This is not a question of how to get it working, but rather why? Why would you want Linux in stead of Android? I've been a Windows person since well... birth I guess, never really used Mac or Linux. Can someone give me a reason why the average Angry Birds playing Android enthusiast would want Linux on their tablet?
Android is based upon Linux. Just saying.
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Here are my inputs to your linux questions.
I would prefer it because you have so much more freedom in what you can do with the tablet in every aspect.
Android is better than IOS from that point of view, but the apps isn't as good as ordinary programs.
In linux i could have use of GIMP, Openoffice or the fully fledged libreoffice. I can mount whatever device i want in whatever format i want.
In linux im not restricted to the drivers Asus provides for 3G sticks or anything else for that matter.
The only drawback would be games, but sence i'm not a gamer any longer i don't care about games so much. Not that Linux don't have good games for it. More and more are coming, Valve comitted themselfs recently to Linux.
I like the stability of Linux, and it is always developed and i don't have to wait for Asus to provide for the latest builds of kernels.
In linux i would have drivers for my printer in a better way than in android or IOS.
I don't like the restrictions in android, with me voiding my warrantys or risking of bricking my device trying to bypass that restrictions for costumizing a device that i own. I like the idea Ubuntu is bringing in on having Linux side by side with Android, and enjoy the best of both worlds.
The road almost every hardwaremaker is taking is not god at all, they sell a device that they don't maintain for so many software cycles in development, and then you are forced to buy a new one if you want the latest software. On top of that all manufactures lock you down to what you have by locking the bootloaders, thats pure evil. Its like you buying a new car and GM locks 2 of the 5 gears so you cant use them.
I love the infinity, but it could be so mutch better releasing the full potential with linux on it.
Thats my input to the discussion, hope it clear things out for you.
Best regards
Mackis
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A window manager and X server with multi head out.
Totaly agree, that would be in a perfect world!
GaryParr said:
A window manager and X server with multi head out.
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Do you know if Tegra 3 can do multi-head?
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Do you know if Tegra 3 can do multi-head?
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I'm going to go with a "yes" on this one since Android is capable of sending 2 different displays currently. Think about HDMI hooked up and watching YouTube... full screen video on one device while the YouTube app remains active on the other. Unless there is some other trickery going on here, that would indicate different display channels.
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I'm going to go with a "yes" on this one since Android is capable of sending 2 different displays currently. Think about HDMI hooked up and watching YouTube... full screen video on one device while the YouTube app remains active on the other. Unless there is some other trickery going on here, that would indicate different display channels.
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I now had a look at the documentation of Linux for Tegra, and it says: "Dual display (LVDS+HDMI): Mirror mode, Extended mode". This should confirm that with the right software we should be able to get a dual display desktop.
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I now had a look at the documentation of Linux for Tegra, and it says: "Dual display (LVDS+HDMI): Mirror mode, Extended mode". This should confirm that with the right software we should be able to get a dual display desktop.
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Now we just need to dig through the Prime forums for more information on how people have managed to load a Linux ARM distribution with dual boot and I can finally get rid of my laptop.
here is a link to a person who has done it on a tf201
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=sK_4cXHnyss
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here is a link to a person who has done it on a tf201
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=sK_4cXHnyss
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The XDA thread for that is here but from what I can gather, the original developer is currently focused on other things and the most recent images are not much beyond a POC / beta quality. I did some research into Plasma Active, but it seems no one has done much work on any ARM devices past Tegra 2. I'm beginnig to think the best option for someone who wants a touch-enabled transformer with Linux is to wait for the AiO and then replace Wn8.
I don't know if this will work but I found this in the wiki section about how to install ubuntu. Its not for the TF700 but I'm hoping it can be adapted to work. I think I might try this sometime after I get my desktop set up with ubuntu.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/wiki/ASUS_Eee_Pad_Transformer/How_to_install_Ubuntu
Mackis said:
Here are my inputs to your linux questions.
I would prefer it because you have so much more freedom in what you can do with the tablet in every aspect.
Android is better than IOS from that point of view, but the apps isn't as good as ordinary programs.
In linux i could have use of GIMP, Openoffice or the fully fledged libreoffice. I can mount whatever device i want in whatever format i want.
In linux im not restricted to the drivers Asus provides for 3G sticks or anything else for that matter.
The only drawback would be games, but sence i'm not a gamer any longer i don't care about games so much. Not that Linux don't have good games for it. More and more are coming, Valve comitted themselfs recently to Linux.
I like the stability of Linux, and it is always developed and i don't have to wait for Asus to provide for the latest builds of kernels.
In linux i would have drivers for my printer in a better way than in android or IOS.
I don't like the restrictions in android, with me voiding my warrantys or risking of bricking my device trying to bypass that restrictions for costumizing a device that i own. I like the idea Ubuntu is bringing in on having Linux side by side with Android, and enjoy the best of both worlds.
The road almost every hardwaremaker is taking is not god at all, they sell a device that they don't maintain for so many software cycles in development, and then you are forced to buy a new one if you want the latest software. On top of that all manufactures lock you down to what you have by locking the bootloaders, thats pure evil. Its like you buying a new car and GM locks 2 of the 5 gears so you cant use them.
I love the infinity, but it could be so mutch better releasing the full potential with linux on it.
Thats my input to the discussion, hope it clear things out for you.
Best regards
Mackis
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Thank you very much... I've now actually tried Ubuntu and I must say... it's pretty darn awesome, a dualboot between the two OS's would be amazing!
bhambalek said:
Android is based upon Linux. Just saying.
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Yes and Windows 7 still probably has some parts of DOS burried deep within it, Android originally did use linux's kernel, but in just about every other way it is completely different. Try it if you haven't.
Android still does use Linux kernels. uname -a on the command line is your friend.
The Android kernels are modified desktop kernels, but still Linux kernels.
What I don't understand is why these devices come without root permission. And why hardware providers aren't allowing/using the open source community to do more development. I have no problem with Google leading the development direction, in a manner similar to what Linus does with Desktop Linux.
As far as I am concerned, the state of JB is dreadful.
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What I don't understand is why these devices come without root permission.
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Because they can get away with it. The average customer doesn't care and just wants a device that works. But you also see that even root permission is still not enough as long as there are things that take away control over our own devices like locked bootloaders with signature checks and "secure boot". Not a good future for free and open source software.
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why hardware providers aren't allowing/using the open source community to do more development.
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Because that already failed for Nokia - remember Maemo/Meego/Tizen/whatever they will call it next week? At least everybody can write open source apps for Android and even upload them to the "official" market without jumping through hoops - something that is neither possible with iOS nor with Windows RT.
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I have no problem with Google leading the development direction, in a manner similar to what Linus does with Desktop Linux.
As far as I am concerned, the state of JB is dreadful.
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I don't see Linus leading anything in relation to desktop Linux except the kernel. Desktop Linux is defined by Ubuntu and other desktop-centric distributions, and their success in the desktop market is ... let's say: limited - and I don't like many of their recent decisions either. While Google, with their "dreadful" (care to elaborate?) Android, has managed to take the leading position in the mobile market.
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Because they can get away with it. The average customer doesn't care and just wants a device that works. But you also see that even root permission is still not enough as long as there are things that take away control over our own devices like locked bootloaders with signature checks and "secure boot". Not a good future for free and open source software.
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I just want to toss out the notion that "because they can get away with it" is a bit cynical. Lets be honest about something here. These devices are a gold mine for exploitation. In one single device you potentially have all of your accounts, passwords, contacts, schedule and shopping list. On top of that, your device is constantly connecting to unknown networks where it could pick up any number of malicious code before returning to home base and linking back to everything behind your firewalled router. You are correct that the average user just "wants a device that works" but more importantly, they want a device that will not cause secuity problems and give the world open access to their credit scores and bank accounts. How quick is the Android fan community to jump on news of the latest iPhone security breach? I'm not saying root should be impossible or even as difficult to obtain as it sometimes is. I'm just saying that it is not part of the OS by default for reasons other than "because they can."
EDIT - Wanted to say that I'm not trying to be an arse or anything. You may very well agree with what I've just posted. It's just that there are so many "gut reactions" to things out there that we sometimes forget the rational explanations.
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These devices are a gold mine for exploitation. In one single device you potentially have all of your accounts, passwords, contacts, schedule and shopping list. On top of that, your device is constantly connecting to unknown networks where it could pick up any number of malicious code before returning to home base and linking back to everything behind your firewalled router. You are correct that the average user just "wants a device that works" but more importantly, they want a device that will not cause secuity problems and give the world open access to their credit scores and bank accounts.
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Good arguments, and I fully agree. But giving device owners the root password does not make the device any less secure (as long as the user does not do stupid things with it).
The dangerous thing are exactly the security holes that we like so much because it's the only way we can get control over our own devices.
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... as long as the user does not do stupid things with it.
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Ever work in a technical support role? It's pretty much a given.
pietpodlood said:
Thank you very much... I've now actually tried Ubuntu and I must say... it's pretty darn awesome, a dualboot between the two OS's would be amazing!
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My pleasure!
And yes i agree it would have been amazing with dualboot.
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Because they can get away with it. The average customer doesn't care and just wants a device that works. But you also see that even root permission is still not enough as long as there are things that take away control over our own devices like locked bootloaders with signature checks and "secure boot". Not a good future for free and open source software.
Because that already failed for Nokia - remember Maemo/Meego/Tizen/whatever they will call it next week? At least everybody can write open source apps for Android and even upload them to the "official" market without jumping through hoops - something that is neither possible with iOS nor with Windows RT.
I don't see Linus leading anything in relation to desktop Linux except the kernel. Desktop Linux is defined by Ubuntu and other desktop-centric distributions, and their success in the desktop market is ... let's say: limited - and I don't like many of their recent decisions either. While Google, with their "dreadful" (care to elaborate?) Android, has managed to take the leading position in the mobile market.
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I think that even on the desktop its about to change, with games coming to linux through valve (steam) i think we will se a drastic change in users changing to Linux. I have been a Linux user from 1995 and i love the development of things even though it have been taking time to come where Linux is today, i see a bright future.
I like the idea Ubuntu is bringing in that you can have linux coexist with android, once you plug the device in to a computer screen or tv screen then you can use the full potential of Linux. I'm happy for Google that they brought some competition to the mobile market that drives development. But i don't like that i buy a device i can not do what i want with by restrictions like locked bootloaders. Its my device to do what i want to, i bought it and did not steal it..... This was the first Android tablet i bought but if they don't loosen things up it might just even be the last.
Best regards
Mackis
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(This is a re-post from Android Hacking and General section; I developed this on a Mesmerize so I can promise it will work just fine on 2.1 and 2.2.1 stock kernels)
Requires a rooted device!
BackTrack 5 installation guides are making their way around this forum. I've tried to synthesize it all, but I've also added my own touches to help with usability and features, along with a workaround for the "ioctl LOOP_SET_FD failed" error message some people have been getting.
In theory this build is nearly universal, so if you have an Android device it should work. I've put it all in one zip file that you can download directly from my website, no hassles or wait timers.
If you are interested have a look, feel free to re-post. Credit goes to the BackTrack team and xda member anantshri (he's got skills, give him props guys), who built the base image file.
Information, download link, and installation guide at:
http://www.mattslifebytes.com/?p=456
If you like what you see help me out, hosting is expensive!
http://www.mattslifebytes.com/donate
(alternatively, you can show interest in the products and services featured on my website, if you know what I mean )
msullivan said:
If you don't know what BackTrack is, you probably don't want it
BackTrack is an operating system based on Ubuntu Linux that is used for security testing (aka hacking) and digital forensics. I'm a master's degree student in computer security, so I love this OS... it can do awesome things. Turn on your Wi-Fi and you can do advanced network scans and tests right from your phone, no laptop required. For me this is hella-useful.
But besides just being an OS for hacking ****, it's also fully Ubuntu-based, so you can run it like a desktop, including running Firefox and other Linux applications.
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So maybe I'm drunk (which I am) or I'm retarded (which I am). What EXACTLY is this for?
lol...
BackTrack is an operating system based on Ubuntu Linux that is used for security testing (aka hacking) and digital forensics. I'm a master's degree student in computer security, so I love this OS... it can do awesome things. Turn on your Wi-Fi and you can do advanced network scans and tests right from your phone, no laptop required. For me this is hella-useful.
But besides just being an OS for hacking ****, it's also fully Ubuntu-based, so you can run it like a desktop, including running Firefox and ****.
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lol...
BackTrack is an operating system based on Ubuntu Linux that is used for security testing (aka hacking) and digital forensics. I'm a master's degree student in computer security, so I love this OS... it can do awesome things. Turn on your Wi-Fi and you can do advanced network scans and tests right from your phone, no laptop required. For me this is hella-useful.
But besides just being an OS for hacking ****, it's also fully Ubuntu-based, so you can run it like a desktop, including running Firefox and ****.
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I doubt this is possible to do via a phone, but can you crack wifi networks using this?
Wait, so let me get this straight.... this is an ubuntu based os that will run on the mesmerize???
If so, HOW? Dual boot? Or complete rom replacement?
My curiosity is peaked.
EDIT: nevermind, I just followed the link and read it... i'm a little disappointed haha but I might try it out just for the hell of it.
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Pretty cool, thanks for your work.
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kallell said:
I doubt this is possible to do via a phone, but can you crack wifi networks using this?
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Assuming the Wi-Fi chipset supports it (and it probably does) then yes, you could, but it will take a lot longer than, say, if you had a laptop, since Wi-Fi cracking always involves cryptographic computations.
davidbruington said:
Wait, so let me get this straight.... this is an ubuntu based os that will run on the mesmerize???
If so, HOW? Dual boot? Or complete rom replacement?
My curiosity is peaked.
EDIT: nevermind, I just followed the link and read it... i'm a little disappointed haha but I might try it out just for the hell of it.
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It still runs pretty nicely, especially considering you are running it on a phone And for what it's worth, having to use VNC as the GUI is often a plus; it's nice to be able to switch back and forth quickly.
Okay so I read your website, still don't get it. What is it and why do I want it.
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Wyman881 said:
Okay so I read your website, still don't get it. What is it and why do I want it.
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If you don't know what it is you probably don't want it, lol, but description has been posted on the third reply from the top.
EDIT: Also put a description in the top post.
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Assuming the Wi-Fi chipset supports it (and it probably does) then yes, you could, but it will take a lot longer than, say, if you had a laptop, since Wi-Fi cracking always involves cryptographic computations.
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Id love to give this a shot... Anyone else play around with cracking a network yet?
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Hrm... I failed when packaging the version that got put up online (sorry). I'm fixing now, will update shortly.
Wow, nice. Got a network testing fuze and now I can have bt5 on my captivate.
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wipe?
Now i may be missing where it says it. But does this wipe your phone or does it just load it kinda like a app?
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Now i may be missing where it says it. But does this wipe your phone or does it just load it kinda like a app?
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Just like an app. Specifically it uses the concept of a "chroot" to run it from inside of Android's Linux kernel. You can even switch back and forth between the two instantly.
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Just like an app. Specifically it uses the concept of a "chroot" to run it from inside of Android's Linux kernel. You can even switch back and forth between the two instantly.
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so this will not harm the android rom or and data at all correct?
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so this will not harm the android rom or and data at all correct?
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Correct, under normal circumstances. I'm going to cover my ass here and remind you that you'll be running this stuff as root, so if you start deleting files willy nilly you can still blow away your Android system requiring a re-flashing.
But as long as you aren't an idiot you'll be just fine, lol.
Fixed version now posted at the website.
http://www.mattslifebytes.com/?p=456
Very sweet..and it's refreshing to see a fellow Cyclone about!
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Very sweet..and it's refreshing to see a fellow Cyclone about!
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IS this possible ? I know I know why would I want to.... Personally its the whole sh1t @ss media setup android has. Dont get me started on browsers.
I thought I read winmo has some kind of indentifier? Is this true? IF not are there any 8mp wp7 phones ?
Let the flamming begin my skin is made of asbestos!
I'd be interested in trying this out too. There was a project to create on on another Android Device, I just can't remember which one.
My grandparents always had this saying: **** in one hand and wish in the other. See which fills up faster.
I still to this day have no clue what that means but I feel like it applies here.
Just funning. This would be something I'd want too but I believe it's near impossible without a companion device on that OS a la HD2/EVO/HD7. That's why the HD2 can dual-boot all those OSes.
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IS this possible ? I know I know why would I want to.... Personally its the whole sh1t @ss media setup android has. Dont get me started on browsers.
I thought I read winmo has some kind of indentifier? Is this true? IF not are there any 8mp wp7 phones ?
Let the flamming begin my skin is made of asbestos!
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The closest your gonna get for now is the Launcher 7 app. Its free from the market.
Unfortunately (Or fortunately imo), this is likely never going to happen. It's just not possible with the extra security that MS has employed, and it would in all honesty be a waste of time. There isn't anything WM7 can do that Android can't. (AFAIK.)
Yea it would be definitely unique for them to make that possible...sort of like how they're trying to port android to the HD7...this could be a sort of new age HD2 LOL...you know without Wm of course
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Ive also read security is tough. they went the extra mile and there are a few hardware signatures.
I would be interested in seeing this happen for an N1 or G2x simply out of curiousity because i dont see myself ever leaving android let alone to buy a windows phone. a port would allow me to try it out for a while ( i think i know 1 person that has a WP7 ) lol
Id be curious to see how well it integrates to the PC and XBOX 360. ever since the windows smartphone became an Idea they killed the ability to see my android on the xbox which is a shame.
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There isn't anything WM7 can do that Android can't.
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Windows mobile 7 can multitask WAY better than Android. Try streaming audio or video in one window then open another and surf while trying to listen to the streaming audio/video in the first browser window that was active. On Android the audio/video streaming will cease, on Windows 7 you can browse on the newly opened window while the audio/video streaming from the first window will still be active and playing in the background for you to listen to.
Also, with all my reading and researching on other android forums and devices, it seems Android as an operating system is a huge battery drainer even when you're not activley using the handset/device. Windows mobile 7 won't have a horrible battery drain like Android when just on standby. My assumption on this is that google really wants to "listen" in on you, after all they are part of this "big brother" movement.
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My assumption on this is that google really wants to "listen" in on you, after all they are part of this "big brother" movement.
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Riiight. because everyone that has developed roms and code for android just ignores that and lets google "listen in"
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Windows mobile 7 can multitask WAY better than Android. Try streaming audio or video in one window then open another and surf while trying to listen to the streaming audio/video in the first browser window that was active. On Android the audio/video streaming will cease, on Windows 7 you can browse on the newly opened window while the audio/video streaming from the first window will still be active and playing in the background for you to listen to.
Also, with all my reading and researching on other android forums and devices, it seems Android as an operating system is a huge battery drainer even when you're not activley using the handset/device. Windows mobile 7 won't have a horrible battery drain like Android when just on standby. My assumption on this is that google really wants to "listen" in on you, after all they are part of this "big brother" movement.
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Someone seems a little paranoid Also: http://www.droid-life.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/android-rim-apple-comscore.png
P.S. Sorry to continue the off topic-ness...as far as your question goes OP, I doubt that it will ever happen because it would be hard to accomplish in the first place (due to security and compatibility with hardware) and I'm not sure that a lot of developers would be interested in undertaking this project.
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P.S. Sorry to continue the off topic-ness...as far as your question goes OP, I doubt that it will ever happen because it would be hard to accomplish in the first place (due to security and compatibility with hardware) and I'm not sure that a lot of developers would be interested in undertaking this project.
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Agreed, I can't imagine any devs putting in the HUGE effort it would take to port WP7 to this device given the lack of demand for such a port (most people who want WP7 buy a phone with WP7). That said, it would be a great technical accomplishment and just plain cool.
my whole thing is (and heres where I debunk the whole android is superior myth)
is im a media guy: internet music videos etc. And im sorry but android SUCKS and FAILS massively with that. and of course theres the whole stupid file management thing(why is there not a native file explorer like windows?).
and then the biggest android fail: web browsing.
it just sucks on android. I mean its awful. WHy is the native browser so... crappy? I feel its bs that i have to "get an app for that" when it seems to me it should be part of the native OS. I know...its a phone. But whotf uses "mobile version" websites? what is this symbian? And why has no one made an ap for the ua debug ? I want to open my browser and go to ANY website I want in FULL desktop view. JUST LIKE WINDOWS. WITHOUT having to type in "aboutdebug" go to settings etc... really getting old
Skyfires ok...but... some websites(like my bank ) dont work. ANd pay for video??? sigh. at least they have a UA psuedo ap at the top.
and again poor media structure...No music or video looping...the list goes on.
MAybe you guys have suggestions. I also HATE that all my media shows up in gallery. grrr ...gallery blows. I dont want to "hide" my files I just want to seperate them and not have them all open up in "gallery".
SO yes windows phones DO have some advanteges over android. Too bad windows phones suck at everything else.
MS kills me when they advertise wp7 has "thousands" of apps. its like when some loacl band compares them selves to a bigger badn" we have hundreds of fans"...k.
back to my rant ....WHy does android have the UA set this anyways its totally fkn (insert deragatory tasteless term here for all you pc bishes).
I dont mind the off topic comments
freakboy13 said:
WHy does android have the UA set this anyways its totally fkn [email protected]
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Please don't use gay as a derogatory term or put down. It's tasteless.
freakboy13 said:
my whole thing is (and heres where I debunk the whole android is superior myth)
is im a media guy: internet music videos etc. And im sorry but android SUCKS and FAILS massively with that. and of course theres the whole stupid file management thing(why is there not a native file explorer like windows?).
and then the biggest android fail: web browsing.
it just sucks on android. I mean its awful. WHy is the native browser so... crappy? I feel its bs that i have to "get an app for that" when it seems to me it should be part of the native OS. I know...its a phone. But whotf uses "mobile version" websites? what is this symbian? And why has no one made an ap for the ua debug ? I want to open my browser and go to ANY website I want in FULL desktop view. JUST LIKE WINDOWS. WITHOUT having to type in "aboutdebug" go to settings etc... really getting old
Skyfires ok...but... some websites(like my bank ) dont work. ANd pay for video??? sigh. at least they have a UA psuedo ap at the top.
and again poor media structure...No music or video looping...the list goes on.
MAybe you guys have suggestions. I also HATE that all my media shows up in gallery. grrr ...gallery blows. I dont want to "hide" my files I just want to seperate them and not have them all open up in "gallery".
SO yes windows phones DO have some advanteges over android. Too bad windows phones suck at everything else.
MS kills me when they advertise wp7 has "thousands" of apps. its like when some loacl band compares them selves to a bigger badn" we have hundreds of fans"...k.
back to my rant ....WHy does android have the UA set this anyways its totally fkn [email protected]
I dont mind the off topic comments
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I love Android...and completely disagree with all (almost all) of your points...but you are entitled to your opinion. I have to wonder though why you would go on an Android forum and rant against Android...seems a little trollish. Sure WP7 has some advantages over Android (not sure what they are)...peas have some advantages over carrots...but they aren't the same thing and if I want peas I don't eat carrots (and then complain about the carrots). Maybe you should sell your g2x (assuming you have one) and get a WP7 phone. Not trying to be an ass. Just don't understand where you're coming from.
But like I said, a WP7 port would be cool from a technical standpoint.
AND...
hiko36 said:
Please don't use gay as a derogatory term or put down. It's tasteless.
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hiko36 said:
Please don't use gay as a derogatory term or put down. It's tasteless.
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yeah ok "storm" ... I changed it so you dont cry to mommy that i hurt your feelings but fyi I didnt type "gay".... can we get back to topic now? ill try n watch my p's n q's. Funny how every one can say the f word and all kind of swearing on this forum, but the minute i use the word gay someone has to whine about it. WHy dont you look up the original context of the term ghey and how its NOT a deragatory term. SOme people got to much time on their hands. Man up will ya?
for the file explorer there are plenty of free great apps.
for the browser Its not as great as my desktop but i use it often and don't have any issues. the mobile version of websites is becoming more common and when the web admin does a good job the mobile specific version is laid out better. for example sun-trust mobile. I don't even miss having an app the mobile site is so well laid out
when I need a desktop version in CM7 i just select "change user agent" under settings. if you don't like that there is always Firefox which isnt perfect but i love the syncing favs/passwords with desktop.
I will however agree with the lack of "pizzaz and wow" with media. and i REALLY agree with you on the featureless gallery and not being able to better organize it.
Just remember the whole point in android isn't to have everything set up just the way YOU like it right away. not everyone likes the same thing. the beauty in android is if you don't like it you can easily change it.
think of it this way.. the Iphone is a great phone for many people. but if you don't like the way something works or don't like Itunes you are pretty much S.O.L
once you get everything set and dialed in you wont ever want to part with your android and most other phone users are jealous
that being said.. again i really do agree with you and there needs to be some work done with the way the phone deals with media and storage.
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I love Android...and completely disagree with all (almost all) of your points...but you are entitled to your opinion. I have to wonder though why you would go on an Android forum and rant against Android...seems a little trollish. Sure WP7 has some advantages over Android (not sure what they are)...peas have some advantages over carrots...but they aren't the same thing and if I want peas I don't eat carrots (and then complain about the carrots). Maybe you should sell your g2x (assuming you have one) and get a WP7 phone. Not trying to be an ass. Just don't understand where you're coming from.
But like I said, a WP7 port would be cool from a technical standpoint.
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Funny how now im a troll because I have some gripes with android. Do you work for google and dont like me pointing out flaws? IM just saying these are things that android lacks... and I love my g2x too much to give it up.lol. Not trolling, not trying to offend any one with the way I talk. But I am still right about this as you have yet to prove me wrong or give me advice on how to work around it. and I dont hate android, its awesome and I love everything thats being done with it so why not make it better and have better media software for it?
I had a mt4g then went to the hd7 in high hopes for the wp7 and enjoyed it for a few days simply because of Netflix and simplicity... but. I came running back to android on the g2x after 2 terrible hd7 handsets... it had a few nice features but in no way stands up against what we can mold our android to be.
As for the browser wp7 was amazingly smooth...
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Funny how now im a troll because I have some gripes with android. Do you work for google and dont like me pointing out flaws? IM just saying these are things that android lacks... and I love my g2x too much to give it up.lol. Not trolling, not trying to offend any one with the way I talk. But I am still right about this as you have yet to prove me wrong or give me advice on how to work around it. and I dont hate android, its awesome and I love everything thats being done with it so why not make it better and have better media software for it?
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Maybe u would enjoy the zune launcher
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hah.. lets not get started on ZUNE. I still love my old Zune 130 because i prefer the hardware buttons during work. if it wasn't for that and storage.my G2X might replace it.
the zune software is better than it was but it still isn't great and I still don't understand why a MICROSOFT zune cant natively sync with MICROSOFT media player.
anyway back on topic haha
So I've pretty much replaced my laptop with my transformer. Yea my laptop has a 17 inch screen, but to be honest with you its so big I never wanted to take it anywhere! Isn't a laptop supposed to be PORTABLE? I feel like I can (and should) take the TF everywhere. It seems tiny when docked, but just right when used as a tablet.
I love it.
The only thing stopping me from selling my laptop at this point is that I need to burn CD's occasionally. Is there any app out there that can access an external burner so that I can make CD's from music I have stored on my external drive?
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+1
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Probably more a matter of time, at least if there's interest in it, but might be a long time. Didn't Honeycomb just add USB host support? I don't think it would've been possible before that.
javroch said:
Probably more a matter of time, at least if there's interest in it, but might be a long time. Didn't Honeycomb just add USB host support? I don't think it would've been possible before that.
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You woukd think this would be simple enough if we had usb host. Oh how I wish I was a dev.
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seh6183 said:
You woukd think this would be simple enough if we had usb host. Oh how I wish I was a dev.
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Not necessarily at all, not all manufacturers provide Linux drivers for their hardware (Android is linux underneath it all). As well, I'm not sure exactly how Linux drivers work, but each CD burner might need their own set of drivers
If the iso drivers are in the kernel, the system will know about cd/dvd disks and drives. The issues is a program to do the burning.
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If the iso drivers are in the kernel, the system will know about cd/dvd disks and drives. The issues is a program to do the burning.
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So I plugged in my external DVD writer, and the kernel currently is not reconigzing it.
So that is step 1, someone adding the drivers into the kernel.
After that, it is simly a matter of re-building cdrecorder and mkisofs for an ARM target and writing a little UI on top of it.
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So I plugged in my external DVD writer, and the kernel currently is not reconigzing it.
So that is step 1, someone adding the drivers into the kernel.
After that, it is simly a matter of re-building cdrecorder and mkisofs for an ARM target and writing a little UI on top of it.
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Lets contact some dev's who might know how to do this! I can message the Dev for the prime rom. He may be able to point us in the right direction.
EDIT
Messaged him just now.
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I would dust the laptop back off......There are not enough devs or support for at least another 2 yrs to have a bug free Android OS. Also you have the first model of about 15 major tabs in the next 2 yrs! Just because it has a docking station means nothing. Don't get me wrong i love Android.....but leaving windows 7 and coming up 8????? Not to mention all the bugs because its a "beta" product. Actually i wouldn't even call this Alpha..Android OS should of release a GOOGLE laptop first with all the correct hardware specs and almost bug free before letting anyone put there OS on a tablet and sell it...Every Honeycomb tablet that has been made has issues. And its the hardware not being fully compatible.
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I would dust the laptop back off......There are not enough devs or support for at least another 2 yrs to have a bug free Android OS. Also you have the first model of about 15 major tabs in the next 2 yrs! Just because it has a docking station means nothing. Don't get me wrong i love Android.....but leaving windows 7 and coming up 8????? Not to mention all the bugs because its a "beta" product. Actually i wouldn't even call this Alpha..Android OS should of release a GOOGLE laptop first with all the correct hardware specs and almost bug free before letting anyone put there OS on a tablet and sell it...Every Honeycomb tablet that has been made has issues. And its the hardware not being fully compatible.
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I think you are way over thinking this.
It wouldn't take much to make android completely replace a full size os.
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I would dust the laptop back off......There are not enough devs or support for at least another 2 yrs to have a bug free Android OS. Also you have the first model of about 15 major tabs in the next 2 yrs! Just because it has a docking station means nothing. Don't get me wrong i love Android.....but leaving windows 7 and coming up 8????? Not to mention all the bugs because its a "beta" product. Actually i wouldn't even call this Alpha..Android OS should of release a GOOGLE laptop first with all the correct hardware specs and almost bug free before letting anyone put there OS on a tablet and sell it...Every Honeycomb tablet that has been made has issues. And its the hardware not being fully compatible.
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If you replaced android with another operating system on your post, that can apply to any OS system on the planet. Be it windows, osx, Linux or what ever a company puts out. Not one OS or hardware is immune. Perfect software only happens when it's on the drawing board. The longer android is out the better it gets..but honeycomb has been out a very short time and is only on 5 percent of the devices running google OS. There are more then enough developers for it.
I'm looking for an external dvd burner to work with the TF also. Seems like a lot of TF owners are looking too. Hopefully someone with xda will develop the software...
Not exactly what you want but it might help
Check out this product.....It adds an extra step and it would be kinda kludgy at best.......It is a standalone cd burner.
http://www.cyberguys.com/product-details/?productid=11177
They also have a DVD burner. There may be others out there as well. I have been wanting this as well and don't really want to spend extra to get the capability right now at least.
Awesome! Definitely a solid solution. And a great idea in general! Thanks for the info
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Install Ubuntu, install cd burning software, profit.
brando56894 said:
Install Ubuntu, install cd burning software, profit.
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Get the trackpad drivers working, wifi UI up and running, sound, hdmi audio, and the other 1000 not yet working things running in ubuntu then yeah, sure, profit.
DeNiMuLiC said:
Get the trackpad drivers working, wifi UI up and running, sound, hdmi audio, and the other 1000 not yet working things running in ubuntu then yeah, sure, profit.
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Lol
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Get the trackpad drivers working, wifi UI up and running, sound, hdmi audio, and the other 1000 not yet working things running in ubuntu then yeah, sure, profit.
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technically you don't need any of those things you listed to burn a cd in linux, all you need is the command line.
brando56894 said:
technically you don't need any of those things you listed to burn a cd in linux, all you need is the command line.
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I don't think he's looking to reboot into a full-blown Ubuntu environment (where nothing else works) just to burn a DVD... The whole point of this thread is to get Android-native tools to do the burning - not setup some half-working OS to do the task...
I don't see what the Unix "cdrecord" and "mkisofs" utilities can't be ported over to Android. Although, I don't have the skills to do that, so maybe it's not such a trivial task...
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seriously dude?? This thread is almost two years old. Stop necromancing.
Hello,
is there any way to install Windows 8 on this tablet? (when not, in the future?)
lg
This question has been addressed several times. In short, no, there is no way and there won't be a way. Ubuntu is under development for the TF700T though.
No, because its proprietary and will brick your tablet due hardware incompatibly. There is also ArchLinux for the ARM and the Linux kernel will be released for arm soon. This means that at least you will have many more operating systems/ROM's to choose from.
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the Linux kernel will be released for arm soon
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The Linux kernel for ARM has been out for a long time, otherwise Android couldn't exist.
The last time I tried Linux was about 6 years ago. It wasnt ready for non-geeks then and it still isn't now. I tried Ubuntu yesterday. 6 years mind you and it still did not manage to install flawlessly on a brand new unformatted drive on my PC. It still couldn't manage, once I did get it to install, to get a driver installed for a Linksys PCI wireless card. WMP54s have been around for a while...so have Broadcom chips. But I would still like to see what it would be like on a tablet.....
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The last time I tried Linux was about 6 years ago. It wasnt ready for non-geeks then and it still isn't now. I tried Ubuntu yesterday. 6 years mind you and it still did not manage to install flawlessly on a brand new unformatted drive on my PC. It still couldn't manage, once I did get it to install, to get a driver installed for a Linksys PCI wireless card. WMP54s have been around for a while...so have Broadcom chips. But I would still like to see what it would be like on a tablet.....
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Its come much, much farther since you used/tried it and will be hitting mobile devices soon. Hopefully, it will be fully usable when it hits and more user friendly. Like just flashing a ROM rather than trying to format/install.
manson28031991 said:
Hello,
is there any way to install Windows 8 on this tablet? (when not, in the future?)
lg
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As mentioned many times before all over XDA Microsoft Windows 8 or RT is not a free open source OS.
Even if some clever genius somehow managed to actually do this it certainly would not be a good idea to let Microsoft find out.
I'm almost sure if this was ever cracked and installed on Android powered devices the wrath of MS would be forthcoming.
This is a real can of worms and I believe XDA would do well to forbid this subject in any of the forum sections.
The best option is to buy a device built for and legally preloaded with Windows.
Ah, no, not going to happen.
Besides, if you want W8 on a Transformer, look up "Vivo Tab."
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As mentioned many times before all over XDA Microsoft Windows 8 or RT is not a free open source OS.
Even if some clever genius somehow managed to actually do this it certainly would not be a good idea to let Microsoft find out.
I'm almost sure if this was ever cracked and installed on Android powered devices the wrath of MS would be forthcoming.
This is a real can of worms and I believe XDA would do well to forbid this subject in any of the forum sections.
The best option is to buy a device built for and legally preloaded with Windows.
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I agree, but its not just that, the source code would be required to make it work on this device. So, its not just that its "not allowed", but that it is not physically compatible. Therefore even if cracked, it would still be of no use.
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I agree, but its not just that, the source code would be required to make it work on this device. So, its not just that its "not allowed", but that it is not physically compatible. Therefore even if cracked, it would still be of no use.
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You can certainly believe if were possible MS would sell you a copy you could install. Bill aint gonna miss a dime
I've been checking about the ubuntu mobile and it seems quite nice and different enough to cause some expectations.
Is there any way to get this on our phones?? is it even possible?
Yes, is possible, but no one will waste time on that system, Ubuntu phone has almost no applications in their store, for example Facebook application redirects you to the web version.
siul_lasc said:
I've been checking about the ubuntu mobile and it seems quite nice and different enough to cause some expectations.
Is there any way to get this on our phones?? is it even possible?
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need maintainer and build for libra. didn't know how to build and edit kernel