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LG running Windows Phone 7 Now what to buy ??

Just saw this Video.
http://www.gsmarena.com/lg_handset_running_windows_phone_7_caught_in_the_wild-news-1477.php
The specs are really awesome, 1GB of RAM!!!
Also winmo & looks pretty slick, I was thiking of getting a android phone end of this year. But with this coming up I am not sure what to do. When are they going to come up with phones that can boot multiple OS system. (could have tried palm pre OS too )
The only other phone I heard coming up which would have better specs than this is the HTC scorpion.

Bikram said:
I was thiking of getting a android phone end of this year.
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Wait until it's time to upgrade, then ask again.
It makes zero sense to think about this now. A lot will change until the end of the year (lots of Android phones coming out and LG will not be the only company making WP7 devices).

Bikram said:
Just saw this Video.
http://www.gsmarena.com/lg_handset_running_windows_phone_7_caught_in_the_wild-news-1477.php
The specs are really awesome, 1GB of RAM!!!
Also winmo & looks pretty slick, I was thiking of getting a android phone end of this year. But with this coming up I am not sure what to do. When are they going to come up with phones that can boot multiple OS system. (could have tried palm pre OS too )
The only other phone I heard coming up which would have better specs than this is the HTC scorpion.
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And here is an HD 2 running WP 7. http://www.winmo.nl/windows-phone-7-series-draait-op-de-htc-hd2/
There are no phones currently out with WP 7, M$ is just testing chassis requirements . It seems the base requirement is going to be a 1 Ghz processor. By the time WP 7 is officially released in 3Q 2010, believe me there will be a bunch of phones from HTC, LG, and others loaded with or upgradable to WP7S.
http://www.htc.com/www/press.aspx?lang=1033&id=124244

That page you linked to is unlikely to be legit, there is no confirmation that the HD2 is able to run Windows Phone 7. In addition, I'm not sure they're going to offer upgrades, because phones like the Toshiba TG02 and K01 are launching with 6.5.3 with no indication of an upgrade.

i think
that hd2 will be your best mobile

chambo622 said:
That page you linked to is unlikely to be legit, there is no confirmation that the HD2 is able to run Windows Phone 7. In addition, I'm not sure they're going to offer upgrades, because phones like the Toshiba TG02 and K01 are launching with 6.5.3 with no indication of an upgrade.
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The site is legit, it is the Dutch Engaget or Boy Genius Report, whether the pics are legit or not, who knows, but all the US rumor sites are picking up on them and the general concensus is that the HD 2 has the hardware to be upgradable
http://www.redmondpie.com/htc-hd2-to-get-windows-mobile-7-upgrade-9140128/

Yep, the HD2 specs will be able to handle WM7.

I completely agree that the specs meet the requirements, but the question is whether it will happen (either due to the efforts of HTC or the community here at XDA).

I don't mean to **** in your cheerios or anything. But that site says IF that phone is the RUMORED LG Apollo then it will probably have 1gig ram etc. All that article says for sure is that it's a WM7 phone. I won't hold my breath.

B4 winmo 7 came out, the choice was too obvious, get Android (unless you want break the promises you made to yourself and get an IPHONE). Now my contract finishes beginning of Q3, and I was thinking of getting HTC desire. Now back to confusion, LG 1GB vs HTC desire 512Mb, Android with 20,000 apps Vs Microsoft WiMo. Hopefully we will get more info about winmo 7 soon.

Motorola XT720 Motoroi.
That's what I'm going to buy as my next phone
Bye HD2...

denco7 said:
And here is an HD 2 running WP 7. http://www.winmo.nl/windows-phone-7-series-draait-op-de-htc-hd2/
There are no phones currently out with WP 7, M$ is just testing chassis requirements . It seems the base requirement is going to be a 1 Ghz processor. By the time WP 7 is officially released in 3Q 2010, believe me there will be a bunch of phones from HTC, LG, and others loaded with or upgradable to WP7S.
http://www.htc.com/www/press.aspx?lang=1033&id=124244
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Well now I hear that;s not true http://www.gsmarena.com/htc_hd2_doesnt_qualify_for_a_windows_phone_7_upgrade-news-1479.php
One main thing I was looking forward to in my new phone is high speed processor, 1Ghz. Motoroi is slow too I already have Xperia.

Death to android tablets?

So in azrienoch's latest video he predicts a death to the android tablet platform when windows 8 arrives for tablets and then for the windows phone. Being that windows is easily recognizable to most pc users around the world and the fact that people may just go to windows because of ease of use. Having a tablet and phone that syncs and runs the same programs as their pc may be the great selling point for microsoft. Now, I won't say I agree or disagree as I think he has some interesting arguments. But I can't help but wonder if this has much chance of happening. I am wondering what your thoughts are about the future of android?
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I won't buy one. Anything with windows seems to come with a higher price. Android does everything I need to do on a tablet, if I need to do more I have a desktop.

Android must gain the ability to create,not just to modify docs and the rest ;since then Windows 8 will be for sure a step forward Android.
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I will probably buy a Windows 8 tablet. It is hard to forget that Office is the real killer app for students and enterprise.
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joalo said:
Android must gain the ability to create,not just to modify docs and the rest ;since then Windows 8 will be for sure a step forward Android.
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I do agree that it would be nice to have this feature built in to android, but QuickOffice Pro works nicely for me and I got it free (Thanks Amazon). Also google docs works ok, but needs more features for mobile editing. My G-Tab with a bluetooth or usb keyboard works great for this.

so basically android needs to become more desktop-like...

whether win8 tablet will success depends on the software in the future.
current x86 windows pc apps cannot directly run on a win8 arm tablet.
x86 tablet kills your battery life.

Windows 7 already runs on tablets and yet the iPad sold much more than all tablets running Windows since the XP to this day.
Windows 8 will be atractive, yes, but I don't think anyone can predict the death of Android. Especially since no one really knows how well the metro/desktop relation on apps is going to be accepted by the devs.
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Android squeezes everything in the market share.Knowing they started from scratch and they owned the market already last year.
I personally don't care about Windows 8 tablets.
And people who know nothing about technology either buy a iPad 2 for its name or they buy a Android tablet for its price.

depends on the programs and apps both platform will have.
Unless Google finds a way to port a very functional Word/doc/PPT/Excels processing/editing application, it will continue to have a small marketshare.
That is the only thing that I want in a windows computer.

peacekeeper05 said:
depends on the programs and apps both platform will have.
Unless Google finds a way to port a very functional Word/doc/PPT/Excels processing/editing application, it will continue to have a small marketshare.
That is the only thing that I want in a windows computer.
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Hear, hear.
Google Docs on both the phone and tablet should be much more.
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the3dman said:
I won't buy one. Anything with windows seems to come with a higher price. Android does everything I need to do on a tablet, if I need to do more I have a desktop.
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higher price, and also more restrictions
you will be limited to do all sort of stuff
very Apple like, i hate that in an OS

Some things to consider:
Android tablet sales are minuscule as is, it's a far, far away second choice to the iPad.
There will be 3x+ more Windows 8 installs than there are iPads in just 2 or so years. Windows is windows. 2012 will be a year filled with touch screen all in ones, convertible tablets, touch screen ultra books and of course tablets. All of these machines will be part of an enormous Windows Marketplace powered ecosystem.
Next gen Intel chips are going to be surprisingly efficient. My old Pinetrail netbook only ran hot when playing flash, hell my Nexus S gets hot playing flash. It also got 8+ hours on a single charge. Next years Atoms will run cooler (smaller and SoC) and will have better battery lifes. The GPUs are also immensely improved, better than current Sandybridge. Fan-less designs guaranteed too. People keep talking about ARM Windows 8 tablets but I don't think they'll even be a big deal.
Anyway my point is that I imagine that a majority of the people who are going to buy a real computer/laptop, and they're not getting a Mac/Macbook, will get some type of touch lightweight mobile Windows 8 machine. People will then quickly realize that you don't need a mobile-like (iOS, Android, WebOS, etc) tablet and only the Apple faithful will buy into the iPad. After that Windows tablets will take off and displace Android tablets altogether and have a really, really good shot at dethroning the iPad in the tablet market.
WP7 may grow a little but it wont get close to Android. Android is a puppet for OEMs and Carriers; and that's all it'll take to keep it on top.
PS: I do think that there will be a small market for $200-300 ~7" Android tablets but that may even get displaced by cheap ARM Windows 8 tablets.

The legacy support for Windows tablets seems like a last minute thing, they really didn't put much effort into that. The devices are usually expensive and run outdated hardware, and these devices won't become available til about the end of next year. The thought of someone predicting the end of even Android tablets is silly... Android tablets are really popular, they range from cheap to expensive( from expecting the worse to expecting the best) and the legacy support for apps is great. Besides that, tablets have proven themselves as a mobile device, why are you going to put a bulky operating system on a mobile platform anyways?
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So we have to hope that windows 8 won't run as well as planned?

NicholasQ said:
So we have to hope that windows 8 won't run as well as planned?
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It's Windows. That much is a given.

Upcoming Windows 8 Tablet/Laptops (What about Android?)

As many of you probably know from the coverage at CES, a slew of manufacturers are coming out with Windows 8 laptops that will double as tablets too. For instance, Sony has a model in the making where the screen slides down to become essentially a tablet. Another one is Lenovo, with a laptop where the screen turns all the way around to become a tablet. The one and only problem with these offerings is Windows 8. Sure, I welcome Windows 8 as a laptop OS, I've always used Windows. But when it comes to a phone/tablet OS, I don't really find any Windows offering that intriguing. I dread the thought of leaving Android and ending up with two seperate OS's and sets of apps and such on my phone and tablet. I'm sure as heck not moving to a windows phone anytime soon either.
http://www.theverge.com/2012/1/9/26...o-tablet-prototypes-future-windows-8-hardware
http://www.theverge.com/2012/1/9/26...-windows-8-laptop-that-bends-backwards-into-a
So my questions are, do you guys think some devs will find a way to dual boot Android onto some of these devices? What will you buy for your phone, laptop, and tablet? I've read a few articles where some manufacturers are going to ship out their devices with BOTH Android and Windows 8, but I can't seem to find where I read that, and I don't believe any of the big name manufacturers were the ones doing it.

Android will at least be able to run in a virtual box, likely more. However, android's presence in the tablet market is... Underwhelming at best.

z33dev33l said:
Android will at least be able to run in a virtual box, likely more. However, android's presence in the tablet market is... Underwhelming at best.
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But right now, Windows 8 looks like a bastard child as a tablet OS. Maybe I'm wrong, we'll have to wait and see until it can be auditioned in person. The fact of the matter is that Android has most the market share for phones. People are going to want the same OS on their tablet for the sake of simplicity and not having to learn a whole new OS and buy a whole new set of apps. I'm hoping some of the big names catch on and send the devices with both Android and Win8. That would be a win-win for both the manufacturer and consumer IMO.

I'm looking forward to seeing what android can do once there's more ICS tablets as far as an ecosystem goes, I still think there's a lot of games and programs that they'll lack opposed to the 15+ years of PC games. I'm shocked that there's not a WoW client for android. Despite disliking WoW, it's not very resource heavy and it is massively popular.

I'm still convinced in the end, Win8 will be a hit.

I Am Marino said:
I'm still convinced in the end, Win8 will be a hit.
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I'm excited to have it on my laptop, but I'm not so sure about on a tablet. I hate the thought of having two seperate OS's on my phone and tablet. Viewsonic made a tablet about a year ago that shipped with the ability to dualboot into win7 and android. I hope Sony and others go for that idea...
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tested win8 in a vm from my point of view is the worst windows os yet...

2020legig said:
tested win8 in a vm from my point of view is the worst windows os yet...
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I don't think they can do worst than Vista

The introduction of the Tablet and the continued development of the phone has given consumers more choice, but has also led to more name confusion.
The Tablet is like a Net-book without a keyboard and is a good name because it doesn't include the name of any particular device or application. For example, you can use a Tablet for making phone calls or taking pictures without having to call it a phone or a camera. A Tablet can be any size, for the name just describes the shape and not it's use, though it is generally accepted as being a multi-function device. So keyboard less smart phones can be called Tablets.
Adding a detachable keyboard to a Tablet makes it better for those applications where a keyboard and extra battery and Ports are useful .
So given these extra choices the consumer has to decide which suits them best.

2020legig said:
tested win8 in a vm from my point of view is the worst windows os yet...
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How can anything be worse than Windows ME? My machine I got when ME came out blue screened right out of the box and needed to be restored. ^_^
I think it really depends on the productivity software available for Android and iOS when Windows 8 tablets/laptops start rolling out. I'm running into a lot of people who want to use tablets instead of laptops for their on-the-go work/computing needs.

Really not feeling Windows 8 at all, I think it'll struggle to outdo 7.
However, there will always be people who jump to get the "latest and greatest" software/hardware so I'm sure it'll do fine

Somewhere I read you could turn off the metro style (tiles) of windows 8. But let's face it, touch integration is the way for the future and I read laptops are moving towards both touch screen with the keyboard and trackpad with optional mouse. But to the user referring to tablets attached to keyboard docks. I think these will be much more than that. I think they will have more power than let's say an Asus transformer with a keyboard dock (glorified netbook). Thus I think these will lean more toward the laptop end, just thinner. At least that's what I hope.
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Windows 8 tablets

Do you think windows 8 tablets will pretty much kill this device off? How long to you think it'll take before windows 8 kicks off? Seeing the recent Asus windows 8 tablets with tegra 3, 2GB RAM and dock, it's hard not to regret your purchase...
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I, personally, will never regret not buying a Microsoft product. I did not buy an XBox, will not buy an XBox360 or the next one. I won't buy any computers with Windows installed, and I won't buy any computer parts made by Microsoft. So no, I won't regret this tablet purchase when Windows 8 tablets are released.
And regardless of my personal vendetta against MS, it seems like no one else has/had plans to buy any Windows Phone products. I don't think Windows 8 on a tablet will do any better than Windows Phone 7. But then again, I didn't think anyone would use Windows 7 after the Vista fiasco, so I could be wrong here.

Why the microsoft hate?
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I don't think so. Based on what I've used of Windows 8 and knowing that programs will have to be recompiled/remade for ARM, I think that unless MS makes a considerable effort, we will be seeing WP7 all over again.
I'm sure people will eventually port Android to those tablets, so it probably won't matter in the long run.
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I don't regret my purchase from an o/s standpoint, I use windows on my computer as I need it for work, not by choice. My only regret of my tf300 purchase arising from the the new Asus windows tablet release is the 2gb of ram. That would make such a difference in operating performance. But I would only purchase 2gb on an Android tablet, Window's closed environment really doesn't agree with me.

Yeah, that 2GB RAM is a real crucial factor. I like the fluidity of windows
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David Dee said:
I don't regret my purchase from an o/s standpoint, I use windows on my computer as I need it for work, not by choice. My only regret of my tf300 purchase arising from the the new Asus windows tablet release is the 2gb of ram. That would make such a difference in operating performance. But I would only purchase 2gb on an Android tablet, Window's closed environment really doesn't agree with me.
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I kinda want my tablet to replace a desktop so windows would be good
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The Win 8 ARM tablets probably won't be out until the Fall. After that, I suspect it will take some time for them to gain the sort of critical mass that would really attract developers. I suspect it'll be 12 months to 2 years before they offer everything I'd like to see in a tablet. When that time comes, I'll take a second look at them. I've definitely not got anything against buying a Win 8 tablet.

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Why the microsoft hate?
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In no particular order:
Massive security flaws in nearly all their software - and you can't tell me that the only reason so many Windows virii, worms, etc. exist is because it's popular
And the biggest culprit of the security vulnerabilities is Internet Explorer, which is (was? I haven't used Windows since XP) locked into the operating system
Windows ME
They force vendors who want to sell Windows-based computers to pay a license penalty for every computer sold without Windows, which is one of the biggest reasons Linux-based computers are so rare and usually sold by unknown manufacturers
They are collecting license fees for many Android phones based on bogus patents
Windows ME
Really, I don't even care to think about more reasons. All I can think of is the computer my parents bought with Windows ME. *shudders*

For all it matters looks like Asus is coming out with dual boot Android & windows tablet ...so I fore see that eventually developers will port them onto the transformers ..just wait and be part of the fun that unfolds....similar to my HTC hd2 phone
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Windows 8 tablets probably arent going to take off because they're just as locked down as Apple's stuff. That is, locked bootloaders are a requirement for all Win8 ARM devices and metro apps and other app stores cant be sideloaded. Microsoft is trying to pull an Apple without having the fanbase that would ensure product adoption regardless of their anti-consumer policies.
Even if they do, Android will stay around as a pretty dominant player by default since there's always going to be a group that wants freedom to use their devices as they wish.

I don't know about that. Some Android manufacturers are locking things down pretty hardcore *cough*motorola*cough, which makes them not so different from Apple.

I'm definately interested in these windows 8 tabs and I think that they could make a splash in the quite "linear" market of today.
However I do also agree with some earlier posts in that while the Windows tablet market will surely benefit (how could it NOT its nonexistent right now) I don't think their smartphone situation will get any better and I doubt that the desktop market will benefit from a huge overhaul of the classic layouts. I mean lets face it, so many people use windows just because its windows. Not actually because they want to and if windows changes then I think a lot of people will leave regardless of the 'desktop mode' built into metro.
Just my 2¢
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EndlessDissent said:
I don't know about that. Some Android manufacturers are locking things down pretty hardcore *cough*motorola*cough, which makes them not so different from Apple.
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Sure, but there's also precedent in that HTC stopped locking their bootloaders after public outcry from power users. Even if Win8 takes off, some company will still sell open hardware. So long as there's a market, someone will cater to it.

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I don't know about that. Some Android manufacturers are locking things down pretty hardcore *cough*motorola*cough, which makes them not so different from Apple.
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Even if they try to lock down their devices in many cases the dev communities will find a way to unlock them. And I doubt that's going to change any time soon.
I also think there will always be good companies that will release bootloader unlocks *cough* Asus and HTC *cough* and I think with Google's recent acquiring of Motorola I don't think they'll be as locked down as before
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Jotokun said:
Sure, but there's also precedent in that HTC stopped locking their bootloaders after public outcry from power users. Even if Win8 takes off, some company will still sell open hardware. So long as there's a market, someone will cater to it.
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The issue with Windows 8 isn't the hardware manufacturer, it's Microsoft. If you want to sell a device with Windows 8 the bootloader HAS to be locked.
here's the article here on XDA http://goo.gl/rq4yw
I suppose bootlaoders COULD be unlocked, but UEFI might make things interesting.
And as for porting Windows 8 to other devices, that's fine if there is a walk through on how to do it, but dev's cant' just hand out pre-built roms with Windows 8 without violating copyright laws as you have to have a license to legally run Windows.
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haha won't let it go huh?
Seriously though, i don't blame you, with ME and ME 2.0 (vista) it just proves that they can't all be winners.
Personally i have no issues with Windows 7 and use it as my daily OS both at work and at home.
Windows 8 is going to cause issues when it's released, especially in the desktop market, people are going to freak out when they see Metro on their shiny new computer. I think Microsoft needs to build in some sort of auto detection for touch panels, if there isn't one, default to the classic desktop / start menu.

I love Win7, use it both at work and at home, and it's just a really good, solid, stable OS.
That said, I don't regret buying my Transformer with Android at all, for all the reasons stated above.
1) read the articles on that new hybrid tablet, it's riddled with air vents. It runs hot like a volcano and chews up batteries worse than the gameboy from my childhood. (oh you poor, poor aa batteries, you never stood a chance.)
2) it's locked down just as bad as apple. Sad to see them go this route. It's strange that in one product (the kinect) they leave it wide open and encourage hacking and user development, but then in other products (win8 on tablets, what are they calling it, some retarded name like RT or some ****?) they completely lock it down.
3) no dev support, and I don't see much coming in the near future.
4) It's a first gen product, almost all first gen products suck. at least for the tech world.
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Interesting discussion here. Google is obviously well aware of the potential threat from Windows 8 and it looks like they have begun their countering strategy:
Announced at noon today - Google Acquires Mobile Productivity Company Quickoffice - http://techcrunch.com/2012/06/05/google-acquires-mobile-productivity-company-quickoffice/
It will be interesting how Google will utilize this capability. Free native integration? Could be costly as they still have to pay licensing obligations to Microsoft around this software. Whatever it is, I have complete faith Google will provide a very attractive alternative to Windows 8. When it comes to innovation, I have no doubt in my mind which of the two companies comes out miles ahead.

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The issue with Windows 8 isn't the hardware manufacturer, it's Microsoft. If you want to sell a device with Windows 8 the bootloader HAS to be locked.
here's the article here on XDA http://goo.gl/rq4yw
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That is true, that was my point in the first post I made in this thread. I was more pointing out that Android and flexible hardware to run it aren't going anywhere so long as its unchallenged in being a more free (as in speech) alternative.
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Interesting discussion here. Google is obviously well aware of the potential threat from Windows 8 and it looks like they have begun their countering strategy:
Announced at noon today - Google Acquires Mobile Productivity Company Quickoffice - http://techcrunch.com/2012/06/05/google-acquires-mobile-productivity-company-quickoffice/
It will be interesting how Google will utilize this capability. Free native integration? Could be costly as they still have to pay licensing obligations to Microsoft around this software. Whatever it is, I have complete faith Google will provide a very attractive alternative to Windows 8. When it comes to innovation, I have no doubt in my mind which of the two companies comes out miles ahead.
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That is interesting. Quickoffice has easily the best office suite for Android, if Google were to polish it up (and not gut its non-cloud capabilities) it could easily become a much more serious competitor to MS Office and, in turn make Android a better alternative to Win8 for productivity.

I think another thing to consider is the enterprise world. In giant corporations all over the world, employees are begging for tablets. IT departments are hesitant to give them Android or ipads. If a Windows 8 tablet does a lot to satisfy the IT departments of companies all over the world, I could see a lot of adoption coming from there.
RIM is pretty much dead nowadays, but that's how they made their (now gone) zillions.
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WP8 ....made by developers for WP7.x

Okay im not a tech savvy person here but...
HD2 was able to switch from WinMobile 6.5 to Android to WinPhone 7
Is there anything preventing developers from making an unofficial port of wp7 to wp8?
Is the core structure that vast that we cant repeat history like the HD2?
Who knows, maybe HD2 will be the first to run unofficial WP8 XDD
Just a theory, feel free to debunk me straight away

With the change in kernel, it is nearly impossible i think
HD2 was able to run WP just because it was a WM 6.5 device and WM6.5 and WP7 share the same Windows CE kernel

I think we will only be able to get to WP 7.8 due to the CE to NT kernel change
(but even that will hopefully give us the full Skype integration that I want so much and a multitude of other features)

Windows Phone 7 and Android have different kernels and both run on the HD7 (or HD2, I don't remember)
This "kernel" talk is complete bull****. Just replace the kernel with one that supports legacy hardware and it's done. Windows RT runs on ARM and our WP7.5 phones are just that. The ones with WP8 too. The ONLY difference is the extra core.

What kind of kernel?
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Just replace the kernel with one that supports legacy hardware and it's done. Windows RT runs on ARM and our WP7.5 phones are just that.
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I don't understand: What kernel supporting legacy hardware are you talking about here? Where will this come from, who will provide it?
I think we are right at the center of the problem here: Of course Microsoft could provide all kinds of device drivers for WP8 so that it could run on current WP7 phones, but decided against it - probably just too much costly work with almost no gain or even active opposition from manufacturers who want to sell new phones.

Yeah its got to be about getting the new devices sold, increase the market share. Besides, The gpu's and ram in our current phones won't be able to keep up with the new devices even when the new core with its native code stuff comes. Its like trying to run a new game on an old computer, it will load up fine but it'll run so slow it'd be unplayable. I believe that wp7.5 is pushing our current hardware to the limits
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Hard to say
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Its like trying to run a new game on an old computer, it will load up fine but it'll run so slow it'd be unplayable.
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Right, old computer, like the Lumia 900's that appear in the stores right now, born in factories at most a few weeks ago
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That's really hard to say without anyone actually trying to run WP8 on a current WP7 phone; on the PC front, Windows 8 seems to be faster on the same hardware than Windows 7. And many times and in many apps the CPU inside your phone is boring itself to death anyway because it has so few things to do.

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Windows Phone 7 and Android have different kernels and both run on the HD7 (or HD2, I don't remember)
This "kernel" talk is complete bull****. Just replace the kernel with one that supports legacy hardware and it's done. Windows RT runs on ARM and our WP7.5 phones are just that. The ones with WP8 too. The ONLY difference is the extra core.
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You're talking about this: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1483377
HD2 was able to boot Android (linux kernel) just because of the support of HaRET. Nothing can be done on it own.
And do remember that "famous HTC devices that are capable of running HaRET are the QSD8250 based HTC HD2 and a wide range of MSM7xxA based phones like the diamond, raphael and touch pro 2". Right now only the HD2 is still alive and its QSD8250 will be outdated soon.
You're talking about replacement like it's so easy. Changing kernel means every vendor has to rewrite everything from scratch including drivers for their devices. WP8 is designed to run on this new kernel (not the old kernel) so it does not support current devices. That's fair i think.
That's what we call changing (unlike 'changing' on Android or iOS, changing every now and then but nothing's new). Just hope that MS wont change too often.
Anyway, it's just only an announcement. The exact date of releasing WP8 is unknown. Right now, we still holding a device that runs a good OS. And even when WP8 is released, my phone's still doing something 'pretty much WP8' with 7.8 update. And can do that until i can afford a WP8 device or when everyone is switching. But that the story of at least 1 year from now.

"Right, old computer, like the Lumia 900's that appear in the stores right now, born in factories at most a few weeks ago "
Maybe not old, but ****ty hardware for sure, that won't run on on the new Windows Phone 8 because its more hardware hungry.
If we could get Windows Phone 8 onto some of the newer android handsets, especially the HTC One X, it would be AWESOME!

Tom_H_ said:
"Right, old computer, like the Lumia 900's that appear in the stores right now, born in factories at most a few weeks ago "
Maybe not old, but ****ty hardware for sure, that won't run on on the new Windows Phone 8 because its more hardware hungry.
If we could get Windows Phone 8 onto some of the newer android handsets, especially the HTC One X, it would be AWESOME!
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That would be more realistic )

I think the main issue for MS is that kernel changes require flashing ROMS - high risk of bricking and WAY beyond the ability of most of their market. So why would they invest that level of development in a small niche market that potentially undermines their own market (look at the crossover between developers and hackers/crackers lol). You need to look at the commercial sense of their decisions not your own needs.
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complete faith although ?S
I have complete faith wp8 or an adjusted version of wp8 will be cooked to run on our gen2 devices, heck remember seeing froyo run on the tmobile g1?
And I think that will give our phones better resale value when we do decide to purchase a wp8 handset, i know that's my semi long term goal when I upgrate my handset.
but what I want to know is and i'm not sure if it was covered in the press announcements, say you continue using your gen2 device, will all new upcoming wp8 apps stop working altogether?
for instance what if instagram, pandora, words with friends (which i know is coming) although engineered and designed for wp8 because yes i know its being rewritten differently, will they not work at all on wp7.8?
that's my semi concern, since they were finally able to hspl my titan and once the wp8 sdk (is that what it's called?) gets dumped and chefs get their hands on it, will it only be a matter of time before it is ported to our handsets as well?
I think what msft should have made absolutely clear and i'm not sure if they covered it or if i missed something, if they said "continue using your 7.8 device all apps written in the future will be usable on these devices" if that's the case people shouldn't worry and simply wait for their 2 year carrier contracts to expire and finally upgrade.
the only thing that prevents me from keeping my titan for long term use is that i really really need expandable storage.

@pvt_nemesis: Every single OS or firmware update has the same risk of breaking ("bricking" is a little strong, since it's technically recoverable, but people seem to use the term less strictly these days) a phone as the full kernel flash that you're talking about. There's nothing magical about an OS kernel. The WP7 kernel has almost certainly been replaced at least once by an update already (I'm pretty sure Mango updated part of the kernel).
Cooking a custom ROM of WP8 for WP7 hardware will mostly depend on the availability of drivers, I think. Unlike the current custom ROMs, which take their drivers from current ROMs, the switch from CE to NT will make all the WP7 drivers useless for WP8 ROMs. Therefore, we'll need WP8 (NT-on-ARM) drivers for the hardware of out WP7 devices... and there's no guarantee that it'll be available. It might, though.