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Extreme antipiracy measures....

I have no idea where this topic should go so im putting it here.
Ill start off by saying this: I'm a fifteen year old kid with no money, and sometimes I pirate apps. This isn't about piracy like where should i go for it etc. Because i know that is against the rules. I don't have any way to buy apps or i would, im poor and i don't have a credit or debit card to use. So devs aren't losing money by me pirating. And i know its wrong and i shouldn't do it. Its just the only way to get things sometimes.
If you're still reading and haven't already reported me, here is my story.
Last night i was just messing with my phone, playing games and talking to friends. My phone randomly rebooted and started going into a bootloop of sorts; it would start up and i could get to the homescreen but it was almost unresponsive and i was getting a lot of force closes. I couldn't figure out the issue so i did a backup and a data wipe, planning to restore from TitaniumBackup.
That's when i figured out the problem. My sD card had been completely wiped, all 14 gigs of music, videos, important documents, pictures, apps, everything. It was all gone and replaced with 1037 pictures of a penis with a smiley face drawn on it, captioned "**** you mobilism stop stealing from droidfanz" which i have no idea who mobilism is or what droidfanz is.
I ran recuva on the card hoping to find my files somehow but it only found 3000 more of the pictures along with lots of random pictures of porn and concerts and people jumping off of houses onto mattresses.
I guess im mostly making this thread as 1. A shoutout to mobilism, droidfanz, whoever else caused this to say, you're an ass. Piracy is wrong but there are lots of things you could do that aren't going to destroy my life by deleting all of my personal documents. If i had the ability to buy your apps then i would.
2. A notice to other people... Don't pirate. At least be careful because some developers would rather destroy you than just make it so you can't use their app or something.
That's it. Ban me if you want, i figured i should at least get this out there to warn people. Im going to be trying to restore my life for the next few days anyways.
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Good you deserved this. You stole apps from devs which is like taking there life. It only seems fitting that a dev returns the favor. Hope you learned. Also invest in a pre load debt card so you can legitimately purchase apps. Being broke is not an excuse for piracy and sure as hell wouldn't stand in court. Look at it this way .99 cents for an app or thousands in fees cause you got caught pirating.
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Wow, that's crazy.
Mobilism and Droidfanz are, to the best of my knowledge, warez sites.
Sounds like maybe Droidfaz people are loading files that look like applications, but really are malicious files over to Mobilism in some sort of a war.
Those malicious files could have been further distributed to wherever you go the file from.

I dont agree with you ironlood.
Firstly, fighting fire with fire is not a solution. If someone is doing something wrong, it does not mean that you should do something worse. Revenge is only allowed if it is equal, not worse than the original offence.
Secondly, the OP does not even know if this happened due to a rogue application by a Dev or some hacker at Droidfanz try to get back at mobilism. Its interesting looks like two underground piracy outfits clashing. (I dont know what these sites are, but thats what it sounds like).
I'm not saying piracy is allowed, but lets just not be too anal not to allow extenuating circumstances (although I am not saying this particular case is).
OP, next time stick to free apps only. There is nothing you cant live without.

Wow. I certainly don't pirate apps because I'm a faithful Android fan and truly appreciate the work of the developers. We give them hardly anything for their work so the spare change you pay now and again is well worth it. Sometimes I donate even more after I buy their apps.
That being said, I don't want any chance of this happening to my phone because I downloaded a rogue app that made it to the market or was shared in the community. If someone does that to me, I'll sue them only because I can't physically beat the f*** out of them.
You shouldn't pirate though, bro. Pirate from big corporations like Microsoft as they inflate their prices and can afford it. Don't pirate from the college student who's starving and worse off than you!

bongd said:
Wow. I certainly don't pirate apps because I'm a faithful Android fan and truly appreciate the work of the developers. We give them hardly anything for their work so the spare change you pay now and again is well worth it. Sometimes I donate even more after I buy their apps.
That being said, I don't want any chance of this happening to my phone because I downloaded a rogue app that made it to the market or was shared in the community. If someone does that to me, I'll sue them only because I can't physically beat the f*** out of them.
You shouldn't pirate though, bro. Pirate from big corporations like Microsoft as they inflate their prices and can afford it. Don't pirate from the college student who's starving and worse off than you!
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lol Its like saying steal from the RICH they won't mind it!
Piracy Is Piracy.
But please don't give me the crap that all of you guys are saints...YOU ARE NOT!
@OP That was a very peculiar "virus". The thing i don't understand that doesn't a virus NOT need superuser permissions(ROOT) to access your system??

Money for an Android mobile and a 16 GB SD card but no 99 Cent to buy an app? That's ridiculous.
And that wasn't done by the developer. You caught a Trojan...
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Did you know that if you walked in a store and stole a shirt, you would get arrested? I'm pretty sure that it wouldn't matter if you were rich or poor and whether or not you could afford it. You got what you deserved.

edisso10018 said:
Money for an Android mobile and a 16 GB SD card but no 99 Cent to buy an app? That's ridiculous.
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This is true. You obviously could afford to buy apps if you wanted to, you just don't want to because you can get them for free.

Just for the sake of conversation.
Why is it ok to violate your TOS as well as abuse your carrier by getting around their bandwidth usage requirements and tethering options but piracy off applications is wrong?
Who decides what is right and wrong in this situation? The danger to android isn't merely fragmentation, it is the wild west nature of open source and whether developers will continue to contribute at such a rate knowing that there is no law or protection in place to keep their work as financially viable.
These are topics that android will have to deal with and sort whether it is by google or by the community coming to some sort of developer support agreement.
Really is neat watching an industry find its way. I just hope it doesn't get lost in the process.

thanks for sharing about your misfortunes and hopefully you learned from it! Best of luck!

edisso10018 said:
Money for an Android mobile and a 16 GB SD card but no 99 Cent to buy an app? That's ridiculous.
And that wasn't done by the developer. You caught a Trojan...
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That isn't ridiculous. More like my parents saved up to my me a phone as a birthday present, it was free with the special Christmas deal from US Cellular and it came with the card. Both the phone and card were actually free for my parents to buy and were a birthday present for me, we're just paying for the plan and I still have no money to buy apps.
backwoods99 said:
Just for the sake of conversation.
Why is it ok to violate your TOS as well as abuse your carrier by getting around their bandwidth usage requirements and tethering options but piracy off applications is wrong?
Who decides what is right and wrong in this situation? The danger to android isn't merely fragmentation, it is the wild west nature of open source and whether developers will continue to contribute at such a rate knowing that there is no law or protection in place to keep their work as financially viable.
These are topics that android will have to deal with and sort whether it is by google or by the community coming to some sort of developer support agreement.
Really is neat watching an industry find its way. I just hope it doesn't get lost in the process.
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I agree. All the people telling me I deserved it.... yeah you are probably right, I shouldn't have done it but you can't say I'm taking money from the dev because no matter what he isn't going to get money from me because I don't have any to give.
And I'm sure you've all stolen music or used a tethering app or something that isn't legal.

sageDieu said:
And I'm sure you've all stolen music or used a tethering app or something that isn't legal.
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Get a job. You had this coming, as far as I'm concerned.

The whole penis thing might be a little extreme but i guess you deserved it.

What comes around goes around, you steal apps and now you lost everything. Being broke is not an excuse for being a douch-bag and stealing apps. I don't think telling a judge I was broke so I stole it would be a good defense. Not to mention you "stole" an item that is not something you need to live like stealing food not that that is ok either. I hope this was a lesson learned.

sageDIEU, fair play to you for openly telling your story.. you've probably learnt your lesson anyway now, although your reasons are more than dubious (still doesn't make it right in my opinion, just because I've not got the money now or ever to buy a ferrari, doesn't mean I can just go and pinch one)
The only issue I have, is that some developers expect you to pay for a product that has no decent demo. There's plenty of people producing crap apps for android and other OS's and expecting money for it. I've already paid for quite a few apps that have turned out to be a complete waste of money. I'd rather try an app (by whatever means) and then I'll gladly pay the developer for his work if it's a good product, if it's not, it doesn't stay on my phone and the developer won't get my dough.

Just about everyone uses a hacked app for whatever reason in their life. I don't judge anyone for doing so, but you should never ever keep important files on just 1 storage location. You can always lose/break it.
Learn from this!
Try searching for undelete/unformat software. Maybe you will be able to recover some of it. Good luck..

adhikarb said:
lol Its like saying steal from the RICH they won't mind it!
Piracy Is Piracy.
But please don't give me the crap that all of you guys are saints...YOU ARE NOT!
@OP That was a very peculiar "virus". The thing i don't understand that doesn't a virus NOT need superuser permissions(ROOT) to access your system??
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Corporations rob consumers, they're the only ones I would not feel bad about when it comes to pirating. I don't need commercial apps from huge corps most of the time though, outside of an OS. There are usually freeware versions which are better and have direct support from the developer. I'd rather have a free app with customizations and bug fixes from direct developer correspondence than a commercial app from a huge corp in most cases. Wouldn't you?
And **** off with the saint comment. I'm not elitist. I just think if a hard working Joe does a good job, I'd rather commend him instead of some money grubbing corporation. This is a tight community. And would you rather give a friend money or a stranger money? I'd rather give a friend money, any day of the week. Especially if they've developed an app that I use EVERY SINGLE DAY and only paid a dollar or two for!!!!
You guys are so ****ing cheap. End of story. I hope your phones get hacked. There's absolutely no reason to ***** about a dollar or two here and there for an app that you'll use day in, day out.

All of you people giving analogies of 'pirating' with 'stealing' do not know what an IP is. That analogy is WRONG.
Also, you really think rooting your phone and installing custom roms is not a violation?

hav0c said:
Just about everyone uses a hacked app for whatever reason in their life. I don't judge anyone for doing so, but you should never ever keep important files on just 1 storage location. You can always lose/break it.
Learn from this!
Try searching for undelete/unformat software. Maybe you will be able to recover some of it. Good luck..
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Agreed, and I doubt you were punished by the developper you stole apps from.
You should really be carefull on what you install, especially on those uncontrolled warez sites.

ShootMe Dev Giving up on Android Community? What about you?

I wrote about it here: LINK
Does anyone know more about the background - from the twitter account it seems like just a general run-down and a disappointing community.
Other developers on here feel the same?
I'd love to get comments from some of the developers on here, if that is the case.

I'm not a developer but did read this already on a posting at Google+.
But you are right, moving into that direction would be very bad.
Some people think they can be rude because they stay anonymous.
Its something that happens more and more these days on the internet.

I realize it's impossible - there are 12 year olds who probably run rampant.
Seems like there is SOMETHING that can be done.

I'm as Pro-Android as they come. But at times it feels like starting a relationship with a beautiful boy/girl only to find they come with a sack load of emotional baggage.
Here's my take on it: http://andgamesdevblog.blogspot.com/2011/09/android-culture-its-own-worst-enemy.html
I am far from giving up (thick skinned) but there is a real troll culture growing and needs to be stomped out. Anonymity has it's uses but, as with everything else, has its drawbacks. What we need is troll hunters!
Paul
(aka Strangemoo)

I have seen that there are some stupid comments on the market... But not so extreme as to take down your app...
Some users is just plain stupid... I'm from Denmark, so a lot of the comments are in danish... But that devs are many times foreign and really don't look or understand the comments... But a lot of them complain about pathetic things like no app 2 sd or that some function suddenly's gone instead of just writing the dev an email about the issue and giving the app the respect it deserves... 1/5 rating is a lot of the times not justified...
Just my 2-cents...

I'm sorry but this is a silly and immature move by the developer. Receiving negative feedback, dealing with trolls and idiotic users that don't understand technology are fundamental assumptions of the internet, just like not giving out your passwords or helping Nigerian princes get their money out of Africa.
I loved ShootMe and used it for our screenshots, but I don't have a lot of empathy for people that empower others to control how they feel.
Wrote about this a few weeks back: http://www.androidstatic.com/what-shootme-removed-from-the-android-market

I work in IT support and one of the things I have to support is phones. It blows my mind how many 10-12 year old kids have nicer phones than I do because their rich mommy and daddys think their precious little angels needs the latest and greatest smart phones. I went over to a client's office a couple of months ago and he had 3 brand new Droid 2s for his kids, ranging from 10-14.
Point of all this?
In this day and age, there are so many rude little kids with nice phones all over these forums, its amazing to me anyone sticks around. Im over 40 and was raised in a different time than these self entitled children I see around here that want everything now, for free and want you to do it for them.
I cant blame the guy for leaving. A lot of times I wish I could go live on an island somewhere where I didnt have to deal with people because most of them suck.

s15274n said:
I wrote about it here: LINK
Does anyone know more about the background - from the twitter account it seems like just a general run-down and a disappointing community.
Other developers on here feel the same?
I'd love to get comments from some of the developers on here, if that is the case.
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I'm not a developer, but I was a ShootMe user on my EVO 4G. When it received the upgrade to Gingerbread, the app stopped working. The developer never replied to my email and from reading comments on Market didn't reply to anyone.
He did finally released a new version of ShootMe, but you had to have a computer to use it. Also everytime your reboot your phone, you had to sync everytime with your computer.
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Welcome to the "masses".
Want a better experience? Go smaller. Dev for Windows Phone, or Web OS, or RIM.
Once something becomes part of the main stream, you'll see the d-bags start rolling in. Even something like xda can be tarnished once it "gets too big". There is hardly a day that goes by where I don't read a thread here that doesn't make me shake my head. This used to be a highly technical forum, back when every devices was htc and running windows mobile.
The only thing that can really be done, is to work with a smaller, more appreciative community. I doubt you would get very many jerk off comments from a Windows Phone user, they are happy to get whatever they can.

All very good points. I wish I had put a little into my thoughts before typing that up - dev's need to be tougher AND respond to people.

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All very good points. I wish I had put a little into my thoughts before typing that up - dev's need to be tougher AND respond to people.
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As a android developer IMHO the android community is as bad as they come. Xda for example used to be a place of collaboration. Currently its a place where maybe .1% do dev, .9% appreciate the development and try to help, 99% ether complain or say nothing at all. Whether the development is for free or profite(which I won't evev get into here) how is a developer supposed to work off of that? Users would rather right a comment blasting a developer who has literally spent days of his life on some product without even attempting to resolve the issue themselves.
I'm not saying some complaints are not warranted, just saying flip the coin around and its not so hard to understand the developers standpoint.
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There is no denying that there is frustration on both sides. This frustration seems to stem from expectation, communication and control.
The developer expects their customers to be civil.
The users expects the developers to devote anything between some to all of their resources/free time building/making their products better.
Both are unreasonable expectations if you think about it.
Civility can only be maintained in a mediated environment - the Android Market seems only concerned about brand and copyright issues. Google seems to think that it's ok to put its developer behind chicken-wire with lights in their eyes whilst their customers are free to hurl beer bottles at them. Dealing with anony-trolls is time consuming and offputting.
Developers range from teenagers with spare time on their hands up to multi-million dollar development studios. I, myself, am a father of three, I work a full week (we've got to eat!) and I code when time permits. Even though I respond to every request put to my apps, if you think that I'm going to compromise the balance of other areas of my life to put in a bug fix - think again. Sure, some of the more effluent businesses can throw more resources into a project, but just bare in mind that most of us are just people and not doormats. Respect and encouragement is all it takes to make the market a happy place. Flaming just ruins things for all (on both sides).
Communication between devs and end users is and most likely always will be a bit of a sticking point. The fact that everyone has their own opinions, likes, dislikes kind of makes it obvious that there will never be an app with 100% 5 stars. Even the most popular apps on the market have ratings across the board. Though, admittedly, some of the low grades may be down to trolling - but some of them will be genuine. Communication takes time. From a user, it may take a couple of minutes out of their day. For the dev, they may have hundreds a day to deal with. This takes them away from the development that the mail is probably asking for!
A user doesn't, and should never have control over the developer. They should, however, be able to request, beg, plead *nicely*. If they get frustrated then they should remember the phrase 'you get what you pay for'. The developer doesn't get any money when you bought your phone - so don't think they have any obligation to give you something for nothing. If it's a paid app, then the developer is saying 'yes, I'll support it.' That's fair sport.
The developer should have some control over their customers in the sense that a shopkeeper can choose who they let in their shops. Unfortunately they have none. They can't even moderate the comments on the market. I've had a 'GAY - Pointless, uninstall' (his words, not mine) on a free app downloaded 12,000 times and has a 4* rating. I can't do anything about it. It always appears when people go to the page. This individual has hurt my app and me without provocation. I didn't ask anything from them. Fortunately, the following message pointed out that the 'Pointless' user was an idiot (thanks XZombie), hopefully it will negate some of the damage. We're completely at the mercy of the masses, and being a relatively new dev, it's a scary place to be!
It's a shame that the most influential party in all of this is hiding behind a wall of silence.
If you're interested - I'm keeping a track of my experience of Android development. The link is in my earlier post.
Paul
Strangemoo

Paul, I do agree with you to a point. But I'm not sure if I like about developers editing comments. But I do see what you mean about people leaving dumb comments for an app that does work.
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Katt,
I don't suggest developers could edit comments - that would make the process equally pointless, as devs can put all of the 'nice' things they want in the description anyway. Sorry if I implied otherwise.
Devs should be able to either remove, request for removal or even block the rogue elements. At present, we have to just live with the insults with no way to disprove their claims. Even a 'troll flag' would be an improvement - to show other users that the dev disagrees with the comment.
All accountability is on the devs whereas trolls can run freely.
Do any other devs out there agree with me on this? Others may have had a much more dealings with such than I have.
Cheers,
Paul

IMO if google was smart they would allow for a limited ammount(% of total) of "submissions" of there comments to a third party(google). If they are found outlandish they can be removed.
My 2 cents lol. I can say as a dev of a few apps on the market I have gotten rediculous comments n 1 stars b4. I mean if they are justified that's a different thing entirely. But my 1 stars are disproportionally higher then the trend of the others. Which proves one thing...
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This is an honestly great thread. Good initiative to |OP|

Taking down an app just because of a few nasty comments is just
childish and quite frankly pathetic.
Seems that developer has chucked his toys out the pram, if he does
decide to release it again who is going to trust such a developer?
I know I wouldn't use the app again, seeing as he's stuck 2 fingers up
to loyal users and the whole android community all because of a small
minority of people.
The whole thing stinks of the guy thinking he is above any kind of bad
feedback, obviously a developer that doesn't listen to the users of his
app and a developer that turns his back at the drop of a hat.
I'm sure he will be missed... Not
Ps. there are better screenshot apps out there

I agree with your comment. Though I am not a dev. I have experience working in the retail end of software. This is a I want it now society, folks forget that they got this software/app for free and as soon as they have a little issue they fly off the deep end cussing out the maker/distribitor of the product. Anyhow like you said you get what you pay for.LIke in my IT course in school my book said "check the dummy behind the keyboard" anyhow thanks for the great apps i use the time flies app.

If a dev dropped his customers because of a couple of snide comments then, yeah, I'd agree with you.
But was that the case for ShootMe?
Before we start flinging hooks around here, wouldn't it be more productive to actually find out what happened first.
I may be proven wrong here, but the guy must've been given some serious grief to take such a newsworthy action.
In fact, that's not been mentioned - it could be media storming. Drum up enough publicity and come back blazing. Only time will tell on that one.
At the end of the day, it's his property. And if he makes a lot of people unhappy that's his prerogative. The reason he's giving though are indeed a real issue the community needs to address.
The plot thickens.
(Glad you like Times Flies! You're most welcome)
Paul

I've noticed that the flavor of a community will vary a lot by device. The Captivate community seems to be generally good and helpful for the most part, but I've heard horror stories of ungratefulness and rudeness about communities around other devices. It may be the same sort of thing with different varieties of apps. If people feel like an app performs a function they deserve outright, they may be less inclined to courtesy and more inclined to selfish expectation.

Extremely disappointed with the android community

I just need to vent. I'm a fairly active developer for the android platform. I've created a number of kernel patches and applications that I have released at no charge to the community for about 10 or so devices.
All this I do in my "spare time", which I have very little of because I am a full time professional student who takes on 32 credit hour semesters.
Recently, since my 1994 geo prizm is literally falling apart and I was hoping to scrounge together a little bit of money to get a new car so I don't end up stranded on my way to class, I decided to release a paid application. Fastcharge / Force AC toggle which allows you to toggle on and off the force AC feature. A feature which I have personally implemented and released source patches for on a number of devices.
Not only in every thread where I released the patch on a device did I write up how to toggle the feature through the command line, but I also stated that I also implemented a toggle into my completely free application that you can also download from the market, IncrediControl.
In good faith and knowing how annoying licensing is, I elected to not include licensing in my application. This is a huge regret.
Within a couple days of releasing the application to the market I googled it to see if anyone was talking about it. One of the first links was to a piracy site where a user was requesting the widget, to which another user obliged and posted the apk to a filesharing site. Doing something I never though I would have to do, I filed a DMCA takedown request, which was answered quickly and the app was taken down. Monitoring the thread, every single time a link gets taken down, another user requests the app and the original user reuploads it, most recently to 11 different sites.
So now, after filing dozens of takedown requests. This user has decided to unzip my apk, change out the artwork, and now is going around releasing it as his own work.
Really, all this to avoid paying $1.50 (only ~$1 of it actually going to me) to an individual whose yearly income is low enough that he doesn't have to file taxes?
This disgusts me.
This is even worse than the 50% "order cancellation rate" that the widget has. I'm not stupid, I know exactly what users are doing, but yet initially I was willing to ignore it. But this has gone too far.
What is even the point of pissing off a developer so much that he is considering saying screw the platform all together? It doesn't even make sense. We, the developers improve your devices, generally at little or no cost, and this is how we're repaid. With ~50% of current users of the application having pirated it. To avoid paying just over $1.
Now before someone even counters with the "my area doesn't support paid applications" argument I've actually gladly GIVEN the widget away to a number of users who casually mentioned in the release threads that they couldn't download it for this reason. Not to mention, everyone knows there are apps that unlock the market in these areas to be able to purchase apps.
How much more generous can a developer be than to provide source code patches for a feature, provide information on how to toggle the feature, provide a COMPLETELY FREE way to toggle the feature, and then charge a measly $1.50 for a secondary, slightly more convenient way to toggle.
Yet he's repaid like this .

Of course, this must suck for a developer like you. Unfortunately, it seems to happen more and more often, and all I can really say is:
I would gladly pay a few bucks for an application like IC or BootManager. That BootManager seemed really interesting, but we can't buy apps from the Play Store without CC (and as a 16-year old, I don't have one). I asked the developer if he accepted Paypal, but he didn't.
Don't get me wrong, and this is not an attack to you personally: developers, if you made something really nice, and people will like it, 70% of the people will gladly pay for it, just make sure you allow them to.

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70% of the people will gladly pay for it, just make sure you allow them to.
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I honestly thought this was the case. It's really not. The problem is much worse than that. If 70% of users in the root community paid for apps it would be astonishing. Its made pretty clear by the number of users who download the app, back it up and then cancel the order.
If a 16 year old kid had made me that offer, the e-mail reply I sent would have the apk attached.

Well, that is a real flaw of Android: tweakability is really impressing, but these things make it really difficult to earn some money as a developer.
We have been thinking about anti-piracy measures as well, with stuff such as authentication with a server, and locking down the code and verifying integrity of APKs and stuff to make sure it's really hard to mess with the code, but it's just sad that there's a need for these measures..

The trouble is everything has piracy right from movies to game consoles through to mobiles and music.
I mean the iPhones appstore would be a hell of a lot bigger if there was no jailbreaking and installous.
Every platform has been cracked so you'll get it regardless of what you develop for.
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I think you know you just needed to vent but can I change your picture.
There are some people in this world who just don't buy the idea of an idea as property. That's not compatible with this business model. That's the first problem.
The next problem is that
there's a million and one apps out there and which one are we going to choose? Where does it start, where does it end? We all have our limits. What's yours?
For me, the app has to be something very unique and possible generate me cash. For example something I use every day at work. If it's something that the phone should do anyway I tend to skip it and save the $1 for the next phone that does it out of the box. Your app is a great thing, but there's many utility apps out there. It just doesn't fall into the kind of thing I'd cave my strict budgeting for. There are people here with a 1000 apps installed and you expect them to pay $1000 in this sense.
Another way would be having utility in the cloud and then the app is free. Another one of course, advertising.
The difference with both of these is we don't need to risk a credit card with the market. That's the main reason I personally haven't bought many apps and I'd imagine it's a problem for minors too.
The very community that allowed us to create the app fails to pay for it's products is like life itself.
I'd say make something for the iphone instead because there's more profit there but that would never have been possible, see what I'm saying? That's the 3rd problem.
So you've got 3 problems there all converging into one big push towards piracy. But remember, can your app assure security that the pirated version cannot for example? This is how one has to think.
In short,
you can't do something and hope to make a bit from it on the side. You got to go out from the start and get the money aspect central from the start. I mean, that's business and of course that's exactly what the android community works hard to free us from.
Still, summarising those 3 points for suggestion:
- offer something free things can't (i.e. security, brand etc) For example, I never run pirated stuff for fear of insecurity on my data whereas I'll try out software that way on an old PC
- can always put a service in the cloud aka the javascript trap
- iphone is there if you want...
- needs to "the one app" a certain person would pay for, not something everyone likes
Also just to make that point again, if one does not believe in property then inconveniently there is no moral crime here. I suggest learn to live with this and go with the flow

I hope google sells PlayStore cards (like itunes cards) that allows user to buy apps, music, movies, books without a credit card. I really want to buy some amazing apps but i dont have a credit card so i just use free apps. I think that if u cant buy an app that cant be a reason to piracy or sidedownload that app.

jago25_98 said:
For me, the app has to be something very unique and possible generate me cash. For example something I use every day at work. If it's something that the phone should do anyway I tend to skip it and save the $1 for the next phone that does it out of the box. Your app is a great thing, but there's many utility apps out there. It just doesn't fall into the kind of thing I'd cave my strict budgeting for. There are people here with a 1000 apps installed and you expect them to pay $1000 in this sense.
Another way would be having utility in the cloud and then the app is free. Another one of course, advertising.
The difference with both of these is we don't need to risk a credit card with the market. That's the main reason I personally haven't bought many apps and I'd imagine it's a problem for minors too.
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The feature is 100% unique and so is the widget. Not to mention, if you didn't want to pay the $1, I provided a free way to toggle the feature in the utility app. The point is, that there is nothing forcing people to pay for the widget to use the feature. But instead of using the free option provided, they not only pirate the paid app, but edit the artwork and release it for free as their own. It defies logic.
Also, ad based apps don't work with the rooted community. I learned that early on. Myfree utility app is ad supported. With over 40,000 installs you would think it would make even a dollar a day. Nope, makes nearly nothing. That's when I realized that the same niche I was marketing to are the same people who block ads. Even if someone didn't want to block ads, they can't install a single ROM that doesn't include an ad blocking hosts file out of the box.

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[...] How much more generous can a developer be than to provide source code patches for a feature, provide information on how to toggle the feature, provide a COMPLETELY FREE way to toggle the feature, and then charge a measly $1.50 for a secondary, slightly more convenient way to toggle.
Yet he's repaid like this .
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Be sure you're looking at all sides. Yes, you're in a losing war with guys intent on pirating your app. You can't stop them, and well, you goofed on the licensing, so someone will no doubt release the clone.
First of all, don't do the Big Media thing and assume that everybody that pirates your app would have paid for it if it hadn't been available. A lot of folks collect, or just try something once. You'll only work yourself into a funk thinking about all that money you "would" have if only they hadn't been able to pirate it. They wouldn't have. At least not all of them.
More importantly, be aware that placing something out there with value does reach folks that otherwise would have no idea of you or your plight. More than once, I've purchased an app that I don't really need, but found clever and cheap enough I can buy it without thinking about the investment. I've spent more on Android software at $1-15 over the last year than I did over the last 25+ at $30-100 a pop. I've only refunded an app once, by accident.
Finally, be up front about your situation. A guy trying to make do does influence my impulse buying. So does his reputation. If you're doing a lot, be sure that's clear on your app page, and let us know clearly you're the guy that also brought us whatever.
I am curious, though: How much did you actually bring in?

Chad- thanks for telling your story, I agree that you have every right to be disappointed. Especially the buying and refunding, that to me send almost worse because you can't stop dedicated pirating, but I would have hoped the rest would have bought the app.
It's easy to forget the human side of development, so thanks for sharing your side.

Jesus christ Chad. This is f$%&*#@ ridiculous. Probably the best and most generous kernel dev I have ever come into contact with, and people are cheating you out of 1.50. Please don't abandon Android. I need kernels when I get my rezound! but in all seriousness, warez needs to stop.
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Yep. Sucks. After getting serious about android , which wasn't too far in, joining with a nexus one and seeing all the free HARD work we get, I definitely try buying stuff I use. If I can't pay sometimes I will see if dev does something else I can donate to. Its an issue I've thought about and part of it really boils down to how sorry people are in general. They want free and cheap. $1 is laughable even when it can be easily had for free. You really should market yourself a bit even though you don't want to. And people should really put a complimentary $5 or so budget a month or more and try to support devs. Maybe if you have something he gave free but has an app you won't use for a buck, buy the dollar app and uninstall after the 15 minute period. Or throw him a 5 through PayPal or something. Its simple really. If these devs don't have to resort to ramen and water they keep dev'ing especially for the community supporting him or her. And if they're eating vegetables and have plenty of red bull money it gives them wings. Otoh, the devs that make us pay to reinstall an app after we bought it on another or lost our phone suck. Balls. Won't buys theirs anymore.
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Maybe you should implement a system like some developers do where you download the app for free with a time limited trail, then they would go to another website to pay for the app to unlock it, and the unlock codes would be unique for every user which would minimize piracy.
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rafa6571 said:
I hope google sells PlayStore cards (like itunes cards) that allows user to buy apps, music, movies, books without a credit card. I really want to buy some amazing apps but i dont have a credit card so i just use free apps. I think that if u cant buy an app that cant be a reason to piracy or sidedownload that app.
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In the Netherlands we have prepaid Visa card.
Works well.
Maybe you google something similar in your own country.
(3V prepaid Visa cards)

That does suck but if someone wants to pirate an app even licencing doesn't stop them as there is an app that apparently patches licence checks.
It is so easy for even a non root and new user to find cracked apps, I have seen links on here and even on peoples facebook sites, it's got to the point where people can just browse a webpage and click a link to get the cracked version of an app.
Unfortunately if someone wants to crack it they can. Unless you could implement your own security check somehow, something obfuscated in the code, licencing is the only alternative as it would stop people using backed up cancelled versions at least.
Unfortunately it seems a lot of people just don't want to pay for apps.
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also have to look at both sides. some people just refuse to pay for **** whatever it is, or get it as cheaply as they can. being android apps, the free route is how they're going to go. but the other side, you hsould be grateful for all the people that do pay. they're the ones helping keeping google, open source, android and everything in between chugging along. open source is the future and you can tell every corporation i said that. and thanks for you your work even though i've never used it.

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Also just to make that point again, if one does not believe in property then inconveniently there is no moral crime here. I suggest learn to live with this and go with the flow
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There is plenty to disagree with in your post as it all seems like an attempt at rationalizing ways to get around the system. This last statement is a ridiculous attempt at summarizing why stealing is OK. Your morals don't define the crime, the law does. Stealing property, physical or intellectual, is not legal and not right regardless of your morals or lack of.
Chad,
I am sorry to hear of your products' abuse. I used your kernels all the time on my Incredible devices and bought IncrediControl to support development. I have purchased many applications just to support development and believe that is the way to get high quality applications.

Piracy is just so damn easy on Android. I know ppl that are doing it who I wouldn't even expect to be doing such a thing. This guy I know love android only because he can get everything free by just googling the apk.

awww thats sad i feel really bad for you!

I've used pre paid visa debit cards to buy apps. You can find them in Any money shop like Cheque cashing places for example. You can even just stick a dicky diver (£5) on them. Perfect for situations like this
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Asphalt 7 leaked today

Ok i will say am sorry for the post, wait until Gameloft releases it on Google Play.
Am not innocent at all, but these "fanboys" sure is. Alot of yall edit and modify ppl apps and software call it your own, then your asking for donation off someone else original idea, then you all talk about piracy tssk give me a break plz.

That's cool, promote piracy.
And "it serves them right"?? Would you rather they release a buggy game? People would be even more pissed if they pay for the game and it doesn't work right. I swear to god, people and their self-entitled attitudes are a major part of what's wrong with the world today.

well to be fair they promised a 25th june release date, why promise when you can't deliver
they should have at least had it ready for the latest android quadcore devices,
have you ever experienced gameloft support, let me tell you now that it sucks bigtime.
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asphalt 7 leak plays on sg s3 except the street/ground is white and htc one x is very laggy and unplayable in some areas

So because they miss their release date it's ok to steal from them? That is ridiculous. Clearly they were having issues. It's gotta be hard as hell making a game like that for Android considering all the different hardware it needs to work on. People need to be reasonable and not act like grade schoolers who's mommies told them they can't have a snack after school.

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That's cool, promote piracy.
And "it serves them right"?? Would you rather they release a buggy game? People would be even more pissed if they pay for the game and it doesn't work right. I swear to god, people and their self-entitled attitudes are a major part of what's wrong with the world today.
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no i dont but am pissed and alot a ppl are when has Gameloft come out and said this was the situation, i havent seen where they did i been to gameloft forum, blog, their youtube vid trailer, twitter and facebook alot a ppl been asking them ? about the game did they once came out personally and say x y z no if it was ios i bet my money they would make a statement saying what was the situation or problem. 3rd party ppl who are saying this is the case is not good enough is like going to the doc and he send the nurse to check you up instead of doing his job. dont be releasing games if its not ready for both devices it feels unfair ppl feel emotional about this type of thing and takes it personal because when u look up to a company or person and they come up short for you thats what happened and knowing they came through and favor ios it sucks

how do we know that this wasn't some marketing strategy or apple paid gameloft a certain amount of money to keep the release from android for a certain amount of time,
all sides have to be looked at here, not "oh gameloft is defo innocent in this"
im not promoting piracy at all, I'm saying that I understand peoples frustrations, the game is absolutely stunning and I will be purchasing it on two of my devices as the price is so cheap, however I wouldn't blame anyone for downloading early

Sometimes it's really hard to deliver the product on time. Problems can happen, you know? Everything could happen, and sometimes a mistake in the last minute can ruin the whole project. I'm not saying that Asphalt 7 for Android is completely ruined, but that Gameloft are probably having difficulties with the Android release. I'm sure they are not delaying the release of the game on purpose, or because they want to tease the users, but because they are working to bring the best experience possible to users. I'm telling you this from experience - a small mistake can ruin everything.

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now you see whats up someone decide to leak the game now, guess what Gameloft must be mad as how we were waiting on it serves them right. now they will loose on profits because i saw everyone swearing at them on youtube under the trailer ppl are pissed and they dont even come personally and say this is the situation a quick google can give you the link follow this user on twitter for the link @ChristoRJ thats where i got it :good:
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Not only does this thread "glorifiy" piracy it also promotes the use of bad grammar and worst of all: the lack of punctuation (or at least a very stripped down version of punctuation).
It also shows a sense of entitlement that's really bad. I myself am waiting for an ICS rom from Samsung for my Galaxy tab, but that doesn't give me the right or justification to walk into a store a simply steal a tab.
The correct response, if you feel "cheated" or mislead by the companies promises is simple:
Don't buy the game if you don't like their policies or support. The effects for the manufacturer are the same (lost revenue) but at least you have the moral advanteage to you. Trying to use their support or policies as an excuse to piracy is just wrong: You're not entitled to own the game!

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no i dont but am pissed and alot a ppl are when has Gameloft come out and said this was the situation, i havent seen where they did i been to gameloft forum, blog, their youtube vid trailer, twitter and facebook alot a ppl been asking them ? about the game did they once came out personally and say x y z no if it was ios i bet my money they would make a statement saying what was the situation or problem. 3rd party ppl who are saying this is the case is not good enough is like going to the doc and he send the nurse to check you up instead of doing his job. dont be releasing games if its not ready for both devices it feels unfair ppl feel emotional about this type of thing and takes it personal because when u look up to a company or person and they come up short for you thats what happened and knowing they came through and favor ios it sucks
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Dude, seriously, you need to make friends with punctuation.

Raymion said:
no i dont but am pissed and alot a ppl are when has Gameloft come out and said this was the situation, i havent seen where they did i been to gameloft forum, blog, their youtube vid trailer, twitter and facebook alot a ppl been asking them ? about the game did they once came out personally and say x y z no if it was ios i bet my money they would make a statement saying what was the situation or problem. 3rd party ppl who are saying this is the case is not good enough is like going to the doc and he send the nurse to check you up instead of doing his job. dont be releasing games if its not ready for both devices it feels unfair ppl feel emotional about this type of thing and takes it personal because when u look up to a company or person and they come up short for you thats what happened and knowing they came through and favor ios it sucks
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Not even going to dignify that with a response. Your age and maturity level come through loud and clear with your attitude and piss poor grammar.
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Localhorst86 said:
Not only does this thread "glorifiy" piracy it also promotes the use of bad grammar and worst of all: the lack of punctuation (or at least a very stripped down version of punctuation).
It also shows a sense of entitlement that's really bad. I myself am waiting for an ICS rom from Samsung for my Galaxy tab, but that doesn't give me the right or justification to walk into a store a simply steal a tab.
The correct response, if you feel "cheated" or mislead by the companies promises is simple:
Don't buy the game if you don't like their policies or support. The effects for the manufacturer are the same (lost revenue) but at least you have the moral advanteage to you. Trying to use their support or policies as an excuse to piracy is just wrong: You're not entitled to own the game!
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You did get every point right? that is all that really matters.

If english is not your native language you don't have to have perfect grammar and punctuation, but you have to at least try. Reading your posts clearly shows you didn't even try.
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ive tested asphalt 7 on gs3 and it plays except for the actual ground/street is white and the htc one x its very laggy and unplayable in some areas
anyway i take it back, gameloft finish your game!!

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You did get every point right? that is all that really matters.
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What points? You haven't made a valid one yet.

inb4 lock.
I'd just like to say that it's not right to pirate a game that costs a few bucks. As a matter of fact it's not really right to pirate anything (even though we all pirate music, for example). I will admit, I have pirated, in the past several games BUT only because they were PC games with a no-return policy that I wanted to try before buying. I did go back and pay for all of them though because I enjoyed them and I wanted to support the developers. But for a platform with a handful of great developers? You really shouldn't, especially when the games cost a few bucks and have a 15-minute refund window (and publishers and developers often will refund you even after those 15 minutes). We're not all angels, but we shouldn't be promoting piracy for the purpose of not paying.
Now, ethics and morals aside, promoting the piracy of a game that hasn't officially been released yet isn't good behavior, and discourages the developers and publishers from providing betas for consumers. It's easy developing for the iPhone because it's essentially one or two sets of hardware. Android has hundreds of different configurations. That's why it's not out yet. They probably have it working on a few devices, but not enough to consider it a stable release.

6. Do not post warez.
If a piece of software requires you to pay to use it, either pay or find your cracks and serials somewhere else. We do not accept warez nor do we permit any member to promote or describe ways in which Warez, cracks, serial codes or other means of avoiding payment, can be obtained.
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Need your advices.

hello everyone
i got a note 10.1 as a gift yesterday, no doubt it is cool, but the thing is that i am in my last season before college and it is very important.
now i am confused whether to sell it and save it's money for later, or keep it (but of course, i am not going to use it very much), the thing is that if i sell it now, i will lose about 130$ of it's price and i have no idea whether the next generation tablets will cost about the same or higher and if i don't sell it now, it's price will will decrease so bad.
the advantages of the first decision is that i will not get distraction from it and the advantages of the second decision is that i will have i high end tablet which i think the next generation tablets wont have so much differences between this generation's.
so what do you think? does it worth to keep it? or i should sell it?
thanks in advance .

Since you dont have a need for tablets, sell it.
I am sure 3-4 years from now tablets (like most other electronics) will become better with evolution. Buy when you need it.
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Why not give it back to the person who bought it for you so they can return it for full price? I know I would be highly pissed off and offended if I bought someone an expensive gift like the Note 10.1 and they turned around and sold it.
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ExploreMN said:
Why not give it back to the person who bought it for you so they can return it for full price? I know I would be highly pissed off and offended if I bought someone an expensive gift like the Note 10.1 and they turned around and sold it.
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Isn't a gift the property of the recipient to do with as they please? Can't say I wouldn't be disappointed, but once it's given, it's use is determined by the person who owns it.
Not trying to be a jerk, but this goes back to a conversation I had once, and a lesson I learned. I gave my brother a balloon, and he popped it on purpose. I was angry, until someone pointed out to me that it was his gift to do with as he pleased. Literally, whatever pleased him most was up to him. If he enjoyed the act of popping the balloon (his choice) more than looking at the balloon (my pre-conceived notion of the "proper" way to enjoy a balloon), who was I to judge that?
If the recipient would be happier selling the gift than keeping the gift, shouldn't they do what makes them most happy? Isn't that the point of a gift?

True but it can also be an easy way to piss off the one who gave the present . Result ungrateful B sold my present and he wont get any more .
I would sell the Note and say to the giver thanks but i sold it and put the money to my educashion and bought some skool books for colidge or something like that .
jje

loribuono said:
Isn't a gift the property of the recipient to do with as they please? Can't say I wouldn't be disappointed, but once it's given, it's use is determined by the person who owns it.
Not trying to be a jerk, but this goes back to a conversation I had once, and a lesson I learned. I gave my brother a balloon, and he popped it on purpose. I was angry, until someone pointed out to me that it was his gift to do with as he pleased. Literally, whatever pleased him most was up to him. If he enjoyed the act of popping the balloon (his choice) more than looking at the balloon (my pre-conceived notion of the "proper" way to enjoy a balloon), who was I to judge that?
If the recipient would be happier selling the gift than keeping the gift, shouldn't they do what makes them most happy? Isn't that the point of a gift?
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There is no argument that he can do whatever the heck he wants, but he asked for advice. My opinion, based on my values, beliefs, morals, whatever...is that if someone gives you a valuable gift and you turn around and sell it...that's a pretty **** move and if I were the gift giver, it would definitely hurt my feelings and leave me with a very sour taste in my mouth. I would likely never buy the ungrateful kid another gift of value. If he turns around and sells it, it is being very disrespectful and ungrateful to the gift giver.
He has plenty of options that would result in him not looking like an ungrateful d-bag. He could tell the gift giver that he would prefer the money be used toward his education and give the gift back so they can return it and give him cash. He could say that, while it was nice, it wasn't what he wanted right now and he would rather have <insert whatever gift here>.
Again, it goes back to the idea that just because you can do something a certain way doesn't mean it is the way you should do it. That's why we are considered developmentally above animals. We *should* have the ability to know the difference between right and wrong in our actions and behaviors. I guess, in my eyes, the relationship between me and the other person is more valuable than whatever money could be gained through the disrespectful act of selling it.

OP, if you're starting college within a year, I'd hold onto it. The Note's specs aren't matched by many tablets now and I don't expect that to have improved next year. You've got to keep in mind that the Note's got 2GB of RAM, which is twice the amount of some of the other tablets labeled as high-end. It's got a quad core proccessor and, most importantly, it has Wacon active digitizer that improves stylus input. If you read member posts by those who are students, they are making great use of all the Note's features. As you've noted, once new merchandise is sold, it's value drops significantly. Good luck.

Each one of you has a point, but, If I sell it now, it is not because I want more money, it is because having such a tablet will distract me from studying as I had a note 1 about 3 months ago, and I can really say that I clould not study while owing it.
It is really a hard choice...
The gift giver is must also be kept in mind, he brought me a gift and I should respect that.
Don't know what do...

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Why not give it back to the person who bought it for you so they can return it for full price? I know I would be highly pissed off and offended if I bought someone an expensive gift like the Note 10.1 and they turned around and sold it.
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In my country, there is no returning unless the product is damaged, even samsung's official shop does not do it.

loribuono said:
Isn't a gift the property of the recipient to do with as they please? Can't say I wouldn't be disappointed, but once it's given, it's use is determined by the person who owns it.
Not trying to be a jerk, but this goes back to a conversation I had once, and a lesson I learned. I gave my brother a balloon, and he popped it on purpose. I was angry, until someone pointed out to me that it was his gift to do with as he pleased. Literally, whatever pleased him most was up to him. If he enjoyed the act of popping the balloon (his choice) more than looking at the balloon (my pre-conceived notion of the "proper" way to enjoy a balloon), who was I to judge that?
If the recipient would be happier selling the gift than keeping the gift, shouldn't they do what makes them most happy? Isn't that the point of a gift?
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You have a point, but when it comes to such an expensive item, I think we should look to this situation in a different way, but again, I cant study while owning such a device

Have you considered that owning this device may actually help you study... It is designed specifically for business and artists but there is a strong leaning towards students to use this also. You have on hand a device you can download and read manuals from, cut and edit pdf's and documents. Grab information straight from the internet and incorporate it into a document.
You can write on the screen without having to use a ton of paper meanin it won't change in weight, and can then annotate things, you can record lectures while they are being given and add hand written notes.
I wish I had this for my school days...

Keep it and learn restraint .
I say keep it..
First it will come in handy when used properly.. And if you say you cant study while you have such a device that distracts your. God forbid you have friends or a Girl/ boy friend..
Keep it and use it to lean to restrain yourself from letting a Device control your Free/ Study time.. If you do not learn this you are going to fail eventually anyway. Im assuming in college and last semester you should already be well on your way to having great time management skills.. I say this thinking about our son who just started college psyc Degree.. He has a long long time to go..
Good Luck either way ..
Ps also if i had bought you such a gift It would hurt my feelings if you sold it so soon . or even consider such as explorer said It is your choice but think ethical about it.. OHH ARE YOU studying to be a Lawyer .. (ohh the ethics thing Guess not)
Giggles GOOD Luck ..
Erica Renee

ExploreMN said:
There is no argument that he can do whatever the heck he wants, but he asked for advice. My opinion, based on my values, beliefs, morals, whatever...is that if someone gives you a valuable gift and you turn around and sell it...that's a pretty **** move and if I were the gift giver, it would definitely hurt my feelings and leave me with a very sour taste in my mouth. I would likely never buy the ungrateful kid another gift of value. If he turns around and sells it, it is being very disrespectful and ungrateful to the gift giver.
He has plenty of options that would result in him not looking like an ungrateful d-bag. He could tell the gift giver that he would prefer the money be used toward his education and give the gift back so they can return it and give him cash. He could say that, while it was nice, it wasn't what he wanted right now and he would rather have <insert whatever gift here>.
Again, it goes back to the idea that just because you can do something a certain way doesn't mean it is the way you should do it. That's why we are considered developmentally above animals. We *should* have the ability to know the difference between right and wrong in our actions and behaviors. I guess, in my eyes, the relationship between me and the other person is more valuable than whatever money could be gained through the disrespectful act of selling it.
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Thanks for sharing your opinions. We disagree. No one can make me feel anything by selling something I gave them. Once given, it's none of my business what the recipient does with it, and it can't change whatever good feelings I had when giving it.

erica_renee said:
I say keep it..
First it will come in handy when used properly.. And if you say you cant study while you have such a device that distracts your. God forbid you have friends or a Girl/ boy friend..
Keep it and use it to lean to restrain yourself from letting a Device control your Free/ Study time.. If you do not learn this you are going to fail eventually anyway. Im assuming in college and last semester you should already be well on your way to having great time management skills.. I say this thinking about our son who just started college psyc Degree.. He has a long long time to go..
Good Luck either way ..
Ps also if i had bought you such a gift It would hurt my feelings if you sold it so soon . or even consider such as explorer said It is your choice but think ethical about it.. OHH ARE YOU studying to be a Lawyer .. (ohh the ethics thing Guess not)
Giggles GOOD Luck ..
Erica Renee
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nice words...
as for time management, i've already made a schedule for studying but the time is not in my side, my country's high school system is wrong, we have more Subjects to study in a very short time.
also, why god would forbid having a friend? a true friend would help me and not distract me.

thank you for sharing you opinions
i am thinking for reasons not to sell it, but it is a hard choice...