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Which Jellybean Rom to use?

There seems to be quite a few jelly bean roms right now, and without an official leak, I am sure each one has its ups and downs at this point.
I am coming from synergyrom, and want to give JB a try. Since theres is still "beta" I am not sure I wanna try that right away.
Which is the most stable at this point??

Definitely liquid smooth...I've tried others and always revert back to touch wiz stock based roms, and i despise touch wiz...liquid smooth jb is the best I've flashed
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liquid smooth is awesome for aosp JB, but touchwiz there's not much thats super stable imo

thanks for the input so far!
Please note if there are known issues, that might help make decisions too.
Thanks all!!

I like codename. Super smooth, frickin' fast and barely believable battery life! Some apps don't stream audio over bluetooth and you have to enable a couple of Developer options to address screen flickering, but those are truthfully very minor annoyances you'll be happy to overlook when you get a taste of that ROM.
Seriously, try it. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1900479

I've tried both liquid and codename. They are both very very similar. I can't find cant difference in customization between the two.
Codename ran a little warm for me, not saying liquid runs cool but still.
The reason I jumped to liquid is because in codename (for me anyway) the 160 character MMS bug still persisted, it does not in liquid.
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duarian said:
I've tried both liquid and codename. They are both very very similar. I can't find cant difference in customization between the two.
Codename ran a little warm for me, not saying liquid runs cool but still.
The reason I jumped to liquid is because in codename (for me anyway) the 160 character MMS bug still persisted, it does not in liquid.
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I can respect that. Haven't tried liquid as the CNA ROM got posted around the time I got this phone. I've heard the 160 character error msg is a bit of a red herring, that the msgs actually do get sent but just say they didn't. Was that your experience or did they actually not get sent?

One of the biggest issues with JB roms is if your not in a 4G area then be prepared for some non stop 3G data drops. Also I've noticed weaker signal strength in both service and wifi.
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bc760 said:
One of the biggest issues with JB roms is if your not in a 4G area then be prepared for some non stop 3G data drops. Also I've noticed weaker signal strength in both service and wifi.
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Well said.
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bc760 said:
One of the biggest issues with JB roms is if your not in a 4G area then be prepared for some non stop 3G data drops. Also I've noticed weaker signal strength in both service and wifi.
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There is a fix for this now but just has not made it's way into all AOSP roms yet. There are in most of the newer AOKP builds right now.
The biggest issue still is the low volume when recording video's. This is an issue in all AOSP roms and has not been fixed yet. I know I also read a lot about speakerphone and in call volume problems but not sure to much about the actual issue.
This is why I am still sticking to an ICS TW Rom. I like knowing everything on my device just works.

The only major thing that keeps from moving to CM10, or Liquid Smooth is the lack of USB Audio. I leave my phone on my dock at work and stream Pandora through the dock's usb audio. I've been using SynergyROM for awhile now, and will probably stick with it until the USB Audio issue is fixed.

AOKP's new build has been great for me. No real issues to report yet...been on it since 3 came out a week or so ago?

i haven't been too impressed jb at all tbh.

Well there's two routes you can go to get your JellyBean fix, and that's either AOSP or TouchWiz.
Touchwiz: You've got two choices.
- You could go with Synergy JB 0.2 beta which is based off the AT&T leaked JB touchwiz build. I personally have not ran it so i can't comment on how well it works, but i use synergy as my touchwiz choice of roms, and was never disappointed by there work, so i'm sure the JB build is working great.
- There is also Jellywiz which is made by Incubus, he's been basing his off the latest leaks, and has a few builds out. One of them is a custom build which just has a few theme changes, and a few other things added in/changed. There's a lot of praise in that thread for his rom, the only bug i had when trying it was that i could not get voice and data to work at the same time (phone calls and web browsing at the same time) But that is because its not based off a verizon leak and until then probably will not work.
AOSP: We'll you've got a lot of options, there's a few here on XDA and then some more on Rootzwiki, so i won't be giving detail on all of them, just a few. But they will all generally 'look' the same, by that i mean because they are all based on AOSP source it'll have the same look to it, since source looks the same.
-CM10: Well it's your basic CM that you've grown to love (or hate ) you can expect nightlies, and things to get fixed in a timely matter. If you used CM7 or CM9 on previous devices then you'll know exactly what to expect. Its built directly from source and you can expect it to be speedy quick.
-AOKP: It's built from source as well just like CM10, but has more options in it, and generally more customization as well. If you use it it'll look a lot like CM10, but it'll have added in bonuses
-CodeNameAndroid: Again built from source, but with codename you've got a ton of customization thrown in, there's a lot of stuff from different AOSP options thrown into it. Right now the Navbar doesn't work without flashing a separate file, but that's not a huge problem since its just a little file to flash. I personally am using it right now and its been great to me, can't really complain about it at all
-LiquidSmooth: Built from source, those that have used a liquid rom before will know exactly what to expect. It will be speedy quick and smooth as hell. You'll find plenty of butter in it as well, they've got there own liquidsettings that'll allow you to do even more customization, and i give them major props, i've currently got them going on my old thunderbolt which is my backup phone, but also used them on my OG Droid and i can vouch that they will provide an amazing rom for users
There are more AOSP Roms over on rootzwiki, but its again the same general thing, each AOSP rom comes from source, but each developer will theme/modify/add/remove/customize to there own liking to provide you with what they feel is the best user experience. The biggest difference between the Touchwiz JB roms and AOSP is that with AOSP you'll have a lot more options going and it'll be stock jellybean, no touchwiz nonsense to hold you back. Some people love the touchwiz stuff and that's fine, but some will love having pure jellybean on there phone and being able to take advantage of that. I'll tell you honestly 100% that AOSP will be faster no matter what touchwiz rom you run.
Oh and kernel wise, i fully stand behind imoseyon's lean kernel for AOSP roms, i've always used imoseyon's kernel's and have always gotten amazing battery life on my GS3 and thunderbolt.
Phew i really hope this helps you with any decision you may have
***If i missed any Touchwiz or AOSP roms i do apologize, i don't know them all off the top of my head, so please don't think that just because i left yours out that i meant it in a bad way***

What are the general downsides with using these JB roms weither it be TouchWiz or AOSP. I'm going to take the jump soon but whats fixed or unfixable? I hear some people say screen flicker and no 3G etc.

Neverendingxsin said:
Well there's two routes you can go to get your JellyBean fix, and that's either AOSP or TouchWiz.
Touchwiz: You've got two choices.
- You could go with Synergy JB 0.2 beta which is based off the AT&T leaked JB touchwiz build. I personally have not ran it so i can't comment on how well it works, but i use synergy as my touchwiz choice of roms, and was never disappointed by there work, so i'm sure the JB build is working great.
- There is also Jellywiz which is made by Incubus, he's been basing his off the latest leaks, and has a few builds out. One of them is a custom build which just has a few theme changes, and a few other things added in/changed. There's a lot of praise in that thread for his rom, the only bug i had when trying it was that i could not get voice and data to work at the same time (phone calls and web browsing at the same time) But that is because its not based off a verizon leak and until then probably will not work.
AOSP: We'll you've got a lot of options, there's a few here on XDA and then some more on Rootzwiki, so i won't be giving detail on all of them, just a few. But they will all generally 'look' the same, by that i mean because they are all based on AOSP source it'll have the same look to it, since source looks the same.
-CM10: Well it's your basic CM that you've grown to love (or hate ) you can expect nightlies, and things to get fixed in a timely matter. If you used CM7 or CM9 on previous devices then you'll know exactly what to expect. Its built directly from source and you can expect it to be speedy quick.
-AOKP: It's built from source as well just like CM10, but has more options in it, and generally more customization as well. If you use it it'll look a lot like CM10, but it'll have added in bonuses
-CodeNameAndroid: Again built from source, but with codename you've got a ton of customization thrown in, there's a lot of stuff from different AOSP options thrown into it. Right now the Navbar doesn't work without flashing a separate file, but that's not a huge problem since its just a little file to flash. I personally am using it right now and its been great to me, can't really complain about it at all
-LiquidSmooth: Built from source, those that have used a liquid rom before will know exactly what to expect. It will be speedy quick and smooth as hell. You'll find plenty of butter in it as well, they've got there own liquidsettings that'll allow you to do even more customization, and i give them major props, i've currently got them going on my old thunderbolt which is my backup phone, but also used them on my OG Droid and i can vouch that they will provide an amazing rom for users
There are more AOSP Roms over on rootzwiki, but its again the same general thing, each AOSP rom comes from source, but each developer will theme/modify/add/remove/customize to there own liking to provide you with what they feel is the best user experience. The biggest difference between the Touchwiz JB roms and AOSP is that with AOSP you'll have a lot more options going and it'll be stock jellybean, no touchwiz nonsense to hold you back. Some people love the touchwiz stuff and that's fine, but some will love having pure jellybean on there phone and being able to take advantage of that. I'll tell you honestly 100% that AOSP will be faster no matter what touchwiz rom you run.
Oh and kernel wise, i fully stand behind imoseyon's lean kernel for AOSP roms, i've always used imoseyon's kernel's and have always gotten amazing battery life on my GS3 and thunderbolt.
Phew i really hope this helps you with any decision you may have
***If i missed any Touchwiz or AOSP roms i do apologize, i don't know them all off the top of my head, so please don't think that just because i left yours out that i meant it in a bad way***
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thanks a bunch for the big write-up. I do live in an area that is partly 3g, part 4g, so I am a little concerned about these data drops.. Has this been fixed in the AOSP roms mentioned above?

I would hold out a few more weeks for a touchwiz based rom - I tried Incubus' and got a number of random reboots. Cleanrom 2.5 has been working great!

Currently, all the AOSP roms have the same issues -
- data drops, esp on 3g/4g handoff. There were some recent commits that claim to have fixed this, I'm not sure if it did and which rom's include it
- potential for IMEI loss or brick. Again, you should back up IMEI before any flash, I don't think these issues are present on TW
- TW camera is better. There's an AOSP JB camera mod but hasn't been updated for the newer builds yet
- GPS locks. I keep reading about this in the AOSP rom's, I don't know how common this is.

AndyMan386 said:
thanks a bunch for the big write-up. I do live in an area that is partly 3g, part 4g, so I am a little concerned about these data drops.. Has this been fixed in the AOSP roms mentioned above?
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your welcome. It ended up being a lot longer than I had originally planned. As for data drops, I'm testing a fix right now and I can confirm it works fine
ECrispy said:
Currently, all the AOSP roms have the same issues -
- data drops, esp on 3g/4g handoff. There were some recent commits that claim to have fixed this, I'm not sure if it did and which rom's include it
- potential for IMEI loss or brick. Again, you should back up IMEI before any flash, I don't think these issues are present on TW
- TW camera is better. There's an AOSP JB camera mod but hasn't been updated for the newer builds yet
- GPS locks. I keep reading about this in the AOSP rom's, I don't know how common this is.
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Data drops were indeed fixed
Imei issues can happen when flashing anything from radios to kernels to roms both touchwiz to aosp. It can also easily be restored.
Tw camera only has a few more features, but in terms of quality their both equal to me. Once the aosp mod is updated it'll be even better.
GPS lock is simple, just get a full lock before flashing aosp and then while having it locked boot into recovery and do your thing.

Neverendingxsin said:
your welcome. It ended up being a lot longer than I had originally planned. As for data drops, I'm testing a fix right now and I can confirm it works fine
Data drops were indeed fixed
Imei issues can happen when flashing anything from radios to kernels to roms both touchwiz to aosp. It can also easily be restored.
Tw camera only has a few more features, but in terms of quality their both equal to me. Once the aosp mod is updated it'll be even better.
GPS lock is simple, just get a full lock before flashing aosp and then while having it locked boot into recovery and do your thing.
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link to CM10 data fix?

A civil discussion of things asop and touch wiz on the gs3 a crack flasher's view.

I have been testing out many of the roms here for my new galaxy s3 coming from my htc droid incredible.
When i picked and chose my rom on the incredible there were things about sense i liked things I did not like but over all the performance was varied wildly most of the time it was asop or akop that was higher preforming on my inc so my choice was easy i ran akop roms most of the time infact my inc is running akop jellybean right now it runs great with the obvious issues of it just is not as fast as my gs3 nor does it have the big screen my gs3 has.
My experience with the galaxy s 3 has been rather different the way it organized its file system and favors internal storage over the sd card has been somewhat annoying as well i have found the reverse of my experiences with my incredible to be true now touch wiz has better performance than asop but it has more bugs and issues than running ported roms on my htc. While asop works great on it and is mostly bug free it just doesn't have the speed and feel of touch wiz and i keep wanting to go back to a tw based rom.
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mirrin said:
I have been testing out many of the roms here for my new galaxy s3 coming from my htc droid incredible.
When i picked and chose my rom on the incredible there were things about sense i liked things I did not like but over all the performance was varied wildly most of the time it was asop or akop that was higher preforming on my inc so my choice was easy i ran akop roms most of the time infact my inc is running akop jellybean right now it runs great with the obvious issues of it just is not as fast as my gs3 nor does it have the big screen my gs3 has.
My experience with the galaxy s 3 has been rather different the way it organized its file system and favors internal storage over the sd card has been somewhat annoying as well i have found the reverse of my experiences with my incredible to be true now touch wiz has better performance than asop but it has more bugs and issues than running ported roms on my htc. While asop works great on it and is mostly bug free it just doesn't have the speed and feel of touch wiz and i keep wanting to go back to a tw based rom.
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What bugs and issues on TW are you referring to? And speed? I definitely disagree. TW is bloated as hell.. 700+mb compared to 150mb on aosp. Over clock with the ktweaker app up to 2.1ghz and change your governor/scheduler to sio/smartassv2. Perhaps that will change your mind.
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Deliquified said:
What bugs and issues on TW are you referring to? And speed? I definitely disagree. TW is bloated as hell.. 700+mb compared to 150mb on aosp. Over clock with the ktweaker app up to 2.1ghz and change your governor/scheduler to sio/smartassv2. Perhaps that will change your mind.
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overclocking to 2.1 is pointless and does nothing but drain the battery faster. touchwiz imo is very close to the performance of aosp. i like both at this point and probably favor aosp slightly once the ril is perfected.

I wont defend the fact tw is bloated as hell i about flipped my **** when i saw the roms were 500+mb and like i had said i am used to the incredible where the size of the rom maxed out was 250mb literally unless you took some of the 750mb htc allocated for user apps.
That said I dont know if the cpu/gpu drivers for touch wiz are different or what but every asop rom i have tried is slower than every tw rom i have tried is slower not that it makes a huge difference as i am running a asop atm i do miss a few features of the touch wiz base most are cosmetic.
Also I am not going to overclock to achieve the same result that asop roms should easily achieve. sio did help a little though. Also not like the test im doing to see how my phone is doing. antutu and quadrant I am seeing a difference of 1500-2000 points in quadrant and 1200 in antutu. And those are not really that great of a way to tell anything.

Until I got the G3 I always ran aosp on any device where it was possible.
The G3 is a different story however, I have tried every ROM available & at this point I am completely baffled why anybody would put up with a buggy aosp ROM (& every one has bugs) when the TW ROMs are just as fast/smooth etc & everything works perfectly.
No matter what ROM I try, I keep coming back to the setup in my sig for my DD.

jmorton10 said:
Until I got the G3 I always ran aosp on any device where it was possible.
The G3 is a different story however, I have tried every ROM available & at this point I am completely baffled why anybody would put up with a buggy aosp ROM (& every one has bugs) when the TW ROMs are just as fast/smooth etc & everything works perfectly.
No matter what ROM I try, I keep coming back to the setup in my sig for my DD.
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Yeah coming from a GNex I figured I would hate TW but I actually like it. I kind of got bored with AOSP honestly. It's nice having all these features without having to use ROMs that hacked the features in in a sloppy manner.

As much as i like jb, aosp is slower and a battery hog. Im on cm10 atm but have beans rom on backup.

personally i lasted 2 days on aosp, found it buggy and the phone is quick w TW so I don't see a need for more speed.
running beans build 14 right now and i really like the ridiculously large level of customization you can do yourself. this is where ROMs should head IMHO, the devs don't make the design/theme choices but leave it up to the user to be able to have many choices after the ROM is flashed.
so great to have choices.

TouchWiz VS. AOSP?

I've been using the GS3 since it came out and have had this weird back and forth opinion of TouchWiz and AOSP. I was just wanting to get the opinion of the rest of the community to see if anyone feels the same way I do. Opinion Below:
For some strange reason, I feel better using the Galaxy S III with the TouchWiz UX interface. I used it for a number of months with CM10, but when I was using that interface, I didn't feel like I was using a my Samsung Phone. Even though I had a Galaxy Nexus and loved my time with it (before i dropped it in the river...), the same interface on this particular phone just didn't feel "right". Like I was emulating a completely different version of android. But the moment I loaded CleanRom 5.5.1, all the feeling of the GS3 came back. I can't really explain it, but it just feels good. the software goes to well with the screen size, the way I hold the phone, and (sorry, but) I now love S Voice more than Google's Voice Commands. i can set timers, text people, set events for work and S Voice locks onto my voice so much quicker than when it's older versions.
Again, this is just my opinion, but I would love to hear your reasons for picking one over the other, what killer thing you can't live without, or even why you don't care. I'm down for any conversation.

me too. i tried all the aosp roms and miui. and always find myself going back to stock touchwiz. which is funny. i remember before i bought the phone all i heard was "the only bad thing is it has touchwiz UI" and " touchwiz sucks" and i absolutely love it.

i prefer AOSP

TW but using Nova Launcher and Google Now instead of S Voice.

DaemonAshra said:
I've been using the GS3 since it came out and have had this weird back and forth opinion of TouchWiz and AOSP. I was just wanting to get the opinion of the rest of the community to see if anyone feels the same way I do. Opinion Below:
For some strange reason, I feel better using the Galaxy S III with the TouchWiz UX interface. I used it for a number of months with CM10, but when I was using that interface, I didn't feel like I was using a my Samsung Phone. Even though I had a Galaxy Nexus and loved my time with it (before i dropped it in the river...), the same interface on this particular phone just didn't feel "right". Like I was emulating a completely different version of android. But the moment I loaded CleanRom 5.5.1, all the feeling of the GS3 came back. I can't really explain it, but it just feels good. the software goes to well with the screen size, the way I hold the phone, and (sorry, but) I now love S Voice more than Google's Voice Commands. i can set timers, text people, set events for work and S Voice locks onto my voice so much quicker than when it's older versions.
Again, this is just my opinion, but I would love to hear your reasons for picking one over the other, what killer thing you can't live without, or even why you don't care. I'm down for any conversation.
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Basically CM/AOSP/AOKP is the Nexus with better hardware. If you want the same thing but faster that is where you go. If want all the bells and whistles you go TW. It is what you looking for. I stick with TW where all works and run all the 4.1.1/4.1.2/4.2/4.2.1 apps that we can port. I want everything on my $600 device to work . That includes every option that came on the phone. To me breaking the phone to go fast is not an option. Newer options are worthless if all you can do is call if you are lucky. I could call with a brick in the 70's. :laugh:

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Basically CM/AOSP/AOKP is the Nexus with better hardware. If you want the same thing but faster that is where you go. If want all the bells and whistles you go TW. It is what you looking for. I stick with TW where all works and run all the 4.1.1/4.1.2/4.2/4.2.1 apps that we can port. I want everything on my $600 device to work . That includes every option that came on the phone. To me breaking the phone to go fast is not an option. Newer options are worthless if all you can do is call if you are lucky. I could call with a brick in the 70's. :laugh:
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I didn't really think of it in those terms, but that's pretty much dead on. with CM10, i did a lot more CPU management, tweaking, and seeing what little things i could change to make the phone break the laws of physics (didn't do it). And with TouchWiz. I kinda just sit back and use my phone as a phone. call, text, watch youtube. I still like to keep my titanium backups synced to dropbox, but not much more.
Random, but every time I load a new ROM that I've never used before, the first thing I do is call one of my parents. Always need to make sure I can send a phone call.

I don't mind touchwiz all that much. Couldn't stand sense or moto blur but tw the isn't all that bad. Throw on apex the launcher and I'm good to go.
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DaemonAshra said:
I didn't really think of it in those terms, but that's pretty much dead on. with CM10, i did a lot more CPU management, tweaking, and seeing what little things i could change to make the phone break the laws of physics (didn't do it). And with TouchWiz. I kinda just sit back and use my phone as a phone. call, text, watch youtube. I still like to keep my titanium backups synced to dropbox, but not much more.
Random, but every time I load a new ROM that I've never used before, the first thing I do is call one of my parents. Always need to make sure I can send a phone call.
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Man I'm probably old enough to be your daddy. :laugh: I been playing and testing for some of the best in the business for a while. If it broke it is not cutting edge. Making broke go faster makes no sense to me. You should be able to make what works go faster and still work. Being on the cutting edge of broke is for the devs not for the masses. Once stable go for it. But if your wife, girlfriend or parents can't get hold of you cause your on cutting edge of broke you have a problem.

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Man I'm probably old enough to be your daddy. :laugh: I been playing and testing for some of the best in the business for a while. If it broke it is not cutting edge. Making broke go faster makes no sense to me. You should be able to make what works go faster and still work. Being on the cutting edge of broke is for the devs not for the masses. Once stable go for it. But if your wife, girlfriend or parents can't get hold of you cause your on cutting edge of broke you have a problem.
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I agree completely about you being old.
Between the Data not working on CM10.1 for the first week or so, and little errors that come with devs trying to port other phones' features into their ROM's, I was prompted to go back to CleanROM and just take a breath from all the flashing and rebooting. I'll be looking for that 4.1.2 update. but I'll stay away from the real crazy stuff.

DaemonAshra said:
I agree completely about you being old.
Between the Data not working on CM10.1 for the first week or so, and little errors that come with devs trying to port other phones' features into their ROM's, I was prompted to go back to CleanROM and just take a breath from all the flashing and rebooting. I'll be looking for that 4.1.2 update. but I'll stay away from the real crazy stuff.
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I'm currently on Beans stock deodex with Ziggy's latest kernel @1.72/384. Kinda craps mods and Moto's International VRTheme. All Gapps 4.1-4.2 inverted. Rock stable and running 6500 Quads. Everything works including call recording.

I've been flashing for awhile.
At this point (actually - Nov 1st) I've been CleanROM only. Everything "works" + mixed with WasabiWa's themes - I'm a happy man.
This is the tamest my crack flashing has ever been. It's almost scary. TW JB is pretty nice...
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1ManWolfePack said:
I've been flashing for awhile.
At this point (actually - Nov 1st) I've been CleanROM only. Everything "works" + mixed with WasabiWa's themes - I'm a happy man.
This is the tamest my crack flashing has ever been. It's almost scary. TW JB is pretty nice...
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Wolfe don't be sucking these kids in for the kill. I'm stock tweaked, deodexed, kerneled and themed. Rockin it . :laugh:

I can't imagine AOSP being much faster than TW with the necessary apps frozen. On my old phones AOSP was definitely the way to go, but the S3 is so powerful anyways, and TW isn't very heavy anymore.
And, in all honesty, the TW Camera app alone is worth it for me to stay on TW. All the non-TW camera apps pale in comparison, both in quality and options.

DaemonAshra said:
I agree completely about you being old.
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Haha.. made me laugh
I honestly can't stand TW. I have it on my wife's phone because she likes the camera better than the AOSP. But it just seems like TW just tried to be too pretty and to me it didn't make me happy. Even though AOSP has its little bugs, I just like it better. There are no widgets that I'm OMG about really like I was with Sense, for instance their music player, calendar, clock, and Facebook for HTC sense app... of course I prefer sense 3.5 style widgets a little more than 4. So I just stick with MIUI because that was the AOSP that made me fall in love with AOSP. Used to have the Dinc and Dinc2 and it ran flawlessly on both. Just pure love.
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DaemonAshra said:
For some strange reason, I feel better using the Galaxy S III with the TouchWiz UX interface. I used it for a number of months with CM10, but when I was using that interface, I didn't feel like I was using a my Samsung Phone. Even though I had a Galaxy Nexus and loved my time with it (before i dropped it in the river...), the same interface on this particular phone just didn't feel "right". Like I was emulating a completely different version of android.
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This.
I loaded up AOKP and tried that out for awhile. It was lightning fast on pretty much everything, but I just didn't feel like I was using my GS3 that I had fallen in love with. I'm on the stock JB OTA with Kindacrap Mods 2.6 flashed. The small tweaks in there make the phone for me. Everything's a little bit faster and once I found out that I could make the home button faster (my biggest complaint since owning the phone) simply by disabling the S-Voice polling, just more love to be had.
Being able to set separate lock screen and homescreen wallpapers that don't move (used to love the movement, but not so much anymore) is great. S-Beam is awesome. The premium suite will (hopefully) be a wonderful tweak. Samsung and TouchWiz have come a long way since my first Android phone: the Captivate on AT&T.

To me it is not about speed at this point but stability. Top end devices today do not need to go any faster then when you take it out of the box. I still scratch my head when I see people over clocking their S3. This thing already runs faster then some laptops that people own. Also, can't prove anything is faster when overclocking except running a benchmark. Otherwise they all feel the same!
I love the AOSP experience and options but it still has bugs that are important to me on the S3 so I am forced to use TW. Luckily TW is not that bad on the S3 and works well. If an AOSP Rom was bug free I surely would be running it. And don't believe the hype when people tell you AOSP has no bugs. It can run stable but has bugs that prevent me from using it as a daily.
Running Pure's TW Rom right now it works great. Already has part of multi-window cooked in with the bar on the left and all your apps showing. Hopefully next release will actually have the multi window. He also said that he has the ink effect on the lockscreen for the next rls as well. He is always pushing the bar with new features so I am pretty content right now with TW.

CM10.1 kangs have been nothing but stable for me since I got my S3 a few weeks ago. I like the whole interface and experience; hated TW. Call me lucky but I'm 100% satisfied.

I've gone back and forth between AOSP and TW-based ROMS. Besides stability, I do enjoy the extra features that are on the stock framework.
I'm just curious to see how developers will utilize the source code into their ROMS, now that it's out.

I like AOSP if it works. I would easily be on cm10.1 if everything worked, but until then, I think I have to use my phone as a phone

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I like AOSP if it works. I would easily be on cm10.1 if everything worked, but until then, I think I have to use my phone as a phone
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Same here. I ran AOSP on my OG Epic and while I liked it for what our offered, constant struggles with features broken/ not working made me steer clear of it on GS3 until ALL phone functions work as well as they do on TW.

My gripes about Google Edition (coming from stock)

I love my S4, and I really have no problems with TouchWiz, apart from the gigantic size of /system (makes it a bear when making and storing frequent nandroid backups). I've been playing around with the Google Edition ROM v1.3 for the past couple of days, and I'm really impressed with the small size of the ROM, and the noticeable "snappiness" that it brings to my device (the stock rom with OTA and reduced bloatware is fine, but G.E. seems just a hair faster).
That being said, I'm returning back to the nandroid of my stock rom for now, and here's a list of reasons why:
I absolutely LOVE Samsung's camera app that's in TW. I know that someone is already working on porting it over to G.E., but this is something I can't go without in the meantime.
I miss the cool lockscreen "lens flare" effect. It seems such a trivial thing, but I do miss it.
The Samsung Keyboard. I'm really surprised nobody has ported this over to AOSP yet (link me to it if I'm wrong). Some of the haters hate the Samsung keyboard, but I much prefer it over every other one I've tried, including AOSP/Google, Swiftkey, and several others available in the Play Store.
I liked the toggles on the notification bar. I found a suitable replacement, though, so it's hard for me to list this one.
Stock music player. The Google Edition only comes with Google Play Music it seems? I just want my stock music player back tyvm. *shrug* Maybe I missed something, but I just want to play my MP3's offline without subscribing to something ridiculous and unnecessary.
I liked the Optical Reader that came with stock. Again, this is trivial because there's so many replacements on the Market, but Samsung's version was pretty nice. G.E. doesn't seem to have one out-of-the-box that I've seen...
Stock Dialer. This is a huge one for me, the more I think about it. Back when I had my S2 and I moved from TW to CM, I missed the same feature that's missing in G.E.: dialing contacts by name! Very frustrating to have to search through my contacts list, rather than simply dialing "john" on the keypad. -_-
I did have an issue with the Reboot option missing, but thankfully Modaco's Xposed Mod works great to restore this. So, really a non-issue now...
S Beam is nice. I know AOSP/G.E. have "Android Beam", but iirc, it's not nearly as quick and smooth as S Beam is. My wife has the Note2 running rooted stock, so it's a nice feature to share larger files very quickly with her.
The stock TW launcher is nice - I don't see what everyone is fussing about. It's smooth, it's customizable, it loops around, and does everything I could ask for. The one in Google Edition isn't that nice. I know your response is, "why not just download another one?" Because I feel I shouldn't have to, that's why
Group Play anyone? I'm sure this will get ported over eventually, but it's not immediately available that I'm aware of.
While some of the extra features on the S4 are very "gimmicky" (i.e. air view/gesture, smart stay, etc.), they are also some of the very features that make the S4 unique amongst its peers. It's fun to show these off, once in a while, and I sometimes find them useful. Without all this, I feel like I'm just using a super-fast, super-sized Galaxy S2 running CM10.1 again.
There might be a few minor insignificant things I'm missing on this list, but that's everything I can puke out right now. Now you may ask, "what's the purpose of this thread?? why complain here??" - First, I don't want to plug up the G.E. thread more than it is already (I feel guilty for contributing to that mess already). Second, I'm somewhat hoping that each of these items can be addressed, fully and completely, at some point or another. I know the G.E. rom is very fresh, and work is currently underway to port some of these TW elements to it. It may be a while, it may be never. But perhaps there will be sufficient and acceptable alternatives to each of these, and perhaps the masses here on XDA can sway me back into Google Edition before long. Lastly, I could only hope that someone else might find this thread useful. Perhaps someone is debating making the jump to G.E. right now, and would like to know what it's like in comparison. Hope this helps you, Mr. On-The-Fence.
Now please, keep this thread clean. Perhaps offer your own gripes about Google Edition (versus TW)? Perhaps even add the things you love about G.E. (there are plenty to list, I'm sure!). Perhaps offer solutions to some of the items I've listed above. But posting things like "G.E. is AOSP-based, and doesn't have all these touchwiz things, get over it." won't help anyone.
Okay.... Go!

Lack of Launcher Options. Coming from CM10.1, AOSP as well basically, I'm used to having more launcher options such as # of rows, and such. This can be fixed easily using Nova or some other Launcher.

Obviously you just need to run a debloated stock based rom, GE is clearly not for you. I think you are missing the point of GE.
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Noobla_Khan said:
Obviously you just need to run a debloated stock based rom, GE is clearly not for you. I think you are missing the point of GE.
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... Not meaning to argue at all, but that's what I'm doing now (running stock, manually-debloated rom). This was kinda the whole purpose of the thread - explaining why G.E. is clearly not what I need right now.

Aou said:
... Not meaning to argue at all, but that's what I'm doing now (running stock, manually-debloated rom). This was kinda the whole purpose of the thread - explaining why G.E. is clearly not what I need right now.
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No arguement here but changing GE to include everything you listed is kinda pointless as you want to turn GE into a TW rom.
Try out some of the stock based roms, you might find one with that snappiness you are looking for. SHOStock and CleanRom are both excellent stock based roms.
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I think the Samsung firmware (as they call it) is the best for our phones currently because there are hardware drivers built in to the factory firmware and I think the Google edition rom does not have those and is just using generic drivers. I noticed the auto brightness doesn't really work at all with the ge rom. And the phone battery died real fast with the ge rom. Not to mention you miss the widgets and some of the nicer Samsung built in features.
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Google Edition: If someone could hack it so I can customize the quick-settings toggles and add a torch button and fix the "car dock" mode to work like it does in Cyanogen (which is correctly) then I'd still be on it.

galaxyjeff said:
I think the Samsung firmware (as they call it) is the best for our phones currently because there are hardware drivers built in to the factory firmware and I think the Google edition rom does not have those and is just using generic drivers. I noticed the auto brightness doesn't really work at all with the ge rom. And the phone battery died real fast with the ge rom. Not to mention you miss the widgets and some of the nicer Samsung built in features.
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The GE firmware is maintained by Samsung, Google is not maintaining this. The drivers in the rom are the actual Samsung drivers for the GE S4. The GE 4.3 leak that is out there supposedly was leaked by Samsung. The point of the Google Edition software is to be bone stock Android with no manufacturer or carrier software(except drivers). This is why you are not going to see the spiffy camera modes or use of sensors for smart stay and such, Google does not develop this software and Samsung is keeping it stock for GE.
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Google Edition: If someone could hack it so I can customize the quick-settings toggles and add a torch button and fix the "car dock" mode to work like it does in Cyanogen (which is correctly) then I'd still be on it.
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Someone will eventually get some of this stuff working on modified GE roms no doubt. CyanogenMod will eventually be great on this phone as well and I'm hoping the GE firmware will help to that end.

Noobla_Khan said:
The GE firmware is maintained by Samsung, Google is not maintaining this. The drivers in the rom are the actual Samsung drivers for the GE S4. The GE 4.3 leak that is out there supposedly was leaked by Samsung. The point of the Google Edition software is to be bone stock Android with no manufacturer or carrier software(except drivers). This is why you are not going to see the spiffy camera modes or use of sensors for smart stay and such, Google does not develop this software and Samsung is keeping it stock for GE.
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Someone will eventually get some of this stuff working on modified GE roms no doubt. CyanogenMod will eventually be great on this phone as well and I'm hoping the GE firmware will help to that end.
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Yeah but I think Sammy pulled a little bit of a fast one as the GE build still contains the touwiz frameworks. Not sure if they just left em there or if they're still called on.
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Still like stock the most at this point. The s4 comes with 4.2.2 out of the box and works way better with the stock rom.
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I have a Nexus 4 as a 2nd phone and go between that and my S4 often. I love both, but I really have to agree with the OP that the TW Camera app is really nice and having it not working on the GE or any ASOP/AKOP ROMs is a deal breaker for me. I use my phone primarily for calls, camera, and social media (that's it). If the TW camera app gets ported over then I'm definitely making the switch to GE for the S4 because I love the stock Nexus experience.
Also it dives me nuts that 7GB is used by the stock ROM, or should I say that I only get 9GB to use in the internal memory.

dstech said:
I have a Nexus 4 as a 2nd phone and go between that and my S4 often. I love both, but I really have to agree with the OP that the TW Camera app is really nice and having it not working on the GE or any ASOP/AKOP ROMs is a deal breaker for me. I use my phone primarily for calls, camera, and social media (that's it). If the TW camera app gets ported over then I'm definitely making the switch to GE for the S4 because I love the stock Nexus experience.
Also it dives me nuts that 7GB is used by the stock ROM, or should I say that I only get 9GB to use in the internal memory.
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Not totally there yet, but good progress has been made.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=43054051&highlight=camera+apk#post43054051

Noobla_Khan said:
The GE firmware is maintained by Samsung, Google is not maintaining this. The drivers in the rom are the actual Samsung drivers for the GE S4. The GE 4.3 leak that is out there supposedly was leaked by Samsung. The point of the Google Edition software is to be bone stock Android with no manufacturer or carrier software(except drivers). This is why you are not going to see the spiffy camera modes or use of sensors for smart stay and such, Google does not develop this software and Samsung is keeping it stock for GE.
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Someone will eventually get some of this stuff working on modified GE roms no doubt. CyanogenMod will eventually be great on this phone as well and I'm hoping the GE firmware will help to that end.
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I suppose what I was expecting from Samsung in the Google Edition was some sort of hybrid between a non-carrier-branded OS (e.g. no AT&T bloatware whatsoever) and AOSP. I was hoping for the basic Samsung apps - enough to get the hardware "goodies" to work, but optional to remove them entirely if needed, so that users could easily bring it to an AOSP experience if they so desired (perhaps without even root!).
Alas, it appears G.E. is about the equivalent of AOSP with a few drivers and carrots thrown in by Samsung.

Actually, I thought GE was going to design their own OS, man, was I wrong.
you're better off using something like Task650, looks similar to GE, with all the bells and whistles.

Aou said:
I suppose what I was expecting from Samsung in the Google Edition was some sort of hybrid between a non-carrier-branded OS (e.g. no AT&T bloatware whatsoever) and AOSP. I was hoping for the basic Samsung apps - enough to get the hardware "goodies" to work, but optional to remove them entirely if needed, so that users could easily bring it to an AOSP experience if they so desired (perhaps without even root!).
Alas, it appears G.E. is about the equivalent of AOSP with a few drivers and carrots thrown in by Samsung.
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The only carrot would be that in GE 4.2.2 the TW framework is still there for some reason so some Samsung software(camera app) will get ported over and likely work. In GE 4.3 there does not appear to be TW framework.
Until CyanongenMod gets there software nailed down for S4 I am running this:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2305752
With this:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2307355
Running pretty damn nice.

My only gripe is that I find the speaker output really low. I'm constantly missing notifications and calls if I'm not right on my phone.
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I am running MintJelly V3 with kt kernel and this is my current setup:
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I have all of sammie's features without the ugly touchwiz UI + all the unneeded bloat is gone. With nova launcher's aggressive desktop and the crossbreeder mod, it's every bit as responsive and fast as the GE edition. I also have CPA Poke's mms.apk mod for aosp texting and emoji's so you're not really missing anything going with this route.

doug0365 said:
My only gripe is that I find the speaker output really low. I'm constantly missing notifications and calls if I'm not right on my phone.
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That reminds me... It might have been my imagination but it seemed like the display output was dimmer than stock too.
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Noobla_Khan said:
The only carrot would be that in GE 4.2.2 the TW framework is still there for some reason so some Samsung software(camera app) will get ported over and likely work. In GE 4.3 there does not appear to be TW framework.
Until CyanongenMod gets there software nailed down for S4 I am running this:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2305752
With this:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2307355
Running pretty damn nice.
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Thanks for the TrulyClean link. I'll dissect it and see if there's any bloatware that I missed when I manually debloated my own device. I've never felt comfortable running some of these "debloat" scripts, because I'm always afraid that it'll remove something that I actually did want. :/ This is actually the same reason I'm hesitant to try some of these custom, stock-based roms - frequently they make too many modifications from the original ROM, to the point where it's no longer something I desire. In the case of G.E., I tried it because it was at least "stock" on some devices somewhere.
doug0365 said:
My only gripe is that I find the speaker output really low. I'm constantly missing notifications and calls if I'm not right on my phone.
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Have you looked into this yet? http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2293133
Looks like a LOT of work, but might be worth it if it's your only issue with G.E.

My sig says it all. It's just better...
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[Discuss] Which are you more excited about, TW 4.3 or AOSP 4.4?

So with the probability that we'll be getting OTA 4.3 soon and the official 4.4 nightlies bound to start anytime, which are you most looking forward to?
I love the features of TouchWiz, but I've migrated to CyanogenMod since 4.1.2 feels really dated now.
Which features do you like about your respective favorite and why?

32BitWhore said:
So with the probability that we'll be getting OTA 4.3 soon and the official 4.4 nightlies bound to start anytime, which are you most looking forward to?
I love the features of TouchWiz, but I've migrated to CyanogenMod since 4.1.2 feels really dated now.
Which features do you like about your respective favorite and why?
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im exited about touchwiz, yes you can start calling me names now but i like the features on it, i dont care about that customization like in CM i want the features, like how i can wirelessly stream content to my tv without any additional hardware
by the way its a Sony tv not samsung :good:
and a bunch more good stuff

markdapimp said:
im exited about touchwiz, yes you can start calling me names now but i like the features on it, i dont care about that customization like in CM i want the features, like how i can wirelessly stream content to my tv without any additional hardware
by the way its a Sony tv not samsung :good:
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I'm not here to make fun. I think TW has as many benefits as AOSP does, just for different reasons. :highfive:
Just wanted to see what everyone else's thoughts were.

I am running CM 11 and I have enabled ART. I was excited about TW but as of right now I am just happy with how stupid fast this is.
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I have owned my s3 since release. I have ONLY ran AOSP since day 1. Haven't even tried TW hell I might like it.
Will defiantly move to 4.4 once there are cherry picks. I enjoy aosp so to answer your question 4.4!
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I have edited your title to read [Discuss], although the whole AOSP vs., TW subject has been beaten to death
It is just a matter of preference and many of these threads can be found across XDA
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4.3 TW to be honest
Want to see if it boosts Quadrant benchmarks since the CM11 builds certainly haven't

Who cares if the quadrant score isn't higher? As others have said, 4.4 is insanely fast! I don't need a score to tell me that. 4.3 TW may have higher quadrant scores but it won't touch 4.4 AOSP for real life speed. Apps open instantaneously, lag is nonexistent... What are you looking for?
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LLStarks said:
4.3 TW to be honest
Want to see if it boosts Quadrant benchmarks since the CM11 builds certainly haven't
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Ofc TW will bench better since they "cheat" to boost scores in certain benchmarks.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/7384/

Actually Ubuntu Touch is what i wan't the most

I like TW. I have been running carbon since goodness is MIA. I can say I look forward to a new TW. I miss some of the features.

Tough question. If we even see TW 4.3 anymore, I'd say that. I was on the cm11 builds for a few days, and like most aosp roms, it is plagued by camera quality and data issues. Data is fine in good service areas, but low/fringe areas struggle, then it murders your battery. I had to come back to TW for stability. I know cm11 is young, but even some aosp 4.2 and 4.3 roms give me similar results with the camera and data issues. Just my experience.
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kidhudi said:
Actually Ubuntu Touch is what i wan't the most
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+1
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As much as I'd love to use CM11, I can't stand the AOSP camera and that is why I use Touchwiz. CM11 looks so good though, and apparently has something called "ART" which apparently is good, so I will probably flash a CM11 rom to give it a try, but will end up reverting to Touchwiz like always because of the camera.

joshua5683 said:
As much as I'd love to use CM11, I can't stand the AOSP camera and that is why I use Touchwiz. CM11 looks so good though, and apparently has something called "ART" which apparently is good, so I will probably flash a CM11 rom to give it a try, but will end up reverting to Touchwiz like always because of the camera.
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Exactly like me. I don't even like the TW interface, but the camera and data issues always make me come back. I tried CM11 over the weekend, and it was really smooth. ART is pretty cool, too. Makes the apps launch almost instantly, but isn't compatible with all apps. Makes for a lot of troubleshooting and xda reading. What made me switch back to TW was when my girlfriend and I were literally right next to each other using our phones, she had 4G (Galaxy S4) and I had no data. It never came back until we moved to an area with a little better signal.
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joshua5683 said:
As much as I'd love to use CM11, I can't stand the AOSP camera and that is why I use Touchwiz. CM11 looks so good though, and apparently has something called "ART" which apparently is good, so I will probably flash a CM11 rom to give it a try, but will end up reverting to Touchwiz like always because of the camera.
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ART is not part of CM , its a experimental runtime environment that Google has inserted into 4.4 . At this point it's mainly experimental for developers. Many / most current apps don;t support it.
If you don;t like the way TouchWiz looks , you can run any other launcher on a TW ROm and have the best of both worlds, stability and all features working with a different UI appearance.

DigitalMD said:
ART is not part of CM , its a experimental runtime environment that Google has inserted into 4.4 . At this point it's mainly experimental for developers. Many / most current apps don;t support it.
If you don;t like the way TouchWiz looks , you can run any other launcher on a TW ROm and have the best of both worlds, stability and all features working with a different UI appearance.
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Just my .02 but the TW vs. AOSP was never just about appearance. It was more about the amount of "bloatware" on TW roms that some never use or see any need for. Most of the Samsung features and apps fall into the this category.

I just went back to a TW ROM due to way too many random reboots, shoddy data, and mediocre camera quality. It's a love hate relationship, because the only thing I like about TW is the data and camera, while the UI and buttery smoothness of AOSP is what I really enjoy. TW ROMs always lag for me. If only we could have both together...
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Juice3250 said:
Just my .02 but the TW vs. AOSP was never just about appearance. It was more about the amount of "bloatware" on TW roms that some never use or see any need for. Most of the Samsung features and apps fall into the this category.
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Apps you don;t want are easily removed or frozen. They don;t hurt anything just sitting there anyway. The Custom TW ROMs have the useless items removed while retaining the good stuff like All Share and the IR Remote functions. They also add the options to install themes, lots of 4.3 and 4.4 features etc. That's why there's not a lot of excitement about 4.3 or 4.4, we already have most of it.

I am excited for both.
I really wish there was working multiboot for the d2vzw, though. When I'm traveling, I'd rather be on TW because I find battery life and camera quality are much better. Otherwise I'm on AOSP.