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HTC CEO and president Peter Chou promised that all HTC Android devices launched after September 2011 can have their bootloaders unlocked.
Currently this is not the case with the AT&T One X variant.
The only thing they respond to is bad PR and social media harassment. We're passionate about our phones and they should know it.
https://www.facebook.com/ATT
-Comment on everything that they post. Demanding the bootloader be unlocked. Hit the like button on every other post about it
HTC North American HQ - 425-679-5318
[*]AT&T Customer Service: 611. Ask to speak to a supervisor.
-They will transfer you if you are persistent.
http://forums.att.com/t5/AT-T-Wireless-Community/ct-p/attwireless
-Create threads asking when the bootloader will be unlocked. Comment in these threads
https://eclub.htc.com/us/community
-Create threads asking when the bootloader will be unlocked. Comment in these threads
Twitter!
https://twitter.com/#!/ATT
RETWEET THIS: http://twitter.com/#!/PaulOBrien/sta...11794947203072
File a Better Business Bureau complaint
bbb.org
This takes only 5 minutes to complete and actually makes a difference.
Having wide exposure of this issue gets the attention of AT&T very quickly.
EDIT: http://www.theverge.com/2012/5/4/3000175/at-t-htc-one-x-bootloader-official-unlock
Awesome job guys! That was fast!
Every little bit helps. The more active we are the faster this will be resolved. I'll be *****ing night and day until it's unlocked.
t0mmy said:
The news is spreading:
Engadget
http://www.engadget.com/2012/05/05/att-htc-one-x-locked-bootloader/
Tech Crunch
http://techcrunch.com/2012/05/05/htc-wont-hook-up-one-x-owners-with-bootloader-unlock/
Phonedog
http://www.phonedog.com/2012/05/05/...advantage-of-official-bootloader-unlock-tool/
GSMArena
http://www.gsmarena.com/at_t_htc_one_x_not_part_of_htcs_bootloader_unlocking_program-news-4210.php
Android Police
http://www.androidpolice.com/2012/0...tes-restrictions-as-reason-for-cold-shoulder/
Slashgear
http://www.slashgear.com/htc-blames-att-for-one-x-bootloader-lock-05226366/
The Verge
http://www.theverge.com/2012/5/4/3000175/at-t-htc-one-x-bootloader-official-unlock
The Chronicle
http://www.chronline.com/life/tech/article_77424808-837f-5ffa-b33b-3b08b9f840f2.html
Phandroid
http://phandroid.com/2012/05/03/att...-locked-up-other-variants-get-off-scott-free/
HTCPedia
http://htcpedia.com/news/ATTs-HTC-One-XL-Bootloader-Failure.html?l_page=1&p_page=1
MobileSyrup
http://mobilesyrup.com/2012/05/02/i...bootloader-unlock-tool-on-one-series-devices/
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Maroon Mushroom said:
Sorry guys.
Ordered my Galaxy Nexus today.
I'm willing to downgrade my hardware to support open source, unlocked bootloader, and development. I feel that by not returning this phone - I am playing a part in supporting locked bootloaders.
I will continue to support this movement, update this thread, pester AT&T, and will probably be back should the bootloader be unlocked when my girlfriend needs a phone.
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Im down for the cause

Commented on their FB page. After hearing what AT&T's CEO said today about unlimited plans and iMessage, I really can't stand AT&T now.

Lets get this done people!!!!!! I hope this flippin works!!!!!!!

Been commenting under "Robert Dole" on the facebook page since last night on everything.
I also have brought this to the attention of two editors (Myriam, Terrence) on Engadget directly via comments and podcasts chats on thier site. I also 'tipped' Engadget about it as well. Hopefully they will run a story on it.
EDIT: The more people that help, even just something as a simple post on att's FB page the better. Strength in numbers! Get everyone involved even if they don't have a One X!

just found this article :
http://androidcommunity.com/atts-htc-one-x-bootloader-locked-for-now-20120504/

Let's get the ball running everyone so this issue can be resolved ASAP I'm down also for this I can't wait to pick this phone up Sunday
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I'm joining in as well. Just spammed their page a bit. E-mailed HTC on the matter and I've been looking up information all day.

It won't be coming ever.
http://www.theverge.com/2012/5/4/30...-unlock?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
Save your minutes/bandwidth.

I'm going to bomb that recent posts section on their page so it just says
LET US UNLOCK OUR BOOTLOADERS
5 times.

rohan32 said:
It won't be coming ever.
http://www.theverge.com/2012/5/4/30...-unlock?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
Save your minutes/bandwidth.
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They said this about the Vivid. I'm sure HTC One X will be the same.

rohan32 said:
It won't be coming ever.
http://www.theverge.com/2012/5/4/30...-unlock?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
Save your minutes/bandwidth.
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Not true. This article doesn't prove anything. Nothing changed. AT&T is blocking the unlock. At least until they cave in with all the pressure.
This is the exposure I wanted.

Maroon Mushroom said:
Not true. This article doesn't prove anything. Nothing changed. AT&T is blocking the unlock. At least until they cave in with all the pressure.
This is the exposure I wanted.
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Not sure what you mean.
AT&T says it wont be coming.
They might reconsider but it isn't going to be released "very soon" as some were saying before. It will take some serious threatening to AT&T...

rohan32 said:
It won't be coming ever.
http://www.theverge.com/2012/5/4/30...-unlock?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
Save your minutes/bandwidth.
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We knew this already (att was the cause) but this is great news for us. The more coverage this gets the better. We want it to be toxic to at&t's PR so they are forced to address the issue! Hopefully more top tier tech blogs will cover this too!

rohan32 said:
Not sure what you mean.
AT&T says it wont be coming.
They might reconsider but it isn't going to be released "very soon" as some were saying before. It will take some serious threatening to AT&T...
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All AT&T cares about is PR. They will cave in. The carriers always do.
Exposure like from The Verge is very helpful.

Maroon Mushroom said:
All AT&T cares about is PR. They will cave in. The carriers always do.
Exposure like from The Verge is very helpful.
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I have also been posting on Facebook. We need to keep spamming pages like Facebook and their Forums so that we can get the employees' attention. That will lead to them telling their supervisors. Then their managers. Then to corporate. Then to their Engineering/Dev team. THEN SUCCESS.
SPAM THEIR FACEBOOK WALL. LEAVE NO REST.

pl0xn00b said:
I have also been posting on Facebook. We need to keep spamming pages like Facebook and their Forums so that we can get the employees' attention. That will lead to them telling their supervisors. Then their managers. Then to corporate. Then to their Engineering/Dev team. THEN SUCCESS.
SPAM THEIR FACEBOOK WALL. LEAVE NO REST.
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BLOOD WILL BE SPILLED.
After this we're going to torch local AT&T stores to the ground.
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pl0xn00b said:
I have also been posting on Facebook. We need to keep spamming pages like Facebook and their Forums so that we can get the employees' attention. That will lead to them telling their supervisors. Then their managers. Then to corporate. Then to their Engineering/Dev team. THEN SUCCESS.
SPAM THEIR FACEBOOK WALL. LEAVE NO REST.
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And spread the word as much as you can, get everyone you can to pitch in. Strength in numbers will free the One!

voluptuary said:
And spread the word as much as you can, get everyone you can to pitch in. Strength in numbers will free the One!
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Seriously, i had this problem with my Atrix and my Droid 3. It's actually stupid. I cannot believe At&t would cripple their own device. and what's worse, is that they are not fixing their mistakes. how does this affect them in any way? it doesn't! its absolutely a stupid move on their part. i hope that they understand that they are shooing away customers.

Can you get in trouble for repeatedly posing on their fb page? I see it let's you post on their wall not just comment on posts.
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Unofficial Verizon Locked Bootloader Discussion Thread

Figure we can keep the back and forth here and out of the R&D thread...
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I'm curious how closely the USCellular model is to Verizon's and if it is the USCellular model that Samsung will sell as a "developers edition"
Any ideas?

I hope it's not too late. That thread seems long gone... I'm just glad people are staying out of AdamOutler's r&d thread. They actually seem to be getting somewhere.

Wontfinishlast said:
I hope it's not too late. That thread seems long gone... I'm just glad people are staying out of AdamOutler's r&d thread. They actually seem to be getting somewhere.
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There's some very intelligent people working in there. It amazes me.

Thanks for creating this thread. I keep an eye on the bootloader threads and get tired of having to suffer through pages and pages of people *****ing and moaning about everything related to the bootloader issue except the actual progress in development.
Sent from my LOCKED (Verizon, you suck), SCH-I535.

For anyone interested, I submitted a complaint to the FCC regarding the locked bootloader on the GS3. If you'd like to do the same, go to fcc.gov and click on file a complaint. Then choose wireless provider and then choose the option related to deceptive actions. There is a 1000 character limit to your complaint. Here is the text of my complaint.
Verizon is the only major carrier to have released the Samsung Galaxy SIII with a locked bootloader. There was nothing in Verizon's advertised specs about a locked bootloader. Their explanation is that the device is locked to maintain the security and integrity of the network. However, they are currently selling another Samsung phone, the Galaxy Nexus which has an unlockable bootloader. Also, Verizon has announced a "developer edition" of the Galaxy SIII with an unlockable bootloader for use on Verizon's network. That device must be purchased directly from Samsung for $599. How can Verizon claim a network security and integrity issue and then sell, offer and allow such devices on their network? I feel that Verizon has tricked many customers into paying for a device that they can't use to it's full potential. They know that "security" is a great loophole for complying with the letter of their Auction 73 Block C requirements while totally violating the spirit of that agreement.
That complaint is 990 characters. If you'd like to copy it for your own use, please feel free to do so. Hopefully, enough of us will do this to get the attention of the FCC, consumer organizations and those in positions of influence over the wireless industry.
Sent from my LOCKED (Verizon, you suck), SCH-I535.

I didn't get a chance to file a complaint with the FCC last night but will tonight.
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Filed mine yesterday..

Got a call from VZW customer service today. They asked if I was content with my recent upgrade!
She agreed with me that often people buy Androids instead of iPhones because Androids are so customizeable. I expected to be able to use an OS of my choosing on this phone, so I am upset that Verizon locked the bootloader. She understood and sympathized, and now on a server somewhere in the world, there's a short note stating that I'm unhappy with my upgrade.

makogaleos said:
Got a call from VZW customer service today. They asked if I was content with my recent upgrade!
She agreed with me that often people buy Androids instead of iPhones because Androids are so customizeable. I expected to be able to use an OS of my choosing on this phone, so I am upset that Verizon locked the bootloader. She understood and sympathized, and now on a server somewhere in the world, there's a short note stating that I'm unhappy with my upgrade.
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Hahaha.. awesome!
I understand the notes on my Verizon account are "colorful."

This is Julius Genachowski , head of the FCC.
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Does this look like a person who knows what a locked vs. unlocked bootloader is? You guys are shooting over the heads of your audience by assuming they know the terms you're using.

BarryH_GEG said:
This is Julius Genachowski , head of the FCC.
Does this look like a person who knows what a locked vs. unlocked bootloader is? You guys are shooting over the heads of your audience by assuming they know the terms you're using.
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Help us draft a response to help describe the issues, without losing our audience then.

ancashion said:
Help us draft a response to help describe the issues, without losing our audience then.
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Now now. I assume Gary H has waaaaay better things to do than constructively help a minority of peers, like post rude and useless commentary in Internet forum threads created to provoke attention to a problem that shouldn't exist in the first place.
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Honestly, with the latest kexec method, I'm not sweating the boatloader anymore
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wera750 said:
Honestly, with the latest kexec method, I'm not sweating the boatloader anymore
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Now I may be wrong here because I've never flashed a rom but come to the S3 from an X2 so I've done my time with encrypted boot-loaders, but-
I thought we could change settings/features/etc. on each Rom, but, changing the base kernel of the OS is impossible. Thus, when a new OS is released from Google- say key lime pie, and it drastically changes the kernel, we will forever be prevented from putting that on our device.
Again, I may be wrong. My understanding of it is very limited.
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jaj6503 said:
Now now. I assume Gary H has waaaaay better things to do than constructively help a minority of peers, like post rude and useless commentary in Internet forum threads created to provoke attention to a problem that shouldn't exist in the first place.
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Damn- I'm already out of thanks to give.
I'd give you a gold star, but there ain't any. how about a :good:

jaj6503 said:
Now now. I assume Gary H has waaaaay better things to do than constructively help a minority of peers, like post rude and useless commentary in Internet forum threads created to provoke attention to a problem that shouldn't exist in the first place.
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It's "Barry" and I have no problem helping you guys.
"People choose Android phones for their openness. That openness allows portability so we can use the phones we've purchased from a single carrier on other carriers so that, based on the free market competition the FCC fosters, we have choices. Up until Verizon launched the new Samsung Galaxy SIII which is projected to sell in the tens of millions, Verizon (like all the other carriers) supported Android's openness and portability. With this new device, Verizon has locked the bootloader (the ability for users to modify the phone) limiting its portability. They did so without any communication with customers only finding out after entering in to a 2-year binding agreement with penalties. If other carriers follow Verizon’s dangerous precedent, and it’s reasonable to think they will, it runs contra to everything the FCC works so diligently to uphold. ”

BarryH_GEG said:
It's "Barry" and I have no problem helping you guys.
"People choose Android phones for their openness. That openness allows portability so we can use the phones we've purchased from a single carrier on other carriers so that, based on the free market competition the FCC fosters, we have choices. Up until Verizon launched the new Samsung Galaxy SIII which is projected to sell in the tens of millions, Verizon (like all the other carriers) supported Android's openness and portability. With this new device, Verizon has locked the bootloader (the ability for users to modify the phone) limiting its portability. They did so without any communication with customers only finding out after entering in to a 2-year binding agreement with penalties. If other carriers follow Verizon’s dangerous precedent, and it’s reasonable to think they will, it runs contra to everything the FCC works so diligently to uphold. ”
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Thanks for your post, Barry.
FCC is not ignorant to their own laws. That is, their jobs, after all. It is okay to include a bit of legalese in this case. Maybe mentioning Block C requirements §27.16(e).
I think you guys are barking up the wrong tree though with the encryption of the bootloader locking down the OS. That, they don't care about which has already been proved by Verizon's response to the Razr FCC complaint suggesting it was for "customer service requirements" and "Network security."
Section (e) of §27.16 also includes a blip about the locking down of the device to prevent said device from being used on a different network.
Verizon, will have to explain the reasonableness of keeping an encrypted lock on your device after you've decided to make the switch.
But, for it to work, you must first be truthfully denied by Verizon for this request. Only then, can you back them into a corner.
Truthfully, this will work for all 4g devices, from the Razr to the S3 with encrypted bootloaders.
I explain in more detail here, however, I got very few responses as it think it was over the heads of most.
Really, it's quite simple and again, VZW will have to explain how the action is reasonable, which I can't think of one way they can do. Not when I've decided to take this device to a different network. Basically, they'll tell the FCC it's "reasonable" to lock me to VZW's network which is expressly prohibited by that law. I just can't see how they can do it.
Edit- I'm all out of thanks to give so :good:

ancashion said:
Now I may be wrong here because I've never flashed a rom but come to the S3 from an X2 so I've done my time with encrypted boot-loaders, but-
I thought we could change settings/features/etc. on each Rom, but, changing the base kernel of the OS is impossible. Thus, when a new OS is released from Google- say key lime pie, and it drastically changes the kernel, we will forever be prevented from putting that on our device.
Again, I may be wrong. My understanding of it is very limited.
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I believe you are mistaken.
I came from a Droid 2 Global, where we had a similar situation. We were stuck on the Gingerbread kernel, and with no kexec, we were unable to chain-load a new kernel. We eventually got ICS ports like CM9, but that's because developers made lots of wrappers to make the existing Android ICS framework compatible with the Gingerbread kernel.
This is different from the Galaxy S3, however. We have a working kexec port that allows us to chain-load any custom kernel we want. This means that the bootloader initially loads the original, signed Samsung kernel, and then while that kernel is running, it actually loads our new, unsigned kernel directly on top of the currently running kernel. The unsigned kernel is then the one handling everything. There is pretty much nothing from the kernel-upwards that we can't modify- it's only the lower level stuff, which is pretty much just the bootloader itself.
We now have an auto-kexec method that streamlines the entire process, too. Previously, the kexec/kernel package had to be flashed in recovery before starting Android, otherwise the new kernel would not be loaded. The auto-kexec method keeps everything on a cache partition, and automatically flashes the package with each reboot. Basically the only drawback to our auto-kexec method is that it takes a bit longer to reboot/start the device, because it must first automatically boot into recovery and flash the package.
Still, this method pretty much entirely circumvents the bootloader. Plus, if you've taken a look at the CM9 install guide for our device, the actual installations of ROMs with auto-exec are now as simple as flashing the custom recovery to the device and then flashing a ROM via recovery. It's near-identical to how you normally flash ROMs.
Because of all this hard work, AOSP ROMs with custom kernels are a reality, and I can only hope we'll see official support from the CyanogenMod team and other major ROM teams.

ExodusC said:
I believe you are mistaken.
I came from a Droid 2 Global, where we had a similar situation. We were stuck on the Gingerbread kernel, and with no kexec, we were unable to chain-load a new kernel. We eventually got ICS ports like CM9, but that's because developers made lots of wrappers to make the existing Android ICS framework compatible with the Gingerbread kernel.
This is different from the Galaxy S3, however. We have a working kexec port that allows us to chain-load any custom kernel we want. This means that the bootloader initially loads the original, signed Samsung kernel, and then while that kernel is running, it actually loads our new, unsigned kernel directly on top of the currently running kernel. The unsigned kernel is then the one handling everything. There is pretty much nothing from the kernel-upwards that we can't modify- it's only the lower level stuff, which is pretty much just the bootloader itself.
We now have an auto-kexec method that streamlines the entire process, too. Previously, the kexec/kernel package had to be flashed in recovery before starting Android, otherwise the new kernel would not be loaded. The auto-kexec method keeps everything on a cache partition, and automatically flashes the package with each reboot. Basically the only drawback to our auto-kexec method is that it takes a bit longer to reboot/start the device, because it must first automatically boot into recovery and flash the package.
Still, this method pretty much entirely circumvents the bootloader. Plus, if you've taken a look at the CM9 install guide for our device, the actual installations of ROMs with auto-exec are now as simple as flashing the custom recovery to the device and then flashing a ROM via recovery. It's near-identical to how you normally flash ROMs.
Because of all this hard work, AOSP ROMs with custom kernels are a reality, and I can only hope we'll see official support from the CyanogenMod team and other major ROM teams.
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Thank you for your reply. I have no more thanks to give so :good: will have to do. I'll try and come back to give the props you deserve.
My apologies for being so thick on it. I've got a ton to learn.

BarryH_GEG said:
This is Julius Genachowski , head of the FCC.
Does this look like a person who knows what a locked vs. unlocked bootloader is? You guys are shooting over the heads of your audience by assuming they know the terms you're using.
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No but he looks like the type that would have 3 hot female geek interns that could explain it to him. FCC takes the time to figure out the whole situation I dunno how you can judge what someone looks like as to what power they may have... Hes got the finger that could potentially hit the red button. I mean common hes go a red tie! I'll try and file a complaint this weekend. I'm not really cool with the whole 14 day return deal. I want the phone that was advertised because I had to upgrade due the the fact i was forced to... keep in mind they didn't let us know via Verizon to customer communication only through thrid party...

So let's overwhelm them with #'s

We need to start an "S3 Unlock " campaign on Verizon's and Samsung's facebook and email to make our dissatisfaction more visible. Will this have any impact, I don't know, but it's something easily done with almost no effort that the general consumer and non-development community will easily see.
This has worked in the past with the HTC EVO 3D. If the community can get HTC, a million dollar company to notice, maybe it will work with a billion dollar company.
Why should we send to Samsung when it's Verizon that locked the bootloader? The reason for it is more then likely Verizon will try to pawn it off on Samsung; by saying they locked it or they have to build the unlock tool. So, before this becomes a “blame game” We don't care who is responsible, we just want “Developmental Equality” for all S3's
So as Bob Marley said: “Get up, stand up: stand up for your rights!” and take 3 minutes out of your day to help out the community.
What needs to be done:
Post "S3 Unlock or WE Walk" on Verizon's and Samsung's facebook. This would have a greater impact if it were posted everyday! “Don't let them forget about us!”
Email:
Under subject put: “S3 Unlock Bootloader” and in the body put “S3 Unlock ”
Samsung Contact:
https://www.facebook.com/SamsungUSA
Y.K. Kim
president and Chief Executive Officer of Samsung Electronics America
[email protected]
Dale Sohn
President at Samsung Telecommunications America
[email protected]
https://contactus.samsung.com/custo...estionGeneral.jsp?SITE_ID=591&PROD_ID=G303850
Verizon Contact:
https://www.facebook.com/verizon
Daniel S. Mead
President and CEO
[email protected]
Marni Walden
Executive Vice President and Chief Operating Officer
[email protected]

I understand what you want to do but alot of this is already being done by alot if angry customers. Verizon doesnt seem to care. All they did was blame Samsung.

Doesn't it make more sense that hitting them with a mass amount of posts and emails would do more than maybe 20 emails a day. It would get more attention if even just 1% of Verizon's customers were to flood them with posts and emails..this would be in the numbers up to 250,000 emails and facebook posts. They could still ignore it, but this would create more negative publicity. This is also why I am asking everyone to flood Samsung as well, eventually hopefully one of them will correct the issue. In time and numbers they will get tired of it and deal with us. Have you sent an email to Verizon or posted on their facebook?

Verizon might not admit that they are wrong, but any company is highly concerned about their public image. Facebook and Twitter can be a valuable tool to fight corporate arrogance.
One more thing to do... everyone should write a review on Verizon's web site slamming the locked bootloader, with a suggestion that this is a great phone on any provider but Verizon. I just clicked on the "Read reviews" link for the 32GB blue S3, and 4 out of the first ten reviews mentioned the locked bootloader.
We might never get them to unlock this particular bootloader, but at a minimum it would make them think twice about the future of locked bootloaders.
Verizon is betting on our apathy, so I applaud anyone who is willing to spend a bit of time keeping the heat on Verizon.

If you're serious about trying to piss them off, create an Anti Samsung Facebook page and / or Twitter Account basically blasting them for ****ty things they do, such as slow updates to products, locked bootloader, etc.
I once complained on Twitter about my GT 10.1 and didn't even direct it to them and I had their twitter person contact me and ask me if there was something they could do to help me.
They don't like knowing people are badmouthing them on social networks.
As for Verizon, they're used to people talking smack on them and don't seem the slightest bit phased.

If you're not part of the solution...you're part of the problem

I mean I guess anything's worth a try...but I don't think Verizon cares.

topmetsfan said:
I mean I guess anything's worth a try...but I don't think Verizon cares.
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They seem to hate me. Emailed the CEO about the bootloader, got the standard letter in the mail about "network security" from some high chair rep. His problem is he said "feel free to call with questions" in the letter, as well as his number. I have called him 5 times in the past 2 weeks, always leaving a message. I have still yet to get a call back. I wont stop til I can voice my opinion and get some answers.

I've been tweeting and posting on their facebook pages that I am unhappy about the locked boot loader and spyware on the phone.
It of course won't do any good, but maybe if other non dev/hacker types see the posts they will inquire or think twice.

dvaderx said:
I've been tweeting and posting on their facebook pages that I am unhappy about the locked boot loader and spyware on the phone.
It of course won't do any good, but maybe if other non dev/hacker types see the posts they will inquire or think twice.
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But other non dev/hacker types won't understand what a bootloader is and what the difference is between a locked and unlocked.

fluxvalve said:
Verizon might not admit that they are wrong, but any company is highly concerned about their public image. Facebook and Twitter can be a valuable tool to fight corporate arrogance.
One more thing to do... everyone should write a review on Verizon's web site slamming the locked bootloader, with a suggestion that this is a great phone on any provider but Verizon. I just clicked on the "Read reviews" link for the 32GB blue S3, and 4 out of the first ten reviews mentioned the locked bootloader.
We might never get them to unlock this particular bootloader, but at a minimum it would make them think twice about the future of locked bootloaders.
Verizon is betting on our apathy, so I applaud anyone who is willing to spend a bit of time keeping the heat on Verizon.
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Why they even try to lock them I don't even get. It just seems like a waste of their time and resources. Just look at the s3, it was basically cracked before release and we already can do just about anything we want on it. It makes them look bad and does nothing and it makes even less sense when they have unlocked phones on their network. Bunch of dummies if you ask me
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They seem to hate me. Emailed the CEO about the bootloader, got the standard letter in the mail about "network security" from some high chair rep. His problem is he said "feel free to call with questions" in the letter, as well as his number. I have called him 5 times in the past 2 weeks, always leaving a message. I have still yet to get a call back. I wont stop til I can voice my opinion and get some answers.
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When you do, If you do, point out they sell unlocked phones on their network and that virtually every phone they sell has been hacked and its just a waste of their time.

piiman said:
Why they even try to lock them I don't even get. It just seems like a waste of their time and resources. Just look at the s3, it was basically cracked before release and we already can do just about anything we want on it. It makes them look bad and does nothing and it makes even less sense when they have unlocked phones on their network. Bunch of dummies if you ask me
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If my x2 bootloader wasn't locked down like it is, ii wouldn't have purchased a new phone. Hardware is staying viable for a longer time than they would like, but, by locking down the software used they can obsolete your device long before the hardware is obsolete. Those who are savvy enough to hack it and put what they want on it also upgrade quick to the newest hardware for the wow factor and vzw knows this. Locking the device down prevents people like me from upgrading software easily, thus forcing a hardware upgrade- to achieve my desire for a software upgrade.
It's quite simple really. Phone sales. If any Joe-Schmoe could upgrade their droidx2 to jellybean, they wouldn't see that phone sale. No phone sale = no new 2 year contract.
They don't market the hardware specs at all like they market the OS.
It must be worth it to them to lock it down and hope to see a device sold. Henry Ford said he'd give the cars away for free if he can be the only one to sell the parts. Vzw has aligned themselves closely with this mentality.
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ancashion said:
If my x2 bootloader wasn't locked down like it is, ii wouldn't have purchased a new phone. Hardware is staying viable for a longer time than they would like, but, by locking down the software used they can obsolete your device long before the hardware is obsolete. Those who are savvy enough to hack it and put what they want on it also upgrade quick to the newest hardware for the wow factor and vzw knows this. Locking the device down prevents people like me from upgrading software easily, thus forcing a hardware upgrade- to achieve my desire for a software upgrade.
It's quite simple really. Phone sales. If any Joe-Schmoe could upgrade their droidx2 to jellybean, they wouldn't see that phone sale. No phone sale = no new 2 year contract.
They don't market the hardware specs at all like they market the OS.
It must be worth it to them to lock it down and hope to see a device sold. Henry Ford said he'd give the cars away for free if he can be the only one to sell the parts. Vzw has aligned themselves closely with this mentality.
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This ^^^^^
I have the Verizon Samsung Fascinate that is running Jelly Bean better than some phones out now and this phone only has 384 mb of RAM and has been out for 2 years. Through the efforts of some of the best Devs out there, this phone has lived well longer than it should have (seeing as Samsung/Verizon only supported it up to GB). I've gotten the best battery life at almost 2 days of moderate usage, it's snappy, and still is getting support from the community, because of this I've seen no reason to upgrade other than to have the latest and greatest. A locked boot loader in their mind would prevent this. Keeping hardware, that could last well longer than 2 years, from keeping up with the latest software updates. But with the hard work of the Devs and the community, even with locked bootloaders we can still keep up with the latest (ex. Kexec for VZW GS3). I hope for an unlocked bootloader, but with the great Devs out there I'm not to worried. Waiting for my locked S3 to come in the mail and plan on rooting and customizing it how I want with kexec even with a locked bootloader. I do wish those who have messaged Verizon and Samsung the best of luck. But I won't be holding my breath for them, I'll be holding it for the great Devs and the great community.
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I have a fascinate as well from a while back when my wife had it. I've been strongly considering returning my s3 after I mod the fascinate like you have (since I've never done it before...) and rock it until something worthwhile comes out
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I'm really hoping you guys get your bootloader unlocked but speaking from experience I don't think it will work. As you can see in my sig I have owned a lot of Moto/VZW phones and people were spamming FB and twitter and starting petitions and it never did anything. But I wish you luck that you can get somewhere with sammy because god knows VZW doesn't give a sh!t about there customers.

[Q] This may sound tres "conspiracy theory-ist", BUT ...

Suddenly and without warning today ... this hypothesis struck me and started to develop (much like an impending thunderstorm). I wonder: What if somehow Apple managed to coerce AT&T into sabotaging the ICS release with the intent of deflating Samsung, just in case their lawsuit didn't work out? In return, AT&T would be thrown a handful of Apple exclusives (since they were so bent out of shape about Apple cheating on them first with Verizon then Sprint; ironically about the same time that the Android lineup REALLY improved at AT&T). Naturally, greedy AT&T would jump at the chance to be Apple's main (excuse me) ***** one more time, right?
I guess this is coming from a place of substantial anger. I'm FURIOUS that the phone I LOVED so much for seven months was basically taken away from me. And there is not a SINGLE official word from either Samsung or AT&T about what I can do about it. So I suppose I can bring the thing back to Best Buy, AGAIN, and recieve another REFURBISHED edition (one that's only 300 IMEI numbers up from the original one), but honestly, I don't have the time or desire to rebuild the damn thing one more time (and then beg the guy at Android Assistant to please let me not have to pay again ... etc. etc. etc.)
I know ... I'm delving deeeeeeep into conspiracy theorism and perhaps I shouldn't play so many video games. BUT, maybe ............ anybody think it makes sense?
PS Thanks for keeping this great and informative site running. It serves as such an amazing resource. The amount of knowledge I've picked up here is invaluable.

WOW. Really?? My phones running great on AOKP JB. Sounds more like user error than a multi-business conspiracy.

JB?
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WOW. Really?? My phones running great on AOKP JB. Sounds more like user error than a multi-business conspiracy.
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Did i miss something and AT&T officially released JB? Because I'm speaking specifically about the official release that AT&T and Samsung sent out to its customers ... you know, the legal way.

Yeah you missed the whole point of this site. lol

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Suddenly and without warning today ... this hypothesis struck me and started to develop (much like an impending thunderstorm). I wonder: What if somehow Apple managed to coerce AT&T into sabotaging the ICS release with the intent of deflating Samsung, just in case their lawsuit didn't work out? In return, AT&T would be thrown a handful of Apple exclusives (since they were so bent out of shape about Apple cheating on them first with Verizon then Sprint; ironically about the same time that the Android lineup REALLY improved at AT&T). Naturally, greedy AT&T would jump at the chance to be Apple's main (excuse me) ***** one more time, right?
I guess this is coming from a place of substantial anger. I'm FURIOUS that the phone I LOVED so much for seven months was basically taken away from me. And there is not a SINGLE official word from either Samsung or AT&T about what I can do about it. So I suppose I can bring the thing back to Best Buy, AGAIN, and recieve another REFURBISHED edition (one that's only 300 IMEI numbers up from the original one), but honestly, I don't have the time or desire to rebuild the damn thing one more time (and then beg the guy at Android Assistant to please let me not have to pay again ... etc. etc. etc.)
I know ... I'm delving deeeeeeep into conspiracy theorism and perhaps I shouldn't play so many video games. BUT, maybe ............ anybody think it makes sense?
PS Thanks for keeping this great and informative site running. It serves as such an amazing resource. The amount of knowledge I've picked up here is invaluable.
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No. Dude these are multibillion dollar companies, they have better **** to deal then playing subterfuge over what would amount to a couple thousand dollars, at the most, lost from annoyed customers
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what do you mean taken away from you? did you mess it up and bricked it or somebody confiscated it from your home?
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Did i miss something and AT&T officially released JB? Because I'm speaking specifically about the official release that AT&T and Samsung sent out to its customers ... you know, the legal way.
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Actually- rooting your phone and using a custom ROM are 100% legal.
Carriers like at&t don't like it, but its legal.
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Lol. If anything AT&T is trying to get away from Apple products. They make more profit selling Android devices.
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Actually- rooting your phone and using a custom ROM are 100% legal.
Carriers like at&t don't like it, but its legal.
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THIS.
All it does is void your warranty. Since it was probably already void for who knows why else among the array of things that could void your warranty, the OP's argument is null and void, and similarly a useless waste of space.

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THIS.
All it does is void your warranty. Since it was probably already void for who knows why else among the array of things that could void your warranty, the OP's argument is null and void, and similarly a useless waste of space.
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What argument? Who's arguing with who? What'd I miss?
And since I didn't really present any facts since it wasn't an argument, per se ... what exactly is your point?
Seems like all you guys want to do is argue ... or troll. Hmmmmmm.
PS the original point was meant to be a funny "get this **** out of my head" thing. Maybe I'll re-evaluate my needs. Can I have my money back, then?

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What argument? Who's arguing with who? What'd I miss?
And since I didn't really present any facts since it wasn't an argument, per se ... what exactly is your point?
Seems like all you guys want to do is argue ... or troll. Hmmmmmm.
PS the original point was meant to be a funny "get this **** out of my head" thing. Maybe I'll re-evaluate my needs. Can I have my money back, then?
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It's who is arguing with whom. Also, I believe the word you were searching for in the thread title is theorist, not theory-ist.
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It's who is arguing with whom. Also, I believe the word you were searching for in the thread title is theorist, not theory-ist.
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I love grammar Nazis! U R the gr8est!

m4570d0n said:
It's who is arguing with whom. Also, I believe the word you were searching for in the thread title is theorist, not theory-ist.
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That was sweet! ALL HAIL GRAMMAR NAZI! As far as the 'discussion' goes, it should make no difference to you who releases what and when. As it was pointed out, maybe you are missing the point of this arena. Whether you develop, tinker, or just screw around with your phone, the point is this: collectively, we as a group could not care less what the carriers or even manufacturers provide for us in the way of OS updates. We seek out our own, by way of skilled and knowledgeable people who aren't satisfied with the bloatware infested offerings given to us long after the fact. As a member of this forum, you are EXPECTED to have the desire to learn how to make your own way in the android world, albeit with the help of others most of the time.This is a development and learning forum. Regardless of the trolling and/or occasional flaming for the sub-genius among us, you need to want to learn, not wait on the conglomerates to dole out what they want to....my penny and a half.

S7 bootloader unlock petition

Anybody interested in the bootloader and unlocking it I encourage you to sign this petition. These phones are ours to use how we see fit and the more noise we make the better our chances are. I bought this phone under the assumption that nothing had changed and for Samsung to change their policies without notice isn't acceptable for me and hopefully you as well. Thank you
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And please re-tweet:
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It's time!

I signed

Used the picture on Instagram and @JohnLegere thanks!

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And please re-tweet: It's time!
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Done!
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Signed!

Signed

Signed.

This bad boy has over 500 signatures now. The more we share and retweet the louder we sound. Samsung has also responded to a few people, so you know we're being heard. Keep your fingers crossed and keep the pressure up until we hear one way or the other.

See, this is what is wrong with this picture... "Make Tmobile great again"! That's wrong, Tmo has been doing a great job as of late; do not undermine its performance just because Sammy is putting all of its panties in a bunch with their pay system.
That picture should have said "Keep Tmobile being great"! If I was the CEO of a company and I come across something like this, I would be losing respect for whatever movement faster than ligth because it is making me look bad not just the company.. especially if it has not been proven that Tmo is at fault here guys; don't paint as a bad guy an innocent party until proven guilty.. It defeats the purpose

Signed

Signed!

signed! git 'er 'dun T-Mobile!

brendan802 said:
Anybody interested in the bootloader and unlocking it I encourage you to sign this petition. These phones are ours to use how we see fit and the more noise we make the better our chances are. I bought this phone under the assumption that nothing had changed and for Samsung to change their policies without notice isn't acceptable for me and hopefully you as well. Thank you
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What percentage of people do you think own the phone vs lease the phone? I would wager the vast majority are using it on JUMP or JOD or just a regular lease. If you are leasing a phone, its certainly "not yours to use how you see fit". It would be great if Samsung would allow those of us who paid the phone full price the option to unlock the bootloader, but T-Mobile is under no obligation to do it for those who lease the phone.

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Semantics said:
What percentage of people do you think own the phone vs lease the phone? I would wager the vast majority are using it on JUMP or JOD or just a regular lease. If you are leasing a phone, its certainly "not yours to use how you see fit". It would be great if Samsung would allow those of us who paid the phone full price the option to unlock the bootloader, but T-Mobile is under no obligation to do it for those who lease the phone.
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Your name is very accurate.
Also, you seem to be, at core, a very self-centered, self-serving individual. Why would you even present that argument, when an unlock for everyone gives you exactly what you get if your suggestion is implemented? Do you have a need to be one of the only ones with the full bells and whistles? Is it a need to be the cool kid with the rooted phone that no one else has? Is it because you feel more entitled, as you bought the phone outright for reasons of your own, instead of going on month-to-month? I'm genuinely curious, none of this is meant to insult you. I'm interested in the psychology behind people who see things like you did.

psych0r3bel said:
Your name is very accurate.
Also, you seem to be, at core, a very self-centered, self-serving individual. Why would you even present that argument, when an unlock for everyone gives you exactly what you get if your suggestion is implemented? Do you have a need to be one of the only ones with the full bells and whistles? Is it a need to be the cool kid with the rooted phone that no one else has? Is it because you feel more entitled, as you bought the phone outright for reasons of your own, instead of going on month-to-month? I'm genuinely curious, none of this is meant to insult you. I'm interested in the psychology behind people who see things like you did.
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I've said already I'm not rooting regardless. I find it ironic the guy who doesn't actually own his phone feels that he's entitled to the same benefits as the people who actually do own the phone. If you want to use words like it's mine to do as I please, then you should at least own the phone before claiming ownership. I couldn't care less about an unlocked bootloader, its clearly an issue for some, but don't try and play me as the entitled one when you are in fact acting like you are owed something you are not. Bernie Sanders fan too I wager.

Semantics said:
What percentage of people do you think own the phone vs lease the phone? I would wager the vast majority are using it on JUMP or JOD or just a regular lease. If you are leasing a phone, its certainly "not yours to use how you see fit". It would be great if Samsung would allow those of us who paid the phone full price the option to unlock the bootloader, but T-Mobile is under no obligation to do it for those who lease the phone.
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Id say that probably about 25-30% own them outright and I understand what you are saying but they use to be unlocked no matter what method of payment you have so why should that change now? If they would unlock just the ones sold outright that would be fine for me and I bet that would be better for the carriers too. Either way they shouldn't change their stance without notice as samsung knows how upset people become over locked bootloaders. I am with sprint for the record as t-mobile isnt available in fabulous rural rutland vermont and I posted to all carrier forums hoping the more noise we make the better for us all.

A promising lead or empty words from a Tmo employee: Real or Not?
Edit: TMobile deleted the tweet by KimB that stated, "it's getting unlocked.."

Semantics said:
What percentage of people do you think own the phone vs lease the phone? I would wager the vast majority are using it on JUMP or JOD or just a regular lease. If you are leasing a phone, its certainly "not yours to use how you see fit". It would be great if Samsung would allow those of us who paid the phone full price the option to unlock the bootloader, but T-Mobile is under no obligation to do it for those who lease the phone.
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psych0r3bel said:
Your name is very accurate.
Also, you seem to be, at core, a very self-centered, self-serving individual. Why would you even present that argument, when an unlock for everyone gives you exactly what you get if your suggestion is implemented? Do you have a need to be one of the only ones with the full bells and whistles? Is it a need to be the cool kid with the rooted phone that no one else has? Is it because you feel more entitled, as you bought the phone outright for reasons of your own, instead of going on month-to-month? I'm genuinely curious, none of this is meant to insult you. I'm interested in the psychology behind people who see things like you did.
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No Im not doing this just for myself I strongly believe that android should stay open the way its meant to be and locked bootloaders are not that. And actually guess what I'm on a month to month lease with sprint but if need be I will go out and buy one outright so I can do what I want with something that is supposed to be mine. Hows that for self serving because I wouldn't get the unlock if they released it right now to paid in full s7 owners. Were you expecting that I bet not. I have never had a single device whether I bought it outright or not that had a locked bootloader and I wont keep one that cannot be unlocked. Douchebag looking to start sh!t with a stranger real nice you dont know me or what I'm about. 24 payments of $30.50 but Im self serving like you thought. No response from the psychologist huh. You know samsung had previously locked phones that they sold as developer editions if you bought them outright just like I said paid in full. I think that none should be locked no matter what way you pay for them. Its like saying if you are paying off a car that you cant put a performance pipe on it because you haven't paid it completely off???
Here is my lease agreement
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