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T-mobile plans to ax MT4GS and other phones

http://androidandme.com/2012/01/news/t-mobile-puts-six-android-phones-on-the-chopping-block/
Less than a year and they are talking of Cutting models?!

Nearing, not at, so who knows how long that will drag on.
They must have something coming up their sleeves, we'll see what happens.
Whatever it is, i'm with this device for a while to come. I got some nuts to crack with development for it, and i've picked this one to stop and learn all the ins-and-outs of Android on.
The Achilles heel of this device is the lack of internal storage, (battery aside) to me it's where the ball got dropped on this one. With the 16/32 gig internal available on releasing models, that's a significant difference, and probably skews the playing field a bit.
Speaking of field, the near field technology deal is another thing that's being released that T-Mo might be trying to get devices with and capitalize on. Since Verizon dropped the ball by putting a blockage between the tech and Google Wallet (which, really, is what makes it work for point of sale payments) I can see other carriers trying to get in on it like Sprint did to distinguish themselves from #1 by offering a service they don't.
Dunno, it's really all speculation at this point in the game, but i'm with this one for the long haul. The longer I stick with this one, the quicker/easier it'll be to transition to another and i'll probably be able to pull my ROMs forward to whatever the next good hardware keyboard device is.
(really, after learning all the shortcut keys for the hardware buttons, how could you not have that?? It's like trying to type on a real computer wearing mittens without them.)

This makes me mad, but really, we don't know what exactly this means. I wish more people would have realized what an awesome phone this is.

wth? this makes no sense at all... i could see them discontinuing silders (although not liking the idea) but seeing sensation amaze and the mid/low end LG models too makes me wonder.
perhaps they are the least popular ones? sounds kinda weird tho

Yeah, sensation was/is very popular.... Amaze literally just came out. it's a beast... Dub tee eff
Just my spare change.

Blue6IX said:
Nearing, not at, so who knows how long that will drag on.
They must have something coming up their sleeves, we'll see what happens.
Whatever it is, i'm with this device for a while to come. I got some nuts to crack with development for it, and i've picked this one to stop and learn all the ins-and-outs of Android on.
The Achilles heel of this device is the lack of internal storage, (battery aside) to me it's where the ball got dropped on this one. With the 16/32 gig internal available on releasing models, that's a significant difference, and probably skews the playing field a bit.
Speaking of field, the near field technology deal is another thing that's being released that T-Mo might be trying to get devices with and capitalize on. Since Verizon dropped the ball by putting a blockage between the tech and Google Wallet (which, really, is what makes it work for point of sale payments) I can see other carriers trying to get in on it like Sprint did to distinguish themselves from #1 by offering a service they don't.
Dunno, it's really all speculation at this point in the game, but i'm with this one for the long haul. The longer I stick with this one, the quicker/easier it'll be to transition to another and i'll probably be able to pull my ROMs forward to whatever the next good hardware keyboard device is.
(really, after learning all the shortcut keys for the hardware buttons, how could you not have that?? It's like trying to type on a real computer wearing mittens without them.)
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Have you read up on mtd any? Something I was noticing as well, although its not like I've gone anywhere near limits of this device... And I'm with u unless they drop a 5" keyboard device... Like a samsung epic note.... Would switch back to samsunk then.
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mtd?
Could you expand on that a bit? I skipped sleep yet again, last night, and it's just not clicking right now.
I spent the last couple of hours browsing over the forums here in our little corner of XDA. I didn't really have the head to get any work done, and so much has happened that i've missed recently. Taking a few hours to just browse around and read this or that and catch up a little bit has been helpful.
There was a time not too long ago where i'd read every post in the MT4GS forums, most multiple times. Just a few weeks float by and now there's so much I have to catch up on, there are still a few topics I need to spend some time wrapping my head around.
I'd love to spend a day just reading up on and playing with MR. Root, the download mode thread, and the various Hboot threads to just soak them all in together and see where I could help out. Then i'd love to build on that by taking a good long look at the string of OTA updates and see what it'll take to crack the latest un-rootable roadblock we got tossed. Maybe pick up something along the way to add to it all.
I dunno, at the moment sleep deprived and just a tad overwhelmed by the amount of information here I haven't had the chance to soak in yet, and all the stuff i'm trying to roll out for my ROM - and i've got a lot of threads that are getting out of date that need to be brought current, added to and finished.
This little floating session has kinda given me a good handle on what I need to do to make progress in all the aforementioned areas though, so when I sit down I can just get started instead of trying to figure out what i'm doing.
Kinda useless right this very moment, but that's okay because I got 11 minutes before I have to walk out the door. I'll turn all this over in my head during the day, and hit the ground running when I get to steal some time tonight.
Meantime, what's mtd? lmao

Etrick said:
Have you read up on mtd any? Something I was noticing as well, although its not like I've gone anywhere near limits of this device... And I'm with u unless they drop a 5" keyboard device... Like a samsung epic note.... Would switch back to samsunk then.
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Agreed.
The problem is, at least in my opinion, high end devices with QWERTY keyboards are really rare. If you look at TMob's lineup, they've got the Sidekick 4G, the Cliq2, the gravity smart, the MTQ, and the MT4GS. Only the 4GS is really a high end device, with the rest either being mid-tier, or really crappy.
What's really sad is that the only other carrier who seems to have a decent variety of QWERTY androids is Verizon. Sprint and AT&T don't seem that interested (although AT&T has the captivate glide (which is about the level of the Cliq2, IMO), and I think the general perception is that QWERTY devices are for entry level texters.
I didn't meant to go off on a tangent, but I think the MT4GS, discontinued or not, is going to be the only option for QWERTY lovers for a while. I am hoping we see a MT5GS after a while, but the fact that LG seems to be making MT devices concerns me. Maybe the MT4GS was the last hurrah of the line.

I can see them getting chopped up and divided amongst the other carriers. Maybe they're getting ready for that?

Blue6IX said:
Meantime, what's mtd? lmao
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MTD as i remember it from the G1 and the MT3GS is the ability to grow and shrink partitions. Using a flashable .zip and a .txt file on the Sdcard, for example, we were able to grow the data partition at the cost of cache and system (good if we were using an AOSP rom like Cyanogenmod).
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Ah nice - thanks. Now that you jog my memory, that was brought up in a thread around here sometime not long ago.
Think it was a thread about app 2 sd? Not sure - thanks for the clarification
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Blue6IX said:
Ah nice - thanks. Now that you jog my memory, that was brought up in a thread around here sometime not long ago.
Think it was a thread about app 2 sd? Not sure - thanks for the clarification
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Glad my bad explaining can help the community XD
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izzy001 said:
Glad my bad explaining can help the community XD
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Nah, you did great, and that's about as much as I know about it anyways so it put it in a frame of reference for me which was exactly what I needed
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Have you read up on mtd any? ...
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Nah, not really - and intentionally so actually. In my quest to make Bulletproof be as stable as possible this is something that would throw a monkey wrench in my work at this time.
In the future it's on the list, because i'm ending up with internal space that is essentially wasted, and this probably the best way to reclaim that and make it usable.
I'm a little jealous of all the knowledge most of you have from having Android phones before - stuff like this you just know about, whereas i'd have to actively look for it unless someone mentions it off-hand, and it's hard to look for things you don't know exist.

That only means they're going to stop selling it. Look at the G2. They declared its end of life eight months after it first went on the market.
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blackknightavalon said:
That only means they're going to stop selling it. Look at the G2. They declared its end of life eight months after it first went on the market.
Sent via smoke signal.
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And I used mine well past that point.
Just my spare change.

mt4gs is just a plain good phone with its camera and dual core. Its still sized as a phone should be in my book. We have true ICS working, sense ics working, and a good heap of feature complete GB roms as well... So if they dont produce something unprecedented in the mobile camera business in the following year, its a keeper anyway... i even ordered it from here europe to enjoy this amazing phone. I say get while you still can...lol

i think i figured out why t-mobile would want to do this.
the chances are that new phones with S4 snapdragons are around the corner (MWC) and with them being 28nm SoCs the battery life will be dramatically improved, which to be fair is the real downside of current phones...
still, it's very very sad to see a phone discontinued after just few months

Looks like the rumors of the mT4GS' demise were exaggerated. Looks like it was a fat finger error. There is still life for this great phone. Nothing to see here move along.
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hmm well, sell through is not good either, just means a few more months to go before eol

izzy001 said:
MTD as i remember it from the G1 and the MT3GS is the ability to grow and shrink partitions. Using a flashable .zip and a .txt file on the Sdcard, for example, we were able to grow the data partition at the cost of cache and system (good if we were using an AOSP rom like Cyanogenmod).
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MTD is an acronym for Memory Technology Device. It describes the CLASS OF STORAGE NAND hardware, and the driver infrastructure in the Linux kernel that was responsible for managing it.
Those scripts that you remember using were manipulating the default kernel command line, in order to feed a customized PARTITION TABLE into the MTD DRIVER, rather than the "fixed" one stored within the hardware's SPL.
This does not apply to Doubleshot, since Doubleshot uses an eMMC instead, though there may be similar approaches to feeding the eMMC driver a custom partition table.
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Blue6IX said:
The Achilles heel of this device is the lack of internal storage, (battery aside) to me it's where the ball got dropped on this one. With the 16/32 gig internal available on releasing models, that's a significant difference, and probably skews the playing field a bit.
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Don't most of those 16/32 GB internal storage devices LACK an sdcard slot? If so, then Doubleshot has a potential for up to 34 GB storage, which is 2 GB more than a 32 GB device...

Unexpected reboots

So it seems I'm getting more and more of these nowadays. At first I thought it might be Battery HD, which I removed, as I didn't remember installing anything else lately which might be running, but today at the very moment I removed the tablet from the dock, it just rebooted (almost) instantly. Wonder if more of you experience this.
I was getting these on the stock launcher yesterday and I'm getting it today while on Nova.
I would really love this unlocking tool right now..

i got mines on thursday and have not had one reboot.
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Strange...mine hasn't rebooted once. Check through your tweaks you did, some of those might be causing an issue
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yeah... or not
see http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1789618 and other similar posts here

After reading your posts...your OBVIOUSLY doing much more to your unit than the average user. Especially since it just started happening to you after you did all these tweaks.
The glowball thread is irrevelant....just because someone is havingan issue with an APP...now all of a sudden its a disease and your unit caught it.....
Comical..

If you expect the unexpected, is there truly a thing as an unexpected reboot?

Well, certainly wasn't expecting it to constantly reboot on undocking, so I guess the pun doesn't work in this case.

d14b0ll0s said:
Well, certainly wasn't expecting it to constantly reboot on undocking, so I guess the pun doesn't work in this case.
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Pun? That was no pun. You weren't expecting the unexpected so you were surprised.

I was expecting not to have them... let's just... EOT. I don't see a point in analysing my expectations further, as this was not the issue in the first place. You may call them "sudden" if this helps you settle things in your mind.

jdeoxys said:
If you expect the unexpected, is there truly a thing as an unexpected reboot?
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jdeoxys said:
Pun? That was no pun. You weren't expecting the unexpected so you were surprised.
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At least now we now how you get to over 776 posts with ease. Just put up this kind of crap all over the place. Not really helpful, ey? What kind of Chinese herbal hallucinogen did you use before logging in? It might help your GP or psychiatrist to pinpoint the issue.

MartyHulskemper said:
At least now we now how you get to over 776 posts with ease. Just put up this kind of crap all over the place. Not really helpful, ey? What kind of Chinese herbal hallucinogen did you use before logging in? It might help your GP or psychiatrist to pinpoint the issue.
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Calm down, no need to get all bootybothered, it was just a joke. And besides, I only post this stuff once in a while. Also, I do try my best to help people most of the time but whatever, bro.

I am not a power user by any means, and I can confirm that the machine rebooted a couple of times while watching 720p videos.
Is there a CPU usage/temperature log somewhere on android? That could help track down the origin of these nasty reboots and file complaints to ASUS.
Early Infinity adopters unite!

You can find numerous apps for CPU monitoring in the playstore, but I haven't found one for monitoring CPU temperature (only battery temperature)
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I've had at least 2-3 random reboots in the last 4 days. Once it happened while loading up the Facebook app. Another time it happened while browsing the web with the stock browser. Both times the screen when white and had a thin black line down the side, then after 15s the boot screen appeared with the Asus logo.
So far most everything has been working and I've been happy with the Infinity. But having a number of random reboots in a single week and not being able to get an uptime over 2 days is a fairly major problem for me. Note that it is not rooted or tweaked in any way.

Splaktar said:
I've had at least 2-3 random reboots in the last 4 days. Once it happened while loading up the Facebook app. Another time it happened while browsing the web with the stock browser. Both times the screen when white and had a thin black line down the side, then after 15s the boot screen appeared with the Asus logo.
So far most everything has been working and I've been happy with the Infinity. But having a number of random reboots in a single week and not being able to get an uptime over 2 days is a fairly major problem for me. Note that it is not rooted or tweaked in any way.
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Cold boot it! :good:

I flashed WW firmware yesterday, so no tweaks now either apart from sio, and I already got a reboot while using RepliGo today (which is my primary use of the tablet anyway).

jdeoxys said:
Calm down, no need to get all bootybothered, it was just a joke. And besides, I only post this stuff once in a while. Also, I do try my best to help people most of the time but whatever, bro.
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I've never seen so much butt jokes from one person in so short a time. I used to be the champion, but we found the new one.
I wasn't really angry, by the way, but just posting crap like that without anything to add to the discussion (and multiple threads: "maximum butt pain" -- meh), well, that's hardly to be called constructive participation, is it?
Now let's go help some people, then. Unified effort.

MartyHulskemper said:
I've never seen so much butt jokes from one person in so short a time. I used to be the champion, but we found the new one.
Now let's go help some people, then. Unified effort.
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Ohh great......now their "BUTT BUDDIES"

I'm going to take the Windows Phone Challenge. Any advice?

A Windows Store recently opened near me. I figured I may as well give it a shot.
Currently running CM10, though I might switch back to AOKP Milestone 6.3 since things are a bit more stable there. Because the competition is done from boot, I can't have apps cached. It's probably a good idea to overclock this thing a bit, as well.
They can choose any challenge they want, and it's more than likely that they'll try to pick one that MS Corporate has identified to be a trouble area for my particular phone. Having a custom ROM on here might serve to level the playing field a bit, but by how much I don't know.
Certain things like disabling the lock screen and putting certain apps (Maps, Local, etc) on the main home screen are easy enough to do, but I was wondering if there was anything else to take into consideration. For example, the Facebook widget lets me update my status right from the home screen, a step less than needed with the Me tile on WP. Also, if I remember right, one of the challenges that has gotten a bit of notoriety is having to display two cities' weather data simultaneously. I think I can do this with a pair of widgets, but I'm not sure which.
Also, the prize is a $1000 MS Store gift card if I thoroughly smoke the Windows Phone (all six challenges). I'm not sure what they'll all be (I'd imagine a few of them would be lifted from the ads), but I know I can beat the Lumia 900 in a few of them.
Edit: Just thought of something - what if I were to use a WP-style launcher with some functioning live tiles to win? That'd really mess with them.

Lol they did the same thing 3 months ago but they are lame because they don't let you go in with such high end device like the hox. Make sure to have a widget showing the time in two cities, that's their favorite challange

I'm sure you've looked into it, but heres a list of the most common ones they use, plus some of the conditions:
http://slickdeals.net/f/4143624-NEW-Smoked-By-Windows-Phone-Contest-3-30-12-4-5-12-100-Phones-Per-Day-500-25-Gift-Cards
And if you can get a Windows Phone launcher set up and feel confident with it, please record it, I'm sure the looks on their faces will be priceless.

From the rules in the link above:
"Your smartphone must be using the original, unmodified operating system that came standard on your smartphone. Any entries for which the challenge task has been pre-loaded are not eligible."
Oh well.
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wondows phone challenge is stupid IMO, MS needs to stop the nonsense.
Heres a windows phone challenge, have a ton of apps in your app store

I'll have obtain a copy of the current rules from the store and pick through them. I'm not sure what the whole "can't have challenges pre-loaded" deal is, but if they disqualify me for having widgets while having live tiles pinned to the screen, that's a load of garbage.
Also, the part where it says I can't have an unmodified phone is at the least worded fatuously. Really? The version that came with the phone? Guess I have to go back to 1.85 and have nothing on it...
I don't think the employees would really be able to tell the difference if I came in with an AOSP ROM, but I suppose I could just pop the latest version of CleanROM on there and tweak it under the hood. Sense is pretty well-integrated into social networks, though I'm not sure if it's quicker than the multi-network updates from the WP me tile.

Vendetta-NY said:
From the rules in the link above:
"Your smartphone must be using the original, unmodified operating system that came standard on your smartphone. Any entries for which the challenge task has been pre-loaded are not eligible."
Oh well.
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Assuming thwy're smart enough to know. Just walk in with Apex / Nova / stock? I'm not sure how strict they are, but I wouldn't give them too much credit, their just sales reps.

If there were no rules I would : any 4.0.3 ROM to use beast mode kernel. OC to 2.1 ghz and use performance governor so it stays at max. Use dual core mod so both cores are always active, and last but not least go into developer and disable animations. And keep an ice pack near by so you don't have anything catch on fire.
[email protected] windows app store. Very true. Luckily play store in my opinion is as good as app store for iOS. I think its a little superior since it loads much faster and doesn't require a password to update and download apps. I hate visiting the app store on my iPad. Unbelievably slow. The whole os is sluggish compared to this...

Make sure fastboot is enabled. Many of the challenges are from power off....
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Would fastboot allow for quicker initialization of apps from startup? I'm pretty sure the reboot is just to clear apps from RAM, and that boot time isn't part of the challenge.

Protogon said:
A Windows Store recently opened near me. I figured I may as well give it a shot.
Currently running CM10, though I might switch back to AOKP Milestone 6.3 since things are a bit more stable there. Because the competition is done from boot, I can't have apps cached. It's probably a good idea to overclock this thing a bit, as well.
They can choose any challenge they want, and it's more than likely that they'll try to pick one that MS Corporate has identified to be a trouble area for my particular phone. Having a custom ROM on here might serve to level the playing field a bit, but by how much I don't know.
Certain things like disabling the lock screen and putting certain apps (Maps, Local, etc) on the main home screen are easy enough to do, but I was wondering if there was anything else to take into consideration. For example, the Facebook widget lets me update my status right from the home screen, a step less than needed with the Me tile on WP. Also, if I remember right, one of the challenges that has gotten a bit of notoriety is having to display two cities' weather data simultaneously. I think I can do this with a pair of widgets, but I'm not sure which.
Also, the prize is a $1000 MS Store gift card if I thoroughly smoke the Windows Phone (all six challenges). I'm not sure what they'll all be (I'd imagine a few of them would be lifted from the ads), but I know I can beat the Lumia 900 in a few of them.
Edit: Just thought of something - what if I were to use a WP-style launcher with some functioning live tiles to win? That'd really mess with them.
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Seems pretty intresting, lol I'd love to try as well . Well anyways what i can help you with is for the ROM does it have to be stock? If not just pick somthing like CleanRom 4.2 and overclock it to 2.1Glz or 1.9 (Whichever works better for you). Second choice would be to use a Vanila rom like what your using. Other than that all i can say is good luck!
EDIT: Some reason, it didnt load anything other than the OP.... Oh well, only if you could mod...

In the videos I've seen some of the challenges included booting the phone from power off.
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Don't take it. They minus will call it the: we compare our flagship phone to your outdated one and choose challenges that we have selected that specifically target the weaknesses of your phone in order to get more people to buy our phones.

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Don't take it. They minus will call it the: we compare our flagship phone to your outdated one and choose challenges that we have selected that specifically target the weaknesses of your phone in order to get more people to buy our phones.
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Well, the idea is to overcome the weaknesses by eking out as much performance as I can and setting up my UI in a way that lets me do things as efficiently as WP can, like you can with Android. I could pop the latest CleanROM on there and the MS store employees would be none the wiser.

beaups said:
In the videos I've seen some of the challenges included booting the phone from power off.
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in which I'm sure sense's fast boot would win
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Protogon said:
Well, the idea is to overcome the weaknesses by eking out as much performance as I can and setting up my UI in a way that lets me do things as efficiently as WP can, like you can with Android. I could pop the latest CleanROM on there and the MS store employees would be none the wiser.
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Well then why not pop in a kernel too
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I think that the Windows Phone challenge is just plain dumb. The fact that they dictate exactly what the challenge is just seems to rigged to me

You're going to lose, and even if you win, they're going to find a way to get out of giving you anything. People have tried this, and MS has screwed them out of it.

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Well then why not pop in a kernel too
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It's supposed to be "Stock" which can mean a lot of things, too vague.

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It's supposed to be "Stock" which can mean a lot of things, too vague.
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Yeah, this is what I'm worried about the most. They could weasel their way out of losing by claiming most any modification I make the phone has taken it from stock. I'm not safe from this clause unless I run a 1.85 RUU, relock the bootloader and make no changes to the phone except from the initial setup.

[Q] Linux on TF700T

This is not a question of how to get it working, but rather why? Why would you want Linux in stead of Android? I've been a Windows person since well... birth I guess, never really used Mac or Linux. Can someone give me a reason why the average Angry Birds playing Android enthusiast would want Linux on their tablet?

Android is based upon Linux. Just saying.
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Here are my inputs to your linux questions.
I would prefer it because you have so much more freedom in what you can do with the tablet in every aspect.
Android is better than IOS from that point of view, but the apps isn't as good as ordinary programs.
In linux i could have use of GIMP, Openoffice or the fully fledged libreoffice. I can mount whatever device i want in whatever format i want.
In linux im not restricted to the drivers Asus provides for 3G sticks or anything else for that matter.
The only drawback would be games, but sence i'm not a gamer any longer i don't care about games so much. Not that Linux don't have good games for it. More and more are coming, Valve comitted themselfs recently to Linux.
I like the stability of Linux, and it is always developed and i don't have to wait for Asus to provide for the latest builds of kernels.
In linux i would have drivers for my printer in a better way than in android or IOS.
I don't like the restrictions in android, with me voiding my warrantys or risking of bricking my device trying to bypass that restrictions for costumizing a device that i own. I like the idea Ubuntu is bringing in on having Linux side by side with Android, and enjoy the best of both worlds.
The road almost every hardwaremaker is taking is not god at all, they sell a device that they don't maintain for so many software cycles in development, and then you are forced to buy a new one if you want the latest software. On top of that all manufactures lock you down to what you have by locking the bootloaders, thats pure evil. Its like you buying a new car and GM locks 2 of the 5 gears so you cant use them.
I love the infinity, but it could be so mutch better releasing the full potential with linux on it.
Thats my input to the discussion, hope it clear things out for you.
Best regards
Mackis
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A window manager and X server with multi head out.

Totaly agree, that would be in a perfect world!

GaryParr said:
A window manager and X server with multi head out.
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Do you know if Tegra 3 can do multi-head?

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Do you know if Tegra 3 can do multi-head?
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I'm going to go with a "yes" on this one since Android is capable of sending 2 different displays currently. Think about HDMI hooked up and watching YouTube... full screen video on one device while the YouTube app remains active on the other. Unless there is some other trickery going on here, that would indicate different display channels.

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I'm going to go with a "yes" on this one since Android is capable of sending 2 different displays currently. Think about HDMI hooked up and watching YouTube... full screen video on one device while the YouTube app remains active on the other. Unless there is some other trickery going on here, that would indicate different display channels.
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I now had a look at the documentation of Linux for Tegra, and it says: "Dual display (LVDS+HDMI): Mirror mode, Extended mode". This should confirm that with the right software we should be able to get a dual display desktop.

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I now had a look at the documentation of Linux for Tegra, and it says: "Dual display (LVDS+HDMI): Mirror mode, Extended mode". This should confirm that with the right software we should be able to get a dual display desktop.
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Now we just need to dig through the Prime forums for more information on how people have managed to load a Linux ARM distribution with dual boot and I can finally get rid of my laptop.

here is a link to a person who has done it on a tf201
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=sK_4cXHnyss

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here is a link to a person who has done it on a tf201
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=sK_4cXHnyss
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The XDA thread for that is here but from what I can gather, the original developer is currently focused on other things and the most recent images are not much beyond a POC / beta quality. I did some research into Plasma Active, but it seems no one has done much work on any ARM devices past Tegra 2. I'm beginnig to think the best option for someone who wants a touch-enabled transformer with Linux is to wait for the AiO and then replace Wn8.

I don't know if this will work but I found this in the wiki section about how to install ubuntu. Its not for the TF700 but I'm hoping it can be adapted to work. I think I might try this sometime after I get my desktop set up with ubuntu.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/wiki/ASUS_Eee_Pad_Transformer/How_to_install_Ubuntu

Mackis said:
Here are my inputs to your linux questions.
I would prefer it because you have so much more freedom in what you can do with the tablet in every aspect.
Android is better than IOS from that point of view, but the apps isn't as good as ordinary programs.
In linux i could have use of GIMP, Openoffice or the fully fledged libreoffice. I can mount whatever device i want in whatever format i want.
In linux im not restricted to the drivers Asus provides for 3G sticks or anything else for that matter.
The only drawback would be games, but sence i'm not a gamer any longer i don't care about games so much. Not that Linux don't have good games for it. More and more are coming, Valve comitted themselfs recently to Linux.
I like the stability of Linux, and it is always developed and i don't have to wait for Asus to provide for the latest builds of kernels.
In linux i would have drivers for my printer in a better way than in android or IOS.
I don't like the restrictions in android, with me voiding my warrantys or risking of bricking my device trying to bypass that restrictions for costumizing a device that i own. I like the idea Ubuntu is bringing in on having Linux side by side with Android, and enjoy the best of both worlds.
The road almost every hardwaremaker is taking is not god at all, they sell a device that they don't maintain for so many software cycles in development, and then you are forced to buy a new one if you want the latest software. On top of that all manufactures lock you down to what you have by locking the bootloaders, thats pure evil. Its like you buying a new car and GM locks 2 of the 5 gears so you cant use them.
I love the infinity, but it could be so mutch better releasing the full potential with linux on it.
Thats my input to the discussion, hope it clear things out for you.
Best regards
Mackis
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Thank you very much... I've now actually tried Ubuntu and I must say... it's pretty darn awesome, a dualboot between the two OS's would be amazing!

bhambalek said:
Android is based upon Linux. Just saying.
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Yes and Windows 7 still probably has some parts of DOS burried deep within it, Android originally did use linux's kernel, but in just about every other way it is completely different. Try it if you haven't.

Android still does use Linux kernels. uname -a on the command line is your friend.
The Android kernels are modified desktop kernels, but still Linux kernels.
What I don't understand is why these devices come without root permission. And why hardware providers aren't allowing/using the open source community to do more development. I have no problem with Google leading the development direction, in a manner similar to what Linus does with Desktop Linux.
As far as I am concerned, the state of JB is dreadful.

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What I don't understand is why these devices come without root permission.
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Because they can get away with it. The average customer doesn't care and just wants a device that works. But you also see that even root permission is still not enough as long as there are things that take away control over our own devices like locked bootloaders with signature checks and "secure boot". Not a good future for free and open source software.
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why hardware providers aren't allowing/using the open source community to do more development.
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Because that already failed for Nokia - remember Maemo/Meego/Tizen/whatever they will call it next week? At least everybody can write open source apps for Android and even upload them to the "official" market without jumping through hoops - something that is neither possible with iOS nor with Windows RT.
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I have no problem with Google leading the development direction, in a manner similar to what Linus does with Desktop Linux.
As far as I am concerned, the state of JB is dreadful.
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I don't see Linus leading anything in relation to desktop Linux except the kernel. Desktop Linux is defined by Ubuntu and other desktop-centric distributions, and their success in the desktop market is ... let's say: limited - and I don't like many of their recent decisions either. While Google, with their "dreadful" (care to elaborate?) Android, has managed to take the leading position in the mobile market.

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Because they can get away with it. The average customer doesn't care and just wants a device that works. But you also see that even root permission is still not enough as long as there are things that take away control over our own devices like locked bootloaders with signature checks and "secure boot". Not a good future for free and open source software.
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I just want to toss out the notion that "because they can get away with it" is a bit cynical. Lets be honest about something here. These devices are a gold mine for exploitation. In one single device you potentially have all of your accounts, passwords, contacts, schedule and shopping list. On top of that, your device is constantly connecting to unknown networks where it could pick up any number of malicious code before returning to home base and linking back to everything behind your firewalled router. You are correct that the average user just "wants a device that works" but more importantly, they want a device that will not cause secuity problems and give the world open access to their credit scores and bank accounts. How quick is the Android fan community to jump on news of the latest iPhone security breach? I'm not saying root should be impossible or even as difficult to obtain as it sometimes is. I'm just saying that it is not part of the OS by default for reasons other than "because they can."
EDIT - Wanted to say that I'm not trying to be an arse or anything. You may very well agree with what I've just posted. It's just that there are so many "gut reactions" to things out there that we sometimes forget the rational explanations.

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These devices are a gold mine for exploitation. In one single device you potentially have all of your accounts, passwords, contacts, schedule and shopping list. On top of that, your device is constantly connecting to unknown networks where it could pick up any number of malicious code before returning to home base and linking back to everything behind your firewalled router. You are correct that the average user just "wants a device that works" but more importantly, they want a device that will not cause secuity problems and give the world open access to their credit scores and bank accounts.
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Good arguments, and I fully agree. But giving device owners the root password does not make the device any less secure (as long as the user does not do stupid things with it).
The dangerous thing are exactly the security holes that we like so much because it's the only way we can get control over our own devices.

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... as long as the user does not do stupid things with it.
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Ever work in a technical support role? It's pretty much a given.

pietpodlood said:
Thank you very much... I've now actually tried Ubuntu and I must say... it's pretty darn awesome, a dualboot between the two OS's would be amazing!
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My pleasure!
And yes i agree it would have been amazing with dualboot.
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Because they can get away with it. The average customer doesn't care and just wants a device that works. But you also see that even root permission is still not enough as long as there are things that take away control over our own devices like locked bootloaders with signature checks and "secure boot". Not a good future for free and open source software.
Because that already failed for Nokia - remember Maemo/Meego/Tizen/whatever they will call it next week? At least everybody can write open source apps for Android and even upload them to the "official" market without jumping through hoops - something that is neither possible with iOS nor with Windows RT.
I don't see Linus leading anything in relation to desktop Linux except the kernel. Desktop Linux is defined by Ubuntu and other desktop-centric distributions, and their success in the desktop market is ... let's say: limited - and I don't like many of their recent decisions either. While Google, with their "dreadful" (care to elaborate?) Android, has managed to take the leading position in the mobile market.
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I think that even on the desktop its about to change, with games coming to linux through valve (steam) i think we will se a drastic change in users changing to Linux. I have been a Linux user from 1995 and i love the development of things even though it have been taking time to come where Linux is today, i see a bright future.
I like the idea Ubuntu is bringing in that you can have linux coexist with android, once you plug the device in to a computer screen or tv screen then you can use the full potential of Linux. I'm happy for Google that they brought some competition to the mobile market that drives development. But i don't like that i buy a device i can not do what i want with by restrictions like locked bootloaders. Its my device to do what i want to, i bought it and did not steal it..... This was the first Android tablet i bought but if they don't loosen things up it might just even be the last.
Best regards
Mackis

Build Quality/Issues?

Just wondering what people's experiences are so far with the physicalilty of the device. I really like the way it feels and fits in my hand, with the keyboard open and in landscape mode. Also love the feel of the keyboard, tho i might change a couple things in the key layout.
The one thing i'm seeing is my keys are already getting quite scuffed, perhaps from being pressed with my thumbnails? A few of the printed letters are wearing down and i'm afraid i won't be able to see them after not too much longer! Is anyone else seeing this?
Other than that, the overall build quality is ok, maybe a tad cheap-ish(?), but i like it. In some ways it could be my favorite qwerty phone yet.

Physically the phone is solid. Mentally.. not so much.

Agreed on the mental instability bit.
The things my Photon would do, but not limited to:
1. Notifications go into the ether (don't pop up in notification bar)
2. Apps that go fullscreen will sometimes cause the nav/status bar to black out
3. Vibrate completely at random
4. Take 5 minutes to unlock
5. Regularly see my SD card as "corrupted"
6. Autopunctuation fails at random
And that's all I can remember off the top of my head. It seems to have some real crazy quirks. Hoping CM10 makes it better.

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5. Regularly see my SD card as "corrupted"
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...YES...and now is my 32GB SD definitely dead
For me is this problem only with 32GB cards.16GB works fine.

I forgot to mention, the touchscreen seems a bit wonky to me.... Not very responsive, gotta press a few times sometimes to open an app, and it sorta freaks out sometimes and doesn't swipe from side to side and opens stuff i didn't mean to open. I had a Moto Cliq 2 and had similar touchscreen issues.
I think CM10 would be great on this device, we oughta get cracking on that build. I don't know for sure, but I'd be surprised if we ever got official support from the CM team.

yogi2010 said:
I think CM10 would be great on this device, we oughta get cracking on that build.
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Done.
Now to get it functional...
I still think we should focus on CM9, then worry about getting 10. But that's just me...

arrrghhh said:
Done.
Now to get it functional...
I still think we should focus on CM9, then worry about getting 10. But that's just me...
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Sounds good to me, we do have ICS source, right? How come the source download is only a few MB tho? Did they just release the drivers, and you gotta add them in to the rest of the code?

yogi2010 said:
Sounds good to me, we do have ICS source, right? How come the source download is only a few MB tho? Did they just release the drivers, and you gotta add them in to the rest of the code?
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Moto released the kernel source, they are under no obligation to release userland source.
I have gotten CM9 booting, but not much else. Interloper didn't have the device and was working on CM10... it never booted. I'm hoping he'll make some progress with the device in his hands.

arrrghhh said:
Moto released the kernel source, they are under no obligation to release userland source.
I have gotten CM9 booting, but not much else. Interloper didn't have the device and was working on CM10... it never booted. I'm hoping he'll make some progress with the device in his hands.
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For fun i have built an HTC kernel or two, and the source downloads were always almost 100 MB tho, so i was confused when i looked at our source, haha. I'm not real experienced tho.
From what i hear, getting it to boot is a huge part of it, so that's great. Hopefully we'll get further along soon!

yogi2010 said:
For fun i have built an HTC kernel or two, and the source downloads were always almost 100 MB tho, so i was confused when i looked at our source, haha. I'm not real experienced tho.
From what i hear, getting it to boot is a huge part of it, so that's great. Hopefully we'll get further along soon!
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The actual kernel source is something like 2gb uncompressed on my machine...

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The actual kernel source is something like 2gb uncompressed on my machine...
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Ah yes, i see it now lol. Had gone to the wrong link before.

CornholioGSM said:
...YES...and now is my 32GB SD definitely dead
For me is this problem only with 32GB cards.16GB works fine.
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64GB cards do this as well.
I have a fix: Go to a Mac (haven't tested this on PC) and have Disk Utility repair the SD card. Twice for good measure. Usually clears it right up. It's annoying when it happens and I'm nowhere near my computer, though.

arrrghhh said:
Moto released the kernel source, they are under no obligation to release userland source.
I have gotten CM9 booting, but not much else. Interloper didn't have the device and was working on CM10... it never booted. I'm hoping he'll make some progress with the device in his hands.
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They have a 3 month obligation before they violate the GPL for every kernel/software update.

The phone has some issues but so did my evo shift to a certain extent which is why I was re-flashing ROMS all the time. Go to any phone forum and there are always bugs
- I only have the weird touchscreen problems, that someone mentioned above, only when the phone is charging. A little weird. if I overtax the phone i can cause some hangups. I blame Android more than the touchscreen or processor.
- I'm in and out of cell service alot because of the location of my job. I've been blaming that for the fact that notifications come at weird times and out of order. When I'm in service all the time, notifications seem pretty solid.
- The physical keyboard seems to double-type occasionally, but overall I'm ok with its performance. Keyboard slide out mechanism is good, where on my evo shift I thought was a bit too..."loose"?
- I have the wifi drop problem that someone mentioned in another thread. I blame software on that as well. Maybe the next patch will get it right. These companies are just trying to push phones out the door these days. Remember when video games couldn't be updated over internet and how solid they were out the box? Nowadays, everything needs OTA patches at some point. Shame, but I digress.
- camera could be WAY better (auto-focus, poor lighting scenarios). This may be my biggest complaint, because this should be solid out the box given how far phone cameras have come. How long have phones had cameras now? I had a phone camera in 04.
I could give a long list of good physical and software points. Overall I'm really happy. JB would make me happier, but ICS on the Q is pretty darn good.

I have a few scrapes/scratches on my spacebar from sliding the phone open and closed so often, but that's it.
Also, that little oval/dot thing on the left side of the keyboard face of the phone to the left of the number 1, what is that?
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dpwhitty11 said:
Also, that little oval/dot thing on the left side of the keyboard face of the phone to the left of the number 1, what is that?
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Caps lock indicator.

cmags said:
Caps lock indicator.
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Is it supposed to light up or something?
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yes bro..it supposed to light on when we activate caps lock key..
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cloud_9 said:
yes bro..it supposed to light on when we activate caps lock key..
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Oh. Mine doesn't. Oh well.
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Ever since I updated, my keyboard backlight is no longer "automatic". Have to set it always on because it stops turning on when set on automatic.
Physically, phone is solid.