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No more custom ROMs on HTC devices: HTC will secure the bootloader for future phones.

http://www.engadget.com/2011/03/24/htc-locks-down-incredible-s-against-custom-roms-too-starts-a-fi/
http://tweakers.net/nieuws/73423/htc-beveiligt-bootloader-nieuwe-android-toestellen.html
Why???
You have just been added next to Sony on my "Don't buy"-list.
Which phone will be the next HD2? LG?
***Update***:
Sony-Ericsson makes a tool to load custom roms onto their devices (http://tweakers.net/nieuws/73521/so...t-custom-roms-op-android-phones-mogelijk.html)
This is good news!

How much more secured is this than the traditional S-ON/S-OFF? I guess I don't really understand to what extent this new security changes over the old.
Also, it's already cracked on the Thunderbolt so likey can be repeated on the Incredible S. If it's crackable, isn't that all that matters?

This was an interesting argument, to me: NOT that the phones aren't still crackable, but rather that HTC is giving into intimidation by Verizon.. and by doing so, it's signaling that they will bow down to carriers, yet even moreso, over end users who BUY THEIR PHONES and are their actual customers.
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You may not agree, but the "rebel" in me likes that argument at least....
When you combine this with HTC America's not honoring warranties, they are not making the best moves given their fractional market share and the massive competition getting stronger and stronger from Motorola and Samsung every day ---- though I love HTC's phones and have never cheated on them once!
But keep in mind HTC *owned* the entire turf of touchscreen devices during the mighty reign of Windows Mobile... Now? Today? They are practically an asterisk. And Motorola? They were gonners. People thought there were out of the game having fallen so far behind after nothing new since the RAZR. Then the new CEO came in, targeted Android as his platform for choice, they targeted the DROID as their re-entry vehicle, and they slammed into the touchscreen market and overtook HTC like a steamroller.
When you are playing on THAT kind of playing field, you're going to go messing with your most loyal customer base -- and kiss ass with a carrier? I think HTC is blundering all over the place -- all the while they continue to make fantastic phones. But fact remains, they cannot afford to even SIGHTLY ANNOY a loyal customer these days. Once someone goes Samsung or Motorola, I don't see a big love affair where they're going to comer back to HTC. So, they better watch it, from where I sit. It's not just as simple a matter as "but we can crack anything". That's missing the point entirely.

Is HTC dual mode? Are they just doing it in the US or all over. That's why I've never liked Verizon. Started years ago over ringtones and BitPim.

What gives that person the impression that Verizon had anything to do with it? They're using the same security in the Incredible S, which from the specs on HTC's website, is a GSM phone so if this additional layer of security were a specific demand from VZW, there'd be no reason to add it to the Incredible S.
I doubt increasing security will hurt HTC sales at all. I'm thinking the majority of HTC phone users do NOT root their phones or hack them. Sure, XDA members do, but the average Joe? I don't think so. The percentage of people who buy HTC just because it's hackable is probably a pretty miniscule amount compared to the big picture.
I could be wrong, but I think the more likely answer for increasing security is to reduce warranty claims and support calls from would-be phone hackers accidentally bricking them.

GnatGoSplat said:
I could be wrong, but I think the more likely answer for increasing security is to reduce warranty claims and support calls from would-be phone hackers accidentally bricking them.
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I'm with this. Go to any Android phone dev section and you see tons of people returning phones for replacement because they goof up flashing it.

I didn't realize this was posted already, I had just posted this in another section, I had said a week ago that it might be the end of an era with HTC locking down their phones, this sucks.
Sent from my Incredible with the XDA Premium App.

I wouldn't be at all surprised if this is just pressure from the carriers rather than HTC itself.
Regardless, i am disappoint!

I hope they dont do this, we need customization!

it does suck, theyll be another motorola now, except sense still owns blur lol

No no no no no. :'( this sucks. I love htc and the OPENNESS of android. Why I DIDN'T go with Motorola for an android device.
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we need to apeal to htc to please not do this!!

GnatGoSplat said:
What gives that person the impression that Verizon had anything to do with it? They're using the same security in the Incredible S...
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Exactly.
Even if HTC were to start locking the bootloader at the behest of one particular network (and frankly, I find the notion that any one network would have enough clout to try and impose such measures questionable, to say the least), there'd be no reason for HTC to do this to all their handsets.
This is a decision HTC have made themselves.
GnatGoSplat said:
I doubt increasing security will hurt HTC sales at all. I'm thinking the majority of HTC phone users do NOT root their phones or hack them. Sure, XDA members do, but the average Joe? I don't think so. The percentage of people who buy HTC just because it's hackable is probably a pretty miniscule amount compared to the big picture.
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Also true - XDA may be big but it doesn't compare to the number of phones being sold.
Heck, there are more than 3 times as many Galaxy S handsets have been sold as XDA-devs' entire membership and that's just one of a miscellany of handsets this place caters for.

man i hope somebody talks some sense into them

This is bonkers what are they doing this for?

GnatGoSplat said:
How much more secured is this than the traditional S-ON/S-OFF? I guess I don't really understand to what extent this new security changes over the old.
Also, it's already cracked on the Thunderbolt so likey can be repeated on the Incredible S. If it's crackable, isn't that all that matters?
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Well I don't know for sure, but when you hook up you phone to your computer and flash it, your computer and phone will communicate with each other, and the computer will tell the phone what the new rom will be. Now, the people here at xda only have to figure out how to tell the phone what the new rom is.
But with this new security, not only do will we have to figure out how to tell it, we also have to answer the phones question to the computer, what the password is to flash it. This password is only known to HTC.

Step666 said:
Heck, there are more than 3 times as many Galaxy S handsets have been sold as XDA-devs' entire membership and that's just one of a miscellany of handsets this place caters for.
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I was thinking the same thing. The new devices with be unlocked and made available to the people who'll use them.

If HTC locked the phones like Motorola does, then there will be no further HTC gadgets for me.
I didn't buy Motorola because of the same reason.

Every time they make a "secure lock" it takes all of a week to open and rewrite
IF they did make it uncrackable, according to the Supreme court decision it would violate ownership rights.
This is phase and as such, will pass

oka1 said:
IF they did make it uncrackable, according to the Supreme court decision it would violate ownership rights.
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I think you need to re-read that.
The Supreme Court said it wasn't illegal to hack/tweak/modify software such as rooting/jail-breaking but that doesn't magically give you a right to do so.
If end-users have the right to modify their handsets, how do Motorola get away with their encrypted bootloader?

Stupid HTC. No ICS for Us.

So as many know, HTC holds the ball in our Official ICS Updates. They're the company that wants to get us the "Latest, and Greatest" Thing. But they seem to have forgotten about us. The Sensation, Sensation 4G, Sensation XE, Sensation XL will be getting ICS in March. Then the Rezound, Vivid, Amaze 4G, Evo 3D, Design 4G, INC S, Desire S, and DHD will be getting ICS sometime this year.
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Why are we not on this list? We have Similar, to better Specs than these phones. The reason is??? My Sense, the Death of ANY HTC Phone. All these phones Run Sense 2.1, GingerSense, or Sense 3.0/5. It's complete bull crap, I know it's not an Issue for people like us. We have Great Dev's, 5 ICS Rom's. But with no Official ICS Rom, no Official ICS Source. It makes AOSP Rom's lack a Camera, which means no CM9.
I Emailed HTC, ranting about how all these devices have ICS Updates. But we don't, I feel betrayed. I've used HTC Handsets for the longest time, and not going to buy another after this. If I can't be promised and Official Update for a high end phone, just because it's OS. It's just stupid. Reminds me of school, when I'd get picked on for listening to a certain band. I choose the wrong music, now I have to deal with being left out till Middle Schools over.
So fellow Doubleshot users, whats you opinion? Going to stay with HTC? Or jump ship to the Galaxy S 3 like the rest of the world?

I personally feel it is too early to worry about not getting ICS. The sensation announcements are mostly for the Global phones and the others are Verizon specific. They will announce more soon they said. I feel better with HTC than Samsuck. I had a behold 2 and they pretty much Lied and screwed their customers from the get go. And even IF we don't get an official ICS ROM at least I KNOW I will be able to install a custom ROM from more than 1 dev and I'm not lock out by using the very unsafe odin bricking tool. Plus touchiwiz blows compared to sense. Not mention the fiasco with the GB updates for the original S series and they left the Original S series with no ICS even though the Nexus S is mostly the same phone! Yeah never owning a Samsung again. Not even a Samsung Nexus.
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Ohgami_Ichiro said:
I personally feel it is too early to worry about not getting ICS. The sensation announcements are mostly for the Global phones and the others are Verizon specific. They will announce more soon they said. I feel better with HTC than Samsuck. I had a behold 2 and they pretty much Lied and screwed their customers from the get go. And even IF we don't get an official ICS ROM at least I KNOW I will be able to install a custom ROM from more than 1 dev and I'm not lock out by using the very unsafe odin bricking tool.
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The behold was a sad, sad phone. Didn't only get 1.6?
But if we don't have an official ICS Rom, we can't get CM9. So we'd be CMless till the Summer if where lucky. I Love TB's Rom, but once we have official CM code we'll get a jump on Roms. MIUI, CM9 Type Roms, AOSP, and Quarto.

gs3 baby! MWC better not upset me.
Just my spare change.

I some what beg to differ. We do have working Kernels now even IF they aren't the new 3.0.x kernel. Also when NBetcher and I were working on SalsaSlide on the mT3GS he ported the Kernel from the Salsa RUU so we had a more up-to-date kernel than the one from the official Froyo release.
As for the Behold it was a good phone that was more powerful than any other Android Phone T-mobile had until the SGS (with the exception of the N1). Also Samsung themselves promised us Eclair and they lied and gave us Donut instead. Also the SGS Touchwiz blows if I wanted a phone that wanted to be an iPhone I'd get an iPhone.
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I actually did the same thing twice, emailing HTC. Their short answer was no at this time the MT4G Slide is not our top priority so we won't do it. Kinda made me a little flustered, but at least HTC isn't the only manufacture...

The way I see it, we WILL have 99% source because as you stated before, we have similar, if not better specs than those phones listed. The sensation and our phone are nearly identical. Same with the amaze. Even in terms of hardware, we have the same processor and camera as the amaze. We have less RAM, but, only by a little. I'm not worried. Our devs have proven that they can run with the best. Until they start jumping ship, I'm optimistic about our future.
Also, don't forget, the migration from the g2 to the mytouch 4g slide has already started, and will only increase. As the only top tier phone with a keyboard (I'm not even going to give the sidekick any credit here), we should see a flood of excellent devs in the coming months. I hear the g2 devs are some of the best around.

Hopefully we'll get a Dev who can create a Camera Source from Scratch like they had to do on the DHD. That's really my main concern, even if we didn't get an official ICS Rom. But just the proper source to make it, it'd be nice. We should all email them and ask them to do so.

Is it true that T-Mo is giving Sensations as a optional replacement for this phone?
Just my spare change.

CoNsPiRiSiZe said:
Is it true that T-Mo is giving Sensations as a optional replacement for this phone?
Just my spare change.
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How does opptional replacment work do u just call tmobile n ask for a replacment
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CoNsPiRiSiZe said:
Is it true that T-Mo is giving Sensations as a optional replacement for this phone?
Just my spare change.
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No clue, but I'm getting a G2 :3
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Dear Alex Bonilla,
Thank you for taking the time to contact us here at HTC, Alex. I will be happy to provide you with information regarding upgrades to the android operating systems for HTC devices.
All new HTC devices will receive updates to the android operating system from Google for up to 18 months after the official release date for the device, provided that the device hardware can support it. Some devices may fall under the 18 month time frame to receive an update but may not have the memory or CPU requirements to handle it. In this case the device will not receive an update
In rare cases HTC occasionally provides a developer version of an update for testing purposes. If this happens then the updated software is not sent over the air to the device or posted on our official web portal. Instead we make it available via our developer web portal at http://htcdev.com/devcenter/downloads . These types of updates are only recommended for experienced device owners and software developers. Installing such an update to your device is not supported or endorsed by HTC. If you choose to install a developer ROM to your device it would be at your own discretion.
Regarding specific dates and information, at this time we do not have an ETA to provide for you. To stay on top of release dates for upgrades and new devices, you can follow our official social network feeds on Twitter and Facebook, or our official website at http://www.htc.com/us/ or http://www.htc.com/us/press . Remember that in most cases you should receive direct notification to your device of any updates and maintenance releases once they are available for download and installation.
I hope that this information is helpful to you, Alex, and clarifies your questions regarding device upgrades. As always, we are here to answer any technical questions or concerns you may have between 6am to 1am EDST, 7 days a week for your convenience, or by phone at 1-866-449-8358.
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Well take a look at my sig....
btw: this sucks...this is why Htc shouldn't put out a trillion devices a day, instead of just releasing a couple flagships and keeping them updated

AgentCherryColla said:
Dear Alex Bonilla,
Thank you for taking the time to contact us here at HTC, Alex. I will be happy to provide you with information regarding upgrades to the android operating systems for HTC devices.
All new HTC devices will receive updates to the android operating system from Google for up to 18 months after the official release date for the device, provided that the device hardware can support it. Some devices may fall under the 18 month time frame to receive an update but may not have the memory or CPU requirements to handle it. In this case the device will not receive an update
In rare cases HTC occasionally provides a developer version of an update for testing purposes. If this happens then the updated software is not sent over the air to the device or posted on our official web portal. Instead we make it available via our developer web portal at http://htcdev.com/devcenter/downloads . These types of updates are only recommended for experienced device owners and software developers. Installing such an update to your device is not supported or endorsed by HTC. If you choose to install a developer ROM to your device it would be at your own discretion.
Regarding specific dates and information, at this time we do not have an ETA to provide for you. To stay on top of release dates for upgrades and new devices, you can follow our official social network feeds on Twitter and Facebook, or our official website at http://www.htc.com/us/ or http://www.htc.com/us/press . Remember that in most cases you should receive direct notification to your device of any updates and maintenance releases once they are available for download and installation.
I hope that this information is helpful to you, Alex, and clarifies your questions regarding device upgrades. As always, we are here to answer any technical questions or concerns you may have between 6am to 1am EDST, 7 days a week for your convenience, or by phone at 1-866-449-8358.
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Pretty typical response. Doesn't mean jack. Their plan is usually the same, have a big announcement about updates so they can say "hey, we take care of our customers", then put off their less popular devices, hoping to sweep it under the rug. Big corporations are like children. They need to be pressured and forced into doing the right thing.
Still, the source code will be released for the sensation and amaze, so if its camera you're worried about, I'm 100% positive tbalden can break it down and port it. Just look at his tv out thread. Dude's a devving mastermind.

AgentCherryColla said:
No clue, but I'm getting a G2 :3
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Why dat?
I'm calling today to see about getting swapped for a Sensation. I like the bigger screens.
Just my spare change.

Man ... everytime i get a peek into the past lives of people's handsets, I feel left out that I didn't get involved with Android until recently. I had a tablet for a bit, but this device that I got an August was my first cellular handset that was more then a bottom of the line flip phone (that I didn't even have charged half the time...provided I knew where it was)
I admit i'm a little jealous of all the cool stuff you guys have been through, rammed home by the fact that i've been spending time recently researching how root and s-off was obtained on older devices and learning the history that most of you lived with and just know.
This is where I make my stand, it's a solid device that can handle everything I put it through, and i'm happy with it. I have no intentions of going anywhere, and am taking the time to learn gingerbread through and through. Once I get that down cold i'll move up to ICS and beyond.
What's been said about future devs coming in is true - this device is being given out ass a replacement for the G2, so as those devices break down people will be coming in. We've already seen a couple of waves of it here, and having been here since before s-off was available there absolutely is a lot more dev happening now then anytime before. We have choices, options to play with given to us by the people who have been taking the time to put them together.
All of our devs are working together and helping each other out, and we have a solid little community here. I don't intend on going anywhere anytime soon, and doubt that anyone else working on the device is going to jump ship anytime soon.
I laughed @ Samsuck - never heard that before - but i've had the chance to play with some motorolla and samsung handsets recently that people I know own, and compared to this device and the other HTC products other friends of mine own (inspire 4g, incredible) the other brands seem somewhat lacking.
I expect that the next handset I purchase at some indeterminate time in the distant future will be an HTC as well. I can say that i'll start with HTC, and if I don't feel like my needs are being addressed then i'll look elsewhere.
I hear what you're saying, Agent - but i'm also a big fan of getting off my behind and doing it myself. They don't want to help? I'll figure it out if I want it done.
Before the new year hit there was that issue about the loggers and security. The Android Police article came out, I got the notification through Pulse News because it's the first thing I check when I wake up. Jumped right into the forums to make a patch - guess what? another dev had released it about 15 minutes before I got here. Done. HTC patch? 2 MONTHS later. We had ours in 2 hours.
If you want to wait for the manufacturer/carrier to grind an update through it's gargantuan system, and wait for them to do this and that and the other thing, run it through legal, get signed off on, etc... you'll be waiting forever. At least here we can work together to make it happen on a more immediate level.
We do the best we can with what we got, and if all we got is gingerbread kernel source...F 'em, we'll make it work. I'm attacking the current s-off issue - am I mad at HTC for locking us out? A little - they shouldn't, it's unethical - like buying a new car but having a governer on it that only lets it go 25m.p.h. - but we'll crack it no thanks to them and it'll be okay.
I have a can-do attitude, and the one flaw in security is by it's very nature no security can be made that cannot be broken. Fact of life true for everything from mechanical locks to software. All it takes is an investment of time, effort and energy to make it happen, and that's literally what we have here in the community.

CoNsPiRiSiZe said:
Why dat?
I'm calling today to see about getting swapped for a Sensation. I like the bigger screens.
Just my spare change.
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Please tesll me what happens cause I would like a sensation too I like the bigger screen too
Sent from my Htc Doubleshot running ICS

Blue6IX said:
Man ... everytime i get a peek into the past lives of people's handsets, I feel left out that I didn't get involved with Android until recently. I had a tablet for a bit, but this device that I got an August was my first cellular handset that was more then a bottom of the line flip phone (that I didn't even have charged half the time...provided I knew where it was)
I admit i'm a little jealous of all the cool stuff you guys have been through, rammed home by the fact that i've been spending time recently researching how root and s-off was obtained on older devices and learning the history that most of you lived with and just know.
This is where I make my stand, it's a solid device that can handle everything I put it through, and i'm happy with it. I have no intentions of going anywhere, and am taking the time to learn gingerbread through and through. Once I get that down cold i'll move up to ICS and beyond.
What's been said about future devs coming in is true - this device is being given out ass a replacement for the G2, so as those devices break down people will be coming in. We've already seen a couple of waves of it here, and having been here since before s-off was available there absolutely is a lot more dev happening now then anytime before. We have choices, options to play with given to us by the people who have been taking the time to put them together.
All of our devs are working together and helping each other out, and we have a solid little community here. I don't intend on going anywhere anytime soon, and doubt that anyone else working on the device is going to jump ship anytime soon.
I laughed @ Samsuck - never heard that before - but i've had the chance to play with some motorolla and samsung handsets recently that people I know own, and compared to this device and the other HTC products other friends of mine own (inspire 4g, incredible) the other brands seem somewhat lacking.
I expect that the next handset I purchase at some indeterminate time in the distant future will be an HTC as well. I can say that i'll start with HTC, and if I don't feel like my needs are being addressed then i'll look elsewhere.
I hear what you're saying, Agent - but i'm also a big fan of getting off my behind and doing it myself. They don't want to help? I'll figure it out if I want it done.
Before the new year hit there was that issue about the loggers and security. The Android Police article came out, I got the notification through Pulse News because it's the first thing I check when I wake up. Jumped right into the forums to make a patch - guess what? another dev had released it about 15 minutes before I got here. Done. HTC patch? 2 MONTHS later. We had ours in 2 hours.
If you want to wait for the manufacturer/carrier to grind an update through it's gargantuan system, and wait for them to do this and that and the other thing, run it through legal, get signed off on, etc... you'll be waiting forever. At least here we can work together to make it happen on a more immediate level.
We do the best we can with what we got, and if all we got is gingerbread kernel source...F 'em, we'll make it work. I'm attacking the current s-off issue - am I mad at HTC for locking us out? A little - they shouldn't, it's unethical - like buying a new car but having a governer on it that only lets it go 25m.p.h. - but we'll crack it no thanks to them and it'll be okay.
I have a can-do attitude, and the one flaw in security is by it's very nature no security can be made that cannot be broken. Fact of life true for everything from mechanical locks to software. All it takes is an investment of time, effort and energy to make it happen, and that's literally what we have here in the community.
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YoY Im inspired, I'll stick it out. You should make a camera driver for AOSP Roms.
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Blue6IX said:
Man ... everytime i get a peek into the past lives of people's handsets, I feel left out that I didn't get involved with Android until recently. I had a tablet for a bit, but this device that I got an August was my first cellular handset that was more then a bottom of the line flip phone (that I didn't even have charged half the time...provided I knew where it was)
I admit i'm a little jealous of all the cool stuff you guys have been through, rammed home by the fact that i've been spending time recently researching how root and s-off was obtained on older devices and learning the history that most of you lived with and just know.
This is where I make my stand, it's a solid device that can handle everything I put it through, and i'm happy with it. I have no intentions of going anywhere, and am taking the time to learn gingerbread through and through. Once I get that down cold i'll move up to ICS and beyond.
What's been said about future devs coming in is true - this device is being given out ass a replacement for the G2, so as those devices break down people will be coming in. We've already seen a couple of waves of it here, and having been here since before s-off was available there absolutely is a lot more dev happening now then anytime before. We have choices, options to play with given to us by the people who have been taking the time to put them together.
All of our devs are working together and helping each other out, and we have a solid little community here. I don't intend on going anywhere anytime soon, and doubt that anyone else working on the device is going to jump ship anytime soon.
I laughed @ Samsuck - never heard that before - but i've had the chance to play with some motorolla and samsung handsets recently that people I know own, and compared to this device and the other HTC products other friends of mine own (inspire 4g, incredible) the other brands seem somewhat lacking.
I expect that the next handset I purchase at some indeterminate time in the distant future will be an HTC as well. I can say that i'll start with HTC, and if I don't feel like my needs are being addressed then i'll look elsewhere.
I hear what you're saying, Agent - but i'm also a big fan of getting off my behind and doing it myself. They don't want to help? I'll figure it out if I want it done.
Before the new year hit there was that issue about the loggers and security. The Android Police article came out, I got the notification through Pulse News because it's the first thing I check when I wake up. Jumped right into the forums to make a patch - guess what? another dev had released it about 15 minutes before I got here. Done. HTC patch? 2 MONTHS later. We had ours in 2 hours.
If you want to wait for the manufacturer/carrier to grind an update through it's gargantuan system, and wait for them to do this and that and the other thing, run it through legal, get signed off on, etc... you'll be waiting forever. At least here we can work together to make it happen on a more immediate level.
We do the best we can with what we got, and if all we got is gingerbread kernel source...F 'em, we'll make it work. I'm attacking the current s-off issue - am I mad at HTC for locking us out? A little - they shouldn't, it's unethical - like buying a new car but having a governer on it that only lets it go 25m.p.h. - but we'll crack it no thanks to them and it'll be okay.
I have a can-do attitude, and the one flaw in security is by it's very nature no security can be made that cannot be broken. Fact of life true for everything from mechanical locks to software. All it takes is an investment of time, effort and energy to make it happen, and that's literally what we have here in the community.
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i just switch from a g2x, they all complain on how lg is leaving them out on the ics update. had a g2,mt3gs, heck i even had a cliq just to name a few, and a lot of people on those forums complain on the manufactures/carriers is leaving them out from updates. I remember reading this "DONT GET A PHONE HOPING YOU WILL GET THE NEWEST UPDATES< GET A PHONE THAT YOUR HAPPY ON WHAT IT HAS" to me that is so true and in my opinon htc has some of the best phones, and if we dont get the update, so what, i am very happy with this phone the way it is

CoNsPiRiSiZe said:
Why dat?
I'm calling today to see about getting swapped for a Sensation. I like the bigger screens.
Just my spare change.
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There only 200 bucks brand new from T-Mo. $50 on contract. I reported my phone stollen, got a G2 for 50
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Picked up the AT&T Galaxy SIII. Wanted to see if all the hype was fair.

Picked up the AT&T Galaxy SIII. Wanted to see if all the hype was fair.
Compairing it to my HTC one X:
What I don't like.
1. Shiny case is slippery ( more than the oneX) and is a finger print magnet.
2. Home button is a pain (imho) and the back button is on the wrong side (imho).
3. The navigation buttons are back lit. I like the permanent ones on the oneX.
4. The screen looks fine indoors. Outside it washes out terribly.
Neutral:
1."Seat of the pants" performance seems the same.
2. Build quality, no big differences
3. Removable battery and back cover, don't care...
4. Stock UI launchers, Both have the good and bad points.
5. Battery life is about the same.
What I like:
1. Some of the Samsung apps are better, like the Exchange client and sms app
Bottom line:
1. The washed out display outdoors is the deal breaker for me.
2. If you already have the oneX, keep it.
3. It's amazing how all of the Hype surrounding a new device confuses reality and how the buyers defend their purchases even if they don't like them.
4. Haven't found the perfect phone yet, but I like the OneX so far.

Thanks for that focused, in-depth review of your personal opinion. I'm sure that it will have NO effect on my purchase decisions.

I was just about to thank you for the frank and simple, hype-less review. Ignore live4nyy!

live4nyy said:
Thanks for that focused, in-depth review of your personal opinion. I'm sure that it will have NO effect on my purchase decisions.
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That's your choice, my personal opinion is i'm not sure i want you on this forum

G4 Man2 said:
That's your choice, my personal opinion is i'm not sure i want you on this forum
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^+1
And hopefully this will stop the "ZOMG GSIII IS SO MUCH BETTAR LOL XD THE HOX SUCKSSS I <3 SAMSUNGG" in the forums.

rohan32 said:
^+1
And hopefully this will stop the "ZOMG GSIII IS SO MUCH BETTAR LOL XD THE HOX SUCKSSS I <3 SAMSUNGG" in the forums.
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I bought a gs3 yesterday. Had it for about 2 hours then returned it. The main thing I didn't like was touchwiz. I much prefer sence. Both stock devices performed the same. But needless to say I'll be using my one x til the next HTC flagship is released.
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SolusCado said:
I was just about to thank you for the frank and simple, hype-less review. Ignore live4nyy!
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Lucky for us, we all have that right to ignore one another. I could have easily ignored the thread but I just felt froggish today. :silly:
G4 Man2 said:
That's your choice, my personal opinion is i'm not sure i want you on this forum
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And the world keeps turning.
rohan32 said:
^+1
And hopefully this will stop the "ZOMG GSIII IS SO MUCH BETTAR LOL XD THE HOX SUCKSSS I <3 SAMSUNGG" in the forums.
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Unfortunately, nothing will stop people from stating their egocentric opinions on these forums.
What I don't understand is, I didn't attack the OP, I didn't say anything about how redundant, self-centered, or irrelevant the review was, I just simply pointed out that it was his opinion and it would have no effect on me. But at least now I know how easily manipulated and defensive some of you are.
To each his own. I apologize that my opinion is less important then the next person's.

live4nyy said:
Lucky for us, we all have that right to ignore one another. I could have easily ignored the thread but I just felt froggish today. :silly:
And the world keeps turning.
Unfortunately, nothing will stop people from stating their egocentric opinions on these forums.
What I don't understand is, I didn't attack the OP, I didn't say anything about how redundant, self-centered, or irrelevant the review was, I just simply pointed out that it was his opinion and it would have no effect on me. But at least now I know how easily manipulated and defensive some of you are.
To each his own. I apologize that my opinion is less important then the next person's.
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So salty.

live4nyy said:
Lucky for us, we all have that right to ignore one another. I could have easily ignored the thread but I just felt froggish today. :silly:
And the world keeps turning.
Unfortunately, nothing will stop people from stating their egocentric opinions on these forums.
What I don't understand is, I didn't attack the OP, I didn't say anything about how redundant, self-centered, or irrelevant the review was, I just simply pointed out that it was his opinion and it would have no effect on me. But at least now I know how easily manipulated and defensive some of you are.
To each his own. I apologize that my opinion is less important then the next person's.
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not sure if just stupid or trolling

I think it just comes down to software being better on the galaxy and build quality being superior on the one x.
Software is better due to true multi-tasking and sense not slowing the phone down.
If we ever get non-sense roms the one x will be perfect and that's why i'm not switching.

bloodrain954 said:
not sure if just stupid or trolling
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To be honest, if I were looking at this from the outside I would say it was trolling. I had a point to what I was trying to say but it got lost in the hypocrisy.
Depending on what forum you're in, people are quick to bash anything that slightly resembles criticism of their current phone but when someone wants to praise said device it becomes applauded. Why should we allow an individual's opinions to be quantified into justification that one phone is better than another? I am sort of feeling that people on the Android side are becoming similar to Apple customers, where they blindly attack one another based on their allegiance to a device and/or manufacturer. My message was simple. "Your opinion has no effect on my decisions". Was it necessary for me to say that? Probably not. But was it necessary for the OP to tell anyone they should just "keep" the HOX over the SGS3? Probably not either.
The devil is in the details.
From the OP:
Bottom line:
1. The washed out display outdoors is the deal breaker for me.
2. If you already have the oneX, keep it.
3. It's amazing how all of the Hype surrounding a new device confuses reality and how the buyers defend their purchases even if they don't like them.
4. Haven't found the perfect phone yet, but I like the OneX so far.

Just got the GS3 after having the One X for the past month.
I'm quite underwhelmed.
The feel of the device is fine in the hand, however, the screen isnt nearly as good in daylight as the One X.
The camera is great in well lit situations, but worse in low light.
The clickable button is not to my liking either. Much prefer the touch buttons on the older samsungs and the one x.
The Power button is in the right place for my hand on the S3. The one X power button is just not ergonomically placed for me.
The GS3 is a fingerprint magnet. Much more so than the One X.
Much prefer the UI of the default One X over the GS3.
Will most likely pay the restocking and get the One X in the next couple of days.

Oh look, another GS3 thread. Can't have too many of these in the One X forum.
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_MetalHead_ said:
Oh look, another GS3 thread. Can't have too many of these in the One X forum.
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Least there are still one x owners around to defend there device
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_MetalHead_ said:
Oh look, another GS3 thread. Can't have too many of these in the One X forum.
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Hahahaha awesome
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jkassay said:
Picked up the AT&T Galaxy SIII. Wanted to see if all the hype was fair.
Compairing it to my HTC one X:
What I don't like.
1. Shiny case is slippery ( more than the oneX) and is a finger print magnet.
2. Home button is a pain (imho) and the back button is on the wrong side (imho).
3. The navigation buttons are back lit. I like the permanent ones on the oneX.
4. The screen looks fine indoors. Outside it washes out terribly.
Neutral:
1."Seat of the pants" performance seems the same.
2. Build quality, no big differences
3. Removable battery and back cover, don't care...
4. Stock UI launchers, Both have the good and bad points.
5. Battery life is about the same.
What I like:
1. Some of the Samsung apps are better, like the Exchange client and sms app
Bottom line:
1. The washed out display outdoors is the deal breaker for me.
2. If you already have the oneX, keep it.
3. It's amazing how all of the Hype surrounding a new device confuses reality and how the buyers defend their purchases even if they don't like them.
4. Haven't found the perfect phone yet, but I like the OneX so far.
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wow, Look at all of the negative comments! Wasn't meant to be so controversial.
No this is not another in depth review. There are plenty of them out there. I read most of them and decided to give the S3 a try. This is just my reaction to all of the Hype and advertising. Simple real world use of things that are important to me. Yes it is my opinion, I am not bashing the Samsung phone, just stating some of my real world experiences and how the oneX works better for me. I am not afraid to say that I made a bad $549 decision that didn't improve my smart phone experience.
I was just hoping that my experience would help other owners of the oneX from feeling they bought the wrong smartphone.
I reiterate that I haven't found the perfect smart phone yet and I will not stop trying. I will take back the S3 and keep the oneX for now.

Im still coaxing my SGSIII to mount my One XL to make daddy a Galaxy XL. Any day now...

I have both the HOX and SGS3 as well. Both have goods and bads but to me I like both about the same
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corythug said:
Im still coaxing my SGSIII to mount my One XL to make daddy a Galaxy XL. Any day now...
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HAHAHA. Too bad, the One XL is a good girl. She won't just let any phone get access to her battery, it takes some scented candles and soothing music.

[Q] This may sound tres "conspiracy theory-ist", BUT ...

Suddenly and without warning today ... this hypothesis struck me and started to develop (much like an impending thunderstorm). I wonder: What if somehow Apple managed to coerce AT&T into sabotaging the ICS release with the intent of deflating Samsung, just in case their lawsuit didn't work out? In return, AT&T would be thrown a handful of Apple exclusives (since they were so bent out of shape about Apple cheating on them first with Verizon then Sprint; ironically about the same time that the Android lineup REALLY improved at AT&T). Naturally, greedy AT&T would jump at the chance to be Apple's main (excuse me) ***** one more time, right?
I guess this is coming from a place of substantial anger. I'm FURIOUS that the phone I LOVED so much for seven months was basically taken away from me. And there is not a SINGLE official word from either Samsung or AT&T about what I can do about it. So I suppose I can bring the thing back to Best Buy, AGAIN, and recieve another REFURBISHED edition (one that's only 300 IMEI numbers up from the original one), but honestly, I don't have the time or desire to rebuild the damn thing one more time (and then beg the guy at Android Assistant to please let me not have to pay again ... etc. etc. etc.)
I know ... I'm delving deeeeeeep into conspiracy theorism and perhaps I shouldn't play so many video games. BUT, maybe ............ anybody think it makes sense?
PS Thanks for keeping this great and informative site running. It serves as such an amazing resource. The amount of knowledge I've picked up here is invaluable.

WOW. Really?? My phones running great on AOKP JB. Sounds more like user error than a multi-business conspiracy.

JB?
hechoen said:
WOW. Really?? My phones running great on AOKP JB. Sounds more like user error than a multi-business conspiracy.
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Did i miss something and AT&T officially released JB? Because I'm speaking specifically about the official release that AT&T and Samsung sent out to its customers ... you know, the legal way.

Yeah you missed the whole point of this site. lol

NYCblues said:
Suddenly and without warning today ... this hypothesis struck me and started to develop (much like an impending thunderstorm). I wonder: What if somehow Apple managed to coerce AT&T into sabotaging the ICS release with the intent of deflating Samsung, just in case their lawsuit didn't work out? In return, AT&T would be thrown a handful of Apple exclusives (since they were so bent out of shape about Apple cheating on them first with Verizon then Sprint; ironically about the same time that the Android lineup REALLY improved at AT&T). Naturally, greedy AT&T would jump at the chance to be Apple's main (excuse me) ***** one more time, right?
I guess this is coming from a place of substantial anger. I'm FURIOUS that the phone I LOVED so much for seven months was basically taken away from me. And there is not a SINGLE official word from either Samsung or AT&T about what I can do about it. So I suppose I can bring the thing back to Best Buy, AGAIN, and recieve another REFURBISHED edition (one that's only 300 IMEI numbers up from the original one), but honestly, I don't have the time or desire to rebuild the damn thing one more time (and then beg the guy at Android Assistant to please let me not have to pay again ... etc. etc. etc.)
I know ... I'm delving deeeeeeep into conspiracy theorism and perhaps I shouldn't play so many video games. BUT, maybe ............ anybody think it makes sense?
PS Thanks for keeping this great and informative site running. It serves as such an amazing resource. The amount of knowledge I've picked up here is invaluable.
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No. Dude these are multibillion dollar companies, they have better **** to deal then playing subterfuge over what would amount to a couple thousand dollars, at the most, lost from annoyed customers
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what do you mean taken away from you? did you mess it up and bricked it or somebody confiscated it from your home?
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NYCblues said:
Did i miss something and AT&T officially released JB? Because I'm speaking specifically about the official release that AT&T and Samsung sent out to its customers ... you know, the legal way.
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Actually- rooting your phone and using a custom ROM are 100% legal.
Carriers like at&t don't like it, but its legal.
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Lol. If anything AT&T is trying to get away from Apple products. They make more profit selling Android devices.
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mindmajick said:
Actually- rooting your phone and using a custom ROM are 100% legal.
Carriers like at&t don't like it, but its legal.
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THIS.
All it does is void your warranty. Since it was probably already void for who knows why else among the array of things that could void your warranty, the OP's argument is null and void, and similarly a useless waste of space.

aycockonxion said:
THIS.
All it does is void your warranty. Since it was probably already void for who knows why else among the array of things that could void your warranty, the OP's argument is null and void, and similarly a useless waste of space.
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What argument? Who's arguing with who? What'd I miss?
And since I didn't really present any facts since it wasn't an argument, per se ... what exactly is your point?
Seems like all you guys want to do is argue ... or troll. Hmmmmmm.
PS the original point was meant to be a funny "get this **** out of my head" thing. Maybe I'll re-evaluate my needs. Can I have my money back, then?

NYCblues said:
What argument? Who's arguing with who? What'd I miss?
And since I didn't really present any facts since it wasn't an argument, per se ... what exactly is your point?
Seems like all you guys want to do is argue ... or troll. Hmmmmmm.
PS the original point was meant to be a funny "get this **** out of my head" thing. Maybe I'll re-evaluate my needs. Can I have my money back, then?
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It's who is arguing with whom. Also, I believe the word you were searching for in the thread title is theorist, not theory-ist.
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It's who is arguing with whom. Also, I believe the word you were searching for in the thread title is theorist, not theory-ist.
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I love grammar Nazis! U R the gr8est!

m4570d0n said:
It's who is arguing with whom. Also, I believe the word you were searching for in the thread title is theorist, not theory-ist.
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That was sweet! ALL HAIL GRAMMAR NAZI! As far as the 'discussion' goes, it should make no difference to you who releases what and when. As it was pointed out, maybe you are missing the point of this arena. Whether you develop, tinker, or just screw around with your phone, the point is this: collectively, we as a group could not care less what the carriers or even manufacturers provide for us in the way of OS updates. We seek out our own, by way of skilled and knowledgeable people who aren't satisfied with the bloatware infested offerings given to us long after the fact. As a member of this forum, you are EXPECTED to have the desire to learn how to make your own way in the android world, albeit with the help of others most of the time.This is a development and learning forum. Regardless of the trolling and/or occasional flaming for the sub-genius among us, you need to want to learn, not wait on the conglomerates to dole out what they want to....my penny and a half.

LG Never Again!!.... wait...

I'm sure most people here have used that phrase before at least once in a comment or talking to someone. It's the feeling of us g2x owners that bought the device with high expectations because it was arguably the best Android phone at the time, and because it has a "with Google" branding on the back. But the lack of support from LG left us with a bad feeling towards the company that is hard to look past it.
But, all of the sudden, a bright spot appeared this week when LG released the source of ICS for the SCU660 and ICS and JellyBean are possible once again. On top of that, today Google announced what's arguably the best smartphone right now (not only android), the Nexus 4, and this time with the nexus brand it will not get left behind in the software department.
So, it looks like I'm willing to give LG another chance with this new device despite the history with the g2x. And when the new roms (g2x) start appearing in the development section, I'll sure be flashing them.
What do you think about LG, are you giving them a chance too?
Here's the link to the Nexus 4:
Nexus 4 on Google Play

Please stop creating such threads like these, search forums this has been discussed before.

Vago023 said:
I'm sure most people here have used that phrase before at least once in a comment or talking to someone. It's the feeling of us g2x owners that bought the device with high expectations because it was arguably the best Android phone at the time, and because it has a "with Google" branding on the back. But the lack of support from LG left us with a bad feeling towards the company that is hard to look past it.
But, all of the sudden, a bright spot appeared this week when LG released the source of ICS for the SCU660 and ICS and JellyBean are possible once again. On top of that, today Google announced what's arguably the best smartphone right now (not only android), the Nexus 4, and this time with the nexus brand it will not get left behind in the software department.
So, it looks like I'm willing to give LG another chance with this new device despite the history with the g2x. And when the new roms (g2x) start appearing in the development section, I'll sure be flashing them.
What do you think about LG, are you giving them a chance too?
Here's the link to the Nexus 4:
Nexus 4 on Google Play
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Do you understand what the word never means homie? If you were a battered wife, and your husband was like Hey, I'll treat you betta baby. Are you gonna be that idiot who sticks with 'em cuz you got a baby on the way?
No. You distance yourself as much as possible and try to raise the kid right. Away from bad influences, like LG. LG gon' beat yo kids, homie.

nycelitemaster said:
Please stop creating such threads like these, search forums this has been discussed before.
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+¹
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kiddecks said:
Do you understand what the word never means homie? If you were a battered wife, and your husband was like Hey, I'll treat you betta baby. Are you gonna be that idiot who sticks with 'em cuz you got a baby on the way?
No. You distance yourself as much as possible and try to raise the kid right. Away from bad influences, like LG. LG gon' beat yo kids, homie.
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Except that in real life a lot if women stay with their abusive partners...
In my case, I've had a good track record with LG (two dumb phones followed by two smartphones), then the G2x. My next phone was going to be the Galaxy Nexus, but that's been replaced by the Nexus 4 and for the same price so looks like LG has me for my sixth phone in a row. After my contract is up in July, though, I'm still considering Windows Phone 8 or I'll just use the Nexus on a prepaid T-Mobile plan.
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That was the funnest thing I saw all day. Thank :thumbup:
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Im just going to start replying to these kind of threads by this:
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Whatever.. I just wanted to communicate with you guys here. Now I know it's just a waste of time. I'm glad I'm getting the Nexus and I won't need to be here as much.

Vago023 said:
Whatever.. I just wanted to communicate with you guys here. Now I know it's just a waste of time. I'm glad I'm getting the Nexus and I won't need to be here as much.
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With that attitude ...we will too.
All set aside, you could've communicated in one of the MANY "i hate LG " threads. There seems to be an abundance these days, but that's one thing users tend to hate around here, multiple threads on the same topic or content.
Now that being said, the other guys were just giving you a hard time. So wasn't i, my pic was more for their humor,not to directly insult you.
So you can get a huffy over a couple post giving you a hard time for something thats clearly stated in the rules and run away, or kick back,shoot the ****, laugh a lil, and you may just find there is some cool stuff and a lil life left in our G2x.
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kiddecks said:
Do you understand what the word never means homie? If you were a battered wife, and your husband was like Hey, I'll treat you betta baby. Are you gonna be that idiot who sticks with 'em cuz you got a baby on the way?
No. You distance yourself as much as possible and try to raise the kid right. Away from bad influences, like LG. LG gon' beat yo kids, homie.
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Hide yo kids, hide yo wife?

justjackyl said:
Im just going to start replying to these kind of threads by this:
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And how EXACTLY is he a Noob?
justjackyl said:
With that attitude ...we will too.
All set aside, you could've communicated in one of the MANY "i hate LG " threads.
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Instead of making this into a flame the OP thread, maybe you should stop and read it. At first glance it did look it was one of those, then I actually read and noticed that, if anything, it was about the next nexus phone and whether or not, despite the 'LG never again' bit some throw around, people from this forum will take an interest and perhaps buy it.
Vago023 said:
Whatever.. I just wanted to communicate with you guys here. Now I know it's just a waste of time. I'm glad I'm getting the Nexus and I won't need to be here as much.
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Good luck, maybe they won't have the elitism which this forum tends to have.

Vago023 said:
Whatever.. I just wanted to communicate with you guys here. Now I know it's just a waste of time. I'm glad I'm getting the Nexus and I won't need to be here as much.
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I hear ya. Definitely seen friendlier devices sections of this forum. I think it's just people are so unhappy with going a year and no ICS source that they take it out on others.
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Волк said:
And how EXACTLY is he a Noob?
ITS A FREAKIN JOKE LOL
Instead of making this into a flame the OP thread, maybe you should stop and read it. At first glance it did look it was one of those, then I actually read and noticed that, if anything, it was about the next nexus phone and whether or not, despite the 'LG never again' bit some throw around, people from this forum will take an interest and perhaps buy it.
And both have been and are disscussed in other threads. Which, is what the center of of the negativity.
Good luck, maybe they won't have the elitism which this forum tends to have.
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People in our forum may have gone just a bit over the top with all the excitement of a future for our G2X's... They don't read threads carefully anymore and just want to go all out on people. I don't see anything wrong with this thread.. He's just giving us his opinion on LG.

Yuvin said:
People in our forum may have gone just a bit over the top with all the excitement of a future for our G2X's... They don't read threads carefully anymore and just want to go all out on people. I don't see anything wrong with this thread.. He's just giving us his opinion on LG.
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Agree completely, some people are just bitter. If you don't like lg sell your phone and get something else. Don't worry about someone else that has changed their opinion. I don't like how the g2x turned out and just like the op I told myself I wouldn't buy lg again, but the nexus 4 and it's specs look pretty good. I'm not going to pick it up right away, but I'm going to wait a few months and see how development goes. The nexus line has always been awesome for development and often the first to get new release of android.
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I'll buy another LG once they officially release and support ICS on this phone like they should have a LOOONG time ago. Alternately if they come out and publicly acknowledged they completely, knowingly, willfully F'ed G2X buyers and offer us free Nexus 4's or other phone running ICS/JB with specs similar to or better than the G2x to make up for the lost money and many, many hours of wasted infuriating frustration.
I have a feeing the source drop and the SU660 ICS release may have been done under pressure from Google given the current LG/Nexus partnership, and while it's very welcome, it's also just about the smallest, minimal gesture that would actually still help heal the gigantic bloody insult LG has perpetrated on those who tried to support them by buying their new untested flagship phone at launch!!
T-Mobile/LG all but stole $500 from me when they sold me this deeply flawed phone. I don't forgive such theft because of a fancy new product or some dramatically late, minimal source code.
Maybe, maybe in a few years if they earn a stellar reputation of supporting their phones after purchase and keeping them updated with the latest Android I'll reconsider. But unless the Nexus partnership really changes LG's development dramatically I will not expect that to happen.

People, be nice to each other. Have some tolerance, it is better simply to not add to the fired when one or two already started going offtopic or being offensive to the OP, think about the bandwidth! :good:

Ppl, just follow the
"it's better to keep your mouth shut if you have nothing good to say" rule.
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OP has misunderstood reality, thinking somehow that LG releasing ICS for su660 is then doing him a favor.
Anything we get is purely and only due to RC and CM. LG still sucks BIG TIME. T-mo also sucks unfortunately.
Nice hardware with Google support is tempting, but LG hasn't changed, so screw them.
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cricketAC said:
Ppl, just follow the
"it's better to keep your mouth shut if you have nothing good to say" rule.
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i like my rule better...if you don't have anything nice to say about someone, come sit next to me! LMAO