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Hello all,
I'm actually considering to give my new Galaxy Tab 10.1 for a Xoom because
of the recent newton ring issue on the screen.
The xoom seems pretty THICK and the display not so good if compared to
the 10.1. But this issue is starting to drive me crazy.
Any suggestion, consideration, opinion?
Regards,
Daemon
Daemon1978 said:
Hello all,
I'm actually considering to give my new Galaxy Tab 10.1 for a Xoom because
of the recent newton ring issue on the screen.
The xoom seems pretty THICK and the display not so good if compared to
the 10.1. But this issue is starting to drive me crazy.
Any suggestion, consideration, opinion?
Regards,
Daemon
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"Hey this samsung sucks and has a crappy screen, someone want to trade their flawless xoom for it?"
Let me know how that works out for you
It sounds pretty bad to me but I think there is a misunderstanding:
I'm not trading it, I'm returning it to the shop.
I'm here to ask for conscious comparisons, considerations, concerns between the 2 devices.
It seems so thick and heavy compared to the galaxy tab, and the screen...
I dunno...asking for a substitution, for a change with xoom or another device or for a refund?
Heeeeelp!
Daemon
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Daemon1978 said:
It sounds pretty bad to me but I think there is a misunderstanding:
I'm not trading it, I'm returning it to the shop.
I'm here to ask for conscious comparisons, considerations, concerns between the 2 devices.
It seems so thick and heavy compared to the galaxy tab, and the screen...
I dunno...asking for a substitution, for a change with xoom or another device or for a refund?
Heeeeelp!
Daemon
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The xooms screen is superior to the gtab 10.1 qhd is higher Res then there amoled crap.
Xooms are thick and heavy, I chose it as the tablet for me for that its sturdy. The galaxy tab 10.1 and icrap 2 seemed light and fragile
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I compared the galaxy tab 10.1 to the xoom display and, frankly speaking, xoom display is far less bright and brilliant than the SGT 10.1 in my opinion.
I really can't find what else I should bet on.
Daemon1978 said:
I compared the galaxy tab 10.1 to the xoom display and, frankly speaking, xoom display is far less bright and brilliant than the SGT 10.1 in my opinion.
I really can't find what else I should bet on.
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That is true, but the qhd has a superior resolution.
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I don't know what you're talking about. Probably the info you have are wrong, because they've both 1280x800, and both are 10.1"...
And the Tab isn't amoled but EPS for high brightness and contrast.
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That is true, but the qhd has a superior resolution.
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Qhd is for phones...
Vanhoud said:
Qhd is for phones...
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Sigh... the dangers of buzz words. We can all thank apple for their marketing use of "retina display", which led Android manufacturers to using terms like "qHD", etc.
qHD is in reference to phone screen resolutions; there is no "word", as far as I know, for the resolutions found on Honeycomb devices like the Tab 10.1 and the Xoom.
Concerning the Xoom and the Tab 10.1, they have the same resolution; although, as the OP has stated, the Tab's screen, in the opinion of many reviewers and users, seems to be more brilliant and good-looking compared to the Xoom's screen. Motorola is no Samsung when it comes to screen technology, so this shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone.
To the OP: I would weigh which is more important to you immediately and long-term. In the long-term, the Tab 10.1 will be the best device, given that it will, eventually, have pretty much the same software as the Xoom. Given the Tab 10.1's superior hardware, it will probably be the better device. As for right now, the Xoom is getting the 3.2 upgrade starting today, with no word on when other devices will get the 3.2 update (although there was no real announcement about the Xoom US Wi-Fi getting 3.2 today... so we could see a universal 3.2 rollout happening across all Honeycomb devices within a few weeks). In the world of Android, updates are no guarantee, however, with a device like the Tab 10.1, you should be good with updates for at LEAST another 12 months... if not more.
If I were you, I would decide what's more important to you rght now: hardware or software. With Samsung, overall, you'll get a better screen and a much thinner and less cumbersome package. With the Xoom, you'll get faster software updates. It's up to you, though, in the end. Happy choosing!
I'm also a tab 10.1 owner considering to grab a Motorola xoom my reasons:
Price. The xoom just dropped to $499.
Storage. xoom 32gb vs tab 10.1 16gb.
Extra ports at no additional cost.
Updates! the xoom will get them first so at least it will get to see ICS. Samsung has been nasty with their updates I'm yet to GB on my galaxy S. I'm running 2.3.4 on my Atrix 4g.
The only cons I could find on the xoom would be weight and screen quality, I dont care about the weight since I have to buy adapters for my tab and that for sure will add more weight to it.
I still have 12 days left on my return policy. I'm still researching pros and cons I still need to find out how the battery life on the xoom compares to the tab 10.1 but I'm 80% sure the tab 10.1 will be going back pretty xoom. lol
It does seem there are two models of XOOMs floating around with different screens. Mine is fantastic, I guess I got lucky and got the good screen.
Battery life is great. I unplug it at 6:30am, do light to moderate use with email, some browsing, words with friends, Pandora, process some payments with Square, use IP Cam viewer a few times a day to see who is at the front door. I will plug it in at night with 30-40% charge left.
On a recent cross country flight, I used it for a few hours on the first leg, and hour during the layover, and five more hours on the second leg, 40 minutes to the hotel (10 hours of travel) and then two hours of email/browsing and had 30% left.
Zac95 said:
The xooms screen is superior to the gtab 10.1 qhd is higher Res then there amoled crap.
Xooms are thick and heavy, I chose it as the tablet for me for that its sturdy. The galaxy tab 10.1 and icrap 2 seemed light and fragile
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LOL QHD on a tablet.
Kid's a noobaki.
Zomg someone made a one letter mistake on the interwebz set phasers to kill
Trolls.....
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xxgmon3yxx said:
I'm also a tab 10.1 owner considering to grab a Motorola xoom my reasons:
Price. The xoom just dropped to $499.
Storage. xoom 32gb vs tab 10.1 16gb.
Extra ports at no additional cost.
Updates! the xoom will get them first so at least it will get to see ICS. Samsung has been nasty with their updates I'm yet to GB on my galaxy S. I'm running 2.3.4 on my Atrix 4g.
The only cons I could find on the xoom would be weight and screen quality, I dont care about the weight since I have to buy adapters for my tab and that for sure will add more weight to it.
I still have 12 days left on my return policy. I'm still researching pros and cons I still need to find out how the battery life on the xoom compares to the tab 10.1 but I'm 80% sure the tab 10.1 will be going back pretty xoom. lol
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I really don't know what's with the crappy screen thing. Look, I'm a painter, and color is very important to me as I use the Xoom as my travelling portfolio.
I want my colors true to life. Oversaturated color is pleasing...I play with it...but it would not show my photos properly. The Xoom (mine at least) has nice, true colors, even at +/- 60% brightness.
Also, it's not heavy when you get used to it...feels sturdy...like a tank.
Hi, I am looking into getting myself an Android tablet next week and had my heart set on a Motorla Xoom, simply because the price (£279) appears to be the best value around for the spec of the tablet.
One thing that is starting to put me off is alot of people are telling me that the Xoom is 'really heavy'. Now i've read the weight compared to other tablets etc but it doesn't really tell me if the weight is a turn off.
I appreciate if you guys could comment on whether you find the weight of the Xoom to be a hindrance, do you worry about dropping it? is it uncomfortable to hold for browsing the net etc.
Where is the extra weight coming from? is there a bigger battery?
many thanks in advance, the alternate option i have at the same price level is the Galaxy Tab 8.9 which is at the opposite end weight wise, but lacking in storage/screen size etc.
cheers
K
Stillkrazy said:
Hi, I am looking into getting myself an Android tablet next week and had my heart set on a Motorla Xoom, simply because the price (£279) appears to be the best value around for the spec of the tablet.
One thing that is starting to put me off is alot of people are telling me that the Xoom is 'really heavy'. Now i've read the weight compared to other tablets etc but it doesn't really tell me if the weight is a turn off.
I appreciate if you guys could comment on whether you find the weight of the Xoom to be a hindrance, do you worry about dropping it? is it uncomfortable to hold for browsing the net etc.
Where is the extra weight coming from? is there a bigger battery?
many thanks in advance, the alternate option i have at the same price level is the Galaxy Tab 8.9 which is at the opposite end weight wise, but lacking in storage/screen size etc.
cheers
K
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Eh - I Love my Xoom, but in answer to your questions....
Yes, the Xoom could be considered "heavy" as compared to some other
tablets.
Xoom - 708g
Galaxy tab 10.1 - 565g
Acer Iconia Tab A500 - 730g
I don't find it heavy but it feels solid for sure. Has mostly a sturdy aluminum body
Maybe not a one handed tablet but I for one appreciate its build quality - a big factor in me buying it.
Its definitely a bit heavy, can't deny it. But i love it and it doesnt put me off it. Plus for that price its by far the best option
Yes it's heavy but I personally like that feel from my units.
The only knock on the weight is you will find it difficult to prop it up without some sort of stand or case that supports it.
But considering it is a google experience device, has an unlocked bootloader and is now cheap as far as tablets go I wold buy another one today if I was buying my first tablet!
The only knock I have with the unit has nothing to do with the unit at all!
I just can't for the life of me understand why the HD Speaker dock has every port but a USB on it! Has Power, and HDMI but no USB sync port!
The only other unit I have reccomended was the Transformer series for those who want the laptop experience but the ability to have the tab experience as well!
Asus did a good job on that design but the locked bootloader was a no go for me!
Other less savy folks it's fine but since your posting on XDA I would assme you want to make it into a coffee maker as well! LOL
thanks very much for the replies!
it seems that owners of the Xoom don't have buyers remorse then with regards to the weight of the product , which is the only drawback i could see.
I also thought it very strange that the dock(s) dont have usb connections, strange decision that from Moto, especially since it appears the dock uses the micro usb port when its lining up.
All in all the Xoom appears to be more than value for money, and with the standard dock (£18! on amazon) and keyboard (£20) at such low prices aswell, i could see them combining to replace my laptop.
thanks again, be on the lookout for a Xoom n00b hitting the forum next weekend
its not heavy for me at all.my sister has a galaxy tab 10.1 and it has very small difference in weight.i love its thickness and weight.
I was in the same boat this tablet is awesome and I am glad I got it good build quality and as easy to play with as my galaxy nexus. I wish the front facing camera quality was a little better other than that this is an amazing tablet and I love it. Battery life is good too even clocked at 1.5 GHZ
Heavy...come on...don't be like the others be a real man!
My weakling of a wife has no complaints...humans adapt...
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I will say the device is heavy but I always have it on my lap etc so it doesn't bother me. You will get use to it.
Now I will also add in that this is by far the best tablet to own period. I've rooted/rom'd a lot of different android tablets for co-workers and I can say that NONE have as good of a development community as the Xoom does. Fast roms, kernels, backtrack 5, ubuntu, even the USB "camera" adapter can be used for a keyboard/mouse/USB WiFi, USB thumb drives etc. Basically anything with a USB port will run on this thing.
Xoom for life dude.
I also had the same questions before I got my xoom... It's a great device to have and very customizable.
I'm convinced, picking mine up next Saturday
Thanks everyone.
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I'm convinced, picking mine up next Saturday
Thanks everyone.
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Good choice!
Yep they are good! - I thought I was a bit late getting one with all the new tablets coming out, but the Xoom does everything I want... as far as weight, it is a little heavy but it doesnt bother me... my mrs and my (almost) 3 year old son use it no problem without a grumble...
Still wondering wether to root it or not... not sure what it would actually gain me
thanks everyone, collected my Xoom from Argos today
great so far.
Should i have registered the same google account as my galaxy s? i didnt, i used a different one, but wondering if i should have used my main one.
thanks
K
If you use the same account, you can purchase apps once and use on both devices.
Stillkrazy said:
I'm convinced, picking mine up next Saturday
Thanks everyone.
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Geeba said:
Yep they are good! - I thought I was a bit late getting one with all the new tablets coming out, but the Xoom does everything I want... as far as weight, it is a little heavy but it doesnt bother me... my mrs and my (almost) 3 year old son use it no problem without a grumble...
Still wondering wether to root it or not... not sure what it would actually gain me
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Well, two days in and I've flashed the US from and been upgraded to ICS and I'm absolutely thrilled with the Xoom!
I need to find some good tablet apps though, and looks like I'll have to root it to get the BBC apps (should have realised that, lol)
I've not touched my Galaxy S since I got the Xoom.
For anyone reading later, I would say that, yes, the Xoom is on the heavy side, but the build quality and battery life easy make the trade off worth it. Still can't believe I only paid £279.
From a development point of view, the Xoom is second to none. I've had more fun developing on the Xoom than any other android device ever. Also, running ICS and a bleeding edge. 39 kernel, you have access to mobile technology nobody else has yet, such as WifiDirect. Truly, the xoom is at the forefront of android development, and Eos will continue to push the boundaries of Android reality.
Hmm sounds tempting
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Hey all
Im looking to venture into the world of tablets but with so many being available its all a little confusing! I like the look of the Nexus 7 for its power and incredibly good price but for me 7 inches is just a bigger phone I want something with the price tag and power (near enough) of a Nexus but with something like a 10 inch screen to make it feel like an actual tablet. Im only 16 with a part time job so i cant go for something like the Asus Infinity even though i would love that
So start shouting out your tablet choices people!
Your choices are quite limited; 10 inchers are usually at least $400.
I would recommend watching slickdeals.net for some reburbished deal if you really need one. In truth, however, the difference between 7 inch and phone is already quite significant and it makes the most sense for your price point (short of a "cheap" brand like archos).
i think go for the ipad if you like a bigger screen than nexus 7 ipad is also have the speed.
I love the size of my nexus7 so far there's not much I don't love about this tablet!I hear they are releasing a 10 inch soon so you could wait for that but I don't know if it will be tegra3 or Qualcomm. Again this tablet rocks! Rooted w/ stock ROM cwm recovery & trinity kernel.
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MacGyver Jack said:
Hey all
Im looking to venture into the world of tablets but with so many being available its all a little confusing! I like the look of the Nexus 7 for its power and incredibly good price but for me 7 inches is just a bigger phone I want something with the price tag and power (near enough) of a Nexus but with something like a 10 inch screen to make it feel like an actual tablet. Im only 16 with a part time job so i cant go for something like the Asus Infinity even though i would love that
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I would recommend the Toshiba Excite 10 inch. It has HDMI out with an SD card slot. That's the tablet I would get if I wanted one.
Another good option is the Asus as you mentioned. You can look up the Samsung Galaxy Note Tablet. It comes with a stylus and I think it has app that directly support it. You can't go wrong with any of these. Just pick the features that you want and get it. I would suggest going to your local electronics store and trying them out to see which one you like as each of them have customized their Android OS with their custom apps and settings. All of the mentioned above have quad cores so you can't go wrong with that.
If you're looking for smaller/cheaper then you can go with the Samsung Galaxy Player 5. Its $200 and its what I use for my "tablet" experience. Its smaller and portable than the above but that may not be what you want. Note that this is a single core so you're sacrificing power and size but you gain portability.
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i think go for the ipad if you like a bigger screen than nexus 7 ipad is also have the speed.
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iPad also has a pricetag triple the Nexus 7. He said he doesn't really have a lot of money since he's only 16 with a part time job.
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Thanks for all the help so far!
I dont mind saving up for the more pricey tablets because im currently 4 weeks into my summer holidays and the rest of my work has to fit around my A-Levels.
A 10inch Nexus would be great but the realease date could be a while yet!
I wont be taking the tablet out the house much only to go away to my Caravan every weekend
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iPad also has a pricetag triple the Nexus 7. He said he doesn't really have a lot of money since he's only 16 with a part time job.
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And the reason I use XDA is to not have to hear of Apple and their products... It's one of my principles not to ever use an Apple product
Nexus7:thumbup::
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If you are desperate for a larger tablet then you could pick up something like the Galaxy Tab. It's a bit older than the Nexus, but stil pretty decent, especially if you run ICS.
It's on for sale for £279 at carphone warehouse www.carphonewarehouse.com/mobiles/m..._WIFI_16GB/HANDSET?portal=GLSHOP&promo=GLSHOP
Otherwise I'd recommend a Nexus 7.
Twodads said:
If you are desperate for a larger tablet then you could pick up something like the Galaxy Tab. It's a bit older than the Nexus, but stil pretty decent, especially if you run ICS.
It's on for sale for £279 at carphone warehouse www.carphonewarehouse.com/mobiles/m..._WIFI_16GB/HANDSET?portal=GLSHOP&promo=GLSHOP
Otherwise I'd recommend a Nexus 7.
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Im not incredibly desperate, Just want to replace my crappy Acer Extensa 5235
I think i might wait for the Nexus 10 but the Galaxy note 10.1 is catching my eye although its aimed at artists and creative people ( I cant draw to save my life )
I have the Samsung Galaxy Tab 2 10.1, and i have been loving it so far! I haven't even needed to root it, i'm still stock and its quick with a beautiful screen! I got the 16GB WiFi version with a 32GB MicroSD b/c i watch TV on it while i'm at work. The battery life is just AMAZING! I don't think i've ever gone lower than 50%! And i watch shows and movies for HOURS! There is some noticeable lag every now and again, but its usually pretty peppy! And it comes stock with ICS, they have even rolled out 2 updates since i bought mine! Thats rare! No word yet on if it will get Jelly Bean, but it doesn't matter to me, i love this tabby! Good luck on your hunt!
A good tablet would be the Toshiba excite 10. It has a nice screen, tegra 3, several ports, and very good speakers. The best part is that it's only $300 at Costco.
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Do u think it is worth to buy the new edition of note 10.1
Or u just satisfied from ur currently one
For me i will buy the new one soon for just the screen resolution i hate the old note 10.1's screen
Not worth it to me.. I'll stay with this one and just get a smaller tablet.. maybe the new nexus 7.. I will be able to get all the newest updates..
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I most likely will be getting one. I just hate where they placed the speakers on the new one.
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I think I'll hold out for the Note 12.
I like the upgraded screen but unless they come out with some awesome accessories or a killer price especially on a 64gb model there's really not enough to make me want to ditch my Note 8013 for the 2014 with side fire speakers, fake leather back, shinny chrome bezel and a mechanical home button.
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Something about upgrading a tablet every year doesn't feel right for me for whatever reason. The only thing I really envy that's in the new Note 10.1 is the screen.
- Speaker placement is strange and imho a loss, but better the side than the back.
- Higher res screen is much needed and definitely a win. With the SD800 power consumption specs and low power high res screen and lighter but more powerful battery you should actually gain battery time.
- No Transformer like dock is a shame but there are plenty of keyboards for a tab and most likely a samsung approved dock as well just like the first model
- It may be to early to call NFC yet as the tech bloggers dont always do the best at reporting features but if it does not have it im sad as NFC has potential to solve some annoying bluetooth problems.
- Physical home button and soft back and recent buttons can be looked at as a win as it provides more screen room.
- The new SOC has enough power to run the new higher resolution screen and still give a tremendous boost over the previous version
- The new 2014 model provides close to double the power of the previous version and gives options that we have never seen before. Overall imho the tablet is pure success with a few bad ideas. If this tablet doesn't do it for you...nothing coming this year will.
So yea I think it's more than worthy of an upgrade. All that said though I'm still deciding if I will go note 10.1 2014 or transformer pad tf701. Both are phenomenal on paper, with the note coming in a bit more powerful imho but I'm just so darned attracted to the dock on transformer lol.
What does everyone think about the nexus 10 2? I didn't even know one was coming out until I looked in the nexus forums lol. Price is said to be$299.
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It's a buy for me. I am selling both my Nexus 10 and Note 10.1 and replacing with the 2014 model.
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I'm more then likely in since im currently selling my Note tablet on eBay.
My main motivation is the upgraded screen resolution, but I'm waiting for reviews and battery life stats first.
Until then I have my Nexus 2013 and Note 2 to keep me distracted from the world.
I don't have the urge to get it. I just got this one about 2 weeks ago.
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And one more thing
I think its hard to get softwares upgrades from the new one as air command and the other stuff
And if the developers developed it and got it from the custom roms we will face alot of errors because the 2014 differ from the old one in hardware
Such as the buttons and i think the s pen also
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- Speaker placement is strange and imho a loss, but better the side than the back.
- Higher res screen is much needed and definitely a win. With the SD800 power consumption specs and low power high res screen and lighter but more powerful battery you should actually gain battery time.
- No Transformer like dock is a shame but there are plenty of keyboards for a tab and most likely a samsung approved dock as well just like the first model
- It may be to early to call NFC yet as the tech bloggers dont always do the best at reporting features but if it does not have it im sad as NFC has potential to solve some annoying bluetooth problems.
- Physical home button and soft back and recent buttons can be looked at as a win as it provides more screen room.
- The new SOC has enough power to run the new higher resolution screen and still give a tremendous boost over the previous version
- The new 2014 model provides close to double the power of the previous version and gives options that we have never seen before. Overall imho the tablet is pure success with a few bad ideas. If this tablet doesn't do it for you...nothing coming this year will.
So yea I think it's more than worthy of an upgrade. All that said though I'm still deciding if I will go note 10.1 2014 or transformer pad tf701. Both are phenomenal on paper, with the note coming in a bit more powerful imho but I'm just so darned attracted to the dock on transformer lol.
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It's a nice and fair summary. Whatever the the shortcoming(s) of the new one might be, I'm sure the new screen resolution and the increased functionality of the S-Pen will make all that go away after a few days of use. When I first compared a Nexus 10 and a Note 10.1 side by side in a store, my first thought was "why can't we have this gorgeous screen with an S-Pen?". Now, we have it!
I don't know why people compare the two, the note imp is in a class of its own especially for people that that full advantage of the spen
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I wont be getting my next tablet until i see features that really impress me, plus some features of our notes or improved such as multi window, battery, performance etc etc
Plus, its gotta be in the market a bit to confirm that the tablet "does what it says on the tin".......in the end, im quite satified with my tab for now.......but will always be looking none the less
if asus gives us the TF701 with an S-pen and multitasking, samsung will literally have no chance.
as of right now, the dock is what's saving the transformers. people just loveeeeee their docks.
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I have a 8013 that has been a great tablet, I am thinking of buying something better and would like some suggestions. I not brand specific, just wanting something faster and better resolution. Please reply with some ideas for me.
alan081954 said:
I have a 8013 that has been a great tablet, I am thinking of buying something better and would like some suggestions. I not brand specific, just wanting something faster and better resolution. Please reply with some ideas for me.
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The tab s is nearly similar to the tab s2 with its specs. I have tha tab s 8.4 and it just rocks. Its light and thin and has good performance
I have an 8013 as well. I am currently using it as my desktop tablet at work. At home I have a tab pro 8.4 and my wife has a tab s 8.4. Both are awesome tablets. You can't go wrong with either one. The S is marginally better than the pro but you should be abnl to get the pro much cheaper. I would get which ever one you can get the best deal on. My newest toy is a Nexus 9. It has awesome front facing speakers like the 8013. It is somewhat unique in that it has a 4:3 screen ratio like the iPad does. It is worth looking at as well. The advantage to a Nexus tablet is guaranteed updates to the latest version of Android. Samsungs are iffy when it comes to updates. I tend to buy used and got each of the above mentioned tablets for about 200 each on craigslist.
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