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[Q] Build quality?

For the lucky few who have their transformers, how is the build quality? I'm actually typing this up from my Motorola Xoom right now and really like it. But the transformers IPS screen is really drawing me. Also some of the other features like the dock, and front facing speakers. But the larger size is scaring me away. The bezel looks alot bigger the on the xoom especially length wise. Is it noticeable \ bothersome? I really like the xooms design and build quality
. How do you guys feel about Asus's? anyone with experience with both who can comment?
I have a few more days to return the xoom so I need decide if waiting for the transformer to come to the us is worth it.
Also is the transformers bootloader going to be unlocked for sure?
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its very nice build, does not feel cheep. there is a little movement on the back if you press it in the right place. but apart from that its perfect in my opinion. im using swiftkey tablet beta. which is perfect and makes typing on it super easy. and in portrait its super easy to type. im finding everything on it much easier to do than on my girlfriends ipad. i've always like asus since i got a eee 4g surf(one of the first netbooks). and a eee pc 1001ha(netbook). and always been impressed with there build quality and design.
cant say about the bootloader. but im sure people will try. i know paul from modaco. has a eeepad. and has all ready rooted and optimize it. just waiting for honeycomb source so they can deodexed the system allowing. custom kernels, roms, mods ect

You've been watching videos, but haven't actually seen one ?
The bezel looks big in the videos becasue you can't see the very nice old gold casing that surrounds the device, i may be a bit larger than the xoom or galaxy tab, but after you've picked it up twice you don't notice it.

the main unit, pad, is solid built, and most of the unit is metal, i will consider it heavy, especially if you combine the keyboard, as both unit has built in battery, but you do get over 14-16 hours of use, comment from asus rep, and it's very thin.

tomqman said:
im using swiftkey tablet beta. which is perfect and makes typing on it super easy.
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you obviously haven't tried the thumb keyboard
By far the best keyboard for a 10.1 tablet. I tried them all including the swiftkey beta. Thumb keyboard just released a beta you can get for free I was using the paid version before the beta. Its not as pretty as the swiftkey beta but for functionality its hands down the best http://thumb4beta.blogspot.com/
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I love thumb keyboard. Thanks for the beta link.

Anyone want to be daring and do a teardown of their transformer
Then we would truly know the build quality

graffixnyc said:
you obviously haven't tried the thumb keyboard
By far the best keyboard for a 10.1 tablet. I tried them all including the swiftkey beta. Thumb keyboard just released a beta you can get for free I was using the paid version before the beta. Its not as pretty as the swiftkey beta but for functionality its hands down the best http://thumb4beta.blogspot.com/
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Are you meant to, as the name suggest, typing with you thumbs?
On real keyboards I type with all 10 fingers, so I wonder how it works on a touch screen. Probably not at all.

Kermode said:
Are you meant to, as the name suggest, typing with you thumbs?
On real keyboards I type with all 10 fingers, so I wonder how it works on a touch screen. Probably not at all.
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It's just a name man... It has a layout very similar to the swiftkey beta split layout(just works a hell of a lot better). There are actually 4 or 5 different layouts in the the paid version and you can have different layouts based on landscape or portrait .
http://www.androidsfanclub.com/2011/02/free-download-thumb-keyboard-293.html\
http://www.google.com/search?q=thum...ct=mode&cd=2&ved=0CAcQ_AUoAQ&biw=1366&bih=576

Kermode said:
Are you meant to, as the name suggest, typing with you thumbs?
On real keyboards I type with all 10 fingers, so I wonder how it works on a touch screen. Probably not at all.
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Yeah you can. The point is to be able to hold the device and type at the same time. With a tablet, it is kinda hard if the keyboard isn't split because it is physically hard to reach the center part of the keyboard.

SlimDan22 said:
Anyone want to be daring and do a teardown of their transformer
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Here it is(EeePad):
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[Q] Eee Pad Slider vs. Transformer

With the Eee Pad Slider coming "soon" according to Engadget, is anyone thinking of getting the Slider instead of the TF? Personally, I think the TF is still a better option because of the keyboard dock USB ports, SD slot and extra battery life, but I'm really beginning to like the Slider too.
http://www.engadget.com/2011/05/27/asus-eee-pad-slider-going-on-sale-soon-price-is-still-anyone/
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Is the keyboard always attached to the tablet? the article don't explain that part.
If it does, then the TF is better for me since there is the option to use as tablet only or netbook.
Still, the slider looks nice.

No touchpad so no
Sent from my Transformer TF101

Such a large sliding device is a little ambitious in my mind, have you watched any of the hands on vids from CES? I saw a guy open one and he had to be real careful to apply even pressure on both sides while sliding. I think the slider is a little too bulky, not that the tf is small but you can detach if you want. Just got mine in today and liking it so far.
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frosty5689 said:
No touchpad so no
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Good point. Plus, it's missing the keyboard shortcuts. Plus, one of the nice things about the dock is that it protects the screen when it's closed. The Slider has no screen protection.

The slider is cool, but I personally prefer the detachable dock approach. That way when you are actually using it as a tablet you drop the bulk added by the keyboard, the slider will always be a bulky device even when you have the keyboard closed. In all honesty though I'm still in the honeymoon phase with my Transformer so that may sway my decision a little. Pricing will be a huge factor I think, if they can get the slider somewhere between $500-$600 it will do very well.
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the slider really is a cool device and a cool concept, but it's not really that practical.
With the transformer you can lose the keyboard when you want, and then dock it when you need it. Also means you can carry it around without having to worry about the screen getting destroyed.
and as it's been said. 2x USB ports and trackpad. good enough reason right there.

how about $449

frosty5689 said:
No touchpad so no
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doesnt the touchscreen render the touchpad at most a secondary input device, at the very least, useless? i have the dock with my tf and i mostly turn off the touchpad since i have the tendency to touch with when typing, causing inadvertent movement of the cursor.
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finalhit said:
doesnt the touchscreen render the touchpad at most a secondary input device, at the very least, useless? i have the dock with my tf and i mostly turn off the touchpad since i have the tendency to touch with when typing, causing inadvertent movement of the cursor.
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quite the opposite for me .... when i have the keyboard attached i find myself using the touchpad much more than the touchscreen ..... seems awkward to reach over the keyboard ..... of course my attitude might change over time but this way at least i have the choice

neok44 said:
With the transformer you can lose the keyboard when you want, and then dock it when you need it.
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+1 When I first saw both devices, I wanted the weight advantage of using just the tablet i.e. 680g for just the TF vs 886g for the Slider!

and I'm sure you won't get the 16hr battery life on the slider

Another (small) point to make is that the angle of the Slider's screen cannot be adjusted to get rid of reflections etc like the transformer can.....

The article says the Slider will use the Atom Z670 processor instead of Tegra 2. Any advantages to this?
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gadgetfann said:
The article says the Slider will use the Atom Z670 processor instead of Tegra 2. Any advantages to this?
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Touchscreen lap warmer.

JCopernicus said:
Touchscreen lap warmer.
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Assuming you can comfortably keep it on your lap with that form factor. From my lap height and with the screen that close to the keys i think i would be poking at the bottom of the screen edge a lot. Interesting design, but it seems a bit awkward overall.
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depends, the transformers dock makes it alot heavyer and thicker, if the sliders keyboard is ultra light and thin i could see it playing a huge part in the tablet world. and since there isnt a mouse pad u dont have to reach nearly as far to get to the screen to scroll.

nrapallo said:
+1 When I first saw both devices, I wanted the weight advantage of using just the tablet i.e. 680g for just the TF vs 886g for the Slider!
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How much weight it the tf + dock i wonder.. I'd estimate 950. Just curious, obviously I prefer the tf
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gadgetfann said:
The article says the Slider will use the Atom Z670 processor instead of Tegra 2. Any advantages to this?
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It's a x86 processor, meaning it can run everything your desktop pc can. Prepare for battery life to take a nose dive.

klau1 said:
It's a x86 processor, meaning it can run everything your desktop pc can. Prepare for battery life to take a nose dive.
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+1
That was my first thought when I read it came with Atom instead of Tegra... Bye bye to big battery times.
Regards.

The ASUS Transformer Pad Infinity Thread

Since there isn't a TPI forum (yet), I thought we should have a thread to discuss all issues related to the Infinity. News/announcements, release dates, spec changes, etc. So here we go.
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What are the implications of the improved screen resolution? Someone mentioned eBooks... obviously 1080p movies. Other ideas?

Ughh... I know the new back plate is appose to help with the wifi, GPS, issue for those suffering from it. Personally i am not but that new back plate i think is yucky compared to the current.
But the higher resolution does grab my attention.

I think this will be unnecessary upgrades for the most part.
Resolution your eyes will barely notice.
Different cpu thats slightly improved.
plastic panel so it will actually work.
Everything else is practically the same.

The question is will it blend! At least if you are a original Prime owner and want a the new model when it arrives. The current dock will work with the TF-700. One less thing you have to buy i guess.

Vcolassi said:
The question is will it blend! At least if you are a original Prime owner and want a the new model when it arrives the dock the new TF-700 will fit in it. One less thing you have to buy i guess.
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One of the press releases said it'll come in Amethyst and Champagne Gold.

Yes, it should blend. I am hoping so, my dock is non-returnable so I'll keep it for the Infinity.

****ing_lukin said:
What are the implications of the improved screen resolution? Someone mentioned eBooks... obviously 1080p movies. Other ideas?
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For me, remote desktop using native Res, and movies

Lolento said:
For me, remote desktop using native Res, and movies
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But my icons would be so small! I need lower resolution so that my fats fingers can tap the icons. Sorry, I don't want to hijack the thread.

I wonder if the full HD resolution has any upside if you don't plan on watching a ton of movies on it? Wouldn't the text be much smaller, obviously. I can't see the resolution helping youtube videos out much being most of the HD ones are in 720p. I dunno if that made sense lol.

Reading text is a huge benefit. Big docs done in Word and Excel will also be much easier to read and manage with a higher resolution screen. If your video library is done in 1080P/MKV not only with they look better they'll play better because they'll no longer have to downscaled buy the GPU and s/w to fit a lower res screen.

****ing_lukin said:
But my icons would be so small! I need lower resolution so that my fats fingers can tap the icons. Sorry, I don't want to hijack the thread.
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I agree with that! I have a Galaxy Note with a 1280x800 on a 5.3" screen i believe. And the icons are small!

Vcolassi said:
I agree with that! I have a Galaxy Note with a 1280x800 on a 5.3" screen i believe. And the icons are small!
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If you look at the pics and video of the TF700 and Acer A700 the UI seems to scale up so it seems that icons and such will be the same size. In-app icons and navigation buttons would be smaller I'd imagine.

BarryH_GEG said:
If you look at the pics and video of the TF700 and Acer A700 the UI seems to scale up so it seems that icons and such will be the same size. In-app icons and navigation buttons would be smaller I'd imagine.
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Gotcha, makes sense. When is the 700 due for release in the USA. June? Id gladly hold onto my Prime for 2-3 months and sell it a few weeks before it arrives "IF... i decided on it". Im sure there will be plenty of vids on youtube of people over in Europe that get their hands on it first to test soon. This way i can decide is it really worth it.

Since the Prime is mentioned as being "for early adopters," one wonders then if other models--being more mainstream--will have bootloader unlock. Somebody should ask Gary Key.

e.mote said:
Since the Prime is mentioned as being "for early adopters," one wonders then if other models--being more mainstream--will have bootloader unlock. Somebody should ask Gary Key.
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The 300 should.. It was in the build prop as transformer tf201x lite....
I imagine they have it setup with the updates that it would change the necessary things between tablets... Just like changing the few things from us build to WW build
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Hopefully we'll start seeing these puppies for sale in June

The date of the availability of the Infinity is very important.
It should replace the TF201 and the 300 series should replace the TF101.
I expect the same range of prices of the actual products.
In terms of diferences between Prime and Infinity, the improvement of the Wifi and GPS with the plastic part on top of the pad should be main thing.
The screen resolution wil not benefit for 95% of the users.

nunoloule said:
It(the Infinity) should replace the TF201 and the 300 series should replace the TF101.
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That would make a lot more sense than keeping the 4 products on the market. Probably this will be the long term goal.

nunoloule said:
The screen resolution wil not benefit for 95% of the users.
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Funny, on what grounds do you say that the resolution wont benefit 95% of the users.
If thats the case then they should have just kept 1024x600 till now

THE GOOD

Post anything that you found GOOD about your tablet and that no1 else has
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ray3andrei said:
Post anything that you found GOOD about your tablet and that no1 else has
For me the antutu benchmark on which i got:
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I could fill pages with the good but I leave it up to you
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I have been using a Transformer since the original. I just don't understand how someone can not love these things. I go from furiously typing notes, documents, and spreadsheets at work conferences to taking pictures of slideshow presentations to surfing the web, to watching movies, reading books, hooking it up to the TV in the hotel to stream what *I* want to watch.
I am a big fan of instant gratification and I do not believe there is another series of devices on the market that give these to me. Sure, I can probably do most or all of those things with another device, but no where near as seamlessly and efficiently.

Asus has the fastest update. That's the no 1 reason I go for the infinity. I think galaxy tab 10.1 just got their update to ICS while the transformer OG and prime got updated long long time ago

The stock calculator looks exceptionally well on an FHD screen.

Boots fast
Good video camera

My wife on my wallpaper in full HD . Yeah baby!!

Asus is basically an OEM company that doesn't have the raw marketing muscle of apple or the hardware monopolies of Samsung. It lives and dies by the quality of its products and I've been happy so far with all of my asus products. The Prime did have a lot of issues but I believe it was simply too ambitious a device and Asus did its best to fix issues.
The fact that they make the Nexus 7 too sealed the deal for me. Who else is going to get ICS faster on tablets than asus?
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Diogenes5 said:
Asus is basically an OEM company that doesn't have the raw marketing muscle of apple or the hardware monopolies of Samsung. It lives and dies by the quality of its products and I've been happy so far with all of my asus products. The Prime did have a lot of issues but I believe it was simply too ambitious a device and Asus did its best to fix issues.
The fact that they make the Nexus 7 too sealed the deal for me. Who else is going to get ICS faster on tablets than asus?
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I think you mean Jellybean. ;^)
For me, the screen is sooo beautiful. Also, I'm actually floored by the incredible battery life I'm getting with the keyboard dock connected. I literally take it off the charger at 5:30 a.m., use it heavily all day (assorted activities, screen on a great deal of the time), and only once did I need to charge again before midnight. Most of the time I still have more than 60% each left in tab and dock when I got to bed.
I really haven't experienced lag or any of the I/O issues some reported. My TF700 is flawless. I really love it.

ray3andrei said:
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For me the antutu benchmark on which i got:
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I could fill pages with the good but I leave it up to you
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The camera quality is great! Even though prime had the same camera, both of mine took ridiculous quality pics. Worse by far than my cheap ass 3 mp phone. I'm going camping this weekend, and NOT taking my stand alone camera since my Infinity takes such beautiful shots.

I'm still playing with my new purchase and getting the necessary apps installed. I'm finding a few quirks with the interface and the touch sensitivity is a little different from the Galaxy Tab 10.1. My screen has very minor light bleed around the edges. Not is pristine as the Tab 10.1 screen but not distracting either, so I'm keeping my Infinity.
The good is expansion, expansion. Two card slots and a full USB with the dock plus a keyboard. I had to use a USB hub with the USB dongle along with a card reader, mouse, and keyboard with the Samsung. A little cumbersome for a tablet. USB Ethernet works right out of the box, no driver installs or rooting. All of my USB sticks and memory cards work. The external hard drive I have is detected but it is formatted NTFS. All I have to do is move the stuff off and reformat exFAT so I can use on both the Infinity and PCs.

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The camera quality is great! Even though prime had the same camera
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The infinity has an extra lens, and f2.2 aperture, but a much better camera indeed
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Display problem pixel grid(?)

Hello guys i have a question: is it normal that i can see horizontal and vertical lines forming something like a pixel grid ( maybe it's the pixel grid itself) on the screen especially while watching white images with high brightness? Is it something that every xz premium have or is it just a problem of my Phone?*
Thanks for everyone that Will help me. This thing is Making me pretty sad because the screen look like an old (really old) generation one
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Sounds like a defect, you should RMA that phone asap.

Can you take a picture of what you are seeing with another camera?

I've tryed but my cameras aren't able to focus on such micro details. The lines im talking about are perpendicular to the edges and form micro squares just like a pixel grid; its an hardware thing not some effect showed from the display. I Hope that i have explained it better and sorry for my English. Thanks a lot for helping me.*
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Really strange, I would also suggest returning your phone. I personally can see a slight zig-zag pattern when the screen is at full brightness showing pure white.
Or maybe it's just my brain playing tricks on me...

Yeah it's like a texture on the screen and not only with white, with every light color like green light Grey and light blue for example in Facebook is visible everywhere.
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I got some pics. Look for example at the chrome icon. It's pixellated like in an iPhone 3gs. This is all clearly visible in all the screen just with certain colours is more evident. http://cloud.tapatalk.com/s/594ea14fc7c1c/image1-1.JPG
http://cloud.tapatalk.com/s/594ea15d154ca/image1.JPG
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I have the same 'problem'. I believe all XZP phones will have it as it is caused by the strange pixel arrangement, so exchanging your phone won't change anything.

MuffinBomber said:
I have the same 'problem'. I believe all XZP phones will have it as it is caused by the strange pixel arrangement, so exchanging your phone won't change anything.
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this make me sad cause i can clearly see it with naked eyes and. i was expecting best display ww and get a pixellated one like an iPhone 3gs lmao such a joke.

Here's some more info
I think if the pixels were completely straight and vertical we wouldn't notice this effect as much. After all this is a 4K display with 806 ppi so our eyes shouldn't be able to distinguish between the individual pixels. I'd like to check out the S8's screen and see if I can notice a similar effect as well.

I see the same thing on my XZ Premium. I can see the pattern quite easily when I browse the internet in bed. My HTC U11 looks far sharper at the same distance. Even my Mate 9 (1080p @ 5.9") looks sharper... I do see some sort of pattern on the HTC U11 and Mate 9, but it is a more subtle pattern that doesn't jump out at you as much as the XZ Premium.
I am assuming this issue is probably just a combination of the odd pixel layout and whatever sub-pixel interpolation Sony is doing to upscale 1080p to 2160p. It is a little disappointing to see this so easily on the screen.
At first I thought I had a defective phone since every review is talking about the insane ppi and how sharp everything is... I guess there are some people like us who see this pattern more easily than others...
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I'd like to look at a LG G6 screen and compare. It also has a zig-zag pixel pattern.
Strange that no reviewers noticed this pattern on the XZP. I've also tried to load a 4k white image and upon close inspection nothing changed, so I don't thing the up-scaling is to blame here.

Here are pictures of my Mate 9 and U11 for comparison's sake. These patterns are difficult to see with the naked eye unless I look close and very carefully.

I only notice the screen resolution being set tp full hd, try a 4k movie and I don't see any grid like stuff anymore

X10iMark said:
I only notice the screen resolution being set tp full hd, try a 4k movie and I don't see any grid like stuff anymore
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Look at the skie in this 4k video (yes I've setted it in 4k).i can clearly see the pixellation in light colours like in the skie. What about you?
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I can also see the grid on bright/white colors. Very dissapointing for a 4k display with high ppi

I've tried all test device in stores and also see the lines. Even with my own device

remember there is a digitiser in there guys,

dazza9075 said:
remember there is a digitiser in there guys,
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I don't think it's from the digitizer.

deguzman.maru said:
I don't think it's from the digitizer.
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Maybe, maybe not