[OFFICIAL] HANG OUT THREAD - Acer Iconia A700 and A510

Here's a place where we can all hang out, relax talk bout things not related to android without clogging up other threads. All I ask is, don't flame people or start a fight.
So pull up a stool drinks are on the house, first round is on me.

Trying to decide where to spend my time, Diablo 3, counterstrike source, customizing my new A700, or actually study so I'm prepared at my rotations and don't get destroyed by my preceptor. Whatever it is, it will involve a gin/juice. Decisions decisions...

Heh... I'm getting married in 2 weeks!
I've been eagerly awaiting an HD Android tablet... and my fiancee's been fawning over upgrading her iPad 1 to an iPad 3. A month or two back, we were in Best Buy for something else & she wanders over to browse the iPad3. I ask "should we just get each other tablets for wedding gifts? Seriously, what would you rather have... earrings... or an iPad3?" Guess her answer... and that's why she's a keeper!
Screwedupsmitty said:
Trying to decide where to spend my time, Diablo 3...
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Been spending a fair amount of time with D3 as well, but wedding prep is putting a crimp on that. Was hoping to finally hit Inferno before the wedding, but now that I have an A700 on the way, that probably won't happen!

Congrats my friend. Especially on finding z nerd and hanging on. Too bad she prefers is it, but my other half is the same way to the good Comes the with the bad(she understands my feelings towards I rap, just not as tech saavy ax I have the privilege of being) . Sad thing is she won't even let me jail brake it. Nevertheless, I hope you enjoy the 700, I'm more than happy with it and can't wait for custom rooms to push me to customize it beyond where it is Now. These things always excite me, been a nexus junkie for over a year now and love it.
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@Screwedupsmitty
I would spend it with customizing my A700 but I have to less time at the moment.
@Beknatok
Congratulation Beknatok I hope you and your wife get happy together

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The G-Tablet has ruined my life!

In a good way
This is the most game-changing piece of equipment I have had since I built my first PC from mail-order parts in the early 80s. I sincerely believe the G-Tab is the best-kept tech secret going today, especially with the efforts of all the nice folks here at xdadevelopers.
Some background: I am a VP for a tech service company and run some pretty powerful iron for the company so I have high standards for performance. I just don't have time to sit and watch hourglasses and "loading" pages all day.
When I decided I wanted to take the plunge into "tablife," I spent plenty of time reading reviews and forum posts and then found this website. After lurking for a week or so, all I read told me this was the tab for me. So I got one.
The rest is history. After doing all recommended stock updates and deciding "yeah, this really is a potential jewel," I went ahead and got root and then flashed the enhancement pack. I had no external SD card until last night, so I will be doing the REAL flashing this weekend some time. I have to say though, the enhancement pack and addition of (a working) marketplace makes all the difference in the world. I may even run it this way for a while.
But now my days are filled with searching for the elusive "perfect app" to replace the Windows one I use on my regular PCs and laptops. Thank god for this place and all the resources of the web - I think I will be able to do everything I need to with this.
Of course, now I have to have a keyboard/case and docking station and any other possible peripheral I can jam onto it!
I empathize with you totally! Since I got a Gtab, my poor ipad has seen very little use...
Rarley use a pc anymore....
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I use my gtab for daily web browsing but I still feel it is lacking something for my daily use. For example, entering comment to the xda forum is too slow using my gtab, as I still use my laptop for blog, etc. Otherwise, I think that I put my laptop to rest.. forever.
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In a good way
This is the most game-changing piece of equipment I have had since I built my first PC from mail-order parts in the early 80s. I sincerely believe the G-Tab is the best-kept tech secret going today, especially with the efforts of all the nice folks here at xdadevelopers.
Some background: I am a VP for a tech service company and run some pretty powerful iron for the company so I have high standards for performance. I just don't have time to sit and watch hourglasses and "loading" pages all day.
When I decided I wanted to take the plunge into "tablife," I spent plenty of time reading reviews and forum posts and then found this website. After lurking for a week or so, all I read told me this was the tab for me. So I got one.
The rest is history. After doing all recommended stock updates and deciding "yeah, this really is a potential jewel," I went ahead and got root and then flashed the enhancement pack. I had no external SD card until last night, so I will be doing the REAL flashing this weekend some time. I have to say though, the enhancement pack and addition of (a working) marketplace makes all the difference in the world. I may even run it this way for a while.
But now my days are filled with searching for the elusive "perfect app" to replace the Windows one I use on my regular PCs and laptops. Thank god for this place and all the resources of the web - I think I will be able to do everything I need to with this.
Of course, now I have to have a keyboard/case and docking station and any other possible peripheral I can jam onto it!
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Since you're in mgmt in a tech Co., and now that you've experienced the Gtab, it'd be interesting to try to leverage tech like this in the 'real world's!
Jim
Yeah it will probably ruin my marriage.
cbmoore9 said:
Yeah it will probably ruin my marriage.
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LOL.....I had to get one for the wife too so it wouldn't ruin mine!!
cbmoore9 said:
Yeah it will probably ruin my marriage.
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Do what I did, buy one for wife too. Lol!
cbmoore9 said:
Yeah it will probably ruin my marriage.
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Oh boy...
ditto
I'm new to Android, new to rooting and new to modding. I've had my GTab for about two weeks now, and during that time I've read just about every page in the GTab development forum on xda, on Android Forums, on Droidpirates and any other GTab site I could Google (I'm 73, retired, and have lots & lots of free time).
Thanks to the dedicated devs and other helpful members of these sites, and following their instructions and advice, I've gone from knowing absolutely nothing about Android to developing the confidence to successfully flash the TnT enhancement pack, TnTLite 4.1, and currently VEGAn 5.1. This within a period of two weeks; all ran fine with no issues at all--except the well-documented ones that are constantly being tackled and solved.
In these posts, I've watched the evolution of this machine from its perception as a near useless piece of crap at its introduction to its present state as the best tablet on the market today, bar none; one that will go head to head with the best to come this year.
It's really exciting to see these talented devs get down into the heart of this tablet and coax it into becoming all that it's capable of being; it's almost like being present at childbirth. The most exciting part is that we all get to participate in this birth. And now, the pace of development is picking up even more, and our devs are branching out into new territory; I can hardly wait to see what magic they'll perform next!
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I'm new to Android, new to rooting and new to modding. I've had my GTab for about two weeks now, and during that time I've read just about every page in the GTab development forum on xda, on Android Forums, on Droidpirates and any other GTab site I could Google (I'm 73, retired, and have lots & lots of free time).
Thanks to the dedicated devs and other helpful members of these sites, and following their instructions and advice, I've gone from knowing absolutely nothing about Android to developing the confidence to successfully flash the TnT enhancement pack, TnTLite 4.1, and currently VEGAn 5.1. This within a period of two weeks; all ran fine with no issues at all--except the well-documented ones that are constantly being tackled and solved.
In these posts, I've watched the evolution of this machine from its perception as a near useless piece of crap at its introduction to its present state as the best tablet on the market today, bar none; one that will go head to head with the best to come this year.
It's really exciting to see these talented devs get down into the heart of this tablet and coax it into becoming all that it's capable of being; it's almost like being present at childbirth. The most exciting part is that we all get to participate in this birth. And now, the pace of development is picking up even more, and our devs are branching out into new territory; I can hardly wait to see what magic they'll perform next!
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Well said!
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Yeah it will probably ruin my marriage.
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My son is in first grade and just learning to write... when learnlng the B he had to write some lines with arbitrary words... the whole last line was:
"Tablet tablet tablet tablet tablet"
Does that mean his life's ruined now as well? At age of 6...
At work I manage service tickets, and download drivers.
At home I surf the web, check sports scores, and manage rpg characters
Yep, the Gtablet is the first thing I see in the morning before getting of bed, read the news. Wife is jealous, but she does not know that I have one for her also.
By the way, if anyone is interested, for your hd video, I get silky smooth playbay of video out of the Sanyo HD2000a camcorder by converting it to the mkv [email protected] bitrate, 1920/1080, mp3 audio. All my camera recordings are at 1920x1080 60fps.
Mikeg1969 said:
LOL.....I had to get one for the wife too so it wouldn't ruin mine!!
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astevens54 said:
Do what I did, buy one for wife too. Lol!
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I feel your pain (in the wallet), see my sig below. At first it was cute hearing "are the birds angry", "can I have the tablet to play Angry Birds", etc. But I realized I was getting less and less time with it. It replaced my iPod Touch and a Netbook, both sitting lonely now.

A sincere and heartfelt "thank you" from a bona-fide n00b.

A quick background about me: I started looking at picking up a tablet around the end of December for my January birthday. I'm a huge Android fanboi, and have been toying around with/incessantly ROMing my rooted Droid1 for over a year now, so I wanted to step it up a notch and get a tablet that had a reasonably large development backing. And then I found out about the G-tablet. It seemed an almost unobtainable mix of top-of-the-line specs along with hackable software. I had to act on it. I convinced my mom that this was the ONLY thing I wanted for my birthday, and all that I asked for was a nominal (less than 1/4) assistance toward the purchase of the $380 device. She agreed, and I excitedly bought my G-Tab about a week and a half ago. Since then, I've been completely unable to tear myself away from this forum; the activeness of the development community here for the G-Tab is even greater than I imagined, and on an almost daily basis I find a new reason to spend more and more time here (hello Notion Ink ports/forthcoming Honeycomb ports!!!). You guys are seriously a wonderful and brilliant community. I'm sincerely thankful for the great group of people who are significantly smarter than me and are able to do incredible things with such an incredible piece of hardware. I got this device because it was about as hackable a piece of hardware as one could get, and while the development portion of that hackability could have led to a lot of frustration and disappointment, it has MORE THAN met my expectations. As a result, I've got a rooted, custom ROM'd device with a Hulu hack, full market hack, and Swype hack. I honestly couldn't have possibly extracted more value out of a $380 purchase in any theoretical world, and I attribute that all to you, the active developers here.
I know this is my first post and I'm a total n00b, but I really do appreciate what all of you devs have done here, and I wanted to let you all know that.
Thanks, sincerely.
Very nice first post and welcome to Gtab Android Heaven!
Thanks a lot :-D. I hope to one day contribute to this active and robust community. Cheers.
Welcome, not too many people ever say thanks, always *****ing about something not working. Some of these people here are scary smart!
If you have been molesting a droid for over a year, you are nowhere NEAR the n00b I was when I got my Gtab a few weeks ago. I had only seen a couple of droid phones in person, but I liked what I saw. Droid users I have shown my Gtab to have been really impressed with it. The most common comment is "damn that's fast!" (I am running Vegan and loving it.)
And you are so right about these fora, lots of sharp folks here with good instructions (if you are careful to follow them) for just about anything you might need to squeeze onto the tab. I also have yet to see anyone get ugly in a thread like you see in so many other places.
A supportive development community like this can change a lot of things and I am glad to have found it!
Nice post. I like you, was hardly active here at all until I discovered the g tablet. I have since been barely able to tear myself away from the g tablet forum here. A sincere thanks from me as well to the guys doing the hard work making these tablets what they are.
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Welcome, not too many people ever say thanks, always *****ing about something not working.
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LOL! So true.
If you got half a lick of sense and take the time to do your research (before asking stupid or repetitive questions) this community will bend over backwards to help you. I spent about a year researching tablets and when the g-tablet hit this site I realized it's potential and knew it was time to dive in. I've never owned an Android device until buying the g-tab Mid December and the amount I've learned from the smart folks here is phenominal, and i still feel like a noob. Each day is a new learning experience. Kick back and enjoy the ride!
Im Another noob who has purchased a G-Tab because of the fact that so many of you Devs are doing such a great job with this tablet and sharing your efforts with all the rest of us noobs.
Up till around 2 months ago id had basically no contact with Android other than i knew it was a mobile phone OS by Google. Had never seen it, basically knew nothing about it other than its name.
I had been here to XDA before as i used to own a Dopod mobile phone, and i was using a windows mobile rom from here.
So i was so happy to see that the ipad had started a great new tablet trend (not a ipad fan, but realise if it wasnt for the ipad, the current trend may never have happened). So i was excited when Tablets started kicking off, always wanted one. So i started searching for an alternative to the ipad.
The first tablet i almost bought was a "WeTab", a German 11.6 inch made tablet, it sounded great on paper, great specs, but after i started reading the user reviews, i decided that it wasnt the right tablet for me. Weak touch screen and poor software support put me off.
So i kept looking for the right tablet to get, after a while i settled between either the Gtat, or the Archos. I wanted a 10 inch and these both looked like great tablets. The software review for the G-tab were not good at all, but the hardware specs looked better to me than the Archos.
Since ive been using PC's for almost 20 years now i knew full well Viewsonic was a good brand name, and even if they didnt manufacture the products, it was the quality that went with the name that made me consider the G-tab.
But it wasnt till i checked XDA to see if you guys were doing anything with the G-tab that i realised that thanks to you guys the weak ended software side of the G-tab was not a real issue. That you guys had taken the G-Tab and made it a monster in the jungle
I ordered 1 from Amazon, which i learned i could by one from a thread here, and around 2 weeks later it turned up. Ive been having a ball messing with it ever since, Android is great, and you guys make it even greater.
Sorry if i rambled a bit here but i just wanted to say "THANK YOU" for all you guys have done for myself and the rest of us noobs
Echoing the thank yous as the community is the reason I got this tablet when I did.
Yeah, echoing as well. I bought the device only after I knew that you were out there to make the software issue into a non-issue. I use my tablet only a daily basis for both my work and my pleasure. I wouldn't be able to do either without the great stuff you guys have done. Much appreciated.
Another me to reply. Forgot where i first saw the gTab, but after reading here for a couple of weeks, i found mine at Sears for $379, plus the rebate for the free dock.
Without all of the tremendous resources on this forum, i would have missed out on this journey. I have tried all of the ROMs, and have settled on the Vegan 5.1b rom for now.
Thanks again to all of the developers,and to the non-developers, this would not have bee possible without your persistence in testing these roms and asking the what if questions.
I'll echo the same sentiment. Frankly I would probably not have bought the gtab if I had not come across this forum and all the people here who have been working to make it a better product.
Thx to all of you.
I also would like to add a big thanks for all this incredible info & apps.these dev have added to the gtab and other devices. Again Thanks, J.
Stock gTab.
Gonna go ahead and throw out my THANKS to the Devs here and those all around XDA. I have spent more time on XDA since getting my Hero a year and a half ago,then my Evo when it came out, and now wasting away on my G Tab. Wife loves the tab so much I had to get her one. Both of ours were rooted the day we got em.. entirely because this community!
I look forward to seeing what the next big rom is for the G Tab! (Running VEGAn now, hopefully someone releases a Honeycomb rom in the next couple weeks!!)

Eclair to Ice cream...What a ride!

I hated my Cappy when I first got it. Sent 2 back in the first 6 months. Then a friend told me to stop complaining and join XDA. It's been a love, hate relationship from that moment on. It's been a true educational experience. The research, roms, mods, themes, googling, flashing, failures, bricks, long nights, and many many "you and that d*** phone" comments from the wife have all been worth it. I have learned so much. Hated it. But, glad I did. I now own 2 Cappy's. Neither of which have anything left untouched on them. One given to my daughter (in all its pink ICS glory) as a B'day gift. It's wifi only but we have netflix and hulu+ and she can play games and make calls. She loves it. Now it is time to pass along my Cappy to my wife. Funny, but she likes that d*** phone now. Anyways, I'm upgrading to the Skyrocket. For $20 and a waived upgrade fee I can't resisted. Atleast my babies are staying in the family. I am very proud of both of them LOL. I truely want to thank all the great Developers that brought this phone to where it is now. Simply amazing all of you. I can't put into words the respect I have for each of you. And I also want to thank this great Cappy community. I can't thank you enough. I'm sure I will keep up with the forum in case something pops up that a gotta have. But, WHAT A RIDE!
congrats
Skyrocket is a nice phone. Still has no ICS on it . But still - nice phone! he-he-he!

Since when did some XDA users become so soft?

I'll throw my two cents on the at&t jelly bean update.
As some of you can see, I've been on these forums for a VERY long time. I've seen the forums go from basically an HTC win-mo board to the amazing place it has become today. Sadly, it seems like people seem to come here to whine more then to either innovate or at least take control of their devices.
Yes it's frustrating that AT&T hasn't released the jelly bean update for our device considering the update has been out for nearly 5 months now. But at the same time, this is XD-freaking-A! Where if you want anything on your device (short of Google wallet apparently), you cane make it happen. Root your phone, unlock your bootloader, and enjoy your phone as you want to.
I remember when people wouldn't bat an eye to dropping $600-$800 on a HTC TyTn II and it would come with 850/1900 HSPA so you didn't have to get stuck with ATT's crap and terrible support.
Lets get back to enjoying our device, and if that means going the Nexus device and/or unlocked device route, so be it. Don't let the carriers control you.
The lesson as always: less whining, more hacking!!
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Funny, I was just thinking along similar lines today. This board has changed a whole lot in the time I've been here. I also joined during the WinMo days, back with the TyTn II (AT&T Tilt). In those days, folks with smartphones were mostly early adopters. Sure, XDA existed long before that time, and there were even earlier adopters, by far. But back in 2007, smartphones and especially moddiing them were the realm of tech geeks only.
The smartphone world has now exploded and become mainstream. The demographic of people that visit this site is now very different. Lots of n00bs asking for one-click root solutions and video tutorials, instead of just reading and doing. A lot more n00bs asking the same questions over and over, without bothering to do any research. And asking for help without providing any background information. I remember the days when nobody would even help you, if you didn't have your carrier, phone version, firmware version, and radio listed in your signature.
So my specific peeve is a bit different (less about the whining, and more about users not wanting to learn and research). But the basic premise is the same: the user base here has changed a whole lot over time.
Hmm I'm not sure I follow Ya about people whining , we get sometimes a bunch of people who don't follow instructions or read any previous posts but it seems its just the normal new user issues until they get broke in. The hoxl community in my opinion is the best group around in xda. With s off and our awesome choices in many android based versions it seems any update from carriers would be a severe downgrade and at this point serves us no purpose. I guess to make long story short I'm not really sure what the point of this thread is ( no offense meant)
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Hmm I'm not sure I follow Ya about people whining
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The OP may (or may not) have had this particular thread in mind: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2167162
That's just one guy. But there is always a surprising number of people on here, waiting around for official OTAs, afraid to root/BL unlock their phones, etc.
Lol Ya that was a good example
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Think this board's bad? should have seen the hp touchpad section right before it died. There's a new thread/post asking for someone to port win7 and win8 almost every day, and it's never going to happen lol.
Back in the day people who bought smartphones were geeks and tech heads, plus this site was mainly HTC devices WinMo devices. Now almost everyone has a smartphone so you get a lot of annoying people on here.
Ha! As bad as this place can get with noobishness, the iOS jailbreak community is worse because the barriers to entry are a lot lower. Pretty much everything is one-click once the exploits are found, and there's no division by handset like there is with Android. Bricking is next to impossible because you can easily recover and go back to stock through iTunes.
I haven't been at xda all that long, but I was into jailbreaking from when the 3G was released, which was mid-2008. Back then, it was only hardcore geeks and most people didn't even realize jailbreaking existed or had only the vaguest understanding of what it was. When I came over the divide last year, it had gotten so bad people thought you could jailbreak over wifi because iTunes does most things over wifi now. You would go through ten posts trying to help someone only to discover they didn't even have their iPhone plugged into their freaking computer. Plus you would have people showing up for the express purpose of arguing that you shouldn't jailbreak and that all of us were going to jail.
Everyone and their mom has a smartphone now. That statement applies to me as my mom has a Galaxy Note 2. The only thing I ever seen her do with it is look up celebrities net worth on google now :laugh:. I have never understood why would there be anyone here waiting for AT&T to release their JB Sense ROM when we have had it here for over 2 months. I'm here because I want to get the absolute best out of my phone that the purely stock experience cannot match.
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Everyone and their mom has a smartphone now. That statement applies to me as my mom has a Galaxy Note 2. The only thing I ever seen her do with it is look up celebrities net worth on google now :laugh:. I have never understood why would there be anyone here waiting for AT&T to release their JB Sense ROM when we have had it here for over 2 months. I'm here because I want to get the absolute best out of my phone that the purely stock experience cannot match.
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Everyone and their mom has a smartphone, but not everyone and their mom comes here and talks about flashing ROMs. I expect stupidity in the forums as a whole from outsiders who just come here from a Google search, but people in the ROM threads are just as lazy and entitled. ROM threads are nearly impossible to keep up with because they're 1000 pages long and 980 of those pages are repeat questions. I'm new here so maybe that's the way it's always been but it's frustrating to say the least. If I don't come here for one day, I have 30 pages to catch up with on the single ROM I actually follow.
When I first bought my phone a good six months ago, coming from 3gs, All I did was troll up until now. The first thing I found was the thread to unlock, supercid and , root my phone, for att 2.20. I found two threads that would do it, the all-one-tool kit, and the x-factor exploit. I decided to go with the x-factor instead of the all in one because i wouldn't learn anything with the tool-kit. After that I ran into the problem of no rom, recovery, and an un-mountable sdcard. I did a quick search about the un-mountable sdcard in our forums here and found the Team Nocturnal SD Fix for evita. Once that was done i had a working sd card, trwp recovery but still no rom. So i did another search and found one of the best informational posts ever, Gunnyman's quick and dirty adb/fastboot primer this got me on track to start pushing rom zips to my sdcard without having a bootable rom and also told me that i had to fastboot flash boot boot.img every time I installed a new rom hboot 1.14+. And I still haven't had to ask any question on how to do something because guaranteed 100% that someone else has asked that very same question you just have to read and read some more, the only way someone hasn't asked your question is if you've been doing your own mod work that nobody else has seen.
I'm nowhere near as active as I used to be. Cooking your own winmo roms was fun in those days. But that was in College and at att when I actually had time to learn that stuff. Generally if you follow instructions to a T, you will be fine.
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I hate people who jailbreak at my school. Why? Because I'm the kid they b**** to about EVERYTHING. How do you jailbreak? Where did you download it? How do I install stuff? How do I get everything free? OH EM GEE MY PHONE KEEPS RESTARTING WHAT DO I DO?! JAILBREAKING SUCKS ITS ALL YOUR FAULT! To this I reply with "Google it you d*** a**" This being my first smartphone, I have used every peice of it. I have a girl who bought a gs3 and has yet to figure out how to put apps in folders. I can say, without a doubt in my mind. That I am the only kid in my grade with common sense for technology. I'm only in 8th grade so I pray it gets better in highschool.
-Sugardaddy Duncan
When did xda become so safe?
When did the scene become a joke?
The kids who used to live for custom and root
Now want their OTA and officials
Cursing and flipping n00bs are not allowed,
In fact let's keep dev only talk levels down
Must separate the church and skate!
When did xda become so safe?
I know it wasn't Turge or h8rift,
Who put up the barricades
Like a stake in the heart,
Somehow we got driven apart
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I hate people who jailbreak at my school. Why? Because I'm the kid they b**** to about EVERYTHING. How do you jailbreak? Where did you download it? How do I install stuff? How do I get everything free? OH EM GEE MY PHONE KEEPS RESTARTING WHAT DO I DO?! JAILBREAKING SUCKS ITS ALL YOUR FAULT! To this I reply with "Google it you d*** a**" This being my first smartphone, I have used every peice of it. I have a girl who bought a gs3 and has yet to figure out how to put apps in folders. I can say, without a doubt in my mind. That I am the only kid in my grade with common sense for technology. I'm only in 8th grade so I pray it gets better in highschool.
-Sugardaddy Duncan
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That's really interesting. I always assumed kids growing up these days (God I sound old) would be friggin' wizards of technology having grown up with it since birth. But maybe the opposite is true : where my first computer required a lot of WORK to do anything with (custom boot disks to run DOOM and whatnot), nowadays everything just "works" so kids will be proficient on the basics but absolutely clueless on anything beyond that because they never HAD to do it...?
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That's really interesting. I always assumed kids growing up these days (God I sound old) would be friggin' wizards of technology having grown up with it since birth. But maybe the opposite is true : where my first computer required a lot of WORK to do anything with (custom boot disks to run DOOM and whatnot), nowadays everything just "works" so kids will be proficient on the basics but absolutely clueless on anything beyond that because they never HAD to do it...?
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Literally 98% of my school has iPhone's and they're all dumb ass Isheep..it's embarassing to listen to some of their conversations sometimes.. it ashames me that I go to the sane school as them
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That's really interesting. I always assumed kids growing up these days (God I sound old) would be friggin' wizards of technology having grown up with it since birth. But maybe the opposite is true : where my first computer required a lot of WORK to do anything with (custom boot disks to run DOOM and whatnot), nowadays everything just "works" so kids will be proficient on the basics but absolutely clueless on anything beyond that because they never HAD to do it...?
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As the father of three school-age boys, I can tell you that in some ways, not a whole lot has changed. The baseline has moved, but the divisions are the same. Everyone has a phone and a computer, but there are still big differences in how much they care about them.
The average kids (the same crowd who wouldn't touch a computer when I was their age) are uninterested in the guts and only know the basics of how to use them. And there is still the geek crowd who wants to know everything and play around with it.
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That's really interesting. I always assumed kids growing up these days (God I sound old) would be friggin' wizards of technology having grown up with it since birth. But maybe the opposite is true : where my first computer required a lot of WORK to do anything with (custom boot disks to run DOOM and whatnot), nowadays everything just "works" so kids will be proficient on the basics but absolutely clueless on anything beyond that because they never HAD to do it...?
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This is true. I graduated highschool in 2007 to give you some perspective. The student body of my school was a little under 1000 for each grade. Of this, there were 15 of us "computer guys". Nobody else knew anything, nobody else cared.
I feel like I'm getting old, watching everyone around me. I'm a senior in college now, getting a bachelor's degree in telecommunications & systems administration. You'd be suprised to hear that most of my classmates know relatively little about computers, especially at a lower level. Hell, one of my friends who just scored a great job at target corperate IT didn't know what a CSV file was until I scolded him yesterday. Kids these days are stupid.
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ECEXCURSION said:
This is true. I graduated highschool in 2007 to give you some perspective. The student body of my school was a little under 1000 for each grade. Of this, there were 15 of us "computer guys". Nobody else knew anything, nobody else cared.
I feel like I'm getting old, watching everyone around me. I'm a senior in college now, getting a bachelor's degree in telecommunications & systems administration. You'd be suprised to hear that most of my classmates know relatively little about computers, especially at a lower level. Hell, one of my friends who just scored a great job at target corperate IT didn't know what a CSV file was until I scolded him yesterday. Kids these days are stupid.
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I guess I get not knowing the innards /lower level stuff, but you'd think general USAGE would at least be second nature by now.
It's like with cars. Almost everyone knows how to drive and uses a car daily, but only a small percentage can fix them or understand how they work.
Most people, young and old, don't know/don't care about how computers and phones work.

Need your advices.

hello everyone
i got a note 10.1 as a gift yesterday, no doubt it is cool, but the thing is that i am in my last season before college and it is very important.
now i am confused whether to sell it and save it's money for later, or keep it (but of course, i am not going to use it very much), the thing is that if i sell it now, i will lose about 130$ of it's price and i have no idea whether the next generation tablets will cost about the same or higher and if i don't sell it now, it's price will will decrease so bad.
the advantages of the first decision is that i will not get distraction from it and the advantages of the second decision is that i will have i high end tablet which i think the next generation tablets wont have so much differences between this generation's.
so what do you think? does it worth to keep it? or i should sell it?
thanks in advance .
Since you dont have a need for tablets, sell it.
I am sure 3-4 years from now tablets (like most other electronics) will become better with evolution. Buy when you need it.
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Why not give it back to the person who bought it for you so they can return it for full price? I know I would be highly pissed off and offended if I bought someone an expensive gift like the Note 10.1 and they turned around and sold it.
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Why not give it back to the person who bought it for you so they can return it for full price? I know I would be highly pissed off and offended if I bought someone an expensive gift like the Note 10.1 and they turned around and sold it.
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Isn't a gift the property of the recipient to do with as they please? Can't say I wouldn't be disappointed, but once it's given, it's use is determined by the person who owns it.
Not trying to be a jerk, but this goes back to a conversation I had once, and a lesson I learned. I gave my brother a balloon, and he popped it on purpose. I was angry, until someone pointed out to me that it was his gift to do with as he pleased. Literally, whatever pleased him most was up to him. If he enjoyed the act of popping the balloon (his choice) more than looking at the balloon (my pre-conceived notion of the "proper" way to enjoy a balloon), who was I to judge that?
If the recipient would be happier selling the gift than keeping the gift, shouldn't they do what makes them most happy? Isn't that the point of a gift?
True but it can also be an easy way to piss off the one who gave the present . Result ungrateful B sold my present and he wont get any more .
I would sell the Note and say to the giver thanks but i sold it and put the money to my educashion and bought some skool books for colidge or something like that .
jje
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Isn't a gift the property of the recipient to do with as they please? Can't say I wouldn't be disappointed, but once it's given, it's use is determined by the person who owns it.
Not trying to be a jerk, but this goes back to a conversation I had once, and a lesson I learned. I gave my brother a balloon, and he popped it on purpose. I was angry, until someone pointed out to me that it was his gift to do with as he pleased. Literally, whatever pleased him most was up to him. If he enjoyed the act of popping the balloon (his choice) more than looking at the balloon (my pre-conceived notion of the "proper" way to enjoy a balloon), who was I to judge that?
If the recipient would be happier selling the gift than keeping the gift, shouldn't they do what makes them most happy? Isn't that the point of a gift?
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There is no argument that he can do whatever the heck he wants, but he asked for advice. My opinion, based on my values, beliefs, morals, whatever...is that if someone gives you a valuable gift and you turn around and sell it...that's a pretty **** move and if I were the gift giver, it would definitely hurt my feelings and leave me with a very sour taste in my mouth. I would likely never buy the ungrateful kid another gift of value. If he turns around and sells it, it is being very disrespectful and ungrateful to the gift giver.
He has plenty of options that would result in him not looking like an ungrateful d-bag. He could tell the gift giver that he would prefer the money be used toward his education and give the gift back so they can return it and give him cash. He could say that, while it was nice, it wasn't what he wanted right now and he would rather have <insert whatever gift here>.
Again, it goes back to the idea that just because you can do something a certain way doesn't mean it is the way you should do it. That's why we are considered developmentally above animals. We *should* have the ability to know the difference between right and wrong in our actions and behaviors. I guess, in my eyes, the relationship between me and the other person is more valuable than whatever money could be gained through the disrespectful act of selling it.
OP, if you're starting college within a year, I'd hold onto it. The Note's specs aren't matched by many tablets now and I don't expect that to have improved next year. You've got to keep in mind that the Note's got 2GB of RAM, which is twice the amount of some of the other tablets labeled as high-end. It's got a quad core proccessor and, most importantly, it has Wacon active digitizer that improves stylus input. If you read member posts by those who are students, they are making great use of all the Note's features. As you've noted, once new merchandise is sold, it's value drops significantly. Good luck.
Each one of you has a point, but, If I sell it now, it is not because I want more money, it is because having such a tablet will distract me from studying as I had a note 1 about 3 months ago, and I can really say that I clould not study while owing it.
It is really a hard choice...
The gift giver is must also be kept in mind, he brought me a gift and I should respect that.
Don't know what do...
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Why not give it back to the person who bought it for you so they can return it for full price? I know I would be highly pissed off and offended if I bought someone an expensive gift like the Note 10.1 and they turned around and sold it.
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In my country, there is no returning unless the product is damaged, even samsung's official shop does not do it.
loribuono said:
Isn't a gift the property of the recipient to do with as they please? Can't say I wouldn't be disappointed, but once it's given, it's use is determined by the person who owns it.
Not trying to be a jerk, but this goes back to a conversation I had once, and a lesson I learned. I gave my brother a balloon, and he popped it on purpose. I was angry, until someone pointed out to me that it was his gift to do with as he pleased. Literally, whatever pleased him most was up to him. If he enjoyed the act of popping the balloon (his choice) more than looking at the balloon (my pre-conceived notion of the "proper" way to enjoy a balloon), who was I to judge that?
If the recipient would be happier selling the gift than keeping the gift, shouldn't they do what makes them most happy? Isn't that the point of a gift?
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You have a point, but when it comes to such an expensive item, I think we should look to this situation in a different way, but again, I cant study while owning such a device
Have you considered that owning this device may actually help you study... It is designed specifically for business and artists but there is a strong leaning towards students to use this also. You have on hand a device you can download and read manuals from, cut and edit pdf's and documents. Grab information straight from the internet and incorporate it into a document.
You can write on the screen without having to use a ton of paper meanin it won't change in weight, and can then annotate things, you can record lectures while they are being given and add hand written notes.
I wish I had this for my school days...
Keep it and learn restraint .
I say keep it..
First it will come in handy when used properly.. And if you say you cant study while you have such a device that distracts your. God forbid you have friends or a Girl/ boy friend..
Keep it and use it to lean to restrain yourself from letting a Device control your Free/ Study time.. If you do not learn this you are going to fail eventually anyway. Im assuming in college and last semester you should already be well on your way to having great time management skills.. I say this thinking about our son who just started college psyc Degree.. He has a long long time to go..
Good Luck either way ..
Ps also if i had bought you such a gift It would hurt my feelings if you sold it so soon . or even consider such as explorer said It is your choice but think ethical about it.. OHH ARE YOU studying to be a Lawyer .. (ohh the ethics thing Guess not)
Giggles GOOD Luck ..
Erica Renee
ExploreMN said:
There is no argument that he can do whatever the heck he wants, but he asked for advice. My opinion, based on my values, beliefs, morals, whatever...is that if someone gives you a valuable gift and you turn around and sell it...that's a pretty **** move and if I were the gift giver, it would definitely hurt my feelings and leave me with a very sour taste in my mouth. I would likely never buy the ungrateful kid another gift of value. If he turns around and sells it, it is being very disrespectful and ungrateful to the gift giver.
He has plenty of options that would result in him not looking like an ungrateful d-bag. He could tell the gift giver that he would prefer the money be used toward his education and give the gift back so they can return it and give him cash. He could say that, while it was nice, it wasn't what he wanted right now and he would rather have <insert whatever gift here>.
Again, it goes back to the idea that just because you can do something a certain way doesn't mean it is the way you should do it. That's why we are considered developmentally above animals. We *should* have the ability to know the difference between right and wrong in our actions and behaviors. I guess, in my eyes, the relationship between me and the other person is more valuable than whatever money could be gained through the disrespectful act of selling it.
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Thanks for sharing your opinions. We disagree. No one can make me feel anything by selling something I gave them. Once given, it's none of my business what the recipient does with it, and it can't change whatever good feelings I had when giving it.
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I say keep it..
First it will come in handy when used properly.. And if you say you cant study while you have such a device that distracts your. God forbid you have friends or a Girl/ boy friend..
Keep it and use it to lean to restrain yourself from letting a Device control your Free/ Study time.. If you do not learn this you are going to fail eventually anyway. Im assuming in college and last semester you should already be well on your way to having great time management skills.. I say this thinking about our son who just started college psyc Degree.. He has a long long time to go..
Good Luck either way ..
Ps also if i had bought you such a gift It would hurt my feelings if you sold it so soon . or even consider such as explorer said It is your choice but think ethical about it.. OHH ARE YOU studying to be a Lawyer .. (ohh the ethics thing Guess not)
Giggles GOOD Luck ..
Erica Renee
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nice words...
as for time management, i've already made a schedule for studying but the time is not in my side, my country's high school system is wrong, we have more Subjects to study in a very short time.
also, why god would forbid having a friend? a true friend would help me and not distract me.
thank you for sharing you opinions
i am thinking for reasons not to sell it, but it is a hard choice...

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