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What does prime 1.6 offer over stock 3.1 root?

I haven't flashed to any Tom's yet, but this seems to be the most popular. Why is that? I looked at the change log and I don't understand what I would be gaining I guess.
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same too me, I tried it over 3.1, what I experienced:
- browser little bit slower
- more SOD
- nothing real extra feature

I have to use a custom rom for a couple of reasons:
1) My stock rom is the Chinese verison, which means no google apps or google sync. Without google, it's just not android.
2) I need the Chinese input methods. I would normally switch to the USA stock rom, but it doesn't have Chinese input. Prime does/did, Chinese handwriting input is MIA, but I'll sure it will be taken care of.
I choose to use a custom rom for these reasons:
3) I don't like excess crap on my computer. I can modify a custom rom before I install it, mostly just removing apps that I will never use.
4) Root! I love freedom on my computer. Root lets me do things. All kinds of neat things: block ads, increase speed on sd card, delete/modify system apps and directories, and lots more. Look into it, it is fun.
5) Overclock. Prime doesn't have it, but you can add a kernal that does. I currently don't overclock, but as the Tegra 2 ages, i will overclock it. I'm specifically waiting for a rom with a high GPU overclock. There is one out there that currently does have a minor GPU overclock.
6) Clockwork Recovery. Backup, restore, switch roms, clear cache and more.
Why I choose Prime:
7) Dock battery meter in the taskbar.
8) Reboot/recovery options for power button.
After looking through the current selection of roms available, I choose Prime. But I keep my eye on revolver and Clemsyn.

bobloadmire said:
I haven't flashed to any Tom's yet, but this seems to be the most popular. Why is that? I looked at the change log and I don't understand what I would be gaining I guess.
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How do you not? OP clearly states that there are optimizations made to increase load times etc etc.

No, op states "better user experience" which is very vague. Also I'm not having any slow load times, everything is pretty zippy.
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bobloadmire said:
I haven't flashed to any Tom's yet, but this seems to be the most popular. Why is that? I looked at the change log and I don't understand what I would be gaining I guess.
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Last time I flashed a Tom he punched me in the face...
One reason I haven't seen mentioned would also be themes, but it is still early in the game, there are few options. Custom Roms are generally just optimized better, though the Transformer doesn't have nearly the bloat some Android devices have making them almost essential...
Honestly once you learn, it is such an easy process that flashing different roms/kernels and trying them is the only real way to know what is best for you and your usage.

bobloadmire said:
No, op states "better user experience" which is very vague. Also I'm not having any slow load times, everything is pretty zippy.
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Then why are you worrying about ROMs? It's obvious you want some of that Baconcomb so just get it already.
Honestly, I don't know why people ever need to "beg" you to try something. If you're happy with what you got already, then be happy.
"If it isn't broken, don't fix it"
If you're curious, then just do it... because all in honesty. One person's opinion is only a opinion. The only way you're going to know if it's worth it is from YOUR personal experience. I can personally say that, PRIME 1.6 and root is good and its worth it.
If you don't want to take my word for it, then don't. I'm not going to beg you to do it.

zephiK said:
Then why are you worrying about ROMs? It's obvious you want some of that Baconcomb so just get it already.
Honestly, I don't know why people ever need to "beg" you to try something. If you're happy with what you got already, then be happy.
"If it isn't broken, don't fix it"
If you're curious, then just do it... because all in honesty. One person's opinion is only a opinion. The only way you're going to know if it's worth it is from YOUR personal experience. I can personally say that, PRIME 1.6 and root is good and its worth it.
If you don't want to take my word for it, then don't. I'm not going to beg you to do it.
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The reason im asking is so i dont miss out on anything and obviously im looking for empiracle data to help me understand any performance benefits.
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zephiK said:
Then why are you worrying about ROMs? It's obvious you want some of that Baconcomb so just get it already.
Honestly, I don't know why people ever need to "beg" you to try something. If you're happy with what you got already, then be happy.
"If it isn't broken, don't fix it"
If you're curious, then just do it... because all in honesty. One person's opinion is only a opinion. The only way you're going to know if it's worth it is from YOUR personal experience. I can personally say that, PRIME 1.6 and root is good and its worth it.
If you don't want to take my word for it, then don't. I'm not going to beg you to do it.
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Wow...
He asked what was the difference between stock and Prime, and you went off in another direction. He wasn't asking to be "begged" into using Prime nor asking for others to convince him into using Prime at all.
Anyways, I know Prime has a few optimizations, but I don't know if it brings any substantial changes. There's a link to download the power/recovery mod, so I suppose it could be applied to any ROM including rooted stock.

One reason I would like to root my tf101 is to be able to use a USB dongle. But I am waiting for 3.2 to come out before since I just got my tf101.
The stock version is pretty good actually. No major complaints so far.

I hav ebeen using Prime for a while but ASUS stock version is definitely quite good. Even more so for lack of garbageware that so plagues the mobile phones...

Yea I guess I'm in the same camp. I haven't seen a compelling reason to move to a different ROM versus rooted stock. There are too many posts that seem to lead users to believe that a different ROM is the same as root. Remember you can root the stock ROM. The OP is asking what user experience enhancements make Prime (or any other ROM) compelling.

If you read changelog second post it will tell you exactly what's new in the ROM. Many changes are only useful for experienced linux users, but many others are useful for everyone. The nice thing about roms is that most of the things and tweaks are already done for you. If you don't need/care about those changes then there is no point for you to reflash.

Which BXX mod did you get ?
I'm curious because I'm thinking of picking up one of these today ( the guy at Orifice Depot tried to get me to buy an Iconia, but that thing doesn't have anywhere near the support the TF is getting...)....?

Manufacturer's (ASUS included) have to be very careful about their ROM releases so they are thoroughly tested and ready to release to the general public. Consequently they are slower to release updates (i.e. NVidia updates, etc.). Custom ROMs generally consolidate the best and latest releases from various manufacturer's into the most cuttest edge versions you can possibly be running. As you'll notice this can also mean more lock-ups and weird issues since you are getting just-available changes. So if you prefer max stability, stick with the manufacturer's updates. For many of us part of the fun of owning an Android tablet is the rapid pace that custom ROMs are put out and the interesting/quirky things they bring us.

marcelol said:
I'm curious because I'm thinking of picking up one of these today ( the guy at Orifice Depot tried to get me to buy an Iconia, but that thing doesn't have anywhere near the support the TF is getting...)....?
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I got a B60 TF and a B60 dock from my local OD this past weekend (Denver, CO).

Prime Vs Stock
Reason why I flashed the Prime Rom. With Prime and a netflix patch I'm able to stream netflix movie. Also now Adhoc connections work. I can Wifi tehther my TF101 with my Driod using the adhoc connection. I can now easily reboot into recovery prior to this going into recovery was a bit tricky. This was not possible even with HC 3.2. Also I don't have to worry about losing root becuase of an OTA update.

I am actually a flashaholic when it comes to flashing roms on my phone. But so far, I haven't come across any compelling reasons to flash custom roms on my transformer. The need to flash roms on phones offer benefits that are non existant on a tablet. For instance, one major reason to flash custom roms on phones is to enable free wifi tethering, which obviously does not apply here. Another reason, as stated above is to remove bloatware. The transformer doesn't really have that. And yet another reason is to be able to update to the latest Android version before the official release. Correct me if i'm wrong but when I looked, the 3.2 update came out officially before any transformer custom roms had it. There are a couple more minor customizations options that I'm not seeing yet being offered by the transformer roms. I am fully aware of the speed enhancements and optimizations that custom roms offer, but considering the custom roms for the transformer are still relatively new (no disrespect or discredit to the devs for their hard work), and considering that even still now, the rooting and flashing methods keep getting outdated and changed, it's too early in this ballgame for me to flash.

I've been lurking the forums here now for a month and finally pulled the trigger, my TF get's here monday.
I have yet to see any reason to flash a custom rom or even root at this point. I'll be rooting it just to say it's rooted and just for a couple of root only programs I have. The custom roms don't really bring anything to the table that this tablet doesn't have. it has the newest version of android with all the bells and whistles. I'm not going to be overclocking. I understand netflix is big for some people, but, from what I have read flashing the fix breaks some video playback. I'm ok to wait for the official netflix patch. A 32gb MicroSD and the 16gb on board space is plenty to store movies on for travel etc. I also have a server I run at home that will stream my entire movie,. TV, and music collections directly to me.
Having the best of the best and the most up to date version of android does have it's perks

[Q] Custom rom on tablet vs custom rom on phone

Hey guys,
I have been through a plethora of custom ROMs on my galaxy s captivate - ranging from CM7 to MIUI and what not.
Some major features of those roms are:
-removed carrier bloatware
-improved speed
-custom user interfaces (such as CM7 and MIUI)
However, given the fact that the transformer does not include carrier crapware, does not suffer from performance issues, do you guys deem it worth it to install a custom firmware?
On a phone, once rooted you can easily flash between firmwares and such; however on this table you do need to go through the trouble of un-rooting for a simple software update.
Can you guys convince me that it is actually worth my time to install a custom firmware?
P.S. as the transformer pad stock firmware is already very snappy, do you notice performance improvements?
thanks a lot

Looking at the prime 1.8.2 page, there doesn't seem to be any jaw-dropping features. That is very unlike some phone custom roms;
where the moment you see the thread, you might twitch on the ground foaming at the mouth untill you get it running on your phone.

mediumsteak said:
On a phone, once rooted you can easily flash between firmwares and such; however on this table you do need to go through the trouble of un-rooting for a simple software update.
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Its no different on a tablet. I have never unroot to update firmware. My tablet was 3.0 when I bought it, its now ruining 3.2
You simply wait for the rooted/custom rom to implement the update than you flash. On the phone when you run custom rom you don't get ota update, you flash an updated version of the rom you are running its like that also on the tablet.
As far as different in rom between phone and tablet.
-phone custom rom usually get features and functions ported from other devices or they get lots of stuffs that's not native to the phone.
Take Cyanogen for ex, rich in features and functions. S truer custom rom.
-most tablet custom rom doesn't get much ported over but some does get things stock rom don't have. Example is rooted/custom rom like Prime, we've been enjoying netflix for a while now but stock rom just now getting it.
Tablet rom are mostly tweaked stock rom
I do wish there was cyanogen for the tf

Actually, CM7 doesn't have any ported UI, it uses ADW Launcher from the market.
Also, we may get touchwiz UX port very soon, there is a thread in the developers' subforum

I just rooted mine a couple days ago, then installed Prime for the NetFlix. Then the update comes out! Come on!! Not that I'm unhappy with the overclocking ability now... but COME ON! (in the voice of Gob).

There's not really a need to install a custom ROM since they're just slightly modded versions of the stock firmware. They usually just provide little fixes and updated firmware, which you'd get eventually anyway.

mediumsteak said:
Hey guys,
I have been through a plethora of custom ROMs on my galaxy s captivate - ranging from CM7 to MIUI and what not.
Some major features of those roms are:
-removed carrier bloatware
-improved speed
-custom user interfaces (such as CM7 and MIUI)
However, given the fact that the transformer does not include carrier crapware, does not suffer from performance issues, do you guys deem it worth it to install a custom firmware?
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Part of the reason you aren't seeing really tweaked out ROMs on tablet is the fact that Google has not, and will not release the source code for Honeycomb. Once ice cream sandwich comes out and Asus releases the source watch the ROM love'n come flooding out of the gates. But until then meh. I'm on the fence on rooting mine since I desperately want Netflix on my transformer, but meh. Rather not brick it right now just to get another rebaked existing ROM.

[Q] Why lack of ROMs / Root even worth it?

Hello everyone,
I just got my TF300T last night and it is a great tablet. Before I do anything (upgrade to Jellybean, etc) I am wondering why it seems there isn't much development for the tablet. I have had a couple android tablets and phones, and have rooted all of them for custom ROMs and such, but it almost seems like that's not really done a whole lot here. I just read one thread where the stock ROM was preferred by a good deal over any other ROM. Is there any reason for this? Any particular reasons I should still root, other than installing custom ROMs and kernels?
Thanks for your input.

dman918 said:
Hello everyone,
I just got my TF300T last night and it is a great tablet. Before I do anything (upgrade to Jellybean, etc) I am wondering why it seems there isn't much development for the tablet. I have had a couple android tablets and phones, and have rooted all of them for custom ROMs and such, but it almost seems like that's not really done a whole lot here. I just read one thread where the stock ROM was preferred by a good deal over any other ROM. Is there any reason for this? Any particular reasons I should still root, other than installing custom ROMs and kernels?
Thanks for your input.
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Rooting is not required to install a rom, most non stock roms are rooted when you install ( they require you to unlock and void warranty ). If you wish to stay stock and don't see a need for root then don't do it.
If I could begin again I would stay on ICS for a time longer. I think good things for this unit are around the next corner.
Devs are working hard to make this happen. The JB bootloader has caused problems with most roms we are accustomed to. Once on JB you can't go back to ICS ( at this time ).
Good Luck!

Thank you for the response. How would I load TWRP onto the tablet then? I know people are suggesting not to unlock the tablet's bootloader unless I have to, so I'd prefer not to.
I figure if I go to JB, I'd load something like CleanROM as people seem to be quite happy with it.
Any additional information is greatly appreciated.

You need to unlock your tablet if u want to install a Rom and recovery

Oh ok. Gotcha. So then I think I know which guide I have to use. Thank you for your help and clarification.

OK, unlocked and such. Loaded CleanROM. Running well so far, but now I have to research ROMs to see which reigns supreme.

Cleanrom is the best for with unt's kernel
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dman918 said:
OK, unlocked and such. Loaded CleanROM. Running well so far, but now I have to research ROMs to see which reigns supreme.
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Since you are now on the JB bootloader here is a thread to watch as there will be a new rom coming, don't hold your breath. The reason for the breath statement is this is a big undertaking. It will allow numerous other roms you don't now see in the dev section. Everything now available on JB is based on the stock kernel, this should overcome that limitation.
AOSP, AOKP, Paranoid Android, and so on
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1942369
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stock optimized for combination with keyboard dock
dman918 said:
Hello everyone,
I just got my TF300T last night and it is a great tablet. Before I do anything (upgrade to Jellybean, etc) I am wondering why it seems there isn't much development for the tablet. I have had a couple android tablets and phones, and have rooted all of them for custom ROMs and such, but it almost seems like that's not really done a whole lot here. I just read one thread where the stock ROM was preferred by a good deal over any other ROM. Is there any reason for this? Any particular reasons I should still root, other than installing custom ROMs and kernels?
Thanks for your input.
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For me personally, I prefer using a stock-based ROM over the AOSP based ROM for day to day use. The reason is really simple, and that is the keyboard dock works much better on the stock based ROM. In CM10, for example, the lock/unlock button on the keyboard doesn't work. Also, closing the tablet and the keyboard does not result in the screen turning off automatically (you have to manually press the power button whenever you want to close the tab-dock). If you forget to do this, the battery takes a hit. As well, the mouse cursor in AOSP ROM is not exactly a "cursor", more like a giant circle (it's the default touch indicator in android). I use the keyboard dock a lot for drafting my college assignments, so stock-based Roms are perfect for me.

sosroz said:
For me personally, I prefer using a stock-based ROM over the AOSP based ROM for day to day use. The reason is really simple, and that is the keyboard dock works much better on the stock based ROM. In CM10, for example, the lock/unlock button on the keyboard doesn't work. Also, closing the tablet and the keyboard does not result in the screen turning off automatically (you have to manually press the power button whenever you want to close the tab-dock). If you forget to do this, the battery takes a hit. As well, the mouse cursor in AOSP ROM is not exactly a "cursor", more like a giant circle (it's the default touch indicator in android). I use the keyboard dock a lot for drafting my college assignments, so stock-based Roms are perfect for me.
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I've noticed the same thing with the closing the tab-dock issue. When I turn off my screen and close it, the screen turns back on right before the tab touches the dock to close, so I have to turn it off again right before closing it to prevent random stuff from opening up/battery draining.
Other than that, I've had great fun playing with the various ROMs. I ran CM9 for the longest time but I switched recently to the Blackbean ROM. Its based on CM9 so it has all the features I like, but its all black/inverted so its better for battery and a lot easier to read in bed at night.
CleanROM is good, so is HydroROM, but I've found that I really enjoy the speed and efficiency of some of these other custom ROMS.

CleanRom 2.3 or CM10 nigthly? can't decide.

I would like to know which one performs best or if its based on preference. I know the developers have made an outstanding job making these roms but I can't decide on wich one. Comments and opinions are highly appreciated!

itrof61 said:
I would like to know which one performs best or if its based on preference. I know the developers have made an outstanding job making these roms but I can't decide on wich one. Comments and opinions are highly appreciated!
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Here is my short opinion:
Performance=about the same
Stable=Cleanrom(zero bug for me), CM10=buggy.
Features=CM10 (more bells and whistles
So if you just want a stable fast rom then use Cleanrom with Clemsy Kernel and data2sd...you're flying.
If you want to play with feature sets (looking for cool things) then go with CM10

What kind of cool things?
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Thanks!!

sai561 said:
What kind of cool things?
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Like vol button control camera zoom in/out...Currently, not much, since there are many bugs, but the goal for CM10 here is (once all the bugs are done), to have all the bells and whistles (like stuff on note2 may be implement here). For Cleanrom the OP would like to stick to STOCK as much as possible.

I had Baked Bean a long time and decided to try CleanRom 2.3 and did so by first updating my hboot via the official jb. Changed kernel to Clemsyn's build 22 and boy my tab is flying! Turned Forced GPU rendering on too and its blazing performance wise. Baked beans got more customizing for you. Bit I'll stick with this setup for a while.
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Clemsyns kernel can be used with cleanrom 2.3 right?
Im asking because it says cm10 version in the tread.

sai561 said:
Clemsyns kernel can be used with cleanrom 2.3 right?
Im asking because it says cm10 version in the tread.
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Here ya go Click this ones for cleanrom 2.3

Cleanrom zero bugs here.

OK, here is a question. Is there a difference between stock and non-stock roms in how the device deals with the keyboard dock?
Also, non-stock will be missing the ASUS customized settings, correct? So what does that mean for the screen saver, dock-unlock, system performance settings, touchpad options, etc?

GaryParr said:
OK, here is a question. Is there a difference between stock and non-stock roms in how the device deals with the keyboard dock?
Also, non-stock will be missing the ASUS customized settings, correct? So what does that mean for the screen saver, dock-unlock, system performance settings, touchpad options, etc?
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Clean Rom has everything (apps / user settings) just as stock.

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Clean Rom has everything (apps / user settings) just as stock.
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Right, because it is based on stock. I was more asking about non-stock such as CM, AOSP or AOKP.

GaryParr said:
OK, here is a question. Is there a difference between stock and non-stock roms in how the device deals with the keyboard dock?
Also, non-stock will be missing the ASUS customized settings, correct? So what does that mean for the screen saver, dock-unlock, system performance settings, touchpad options, etc?
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To answer your question:
1. Yes, in that the CM/AOSP/AOKP ROMs do not properly support most keyboard shortcut keys, and some of them do funky things with the volume keys on the tablet as well.
2. Non-stock ROMs: No screen saver; dock unlock works fine, but see point 1 above. System performance settings: some work more or less okay, others do not. CPU scaling seems unreliable. Brightness settings varies as well: some report the highest brightness available being Super IPS+, others say the highest brightness is significantly less bright than that. I have no other light meters available than those that Nature gave me (meh ), so I wouldn't be able to definitively tell you. The touchpad cannot be disabled on non-stock ROMs (which is THE most important dealbreaker for me). Sound sometimes is funky as well.
I'm very happy with CleanROM (except for those dodgy notifications).

How big of a difference in speed and fluidity is there between stock JB and CleanROM 2.3?

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How big of a difference in speed and fluidity is there between stock JB and CleanROM 2.3?
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I do not believe in benchmarking (far too artificial), so I do not have hard numbers for you. On stock JB, I still saw I/O issues, even when transferring relatively small files. I transferred over 6 GB of files yesterday (e-books, specifically, lots of 'em) and it was fast -- the pauses have been reduced to very, very minor instances on CleanROM 2.3.
Fluidity... Very subjective. I was blown away by the smoothness of CleanROM 2.2, and told Scott I did not believe he could further improve on that. He just smiled. He did it again with 2.3 -- he has made some incredible strides. I haven't tried the latest and greatest ASUS stock JB ROM, however -- it might have improved on fluidity significantly. The only way to tell is to test it yourself.
My expectation, based on experience with the stock ROMs: they're built more for reliability than for speed or fluidity (relatively speaking), so I'm not even considering letting CleanROM go.
Hope it helps, even if a tiny bit.

Thanks! Yes it does. I'm picking up the 64gb next week so I guess I can just install the JB stock first before I switch over to CleanROM.

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I can just install the JB stock first before I switch over to CleanROM.
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NO! WRONG WRONG WRONG!
You're not actually wrong at all about the upgrade/rom sequence you should flash but I wanted to make sure I had your attention. I don't know how much you've scoured the forums, but for the love of god use NVFlash before you install any updates, linked here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1901479
This essentially makes a device-specific backup that can be restored no matter what you do to the device software-wise. As the thread points out, it is an absolute failsafe against any and all softbricks.
This process is incompatible with the bootloader packaged with stock JB, so it's essential that you use NVFlash first. You can use the backup you'll create with the new bootloader once you do upgrade, but you won't be able to make one in the first place if you OTA first. If you don't do this before JB and something goes awry with flashing, you're totally out of luck. Especially with the warranty you're giving up.
In summary you'll want to go:
NVFlash -> Stock JB -> CleanRom
Sorry for the drama I neglected to do this before JB, and I'm still kicking myself. I also realize there's a solid chance you know all of this already and are rolling your eyes at the three-post junior member right now. I figure the risk of sounding condescending is worth it if I could save someone else the hassle.
Best of luck!

B00T_Sp0rk said:
Sorry for the drama I neglected to do this before JB, and I'm still kicking myself. I also realize there's a solid chance you know all of this already and are rolling your eyes at the three-post junior member right now. I figure the risk of sounding condescending is worth it if I could save someone else the hassle.
Best of luck!
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No apologies necessary the risk WAS worth it! I had only started scouting the TF700 forum and did not realize I would have ended up screwing myself just like I had with my HOXL. Thanks for the heads up!

Was it a mistake changing to Android?

Hello developers!
First i know how much u hate it when someone just post a new thread without checking the fourms, but I assure u that i read carefully all the related subject n still I couldn't find answers :/
I've been always an Apple person and I am really satisfied with the ease of use and performance, somehow whileI I was looking for a tablet to update my old iPad a friend of mine was able to convince me that I should get an Android, and I end up buying Asus Tf700, of course after hours n hours of reading reviews n stuff and on the paper it's waaaaaaaay better than any other tablet, even the new iPad!! But still, on the PAPER
I really disappointed with the performance and the terrible lag even with the simplest task (like scrolling down a website or pinch zoom in/out) and it keeps crashing and freezing for no reason
Everyone here recommends rooting and unlocking, and since this is my first Android Iam really confused
Root, rom,flash,kernel, unlock, OTA .. bla bla ...too much complicated info and procedures for a noob!!
I want my device to work like how they claim it should (ASUS ppl) .. very smooth with no lag or crashes .. but on the other hand i don't want to lose any of it's features (camera, GPS) .. should I update to jb? Should I stay with ICS?
N how??
Sorry for the long post!:cyclops:

dr.hawk said:
First i know how much u hate it when someone just post a new thread without checking the fourms
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Yes, especially when someone does not even read the forum rules, the moderator's sticky thread and posts a question in "Development" instead of "Q&A".
dr.hawk said:
I've been always an Apple person ...
Everyone here recommends rooting and unlocking, and since this is my first Android Iam really confused
Root, rom,flash,kernel, unlock, OTA .. bla bla ...too much complicated info and procedures for a noob!!
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Yes, you made a mistake changing to Android. It's not (yet) ready for end users, especially the TF700. Return it as long as you can and buy the new iPad.

If you are just looking for a device without lags and stutters then go for iOS.
But if you want/have to do things iOS can't do then go for Android and search for solutions for lag or live with it.
Android is sure the best smartphone os (Widgets, Launchers ,Tasker, Swype,...) but on tablets... I really don't know.
I love my Transformer but I mostly use it for surfing and gaming so maybe the iPad would have been the better choice.
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Or don't by Asus... Get a Nexus 7 or 10.That's the route he should've taken. Asus just released a bad device. To sit here and say Android isn't ready for end users is bologna..
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_that said:
Yes, especially when someone does not even read the forum rules, the moderator's sticky thread and posts a question in "Development" instead of "Q&A".
Yes, you made a mistake changing to Android. It's not (yet) ready for end users, especially the TF700. Return it as long as you can and buy the new iPad.
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Thank u mr.police officer, my bad
I am not going to return it, I just want it to work probably!

floyd0815 said:
If you are just looking for a device without lags and stutters then go for iOS.
But if you want/have to do things iOS can't do then go for Android and search for solutions for lag or live with it.
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Exactly, I want solution .. there are too many rome and stuff which says choose what suits u the most, but I have no idea what are they!!
I read in the forum that flashing and unlocking JB = losing camera and GPS functions .. what should I do? *Note I am still runnig ICS

dasunsrule32 said:
Or don't by Asus... Get a Nexus 7 or 10.That's the route he should've taken. Asus just released a bad device. To sit here and say Android isn't ready for end users is bologna..
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The harm has been done my friend .. but u r right, Nexus 10 would have been a better choice though

I feel your pain. When I first moved over to an Android device, I was also confronted with similar issues. Yes, Android can be intimidating. However, once you get a handle of it, I assure you, you won't stop flashing different ROMs on a regular basis. First calm down and read through the following threads to get started:
[TOOL] TF700T ADB Tool [v4] flash recovery and more
[ROM][01/04/13]Baked Black Bean 6[JB 4.1.2]

dr.hawk said:
Thank u mr.police officer, my bad
I am not going to return it, I just want it to work probably!
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Look, to be honest, I think everyone has been frightened in the beginning with unlocking and rooting, but in the end the tf700 is a really easy device to learn it with.
There are some guides in the general section (where you should have posted this thread ) and this section here.
As far as performance, I can tell you now that there is no Rom that works better than CleanRom In heritance.
It is *very* battery friendly, is really performant (forget about iPad, after that Rom you'll have the advantages of Android sealed in a super speedy packaging)
However, if you really feel you don't want to unlock the device yet, you should indeed at least update the tablet to the latest firmware, since it has some improvements to it. (I don't know how much the improvement is on the stock rom, but Clean Rom Inheritance is based on stock and it works like a charm).
By the way, there are no custom roms for the tf700 that give up on the gps and camera features. All developers here are real pros, so don't worry
And last but not least; if you were to update to the latest firmware and feel it's too laggy, (many people have said so), you should consider unlocking your device to put CleanRom on it. It's basically stock, but much smoother, faster and has no bloatware
Good luck making your iOS friends Jelly (pun intended) of your tf700. I know I have
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The harm has been done my friend .. but u r right, Nexus 10 would have been a better choice though
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Have you bought the keyboard dock? And I still think the tf700 is better of the two, if only because of its looks and dock

I know you are taking about tablets but the title says android...
I own a 4s and iPad 3, back in June I bought the s3 and I was really impressed with what it can do but its lag and performance made me question it the same as you, having spent £540 on a buggy feeling device.
I finally got jelly bean on it, jelly bean combined with disabling some crappy Samsung bloat made the s3 faster and smoother than any apple device out there, my iPad and iPhone both feel laggy in comparison now.
I have never routed or flagged a rom though, completely stock.
Before long you will love jelly bean
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dr.hawk said:
Exactly, I want solution .. there are too many rome and stuff which says choose what suits u the most, but I have no idea what are they!!
I read in the forum that flashing and unlocking JB = losing camera and GPS functions .. what should I do? *Note I am still runnig ICS
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I just read this post so I'll quickly reply
By rooting and unlocking you will not compromise any of the camera qualities. It still works just the way it's supposed to on CleanRom (the rom I use) and I am pretty sure the developer of CM10.1 has it running too.
This device may not be what you expect it to be out of the box, but let me tell you.. The devs we have for the tf700 are all very talented and manage to get some impressive performance squeezed out of this device without resulting in battery drain.
You really can't go wrong chosing either CM10.1 or CRomI (as we call CleanRom Inheritance)
As for the options you can choose while installing CRomI, they are mainly
- the kernel: do you want to keep everything close to stock, resulting in better battery life, and no overclocking? Or do you want a tweaked kernel (Clemsyn) which means even better performance, without taking too much of a hit on battery life. The latter is overclocked. If you still don't know what to choose: I have recently gone back to stock since it's just a tad friendlier for the battery and CRomI is smooth enough as it is
- Apps: select which apps you want preinstalled in your rom and which you don't want (little tip: always make sure the Play Store is checked: it's a vital app to install other apps with and it's a pain in the @$$ to install it from somewhere else if you want to keep it up to date
This method of building your personal rom on the spot is handy to deselect the bloatware you don't use (eg. Asus screensaver) and select the 'bloat' you like (eg. Supernote)
- Tweaks: I usually select the all, because the make the device even smoother and faster
By the way: in misc apps you'll have an app called Titanium Backup: that app keeps your data while switching Roms and is a nice way of making sure you'll keep your progress in games
I should say though: even though I've never tried Cm10.1, I am sure it's a great rom and I don't want to force you or anyone else to only look at Cromi, since CM10.1 has its own advantages
Just have a look for yourself and if you have any further questions, you now know where to post them (either Q&A for actual questions or general for remarks and findings).
The development section is used solely by developers of Roms, mods and kernels to share their creations with the world

dr.hawk said:
The harm has been done my friend .. but u r right, Nexus 10 would have been a better choice though
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Dr. Hawk, I know that reading these replies still hard for you as far as "what next" and "how". I'm sure that after you done all the steps below, you will find out the grass does look greener on the other side (IOS vs Android). With Android you could do more...a lot more compared to ipad. You just need to take ONE step at a time and within a few days you should have a smile on your face. There are plenty of people here ready to help noob(beginner) like youseft. Also I would like to mention that unlocking your device will void waranty, but in my opinion, if you don't do it, you will not happy with your device and eventually you're not going to use it, so it useless anyway. Let us know and please post update here so we can proceed accordingly. Here are the steps:
1. Unlock your device (download Asus unlock tool app and run it. This needed in order to install custom rom/kernel)
2. Flash custom recovery (there are 2 to choose from TWRP and CWM. I recommend TWRP for noob, it just easier with nice big User interface)
3. Use TWRP or CWM to flash your favorite custom rom (If you want trouble free, full stock features, CleanRom is the one to use)
That's all my friend. While you're performing these steps you're going to feel good about yourself and rewarding. When you are ready to go, just post here and we will walk you through, step by step. Once everything is done let us know if you do smile at the end and "no regred" that you picked Android and tf700. Cheers!!!!!!

I'm a flasher since I got my first android device and I have to say I don't want to have an iOS device because of it's performance! If you have a good ROM (and on my TF300T GPU/CPU OC a bit) you will get the same system performance and way more cusomization options - only problem for me is that a friend from my class has an iPad and uses it for school - there I just see the disadvantage of Android Tablets - except system apps you just don't have many apps for productive work that are optimized for tablets - including Dropbox(!!) that are way better optimized on iOS...
But I think in 1 or maybe 2 years it will be like with phones that Open Source (Android and maybe then also Ubuntu if they take the step for tabs too) will be sold more than iPads and with this the apps will also get optimized better :good:
atm I can just cry because of a friend made an own app for iOS to edit his scaeed books etc. and I can just open them with a non-optimized Adobe PDF Reader
so if you want now Custom ROM too, have a look at this guide and follow the steps unlock your bootloader, Flash recovery (I recommend TWRP!) and then go to the ROM you want (I recommend stock based: Clean ROM or AOSP based which means more customization options: Baked Blackbean) and install it with the installation instructions there - if you then still have questions ask in Q&A section because here it is only development section

dr.hawk said:
Hello developers!
First i know how much u hate it when someone just post a new thread without checking the fourms, but I assure u that i read carefully all the related subject n still I couldn't find answers :/
I've been always an Apple person and I am really satisfied with the ease of use and performance, somehow whileI I was looking for a tablet to update my old iPad a friend of mine was able to convince me that I should get an Android, and I end up buying Asus Tf700, of course after hours n hours of reading reviews n stuff and on the paper it's waaaaaaaay better than any other tablet, even the new iPad!! But still, on the PAPER
I really disappointed with the performance and the terrible lag even with the simplest task (like scrolling down a website or pinch zoom in/out) and it keeps crashing and freezing for no reason
Everyone here recommends rooting and unlocking, and since this is my first Android I am really confused
Root, rom, flash, kernel, unlock, OTA .. bla bla ...too much complicated info and procedures for a noob!!
I want my device to work like how they claim it should (ASUS ppl) .. very smooth with no lag or crashes .. but on the other hand i don't want to lose any of it's features (camera, GPS) .. should I update to jb? Should I stay with ICS?
N how??
Sorry for the long post!:cyclops:
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What I take from your displeasure is the recurring "Android is open source for the customizer and this I don't want."
So like the previous comments I would vote for a return to iOS.
iDevices are very well designed and usable.
So if your user experience has been less than pleasing with Android I wouldn't stick with it.

iOS devices are made for those who would like ease of use and having everything done automatically for them, and don't want to bother with things like settings and customisation and freedom of decision. If you're used to having everything done for you, stick with it. Changing to a system that requires you to manually do things for yourself when you don't want to is not going to make you very happy.
Apple is Use, don't Think.
Android is Think, don't just Use.
If you're used to the ease and smoothness of iOS, and were perfectly happy with the system, you're not going to like Android. Because Android isn't meant as an end-user OS.
Now, regarding flashing. I'm not going to try it on my tablet at all until the warranty has passed. The store I bought it from is not exactly know for its excellent customer service, and it updated to .30 before I heard about backing it up.
Is there a solution? Yes, get an iPad. The TF700 has some serious I/O issues which cause lag, but even if you're using the best of the best Android tab (whichever one that may be) you're still going to experience crashes, simply because of the customisation options. That's why iOS 'never' (ahem, hand me one, it'll crash.) crashes, you can't customized so there's no conflicts.
Don't get me wrong, I have an iPod 5th gen and love it (if Apple's warranty wasn't so horrendous...), and as a designer I appreciate the marketing and design behind iOS, but as a user I want to make my own choices, and I absolutely detest anything that goes automatic or makes its decisions for me.

That's not strictly true with newer devices.
Both my iPad 3 and iPhone get more app crashes and ui/keyboard lags than my stock int galaxy s3, which performs faster and smoother with everything except the dialer. Since using the s3the iOS screen doesn't seem as smooth as it used to, very slightly choppy moving between 2 app pages.
I use Nova launcher and it is perfectly smooth, fast and since the upgrades to jb 4.1.1 and 4.1.2 not a single crash or FCC, though on ICS there were many.
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dr.hawk said:
The harm has been done my friend .. but u r right, Nexus 10 would have been a better choice though
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+1 on nexus 10. I have both and even with custom rom the tf700 is not as smooth as the n10. No tweaking necessary. How come you can't return it?
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adelancker said:
Have you bought the keyboard dock? And I still think the tf700 is better of the two, if only because of its looks and dock
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first, thank u man! I decided to unlock and root my device!
I haven't bought the dock, maybe next step

These are really useful information, I decided to unlock, update to JB and to root .. :highfive:
I am going to start tonight, right after gym!
special thanks to:
-angel*
buhohitr
adelancker
cheers!! :highfive:

dr.hawk said:
These are really useful information, I decided to unlock, update to JB and to root .. :highfive:
I am going to start tonight, right after gym!
special thanks to:
-angel*
buhohitr
adelancker
cheers!! :highfive:
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Thats great news!
Don't hesitate to ask explanation when you don't get a step in the walktrhoughs.
They are usually written by people who are experienced using Android for people who are somewhat experienced as well So for a complete newcomer to the Android platform, I can imagine you'll ask yourself some quesitons later