked the AMSS.
"Yes folks... the one you've been waiting for... finally managed to get the patched AMSS to boot... a nice big "up your arse" to Qualcomm."
A hacker cannot licence anything they hack as it is someone elses work in the first place. He is also using a patched Radio rom. This Radio rom is HTC property, and as such he cannot licence that.
These threads are getting very boring, it is about time Olipro got a life, and stopped crying about it.
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^ ouch did he really just do that?
Yeah he did. Only problem with his statement would be if he used Olipro's HardSPL at ANY TIME in the past or present for ANY DEVICE that he wanted to flash a cooked ROM to. Pot calling the bong green? Let's find out...
(insert sarcasm) Hey Tinman, ever flash a cooked ROM onto an HTC device before?
*sigh* Seriously... I support Oli's "right to fair trade". He along with many others developed the tools *we all* use to make our phones as customized as we can make them (big props to you Oli; HardSPL v1 for the Kaiser is on point!), and some pond water scum (he did say it was a bloke, right?) is selling his FREE programs?! Yeah, I'd be looking to "settle" as well. So don't jump down *his* throat saying he needs to get a life. Try the word "hobby", since for most of us that's all it is, and I'm sure cooking, flashing and ROM development is a hobby for him as well.
Oli, you've got support here in the states, especially with us AT&Tingular folks. Keep up the good work, and if you find the fool(s) behind this, shove one of those Cricket paddles in his arse for us! Or at least reach some sort of agreement...
It was Des who first made a hacked spl, Pof then took it a stage further, Olipro's is based on those. So again not his work.
Tinman.
rush242 said:
You guys could probably find something far more productive to do with your time than wasting effort on someone who is selling something that was given away for free.
Just like Monster (like redbull) has been running around, giving away cans of their product. Anyone who wants to can sell those cans to anyone who is willing to pay for them. There's nothing wrong with that, either.
That isn't to say, I don't appreciate your efforts Olipro, I do. But frankly, even if you charged for it, I would pay you because it's worth it to me. Without a second thought as to how you came about it, whether you wrote it.
I simply couldn't care less--neither do any of this guy's buyers. Why should they?
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That is the stupidest example I have ever heard. This is more like someone taking redbull and selling redbull as their own brand, not a different one because they did nothing other than copy the EXACT software, ass.
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Where i live here on the border between mexico and the us people who do **** like that end up swimming face down in the rio grand river
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Where i live here on the border between mexico and the us people who do **** like that end up swimming face down in the rio grand river
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In the UK they got the Themes it might work Oli, just give a big shout out and i'll help!
i'll hold his legs
Doug2873 said:
That is the stupidest example I have ever heard. This is more like someone taking redbull and selling redbull as their own brand, not a different one because they did nothing other than copy the EXACT software, ass.
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The stupidest example you've ever heard, eh? "Well, no offense, lady, but what you don't know could fill a warehouse." --Bart Simpson.
If you buy a can of redbull, or if redbull gives you the can for free, you DO have the right to sell that exact can. Or as many of them as you wish.
You do not have the right to claim the brand as your own, but you do have the right to sell the item. These ROMs, unlockers, bits o' software, et cetera are no different.
The seller cannot claim that he has a copyright on them, or that he wrote them but he is perfectly within his rights to sell them whether anyone likes it or not. Rest assured, he can and will still sell them w/o claiming that he wrote them.
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Where i live here on the border between mexico and the us people who do **** like that end up swimming face down in the rio grand river
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Hey, wouldn't it be grand if HTC, and AT&T and all the other guys that own these ROMs, et cetera, sent thugs to send all of the cookers here into the Rio Grande swimming face down? You know, because it "amounts to ... lets say... theft... and well deserved for a good kickin."
Oh, wait, you don't want that? Why is that, do you think?
Maybe those corporations could all just file suit against these guys? Would that be better?
Or would it be better that, like they do now, they just tacitly accept this stuff and generally ignore it?
i think the only thing you can do is sell your unlocker at a low price and add in one thing that most of the other sellers wont probably do. Give exact help. What better for a buyer to see is that they are buying the item from the creator.
Unfortuanatly there is no legal way to stop these other sellers and as long as good guys like yourself give us free brilliant programs your gonna get the odd ar*ehole thats gonna make money off it.
And to thoughs who ***** about how oli, why read his thread why use his program. God sake if your smart enough create your own program, and i hope you get someone that goes and sells your program and see how you like it!
thanks oli for services to this forum
to the sobs who r hating on oli go to helll. the guy creates/improves a wonderful program and this is how u thank him???? oli i am greatful 4 ur work as i use it.
oli is not making money by helping people get liberation from their piece of **** oem spl/roms; therefore att and htc really can't come after him. seondly if it wasn't for hackers/developers u would not have internet as it is today. hackers weret he ones who built the www. so long live hackers and people like olipro and go to hell corporate lovers.
p.s. i just hope none u losers r using his or any chefs roms ... hypocrits
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to the sobs who r hating on oli go to helll. the guy creates/improves a wonderful program and this is how u thank him???? oli i am greatful 4 ur work as i use it.
oli is not making money by helping people get liberation from their piece of **** oem spl/roms; therefore att and htc really can't come after him. seondly if it wasn't for hackers/developers u would not have internet as it is today. hackers weret he ones who built the www. so long live hackers and people like olipro and go to hell corporate lovers.
p.s. i just hope none u losers r using his or any chefs roms ... hypocrits
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What are you 12? This is nearly incoherent.
No one is saying Oli and the rest can't do what they do, or that other people cannot use their tools. They're saying that once you release something to someone else--you lose control over it, be that some software you hacked, some can of redbull, a used car, or anything else. I love what they do, I pay them for it, and I would even if they charged for it. That doesn't mean that they can control what others do with it.
Yeah, um haxx0rz rulz lol omg!
I have no idea where this topic should go so im putting it here.
Ill start off by saying this: I'm a fifteen year old kid with no money, and sometimes I pirate apps. This isn't about piracy like where should i go for it etc. Because i know that is against the rules. I don't have any way to buy apps or i would, im poor and i don't have a credit or debit card to use. So devs aren't losing money by me pirating. And i know its wrong and i shouldn't do it. Its just the only way to get things sometimes.
If you're still reading and haven't already reported me, here is my story.
Last night i was just messing with my phone, playing games and talking to friends. My phone randomly rebooted and started going into a bootloop of sorts; it would start up and i could get to the homescreen but it was almost unresponsive and i was getting a lot of force closes. I couldn't figure out the issue so i did a backup and a data wipe, planning to restore from TitaniumBackup.
That's when i figured out the problem. My sD card had been completely wiped, all 14 gigs of music, videos, important documents, pictures, apps, everything. It was all gone and replaced with 1037 pictures of a penis with a smiley face drawn on it, captioned "**** you mobilism stop stealing from droidfanz" which i have no idea who mobilism is or what droidfanz is.
I ran recuva on the card hoping to find my files somehow but it only found 3000 more of the pictures along with lots of random pictures of porn and concerts and people jumping off of houses onto mattresses.
I guess im mostly making this thread as 1. A shoutout to mobilism, droidfanz, whoever else caused this to say, you're an ass. Piracy is wrong but there are lots of things you could do that aren't going to destroy my life by deleting all of my personal documents. If i had the ability to buy your apps then i would.
2. A notice to other people... Don't pirate. At least be careful because some developers would rather destroy you than just make it so you can't use their app or something.
That's it. Ban me if you want, i figured i should at least get this out there to warn people. Im going to be trying to restore my life for the next few days anyways.
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Good you deserved this. You stole apps from devs which is like taking there life. It only seems fitting that a dev returns the favor. Hope you learned. Also invest in a pre load debt card so you can legitimately purchase apps. Being broke is not an excuse for piracy and sure as hell wouldn't stand in court. Look at it this way .99 cents for an app or thousands in fees cause you got caught pirating.
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Wow, that's crazy.
Mobilism and Droidfanz are, to the best of my knowledge, warez sites.
Sounds like maybe Droidfaz people are loading files that look like applications, but really are malicious files over to Mobilism in some sort of a war.
Those malicious files could have been further distributed to wherever you go the file from.
I dont agree with you ironlood.
Firstly, fighting fire with fire is not a solution. If someone is doing something wrong, it does not mean that you should do something worse. Revenge is only allowed if it is equal, not worse than the original offence.
Secondly, the OP does not even know if this happened due to a rogue application by a Dev or some hacker at Droidfanz try to get back at mobilism. Its interesting looks like two underground piracy outfits clashing. (I dont know what these sites are, but thats what it sounds like).
I'm not saying piracy is allowed, but lets just not be too anal not to allow extenuating circumstances (although I am not saying this particular case is).
OP, next time stick to free apps only. There is nothing you cant live without.
Wow. I certainly don't pirate apps because I'm a faithful Android fan and truly appreciate the work of the developers. We give them hardly anything for their work so the spare change you pay now and again is well worth it. Sometimes I donate even more after I buy their apps.
That being said, I don't want any chance of this happening to my phone because I downloaded a rogue app that made it to the market or was shared in the community. If someone does that to me, I'll sue them only because I can't physically beat the f*** out of them.
You shouldn't pirate though, bro. Pirate from big corporations like Microsoft as they inflate their prices and can afford it. Don't pirate from the college student who's starving and worse off than you!
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Wow. I certainly don't pirate apps because I'm a faithful Android fan and truly appreciate the work of the developers. We give them hardly anything for their work so the spare change you pay now and again is well worth it. Sometimes I donate even more after I buy their apps.
That being said, I don't want any chance of this happening to my phone because I downloaded a rogue app that made it to the market or was shared in the community. If someone does that to me, I'll sue them only because I can't physically beat the f*** out of them.
You shouldn't pirate though, bro. Pirate from big corporations like Microsoft as they inflate their prices and can afford it. Don't pirate from the college student who's starving and worse off than you!
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lol Its like saying steal from the RICH they won't mind it!
Piracy Is Piracy.
But please don't give me the crap that all of you guys are saints...YOU ARE NOT!
@OP That was a very peculiar "virus". The thing i don't understand that doesn't a virus NOT need superuser permissions(ROOT) to access your system??
Money for an Android mobile and a 16 GB SD card but no 99 Cent to buy an app? That's ridiculous.
And that wasn't done by the developer. You caught a Trojan...
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Did you know that if you walked in a store and stole a shirt, you would get arrested? I'm pretty sure that it wouldn't matter if you were rich or poor and whether or not you could afford it. You got what you deserved.
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Money for an Android mobile and a 16 GB SD card but no 99 Cent to buy an app? That's ridiculous.
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This is true. You obviously could afford to buy apps if you wanted to, you just don't want to because you can get them for free.
Just for the sake of conversation.
Why is it ok to violate your TOS as well as abuse your carrier by getting around their bandwidth usage requirements and tethering options but piracy off applications is wrong?
Who decides what is right and wrong in this situation? The danger to android isn't merely fragmentation, it is the wild west nature of open source and whether developers will continue to contribute at such a rate knowing that there is no law or protection in place to keep their work as financially viable.
These are topics that android will have to deal with and sort whether it is by google or by the community coming to some sort of developer support agreement.
Really is neat watching an industry find its way. I just hope it doesn't get lost in the process.
thanks for sharing about your misfortunes and hopefully you learned from it! Best of luck!
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Money for an Android mobile and a 16 GB SD card but no 99 Cent to buy an app? That's ridiculous.
And that wasn't done by the developer. You caught a Trojan...
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That isn't ridiculous. More like my parents saved up to my me a phone as a birthday present, it was free with the special Christmas deal from US Cellular and it came with the card. Both the phone and card were actually free for my parents to buy and were a birthday present for me, we're just paying for the plan and I still have no money to buy apps.
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Just for the sake of conversation.
Why is it ok to violate your TOS as well as abuse your carrier by getting around their bandwidth usage requirements and tethering options but piracy off applications is wrong?
Who decides what is right and wrong in this situation? The danger to android isn't merely fragmentation, it is the wild west nature of open source and whether developers will continue to contribute at such a rate knowing that there is no law or protection in place to keep their work as financially viable.
These are topics that android will have to deal with and sort whether it is by google or by the community coming to some sort of developer support agreement.
Really is neat watching an industry find its way. I just hope it doesn't get lost in the process.
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I agree. All the people telling me I deserved it.... yeah you are probably right, I shouldn't have done it but you can't say I'm taking money from the dev because no matter what he isn't going to get money from me because I don't have any to give.
And I'm sure you've all stolen music or used a tethering app or something that isn't legal.
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And I'm sure you've all stolen music or used a tethering app or something that isn't legal.
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Get a job. You had this coming, as far as I'm concerned.
The whole penis thing might be a little extreme but i guess you deserved it.
What comes around goes around, you steal apps and now you lost everything. Being broke is not an excuse for being a douch-bag and stealing apps. I don't think telling a judge I was broke so I stole it would be a good defense. Not to mention you "stole" an item that is not something you need to live like stealing food not that that is ok either. I hope this was a lesson learned.
sageDIEU, fair play to you for openly telling your story.. you've probably learnt your lesson anyway now, although your reasons are more than dubious (still doesn't make it right in my opinion, just because I've not got the money now or ever to buy a ferrari, doesn't mean I can just go and pinch one)
The only issue I have, is that some developers expect you to pay for a product that has no decent demo. There's plenty of people producing crap apps for android and other OS's and expecting money for it. I've already paid for quite a few apps that have turned out to be a complete waste of money. I'd rather try an app (by whatever means) and then I'll gladly pay the developer for his work if it's a good product, if it's not, it doesn't stay on my phone and the developer won't get my dough.
Just about everyone uses a hacked app for whatever reason in their life. I don't judge anyone for doing so, but you should never ever keep important files on just 1 storage location. You can always lose/break it.
Learn from this!
Try searching for undelete/unformat software. Maybe you will be able to recover some of it. Good luck..
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lol Its like saying steal from the RICH they won't mind it!
Piracy Is Piracy.
But please don't give me the crap that all of you guys are saints...YOU ARE NOT!
@OP That was a very peculiar "virus". The thing i don't understand that doesn't a virus NOT need superuser permissions(ROOT) to access your system??
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Corporations rob consumers, they're the only ones I would not feel bad about when it comes to pirating. I don't need commercial apps from huge corps most of the time though, outside of an OS. There are usually freeware versions which are better and have direct support from the developer. I'd rather have a free app with customizations and bug fixes from direct developer correspondence than a commercial app from a huge corp in most cases. Wouldn't you?
And **** off with the saint comment. I'm not elitist. I just think if a hard working Joe does a good job, I'd rather commend him instead of some money grubbing corporation. This is a tight community. And would you rather give a friend money or a stranger money? I'd rather give a friend money, any day of the week. Especially if they've developed an app that I use EVERY SINGLE DAY and only paid a dollar or two for!!!!
You guys are so ****ing cheap. End of story. I hope your phones get hacked. There's absolutely no reason to ***** about a dollar or two here and there for an app that you'll use day in, day out.
All of you people giving analogies of 'pirating' with 'stealing' do not know what an IP is. That analogy is WRONG.
Also, you really think rooting your phone and installing custom roms is not a violation?
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Just about everyone uses a hacked app for whatever reason in their life. I don't judge anyone for doing so, but you should never ever keep important files on just 1 storage location. You can always lose/break it.
Learn from this!
Try searching for undelete/unformat software. Maybe you will be able to recover some of it. Good luck..
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Agreed, and I doubt you were punished by the developper you stole apps from.
You should really be carefull on what you install, especially on those uncontrolled warez sites.
So today I was greeted with a simple PM that quickly escalated to nonsense for no reason. I am putting it here because I wan't to hear the community's thoughts on this. I have erased the user's name and other information to avoid any humiliation. Please keep your discussion specific and don't flame. Blue color for my conversation and green color for the other party.
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Hello, just love your Berry Black Keyboard Theme!
would like to download it, it's posted as free on xda - clicking on link you've provided - and it appears to be paid. maybe some kind of mistake.
can you please be so kind sharing?
and do you have webmoney accound so i can donate? we don't have / can't pay through paypal in ukraine.
thank you.
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It's not for free sorry. I made a mistake in the thread, I have updated it now.
You can buy from slideme app store they allow world wide users to buy apps easily.
Berry white and ICS Froyo are the two free keyboards.
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LOL first developer not sharing 1$ eight png images to the other person kindly asking. even if he asked by mistake and willing to donate for the app he thought was free.
checked slideme - same thing with my country, anyway the deal is not about the money.
maybe i think so because i do some serious stuff in real life.
but i will never understand how 1$ and some png images can beat kind words.
wish you all the best - so your life changes the way 1 bucks won't be such an issue.
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Thats the whole point my friend. A bunch of images and random colors organized in a nice fashion is what makes it worth something. Just like mining gold. Have you ever asked the question why there is no berry black keyboard theme in the market in the first place ? Theres literally thousands of free keyboard theme apps and not one black berry styled keyboard ? Why ?
And as for sharing a $1 app, I've had users email me and they were kind enough to do a video for it as well. You are like the 100th person to ask me for free. If I gave all the other 100 people the theme for free then whats in it for me ? Like seriously ? In normal case scenario if a person has a life and other things to do why would he make and then do all the extra overhead work of creating icons and market listing and upload it and then give it out for free ? I would have given you the app anyways after you checked and told me what happened with slideme but like others you too had no patience and had to add your own smart comments.
Your right It's not about money, I give out free apps every week. People like you need to realize that $1 not because its worth $1 but because it will not sell at higher prices. It takes about 15 hours to finish a keyboard theme from start to finish and testing it on all resolutions. So if my rate of earning were to be even $10 per hour then its 10x15=$150. Which means until I sell 150 keyboard themes I have not earned enough. And then comes the 100+ people who want it for free. This is why developers quit in the middle of working on kernels and roms here in xda because when people want something they will make noise but not work on it themselves. When someone does it for them they got even more complains.
Unlike other designers here on xda I fight for designers. I don't care about your $1.
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are all these people live somewhere where electronic money transactions are REALLY hard. ebay doesn't even accept transactions for random goods to anyone in ex-ussr. didn't know that, sure?
were all these people thinking it was free and willing to donate even more than you want for it (i didn't even notice it was 1$ until i started with slideme) but with webmoney which we have exchange for?
that's not a reason for you, you're thinking of other 100 free askers and all that pity math. you concerned about money more than you try to imply, believe me it's well seen.
now as for stuff you call desiiiign - a simple recent example of an app everyone uses WhatsApp modded
price was the same as you 8 png images but this person did MUCH more work, including photoshop, smali editing compiling etc etc etc. 15 hours for your skin? than how much for testing and drawing the whole app? it'll take a year with that productivity.
and concerning the marketing question, believe me, a lot more users would download themed whatsapp with extra features not implemented by developer itself, rather than one of thousand keyboard skins.
guess what, he is giving it out for free when it was paid and than made it donate version. yes he can sell thousand of copies of this skin but he doesn't.
he earns money for his work but he is not shaking for every bucks when situation doesn't worth it and stay a real man. you live not far from russia, hope you understand the meaning of being a man in our meaning. there are things men can not afford because they're too cheap for them. not literally of course.
and the xda full of those examples.
free apps, kernels, roms, mods! years of man work for free. all this stuff needs much more knowledge and work than those 8 images you call design. and all this app can be successfully sold! but they're not. how do you think why? as for berry keyboard and first places - there's just nothing special about it no one looks for it and no one downloads it that's why it's not on a first place LOL.
donations and earning money for any work is good.
but being such a principle person in such a simple situation - trading for such a mediocre work makes me smile.
believe me, if you were such a principle person with EVERYTHING in your life you won't think about 100xxxwhatever persons 150xxxwhatever dollars and all that funny numbers. so you're not that sharp. and you're telling me you don't care about 1$. that's a funny stuff showing me i was right from the beginning.
and for the keyboard we were talking about - already got that
Order date: March 4, 2012 11:47:50 AM PST
Berry Black Keyboard
CA$1.00
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CA$1.00
- doesn't look as good as it was on a screenshot - won't use it, deserves a refund in my opinion, but i won't, just because i prefer to be principle in real life with some really worthy stuff and can afford a bunch of so-called "Designer_Stuff organized in nice fashion".
just to support person who says he doesn't care for 1$ and stands for designers, but writes a huge explanation with examples from 1$ math and doesn't have anything we call design on his deviantart. keep believing LOL
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So first you message me that you love the theme and you want it for free because you cannot buy it. Next you buy from market somehow and now your complaining. I just proved my point. Your purchase has been refunded. I did not come knocking on your door you came to me trying to be cheap. You can say what you want about my deviantart I dont really care, I do things my way. You wrote an entire essay complaining maybe you could have used that time to design your own keyboard that will satisfy your needs.
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you're funny little person.
i was trying to donate for free app. remember/no? how's your memory today?
needed to ask another person to download it for me, than send money to him through webmoney... a lot of actions to do. taken about an hour, ain't it too much for a couple of images?
that's why i asked it for free first.
but such a looser like you would better believe someone tried to cheat him for 1$. greedy piece of LOL can see nothing but money. you thought someone would even bother to write a message not to pay 1$? are you that retard to not understand how small that amount is for anybody in this world?
i buy "designers" with such "creativity" and way of thinking you just clearly demonstrated for a couple of hundreds per dosen. believe me i didn't mean to steal you dollar. LOOOOOOOOOL
you've made a refund? funny enough i've noticed your apk on some other forum. so doesn't really matter. if i'd find this leaked version earlier i wouldn't meet a man that don't deserve being a man. greedy pays twice, or loosing a lot of potential buyers one way or another.
first impression is the right one. cheap stuff smells in a special way and shows itself in everything related to a person.
now get lost, tired of your pathetic mind.
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I told you before you would have got your theme for free but you had to be sarcastic from start thats why you didnt get it. If you were nice you could have avoided everything but you chose this course of action. As for the apk in another forum you just proved that you wanted to pirate it in the first place, thats why you were still looking for it in the other forums. You thought it would be nice if you could ask me directly for it so you dont feel guilty. I get many people like you every day and this is not support. I don't need nagging people like you to support me when I have the support of my designer friends in deviantart. They see something in me and you don't, go figure why. All the kernels and roms and free stuff I use from xda I have personally offered all those devs my apps for free. Some agreed others said they will buy it from the market. I don't need to explain anything to you but I'm being nice and explaining to you so your narrow one sided mind can understand that it was you who messed it up. Your the pathetic one with zero patience.
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i didnt need your theme for free clown! i needed it with less possible actions to download. see the difference?
it would be nice to ask not to feel guilty? for what? i'd use it if i like it and so what? it wouldnt work if i dont buy it? why spending time sending message waiting for answer. why talk to some clerk thinking he is a designer?
are you retard tell me? or you think sun walks around you? that's getting funniest conversation ever. you live in interesting world where you believe in some idiotic stuff you wanna believe and proving it further. that youre designer, that someone will talk to you for 1$ hahaha too much for your pity self. telling you once again - no one writes message for 1$ believe me.
you don't need to explain? you were just offered to get lost but you still here smelling in my PM. why? because im right. zero are you and you can do nothing with it. you are angry because you understand that people see how pathetic everything you do and wanna call design. its worth 1$ nothing more you're right.
youre offering apps for free to devs stuff you use? how about others? or you're only a tradewhore offering 8 images for whole kernel rom etc?. think its equal? how convinient. its like nothing to 1$ even less, we are talking about.
do you understand how low are you telling this stuff as an argument. and who uses your great skins in their roms? never seen it anywhere even for free.
get lost you're plankton, prooved in three variations.
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Moral of the story, no more PM's for me. No one is pointing a gun at your head and making you buy my apps.
Don't respond to the trolls, especially when they can't write in proper English.
Agreed, don't feed the trolls. They never are grateful for it.
Now I know what a troll is...
retareq said:
Now I know what a troll is...
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essentially if it is something that makes you angry or makes you want to write a long message in reply to explain yourself and rant about it, delete it.
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essentially if it is something that makes you angry or makes you want to write a long message in reply to explain yourself and rant about it, delete it.
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Good advice. Its in effect right now.
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Don't respond to the trolls, especially when they can't write in proper English.
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Wow that was serious stuff. And his English its understandable. People are crazy nowadays
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Don't let idiots get you down buddy. I'm sure this made you very upset - I myself would have been livid. But fortunately people like this don't make their opinion valid in too many ways that come across as reasonable or pointed. Them trolls are insignificant in the long run - you know how hard you work on your many projects and what they're worth, as does anyone else with half a brain
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Don't let idiots get you down buddy. I'm sure this made you very upset - I myself would have been livid. But fortunately people like this don't make their opinion valid in too many ways that come across as reasonable or pointed. Them trolls are insignificant in the long run - you know how hard you work on your many projects and what they're worth, as does anyone else with half a brain
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Surprisingly I am not upset or livid. I was at first but I took this opportunity to train myself to be nice in stressful situations. I think I did well
Name & shame! Obviously wanted app for free, that's why they kept the focus on not wanting to pay "1$" and making personal insults.
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And this is why I just assume everyone who's not American is a Terrorist. And I do not negotiate with Terrorists.
we don't have / can't pay through paypal in ukraine.
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lol
What a flapwit.
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It's 2012 the sob story of any problem is now an alarm bell..... Especially when based on any value of of real $..
I lost my mind and faith in humanity in my last few sales jobs... Apparently too honest to survive... People would blatantly lie to me in the dumbest ways thinking it would save them a penny...
When will people learn that only your mom thinks your the best or smartest...
And to the people who believe that you could out canive everyone on survivor, is the reason why north america is about to fall under its own incapability to be efficient... all this weaseling is making it impossible to do anything right the first time.... Integrity is dead..
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Sadly for him, you don't owe him anything. You are free to sell your work for any amount of money. You are free to be a slow designer and take plenty of time to do work that would apparently take shorter. It's not your fault he cannot buy your work. It's not your fault the economy is what it is. It's not your fault you're part of a bigger machine, as one of the billion cogwheels that actually needs to work to be able to afford their food and other items. Or just to buy your second multi million dollars yacht. None of anyone's business.
He never had the intention to buy in the first place, otherwise he would just have done so. He did it later on only to prove his point rather than to acknowledge of your work. If you were treated as his equal, he would have had no qualms about putting as much work as you did to buy it. Instead, he started diminishing your work, insulting your efficiency and your talent.
If you were to deliver software for free, then it would be because you wanted to. You're not instantly a better person because you give your work for free, and if someone does this to get a good reputation, then I believe you're not doing it for the good reason. I've gave work for free before. Plenty of time was spent with no remuneration other than a thank you and a smile and I've felt good about that. But on the other side, I've had plenty of remuneration, in the form of monetary compensation, for things I would do naturally without expecting anything in return. All in all, it balances.
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Sadly for him, you don't owe him anything. You are free to sell your work for any amount of money. You are free to be a slow designer and take plenty of time to do work that would apparently take shorter. It's not your fault he cannot buy your work. It's not your fault the economy is what it is. It's not your fault you're part of a bigger machine, as one of the billion cogwheels that actually needs to work to be able to afford their food and other items. Or just to buy your second multi million dollars yacht. None of anyone's business.
He never had the intention to buy in the first place, otherwise he would just have done so. He did it later on only to prove his point rather than to acknowledge of your work. If you were treated as his equal, he would have had no qualms about putting as much work as you did to buy it. Instead, he started diminishing your work, insulting your efficiency and your talent.
If you were to deliver software for free, then it would be because you wanted to. You're not instantly a better person because you give your work for free, and if someone does this to get a good reputation, then I believe you're not doing it for the good reason. I've gave work for free before. Plenty of time was spent with no remuneration other than a thank you and a smile and I've felt good about that. But on the other side, I've had plenty of remuneration, in the form of monetary compensation, for things I would do naturally without expecting anything in return. All in all, it balances.
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+1 Nicely said
Here's a place where we can all hang out, relax talk bout things not related to android without clogging up other threads. All I ask is, don't flame people or start a fight.
So pull up a stool drinks are on the house, first round is on me.
Trying to decide where to spend my time, Diablo 3, counterstrike source, customizing my new A700, or actually study so I'm prepared at my rotations and don't get destroyed by my preceptor. Whatever it is, it will involve a gin/juice. Decisions decisions...
Heh... I'm getting married in 2 weeks!
I've been eagerly awaiting an HD Android tablet... and my fiancee's been fawning over upgrading her iPad 1 to an iPad 3. A month or two back, we were in Best Buy for something else & she wanders over to browse the iPad3. I ask "should we just get each other tablets for wedding gifts? Seriously, what would you rather have... earrings... or an iPad3?" Guess her answer... and that's why she's a keeper!
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Trying to decide where to spend my time, Diablo 3...
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Been spending a fair amount of time with D3 as well, but wedding prep is putting a crimp on that. Was hoping to finally hit Inferno before the wedding, but now that I have an A700 on the way, that probably won't happen!
Congrats my friend. Especially on finding z nerd and hanging on. Too bad she prefers is it, but my other half is the same way to the good Comes the with the bad(she understands my feelings towards I rap, just not as tech saavy ax I have the privilege of being) . Sad thing is she won't even let me jail brake it. Nevertheless, I hope you enjoy the 700, I'm more than happy with it and can't wait for custom rooms to push me to customize it beyond where it is Now. These things always excite me, been a nexus junkie for over a year now and love it.
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@Screwedupsmitty
I would spend it with customizing my A700 but I have to less time at the moment.
@Beknatok
Congratulation Beknatok I hope you and your wife get happy together
I began thinking this yesterday and I don't know if it's because I just can't knock sense into people's skulls, or if they are so ignorant to take my advice.
I HATE iPhone buyers/fanboys(some people have to use them for work.)
I have this person who asked me if I saw the gathering of mindless idiots yesterday (I'm paraphrasing) I said yes but then he (a current iPhone user) told me he was buying it because it's "sexy" I proceeded to tell him the spec bump from the 4s was minimal and that it has nothing on the top current Android phone. He then proceeded to tell me he doesn't care and he's still going to buy it anyway. Please help me understand this? Now I don't know if it is that I don't get where he's coming from or if he's just a darn idiot.
I understand and am in complete agreance that if you use Macs at home apple is a good way to go for you. BUT he doesn't... He is a sheep.
Now on to my point... I hate apple... Not only hate, but I'd love to see Apple fail miserably (not the people employed, but the company and the ones that call the shots) just one time I want to see a tech blogger ask questions like, "How confident and how do you feel about your product entering the market while your competition is beating your current specs?" or one of them yell out "WOW YOU MINIMALLY INCREASED 4 SPECS AND AN OS UPDATE FU**ING BRILLIANT!!!" My very own cousin and brother in law are trapped with the sheep.
My brother in law called me and asked me what I thought... I ended up hanging up on him in utter frustration because he failed to listen... It's like he can't wait to throw money at them...
That's not all though, the technology bogs even call it brilliant... And they won't shut the fu## up about it... Dude its got a sapphire lense (watch faces are made out of this...) Dude its optics are precision aligned (how the fu$$ else do you expect to take pictures if your optics aren't aligned with precision?) and everyone eats it up.
Here lately I feel really smart... But I also can't stand to talk to idiots who are the iPhone sheep.
I could go into Apples patent hungry team and using them as weapons but we all know that.
Why am I this way? What can I do to ensure I can coexist with these dumb heads? Any advice before I go insane? Am I in the wrong? Should I be on something? I'm literally at my last nerve and am about to deck someone the next time the word iPhone comes out their da*n mouth.
Thanks in advance,
-sick of it
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pyrostic said:
I began thinking this yesterday and I don't know if it's because I just can't knock sense into people's skulls, or if they are so ignorant to take my advice.
I HATE iPhone buyers/fanboys(some people have to use them for work.)
I have this person who asked me if I saw the gathering of mindless idiots yesterday (I'm paraphrasing) I said yes but then he (a current iPhone user) told me he was buying it because it's "sexy" I proceeded to tell him the spec bump from the 4s was minimal and that it has nothing on the top current Android phone. He then proceeded to tell me he doesn't care and he's still going to buy it anyway. Please help me understand this? Now I don't know if it is that I don't get where he's coming from or if he's just a darn idiot.
I understand and am in complete agreance that if you use Macs at home apple is a good way to go for you. BUT he doesn't... He is a sheep.
Now on to my point... I hate apple... Not only hate, but I'd love to see Apple fail miserably (not the people employed, but the company and the ones that call the shots) just one time I want to see a tech blogger ask questions like, "How confident and how do you feel about your product entering the market while your competition is beating your current specs?" or one of them yell out "WOW YOU MINIMALLY INCREASED 4 SPECS AND AN OS UPDATE FU**ING BRILLIANT!!!" My very own cousin and brother in law are trapped with the sheep.
My brother in law called me and asked me what I thought... I ended up hanging up on him in utter frustration because he failed to listen... It's like he can't wait to throw money at them...
That's not all though, the technology bogs even call it brilliant... And they won't shut the fu## up about it... Dude its got a sapphire lense (watch faces are made out of this...) Dude its optics are precision aligned (how the fu$$ else do you expect to take pictures if your optics aren't aligned with precision?) and everyone eats it up.
Here lately I feel really smart... But I also can't stand to talk to idiots who are the iPhone sheep.
I could go into Apples patent hungry team and using them as weapons but we all know that.
Why am I this way? What can I do to ensure I can coexist with these dumb heads? Any advice before I go insane? Am I in the wrong? Should I be on something? I'm literally at my last nerve and am about to deck someone the next time the word iPhone comes out their da*n mouth.
Thanks in advance,
-sick of it
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LOL! Sounds like someone has Apple issues. JK.
I personally hate iPhone as well and their users love it and I can never understand. Grr
I have 2 MAC Pro's in the house and 2 HP Beat's laptops I like their MAC's (other than that forget it) Honestly I don't see why anyone would buy the i5 when they have an i4 already.
Looks the same doesn't know anything more than the i4. The only reason I see people getting it for a reason is if they want to rock on Verizon's awesome 4G LTE since other carrier's 4g still su*k
Honeslty the i4/5 (same thing) has nothing on the GS3. Our phones beat the crap out of them any day or night oh don't make me forget anytime! :laugh:
(oh and what you said that iphone users don't listen geeezz your so right have the same problem & it makes me mad as hell since I've been dealing with cell phones ever since I was 12yrs old lol)
Ive owned iPhones. They are good phones, but not what the fanboys make out of them. Id never own one again, not my cup of tea.
Funny vid out there of fanboys given iPhone 4S's and were told the were iPhone 5's. They bought the story. idiots they are!
Ill stick to my androids
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Ive owned iPhones. They are good phones, but not what the fanboys make out of them. Id never own one again, not my cup of tea.
Funny vid out there of fanboys given iPhone 4S's and were told the were iPhone 5's. They bought the story. idiots they are!
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yes this is one of them lol: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdIWKytq_q4&feature=youtube_gdata_player
"Sexy"?
The phone has been elongated slightly in one dimension and is thinner, with slightly bevelled edges that look mechanical more than fluid to me. Contrast this with the fluid look and feel of a S3, for example. The iPhone 5 still just a (patented) rounded rectangle. "Sexy"?
iOS6 is certainly an improvement, but it's otherwise still (mostly) just a bunch of icons in a matrix format. Yeah, I can see how that would get someone moist.
- ooofest
i figured itout the other day talking to some firends when they asked me about my phone.
i showed them roms i had, different icons, widgets, etc.
they had NO interest in any of that. they use their phones for games, making calls, texting and going on facebook. they dont want or need any other features. They loved it. thought it was cool, but no interest
thats the AVERAGE consumer. the people here arent average consumers.
and thats where the line is drawn. if you werent technlogically sound, didnt find the need to open a laptop wouldnt you want to have your ipod and phone together? Its maketed to the mass public. and it meets their needs. They dont need to have a quad core processor. Their customer base wont know or care what that is.
Here is what it is. If you take an old android phone and ask apple to put their logo on as "iphone6" on it then sell it. It's going to sell like cup cakes. The moral of the story is. Iphone fan boys are PUPPETS= NO BRAINERS=LOW IQ.=YOUNG TEENAGERS=OLD FARTs. End of discussion.
Whoaho. Buddy I am a young teenager and I feel your pain. But not all teenagers r like an isheep. Now 99% of teenage girls. Yes. Yes they r. They don't care about specs and all. They know apple is the cool thing and so they fork over their parents money to get one. Now I must admit teenagers r much more prown to falling into the isheepiness. I was once one. I thought my ipod was the thing. It was perfect! But then I found out about jail breaking and all that put a horrid android skin on it and loved android. Now I was like 12 and ever since thirteen always been android. Samsung galaxy s3 and nexus 7.
IPhone are girl phones. I usually only see girls with them. But they're great for older people that want a smart phone, or someone that wants something simple.
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IPhone are girl phones. I usually only see girls with them. But they're great for older people that want a smart phone, or someone that wants something simple.
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Er, I don't like to classify most things with the schoolyard "boy" and "girl" label from a cultural perspective, and easily see as many males as females with iPhones.
I do agree that for people not in touch or interested in technology, thetedious, foolproof (i.e., dumb) iOS interface with a single button has a degree of attraction.
- ooofest