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"But my iPhone..."

I just wanted to say, if your iPhone did it so well, then go back to your iPhone.
So many people that are coming from Apple don't understand the significance of having a phone that is this customizable and open source to boot. One problem with the device and they want to return it to the store.
There will be problems. If you decide to flash a custom ROM to your phone, there will probably be a few more. You surely remember flashing your iPhone with a new ROM for the first time...right?
Oh, that's right, you couldn't.
iPhone users are sure a different breed. So many wants, so little appreciation. (Also, I'm not calling out EVERY iPhone user on the planet, you all know who you are)
The Captivate is a really, really, nice phone. I don't look at the OS on the phone as something Samsung has anything to do with either, which a lot of people seem to do around these forums.
I purchased this phone, because I have wanted a phone that natively runs Android. I have had Android running on my old HTC kaiser(which is 1000% better than Windows Mobile and keeps the phone current), and my HTC Rhodium. The passion and dedication of Android developers and the willingness of Android adopters to help in any way they can is amazing.
Anyways, I will wait for new ROMs to be released for this phone, and I will be happy with the fact that there will be ROMs for this phone, that it has a stunning display, and that most if not all the shortcomings of the phone will be short lived by the persistently dedicated developers out there. The hardware is great, the OS is great, and will get better over time.
Now, AT&T where is my 4g...

Well said. Now the ROM waiting begins...

I agree 100%! I also had a mini rant regarding everyone looking at their antenna and TRYING to lose bars. Just use the damn phone. If you drop a call, that is a problem. Until then, enjoy it!

lol n1. i hope talking it out helped.

U MAD?
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lateralus1082 said:
U MAD?
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I'm not mad, I just hate having to click through all these threads that people make asking the same questions over and over again and complaining about the same things.

well put !

This thread is great! This OS will evolve and it will change to what the users want and what doesn't get built in the OS most likely will be filled with an app or customized ROMs. I came from an iPhone 3G. I skipped the 3GS upgrade because I wasn't convinced Apple would make significant strides. With this upgrade, I could have went with iPhone 4. Its a nice looking device but I don't want to be shackled by their restrictions. Over a 2 year period they added what...a front facing camera, multitasking and folders??? GIVE ME A BREAK.

you said that perfectly and you know how some people switched from iphone 4 to this and they complain about no flash well all the other iphones didn't have flash either just to put it out there

I am going to wait and skip this phone. Within a few months they will come out with a 1024 x 760 or whatever the new Gingerbread resolution is.... Then I will sell my iPhone 4 and jump back into the fun world of flashing ROM's. That is the only thing I miss about all of my old windows Mobile device..... OH and I did miss the xda-developers for the few years I was away

@dewt
I completely agree with you.. all the points you have made.
If you wanna say "but my iPhone..." stick to your iPhone and let Steve jobs exploit you the way he wants..
Come on... its hard to think that so many ppl are caught under his spell..
I mean come on.. WAT can you do with an iphone??? .. except make and receive (... oh wait a moment...) .. calls???. there is nothing customizable in an iPhone. i got bored within 15 minutes using an iPhone.
I guess i lost all my respect for Apple products bcoz of Steve Jobs attitude(hold the phone different... other phones also face this issue... come on). i feel sorry for his engineers though.
I feel proud to have bought the fastest android device presently and i can live with some imperfections (in fact i love working my way around if i cant figure out things.) Dont you guys think that it makes you learn more stuff.
Google rocks!.. Android is the best eva!! i think with time things will only get better with Android..

This thread is entirely unnecessary and as bad as iPhone owners complaining about the Captivate. I for one have seen almost no threads where someone was saying their iPhone was better and the Captivate couldn't do something. Don't piss off the Captivate community, because a LARGE number of people in the Captivate community seem to be coming from iPhones because this is the first decent Android phone that AT&T has offered. So far I've heard almost nothing but mature conversations between iPhone and Captivate owners until this one. Just a few people coming from iPhones or thinking about coming from an iPhone and wanting to know what the Android OS is capable of and if it will do everything they want so they can decide if they want to swap.

AJerman said:
This thread is entirely unnecessary and as bad as iPhone owners complaining about the Captivate. I for one have seen almost no threads where someone was saying their iPhone was better and the Captivate couldn't do something. Don't piss off the Captivate community, because a LARGE number of people in the Captivate community seem to be coming from iPhones because this is the first decent Android phone that AT&T has offered. So far I've heard almost nothing but mature conversations between iPhone and Captivate owners until this one. Just a few people coming from iPhones or thinking about coming from an iPhone and wanting to know what the Android OS is capable of and if it will do everything they want so they can decide if they want to swap.
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what you say makes sense. But my opinion was tied to the comments i hear from my friends who use iPhones.. so nothing against ppl participating in this community.

definitely have to agree with dewt on this, why? I'm the most anti-iPhone person I know, but I came from WinMo (see sig) and you know what, I love this phone. Sure there are a ton of features missing right now, but that's RIGHT NOW. I know it's gonna get bigger and better, so why complain about things? You know what you should be doing instead of whinning about features that aren't on the phone.... going through posts, searching the internet, asking around and finding out HOW to get them on the phone like I have been! I loved being able to view my Excel docs, so I found a way to have them sync'd online directly from my desktop PC with Offisync, then view them with the Google Docs app.... wow, so difficult....
Bottom line, if you're gonna complain, first think about the fact that you may be complaining for no reason if there is an app, setting, or work-around available. Next, take the iPhone out of your @$$, sit down for once, and relax!!!

Just to clarify, this post does not only extend to people on this forum. All of the iPhone users that I know personally would not even entertain the idea of switching to another phone. Laugh at it really. Even when presented with facts.
I'm just sayin'.

I'll tell you what though. Being a user of both, the Android fanboys are MUCH worse than the iPhone fanboys now. In the past couple of months the Android fanboys have gotten incredibly obnoxious, and it's posts like this, in our own message board, where you still have to try and tell iPhone users how stupid they are that do it. Why don't you just grow up and let people choose what they like and be done. There's no reason that any iPhone user needs to entertain the idea of switching. If they are happy, then good for them, leave them alone. Trust me, I like the customizability of Android quite a bit, that's why I have an Android phone now that AT&T has one worth buying. A lot of people don't give a damn if you can root your phone and make it install apps that the iPhone doesn't have. These topics aren't necessary and only make it worse.

AJerman said:
I'll tell you what though. Being a user of both, the Android fanboys are MUCH worse than the iPhone fanboys now. In the past couple of months the Android fanboys have gotten incredibly obnoxious, and it's posts like this, in our own message board, where you still have to try and tell iPhone users how stupid they are that do it. Why don't you just grow up and let people choose what they like and be done. There's no reason that any iPhone user needs to entertain the idea of switching. If they are happy, then good for them, leave them alone. Trust me, I like the customizability of Android quite a bit, that's why I have an Android phone now that AT&T has one worth buying. A lot of people don't give a damn if you can root your phone and make it install apps that the iPhone doesn't have. These topics aren't necessary and only make it worse.
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You are missing the point ... i think both me and dewt are referring to iPhone users (friends) who try to argue tht iPhones are better than Android phones.
You havto agree tht Android is a competitor for iPhone and now when Android market is growing bigger, the iPhone users (3G , 3GS and 4) are always trying to condescend on the android users which should not be the case!

carporsche said:
You are missing the point ... i think both me and dewt are referring to iPhone users (friends) who try to argue tht iPhones are better than Android phones.
You havto agree tht Android is a competitor for iPhone and now when Android market is growing bigger, the iPhone users (3G , 3GS and 4) are always trying to condescend on the android users which should not be the case!
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I think you are actually missing the point. He was saying that while there have been conversations pointing out improvements that can be made based on iPhone user experience (GPS anyone?), no one here is arguing the iPhone is superior. Posts like dewts just make you look as rabid, ignorant, and uncompromising as the iPhone users you hate.

LiqudDeth said:
I think you are actually missing the point. He was saying that while there have been conversations pointing out improvements that can be made based on iPhone user experience (GPS anyone?), no one here is arguing the iPhone is superior. Posts like dewts just make you look as rabid, ignorant, and uncompromising as the iPhone users you hate.
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Ok! maybe things are going off topic.. Lets stick to getting the best of our android devices!!
lets forget bout iPhones!!
Am surely Captivate(d) by my new Android device

AJerman said:
This thread is entirely unnecessary and as bad as iPhone owners complaining about the Captivate.
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I have seen a few users complain very harshly and unfairly compare this phone and the captivate. They like the iPhone so much they can't even see the good side of android.
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Android R.I.P. - The Grips of Jobs' Dead Hands

Android, and every other touchscreen OS, (besides iOS) you might as well say goodbye to...
Apple now has the power to destroy Android, Windows Phone, and any other iOS Touchscreen Competitor... Steve Jobs wins this round (for now anyways...)
How long before Apple has the S3 Pulled? This is the top iPhone competitor besides the DROID RAZR Series, with the S3 far ahead...
Check this out:
http://www.acsyndicate.net/apple-aw...ts-the-possible-end-of-android-as-we-know-it/
This could spell the end for Android and this phone, and I will not be a happy camper if I can't upgrade because of Apple... I will throw a major tantrum!
Google, act & appeal fast and fix this mess!!!!
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I am not saying this will happen, but is quite possible if the government doesn't block Apple in their tracks from doing so... (I think once Google Appeals, these parents will be made standard for touchscreens...)

deedscreen said:
Android, and every other touchscreen OS, (besides iOS) you might as well say goodbye to...
Apple now has the power to destroy Android, Windows Phone, and any other iOS Touchscreen Competitor... Steve Jobs wins this round (for now anyways...)
How long before Apple has the S3 Pulled? This is the top iPhone competitor besides the DROID RAZR Series, with the S3 far ahead...
Check this out:
http://www.acsyndicate.net/apple-aw...ts-the-possible-end-of-android-as-we-know-it/
This could spell the end for Android and this phone, and I will not be a happy camper if I can't upgrade because of Apple... I will throw a major tantrum!
Google, act & appeal fast and fix this mess!!!!
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If this ever happens i would rather go back to a flip phone or have none at all. I would never give apple any of my money.

I refuse to get an Apple device, but this won't effect available devices in stock or on eBay, so good Android devices will be very rare if this goes the way Apple wants... I'll tell you one thing, eBay prices for Android Devices will go sky high.... (used or not...)
Edit: I miss flip phones anyways, so I'll go old school if I have to...

i have an ipad, and this makes me want to smash it. Apple, you do not own the world, you were not the first to create a "list" on an electronic device. If your so afraid of Samsung, then just build a darn phone with a bigger screen, i wont buy it, but tons of other people would. Fair competition is good for business, it keeps ingenuity alive and keeps engineers pushing the limits of what can be done. Competition is THE ONLY REASON we have the superphones we have now. If apple owns all the rights to make anything that even resembles a smartphone, we will have the iphone 4s renamed and sold as a new product for the next decade.
Whoever the judge is that granted that patent, is an idiot.

it will never happen. Nothing to add.

Well some of what this says they currently have rights to like list view is bs because before the first iPhone was released I was able to use list view on Windows mobile for years. So unless I've miss read, something isn't right or maybe my aging memory is wrong.
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Bagbug said:
it will never happen. Nothing to add.
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I know you said nothing to add, but my point is Apple had been on a wining streak, so hopefully the government fixes this and makes these touch screen parents standard...

Bagbug said:
it will never happen. Nothing to add.
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agreed
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tjb433 said:
I have an ipad, and this makes me want to smash it.
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Do a factory reset, sell it, buy a Galaxy Tab, then shove it in your Apple Store representatives face showing features that the iPad doesn't have... No reason to smash something worth hundreds, (although the company who makes it is pure evil...) But I agree with what you were saying completely...

tjb433 said:
Whoever the judge is that granted that patent, is an idiot.
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I wanted to say that in my article, but couldn't so I said the judge made a "very poor decision".

deedscreen said:
Do a factory reset, sell it, buy a Galaxy Tab, then shove it in your Apple Store representatives face showing features that the iPad doesn't have... No reason to smash something worth hundreds, (although the company who makes it is pure evil...) But I agree with what you were saying completely...
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I was actually thinking of doing this over the past few weeks, i had an android tablet a few years ago, but the number and quality of apps was underwhelming, how is it now?

tjb433 said:
I was actually thinking of doing this over the past few weeks, i had an android tablet a few years ago, but the number and quality of apps was underwhelming, how is it now?
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I have the HTC EVO View, while I am not a fan of HTC, nor the EVO Series, I don't regret the purchase... Now there is wayyy more support for tablets and specialized tablet UIs.... Now just make sure you get a high end one that will be upgraded to Jelly Bean... (It's not worth getting one on a data contract, as you can tether from your phone to your tablet...)
Note: The EVO View nor HTC Flyer will NOT Get ICS nor JB so don't even bother...

This is utterly ridiculous google needs to stop sitting on their hands and be more aggressive.
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This is utterly ridiculous google needs to stop sitting on their hands and be more aggressive.
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You couldn't have put it any better... This happened around the 17th of this month... and we (the public) have yet to hear of any response from Google...

This is for USA only other countries won't tolerate this bs. Only in the USA. Where they're are so proud of apple for outsourcing jobs that Americans badly need smucks.
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Android is here to stay. Google and samsung have some pretty good lawyers too. It's total BS that this kinda stuff even goes on. The only people getting rich on this are the lawyers. If they were smart, they'd sit across from each other at a conference table and make a truce and move on.
Now that Jobs is dead, it's just a matter of time before Apple slips into irrelevance. Nobody there has the passion he had about his company, and nobody is gonna defend it like he did.
That 40 billion they have will be squandered away on bogus patent law suits. Money that could have been spent on more cutting edge development. Everybody knows that patents are crap. Your better off not even applying for a patent and get the thing to market first. By the time they figure out what you did, you come up with something new. A patent application is an invitation and a headstart for everybody else to steal your idea. The company thats ahead of the development curve, and gets it to market fast and furious, makes the money.
Boo hoo...they stole my idea:crying:

Apple is a joke. This is what happens when they feel threaten by a competitor. I will give it to Apple the iPhone was a brake through, but since then Android came out and is user friendly with developers willing to make the devices better and faster more customizable. Making the Android OS just better period. Apple needs to realize there are other players in this game so step up as Android HAS. They know Android IS the future and their scared they will be left behind. Lol I laugh a Apple, I'm going to tell them like I do any young kid with a bad attitude grow up.
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I wanted to say that in my article, but couldn't so I said the judge made a "very poor decision".
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The court should get sued for taking away our right to choose what we want to purchase. I will rather NOT have a phone or an old crappy phone than own a crapple device. I will order my phones through China or Japanese manufactures. but owning a crappy device I will not!

Good read here as well arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2012/02/if-android-is-a-stolen-product-then-so-was-the-iphone/
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Oh and just to add a good question shouldn't someone sue Apple for using someone else's technology like LCD, LED screens, let them have the right to the patents a lot it would do them with a device with no screen.
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Is Samsung fighting a losing battle?

First off, I searched the forums to see if anybody has really discussed what seems to be a one-sided trial and I haven't really found anything. So I ask this question because I am a little confused on the matter...
If you have been following the news lately, you would see that the samsung vs. apple case has begun. Barely two days into it samsung releases evidence of designs that predate the iphone which look kind of similar. Apparently this "key" evidence was rejected by Judge Koh on the basis that it is irrelevant. You can google search the facts about this but here is one link http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2407919,00.asp
Now, I am no legal expert and just taking a quick glance and seeing the evidence and hearing that it was rejected by the judge makes no sense right now. It angered me to think that samsung wasn't given a fair chance to provide evidence that seems clearly relevant to why this whole trial is even taking place. But I figured I should withhold judgment until I learn all the facts because like I said, I am no expert on legal matters and I know there is two sides of the story.
My question is, is there a good reason as to why the judge threw evidence out like this? A lot of people are claiming the judge is being payed by apple but I'm not going to quickly jump to that conclusion. I am wondering if there are any fellow xda people out there that have some experience in law or know a lot about this case and can elaborate as to why this has happened. I want to know if it is unfair to jump to the assumption that apple is somehow pulling strings behind the scenes.
I'd prefer people with a decent amount of knowledge in this case speak up and not people who have read a few articles and think they know all about it.
If it's one thing I'm really starting to learn, it's that all these tech sites seem to have a bias towards them. I see some sites blatantly ignoring and even sometimes lying about android and it's features, usabillity, etc. So I'd rather get advice, experience, opinions from people who at least know what they're talking about.
Update Now Apple is asking for judge to punish samsung for releasing public documents to the press
http://www.computerworld.com/s/arti...amsung_for_releasing_documents_in_iPhone_suit

I'm pretty sure that evidence was thrown out because it was entered too late by Samsung (there's a cut-off date after which no new evidence may be entered for consideration, since both parties must get some time to go over it and decide how to deal with it).
But yeah, unfortunately I think Samsung is gonna get screwed on this one. Apple seems pretty good at deceiving juries and judges (especially certain ones) into believing that they invented everything in existence. I just hope it doesn't end too badly for Samsung, as their phones are probably the biggest reason why Android has risen up as a viable competitor to iOS (and even raced right past it in market share). The smartphone world needs that competition. I shudder at the thought of a world where the only real choice is getting an iPhone.

RoadHazard said:
I'm pretty sure that evidence was thrown out because it was entered too late by Samsung (there's a cut-off date after which no new evidence may be entered for consideration, since both parties must get some time to go over it and decide how to deal with it).
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Ahhh, I see. Well that makes sense if it there's a deadline and they didn't make it. I will say that I find it pretty strange that they didn't make the deadline with evidence that seems to be pretty damn important.

There are time limits, thought it can still be allowed if it wasn't discovered quickly enough to be submitted. Regardless, every decision made seems to point to clear bias on the point of Koh and higher judges. I've yet to see anything fair and impartial about what's been going on with any of this from the beginning.

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There are time limits, thought it can still be allowed if it wasn't discovered quickly enough to be submitted. Regardless, every decision made seems to point to clear bias on the point of Koh and higher judges. I've yet to see anything fair and impartial about what's been going on with any of this from the beginning.
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Worst case scenario... Apple wins. And also gets to enforce the recent touchscreen patents they were awarded. What does this mean for android? That's what I'm wondering. Although, I really hope this doesn't happen.

MissionImprobable said:
There are time limits, thought it can still be allowed if it wasn't discovered quickly enough to be submitted. Regardless, every decision made seems to point to clear bias on the point of Koh and higher judges. I've yet to see anything fair and impartial about what's been going on with any of this from the beginning.
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Yeah... Richard Posner seems to be one of the only sensible ones. Quoting The Guardian:
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At one point, for example, Apple claimed that Google was infringing one of its patents on the process of unlocking a phone by swiping the screen. "Apple's argument that a tap is a zero-length swipe," said Posner, "is silly. It's like saying that a point is a zero-length line."
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Apple is being silly, and this guy seems to be the only judge who gets that.

Whatever happens, I will hate Apple more than ever. And, if I get a second choice, I will rather get a Windows Phone than an iPhone.
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lucastan96 said:
Whatever happens, I will hate Apple more than ever. And, if I get a second choice, I will rather get a Windows Phone than an iPhone.
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Yeah, if they actually manage to ruin Android (I don't believe they will), I'll go for a Windows Phone a million times before I even look at an iPhone. I never used to actively dislike Apple, I just wasn't very interested in their products, but recently they've really made me think they're a ****ty anti-competitive company that doesn't deserve a cent of my money. I truly hate what they're trying to do to the smartphone market.

lucastan96 said:
Whatever happens, I will hate Apple more than ever. And, if I get a second choice, I will rather get a Windows Phone than an iPhone.
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I've kind of feel the same. I never really liked apple, although I know they make good products. After lots of research and hands on experience, I've realized iOS sucks compared to android. All it has is smoothness. Android has far more features and is simpler to use in my opinion. What apple really is good at is hype. After all these lawsuits with them suing everybody for what seems like ridiculous things, it's making me really hate the company now.

Free iPhones, iPads and Macbooks for the judges, it seems!

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Free iPhones, iPads and Macbooks for the judges, it seems!
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Yup...maybe they bribed the judges with free new Apple products
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DD-Ripper said:
Yup...maybe they bribed the judges with free new Apple products
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I wonder why Samsung doesn't try the same thing, if I got some of those new Galaxy products for free I would want Samsung to win.

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I wonder why Samsung doesn't try the same thing, if I got some of those new Galaxy products for free I would want Samsung to win.
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Because Samsung has some respect which Apple dont have. Thats why Apple is playing such cheap games on Samsung.
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I should point out, in the interests of fairness, that despite many of our suspicions regarding bribery or illicit deals there has never been the slightest evidence apple have bought legal rulings by anything other than legitimate and transparent means.
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Am i the only one that thinks that the judges are acting like that because apple is considered "All american and genuine" company to them and Samsung is an invading country that want to knock off the "GREAT" american company?
From my experience there are people that are dumb enough to act like that....

Hell Guardian said:
Am i the only one that thinks that the judges are acting like that because apple is considered "All american and genuine" company to them and Samsung is an invading country that want to knock off the "GREAT" american company?
From my experience there are people that are dumb enough to act like that....
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This thought has passed through my mind to be honest
However I don't think any of this is as simple as "Apple is American" or "bribery".
It's a broken patent system that Apple is using to try and prolong the inevitable - which is Android taking over the majority of the market for what could be decades. Apple is within their rights to attempt to use their patent portfolio to slow down the competition. This is not debatable. They are using legal means and the current system to attempt to enforce their dominance since they can no longer maintain it with product alone.
Although I am a Samsung fan and a huge supporter of Linux, Android, Google, etc. I cannot get past the picture of the Galaxy SII next to the iPhone. Side by side, it does look like they ripped them off. That is where I believe Samsung screwed up. It's not the functionality/UI patents that are troubling to me, it's the fact they made it look like the iPhone. It's almost undeniable. They encroached on brand recognition, to the point that you can't deny they look very similar. Too similar.
In my opinion, that will be the cause of Samsung's defeat. Everyone says "you can't patent rectangles or the color spectrum". But you can't rip off someone's design either. And they did, pretty plainly IMO. Why do you think there are no Black GSIII's? Samsung knows what they did, and they didn't want to risk it with their new flagship.
As far as software patents, Apply can kiss my ass. But they have the right for their product to look unique. No matter who designed something similar back in the day. No one sees a black, rectangular phone with a huge slab of glass and says "hey, that's that Sony phone prototype!". But any average person, even an elderly person who doesn't much follow tech, definitely recognize an iPhone. Unless of course, it's next to a black Galaxy SII.
Just my two cents.

ingenious247 said:
This thought has passed through my mind to be honest
However I don't think any of this is as simple as "Apple is American" or "bribery".
It's a broken patent system that Apple is using to try and prolong the inevitable - which is Android taking over the majority of the market for what could be decades. Apple is within their rights to attempt to use their patent portfolio to slow down the competition. This is not debatable. They are using legal means and the current system to attempt to enforce their dominance since they can no longer maintain it with product alone.
Although I am a Samsung fan and a huge supporter of Linux, Android, Google, etc. I cannot get past the picture of the Galaxy SII next to the iPhone. Side by side, it does look like they ripped them off. That is where I believe Samsung screwed up. It's not the functionality/UI patents that are troubling to me, it's the fact they made it look like the iPhone. It's almost undeniable. They encroached on brand recognition, to the point that you can't deny they look very similar. Too similar.
In my opinion, that will be the cause of Samsung's defeat. Everyone says "you can't patent rectangles or the color spectrum". But you can't rip off someone's design either. And they did, pretty plainly IMO. Why do you think there are no Black GSIII's? Samsung knows what they did, and they didn't want to risk it with their new flagship.
As far as software patents, Apply can kiss my ass. But they have the right for their product to look unique. No matter who designed something similar back in the day. No one sees a black, rectangular phone with a huge slab of glass and says "hey, that's that Sony phone prototype!". But any average person, even an elderly person who doesn't much follow tech, definitely recognize an iPhone. Unless of course, it's next to a black Galaxy SII.
Just my two cents.
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Samsung didn't copy the iphone though, they actually had iphone like designs the year before iphone was made public.
Are you saying that because apple used that design in public first, even though samsung had a very similar one earlier, that apple should be only one able to have anything similar "no matter who designed something similar back in the day"?
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mistermentality said:
Samsung didn't copy the iphone though, they actually had iphone like designs the year before iphone was made public.
Are you saying that because apple used that design in public first, even though samsung had a very similar one earlier, that apple should be only one able to have anything similar "no matter who designed something similar back in the day"?
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It's the phone itself in combination with the dock, square icons, general "appearance" I'm taking about. I'm sorry but it's really not debatable. It looks like a foreign clone of an iPhone.
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If worse comes to worst you know we'll just all switch to buying Chinese android devices. The Chinese system not only ignores Apple's chicanery, but has ruled in favor of several plaintiffs against Apple and allows the phones that truly are copies to be sold freely. I don't in any way foresee it coming to that but it will be a long, long time before Apple ever sees dollar one of my money and I will do whatever I can to keep an Android device in my hands.
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ingenious247 said:
It's the phone itself in combination with the dock, square icons, general "appearance" I'm taking about. I'm sorry but it's really not debatable. It looks like a foreign clone of an iPhone.
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You're not getting this. Samsung has shown (to the best of my knowledge the evidence that was tossed by Judge Koh, was legit from Samsung), that they had prior art to this style of design, the apps, the home button, the rounded corners, well before Apple ever went public with the iPhone.

[Q] [OffTopic] Why do I hate...

I began thinking this yesterday and I don't know if it's because I just can't knock sense into people's skulls, or if they are so ignorant to take my advice.
I HATE iPhone buyers/fanboys(some people have to use them for work.)
I have this person who asked me if I saw the gathering of mindless idiots yesterday (I'm paraphrasing) I said yes but then he (a current iPhone user) told me he was buying it because it's "sexy" I proceeded to tell him the spec bump from the 4s was minimal and that it has nothing on the top current Android phone. He then proceeded to tell me he doesn't care and he's still going to buy it anyway. Please help me understand this? Now I don't know if it is that I don't get where he's coming from or if he's just a darn idiot.
I understand and am in complete agreance that if you use Macs at home apple is a good way to go for you. BUT he doesn't... He is a sheep.
Now on to my point... I hate apple... Not only hate, but I'd love to see Apple fail miserably (not the people employed, but the company and the ones that call the shots) just one time I want to see a tech blogger ask questions like, "How confident and how do you feel about your product entering the market while your competition is beating your current specs?" or one of them yell out "WOW YOU MINIMALLY INCREASED 4 SPECS AND AN OS UPDATE FU**ING BRILLIANT!!!" My very own cousin and brother in law are trapped with the sheep.
My brother in law called me and asked me what I thought... I ended up hanging up on him in utter frustration because he failed to listen... It's like he can't wait to throw money at them...
That's not all though, the technology bogs even call it brilliant... And they won't shut the fu## up about it... Dude its got a sapphire lense (watch faces are made out of this...) Dude its optics are precision aligned (how the fu$$ else do you expect to take pictures if your optics aren't aligned with precision?) and everyone eats it up.
Here lately I feel really smart... But I also can't stand to talk to idiots who are the iPhone sheep.
I could go into Apples patent hungry team and using them as weapons but we all know that.
Why am I this way? What can I do to ensure I can coexist with these dumb heads? Any advice before I go insane? Am I in the wrong? Should I be on something? I'm literally at my last nerve and am about to deck someone the next time the word iPhone comes out their da*n mouth.
Thanks in advance,
-sick of it
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pyrostic said:
I began thinking this yesterday and I don't know if it's because I just can't knock sense into people's skulls, or if they are so ignorant to take my advice.
I HATE iPhone buyers/fanboys(some people have to use them for work.)
I have this person who asked me if I saw the gathering of mindless idiots yesterday (I'm paraphrasing) I said yes but then he (a current iPhone user) told me he was buying it because it's "sexy" I proceeded to tell him the spec bump from the 4s was minimal and that it has nothing on the top current Android phone. He then proceeded to tell me he doesn't care and he's still going to buy it anyway. Please help me understand this? Now I don't know if it is that I don't get where he's coming from or if he's just a darn idiot.
I understand and am in complete agreance that if you use Macs at home apple is a good way to go for you. BUT he doesn't... He is a sheep.
Now on to my point... I hate apple... Not only hate, but I'd love to see Apple fail miserably (not the people employed, but the company and the ones that call the shots) just one time I want to see a tech blogger ask questions like, "How confident and how do you feel about your product entering the market while your competition is beating your current specs?" or one of them yell out "WOW YOU MINIMALLY INCREASED 4 SPECS AND AN OS UPDATE FU**ING BRILLIANT!!!" My very own cousin and brother in law are trapped with the sheep.
My brother in law called me and asked me what I thought... I ended up hanging up on him in utter frustration because he failed to listen... It's like he can't wait to throw money at them...
That's not all though, the technology bogs even call it brilliant... And they won't shut the fu## up about it... Dude its got a sapphire lense (watch faces are made out of this...) Dude its optics are precision aligned (how the fu$$ else do you expect to take pictures if your optics aren't aligned with precision?) and everyone eats it up.
Here lately I feel really smart... But I also can't stand to talk to idiots who are the iPhone sheep.
I could go into Apples patent hungry team and using them as weapons but we all know that.
Why am I this way? What can I do to ensure I can coexist with these dumb heads? Any advice before I go insane? Am I in the wrong? Should I be on something? I'm literally at my last nerve and am about to deck someone the next time the word iPhone comes out their da*n mouth.
Thanks in advance,
-sick of it
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LOL! Sounds like someone has Apple issues. JK.
I personally hate iPhone as well and their users love it and I can never understand. Grr
I have 2 MAC Pro's in the house and 2 HP Beat's laptops I like their MAC's (other than that forget it) Honestly I don't see why anyone would buy the i5 when they have an i4 already.
Looks the same doesn't know anything more than the i4. The only reason I see people getting it for a reason is if they want to rock on Verizon's awesome 4G LTE since other carrier's 4g still su*k
Honeslty the i4/5 (same thing) has nothing on the GS3. Our phones beat the crap out of them any day or night oh don't make me forget anytime! :laugh:
(oh and what you said that iphone users don't listen geeezz your so right have the same problem & it makes me mad as hell since I've been dealing with cell phones ever since I was 12yrs old lol)

Ive owned iPhones. They are good phones, but not what the fanboys make out of them. Id never own one again, not my cup of tea.
Funny vid out there of fanboys given iPhone 4S's and were told the were iPhone 5's. They bought the story. idiots they are!
Ill stick to my androids

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Ive owned iPhones. They are good phones, but not what the fanboys make out of them. Id never own one again, not my cup of tea.
Funny vid out there of fanboys given iPhone 4S's and were told the were iPhone 5's. They bought the story. idiots they are!
Ill stick to my androids
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yes this is one of them lol: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdIWKytq_q4&feature=youtube_gdata_player

"Sexy"?
The phone has been elongated slightly in one dimension and is thinner, with slightly bevelled edges that look mechanical more than fluid to me. Contrast this with the fluid look and feel of a S3, for example. The iPhone 5 still just a (patented) rounded rectangle. "Sexy"?
iOS6 is certainly an improvement, but it's otherwise still (mostly) just a bunch of icons in a matrix format. Yeah, I can see how that would get someone moist.
- ooofest

i figured itout the other day talking to some firends when they asked me about my phone.
i showed them roms i had, different icons, widgets, etc.
they had NO interest in any of that. they use their phones for games, making calls, texting and going on facebook. they dont want or need any other features. They loved it. thought it was cool, but no interest
thats the AVERAGE consumer. the people here arent average consumers.
and thats where the line is drawn. if you werent technlogically sound, didnt find the need to open a laptop wouldnt you want to have your ipod and phone together? Its maketed to the mass public. and it meets their needs. They dont need to have a quad core processor. Their customer base wont know or care what that is.

Here is what it is. If you take an old android phone and ask apple to put their logo on as "iphone6" on it then sell it. It's going to sell like cup cakes. The moral of the story is. Iphone fan boys are PUPPETS= NO BRAINERS=LOW IQ.=YOUNG TEENAGERS=OLD FARTs. End of discussion.

Whoaho. Buddy I am a young teenager and I feel your pain. But not all teenagers r like an isheep. Now 99% of teenage girls. Yes. Yes they r. They don't care about specs and all. They know apple is the cool thing and so they fork over their parents money to get one. Now I must admit teenagers r much more prown to falling into the isheepiness. I was once one. I thought my ipod was the thing. It was perfect! But then I found out about jail breaking and all that put a horrid android skin on it and loved android. Now I was like 12 and ever since thirteen always been android. Samsung galaxy s3 and nexus 7.

IPhone are girl phones. I usually only see girls with them. But they're great for older people that want a smart phone, or someone that wants something simple.
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skater95 said:
IPhone are girl phones. I usually only see girls with them. But they're great for older people that want a smart phone, or someone that wants something simple.
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Er, I don't like to classify most things with the schoolyard "boy" and "girl" label from a cultural perspective, and easily see as many males as females with iPhones.
I do agree that for people not in touch or interested in technology, thetedious, foolproof (i.e., dumb) iOS interface with a single button has a degree of attraction.
- ooofest

Hilarious, yet informative youtube video

I don't want to start a war here...This post is not to get people riled up, nor is this meant to be a punching bag on apple users, but I was browsing youtube and stumbled across this and couldn't stop laughing! I figured you all would enjoy it as well
While very extreme and supremely funny, there are some interesting points made here.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ctoLEZQDAQM

Sheesh this was a total waste of 5 minutes of my time. From the sidekick using a Mac book during an Apple rant to the talking head prick who does not know Tunisia, Egypt, and Syria from Iran.

Not even mad. nothing wrong with Apple..
Apple > Microstain imo..
Apple is for the person who wants a piece of hardware that WORKS and doesn't break.

I have nothing against apple. If I have the choice of using Windows or using Mac, I'll probably choose a Mac. While I don't like the iPhone, as many people here don't, 98% of people who aren't geeks like us and who just want a smartphone that does what they believe what a smartphone should do, then who am I to say what they should get. Now, I always recommend people to get Android devices, yes, but I'm not going to be a d*** about it. I honestly see no difference from a person who uses an iPhone and someone who uses an unrooted Android phone. They both just want a phone that works.

GroovyGeek said:
Sheesh this was a total waste of 5 minutes of my time. From the sidekick using a Mac book during an Apple rant to the talking head prick who does not know Tunisia, Egypt, and Syria from Iran.
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Didn't mean to make you upset about it. That's what I found hilarious about it. Different strokes for different folks I suppose.

His rant is a little off. He goes off about Apple, but really misses the points on why the company and its products are bad for the current technology market.
Apple isn't bad because they make over priced and locked down products, it's the persons choice if they want to purchase said products or not. Where Apple goes bad is trying to patent everything (including things they didn't come up with) and sue the competition if anything even comes close to something "they own" forcing other companies to find ways around all their patents.
Competition helps bring new technology to life as each company tries to out do the other. Apple doesn't want to compete, they want to stop other companies from being able to bring their product to the market which in turn forces technological progress to slow down.
Sell your over priced and locked down products to the people that want them, but don't take away my choices so I am forced to buy your over priced and locked down products.
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mirGantrophy said:
Not even mad. nothing wrong with Apple..
Apple > Microstain imo..
Apple is for the person who wants a piece of hardware that WORKS and doesn't break.
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Care to elaborate? I dont understand when people say they like Apple because it WORKS. Last time I checked every cell phone I've had can call/text...??
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richii0207 said:
Care to elaborate? I dont understand when people say they like Apple because it WORKS. Last time I checked every cell phone I've had can call/text...??
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The "it just works" argument, in my mind, is a valid one. Yes, most cellphones can call and text without issue, but it's about the simplicity as a whole. While all of the options to mess about with is great for us, I feel as though the average person only needs phone, text, camera, browser, and games--- and for those to work great. Even if they had the option for more, would they use it? Take a look at many average person's android phone. It is a complete mess- millions of notifications, status bar completely filled, probably a malware app on there or two. All of those things lead to instability. I just think that iOS is more average person proof.

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Care to elaborate? I dont understand when people say they like Apple because it WORKS. Last time I checked every cell phone I've had can call/text...??
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In that case im talking about OSX > Windoze.
In the phone sense, apple is for people who want a great phone that works fine out of the box, and doesn't really "need" to be unlocked/jailbroken.
Now anyone running android that doesn't root should just get an iPhone in my honest opinion

If you don't root your android phone, it too "just works."
I have both an iPhone and an android phone, and I'm really happy having both. I prefer the iPhone for games and movies, and I use the android for produtivity. I know alot of people with this setup and its becoming more and more common.

pinny.b said:
If you don't root your android phone, it too "just works."
I have both an iPhone and an android phone, and I'm really happy having both. I prefer the iPhone for games and movies, and I use the android for produtivity. I know alot of people with this setup and its becoming more and more common.
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I don't know anybody with an iphone and an android phone for that purpose. Come to think of it, the only people I know with two phones are people with their personal and work devices. If I wanted a setup similar to that it would be an android and an ipad. Cheaper and more real estate for gaming. Seems like a lot of money to have two phones even if you are switching the sim card between both.
I suppose a reason could be is that you are feeling in a gaming mood when you leave your house and don't want to lug two devices with you. Or you are going to a meeting and don't want to lug two devices. Still though, ipad is cheaper and more real estate.