5yrs behind again? When can Android finally overthrone iOS?
Now Google and Microsoft are jealous.
http://www.tuaw.com/2011/10/26/why-google-and-microsoft-need-to-fear-siri/
This post is a joke right?
He's baiting the trolls. He just wants to see a flame war.
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I would say it is, yes. But it also shows something else: The power of Apple marketing. Siri used to be an app in the store, and nothing. Then Apple buys the company, touts Siri as some "revolutionary" thing they created, and look at what's happening - suddenly Siri is the best thing since sliced bread and all other vendors should fear it. Yeah right. If you ask me, Siri is a fad that will quickly blow over. Even with Apple's marketing.
Joke, may be you haven't seen the power of SIRI, it is just I always see my sister talking to her phone and she said it is very useful especially when sending email, he will just say "send mike an email, Can you put up the dialyzer so I can start to dialyze when I got there tomorrow" she does not need to go in the mail app, look for the email addresss, click on the message box and type the message, same as text, I think it is not that useful, but now that I saw my sister doing that, I think I might sell my Infuse 4g and try the 4s, come on I did not post this to hurt your egos which now obviously hurt because you bought an Android device, I too bought Infuse 4g but I am open on any device that will benefit me.
The difference between me and some guys here, I am open minded on what will benefit me, and some guys defend Android like it is their company and want to beat Apple, Rim, and Window phone 7. And they don't want to let people speak that they made a mistake buying Android or they just love their android.
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Joke, may be you haven't seen the power of SIRI, it is just I always see my sister talking to her phone and she said it is very useful especially when sending email, he will just say "send mike an email, Can you put up the dialyzer so I can start to dialyze when I got there tomorrow" she does not need to go in the mail app, look for the email addresss, click on the message box and type the message, same as text, I think it is not that useful, but now that I saw my sister doing that, I think I might sell my Infuse 4g and try the 4s, come on I did not post this to hurt your egos which now obviously hurt because you bought an Android device, I too bought Infuse 4g but I am open on any device that will benefit me.
The difference between me and some guys here, I am open minded on what will benefit me, and some guys defend Android like it is their company and want to beat Apple, Rim, and Window phone 7. And they don't want to let people speak that they made a mistake buying Android or they just love their android.
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totally agree with this post. Until google puts more thought into the UX it will be behind imo. It has all the features but they're so haphazardly tossed together that using it is a chore.
As much as it is kinda cool in the right situations I see this being just another reason to own a cell signal jamming box. People are already rude enough to make a call while in speaker phone.
Text from my friend,
"If you dont my floorspace I think there's a lot of room in my room as I got a big corner suite so gay just to buy the best thing to me the room only has one bed and is also one clean so club club at so"
"Damn Siri"
Android is FAR AHEAD OF Apple.
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bleach168 said:
Text from my friend,
"If you dont my floorspace I think there's a lot of room in my room as I got a big corner suite so gay just to buy the best thing to me the room only has one bed and is also one clean so club club at so"
"Damn Siri"
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You should upload a screenshot of that!
Yes I know when I used the mic button on my Android Infuse 4g it ends up like that, it will never understand how you speak, unlike SIRI you can even correct the word you say even you say it the wrong way just correct it, the next time you say it on your accent it will understand it, or may be that is how your friend speak, tell him to take english class online, it is cheaper online.
Have to admit... It is quite accurate..
I used it at a busy apple store, and it still heard me!
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spirikitik said:
Yes I know when I used the mic button on my Android Infuse 4g it ends up like that, it will never understand how you speak, unlike SIRI you can even correct the word you say even you say it the wrong way just correct it, the next time you say it on your accent it will understand it, or may be that is how your friend speak, tell him to take english class online, it is cheaper online.
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I sure hope SIRI isn't submitting your posts, because if that's the case it's completely worthless.
You do realize SIRI is just an app right? If you think an app can put apple 5 years ahead of android, none of your posts should be taken seriously. In my opinion, the SUPERUSER app puts android infinitely ahead of apple. Android has personal assistant apps, and I am quite sure the developers will be working hard on them now. Apple has nothing to the likes of Superuser and never will.
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I sure hope SIRI isn't submitting your posts, because if that's the case it's completely worthless.
You do realize SIRI is just an app right? If you think an app can put apple 5 years ahead of android, none of your posts should be taken seriously. In my opinion, the SUPERUSER app puts android infinitely ahead of apple. Android has personal assistant apps, and I am quite sure the developers will be working hard on them now. Apple has nothing to the likes of Superuser and never will.
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You just quote and quote, obviously you don't read, I don't have an iPhone 4s yet i have infuse 4g, i am on the edge, next time read every post completely so people will even have a chance to may be think, your reply make sense. And SIRI is not an app now, you can't buy it on appstore if you have an iPhone 4, you need more knowledge about tech, obviously you are outdated
I hope this doesn't irritate too many people but imagine the irritation when you have been flashing BIOS and firmware upgrades since eproms and PLA's still existed and they were erased with intense U/V light. Not to mention of course the 30+ years that I have been an UBER: power using mega puter punk since the days of black boxing and phone phreaking were dominating the scene on 8 bit machines and BBS's were my middle name... A founding member of S.W.A.P. (South Western Alliance of Pirates) and N.A.P. BBS #48 (National Association of Pirates)... Arizona my homestate and still proud to call it such after 44 years was 48 to be admitted into the Union's statehood of love...thus matching the one BBS per state allowed by the N.A.P. eLEETz...and their self given but not too kool now so I will stop powers that be....
Anywayz...just the thing is to wonder why after flashing and ROMing phonez now for many years I am having to go through all of this just to be allowed to NOT actually START A NEW THREAD but just POST to the Developer forums unless I post 10 or more messages in this eLEETist world of portable micro computing device maniacs that is nothing but BOOBz and NOOBz asking the dorkiest questions at every turn and I cannot ask an intelligent one just to make something happen for myself and about .... let's see... a possibility of 4,791,015 possible other members than myself ... because someone left out their home phone # (if they still exist anymore... *grin*) so that I could instead just call them up in the middle of their dinner and Wheel of Fortune and ask them personally instead of the right way and that is right in the forum and thread that more information or guidance was truly just a ten second away assist kinda sorta proper way of asking... I believe the universal series of symbols and or arcane cryptic ASCII/ANSI character set would look something like this... 'REPLY' if I were to actually be able to click it and get the editor to begin my life over again I would...instead of this...but oh well, you can't have a history like mine and I never even let LOCALs onto my old and ancient little club of the most eLEETist and p!mp!n' group of jive @$$ honkey MoFo;z ya ever never laid eyez on...unless you were some divorced or never married Motorola or Intel engineer geekiest (even more than me...yeah...) super puter jack on the scene and ran the local user group consisting of about 25-40 of those old phat @$$e$ and a couple of kidz that were 14-16 years old like I was at the time...and when we graced them with our presence they swarmed us for just about anything and everything because face it...what is true today was true back then...the K!Dz had all of the idle time to collect and archive it all...and the old phartz had all the cash... I think I have painted enough of a picture for one horrible post... so yeah...we exploited the crap out of them...and they never hesitated a second to make use the most cash flow puter punk rich so that we didn't even have to scam Target anymore by returning old Commodore 64's for a $249.00 +tax cash right now refund that we just purchased from the local paper for $100-150 as long as they had the original box and we did it all without receipts...sheeee!t mang...we didn't even do or have to sell drugz and kept our brainz fairly clean until high school of course...hey...but that is a DIFFERENT story...
(The Crypt was the name of one of my BBS's...The Assassin's Guild be the other...but irrelevant here so ignore that last part and most of this entire thread...and if you are still reading you are not so bright and even more frustrated that I am right now for even have had to type this and annoy you too!...so sorry ahead of time and on the back end...if you are a moderator please don't ban me just eLEETvate me with you magic wand or I will probably just cry! ;() *grinning widely now* I also paid proper and well worth cash for the AndyAPP ....
One down and NINE more to go...but I promise not to do it here... I will randomly space them out in order to treat the masses with my verbal gasses... I just wish there were iPhoney forums here and I would have just straight up LAID INTO THOSE douche'z and received the key to the XDA village for listing my 100 true facts about crApple stInc. that is you knew even one of the first TOP 10 you would not ever purchase an iPhoney or an iPud or any iDevice ever again... but then we are talking about crApple purchasing NEW TECH BABY BOOMERz or as I like to refer to them as .... Generation iPudz... because padz are for your chickz puzzy (if you are not tooooooo much of a phone geek that iz and have one...) and tablets are what Moses presented the TEN COMMANDMENTS ON!!!! uh,,,huh... I said it! and the #1 reason.... heh... okay...
Because they never read the EULA they don't even know that they don't even OWN but LEASE these can be disabled and manipulated anytime and YES throttled by crApple to be sluggish and slow...hmmmm...just before the release of a new iPhoney so that they will act like little consumer drones consuming good air standing in line waiting for that crApple!!!! crap by the krAppleHeAdZ because they are overpriced and they think and believe the deceptive marketing ads some banned worldwide about them having capabilities that their wireless partner doesn't allow half truths crAPPLE CRAP!!! and also think they are not getting the best thinking of thing that money will never be worth and still they buy!!! these under enabled locked up for only the greediest of reasons that only crApple stInc. and the rest of the almost 5 million of us that just seem to know... heh! SALUTE' everyone and thank you for reading if you got this far...
TooTLEz all, I will either be kicked off or promoted...but probably it will just get deleted with a IM NOT AS OLD OR AS EXPERIENCED AS YOU BUT I REIGN SUPREME IN ONLY MY WORLD warning from someone that wasn't even born when I hacked out my first long distance access number code from good old... U.S. SPRINT.... because they were only 5 unsecure digits back then after you dial in.....LOSERz.... and I could randomly snag a few a night....while sleeeeeeeeeeeeping.... NIGHT NIGHT...because I have been up all night again...and yesterday was my 44th birthday!!! So there!
KiRbYdOoO
a.k.a. The Assassin (just a kid)
a.k.a. The Undertaker (an infant)
a.k.a. The dude that banged your mother and abandoned you both! (That was exactly nine months prior to however old you think you are!)
PPMD >>>-------------> and if you don't know what that means then you wouldn't make a p!mple on a eLEETz geekz @$$...!!!!
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KiRbYOoO said:
I hope this doesn't irritate too many people but imagine the irritation when you have been flashing BIOS and firmware upgrades since eproms and PLA's still existed and they were erased with intense U/V light. Not to mention of course the 30+ years that I have been an UBER: power using mega puter punk since the days of black boxing and phone phreaking were dominating the scene on 8 bit machines and BBS's were my middle name... A founding member of S.W.A.P. (South Western Alliance of Pirates) and N.A.P. BBS #48 (National Association of Pirates)... Arizona my homestate and still proud to call it such after 44 years was 48 to be admitted into the Union's statehood of love...thus matching the one BBS per state allowed by the N.A.P. eLEETz...and their self given but not too kool now so I will stop powers that be....
Anywayz...just the thing is to wonder why after flashing and ROMing phonez now for many years I am having to go through all of this just to be allowed to NOT actually START A NEW THREAD but just POST to the Developer forums unless I post 10 or more messages in this eLEETist world of portable micro computing device maniacs that is nothing but BOOBz and NOOBz asking the dorkiest questions at every turn and I cannot ask an intelligent one just to make something happen for myself and about .... let's see... a possibility of 4,791,015 possible other members than myself ... because someone left out their home phone # (if they still exist anymore... *grin*) so that I could instead just call them up in the middle of their dinner and Wheel of Fortune and ask them personally instead of the right way and that is right in the forum and thread that more information or guidance was truly just a ten second away assist kinda sorta proper way of asking... I believe the universal series of symbols and or arcane cryptic ASCII/ANSI character set would look something like this... 'REPLY' if I were to actually be able to click it and get the editor to begin my life over again I would...instead of this...but oh well, you can't have a history like mine and I never even let LOCALs onto my old and ancient little club of the most eLEETist and p!mp!n' group of jive @$$ honkey MoFo;z ya ever never laid eyez on...unless you were some divorced or never married Motorola or Intel engineer geekiest (even more than me...yeah...) super puter jack on the scene and ran the local user group consisting of about 25-40 of those old phat @$$e$ and a couple of kidz that were 14-16 years old like I was at the time...and when we graced them with our presence they swarmed us for just about anything and everything because face it...what is true today was true back then...the K!Dz had all of the idle time to collect and archive it all...and the old phartz had all the cash... I think I have painted enough of a picture for one horrible post... so yeah...we exploited the crap out of them...and they never hesitated a second to make use the most cash flow puter punk rich so that we didn't even have to scam Target anymore by returning old Commodore 64's for a $249.00 +tax cash right now refund that we just purchased from the local paper for $100-150 as long as they had the original box and we did it all without receipts...sheeee!t mang...we didn't even do or have to sell drugz and kept our brainz fairly clean until high school of course...hey...but that is a DIFFERENT story...
(The Crypt was the name of one of my BBS's...The Assassin's Guild be the other...but irrelevant here so ignore that last part and most of this entire thread...and if you are still reading you are not so bright and even more frustrated that I am right now for even have had to type this and annoy you too!...so sorry ahead of time and on the back end...if you are a moderator please don't ban me just eLEETvate me with you magic wand or I will probably just cry! ;() *grinning widely now* I also paid proper and well worth cash for the AndyAPP ....
One down and NINE more to go...but I promise not to do it here... I will randomly space them out in order to treat the masses with my verbal gasses... I just wish there were iPhoney forums here and I would have just straight up LAID INTO THOSE douche'z and received the key to the XDA village for listing my 100 true facts about crApple stInc. that is you knew even one of the first TOP 10 you would not ever purchase an iPhoney or an iPud or any iDevice ever again... but then we are talking about crApple purchasing NEW TECH BABY BOOMERz or as I like to refer to them as .... Generation iPudz... because padz are for your chickz puzzy (if you are not tooooooo much of a phone geek that iz and have one...) and tablets are what Moses presented the TEN COMMANDMENTS ON!!!! uh,,,huh... I said it! and the #1 reason.... heh... okay...
Because they never read the EULA they don't even know that they don't even OWN but LEASE these can be disabled and manipulated anytime and YES throttled by crApple to be sluggish and slow...hmmmm...just before the release of a new iPhoney so that they will act like little consumer drones consuming good air standing in line waiting for that crApple!!!! crap by the krAppleHeAdZ because they are overpriced and they think and believe the deceptive marketing ads some banned worldwide about them having capabilities that their wireless partner doesn't allow half truths crAPPLE CRAP!!! and also think they are not getting the best thinking of thing that money will never be worth and still they buy!!! these under enabled locked up for only the greediest of reasons that only crApple stInc. and the rest of the almost 5 million of us that just seem to know... heh! SALUTE' everyone and thank you for reading if you got this far...
TooTLEz all, I will either be kicked off or promoted...but probably it will just get deleted with a IM NOT AS OLD OR AS EXPERIENCED AS YOU BUT I REIGN SUPREME IN ONLY MY WORLD warning from someone that wasn't even born when I hacked out my first long distance access number code from good old... U.S. SPRINT.... because they were only 5 unsecure digits back then after you dial in.....LOSERz.... and I could randomly snag a few a night....while sleeeeeeeeeeeeping.... NIGHT NIGHT...because I have been up all night again...and yesterday was my 44th birthday!!! So there!
KiRbYdOoO
a.k.a. The Assassin (just a kid)
a.k.a. The Undertaker (an infant)
a.k.a. The dude that banged your mother and abandoned you both! (That was exactly nine months prior to however old you think you are!)
PPMD >>>-------------> and if you don't know what that means then you wouldn't make a p!mple on a eLEETz geekz @$$...!!!!
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and uhhhh.....lookz like only 6 more to go not 9 so good!
KiRbYOoO said:
I hope this doesn't irritate too many people but imagine the irritation when you have been flashing BIOS and firmware upgrades since eproms and PLA's still existed and they were erased with intense U/V light. Not to mention of course the 30+ years that I have been an UBER: power using mega puter punk since the days of black boxing and phone phreaking were dominating the scene on 8 bit machines and BBS's were my middle name... A founding member of S.W.A.P. (South Western Alliance of Pirates) and N.A.P. BBS #48 (National Association of Pirates)... Arizona my homestate and still proud to call it such after 44 years was 48 to be admitted into the Union's statehood of love...thus matching the one BBS per state allowed by the N.A.P. eLEETz...and their self given but not too kool now so I will stop powers that be....
Anywayz...just the thing is to wonder why after flashing and ROMing phonez now for many years I am having to go through all of this just to be allowed to NOT actually START A NEW THREAD but just POST to the Developer forums unless I post 10 or more messages in this eLEETist world of portable micro computing device maniacs that is nothing but BOOBz and NOOBz asking the dorkiest questions at every turn and I cannot ask an intelligent one just to make something happen for myself and about .... let's see... a possibility of 4,791,015 possible other members than myself ... because someone left out their home phone # (if they still exist anymore... *grin*) so that I could instead just call them up in the middle of their dinner and Wheel of Fortune and ask them personally instead of the right way and that is right in the forum and thread that more information or guidance was truly just a ten second away assist kinda sorta proper way of asking... I believe the universal series of symbols and or arcane cryptic ASCII/ANSI character set would look something like this... 'REPLY' if I were to actually be able to click it and get the editor to begin my life over again I would...instead of this...but oh well, you can't have a history like mine and I never even let LOCALs onto my old and ancient little club of the most eLEETist and p!mp!n' group of jive @$$ honkey MoFo;z ya ever never laid eyez on...unless you were some divorced or never married Motorola or Intel engineer geekiest (even more than me...yeah...) super puter jack on the scene and ran the local user group consisting of about 25-40 of those old phat @$$e$ and a couple of kidz that were 14-16 years old like I was at the time...and when we graced them with our presence they swarmed us for just about anything and everything because face it...what is true today was true back then...the K!Dz had all of the idle time to collect and archive it all...and the old phartz had all the cash... I think I have painted enough of a picture for one horrible post... so yeah...we exploited the crap out of them...and they never hesitated a second to make use the most cash flow puter punk rich so that we didn't even have to scam Target anymore by returning old Commodore 64's for a $249.00 +tax cash right now refund that we just purchased from the local paper for $100-150 as long as they had the original box and we did it all without receipts...sheeee!t mang...we didn't even do or have to sell drugz and kept our brainz fairly clean until high school of course...hey...but that is a DIFFERENT story...
(The Crypt was the name of one of my BBS's...The Assassin's Guild be the other...but irrelevant here so ignore that last part and most of this entire thread...and if you are still reading you are not so bright and even more frustrated that I am right now for even have had to type this and annoy you too!...so sorry ahead of time and on the back end...if you are a moderator please don't ban me just eLEETvate me with you magic wand or I will probably just cry! ;() *grinning widely now* I also paid proper and well worth cash for the AndyAPP ....
One down and NINE more to go...but I promise not to do it here... I will randomly space them out in order to treat the masses with my verbal gasses... I just wish there were iPhoney forums here and I would have just straight up LAID INTO THOSE douche'z and received the key to the XDA village for listing my 100 true facts about crApple stInc. that is you knew even one of the first TOP 10 you would not ever purchase an iPhoney or an iPud or any iDevice ever again... but then we are talking about crApple purchasing NEW TECH BABY BOOMERz or as I like to refer to them as .... Generation iPudz... because padz are for your chickz puzzy (if you are not tooooooo much of a phone geek that iz and have one...) and tablets are what Moses presented the TEN COMMANDMENTS ON!!!! uh,,,huh... I said it! and the #1 reason.... heh... okay...
Because they never read the EULA they don't even know that they don't even OWN but LEASE these can be disabled and manipulated anytime and YES throttled by crApple to be sluggish and slow...hmmmm...just before the release of a new iPhoney so that they will act like little consumer drones consuming good air standing in line waiting for that crApple!!!! crap by the krAppleHeAdZ because they are overpriced and they think and believe the deceptive marketing ads some banned worldwide about them having capabilities that their wireless partner doesn't allow half truths crAPPLE CRAP!!! and also think they are not getting the best thinking of thing that money will never be worth and still they buy!!! these under enabled locked up for only the greediest of reasons that only crApple stInc. and the rest of the almost 5 million of us that just seem to know... heh! SALUTE' everyone and thank you for reading if you got this far...
TooTLEz all, I will either be kicked off or promoted...but probably it will just get deleted with a IM NOT AS OLD OR AS EXPERIENCED AS YOU BUT I REIGN SUPREME IN ONLY MY WORLD warning from someone that wasn't even born when I hacked out my first long distance access number code from good old... U.S. SPRINT.... because they were only 5 unsecure digits back then after you dial in.....LOSERz.... and I could randomly snag a few a night....while sleeeeeeeeeeeeping.... NIGHT NIGHT...because I have been up all night again...and yesterday was my 44th birthday!!! So there!
KiRbYdOoO
a.k.a. The Assassin (just a kid)
a.k.a. The Undertaker (an infant)
a.k.a. The dude that banged your mother and abandoned you both! (That was exactly nine months prior to however old you think you are!)
PPMD >>>-------------> and if you don't know what that means then you wouldn't make a p!mple on a eLEETz geekz @$$...!!!!
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Holy crap dude! Are you trying to write a book or something? Your off to a bad start with this rant!
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Endoroid said:
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Was just going to post that !
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OP its a thread not a book. WTF is a boon ? Pass the blunt this way bro , must be some good weed you're smoking !1!111!!
EDIT : Just read some of your ranting , do everyone a service and post @ http://boards.4chan.org/b/ <<<<< [NSFW]
Returned my GS4 today (that's not the purpose of this thread, so don't bash me), and when the guy asked why I was returning it, I said it's kind of laggy and not enough of an upgrade over my GS3 to warrant keeping. A few minutes later he asked if I ever "activated" the phone, and I said, "I just stuck my SIM card in and it worked." He responded, "Well that is why your GS4 was slow--you did not activate it properly."
I proceeded to explain to him that I did not mean that data was slow, but that the phone itself was laggy, i.e., opening dialer, taking pictures, etc--stuff that has nothing to do with the SIM card or activation. He nevertheless argued with me and insisted that if I had properly activated it instead of just inserting my SIM card, then it would have functioned better. We argued for a minute or two and then I just gave up and said "fine, I would like to return it anyways, thanks."
Anyways, just thought I'd share. The guy clearly has no idea what he's talking about, but it was worth a laugh.
It's like when I told the att rep that I might not be purchasing tha s4 because of the locked boot loader. She proceeded to explain that you could take the back of the phone off and that it was not locked.
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It's like when I told the att rep that I might not be purchasing tha s4 because of the locked boot loader. She proceeded to explain that you could take the back of the phone off and that it was not locked.
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Lol do these people get ZERO training?
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It's like when I told the att rep that I might not be purchasing tha s4 because of the locked boot loader. She proceeded to explain that you could take the back of the phone off and that it was not locked.
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Ha. Funniest post so far today...
Ugh, this makes me so angry. These AT&T reps remind me of Best Buy employees that sell computers or phones. They are so used to being the "person that knows everything" that they can't deal with being proved wrong or won't see it any other way. For example, I wanted a Macbook Pro and I knew the onboard video card could run my favorite games at a full 60 fps.. So I asked for a sales person to get me the laptop in the cage. Instead, I was given a lecture by the sales person on why "Macs can't play games" and I should get this HP "gaming" laptop (17 inches, neon lights, etc). I tried to educate him on things like bootcamp, nVidia series numbers, and even the games themselves, but nothing got through. He was told at some point in his life that "Macs can't play games" and that's that.
It's gotten to the point where if I want to cancel a service or return a product and they ask "what was wrong?" I simply say "it wasn't the right fit for me" or "I just want to try something else". It's not worth getting in an argument about because there are no winners and you aren't going to educate anyone that gets paid to sell, sell, sell. Educate yourself ahead of time of the store's policies and if the rep tries to give you sh*t, just ask for a manager and be sure you are able to quote policy if need be.
I work for AT&T. I'm not a tech support slave, I'd like to keep my title confidential, but I will say that these people don't deserve this kind of trashtalk.
Do remember that over 90% of AT&T's subscriber base is not the type of individual that's going to browse these forums or know what a locked bootloader even is. The % of the Android community that is into modding is way smaller than you think. Why would AT&T train their tech support slaves on locked bootloaders and rooting? 99% of the time, they deal with billing issues and irate customers who are complaining about service drops.
The tech support slaves also don't have training on the internal workings of the tiered system of Android. They didn't make the phone, they can't tell you why it's slow. The only material they have to go off of, is the same material that's available to us from within the box, and the information they catch up on when people call and complain to them. They aren't programmers, they aren't Samsung. They aren't Google. They are a provider of service. I'm sure almost everyone here would agree that it's dumb to call Comcast and ask them why your computer is slow(Not your internet, but your computer). This is the exact same thing. What do you expect them to say when you say "I'm not going to get the S4 because it has a locked bootloader"? Do you expect the response to be "Well sir I can assist you with that. Please dial this 24 digit number and the pound key and your bootloader will be unlocked.", how do you expect them to fix it for you? Locked bootloaders happen for a LEGAL reason, and the bootloader has already been unlocked. Everyone on XDA is so impatient and rude anymore, it makes me not want to be a part of the degrading community.
In my opinion, the person calling AT&T to complain about their phone being slow and laggy shows less common sense than the AT&T rep who can't help them. Just because they're "Tech Support" doesn't mean they can magically give you explenations out of the nether or fix any problem you might have with the hardware that they did not manufacture. Android is an operating system. If you bought your computer from Walmart and it came with Windows installed, would you call Walmart and ask them questions about why your system isn't performing the way it's supposed to, or would you call Microsoft; the people responsible for the software on the device?
Cut these people a break. It's impossible to police the entire bug list of Android across every handset on the market. 90% of the Android user-base wouldn't even notice that the phone was performing slowly when it shouldn't. Us here at XDA are a huge minority.
When I saw this thread, I laughed, not because of what the AT&T rep said, but because the OP was expecting them to give them some detailed analysis on why their phone is lagging. Maybe AT&T should start hiring their tech support slaves directly from Google Interns, then these wambulance threads wouldn't happen.
If you had any idea how much "training" is required to work in any kind of support department for AT&T, you would think twice before crying on forums about how they didn't rifle off a fix for every little problem you have.
As to the comment above me, I will recite the same. Sales people aren't scholars of technology. He's correct that gaming on a Mac is very uncommon, considering almost every computer game in existence runs on DirectX, which is owned by Microsoft, thus not able to be efficiently included in OS X. Do you really damn the salesman for telling you that Windows has 3498230948230948x more gaming capabilities than a Mac? Because I hate to tell you this, but he's right. If I were the salesman, I would try to prevent you from grossly overpaying by 200-300% for a device that you're going to have to jump through hoops for to play an insanely large library of games. What makes it even more hilarious is that now you can install OS X on a Windows based machine, so you're literally overpaying 200-300% for a shiny white Mac because you are a sheeple. Show me any Mac, and I'll build you a Windows computer with Mac OS-X on it for a third of the price. But seriously, If you want to buy a Mac for gaming and you want them to talk to you about strictly Macs, go to an apple store. If you go to a computer store, they're going to try to talk you into Windows, because it's what 85% of the world uses. This is also not a random statistic, although the study is a few years old.
geokhentix said:
I work for AT&T. I'm not a tech support slave, I'd like to keep my title confidential, but I will say that these people don't deserve this kind of trashtalk.
Do remember that over 90% of AT&T's subscriber base is not the type of individual that's going to browse these forums or know what a locked bootloader even is. The % of the Android community that is into modding is way smaller than you think. Why would AT&T train their tech support slaves on locked bootloaders and rooting? 99% of the time, they deal with billing issues and irate customers who are complaining about service drops.
The tech support slaves also don't have training on the internal workings of the tiered system of Android. They didn't make the phone, they can't tell you why it's slow. The only material they have to go off of, is the same material that's available to us from within the box, and the information they catch up on when people call and complain to them. They aren't programmers, they aren't Samsung. They aren't Google. They are a provider of service. I'm sure almost everyone here would agree that it's dumb to call Comcast and ask them why your computer is slow(Not your internet, but your computer). This is the exact same thing. What do you expect them to say when you say "I'm not going to get the S4 because it has a locked bootloader"? Do you expect the response to be "Well sir I can assist you with that. Please dial this 24 digit number and the pound key and your bootloader will be unlocked.", how do you expect them to fix it for you? Locked bootloaders happen for a LEGAL reason, and the bootloader has already been unlocked. Everyone on XDA is so impatient and rude anymore, it makes me not want to be a part of the degrading community.
In my opinion, the person calling AT&T to complain about their phone being slow and laggy shows less common sense than the AT&T rep who can't help them. Just because they're "Tech Support" doesn't mean they can magically give you explenations out of the nether or fix any problem you might have with the hardware that they did not manufacture. Android is an operating system. If you bought your computer from Walmart and it came with Windows installed, would you call Walmart and ask them questions about why your system isn't performing the way it's supposed to, or would you call Microsoft; the people responsible for the software on the device?
Cut these people a break. It's impossible to police the entire bug list of Android across every handset on the market. 90% of the Android user-base wouldn't even notice that the phone was performing slowly when it shouldn't. Us here at XDA are a huge minority.
When I saw this thread, I laughed, not because of what the AT&T rep said, but because the OP was expecting them to give them some detailed analysis on why their phone is lagging. Maybe AT&T should start hiring their tech support slaves directly from Google Interns, then these wambulance threads wouldn't happen.
If you had any idea how much "training" is required to work in any kind of support department for AT&T, you would think twice before crying on forums about how they didn't rifle off a fix for every little problem you have.
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Agree!
It's like people expect that store (best buy, cellular ect) employees all have a BAS or MBA in computer science..
Could have read it wrong,but looks like he was returning his phone and the att rep asked him why. So he told them. what was wrong with that? He didn't take his phone to att thinking some kind of magic was going to take place and it wouldn't lag anymore. That was the att rep saying if he actavatied it he wouldn't have that problem. Again maybe I read the op wrong.
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I'm fine with people not knowing if its that important i will usually know about it anyways. I just dislike it when I get a bull crap response in return. If I do receive one I don't make a scene and argue with them. I just thought that response was worth a chuckle or two.
atsim said:
Could have read it wrong,but looks like he was returning his phone and the att rep asked him why. So he told them. what was wrong with that? He didn't take his phone to att thinking some kind of magic was going to take place and it wouldn't lag anymore. That was the att rep saying if he actavatied it he wouldn't have that problem. Again maybe I read the op wrong.
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Considering the title of the thread is meant to find humor in the reps response, it doesn't really matter how it came about. If he wanted to return his phone, do it without picking fun at people who are literally paid to be treated like dirt. I have to talk to support every single day in my job, and trust me, it can be a huge headache, but I don't hold it against them because I know that when I hang up with them, 9 times out of 10, the next person that picks up the phone is going to scream at them.
Perhaps I was a little rude, I meant no offense to any of you.
geokhentix said:
I work for AT&T. I'm not a tech support slave, I'd like to keep my title confidential, but I will say that these people don't deserve this kind of trashtalk.
Do remember that over 90% of AT&T's subscriber base is not the type of individual that's going to browse these forums or know what a locked bootloader even is. The % of the Android community that is into modding is way smaller than you think. Why would AT&T train their tech support slaves on locked bootloaders and rooting? 99% of the time, they deal with billing issues and irate customers who are complaining about service drops.
The tech support slaves also don't have training on the internal workings of the tiered system of Android. They didn't make the phone, they can't tell you why it's slow. The only material they have to go off of, is the same material that's available to us from within the box, and the information they catch up on when people call and complain to them. They aren't programmers, they aren't Samsung. They aren't Google. They are a provider of service. I'm sure almost everyone here would agree that it's dumb to call Comcast and ask them why your computer is slow(Not your internet, but your computer). This is the exact same thing. What do you expect them to say when you say "I'm not going to get the S4 because it has a locked bootloader"? Do you expect the response to be "Well sir I can assist you with that. Please dial this 24 digit number and the pound key and your bootloader will be unlocked.", how do you expect them to fix it for you? Locked bootloaders happen for a LEGAL reason, and the bootloader has already been unlocked. Everyone on XDA is so impatient and rude anymore, it makes me not want to be a part of the degrading community.
In my opinion, the person calling AT&T to complain about their phone being slow and laggy shows less common sense than the AT&T rep who can't help them. Just because they're "Tech Support" doesn't mean they can magically give you explenations out of the nether or fix any problem you might have with the hardware that they did not manufacture. Android is an operating system. If you bought your computer from Walmart and it came with Windows installed, would you call Walmart and ask them questions about why your system isn't performing the way it's supposed to, or would you call Microsoft; the people responsible for the software on the device?
Cut these people a break. It's impossible to police the entire bug list of Android across every handset on the market. 90% of the Android user-base wouldn't even notice that the phone was performing slowly when it shouldn't. Us here at XDA are a huge minority.
When I saw this thread, I laughed, not because of what the AT&T rep said, but because the OP was expecting them to give them some detailed analysis on why their phone is lagging. Maybe AT&T should start hiring their tech support slaves directly from Google Interns, then these wambulance threads wouldn't happen.
If you had any idea how much "training" is required to work in any kind of support department for AT&T, you would think twice before crying on forums about how they didn't rifle off a fix for every little problem you have.
As to the comment above me, I will recite the same. Sales people aren't scholars of technology. He's correct that gaming on a Mac is very uncommon, considering almost every computer game in existence runs on DirectX, which is owned by Microsoft, thus not able to be efficiently included in OS X. Do you really damn the salesman for telling you that Windows has 3498230948230948x more gaming capabilities than a Mac? Because I hate to tell you this, but he's right. If I were the salesman, I would try to prevent you from grossly overpaying by 200-300% for a device that you're going to have to jump through hoops for to play an insanely large library of games. What makes it even more hilarious is that now you can install OS X on a Windows based machine, so you're literally overpaying 200-300% for a shiny white Mac because you are a sheeple. Show me any Mac, and I'll build you a Windows computer with Mac OS-X on it for a third of the price. But seriously, If you want to buy a Mac for gaming and you want them to talk to you about strictly Macs, go to an apple store. If you go to a computer store, they're going to try to talk you into Windows, because it's what 85% of the world uses. This is also not a random statistic, although the study is a few years old.
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I tend to disagree. While sure, the reps may not be "informed" they still shouldn't try to talk out of their asses about something they don't understand. If anything this would shy me away from a product than entice me to get it. Imagine if you go to a restaurant and you ask the waiter/waitress about ingredients in a dish, they don't make stuff up if they don't know, they go ask.
As for this being a "degrading community" please get off this forum, as it's clearly not for you.
raqball said:
Agree!
It's like people expect that store (best buy, cellular ect) employees all have a BAS or MBA in computer science..
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My only gripe is when the person you are talking to (best buy, AT&T, etc) claims that they KNOW they are right because they've had some Saturday afternoon training.
See my example above. All I did was ask for a Macbook Pro from the Best Buy rep and I was questioned on my purchase. A more recent example was the AT&T rep asking me why I cared about the release date of the Galaxy S4 because "it's not like this is an iPhone". It shouldn't matter if it's the S4, iPhone or even a dumb phone. Just answer my question and I'll be on my way.
Even when I went to the store to pick up the S4, the AT&T rep started the phone, and logged in as his own Gmail account and installed a "task killer". He had the phone behind the desk where I couldn't see and by the time I had gotten it in my hands, he had logged out of his account. I asked simply "why did you install this?" and he said "well that's so your phone doesn't run slow. Just run that every couple days and your good". I just factory reset as soon as I got in the car and went on my way.
mcmb03 said:
I tend to disagree. While sure, the reps may not be "informed" they still shouldn't try to talk out of their asses about something they don't understand. If anything this would shy me away from a product than entice me to get it. Imagine if you go to a restaurant and you ask the waiter/waitress about ingredients in a dish, they don't make stuff up if they don't know, they go ask.
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They are paid to handle your questions. That is their job. They are not allowed to say "I don't know.", or they will lose their job. If I were at a restaurant and asked a waiter about the ingredients in a dish, I would know that the restaurant obviously made this dish themselves. AT&T did not manufacture the S4. It is not their hardware. It is not their software..well, a small portion of it is. But either way, they shouldn't be held responsible for the physical malfunctions of a device that they didn't themselves produce.
"Degrading community"; go look at the bootloader unlock thread and see how many people are crying and being impatient and just downright rude because djrbliss decided not to release HIS WORK until he sees necessary, and then tell me this community isn't degrading, and if things keep going in this direction, I will find my way off this forum...Because you are right, it's not for me, because I am not an impatient troll that bites the hand that feeds me just because I don't want to wait a few weeks. I do know that this is irrelevant to this thread, but I thought I'd post it anyway. It bothers me so much. I want to punch everyone being jerks in that thread......right in the face.
No I didn't think it was rude. This is xda though people get crazy over the smallest thing. How many lag threads do we have now? Ahaha things get outta hand fast.
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They are paid to handle your questions. That is their job. They are not allowed to say "I don't know.", or they will lose their job. If I were at a restaurant and asked a waiter about the ingredients in a dish, I would know that the restaurant obviously made this dish themselves. AT&T did not manufacture the S4. It is not their hardware. It is not their software..well, a small portion of it is. But either way, they shouldn't be held responsible for the physical malfunctions of a device that they didn't themselves produce.
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I didn't say they should say they don't know, they should go find a more well-informed rep at the store and find out, unless you condone of AT&T reps to lie to their customers.
Also I don't mean to sound harsh, it's just something that really pisses me off, and I'm not trying to flame you or anything
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I didn't say they should say they don't know, they should go find a more well-informed rep at the store and find out, unless you condone of AT&T reps to lie to their customers.
Also I don't mean to sound harsh, it's just something that really pisses me off, and I'm not trying to flame you or anything
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Hey, no worries, all in good fun right? I don't condone lying, but they aren't allowed to tell you they don't know, they'll lose their jobs if that happens too often...they're basically forced to lie if they can't give you a definite answer. Damn, if I get one bad survey, my director breathes down my neck like a dragon and threatens to send me to gitmo.
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Considering the title of the thread is meant to find humor in the reps response, it doesn't really matter how it came about. If he wanted to return his phone, do it without picking fun at people who are literally paid to be treated like dirt. I have to talk to support every single day in my job, and trust me, it can be a huge headache, but I don't hold it against them because I know that when I hang up with them, 9 times out of 10, the next person that picks up the phone is going to scream at them.
Perhaps I was a little rude, I meant no offense to any of you.
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As a retail sales leader for one of the major 4 in the US I find the OP to have every right to post what he did and use the Thread title he did. The sales rep that helped him in an effing dolt. Along the same lines as the reps that tell customers that they need to condition a Lithium Ion/Lithium Polymer battery. You need to calm down bro.
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I didn't say they should say they don't know, they should go find a more well-informed rep at the store and find out, unless you condone of AT&T reps to lie to their customers.
Also I don't mean to sound harsh, it's just something that really pisses me off, and I'm not trying to flame you or anything
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Exactly making something up is worse then not knowing just tell me you don't know and be done with it. don't make something up and misinform people
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Exactly making something up is worse then not knowing just tell me you don't know and be done with it. don't make something up and misinform people
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When my job is on the line and I have a family to feed and I have no information in front of me about the problem you're having, I'll tell you that your phone is slow because there's a small civilization of gnomes inside your device that are getting a little too sexual and overbreeding
geokhentix said:
When my job is on the line and I have a family to feed and I have no information in front of me about the problem you're having, I'll tell you that your phone is slow because there's a small civilization of gnomes inside your device that are getting a little too sexual and overbreeding
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Now that people would definitely believe!