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HTC - STOP False advertising petition...

Firstly, let me say that this is not a class action type petition.
This is a discussion and petition asking the Manufacturer HTC to honor it's advertised position, made by CEO Peter Chou on May 26th, promising to ship all future devices with unlocked bootloaders.
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You can see the statement yourself at: http://www.facebook.com/HTC/posts/10150307320018084
I don't want to add to the legal troubles of my favorite manufacturer, I just want them to correct their mistake, unlock the bootloaders as promised & apologize for what I am sure was an inadvertent oversight that will be corrected in a few hours or a day or two.
You simply can't make advertisement directed toward increasing sales off new devices to developers & power users (the folks that review and fix bugs for you freely in many cases) and then break that bond, that trust built over the last decade.
Also, don't even try to say that you aren't using these social media outlets to market and advertise. I have been getting your posts and tweets, advertising your devices all week.
While your actions are certainly in violation of numerous trade regulations and laws, I don't care at this point. I don't want to make a name litigating over these issues, I just want the manufacturer that I support, to keep their word and market/advertise their devices in a fair and ethical manner. I am not participating in the boycott thread & I'm not asking people to stop buying HTC products. Just the opposite in fact. I want you to be successful. But I also want you to honor our relationship and keep your promises.
Please, take notice and make this right.
I ask all XDA members to support HTC in doing the right thing & pledge your support by joining this discussion and adding your name to this petition.
We, the members engaged in discussion in this forum thread ask HTC to comply with their advertised & promised claim of May 26th, that all future devices would have unlocked bootloaders.
We appreciate your timely rectification of this issue HTC.
Sincerely,
The above & below named participants.
EDIT: Please also sign the petition here: http://www.groubal.com/htc-vivid-has-locked-bootloader-contrary-to-statements-by-the-company/
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I agree with all the above. Tired of this crap, didn't expect it from HTC. HTC phones have always had the greatest development, but that won't carry on if they continue to lie and do this.

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slapshot30 said:
I agree with all the above. Tired of this crap, didn't expect it from HTC. HTC phones have always had the greatest development, but that won't carry on if they continue to lie and do this.
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Lying about S-LCD displays is another reason I avoid HTC phones. HTC used to be acceptably decent. Now they seem to lie their rears off.

Although I am a die hard Samsung user, I do support your cause for HTC to have unlocked bootloaders now and in the future. What they do could affect how other manufacturers treat their devices. I wouldn't want to see the same thing happen to Samsung phones either. Plus this also stifles development by the independent community as well.

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I would like my bootloader unlocked plus an ice cream sandwich for the wait. Thanks.

HTC, please stop lying to us

I'm not an HTC guy but i agree this is damaging for the entire community and i'm sure there are HTC guys on here so they can't play dumb

i am a HTC fan.
i agree with OP
LYING MAKE ME MAD, HULK SMASH!

Agree with OP..
Thats the only reason why i never bought VIVID...

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Wouldn't mind getting htc products. This I why I don't.
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I posted on Twitter and Facebook. Returning my Vivid and never buying HTC ever again if unlock doesn't come this week :-(
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Add me to the ranks who support this. I also posted this to a thread I started 2wks ago on the htc forums.
http://community.htc.com/na/htc-forums/android/f/182/t/14430.aspx
Posted to FB and G+ as well as Public w/ request to reshare!

I fully support that HTC should honor their promise, and unlock HTC bootloader. See my posts on the HTC Vivid forums.

I fully support this petition.
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I've always went with HTC phones, and I was considering going with another manufacturer until HTC made the bootloader statement. Now that I see they are not true to their own words, and I can't even trust a statement made by the CEO, how can I continue to trust your devices or quality.
I personally make decisions in my company regarding the devices we use in the field, and have mostly chosen HTC phones to meet our needs. If you continue this line of blame-shifting back and forth between it's AT&T's fault and AT&T says it's your problem, (we all know better considering other devices from other manufacturers are unlocked or unlockable on AT&T) you are going to loose a large contract, as I will have to find another manufacturer, and possibly another service provider.

adelmundo said:
Although I am a die hard Samsung user, I do support your cause for HTC to have unlocked bootloaders now and in the future. What they do could affect how other manufacturers treat their devices. I wouldn't want to see the same thing happen to Samsung phones either. Plus this also stifles development by the independent community as well.
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Hav to agree with you htc shouldn't be lying cauz i don't want them to be an example for Samsung.

+100 im shocked the evo 3d owners got them to unlock the bootloader. And they posted that statement when we all told them how angry we were they locked our bootloader. I cant believe tuey flat out lied about unlocking future devices tisk tisk.

It is not HTC that is locking the bootloaders. It is the carriers. They lock them because people brick their phone and claim them under warranty which costs the carrier a fortune. There is a legal battle over this currently.
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HTC CEO and president Peter Chou promised that all HTC Android devices launched after September 2011 can have their bootloaders unlocked.
Currently this is not the case with the AT&T One X variant.
The only thing they respond to is bad PR and social media harassment. We're passionate about our phones and they should know it.
https://www.facebook.com/ATT
-Comment on everything that they post. Demanding the bootloader be unlocked. Hit the like button on every other post about it
HTC North American HQ - 425-679-5318
[*]AT&T Customer Service: 611. Ask to speak to a supervisor.
-They will transfer you if you are persistent.
http://forums.att.com/t5/AT-T-Wireless-Community/ct-p/attwireless
-Create threads asking when the bootloader will be unlocked. Comment in these threads
https://eclub.htc.com/us/community
-Create threads asking when the bootloader will be unlocked. Comment in these threads
Twitter!
https://twitter.com/#!/ATT
RETWEET THIS: http://twitter.com/#!/PaulOBrien/sta...11794947203072
File a Better Business Bureau complaint
bbb.org
This takes only 5 minutes to complete and actually makes a difference.
Having wide exposure of this issue gets the attention of AT&T very quickly.
EDIT: http://www.theverge.com/2012/5/4/3000175/at-t-htc-one-x-bootloader-official-unlock
Awesome job guys! That was fast!
Every little bit helps. The more active we are the faster this will be resolved. I'll be *****ing night and day until it's unlocked.
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The news is spreading:
Engadget
http://www.engadget.com/2012/05/05/att-htc-one-x-locked-bootloader/
Tech Crunch
http://techcrunch.com/2012/05/05/htc-wont-hook-up-one-x-owners-with-bootloader-unlock/
Phonedog
http://www.phonedog.com/2012/05/05/...advantage-of-official-bootloader-unlock-tool/
GSMArena
http://www.gsmarena.com/at_t_htc_one_x_not_part_of_htcs_bootloader_unlocking_program-news-4210.php
Android Police
http://www.androidpolice.com/2012/0...tes-restrictions-as-reason-for-cold-shoulder/
Slashgear
http://www.slashgear.com/htc-blames-att-for-one-x-bootloader-lock-05226366/
The Verge
http://www.theverge.com/2012/5/4/3000175/at-t-htc-one-x-bootloader-official-unlock
The Chronicle
http://www.chronline.com/life/tech/article_77424808-837f-5ffa-b33b-3b08b9f840f2.html
Phandroid
http://phandroid.com/2012/05/03/att...-locked-up-other-variants-get-off-scott-free/
HTCPedia
http://htcpedia.com/news/ATTs-HTC-One-XL-Bootloader-Failure.html?l_page=1&p_page=1
MobileSyrup
http://mobilesyrup.com/2012/05/02/i...bootloader-unlock-tool-on-one-series-devices/
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Maroon Mushroom said:
Sorry guys.
Ordered my Galaxy Nexus today.
I'm willing to downgrade my hardware to support open source, unlocked bootloader, and development. I feel that by not returning this phone - I am playing a part in supporting locked bootloaders.
I will continue to support this movement, update this thread, pester AT&T, and will probably be back should the bootloader be unlocked when my girlfriend needs a phone.
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Im down for the cause

Commented on their FB page. After hearing what AT&T's CEO said today about unlimited plans and iMessage, I really can't stand AT&T now.

Lets get this done people!!!!!! I hope this flippin works!!!!!!!

Been commenting under "Robert Dole" on the facebook page since last night on everything.
I also have brought this to the attention of two editors (Myriam, Terrence) on Engadget directly via comments and podcasts chats on thier site. I also 'tipped' Engadget about it as well. Hopefully they will run a story on it.
EDIT: The more people that help, even just something as a simple post on att's FB page the better. Strength in numbers! Get everyone involved even if they don't have a One X!

just found this article :
http://androidcommunity.com/atts-htc-one-x-bootloader-locked-for-now-20120504/

Let's get the ball running everyone so this issue can be resolved ASAP I'm down also for this I can't wait to pick this phone up Sunday
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I'm joining in as well. Just spammed their page a bit. E-mailed HTC on the matter and I've been looking up information all day.

It won't be coming ever.
http://www.theverge.com/2012/5/4/30...-unlock?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
Save your minutes/bandwidth.

I'm going to bomb that recent posts section on their page so it just says
LET US UNLOCK OUR BOOTLOADERS
5 times.

rohan32 said:
It won't be coming ever.
http://www.theverge.com/2012/5/4/30...-unlock?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
Save your minutes/bandwidth.
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They said this about the Vivid. I'm sure HTC One X will be the same.

rohan32 said:
It won't be coming ever.
http://www.theverge.com/2012/5/4/30...-unlock?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
Save your minutes/bandwidth.
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Not true. This article doesn't prove anything. Nothing changed. AT&T is blocking the unlock. At least until they cave in with all the pressure.
This is the exposure I wanted.

Maroon Mushroom said:
Not true. This article doesn't prove anything. Nothing changed. AT&T is blocking the unlock. At least until they cave in with all the pressure.
This is the exposure I wanted.
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Not sure what you mean.
AT&T says it wont be coming.
They might reconsider but it isn't going to be released "very soon" as some were saying before. It will take some serious threatening to AT&T...

rohan32 said:
It won't be coming ever.
http://www.theverge.com/2012/5/4/30...-unlock?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
Save your minutes/bandwidth.
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We knew this already (att was the cause) but this is great news for us. The more coverage this gets the better. We want it to be toxic to at&t's PR so they are forced to address the issue! Hopefully more top tier tech blogs will cover this too!

rohan32 said:
Not sure what you mean.
AT&T says it wont be coming.
They might reconsider but it isn't going to be released "very soon" as some were saying before. It will take some serious threatening to AT&T...
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All AT&T cares about is PR. They will cave in. The carriers always do.
Exposure like from The Verge is very helpful.

Maroon Mushroom said:
All AT&T cares about is PR. They will cave in. The carriers always do.
Exposure like from The Verge is very helpful.
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I have also been posting on Facebook. We need to keep spamming pages like Facebook and their Forums so that we can get the employees' attention. That will lead to them telling their supervisors. Then their managers. Then to corporate. Then to their Engineering/Dev team. THEN SUCCESS.
SPAM THEIR FACEBOOK WALL. LEAVE NO REST.

pl0xn00b said:
I have also been posting on Facebook. We need to keep spamming pages like Facebook and their Forums so that we can get the employees' attention. That will lead to them telling their supervisors. Then their managers. Then to corporate. Then to their Engineering/Dev team. THEN SUCCESS.
SPAM THEIR FACEBOOK WALL. LEAVE NO REST.
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BLOOD WILL BE SPILLED.
After this we're going to torch local AT&T stores to the ground.
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pl0xn00b said:
I have also been posting on Facebook. We need to keep spamming pages like Facebook and their Forums so that we can get the employees' attention. That will lead to them telling their supervisors. Then their managers. Then to corporate. Then to their Engineering/Dev team. THEN SUCCESS.
SPAM THEIR FACEBOOK WALL. LEAVE NO REST.
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And spread the word as much as you can, get everyone you can to pitch in. Strength in numbers will free the One!

voluptuary said:
And spread the word as much as you can, get everyone you can to pitch in. Strength in numbers will free the One!
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Seriously, i had this problem with my Atrix and my Droid 3. It's actually stupid. I cannot believe At&t would cripple their own device. and what's worse, is that they are not fixing their mistakes. how does this affect them in any way? it doesn't! its absolutely a stupid move on their part. i hope that they understand that they are shooing away customers.

Can you get in trouble for repeatedly posing on their fb page? I see it let's you post on their wall not just comment on posts.
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So let's overwhelm them with #'s

We need to start an "S3 Unlock " campaign on Verizon's and Samsung's facebook and email to make our dissatisfaction more visible. Will this have any impact, I don't know, but it's something easily done with almost no effort that the general consumer and non-development community will easily see.
This has worked in the past with the HTC EVO 3D. If the community can get HTC, a million dollar company to notice, maybe it will work with a billion dollar company.
Why should we send to Samsung when it's Verizon that locked the bootloader? The reason for it is more then likely Verizon will try to pawn it off on Samsung; by saying they locked it or they have to build the unlock tool. So, before this becomes a “blame game” We don't care who is responsible, we just want “Developmental Equality” for all S3's
So as Bob Marley said: “Get up, stand up: stand up for your rights!” and take 3 minutes out of your day to help out the community.
What needs to be done:
Post "S3 Unlock or WE Walk" on Verizon's and Samsung's facebook. This would have a greater impact if it were posted everyday! “Don't let them forget about us!”
Email:
Under subject put: “S3 Unlock Bootloader” and in the body put “S3 Unlock ”
Samsung Contact:
https://www.facebook.com/SamsungUSA
Y.K. Kim
president and Chief Executive Officer of Samsung Electronics America
[email protected]
Dale Sohn
President at Samsung Telecommunications America
[email protected]
https://contactus.samsung.com/custo...estionGeneral.jsp?SITE_ID=591&PROD_ID=G303850
Verizon Contact:
https://www.facebook.com/verizon
Daniel S. Mead
President and CEO
[email protected]
Marni Walden
Executive Vice President and Chief Operating Officer
[email protected]

I understand what you want to do but alot of this is already being done by alot if angry customers. Verizon doesnt seem to care. All they did was blame Samsung.

Doesn't it make more sense that hitting them with a mass amount of posts and emails would do more than maybe 20 emails a day. It would get more attention if even just 1% of Verizon's customers were to flood them with posts and emails..this would be in the numbers up to 250,000 emails and facebook posts. They could still ignore it, but this would create more negative publicity. This is also why I am asking everyone to flood Samsung as well, eventually hopefully one of them will correct the issue. In time and numbers they will get tired of it and deal with us. Have you sent an email to Verizon or posted on their facebook?

Verizon might not admit that they are wrong, but any company is highly concerned about their public image. Facebook and Twitter can be a valuable tool to fight corporate arrogance.
One more thing to do... everyone should write a review on Verizon's web site slamming the locked bootloader, with a suggestion that this is a great phone on any provider but Verizon. I just clicked on the "Read reviews" link for the 32GB blue S3, and 4 out of the first ten reviews mentioned the locked bootloader.
We might never get them to unlock this particular bootloader, but at a minimum it would make them think twice about the future of locked bootloaders.
Verizon is betting on our apathy, so I applaud anyone who is willing to spend a bit of time keeping the heat on Verizon.

If you're serious about trying to piss them off, create an Anti Samsung Facebook page and / or Twitter Account basically blasting them for ****ty things they do, such as slow updates to products, locked bootloader, etc.
I once complained on Twitter about my GT 10.1 and didn't even direct it to them and I had their twitter person contact me and ask me if there was something they could do to help me.
They don't like knowing people are badmouthing them on social networks.
As for Verizon, they're used to people talking smack on them and don't seem the slightest bit phased.

If you're not part of the solution...you're part of the problem

I mean I guess anything's worth a try...but I don't think Verizon cares.

topmetsfan said:
I mean I guess anything's worth a try...but I don't think Verizon cares.
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They seem to hate me. Emailed the CEO about the bootloader, got the standard letter in the mail about "network security" from some high chair rep. His problem is he said "feel free to call with questions" in the letter, as well as his number. I have called him 5 times in the past 2 weeks, always leaving a message. I have still yet to get a call back. I wont stop til I can voice my opinion and get some answers.

I've been tweeting and posting on their facebook pages that I am unhappy about the locked boot loader and spyware on the phone.
It of course won't do any good, but maybe if other non dev/hacker types see the posts they will inquire or think twice.

dvaderx said:
I've been tweeting and posting on their facebook pages that I am unhappy about the locked boot loader and spyware on the phone.
It of course won't do any good, but maybe if other non dev/hacker types see the posts they will inquire or think twice.
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But other non dev/hacker types won't understand what a bootloader is and what the difference is between a locked and unlocked.

fluxvalve said:
Verizon might not admit that they are wrong, but any company is highly concerned about their public image. Facebook and Twitter can be a valuable tool to fight corporate arrogance.
One more thing to do... everyone should write a review on Verizon's web site slamming the locked bootloader, with a suggestion that this is a great phone on any provider but Verizon. I just clicked on the "Read reviews" link for the 32GB blue S3, and 4 out of the first ten reviews mentioned the locked bootloader.
We might never get them to unlock this particular bootloader, but at a minimum it would make them think twice about the future of locked bootloaders.
Verizon is betting on our apathy, so I applaud anyone who is willing to spend a bit of time keeping the heat on Verizon.
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Why they even try to lock them I don't even get. It just seems like a waste of their time and resources. Just look at the s3, it was basically cracked before release and we already can do just about anything we want on it. It makes them look bad and does nothing and it makes even less sense when they have unlocked phones on their network. Bunch of dummies if you ask me
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They seem to hate me. Emailed the CEO about the bootloader, got the standard letter in the mail about "network security" from some high chair rep. His problem is he said "feel free to call with questions" in the letter, as well as his number. I have called him 5 times in the past 2 weeks, always leaving a message. I have still yet to get a call back. I wont stop til I can voice my opinion and get some answers.
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When you do, If you do, point out they sell unlocked phones on their network and that virtually every phone they sell has been hacked and its just a waste of their time.

piiman said:
Why they even try to lock them I don't even get. It just seems like a waste of their time and resources. Just look at the s3, it was basically cracked before release and we already can do just about anything we want on it. It makes them look bad and does nothing and it makes even less sense when they have unlocked phones on their network. Bunch of dummies if you ask me
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If my x2 bootloader wasn't locked down like it is, ii wouldn't have purchased a new phone. Hardware is staying viable for a longer time than they would like, but, by locking down the software used they can obsolete your device long before the hardware is obsolete. Those who are savvy enough to hack it and put what they want on it also upgrade quick to the newest hardware for the wow factor and vzw knows this. Locking the device down prevents people like me from upgrading software easily, thus forcing a hardware upgrade- to achieve my desire for a software upgrade.
It's quite simple really. Phone sales. If any Joe-Schmoe could upgrade their droidx2 to jellybean, they wouldn't see that phone sale. No phone sale = no new 2 year contract.
They don't market the hardware specs at all like they market the OS.
It must be worth it to them to lock it down and hope to see a device sold. Henry Ford said he'd give the cars away for free if he can be the only one to sell the parts. Vzw has aligned themselves closely with this mentality.
Sent from my locked Verizon s3

ancashion said:
If my x2 bootloader wasn't locked down like it is, ii wouldn't have purchased a new phone. Hardware is staying viable for a longer time than they would like, but, by locking down the software used they can obsolete your device long before the hardware is obsolete. Those who are savvy enough to hack it and put what they want on it also upgrade quick to the newest hardware for the wow factor and vzw knows this. Locking the device down prevents people like me from upgrading software easily, thus forcing a hardware upgrade- to achieve my desire for a software upgrade.
It's quite simple really. Phone sales. If any Joe-Schmoe could upgrade their droidx2 to jellybean, they wouldn't see that phone sale. No phone sale = no new 2 year contract.
They don't market the hardware specs at all like they market the OS.
It must be worth it to them to lock it down and hope to see a device sold. Henry Ford said he'd give the cars away for free if he can be the only one to sell the parts. Vzw has aligned themselves closely with this mentality.
Sent from my locked Verizon s3
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This ^^^^^
I have the Verizon Samsung Fascinate that is running Jelly Bean better than some phones out now and this phone only has 384 mb of RAM and has been out for 2 years. Through the efforts of some of the best Devs out there, this phone has lived well longer than it should have (seeing as Samsung/Verizon only supported it up to GB). I've gotten the best battery life at almost 2 days of moderate usage, it's snappy, and still is getting support from the community, because of this I've seen no reason to upgrade other than to have the latest and greatest. A locked boot loader in their mind would prevent this. Keeping hardware, that could last well longer than 2 years, from keeping up with the latest software updates. But with the hard work of the Devs and the community, even with locked bootloaders we can still keep up with the latest (ex. Kexec for VZW GS3). I hope for an unlocked bootloader, but with the great Devs out there I'm not to worried. Waiting for my locked S3 to come in the mail and plan on rooting and customizing it how I want with kexec even with a locked bootloader. I do wish those who have messaged Verizon and Samsung the best of luck. But I won't be holding my breath for them, I'll be holding it for the great Devs and the great community.
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I have a fascinate as well from a while back when my wife had it. I've been strongly considering returning my s3 after I mod the fascinate like you have (since I've never done it before...) and rock it until something worthwhile comes out
Sent from my locked Verizon s3

I'm really hoping you guys get your bootloader unlocked but speaking from experience I don't think it will work. As you can see in my sig I have owned a lot of Moto/VZW phones and people were spamming FB and twitter and starting petitions and it never did anything. But I wish you luck that you can get somewhere with sammy because god knows VZW doesn't give a sh!t about there customers.

EDNYLaw regarding locked bootloader's

Author is xda member Ednylaw
To file with the FCC, EDNYLaw has created a formal complaint. To use, simply click the link below, download the .docx and input YOUR name and information required below.
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/26329079/FCC%20Complaint%20Web.docx
Here is EDNYlaw in his own words:
Quoted from Post 55: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=29945914&postcount=55
EDNYLaw said:
I am the Attorney who wrote that comment on Droid Life and wrote the FCC Complaint. Please direct all your questions to me as I'm happy to answer them and help move things forward. A couple of things:
1) To those that think unlocking a bootloader is pointless with all the workarounds, I don't want to hear it, if that's how you feel, you're entitled to your opinion but please don't pollute this thread with your useless comments. Help or get out. PS: if the bootloader gets unlocked I fully expect either a) a statement from anyone saying it was pointless thanking the community if they choose to unlock or b) you DO NOT unlock your bootloader
2) I have not taken Verizon to court, the FCC did not take Verizon to court. The FCC made a determination that Verizon is violating the C Block regulation (it's a regulation, not law, there's a difference) and fined them. The violation was in regard to tethering apps and Google wallet. While my complaint touched on these things, the gravamen of my complaint was regarding locked bootloaders and custom ROMs, which I believe there is still a significant argument to be made.
3) Anyone who wants to read my full complaint (and send it to the FCC or their US Senators/Representatives under their name) it is located here: https://docs.google.com/document/d/109uYmho_6daIpAl0ACPSFoK0qrd6K9wp5yeqM7dEaoI/edit edit it accordingly as the beginning part was specific to me
4) Keep me informed and up to date about anything. The more minds the better. I've subscribed to this topic so I'll check in when I can.
5) As of yet I can't really think of a cause of action to take Verizon to court other than an injunction, but I'm not even thinking about a lawsuit unless it's funded or I get some help from other attorneys. I have a full time job and I'm learning to develop in my free time so I just don't have the time to pursue a giant lawsuit by myself for free right now
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EDNYLaw said:
If OP could put this in the OP it'll probably be helpful:
When I say fill in your information I mean:
I've bolded the things you need to fill in
STATE OF YOUR STATE )
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COUNTY OF YOUR COUNTY )
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In re Verizon Wireless
YOUR NAME
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You do not need an FCC Complaint Number, the reason I had a complaint number was I had previously sent in a complaint.
Make sure you also "sign" it at the bottom (last page) above where it says Complainant
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EDNYLaw said:
1) Use my complaint (provided in my post above) and in the first part where it says Verizon Wireless against... fill in your name and in the last part where it says "Respectfully Submitted" put your info in (Name, address, telephone, email)
2) I filed the complaint with the FCC and got a BS canned response from Verizon, I refiled and got the same canned BS response. After my Senator followed up I got a response from the FCC saying I could file a formal complaint, but clearly that was just a dead end since I filed 2 formal complaints and pushed the issue with my senator. Though I guess someone at the FCC caught wind because that 7/31 decision seemed to agree with my complaints and the timing was a little too coincidental
3) Completely free: go to fcc.gov and click on file consumer complaint. Email, fax or mail my complaint with your information filled in to them. I would also send it to your US Senators. Anyone from Minnesota, I think Senator Franken would be a great person to follow up with something like this.
4) In order to help out, SPREAD THE WORD! The more people that are vocal about this the better. When I was doing this with Moto I tried to get Droid Life, Android Central and Phandroid to post an article but none of them were interested. I say, spam them and get them to post an article with my complaint and what people can do. Again, the more people that are complaining and vocal, the more likely a response will be had. Give people my complaint to fill in, email the fcc chairman and commissioners (google to find their emails, it's just [email protected]). If you (or someone you know who is interested in this type of thing) is an attorney, feel free to PM me and maybe we can talk about something. Again, I don't have a tremendous amount of time to invest in this for no pay and by myself. But if there were enough attorney's interested I'd do it pro bono (for free) with the help of a group of attorneys.
And as I said, if you have questions about Verizon's policy and potential violations, ask me and I'll try to answer them. I did all the research and writing myself in my spare time and I think I nailed it insofar as the legal issues. There is next to no case law on the specific issues so I had to make legal arguments based on what little resources I had and the plain language of the regulation. Now at least that the FCC has released this decision, there is some precedent that they are actually willing to enforce a regulation instead of being a puppet for the wireless carriers (though I'm not completely convinced they're autonomous, 1.25 million to Verizon is nothing when their profits were 2.4 billion last year, that's .0005% of their profits for those keeping score at home)
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Thanks EDNYLaw. Mine is going in the mail today!
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Good bye HTC Rezound, hello Galaxy S3!

Haha this is epic. Here comes another fine Verizon!
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Dude I wish you well, and your kinda my hero today lol
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Very nice; thanks for posting it.
More momentum for our filing our complaints.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1808956
FCC will win, VZW will send an update....right at the moment I say to myself, "Ah....it took weeks but I have my phone exactly how I want it!"

am i the only one who sees no reason for unlocking the bootloader? we have a perfectly functioning workaround.

brockkk said:
am i the only one who sees no reason for unlocking the bootloader? we have a perfectly functioning workaround.
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Perfectly is an overstatement. It kinda sucks and we don't have a ton of development cause devs frankly don't want to deal with it.
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We do have a good workaround, however we shouldn't need a workaround.
Hopefully this goes somewhere, and Verizon has to fork out some more of that money of ours.

What was the outcome of this letter? It was pre Nexus S, so I assume it's been dealt with?

brockkk said:
am i the only one who sees no reason for unlocking the bootloader? we have a perfectly functioning workaround.
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Workarounds are a stop-gap, duct tape, a rubber band and bubble gum, and should be temporary. Many (myself included) don't want to deal with it and it isolates us from a significant part of the dev community. One of the reasons I wanted the SIII is for its large, wide-spread attention...but ours is gimped.
The bigger issue is that VZW won't stop at bootloaders; how long before they lock everything?
The biggest issue is VZW is doing an end-run around the law.

AndroidGraphix said:
Just read this and thought it would be nice to share.
http://www.google.com/gwt/x/e?u=htt...Ymho_6daIpAl0ACPSFoK0qrd6K9wp5yeqM7dEaoI/edit
Good bye HTC Rezound, hello Galaxy S3!
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Where did you read that? Also, keep us updated!!!

ddggttff3 said:
Where did you read that? Also, keep us updated!!!
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Found on Droid life.
Good bye HTC Rezound, hello Galaxy S3!

Drama queens. The development is fine.

brockkk said:
Drama queens. The development is fine.
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The reason why we are "drama queens" is because Verizon is violating the law and is telling us that they could care less about that they locked the bootloader even if it violates the Block C since they can somehow get away with stuff like that.

brockkk said:
Drama queens. The development is fine.
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Obviously a noob with no idea of the potential this phone has and how crippled it is with a locked bootloader. Either that or he is killing time until he can preorder the iphone 5.
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This guy needs to talk to them about Google wallet. Stupid Verizon.
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Anyone know who the author is ??
the title is little misleading only cuz the fcc has not taken them to court yet, and more then likely Verizon will comply before it makes it to court
it looks more of very formal and will written compliant to the fcc (could be wrong still reading from phone)
very valid points presented in the compliant the fcc will diffidently pay attention to this one
i would suggest the author attache the petition in this thread to the complaint
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1756483
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Yeah, well. They claim that an unlocked bootloader shaves a few seconds off boot time. But it also has the ability to prevent bricks, and it makes development more open-ended. Right now all of vzw's custom rom devs have to bake kexec into the rom, which require extra work.
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To everyone saying that some people here are drama queens, look at all the development the international version has: http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=1566. Just about all I see on that page is ROMs, ROMs, and more jelly bean ROMs. The locked bootloader has turned devs away from our version (as many people have already said). You may be happy with CM10 and a kexec workaround, but a lot of us want more options.

tonu42 said:
Look at how far whining has gotten for the Droid Series by Motorola. No where.
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Did Motorola have an agreement with the FCC prohibiting such activities?
If it doesn't stop now, how long before your recovery also becomes locked?

kmoore11 said:
To everyone saying that some people here are drama queens, look at all the development the international version has: http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=1566. Just about all I see on that page is ROMs, ROMs, and more jelly bean ROMs. The locked bootloader has turned devs away from our version (as many people have already said). You may be happy with CM10 and a kexec workaround, but a lot of us want more options.
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International version had a jump on Verizon. Hell every other carrier did. I browsed the first page of at&ts development and counted 7 ROMs Verizon had 4 on their first page. And don't even bother looking at sprints development section. This is all getting blown out of proportion.

[NEWS] Cyanogenmod stopping with supporting Samsung devices!

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Sad news for Samsung Users Here!
Every new phone from samsung that is comming out now will get no longer support from Cyanogenmod mostly the devices with a Exynos chip designed by samsung. get no more support!
Samsung said on twitter that The are taking this case very seriously!
Why is Cyanogenmod stopping with support for samsung devices?
The following reasons:
- FM-radio will never work
- Exynos Chip
- On jelly bean (Vsync and tripple buffering) will never work because the graphical drivers do not support this!
But there is some good news All samsung devices that are Out now will get support from Cyanogenmod!
only the devices that are coming out now will get no Cyanogenmod!
SOURCE: http://tweakers.net/nieuws/84925/makers-cyanogenmod-willen-support-samsung-toestellen-stoppen.html
(The source is a Dutch site so you musta translate it to English!)

This is the problem when manufacturers stray too far away from the core Android ecosystem. Their product may be good but things stop working, people get annoyed. Eventually the sales will drop and customers will get the usual things.

raze599 said:
This is the problem when manufacturers stray too far away from the core Android ecosystem. Their product may be good but things stop working, people get annoyed. Eventually the sales will drop and customers will get the usual things.
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This is just the stupidest thing that samsung could do!

link?

SyXbiT said:
link?
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This is a dutch site so you must translate it!
http://tweakers.net/nieuws/84925/makers-cyanogenmod-willen-support-samsung-toestellen-stoppen.html

safariking said:
This is a dutch site so you must translate it!
http://tweakers.net/nieuws/84925/makers-cyanogenmod-willen-support-samsung-toestellen-stoppen.html
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It doesn't mean that there point blank won't be any Exynos support, unfortunately 2 out of 3 main Samsung Cyanogen maintainers are not gonna support it anymore. The biggest issue is that unless Samsung improve / update their documentation, any new developer will have the same issues.
Originally Posted by Entropy512
Not likely to happen. If CM comes to the Note 2, it will only be if a new maintainer steps up.
Most of the current Exynos maintainer team (myself, espenfjo, codeworkx) and others have all decided that our current devices will be our last non-Nexus Exynos devices. I'm not sure about xplodwild, but I have a feeling he's highly unlikely to take up another Haxxinos with the rest of us gone and given his prior experiences with it.
If Samsung changes their attitude towards developers, this might change, but their attitude lately (zero documentation, zero platform source code, a trend towards bootloader locking - Only the Verizon S3 has a locked bootloader now, but Samsung has had the infrastructure in place since the S2 and they are constantly adding more checks) has led to the current Exynos maintainer team deciding that enough is enough. I don't think any of us are going to do anything to make Samsung's Exynos devices more attractive to any particular market segment until they provide assistance (in the form of technical documentation and source code) in return. I don't know about the others, but if they offer me a free device I'll say no - I refuse to participate in a PR stunt like the I9100 donations were.
Pretty much the only way I'll go back is if I see reference platform source that is up to the same standards as CAF and omapzoom, or they actually start providing real documentation and source code for the devices I'm currently working with.

too bad for samsung!!!!

zild8 said:
too bad for samsung!!!!
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Not really, in the short-term at least, we geek/hackers/devs etc are but a small slice of the market. I bet Google would not mind Samsung losing favor with dev community, more people on Nexus phones!

So sad because as ive read, 50% of android phones comes with samsung.

ErvinJohnEstrera said:
So sad because as ive read, 50% of android phones comes with samsung.
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Yes but then i will go over to htc

Turbotab said:
Not really, in the short-term at least, we geek/hackers/devs etc are but a small slice of the market. I bet Google would not mind Samsung losing favor with dev community, more people on Nexus phones!
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Hackers and devs will port than cm to the non supported devices but it will be a more difficulter job!

So how does this jive with the fact that Steve Kondik, founder of CyanogenMod, works for Samsung?

Sorensiim said:
So how does this jive with the fact that Steve Kondik, founder of CyanogenMod, works for Samsung[/URL]?
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Maybe that's why no more CM on future Samsung phones? Could be conflict of interest, or was asked to cease and desist or lose his job?

safariking said:
Yes but then i will go over to htc
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did it already, samsungs poltics sucks more and more i guess. and their devices getting bigger and more popular, that's maybe why they don't need us anymore; their devices are more and more for mass-market :x

merovig said:
did it already, samsungs poltics sucks more and more i guess. and their devices getting bigger and more popular, that's maybe why they don't need us anymore; their devices are more and more for mass-market :x
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Yes that's true but Samsung is so slow with their updates i had to wait 6 months for my ICS upgrade on my Galaxy Tab 8.9!

safariking said:
Yes that's true but Samsung is so slow with their updates i had to wait 6 months for my ICS upgrade on my Galaxy Tab 8.9!
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Slow? The Sprint Galaxy S2 has been getting ICS leaks since February... We have had 3 official ICS releases since then. JB builds are in the works now.
If anything, we may get our updates a few months after AOSP, but that's because of TouchWiz. Samsung support has been great in my opinion.
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Sorensiim said:
So how does this jive with the fact that Steve Kondik, founder of CyanogenMod, works for Samsung?
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Steve Kondik works for Samsung USA and according to the other thread works more closely with the Qualcomm chips. Samsung HQ in Korea are the ones responsible for not releasing the Exynos source code.

lowandbehold said:
Steve Kondik works for Samsung USA and according to the other thread works more closely with the Qualcomm chips. Samsung HQ in Korea are the ones responsible for not releasing the Exynos source code.
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The whole issue with Samsung HQ in Korea reminds me of both Sony and Toyota, who refused to listen to their foreign offices and ended suffering because of it. Sony lost their dominate position in the consumer tech business. Toyota spent $2.4 Billion trying to win a Formula 1 title, and didn't even win a bloody race!, Red Bull spent a fraction of that and have won 2 F1 titles, it safe to assume that Toyota doesn't lack engineering skill, but their Japanese HQ refused to relinquish control to the F1 experts running their race team, which meant everything became corporate and decision by committee and they lost the ability to react quickly / take risk.
The whole issue revolves around cultural differences between the Far East and the West, who are far more hierarchical and interested in being conservative and committee-led to avoid the loss of face (respect), this can bring benefits in terms of stability, but in fast moving economies having a dynamic risk taking leader, for example Steve Jobs can reap huge benefits, as you can execute far quicker and gain market dominance, btw I can't imagine Steve Jobs caring what people thought of him, the Toyota Executives cried in public because of the F1 disaster!.
The US economy has boomed because of this leadership style, even when its technology was no better or even worse than the Japanese for example, i.e GM vs Honda, of course the Credit Crunch, Enron and Wall Street greed / fraud are good examples of the negative aspects of Western business leadership
Anyway, Sammobile has a good article about the problem with Samsung's software updates.
http://www.sammobile.com/2012/10/15...ungs-smartphones-and-tablets-is-one-big-fail/
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safariking said:
Hackers and devs will port than cm to the non supported devices but it will be a more difficulter job!
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With incomplete / inaccurate documentation / driver blobs the end result will always be buggier and less feature packed than stock Samsung, e.g. Project Butter (HW Composer) doesn't work properly on GS3 Exynos Cyanogenmod because of the above issues, what is the point of Jelly Bean without lots of butter:laugh: The current sammy CM team are really good, I doubt anybody else could do better with the current restrictions.:crying:

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The whole issue with Samsung HQ in Korea reminds me of both Sony and Toyota......
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^this guy knows what he's talking about... :thumbup::good:
When I read the first page, there was plenty of stuff that I wanted to point, but I guess he covered it all up...
"By the power vested in me, I now pronounce you, Man and Knife"

a.cid said:
^this guy knows what he's talking about... :thumbup::good:
When I read the first page, there was plenty of stuff that I wanted to point, but I guess he covered it all up...
"By the power vested in me, I now pronounce you, Man and Knife"
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Samsung still has great phones and even the new ones we are able to hack it!
I know that for sure!