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I have a TILT , great phone , for xmas i bought the fuze on premier and got it for free(added a line) , now my dad decided hes staying with sprint i now have two options , return the phone and have the one line removed , or keep it(it is the phone i want to upgrade to) and just convert the lines to family talk and keep him on for an additional 9.99(and give the additional line to a friend that cannot afford cellphone service?).so what do you say should i keep it or return it?

just keep it, "tis the season" right?

my opinion is sell the Fuze, get it unlocked and sell it on ebay for $500 or so, take the money pay the ETF and use the rest toward the Sprint Touch Pro on your dads plan... only if its cheaper to go on sprint with your dad, if its not cheaper per month i say keep the phone and give the line to someone that can atleast afford $10 a month

It is cheaper to go on sprint with my dad buuuuuut i hate sprint , the service isnt as good but the plus side is there plans are cheap data is cheap my only gripe against ATT is i think there prices of their plans could be a little better for example tmobile , tmobile has unlimited data for pdas for 20 and for berries for 20 , i wish att had this id be estatic.Besides we have the entire family on sprint i dont think he needs another , also when i told him my secret xmas plan he told me he was happy with his rumor and that getting the phone isnt a need its more of a want and that he would deal with what he had.So instead of a phone for xmas he has requested computer parts to further prolong the life of his computer.As far as pricing goes to keep the second line it would be
40 for 550 minutes unlimited nights and weekends both lines
25 data for my line
20 unlimited texting (my line)
10 dollars for the additional line
plus tax you figure 100 bucks (My bill is already 100-103 every month) why not?
To save money i could always reduce my texting package or see if i can finagle getting media max unlimited places on my plan(its a *****)
which would be for 35 unlimted data+texting.However media max unlimited is for "normal phones" and not pda phones even though both plans use the same gateway to connect to the internet(medianet not isp) If im not mistaken i could be wrong . So we have 1 for yay and for a maybe if other deciding factors!

wait 30 days and pay the ETF for the new line
Keep the phone and put your SIM in it

Umm, if your older than 18, just put it in your name with att, take over service and smile.

the account is in my name both lines are under me

How do you deactivate phone

I'm selling my verizon tp2 and need to deactivate it before the buyer buys it tomorrow. So I will do a reformat to factory default using the jucy rom I have and then deactivate it. But how do I deactivate the phone?
Thank you.

What do you necessarily man by "deactivate"?
Is there an active line tied to the phone (as in can you make and receive calls on it)? If yes, then you have to call C.S and either terminate your service or swap to another phone.
If there is no current active line tied to the phone (as in you have another phone which is why you're selling the TP2), then just do a hard reset or install a ROM of your choice.

I will still have the line but no phone for awhile. So I need to deactivate the phone but I guess cs can just take it off my account and me do a hard reset. I was wanting to do this myself the deactivate. Can I or do I have to call in and have them do it?

If you have an old phone from verizon, you can go to verizonwireless.com and log into your account and select your number and hit go. Then somewhere around there it says change device and then you put the number under the battery of the old device into that area and then once your done the tp2 should not be activated and your old phone will be activated. Then just hard reset the tp2 and you should be good to go.

Thanks for the help.
I called vzw and they said they won't deactivate it unless I have another phone to put on the line. How stupid. So I have to buy a phone and pit it on my line before I sell it cus then the buyer can't activate it for him. So crud. I didn't wanna buy a phone right now but to sell mine I guess I have to.
I'm not cancelling my line so that's why it's this way. They won't let me have a line with no phone. So hmm. Dunno what phone to get now.

Why would you pay for a plan without a phone. That sounds kinda silly

Purchase a prepaid (I think Target stores have one for $20) and activate the number to that ESN. Then call VZW back and have them suspend the line until you are ready to use it.
Be aware, YOU may face the ETF if you deactivate the data plan! This is not a 100% guarantee, but they are getting really sticky about people selling smartphones and activating old Razors and stuff on a $9.99 add on line instead.

zcarman said:
Purchase a prepaid (I think Target stores have one for $20) and activate the number to that ESN. Then call VZW back and have them suspend the line until you are ready to use it.
Be aware, YOU may face the ETF if you deactivate the data plan! This is not a 100% guarantee, but they are getting really sticky about people selling smartphones and activating old Razors and stuff on a $9.99 add on line instead.
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This is NOT true. You will only face the ETF if you cancel the line in question within the contract timeframe. When agreeing to the contract terms, there is no mention of a required data plan, only that you must maintain voice service on that line.
In fact, when activating a newly purchased smartphone, it is only required to accept the terms and conditions, NOT activate the device. Pressing 2 after agreeing to the terms and conditions skips the device activation and thus the adding of a data plan.

buggs1a said:
Thanks for the help.
I called vzw and they said they won't deactivate it unless I have another phone to put on the line. How stupid. So I have to buy a phone and pit it on my line before I sell it cus then the buyer can't activate it for him. So crud. I didn't wanna buy a phone right now but to sell mine I guess I have to.
I'm not cancelling my line so that's why it's this way. They won't let me have a line with no phone. So hmm. Dunno what phone to get now.
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You dont have an old phone that you had before the TP2?

isdnmatt said:
This is NOT true. You will only face the ETF if you cancel the line in question within the contract timeframe. When agreeing to the contract terms, there is no mention of a required data plan, only that you must maintain voice service on that line.
In fact, when activating a newly purchased smartphone, it is only required to accept the terms and conditions, NOT activate the device. Pressing 2 after agreeing to the terms and conditions skips the device activation and thus the adding of a data plan.
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As of 11.14.2008, all Verizon Wireless customers purchasing a new PDA/Smartphone or Blackberry device are required to carry a minimum $29.99 data plan on the line as a part of their contract. When you agree to the terms of your contract, this is part of the agreement.
You cannot purchase a 3G smartphone without selecting a data plan online now - nor can you purchase one in-store without one. Check the website as you can no longer complete a purchase of the device without selecting a data plan - also, try activating a used device and you will have the same issue - data plan required! It has been a part of the smartphone contract since November of 2008.
http://gizmodo.com/5074915/verizon-forces-30-minimum-data-plans-on-new-smartphones
http://technologizer.com/2008/11/03/verizon-makes-data-plans-mandatory-on-smartphones/
Also, as far as your second statement, it is also wront. You only have 30 days to activate a new device without contacting Verizon Wireless directly. If you do not activate the device within 30 days, a lock is placed on the ESN and your account is charged the full retail price of the device. I know this for a fact, because I faced it when changing from my BlackBerry Storm to my TP2... I actually received a letter stating that, "if the device is not activated within 30 days, your account will be charged the full retail of the device." Also, when I called to ask about terminating my data plan, and rolling to what was the "Connect" plan with a Rogue, Dare and Razor on my 3 lines, they said that I would still have to carry the PDA as that was part of my contract, or I could pay the termination fee (which was $175 at that time) to terminate that contract and start a new one on that line.
See Post #7
http://www.wirelessforums.org/alt-cellular-verizon/does-verizon-require-
upgrades-activated-purchaser-8278.html
Last month, it leaked that VZW was changing their '3G smartphone and 3G media phone' ETF to $350. Not the normal $175 that was associated with them. So that was my reasoning for saying that the person might be facing $350 ETF - instead of the $175.
Basically, VZW got sick of people trying to do the BOGO's on BlackBerry's, Omnia's and Touch Pro's and then terming the second line and selling the phone. They are cracking down on Smartphone's and data plans and we are the ones that need to watch out for it.

Are you making a distinction between accepting the terms and conditions? and activating the device? I know that you HAVE to have a data plan on Smartphones, but the system doesn't even make you activate the phone as long as you accept the terms and conditions.
If you're saying that you HAVE to activate the device within 30 days, that's not correct. All you have to do is ACCEPT the terms and conditions within 30 days to avoid the full retail cost.
Are you aware of the prompts I'm talking about? The first prompt reads the important parts of the customer agreement, like that if you cancel your line, for advanced devices you may have to pay a ETF of $350. Once you accept that, you can see online that it extends your contract for the selected contract term. The 2nd prompt asks you, would you like to activate your new device now? Option 2 is to activate later.
There is no mention of anything you said here:
http://www.verizonwireless.com/b2c/...GREEMENT&jspName=footer/customerAgreement.jsp
There is a difference between activating the device and accepting the new contract terms.

Thanks for writing guys. The reason I wanted to not have a phone on my line after I sell my tp2 was because there are no good enough phones. I wanted tojust wait till better phones came out. Well vzw said no so I had to buy a phone in order to sell mine deactivated. So after some anger on my part because of their unwillingness to help me with the cost of a new phone they finally gave me the droid for 1 year contract cost thus extending my line 1 year. They said they want me to be happy so they did this. With $100 rebate but I got no rebate. They said they don't do instant rebate on the phone which sounds like bull cus my tp2 they did. Well anyway I was ticked telling the lady I spoke to my opinion on the policy and it's my phone. I should be able to do what I want when I want. I should be able to sell and not have a phone on my line for a bit if j want. I was so mad but nice. So they gave me the 1 year cost.

buggs1a said:
Thanks for the help.
I called vzw and they said they won't deactivate it unless I have another phone to put on the line. How stupid. So I have to buy a phone and pit it on my line before I sell it cus then the buyer can't activate it for him. So crud. I didn't wanna buy a phone right now but to sell mine I guess I have to.
I'm not cancelling my line so that's why it's this way. They won't let me have a line with no phone. So hmm. Dunno what phone to get now.
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because removing a phone off a line forces it to become deactivated canceling your contractual agreement to carry over voice services for a set amount of time. with no phone to charge any services on then you are breaking the agreement.
and stand to get an ETF fee even a deact for a few seconds ends the contract.
just buy a prepaid and do a device swap

Horrible Customer Service Experience Tmobile

I want to put as much emphasize on this story as possible because I really want some useful advice. 2 days ago my phone was stolen. Since then I have been trying to get a phone because I run a business and by now 3 days I have lost half a grand easily.
Last month I switched my phone from a 2 year contract to a prepaid month to month plan. At this point tmobile does not offer insurance on the phone any longer. This is important because after paying $140 per month for this phone with insurance, the month I switch to the $50 per month plan it is stolen and tmobile says, "o well".
I said can I buy a new phone? They said no because you still owe us money for switching the phone to prepaid and $150 on the actual phone itself. I did not pay the money to switch because the previous month I had the money the lady on the phone said she would take care of it which I thought meant since I never actually left the company they werent charging me to change plans...not the case after all, but do not find out until my phone is stolen.
I had an HTC Amaze for the record. So I went home and called tmobile. I was on the phone about 25 min before the connection became so bad I asked for them to call me back. They got the phone number and then never called. I had been transferred 7 times by this point. I called back and explained I was very frustrated. They transferred me to a specialist. This lady had me on hold about 20 min. Finally she said we resolved the $200 fee but you still have to pay the $150 on the phone. I paid the $150 and she asked me if I want to buy the new phone now? I said no because I wanted the phone immediately so I would go into the store to buy it.
I got to the store and they said I still owed $200. Even if the $200 fee was resolved he told me I cannot get the discount on the phone I wanted and that I have to pay the full price of $600 because they do not give a discount on their phones more than 1x per 2 year contract! Even on a new line. So I was going to buy a cheap phone and he said he could keep my old number and use this cheap phone until I could buy the phone I wanted later. I told him the Staples accross the street sold phones if I could ask them if they sold me a phone for cheaper they could activate it. He said it would probably only take me 30 sec to go check and to see.
I got back to the tmobile store in about 2 min and he had gone on his lunch break. I waited about another 20 min before another associate helped me who did not have the same deal with a cheap phone he told me about. In stead of $160 total for everything he wanted to charge me $200 for everything. I was there for 2 hours and by this point I am extremely upset and I want to leave tmobile.
This is not my first bad experience with tmobile. I have been unhappy since I joined. There is no complaint department. You have to write out a letter and mail it in. I left out some details of why I am so upset because the bottom line of the story is I am just completely unhappy with tmobile. They treat you like you are nothing without them, and will be fine without your business. This may be true but I have been paying almost $150 per month for almost 9 months and now they want me to pay $200 when I am not even leaving their company, then my $600 phone which is fully paid off is stolen they not only do not help me, but they are rude and go on lunch after he told me to go ahead and check which would only take a matter of seconds. I ran to the store and back and he was on a 30 minute lunch, I am just unhappy with the whole company. I will not even go into details of when I was having trouble with the phone during the previous 9 months.
What I want to know is how do I leave a phone company without paying their fee. Its not right, I am leaving because their service is so unsatisfactory in my area, and now I need help they not only do not help but want to charge me full price to get my line back. If I switch to another company can I still keep my same number? I need the same number for my business and I would much rather not stay with this company. Could anyone recommend any links with information, or which service providers you prefer? Thanks.

[Q] Sprint ETF a few weeks before end of contract

I am going to call or livechat with Sprint at some point today, but would like user input on this before I do.
My contract with Sprint ends on 10/22. I had an individual plan, but switched to my brother's family plan about a year and a half ago.
Based on the ETF chart on Sprint's site, the minimum ETF for a smartphone is $100 with a month left on the contract. When I call to cancel (actually, I need to ask Tmobile to port my number over, and then I suppose I can cancel), it will be less than a month until the end of my contract. I'm going on vacation in a few weeks, and would like a new phone before I leave.
So with three weeks to go before the end of my contract, am I still subject to an ETF? Thanks for your help.

shattered my S4 screen

basically as the title says... I dropped my phone and shattered the screen at the top and bottom corners... it's still operable at the moment but it'll get worse over time. I have an upgrade available on my account that I can use or I could enter the Verizon edge program... I really don't know what i should do. it's obvious the edge program is only useful if I upgrade every ~12 months and I have a tendency to switch phones quite often but with a newborn son I may lose interest in upgrading/getting new phones so much... I'm mostly looking at the HTC M8 only because ive had the galaxy for a while and im ready for something other than touchwiz. use upgrade, pay 250 and sign another 2 year contract or enter Verizon edge program and pay nothing now and be able to upgrade again in a year... opinions?

Edge is regarded by most as a waste of money. you're always going to pay at least half of full retail, which is always more than the 2 yr contract price.
but more importantly, think about this: Maybe Edge is exactly what you want. Maybe you'll do it for the next 5 years and go thru 5 awesome phones. and then maybe then you'll want to save money and switch to another carrier. Hey, you're not on contract. go ahead. but if you get a high end device that's $700 full, and it's been 1 year, you've paid $350 so far, and you're still gonna owe $350 to cut loose, where as if you went the 2 year contract, you maybe for the phone paid $99 (instead of $350 over 12 months), and the ETF with Verizon will only be $230 so basically, you save, after the ETF, around $370. So Edge is great... for people who plan to keep doing edge/jump/whatever every year until they die, never changing carriers. Oh, and if a carrier (Tmobile) offers to buy out your contract and pay your ETF, guess what? an installment plan is not a termination fee. you're on your own, buddy. I'm not trying to sound overly dramatic, but that's the math, man.
finally, Edge is NOT "pay nothing up front". you pay tax on the full price, and you pay the first month's payment up front as well. since you're always billed one month in advance with Verizon, if you didn't pay the first month in store, you next bill would be 2 months worth of payments. Carriers take the first month up front to prevent bill-shock
so that's my feelings towards edge (I used to work in the Cell industry. quit late last year.). As for the M8, this phone rules. why? there's 1000 reviews already out there, so I'm not gonna bother with the why.

Well said .. covers everything.

TidusWulf said:
Edge is regarded by most as a waste of money. you're always going to pay at least half of full retail, which is always more than the 2 yr contract price.
but more importantly, think about this: Maybe Edge is exactly what you want. Maybe you'll do it for the next 5 years and go thru 5 awesome phones. and then maybe then you'll want to save money and switch to another carrier. Hey, you're not on contract. go ahead. but if you get a high end device that's $700 full, and it's been 1 year, you've paid $350 so far, and you're still gonna owe $350 to cut loose, where as if you went the 2 year contract, you maybe for the phone paid $99 (instead of $350 over 12 months), and the ETF with Verizon will only be $230 so basically, you save, after the ETF, around $370. So Edge is great... for people who plan to keep doing edge/jump/whatever every year until they die, never changing carriers. Oh, and if a carrier (Tmobile) offers to buy out your contract and pay your ETF, guess what? an installment plan is not a termination fee. you're on your own, buddy. I'm not trying to sound overly dramatic, but that's the math, man.
finally, Edge is NOT "pay nothing up front". you pay tax on the full price, and you pay the first month's payment up front as well. since you're always billed one month in advance with Verizon, if you didn't pay the first month in store, you next bill would be 2 months worth of payments. Carriers take the first month up front to prevent bill-shock
so that's my feelings towards edge (I used to work in the Cell industry. quit late last year.). As for the M8, this phone rules. why? there's 1000 reviews already out there, so I'm not gonna bother with the why.
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soooooo..... get the m8 but use my available upgrade? lol...

I couldn't be happier with my m8.. I had the s4 previously the only down side is cropping photos with this camera it can be pixely. If you do get the m8 I recommend that you really look at where the speaker grill on top and bottom meet the screen. make sure it's flush this may be just me being picky but I have seen a few that were slightly raised above the screen and it kind of sticks out. Play some music and make sure the sound isn't distorted at a higher volume. I had a couple friends that noticed some static but had to make the trip back for an exchange. There are a number of threads about build quality you can read. sorry to hear your screen shattered on your s4.

Don't know where you get $250 from (unless you're not up for a new device), the M8 is $99 with 2 year contract.

TidusWulf said:
Edge is regarded by most as a waste of money. you're always going to pay at least half of full retail, which is always more than the 2 yr contract price.
but more importantly, think about this: Maybe Edge is exactly what you want. Maybe you'll do it for the next 5 years and go thru 5 awesome phones. and then maybe then you'll want to save money and switch to another carrier. Hey, you're not on contract. go ahead. but if you get a high end device that's $700 full, and it's been 1 year, you've paid $350 so far, and you're still gonna owe $350 to cut loose, where as if you went the 2 year contract, you maybe for the phone paid $99 (instead of $350 over 12 months), and the ETF with Verizon will only be $230 so basically, you save, after the ETF, around $370. So Edge is great... for people who plan to keep doing edge/jump/whatever every year until they die, never changing carriers. Oh, and if a carrier (Tmobile) offers to buy out your contract and pay your ETF, guess what? an installment plan is not a termination fee. you're on your own, buddy. I'm not trying to sound overly dramatic, but that's the math, man.
finally, Edge is NOT "pay nothing up front". you pay tax on the full price, and you pay the first month's payment up front as well. since you're always billed one month in advance with Verizon, if you didn't pay the first month in store, you next bill would be 2 months worth of payments. Carriers take the first month up front to prevent bill-shock
so that's my feelings towards edge (I used to work in the Cell industry. quit late last year.). As for the M8, this phone rules. why? there's 1000 reviews already out there, so I'm not gonna bother with the why.
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I don't know where you get that he is going to pay $350 for the phone on edge the first year.
I just got on the early edge upgrade and they offer a $10/month discount off of the $25/month price.(That is for the 3 gig plan. Discount is steeper on higher data plans) So I am paying $15/month for my M8. I will have paid $180 for the first year. And then I can get a new phone.
BB has them for $199 on 2 year contract.
I know some think I am wasting my money with edge, but I will be able to get a new phone in a year.
Tell me how you can do that cheaper by buying?

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I don't know where you get that he is going to pay $350 for the phone on edge the first year.
I just got on the early edge upgrade and they offer a $10/month discount off of the $25/month price.(That is for the 3 gig plan. Discount is steeper on higher data plans) So I am paying $15/month for my M8. I will have paid $180 for the first year. And then I can get a new phone.
BB has them for $199 on 2 year contract.
I know some think I am wasting my money with edge, but I will be able to get a new phone in a year.
Tell me how you can do that cheaper by buying?
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I'm not disagreeing with you, as EDGE is fine for people who upgrade a lot, and really isn't really that much of a waste of money as some make it seem, but I wouldn't say you are paying $15/mo for the M8. It's more like you're paying $25/mo for it, but you get $10 off per month from the bill itself.
Just taking in to account that they discount your bill by ~$10 (depending on data, again) even on More Everything plans, they're just trying to compensate for the fact that you are not in a contract, and thus, no subsidy.
I'm sure some reps are just saying, "and you get $10 off the monthly payment for being on EDGE" to entice people to sign up. If you were really paying $15/mo, it would take longer for you to pay off the phone... of course, I could be completely wrong, as I don't see the bill in front of me to see the break down, but that's just what I assume the breakdown is.
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I feel like with EDGE it's almost a wash when comparing it with a 2-Year contract, though you can come out slightly ahead with a contract. If you upgrade a lot, and assuming a single line, then you can get a "cheap" phone for the first year, the sell it for ~ $250-300 (or more, depending on device of course), then the next flagship you pick up second hand from someone (saving tax at least). If you keep reselling in $300 range, it's almost the same thing as EDGE (paying off half to "edge up"). With EDGE, however, you save yourself the hassle of re-selling/shipping/etc.

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Don't know where you get $250 from (unless you're not up for a new device), the M8 is $99 with 2 year contract.
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Just saw this on the Verizon site. The store I went to last night while working had a 250 price tag.
I'm still not sure what to do lol... I feel like if I really like a phone and I'm not ready to get rid of it after 12 months and keep it then I'm throwing money away...
The Verizon variant is completely unlockable right? Is there any ota upgrade I should avoid out of the box if I decide to get it?
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I wasn't aware of the $10 EDGE plan discount. I left before that started, I guess.
As for where to buy the phone, Amazon or Costco are generally the best prices, but sometimes bestbuy has a good sale going on. ($100 blue M7 the day it was released), I would never buy a phone from Verizon's corporate store or website.
The Verizon phone is unlocked by default. there is nothing the user needs to do. it's Verizon policy (yay!). As for the OTA upgrade, I'm pretty sure it doesn't matter, from what I've read, but I would just root the phone and flash the rooted update, anyway, to be safe.

TidusWulf said:
I wasn't aware of the $10 EDGE plan discount. I left before that started, I guess.
As for where to buy the phone, Amazon or Costco are generally the best prices, but sometimes bestbuy has a good sale going on. ($100 blue M7 the day it was released), I would never buy a phone from Verizon's corporate store or website.
The Verizon phone is unlocked by default. there is nothing the user needs to do. it's Verizon policy (yay!). As for the OTA upgrade, I'm pretty sure it doesn't matter, from what I've read, but I would just root the phone and flash the rooted update, anyway, to be safe.
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Since when does Verizon release a phone unlocked from factory?! That's shocking. ??
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Powell730 said:
Just saw this on the Verizon site. The store I went to last night while working had a 250 price tag.
I'm still not sure what to do lol... I feel like if I really like a phone and I'm not ready to get rid of it after 12 months and keep it then I'm throwing money away...
The Verizon variant is completely unlockable right? Is there any ota upgrade I should avoid out of the box if I decide to get it?
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I think the M8 should be good for a long time, as most devices are, we just tend to want to upgrade/switch devices when the new one comes out =\
If you don't want to use up the upgrade, have you tried looking on Swappa for a used device?
** Factory unlock meaning for the SIM, you will still need to root and S-OFF on your own. Just to clarify haha

Powell730 said:
Since when does Verizon release a phone unlocked from factory?! That's shocking. ??
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All Verizon LTE phones are factory unlocked when you buy them. Been this way for a couple of years.

about 2 years, now. I think Verizon had to hit a certain population coverage percentage for LTE and it became mandatory by some FCC rule when they purchased the spectrum. sad that other carriers aren't also tied to this.

raichur0xx0rz said:
I think the M8 should be good for a long time, as most devices are, we just tend to want to upgrade/switch devices when the new one comes out =\
If you don't want to use up the upgrade, have you tried looking on Swappa for a used device?
** Factory unlock meaning for the SIM, you will still need to root and S-OFF on your own. Just to clarify haha
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Ohh. Yeah I was referring to the bootloader not sim lol. I actually looked at swappA last night. Good deals but I'd rather use the upgrade as opposed to that site. I really just need to decide if I want to keep the phone for two years or buy it with the intent to upgrade again in ~1 year.
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i believe amazon has it for 99 with 2 year, and OTA is safe, i temprooted -> soff'd; took OTA then xposed/customized.
as for swappa, site is completely legit, have bought and sold on there. just read descriptions/pics and know what you are getting.