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Is a VERIZON IPHONE possible!?

I just spent a couple hours yesterday writing an in-depth article about the possibilities of a Verizon iPhone.
http://jonsuh.com/2010/09/verizon-iphone-more-proof-than-ever/
Now, AT&T and Verizon are both working to convert their networks to LTE (Long Term Evolution). Verizon is planning to begin rolling out LTE to 30 large cities by the end of 2010 while AT&T by mid 2011 (the first city for AT&T’s LTE is said to be Dallas).
The iPhone 4 uses a micro SIM card. LTE technology is said to require a micro SIM card as well. Pictures of a Verizon 4G LTE SIM was released by Engadget earlier in July.
If there was ever a time in the history of a possible Verizon iPhone, it’s now.
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So what do you think? How possible do you think a Verizon iPhone is? Would you even want one?

jsuh said:
I just spent a couple hours yesterday writing an in-depth article about the possibilities of a Verizon iPhone.
http://jonsuh.com/2010/09/verizon-iphone-more-proof-than-ever/
So what do you think? How possible do you think a Verizon iPhone is? Would you even want one?
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The question is why would you want an iphone at all?

Nope dont want an iphone at all.
Didnt even vote in your poll since im not an android (or any os) fanboy either.

dowmace said:
The question is why would you want an iphone at all?
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Haters gonna' hate?

Award Tour said:
Haters gonna' hate?
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Your trolling dosent answer the question, and dosent even address the op.

Your trolling dosent answer the question, and dosent even address the op.
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I'm trolling? I was responding to a troll, but of course, in XDA fashion, anti-Apple trolls are not trolls at all.
But to add to the thread, I think that it's possible but there are certainly going to be some conflicts between Apple and Verizon. AT&T got on its knees for Apple but Verizon will not do the same. Like most of their other phones, they will want a ton of control of over the software; something that Apple will simply not allow. Overall though, they both definitely want in on each other and it's only a matter of time.
Would I want one? No. Verizon would probably price the iPhone even higher than AT&T currently does. In a perfect world I'd want a jail broken iPhone 4 w/ WiMax on Sprint's amazing $59.99 EPRP + $10 plan.
FWIW, I'm a current dual EVO 4G and iPhone 4 owner.

dowmace said:
The question is why would you want an iphone at all?
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Many people misunderstand me when I tell them I want an iPhone. They automatically assume it's because an an Apple fanboy or I want to be another one to jump on the bandwagon.
Truthfully, I'm rather disappointed with some of the app development with Android; maybe I need to be patient.
Some simple truths are (at least in my opinion)
The todo and productivity apps on Android suck. The only apps that would come close would be Astrid, but even then, it doesn't even touch Appigo's ToDo or Cultured Code's Things.
I'm on Facebook a lot and the Facebook app sucks. I don't think many would disagree with me on that one.
I do not like the Android Market setup. I realize one of the hate topics for Apple is the "control" over their apps. Yes, Apple does seemingly have a tight grip on their app store; however, when I try and browse for apps on the Android Market, I have to scroll through 75% garbage, trash, worthless crap. I waste more time shuffling through crap! Unless I know the actual name of the app, it's a huge time waster to come across new apps.
With all these new Android phones out, sometimes it's like pulling tooth and nails to get the latest OS update. One thing Apple does right is push the latest OS to practically all the devices, with the exception of some of the 1st and 2nd generation ones (which they have served their time). Unlike, for example, the Eris, which didn't even last ONE YEAR on the market, didn't get 1.6 and now is not going to get 2.2.
Do I love the fact that I have control over my phone? I guess? I mean I know enough to customize the image files on apps to customize the look, root and flash custom ROMs, run adb cmds on my phone, what more control do I need? Does it help me be more productive and is my phone more of a smartphone because I do? Not really. It's cooler, faster, and customized, but other than that, it does what every other smart phone does. Get e-mail, surf the web.
I had an iPod Touch with the productivity apps, but it became cumbersome to carry both my Touch and my phone and not having a constant internet access on my Touch became more of a nuisance.
I guess it's because I have a specific workflow, and the iPhone tends to be friendlier with it with the kind of apps and functionality it provides.
I'm not slamming Android; I'm not praising the iPhone. It's just my personal preference.

What would piss me off is VZW releasing the iphone before giving WP7 a chance.
good day.

Award Tour said:
I'm trolling? I was responding to a troll, but of course, in XDA fashion, anti-Apple trolls are not trolls at all.
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I was asking an honest question, there is nothing an Iphone does that is usable that my Nexus One does not, not for myself anyway and I do not have to deal with the BS that comes with owning an apple product.

dowmace said:
I was asking an honest question, there is nothing an Iphone does that is usable that my Nexus One does not, not for myself anyway and I do not have to deal with the BS that comes with owning an apple product.
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edit: nm not worth it.

Honestly I kind of hope they do get the iPhone on Verizon. I'm sick of hearing people trash At&t and their "****ty" service. I for one have not had any problems, and have noticed that it's the people with the iPhones that are complaining about At&t's service. You wanna know why the service/reception is so bad? It's cause there's MILLIONS of people using the same damn phone and it causes network traffic. The iPhone is At&t's number 1 phone and priority so, of course, they get dibs. So when there's millions of people trying to do FaceTime or YouTube or whatever, of course it's not gonnna be SUPER fast. I just wanna see Verizon try to handle what the iPhone will do to their network and see how they handle the traffic, etc. etc. Then people will realize it's really all the phones causing traffic and not the network.

verizon will get the iPhone with LTE, and when their new network launches they will launch the LTE iPhone along with it. No sooner, no later.

Verizon iPhone
Well i don't know if the Verizon iPhone is possible or not, a lot of blogs and analysts are saying they are in production.

Captivate = Awesome Experience

I am a captivate owner and I have nothing to complain about.
The line above is a single sentence summary of this post. If you have no interest in the opinions of others or prefer to complain about a developers hard work then you should probably stop reading now.
After the countless hours I have spent in the Samsung Captivate section I am beginning to feel there is a growing void in the area of captivate compliments. It's as if people are angered by Samsung's apparent failure to achieve perfection. A post of positivity or satisfaction with our magical devices only seems to appear amidst the rampant firings of Iphone vs Captivate battles fanboy raids.
I do not intend to claim that Samsung has achieved perfection. Through the development and production of this device we can see that some apparent flaws have been made, HOWEVER!, these flaws are not attached to every captivate experience. After initially reading through this forum I would assume I have been blessed by the phone gods for providing me with the only fully functional captivate produced. After digging for some time though, it can be seen that there are a few who have had an awesome and intended experience with this phone. I never had a problem with GPS or Battery and I couldn't even complain about lag.
Rom after rom, my opinion has grown more positive. Through research and understanding I have learned how to make my device work more effectively for me. I have learned that most errors and malfunctions are simply user error or misinformation. A good and verified Master Clear can work wonders for a properly flashed phone's performance.
To the developers out there gilding the lily daily. You are awesome! Always should you receive an error log, but never should you hear a complaint.
I will end this with some things that have been making me smile since captivate release:
1. SAMOLED
2. Speed
3. Multitasking like a MoFo (Last.FM + My Tracks + HD video recording, simultaneously)
Updating with more smile factors:
4. Sleek sturdy hardware design
5. Phone sound quality and reception
6. Device/screen size
7. 3D acceleration

+1 to this. I too love my phone, it is a learnign curve and we have so many wonderful developers working hard to make out phones better. I agree that a little bit of learning goes a long way, most of the complaints I read and problems that are experienced are caused by over enthusiastic new owners that do not go through the proper steps for clean flashing and often have bugs do to this. Too many people improperly installing ROMS, not knowing the difference between Recovery and Download mode. Mostly due to not reading enough and following the clearly outlines steps. We all make mistakes and have all been noobs, no device is perfect and I know I had to spend two weeks of constant reading to know how to properly flash my phone, use adb, and various other usefull tools. I am constantly learning about Android and the Captivate, I am happy with my device and my current setup. These aren't I-phones thank god and you have to spend time to set it up the way it works for you, depending on individual needs and preference.
I also thing we have a wonderful comunity and need to work together to make it a pleasent atmosphere for all. I am truly enjoying my phone and appreciate the hard work the developers put into this.
The compaining gets tiresome, but with a little patience and learning these are really great Android phones. If you want something to work with no need to tweek and hack then Android id probably not the device for you, imo.

Happy to say the same! (without typing it lol)
Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I897 using XDA App

+1 Thank you for the post.

Good Post
I feel the same right now about mine. Everyone that has watched any of the hd movies I have loaded says the same...WOW...OMG...that looks awesome..
Does the endless complaining and *****ing do any good..Yes..it does..and while you are quite right in saying this is a great phone..please don't try to silence those who do complain about theirs..they have every right to do so,provided what they are saying is truthfull.
I know many have a hardon for Samsung because of the GPS issue..and also the 3-button recovery fiasco..and people should be made aware of them prior to buying so they can do as I did and get one that works..but..with out all of those B&M'ng threads I most likely would have not known about it..so IMHO they do serve a purpose.
On the good side..I love how fast this phone is,and how great it works..I'll be (hopefully ) even happy when 2.2 or Gingerbread is released..I do recommend them to my friends wanting to get one..and let them know to come here and sign up so they too can learn all about them and all of the great developers work on all of the phones ..This is a great place..with lots of good people working hard to make things even better for us..
Mac

It is a great phone. My friends marvel at my resolution and then bend their heads and text on theirs.
Since rooting I feel freer. Ahhh.

Mac11700 said:
Does the endless complaining and *****ing do any good..Yes..it does..and while you are quite right in saying this is a great phone..please don't try to silence those who do complain about theirs..they have every right to do so,provided what they are saying is truthfull.
Mac
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I do not intend to silence those with complaints about their device or experiences. I myself have listed my concerns with the device here on XDA. It is a crucial part of how our community gains understanding and shares information. I just think the overwhelming count of negative to positive posts can be frightening to a newcomer or perspective android convert. I don't want to silence the negative but encourage the positive.
The above being said, some refrain should be practiced when posting to a developers thread. I am no developer but I think some people have a tendency to be more critical than helpful when complaining about freely developed and distributed software.
Otherwise, point taken and understood. Thanks for the contribution.

I absolutely love this phone. The GPS is abysmal, the Facebook app is in severe need of an update and the lack of convenient stable visual voicemail, but beyond that the phone is awesome.
I love swype and the amount of apps and I seem to be constantly blown away by the screen. Also, the battery life is great compared to my 3g.
I was skeptical at first but I'm glad I dove in.

Well.. I do not have this phone.. But, I actually 100% understand what you mean..
The best example I can think of is a PC.
When you buy a pc, what is the first thing most (even remotely knowledgable) users do with it?
Install a few programs. I always use ccleaner, to get clear out extra files, you delete the "extra" programs you don't want (if you didn't build the pc yourself). You make quite a few changes as soon as you get it.
If your going to get a phone.. and really want to get the most out of it.. your going to have to mod it.. That means Jailbreaking it on iphone, Rooting it on android and voiding your warranty eveywhere.
If your squeamish about voiding your warranty and just want a phone for email/internet browsing.. The iphone 4 is a great choice and you are welcome to use it, Actually so is blackberry, Symbian, and a slew of other phone's.
The truth is complaints shouldn't be addressed to the phone.. but, more the respective manufacturers and carriers that prevent rooting and void your warranty for doing so.
If you know what your buying, I can't feel bad when you come back and complain... If you don't know what your buying, I can't feel bad for you at all.. Why? if your going to get the most out of *ANYTHING* in life your going to have to know what your getting into and be fully aware of your actions.. Those who aren't, I can't pity.
With that said.. I'm not saying people shouldn't strive to push manufacturers to fix problems, and being able to read warnings is nice before you buy something.. My biggest problem when I read complaints is, people don't feel the need to warn, express this dislike or try to address their problems..
They want to just run in cry, whine, and then blast the phone as if it killed their children, ate their dog and laughed in their face.
if I could persuade my parents to cover the data plan.. (not happening, they wouldn't even let me pay for it).. Then I'd spring for capt full cash right now..

Loving this thread . . . not really as much as I love persistent positivity and gratuitous kindness in general, but almost as much as I love my endearingly imperfect Captivate.
Nice work, '84. I'm gonna go ahead and assume that you're way too nice a guy to have bludgeoned to death and buried 83 to earn that nickname.

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=809471

People ask me about my phone(captivate), and if they should get an iphone or captivate. Simple answer, if your a simple person, and don't like customizing or if your not really tech savvy, then get an iphone. But if you're the complete opposite, then go with an android (this is of course not involving jail breaking)
Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I897 using XDA App

Mac11700 said:
I feel the same right now about mine. Everyone that has watched any of the hd movies I have loaded says the same...WOW...OMG...that looks awesome..
Does the endless complaining and *****ing do any good..Yes..it does..and while you are quite right in saying this is a great phone..please don't try to silence those who do complain about theirs..they have every right to do so,provided what they are saying is truthfull.
I know many have a hardon for Samsung because of the GPS issue..and also the 3-button recovery fiasco..and people should be made aware of them prior to buying so they can do as I did and get one that works..but..with out all of those B&M'ng threads I most likely would have not known about it..so IMHO they do serve a purpose.
On the good side..I love how fast this phone is,and how great it works..I'll be (hopefully ) even happy when 2.2 or Gingerbread is released..I do recommend them to my friends wanting to get one..and let them know to come here and sign up so they too can learn all about them and all of the great developers work on all of the phones ..This is a great place..with lots of good people working hard to make things even better for us..
Mac
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They have every right to complain, sure. But does that mean we have to be audience to these continually barrages of people who don't realize they have the choice to get rid of the phone if it doesn't suit them? I understand that we can have concerns, but if they're not handled constructively (ie varying, gps, lag, battery) they're cries should fall on deaf ears because I frankly don't need to hear it. Its been rehashed too many times to merit new threads and is far from necessary.
I come to this forum to get help with minor issues or improvement of my phone which is one I already love over my old 9700. That is why I love reading these kinds of threads where someone instead of injecting negativity into the community is seeking to shine a positive light. So here's to threads that offer help or new ways to improve the experience. Thanks OP glad you're enjoying your phone!

Dankenstein said:
Loving this thread . . . not really as much as I love persistent positivity and gratuitous kindness in general, but almost as much as I love my endearingly imperfect Captivate.
Nice work, '84. I'm gonna go ahead and assume that you're way too nice a guy to have bludgeoned to death and buried 83 to earn that nickname.
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Most people are pleasant and inviting in person then go to the internet to become complete troll nobs. I prefer to be an a repulsive ass in person and make people on the internet believe I am a nice and well adjusted individual. This process makes life more spontaneous and brings a since of humor to Online Dating.
In truth though, it is an engine reference for a "1984 Harley Davidson Shovelhead".

I love my phone. I love it more now that i have angry birds. Would like inter-op words with friends, but there are alternatives. I do wish the "issue" that people complain about gets fixed, but it doesn't bother me. I would barely use it anyway. To much like a leash to me. Did I mention I love my phone.

Shovelhead84 said:
Most people are pleasant and inviting in person then go to the internet to become complete troll nobs. I prefer to be an a repulsive ass in person and make people on the internet believe I am a nice and well adjusted individual. This process makes life more spontaneous and brings a since of humor to Online Dating.
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That was the best laugh I've had all day!

I love my captivate. I admit to being a bit obsessed with it. I had GPS issues, but that was the ONLY thing I didn't like about the phone. I was hesitant to exchange it because I didn't want to end up with a different set of problems, but I did exchange it.
Now I love my Captivate AND I have a working GPS I use every day
Bob

+1
Coming from a jailbroken iPhone 3g, there is no comparison. This is my 1st Android phone and couldn't be happier with it. I've only had it about a month and i've learned a lot, mainly by reading these forums...hence why this is only my 4th post

this phone is so underrated. its as good as or better than any on the market today, yet all you hear is droid droid droid

chrisz5z said:
+1
Coming from a jailbroken iPhone 3g, there is no comparison. This is my 1st Android phone and couldn't be happier with it. I've only had it about a month and i've learned a lot, mainly by reading these forums...hence why this is only my 4th post
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Well, welcome to XDA and to your new mobile experience. Back in my WinMo days I spents weeks reading the Kaiser forums before my first few posts. All the new acronyms and software references can be a bit daunting, even for the savviest of geeks. Luckily I made a smooth transfer by running android ports on my winmo device before fully jumping in.
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this phone is so underrated. its as good as or better than any on the market today, yet all you hear is droid droid droid
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The annoying stab by the general uninformed public is an assumption that "Droid" is the correct term to reference all android devices. I blame Verizon and their conniving marketing department. The failed recognition of your device by a passing stranger does give you an opportunity to politely correct them with a showing of the wondrous features your technologically superior device is capable of.

[Q] For people who LIKE WP7 Only

I really like WP7, I recognise that it has some missing features but I am confident the se will be addressed with time. My concern is that anybody considering WP7 who reads this forum (or a plethora of other websites) could be easily put off by the negativity displayed by:-
1) Android/ IOS trolls
2) Disenchanted WM6.5 users who still want to spend their lives tweaking and cooking
Roms
3) People with an irrational fear of "the cloud".
4) Journalists who are desperate for MS to fail (because they are not Apple or Google
and thus not trendy!)
My question is, what can those of us who have faith in the platform do to balance the arguments a bit? I'm not talking about fanboism, I'm talking about expounding the positive features of WP7 like one note, like cloud sync, like the people hub, like the fast browser, like XBox integration for gamers (even though I do not use that much), like the easy access camera, like Zune and Zune Pass, like the fluid interface, like 25Gb of FREE Skydrive etc.
For example, I have a 16Gb HD7 with 25Gb skydrive means that to me I have a 41Gb device - more than my Ipad (see, I am platform agnostic).
If those of us who like WP7 do not actively support it, it will go the way of WebOS no matter how much Microsoft spend on their marketing budget.
WP7 is a revolution, let's get revolutionary about it!!!!

adesonic said:
I really like WP7, I recognise that it has some missing features but I am confident the se will be addressed with time. My concern is that anybody considering WP7 who reads this forum (or a plethora of other websites) could be easily put off by the negativity displayed by:-
1) Android/ IOS trolls
2) Disenchanted WM6.5 users who still want to spend their lives tweaking and cooking
Roms
3) People with an irrational fear of "the cloud".
4) Journalists who are desperate for MS to fail (because they are not Apple or Google
and thus not trendy!)
My question is, what can those of us who have faith in the platform do to balance the arguments a bit? I'm not talking about fanboism, I'm talking about expounding the positive features of WP7 like one note, like cloud sync, like the people hub, like the fast browser, like XBox integration for gamers (even though I do not use that much), like the easy access camera, like Zune and Zune Pass, like the fluid interface, like 25Gb of FREE Skydrive etc.
For example, I have a 16Gb HD7 with 25Gb skydrive means that to me I have a 41Gb device - more than my Ipad (see, I am platform agnostic).
If those of us who like WP7 do not actively support it, it will go the way of WebOS no matter how much Microsoft spend on their marketing budget.
WP7 is a revolution, let's get revolutionary about it!!!!
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I'm with ya, WP7 brother. I try to do my part by telling it like it is, being the highest quality mobile OS yet released, but who knows if it is having fruitful effect.

I'm with you too
It may be missing some features but just by looking at it, you can see that once Microsoft does implement the missing features it will look a lot better than Android's.
It's the first OS that's actually impressed me ever since iPhone came out.
I liked Android but it felt unfinished and I felt that buying one was not a good investment, since by the next year they would stop handing out updates for it and they would release a device frequently.

Hell yeah! Let's do this thing!

you want to know the best way to promote windows phone? allow people to use it. i've shown my phone to virtually all my friends, and they all really like it. though they didn't use it for very long, they liked the capabilities of the OS in terms of smoothness, visual appearance, and functionality (well with what they played with).
i think we really just need to see MS continue to better the platform both on the phone side, but also on the developer side. they need to get the SDKs for all the hardware out asap, and then work on more SDKs that will bring features not yet on the market by any other maker. what could this be? who knows... but MS has enough in their coffers to find out, as well as enough R&D going on.

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you want to know the best way to promote windows phone? allow people to use it. i've shown my phone to virtually all my friends, and they all really like it. though they didn't use it for very long, they liked the capabilities of the OS in terms of smoothness, visual appearance, and functionality (well with what they played with).
i think we really just need to see MS continue to better the platform both on the phone side, but also on the developer side. they need to get the SDKs for all the hardware out asap, and then work on more SDKs that will bring features not yet on the market by any other maker. what could this be? who knows... but MS has enough in their coffers to find out, as well as enough R&D going on.
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^this! I've already had one person wish they hadn't got a desire - let's keep this up!
You know what Microsoft need though right? A huge pr stunt in the US, UK, France, Germany etc. Just to catch the headlines and make sure that good things are said

+1. I'm very glad to have gotten this phone and once the first update is out I'll be even happier. All my friends who have been on the fence about a new phone have heard from me!

For me the WP7 is perfect in the sense that I am done with the whole power user/modding thing. I used to have a TP2 and tried a lot of ROMs but in the end I just wanted a phone that did two things i.e fluid and give me exactly the information I needed at a glance so I could get on with my life rather than tinker with it all the damn time. And this is where the WP7 serves me very well.
I see a lot of 6.5 users whining here but I truly wish they had done a bit of reading on the WP7 platform so they would know that the WP7 is going to be nothing like the 6.5 and I truly hope it never will be because MS will permanently lose me to android. I'm glad I gave WP7 a chance after reading up on it even though I had washed my hands off the WM platform after the 6.5 nightmare.
Probably the biggest reason I'm enjoying the WP7 is because I knew fully well before buying the phone what features to expect and what it won't have out of the box so that saved me the headache of buying first and then whining about it in these forums. I mean what part of 1.0 don't you understand? Personally I think the 6.5 fan boys are even worse than android fan boys. For me the 6.5 offers quantity over quality and I guess some people are fine with that but not me and that's why I chose WP7.

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I see a lot of 6.5 users whining here but I truly wish they had done a bit of reading on the WP7 platform so they would know that the WP7 is going to be nothing like the 6.5 and I truly hope it never will be because MS will permanently lose me to android. I'm glad I gave WP7 a chance after reading up on it even though I had washed my hands off the WM platform after the 6.5 nightmare.
Probably the biggest reason I'm enjoying the WP7 is because I knew fully well before buying the phone what features to expect and what it won't have out of the box so that saved me the headache of buying first and then whining about it in these forums. I mean what part of 1.0 don't you understand? Personally I think the 6.5 fan boys are even worse than android fan boys. For me the 6.5 offers quantity over quality and I guess some people are fine with that but not me and that's why I chose WP7.
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Mm, the 6.5 people are really starting to piss me off. They seem to think that WP7 is a sequel to WM6.5 - which it quite obviously isn't. Microsoft are quite obviously trying to forget WM, as it was, and still is, total rubbish. At least the Android guys actually have a semi-decent OS to whine about :/

It Will Get Better.
adesonic you have my support ,just wait for the updates and be happy.

I agree with everything said. Winmo users hate it because they can't tweak it (though it doesn't need tweaks so you can actually use the phone instead of always trying to fix it).
Android users are complaining about how "closed" it is. I think android is the one that needs to worry. Android has climbed quickly due to it's "open" nature, which means its on more devices than any other OS. The problem being is that most of those devices are pure crap. There is definitely not an across the board experience on android. Hell, some devices are still on 1.5/1.6 of android. Fragmentation has exploded at a much higher rate than on winmo, which has started to lead to developer frustration because their apps don't run smoothly on all phones.
I see the really dedicated tweakers heading over to android, and people that only tweaked to make their phone run properly to switch to wp7. It will be a better overall OS in the next year than android.

f1restarter said:
For me the WP7 is perfect in the sense that I am done with the whole power user/modding thing. I used to have a TP2 and tried a lot of ROMs but in the end I just wanted a phone that did two things i.e fluid and give me exactly the information I needed at a glance so I could get on with my life rather than tinker with it all the damn time. And this is where the WP7 serves me very well..
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Happy to see some people still face the reality. Thumbs up

I love my Omnia 7 as unlike 6.5 I have not yet reset the phone since I have purchased it and it's still running silky fast. And thank god for not having a task manager and just hitting the back button. I never want to go back to fiddling with my phone to try and get it running properly.

I had a G1 when it was first released and upgraded to a Desire. In my opinion, this is why WP7 will do better than Android has...
Peoples Reactions:
Desire: "Oh you have a HTC?"
HD7: "Oh you have one of them new Windows Phones?"
The point? People know what Windows Phone 7 is. The only reason why Android has been successful up to now (in the UK at least) is because people want a smartphone with apps. 90% of the people I know who have an Android device had no idea what Android was before they bought the phone (and some still don't really understand). Google do little to no marketing.
Soon people will walk into a shop looking for a HTC AND be further persuaded by Windows Phone.

brummiesteven said:
I had a G1 when it was first released and upgraded to a Desire. In my opinion, this is why WP7 will do better than Android has...
Peoples Reactions:
Desire: "Oh you have a HTC?"
HD7: "Oh you have one of them new Windows Phones?"
The point? People know what Windows Phone 7 is. The only reason why Android has been successful up to now (in the UK at least) is because people want a smartphone with apps. 90% of the people I know who have an Android device had no idea what Android was before they bought the phone (and some still don't really understand). Google do little to no marketing.
Soon people will walk into a shop looking for a HTC AND be further persuaded by Windows Phone.
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i thought this was supposed to be a positive thread, specifically for wp7 ? it seems like just another comparison thread, or a "but we're doing good stuff now too!" thread.
anyway, i like the OP's idea of being a positive promoter. you may find it easiest to just start a youtube channel with your mission stated, and provide good tips, avoiding buzzwords, all while filtering the negative. people relate to a video demonstration of capabilities so very well.
good luck

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I had a G1 when it was first released and upgraded to a Desire. In my opinion, this is why WP7 will do better than Android has...
Peoples Reactions:
Desire: "Oh you have a HTC?"
HD7: "Oh you have one of them new Windows Phones?"
The point? People know what Windows Phone 7 is. The only reason why Android has been successful up to now (in the UK at least) is because people want a smartphone with apps. 90% of the people I know who have an Android device had no idea what Android was before they bought the phone (and some still don't really understand). Google do little to no marketing.
Soon people will walk into a shop looking for a HTC AND be further persuaded by Windows Phone.
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i've not seen a 'you have htc' comment, once.
here, in the southeastern US, people ask "Is that a google phone ?". associating google + phone = awesome; is what it seems to be. at family/friend gatherings, i have yet to see a wp7 device. the wp6.x holdouts that i've personally known have changed to iphone or more commonly, android. phone envy ? i dunno, possibly. it seems more than anything the young folks i run into -know- the iphone from 30 feet away, know the android devices from 10 feet away, and know wp7 is still beta ware. i'm sorry, but that's the impression the young folks have here.
that being said, the older (than me) folks tend to gravitate to iphones. the large, easily read/understood apps and icons seem to attract them, along with the ease of use with their newish apple desktops. at physical therapy a few weeks ago, one gentleman was commenting about a recipe his aunt emailed him. on his phone. then he facetime'd her, and showed her the exercises that were going on. gimmicky ? i think not. i questioned him about android, wp7, and who made his phone. he didn't care, he just wanted "something that works very well, and doesn't require calling his nephew to fix."
that kind of attitude is what i'm seeing, here. people really don't -care- what the device is, what it runs, or who makes the software. all they want is a device that is mature, easily used, and easily maintained.
word-of-mouth is definitely in my neck o the woods(order of popularity/importance):
iphone
android (google phone more commonly known)
other
wp7 isn't on the radar. at all. it needs a ton of marketing, the current 'really' ads are funny, sharp, and true to life. what they -don't- do is show the phone. iphone ads on the other hand, show the phone (speeded up of course) doing what it does. android phones, show what they do. the wp7 commercials (which i love) point out the flaws of people, not the positives of the phone. we -all know- that people text and drive, are distracted everywhere in life by their phones. what we don't know is how the windows idea is going to solve this. SHOW IT !
hopefully this can be read, understood and not taken as fanboy bashing. it's very difficult for people to read a comment that isn't complete praise for a product and agree usually.

brummiesteven said:
Desire: "Oh you have a HTC?"
HD7: "Oh you have one of them new Windows Phones?"
The point? People know what Windows Phone 7 is.
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Interesting-- guess MS has done a much better job marketing WP7 in the UK than the US. The WP7 ads are on TV, but in NY I haven't come across anyone outside of techie circles who's aware of WP7 (awareness seems on par with Windows Mobile -- which is basically none -- whereas Android (which, as ohgood mentioned, is often known as "the Google phone") is almost approaching iPhone mindshare now). I'm the only WP7 owner I know of (and now the only WM owner as well-- everyone else switched to iPhones or Android handsets).
On the retail front, most WP7 displays I've seen at AT&T stores are hidden in the corner, and T-Mobile shops just have the HD7 on display along with the HD2 and a million Android phones, so it's pretty hidden (interestingly the HD7 is still in stock everywhere in retail, unlike even the HD2, which sold out almost immediately).

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i've not seen a 'you have htc' comment, once.
here, in the southeastern US, people ask "Is that a google phone ?". associating google + phone = awesome; is what it seems to be. at family/friend gatherings, i have yet to see a wp7 device. the wp6.x holdouts that i've personally known have changed to iphone or more commonly, android. phone envy ? i dunno, possibly. it seems more than anything the young folks i run into -know- the iphone from 30 feet away, know the android devices from 10 feet away, and know wp7 is still beta ware. i'm sorry, but that's the impression the young folks have here.
that being said, the older (than me) folks tend to gravitate to iphones. the large, easily read/understood apps and icons seem to attract them, along with the ease of use with their newish apple desktops. at physical therapy a few weeks ago, one gentleman was commenting about a recipe his aunt emailed him. on his phone. then he facetime'd her, and showed her the exercises that were going on. gimmicky ? i think not. i questioned him about android, wp7, and who made his phone. he didn't care, he just wanted "something that works very well, and doesn't require calling his nephew to fix."
that kind of attitude is what i'm seeing, here. people really don't -care- what the device is, what it runs, or who makes the software. all they want is a device that is mature, easily used, and easily maintained.
word-of-mouth is definitely in my neck o the woods(order of popularity/importance):
iphone
android (google phone more commonly known)
other
wp7 isn't on the radar. at all. it needs a ton of marketing, the current 'really' ads are funny, sharp, and true to life. what they -don't- do is show the phone. iphone ads on the other hand, show the phone (speeded up of course) doing what it does. android phones, show what they do. the wp7 commercials (which i love) point out the flaws of people, not the positives of the phone. we -all know- that people text and drive, are distracted everywhere in life by their phones. what we don't know is how the windows idea is going to solve this. SHOW IT !
hopefully this can be read, understood and not taken as fanboy bashing. it's very difficult for people to read a comment that isn't complete praise for a product and agree usually.
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There then seems to be a massive division between the US (and I assume) the Rest of the World (or at least the UK/Europe).
Over here hardly anybody knows what Android is. We have no little to no android advertisements.
The major problem with Google is they don't seem to want to advertise themselves, am I correct here? U.S. Advertisements are done by Verizon/Maunfacturers etc etc?
Manufacturers do advertise their phones over here but none of them mention that the phones have android. The samsung adverts have the android robot in them but they don't really explain them. HTC adverts don't mention android at all (they just have the "you" campain).
There are a few things. The CarphoneWarehouse (mobile phone store) has started advertising android instore but this doesn't extend to TV or billboards etc. The G1 had minor "With Google" stamps on it's adverts but most people I know assumed this just meant it came with Google Maps, Google Search etc and had nothing to do with the OS.
When Networks (Carriers) get android phones they may promote them instore but this will be for the phones themselves and nothing on them running Android.
Compare this to WP7:
- Adverts on TV All the time (They might not be the best, but they're there at least)
- Massive billboard adverts, showing the phones "This changes everything Gizmodo Quote".
- o2 promoting the HD7 specifically highlighting that it's a Windows Phone
- Orange doing the same with the Omnia and Mozart
- Product Placement (see http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos...0089751101228_525696227_7296354_3969070_n.jpg)
Over here hardly anyone knows what Android is and it really used to piss me off how Google did no advertising whatsoever.
To the OP: Apologies that I took this post offtopic, I'm going to contact a Mod now and ask them if they will split the marketing discussion into a new topic.

Thumbs up here also. I've known about the differences between all the O/S and WP7, I actually came from 6.5. I brought one home, and the wife almost immediately said, go back and get me one too.
When I am using the phone in public places, sometimes I can feel people stretching to see what I am using. That usually generates a little conversation. About 70% say, "Oh, I've heard about those new Windows phones", or else they have seen the commercials and have not seen the phone. I tell them overall, this is a great system now, but not without its drawbacks (namely no custom ringtones.. and a few other things that will be addressed in the near future). Not the same old MS products. Go out and get one.

I am heartened to see so many positive comments, I may take up the earlier suggestion abou showing off some features of wp7 on YouTube

[Q] My wife wants to know some benefits to the streak over the HD7

anyone got any? I'm a supporter of WP7 so I'm not so good at selling android but she wants to know so yeah. Any ideas o_0

You should really take her to Bestbuy so she can try one out. The phone is too big to be practical in my opinion.

Well, it's Android, so it's automatically superior.
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If laggy mediocre unattractive UIs are your thing I guess. I prefer something fluid. WP7 may not yet have the market but hey, it's doing better than android right out of the gate and the vast majority of ours arent ringtone packs and fart apps.

z33dev33l said:
If laggy mediocre unattractive UIs are your thing I guess. I prefer something fluid. WP7 may not yet have the market but hey, it's doing better than android right out of the gate and the vast majority of ours arent ringtone packs and fart apps.
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Maybe you have lag on 2 year old devices. There's absolutely zero on my EVO. Also, the vast majority of your apps aren't anything because you barely have any apps on WP7. According to Koush (from the CyanogoenMod team), the app approval process for WP7 development is also a nightmare, so I wouldn't expect it to garner much attention on that front. WP7 is basically dead in the water (like BlackBerry) because it can't compete with Android and iOS.

your going to get bored with the streak if you plan on making use of it for daily use, HD7 is sleek and compact, plus android is good is your going to tweak, personally i dont like android out of the box

The big difference between the two: Streak works on ATT's 3G, HD7 works on T-Mo's. However, if you're not tied to any one carrier, the big thing to take into consideration is the deliciously monstrous screen. I've only played with a demo unit, but even running Android 1.6, it was a fun unit to play with. The deal killer for me was that I would be using it as my primary phone, and the awesomest feature, the giant screen, is also its biggest drawback, as it would cause it to not fit in my pants. However, since women carry those purse things, and otterbox makes an outlandishly large case for it to protect it from other purse-bound items, it may be an option. As mentioned above, take her to best buy and let her play with a unit. That'll be the best way to let her see if she'd like one. They've also recently dropped to $100 on contract, which sweetens the deal considerably.

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Maybe you have lag on 2 year old devices. There's absolutely zero on my EVO. Also, the vast majority of your apps aren't anything because you barely have any apps on WP7. According to Koush (from the CyanogoenMod team), the app approval process for WP7 development is also a nightmare, so I wouldn't expect it to garner much attention on that front. WP7 is basically dead in the water (like BlackBerry) because it can't compete with Android and iOS.
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I thought that as well until I played with WP7
the lack of GPU acceleration is a dealbreaker.
The main reason for it being harder on apps than android is so we don't get cluttered with garbage apps like ringtone apps and hundreds of fart apps. Android may have more but 99 percent of it is things no intelligent person would touch. WP7 is a more practical approach and not meant for third graders. That paired with a much better UI, well, theres not too much that could go wrong.

z33dev33l said:
I thought that as well until I played with WP7
the lack of GPU acceleration is a dealbreaker.
The main reason for it being harder on apps than android is so we don't get cluttered with garbage apps like ringtone apps and hundreds of fart apps. Android may have more but 99 percent of it is things no intelligent person would touch. WP7 is a more practical approach and not meant for third graders. That paired with a much better UI, well, theres not too much that could go wrong.
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Hmm. Let me take a look at the Android Market. No, I can't say I see ANY "fart apps or ringtone apps." Of course, I don't look for new apps by browsing the "just in" category. The "top apps" categories and new "similar" tab provide everything I need for a junk-free Market experience. Oh, and I like my homescreen to be more than a bunch of boring, solid-colored boxes. That "speed" you mention comes heavily at the cost of customization.

no its the lack of gpu acceleration. no cost just poor software. Last I checked I wasnt a 3rd grader who needed a pic of the girl Im crushing on for a homescreen. I'm happy with constantly updated tiles that at one quick glance tell me everything thats going on. Now can anyone tell me any benefits aside from gaming to this OS not the typical fanboy reply "It's better by default." I honestly cant come up with one other plus aside from size.

z33dev33l said:
The main reason for it being harder on apps than android is so we don't get cluttered with garbage apps like ringtone apps and hundreds of fart apps. Android may have more but 99 percent of it is things no intelligent person would touch. WP7 is a more practical approach and not meant for third graders. That paired with a much better UI, well, theres not too much that could go wrong.
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Stop regurgitating whatever Steve Jobs says. What's with your fixation on fart apps and ringtones?
If you're asking for opinions, act like a grown-up and consider what others are sharing with you. If you want to dismiss everything as OMFGANDROIDSUXLULZZZ then stop wasting everybody's time, go get a goddamn WP7 phone. Stop trolling and GTFO.

Actually I was an android fanboy since the G1, I loved it and would not touch an iphone .with a 10 foot pole. Odds are I've done more to android phones than you or many others. I still root and flash android phones as a side job. I also build my own roms for the nexus one and a few others. I would like a valid reason other than gaming that the streak is better than the HD7 because she is generally interested in the large screen. But you know, with your all caps 1337sp33k you totally showed how capable you are of acting like an adult.

Wow you root and flash Android phones? Dude, you're so pro! Remember, you're the one saying Android is for third graders... so I'm not even going to waste any more time discussing adult-like behavior with you.
Again, if nothing can convince you that Android at its state today is superior to WP7, then by all means go get a WP7 phone. What's holding you up? It seems like you have already made your decision. So, stop fishing for opinions that you know you will dismiss without consideration, and go buy your wife the HD7. I sincerely hope you both enjoy it. WP7 isn't bad by any stretch of the imagination, but it hasn't reached the maturity that Android has. That's the general concensus and there's not much you can change there.

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Wow you root and flash Android phones? Dude, you're so pro! Remember, you're the one saying Android is for third graders... so I'm not even going to waste any more time discussing adult-like behavior with you.
Again, if nothing can convince you that Android at its state today is superior to WP7, then by all means go get a WP7 phone. What's holding you up? It seems like you have already made your decision. So, stop fishing for opinions that you know you will dismiss without consideration, and go buy your wife the HD7. I sincerely hope you both enjoy it. WP7 isn't bad by any stretch of the imagination, but it hasn't reached the maturity that Android has. That's the general concensus and there's not much you can change there.
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No, the desire to customize a UI just doesnt make sense to me. I mean with android itt did because with the UI it would just be bland without customization but the same customization is not necessary on a windows phone. I want herto get the streak because I know she likes it and regardless I still like android it's just not right for the business oriented consumer (me) but she wants a fun phone. I just want to know aside from market is there anything that android beats out WP7 on. That is my one simple question. I know it is a more fun phone but she wants hard facts. I'm already sold on the streak for her taste to be honest. It's her opinion as well however and she (like most women my age) can't make up her mind about anything.

^ dude you are so funny. You bash android every chance you get. First in the WP7 forum, now in the general forums. What are you seeking, vengeance?

The only thing I bashed was when someone said "It's android, it's better by default." I want her to get android because it's better suited for her and she wants a huge screen so I thought streak instantly. I ask the members of the community for facts because she wants them and in return get biased statements that have nothing to do with specs. All I'm asking for is facts.

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The only thing I bashed was when someone said "It's android, it's better by default." I want her to get android because it's better suited for her and she wants a huge screen so I thought streak instantly. I ask the members of the community for facts because she wants them and in return get biased statements that have nothing to do with specs. All I'm asking for is facts.
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The same way that it is a "fact" that Android apps are nothing but ring tones and fart apps?
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I don't know what your wife wants in a phone, but the only "apps" my wife uses on her current phone are the browser and solitaire, which work well in both Android and WP7, so as far as it would apply to her, the flamewar between Android and WP7 would make no difference, and I don't know why it has been carried into this thread. As far as the streak and HD7 are concerned, both are gigahertz devices with half a gig of ram and gorilla glass. The streak has a larger LCD, but it's tft as opposed to the hd7's slcd, so there is that. Also, memory cards on the streak can be shuffled around without busting your warranty, so if the OP's wife moves a lot of data around, that could be important. Also, wp7 has Netflix streaming support, so of you're retarded for Netflix like I am, that may factor in. The streak also uses a goofy proprietary cable, which really doesn't make much difference, but does rub me the wrong way for a reason that I don't fully understand. Other than that, not sure what would be relevant to the OP's question.

I never stated that that was all androids market was composed of. It is composed of some of the best games and that's why I'd think she'd find it more appealing. Someone brought about the fact that the apps on WP7 were harder to get approved and I stated that is to prevent the majority of the market from being junk apps. I'm sorry but 186 different fart machines on android. That says nothing about the system just the app people. I do want to thank the post before mine for those facts, you have sold her on the streak where I couldnt because I don't know much about it's android experience (Dell's custom UI or whatever) and I appreciate that.

No prob, man. Glad to help. I do stress that you should take her to go play with a physical unit before committing to the purchase, though. It is surprisingly thin and easy to hold, but any pressure on the screen makes it do that weird LCD color-smudge thing, and while I was able to use it easily, there were times that the digitizer wasn't reading my swiping gestures correctly. Honestly though, now that it's down to $100 on contract, I'm regretting having cashed-in my upgrade already. What was unreasonable to purchase for $300 is pretty tempting at $100. Oh well, still won't fit in my pants, lol.

Android Dies Tommarrow?

Will Android Die tommarrow once the Iphone is announced for Verizon? I think so. As a former 5 time Android phone user I cant wait. I gave the robot every chance. But without the support of Devs making applications an OS is useless.

Enjoy!
honeycomb is gunna rock peoples socks!
Do they use cdma in other parts of the world?

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Yeah -- have fun with your iPhone then.

HA It wont be dieing for me. I would never pick a iPhone over an android. Android so much more flexible and inventive in my humble opinion.
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Tomorrow does not have an 'a' in it.
And no, the iPhone will not kill the Android no matter what carrier signs it. iPhones share the same traits as Macs -- pretty, easy to use, and nearly idiot-proof -- but the more advanced and adept users will always gravitate towards Android (linux) and Corporate users towards Windows.
Besides, iPhones to date have been overpriced and, like Macs, the only way you can run their OS is on their hardware. Android runs on everything from tablets to mp3 players to cell phones across a variety of manufacturers.
I mean, you're essentially asking if Betty Crocker Instant Mashed Potatoes are going to hurt the sale of spuds. The only real answer is a smack in the mouth.

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I mean, you're essentially asking if Betty Crocker Instant Mashed Potatoes are going to hurt the sale of spuds. The only real answer is a smack in the mouth.
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Backhand hand smack in the mouth?

delugeofspam said:
iPhones share the same traits as Macs -- pretty, easy to use, and nearly idiot-proof
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awesome dude... share it on twitter xD

BigBonkers said:
Will Android Die tommarrow once the Iphone is announced for Verizon? I think so. As a former 5 time Android phone user I cant wait. I gave the robot every chance. But without the support of Devs making applications an OS is useless.
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Seriously?? No dev support? Have you taken the phone out of the box and used it?
You do realize that your posting about no dev support on one of the larger dev communities right?
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wife has an iphone 3gs running the new OS on it, had her use my android handset for a week as a test ...
she admitted if it weren't for the games and stupid little bits and bobs she was used to having she'd sell the iphone and switch in a heartbeat but alas not to be

BigBonkers said:
Will Android Die tommarrow once the Iphone is announced for Verizon? I think so. As a former 5 time Android phone user I cant wait. I gave the robot every chance. But without the support of Devs making applications an OS is useless.
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HA! no support from the devs? Try owning a palm pre. I just ditched one for the new evo shift, and so far I am LOVING the amount of support for android

Please don't feed the troll!

you see now I never asked which was a better os......i stated that without support from TRUE developers making apps a OS is no Good. Android has a horrible market which rarely works. The apps are 2 year old ports from the iphone. As far as the pre i think it has the best os just horrible hardware.
Look at what Nividia showed running on the Tegra chips at CES.....1 year old PORTS of games that run on the Iphone perfectly.
Hardware is fine and dandy but NO SUPPORT guys. Its sad.
I honestly beleive once the iphone comes to verizon noone on BigRed will ever buy an android again. Atleast the common user. Well see soon. This is gonna be fun!!!!!!

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you see now I never asked which was a better os......i stated that without support from TRUE developers making apps a OS is no Good. Android has a horrible market which rarely works. The apps are 2 year old ports from the iphone.
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This is just blatantly wrong, so go troll somewhere else -- there's lots of big-name developers on Android, including some from the iPhone world.
And yes, there's lots of garbage on the android market, but it does work. Don't forget that Amazon will be launching their cleaned-up android market this year too.

@burtcom actually your proving my point. please show me ONE app that they focused on the TEGRA chips that isnt on the Iphone??? Please name one? Also Amazon market??? Ummm where is it? Ohhhh its not here yet....oh ok Let me know when it is!
Please name me the developers on Android...... Netflix (not yet)...Gameloft (ummm old ports from iphone) EA.....ummm wheres madden? Oh still in beta?
Dont talk when you have no clue!
Oh and if there are games on Gamelofts site (the Ports) there made for the droid phones and the resolution is way off wack!!! But enjoy

The US is the last place that the iPhone hasn't been available on multiple carriers. The rest of the world has carriers with both the iPhone and Android phones competing directly, and Android is still doing great there. A Verizon iPhone will probably put a dent in their Android handset sales, no doubt, but there's always going to be a segment of the market that want something cheaper, or more powerful.
So no, Android will be just fine after tomorrow.
And apps are not the be all end all. They only matter so much to iPhone because it's basically just a glorified app launcher with a few apps bundled in. You can't even see the current weather without launching an app.

OP, you do realize that the iPhone is available on many major carriers in the the rest of world, right? Do you seriously think the US has the biggest cellphone market? (The answer is no. I'm telling you this since you probably don't know the answer.) Android is still growing at a rapid rate and taking up market share in the rest of the world. We shall see how the iPhone 4 does IN THE US when it comes to Verizon. If iPhone 4 Verizon does destroy the Android, then Android will die ONLY in the US, not the rest of the world.
So what if many apps are ported from the iPhone? Why don't you ask why those developers are porting their apps over to Android if they don't see the potential of Android?
Technically, Android has the best developer that no iPhone developers can compare - Google itself. Where did iPhone's Maps and Youtube apps come from? Which OS has the better Google apps?
you see now I never asked which was a better os......i stated that without support from TRUE developers making apps a OS is no Good.
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You didn't ask, you simply implied that iOS is better. People here are just disagreeing with you. And most of your arguments are surrounding the game department of the iOS. What else do you have? Even if you bring some more things on the table, you still can't argue what I wrote in my first few paragraphs. Enjoy the iPhone. I honestly think it is a great phone, but I hope you didn't type your posts using the iPhone. If so, learn how to fully use your iPhone please, otherwise it would just be a waste, no offense.

When people keep talking about apps apps apps for iPhone, they are just talking about games. Really, ask any iPhone users what awesome apps they are talking about that aren't games, and they will not have an answer for you. Or name apps that also exist on Android. Netflix? Yeah, its pretty cool. But its not like its been out all that long for iPhone, and the video selection is pretty limited, AND it will be out for Android anytime now, since it was already leaked at CES.
Seriously, how many games do you need? I love playing games as much (probably more) than the next guy. And there is plenty on Android, and developer support is growing. If you need more games than available on Android, its pretty likely that you need to spend more time on other activities besides playing little casual games on your phone.
Besides, not all developers are in love with Apple. Look at Adobe and PrimeSense (the original developer of the XBox 360 Kinect controller). These are important players, that were completely turned off by Apple's need to domineer and control, and eventually gave up on Apple.
The OP implies that the only reason that not everyone owns an iPhone, is because they are tied to Verizon. There are plenty of people like me that have been on AT&T forever, but have no interest in the iPhone. AT&T customer for over a decade, and I've never owned an iPhone, and never will. If Apple had their way, there would be no variety in hardware, or how we use our phones. There will always be people that find these types of limitations suffocating and unacceptable. Some of us like to have the choice of more than one form factor (say a larger screen, or a smaller one, or a hardware keyboard), or to have a homescreen that isn't just a near-useless grid of shortcuts. It would be a sad place where only one device could exist. Luckily, things don't work that way, and there is always room for competition in just about any business. So with any luck, Android won't be going anywhere soon.
Sure the iPhone is popular. But saying an OS is doomed just because its not the most popular platform, and doesn't have the most games, then that's the same as saying Mac computer shouldn't exist either.

Android won't die tomorrow
But troll should die today

I don't know about others but to me a cell its more like a helping hand or what ever you like to call it. Atleast for the tech lovers like me. But we all have different ways of doing our day to day stuffs. Android appreciates and compliments that. That's why I will go for Android. For the level of freedom it gives you, not how many new cookies it have in the box.
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Android is for guys..... iOS is for girls. Really!
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