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I have seen they are working on this on a few different sites. Does anyone here no anything about it yet? I figure if anyone is going to do it, it woll be someone here..Here is a link of someone doing it on a mda 3.
http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/13/firm-shows-off-functional-android-build-on-ancient-htc-hardware/
From what I understood of what I read, it's technically not running it on a smartphone. You run a VNC Viewer on your phone (normally, VNC is software used to remotely control your PC), then setup your PC to feed the Android display to your phone.
So what's basically happening is Android runs in an emulator on your PC, but shows up on your phone.
Because of the nature of the VNC, however, this makes for a very slowly system and means you really can't make phone calls using it.
Oh...is that what they are doing there? I guess I didn't read closely enough. Thanks for the update. I was hoping to flash my Wizard with some mystical android rom at some point....I know............. I'm dreaming......but it would be cool..
gottifour said:
Oh...is that what they are doing there? I guess I didn't read closely enough. Thanks for the update. I was hoping to flash my Wizard with some mystical android rom at some point....I know............. I'm dreaming......but it would be cool..
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Agree... it would be cool. In the mean time, if you haven't already, check out PointUI. I expect it to progress into something really sick (it's pretty cool already).
Oh it'll most likely happen sooner or later...especially considering HTC is planning to release an Android device, which means possibly similar hardware, but it's still too early...
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Agree... it would be cool. In the mean time, if you haven't already, check out PointUI. I expect it to progress into something really sick (it's pretty cool already).
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I'm checking it out as we speak..thanks for the link...
Here is a link to the android sdk....If you haven't checked it out yet you should its kind of cool.
http://code.google.com/android/download.html
Im on Windows Mobile 6.5 (mighty rom)
How has no one created a WoW armory like the I-phone.
I just used it for the 1st time on my g/fs Iphone. All i have to say is wow. what a nice program
how come we dont get one?
sad
-marcus
Ive been looking for a bit with no luck, its really not looking hopeful, but I too would like this if possible.
Just get a browser and use it like home, we don't need an app for every Website around, Windows Mobile can actually do Flash with Skyfire...
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Just get a browser and use it like home, we don't need an app for every Website around, Windows Mobile can actually do Flash with Skyfire...
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While I agree it can do it, somethings are just easier in app form I guess, but I will check it out from skyfire when my HD2 arrive
Moved as not software release.
sure you can do it web based. but have you seen the app on iphone?
its amazing. fast. you can go thru stuff quickly.
i hope someone makes one. I will donate.
anyone?
we need someone to make this, the new android has one now. Someone made a custom program and it looks awesome
I think the program is java based, so I am not even sure you can reverse engineer it.
Just wondering if there is still any interest in this?
I have been out of programming for awhile, but was thinking of trying my hand at doiong something for my phone, and figure this might be a good one to start with.
if there is interest in it I will give it a go. Just have to figure out what I need to get to do it..
(This is a re-post from Android Hacking and General section; I developed this on a Mesmerize so I can promise it will work just fine on 2.1 and 2.2.1 stock kernels)
Requires a rooted device!
BackTrack 5 installation guides are making their way around this forum. I've tried to synthesize it all, but I've also added my own touches to help with usability and features, along with a workaround for the "ioctl LOOP_SET_FD failed" error message some people have been getting.
In theory this build is nearly universal, so if you have an Android device it should work. I've put it all in one zip file that you can download directly from my website, no hassles or wait timers.
If you are interested have a look, feel free to re-post. Credit goes to the BackTrack team and xda member anantshri (he's got skills, give him props guys), who built the base image file.
Information, download link, and installation guide at:
http://www.mattslifebytes.com/?p=456
If you like what you see help me out, hosting is expensive!
http://www.mattslifebytes.com/donate
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If you don't know what BackTrack is, you probably don't want it
BackTrack is an operating system based on Ubuntu Linux that is used for security testing (aka hacking) and digital forensics. I'm a master's degree student in computer security, so I love this OS... it can do awesome things. Turn on your Wi-Fi and you can do advanced network scans and tests right from your phone, no laptop required. For me this is hella-useful.
But besides just being an OS for hacking ****, it's also fully Ubuntu-based, so you can run it like a desktop, including running Firefox and other Linux applications.
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So maybe I'm drunk (which I am) or I'm retarded (which I am). What EXACTLY is this for?
lol...
BackTrack is an operating system based on Ubuntu Linux that is used for security testing (aka hacking) and digital forensics. I'm a master's degree student in computer security, so I love this OS... it can do awesome things. Turn on your Wi-Fi and you can do advanced network scans and tests right from your phone, no laptop required. For me this is hella-useful.
But besides just being an OS for hacking ****, it's also fully Ubuntu-based, so you can run it like a desktop, including running Firefox and ****.
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lol...
BackTrack is an operating system based on Ubuntu Linux that is used for security testing (aka hacking) and digital forensics. I'm a master's degree student in computer security, so I love this OS... it can do awesome things. Turn on your Wi-Fi and you can do advanced network scans and tests right from your phone, no laptop required. For me this is hella-useful.
But besides just being an OS for hacking ****, it's also fully Ubuntu-based, so you can run it like a desktop, including running Firefox and ****.
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I doubt this is possible to do via a phone, but can you crack wifi networks using this?
Wait, so let me get this straight.... this is an ubuntu based os that will run on the mesmerize???
If so, HOW? Dual boot? Or complete rom replacement?
My curiosity is peaked.
EDIT: nevermind, I just followed the link and read it... i'm a little disappointed haha but I might try it out just for the hell of it.
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Pretty cool, thanks for your work.
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kallell said:
I doubt this is possible to do via a phone, but can you crack wifi networks using this?
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Assuming the Wi-Fi chipset supports it (and it probably does) then yes, you could, but it will take a lot longer than, say, if you had a laptop, since Wi-Fi cracking always involves cryptographic computations.
davidbruington said:
Wait, so let me get this straight.... this is an ubuntu based os that will run on the mesmerize???
If so, HOW? Dual boot? Or complete rom replacement?
My curiosity is peaked.
EDIT: nevermind, I just followed the link and read it... i'm a little disappointed haha but I might try it out just for the hell of it.
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It still runs pretty nicely, especially considering you are running it on a phone And for what it's worth, having to use VNC as the GUI is often a plus; it's nice to be able to switch back and forth quickly.
Okay so I read your website, still don't get it. What is it and why do I want it.
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Wyman881 said:
Okay so I read your website, still don't get it. What is it and why do I want it.
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If you don't know what it is you probably don't want it, lol, but description has been posted on the third reply from the top.
EDIT: Also put a description in the top post.
msullivan said:
Assuming the Wi-Fi chipset supports it (and it probably does) then yes, you could, but it will take a lot longer than, say, if you had a laptop, since Wi-Fi cracking always involves cryptographic computations.
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Id love to give this a shot... Anyone else play around with cracking a network yet?
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Hrm... I failed when packaging the version that got put up online (sorry). I'm fixing now, will update shortly.
Wow, nice. Got a network testing fuze and now I can have bt5 on my captivate.
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wipe?
Now i may be missing where it says it. But does this wipe your phone or does it just load it kinda like a app?
veteranmina said:
Now i may be missing where it says it. But does this wipe your phone or does it just load it kinda like a app?
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Just like an app. Specifically it uses the concept of a "chroot" to run it from inside of Android's Linux kernel. You can even switch back and forth between the two instantly.
msullivan said:
Just like an app. Specifically it uses the concept of a "chroot" to run it from inside of Android's Linux kernel. You can even switch back and forth between the two instantly.
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so this will not harm the android rom or and data at all correct?
veteranmina said:
so this will not harm the android rom or and data at all correct?
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Correct, under normal circumstances. I'm going to cover my ass here and remind you that you'll be running this stuff as root, so if you start deleting files willy nilly you can still blow away your Android system requiring a re-flashing.
But as long as you aren't an idiot you'll be just fine, lol.
Fixed version now posted at the website.
http://www.mattslifebytes.com/?p=456
Very sweet..and it's refreshing to see a fellow Cyclone about!
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Very sweet..and it's refreshing to see a fellow Cyclone about!
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This is not a question of how to get it working, but rather why? Why would you want Linux in stead of Android? I've been a Windows person since well... birth I guess, never really used Mac or Linux. Can someone give me a reason why the average Angry Birds playing Android enthusiast would want Linux on their tablet?
Android is based upon Linux. Just saying.
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Here are my inputs to your linux questions.
I would prefer it because you have so much more freedom in what you can do with the tablet in every aspect.
Android is better than IOS from that point of view, but the apps isn't as good as ordinary programs.
In linux i could have use of GIMP, Openoffice or the fully fledged libreoffice. I can mount whatever device i want in whatever format i want.
In linux im not restricted to the drivers Asus provides for 3G sticks or anything else for that matter.
The only drawback would be games, but sence i'm not a gamer any longer i don't care about games so much. Not that Linux don't have good games for it. More and more are coming, Valve comitted themselfs recently to Linux.
I like the stability of Linux, and it is always developed and i don't have to wait for Asus to provide for the latest builds of kernels.
In linux i would have drivers for my printer in a better way than in android or IOS.
I don't like the restrictions in android, with me voiding my warrantys or risking of bricking my device trying to bypass that restrictions for costumizing a device that i own. I like the idea Ubuntu is bringing in on having Linux side by side with Android, and enjoy the best of both worlds.
The road almost every hardwaremaker is taking is not god at all, they sell a device that they don't maintain for so many software cycles in development, and then you are forced to buy a new one if you want the latest software. On top of that all manufactures lock you down to what you have by locking the bootloaders, thats pure evil. Its like you buying a new car and GM locks 2 of the 5 gears so you cant use them.
I love the infinity, but it could be so mutch better releasing the full potential with linux on it.
Thats my input to the discussion, hope it clear things out for you.
Best regards
Mackis
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A window manager and X server with multi head out.
Totaly agree, that would be in a perfect world!
GaryParr said:
A window manager and X server with multi head out.
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Do you know if Tegra 3 can do multi-head?
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Do you know if Tegra 3 can do multi-head?
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I'm going to go with a "yes" on this one since Android is capable of sending 2 different displays currently. Think about HDMI hooked up and watching YouTube... full screen video on one device while the YouTube app remains active on the other. Unless there is some other trickery going on here, that would indicate different display channels.
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I'm going to go with a "yes" on this one since Android is capable of sending 2 different displays currently. Think about HDMI hooked up and watching YouTube... full screen video on one device while the YouTube app remains active on the other. Unless there is some other trickery going on here, that would indicate different display channels.
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I now had a look at the documentation of Linux for Tegra, and it says: "Dual display (LVDS+HDMI): Mirror mode, Extended mode". This should confirm that with the right software we should be able to get a dual display desktop.
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I now had a look at the documentation of Linux for Tegra, and it says: "Dual display (LVDS+HDMI): Mirror mode, Extended mode". This should confirm that with the right software we should be able to get a dual display desktop.
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Now we just need to dig through the Prime forums for more information on how people have managed to load a Linux ARM distribution with dual boot and I can finally get rid of my laptop.
here is a link to a person who has done it on a tf201
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=sK_4cXHnyss
Mackis said:
here is a link to a person who has done it on a tf201
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=sK_4cXHnyss
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The XDA thread for that is here but from what I can gather, the original developer is currently focused on other things and the most recent images are not much beyond a POC / beta quality. I did some research into Plasma Active, but it seems no one has done much work on any ARM devices past Tegra 2. I'm beginnig to think the best option for someone who wants a touch-enabled transformer with Linux is to wait for the AiO and then replace Wn8.
I don't know if this will work but I found this in the wiki section about how to install ubuntu. Its not for the TF700 but I'm hoping it can be adapted to work. I think I might try this sometime after I get my desktop set up with ubuntu.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/wiki/ASUS_Eee_Pad_Transformer/How_to_install_Ubuntu
Mackis said:
Here are my inputs to your linux questions.
I would prefer it because you have so much more freedom in what you can do with the tablet in every aspect.
Android is better than IOS from that point of view, but the apps isn't as good as ordinary programs.
In linux i could have use of GIMP, Openoffice or the fully fledged libreoffice. I can mount whatever device i want in whatever format i want.
In linux im not restricted to the drivers Asus provides for 3G sticks or anything else for that matter.
The only drawback would be games, but sence i'm not a gamer any longer i don't care about games so much. Not that Linux don't have good games for it. More and more are coming, Valve comitted themselfs recently to Linux.
I like the stability of Linux, and it is always developed and i don't have to wait for Asus to provide for the latest builds of kernels.
In linux i would have drivers for my printer in a better way than in android or IOS.
I don't like the restrictions in android, with me voiding my warrantys or risking of bricking my device trying to bypass that restrictions for costumizing a device that i own. I like the idea Ubuntu is bringing in on having Linux side by side with Android, and enjoy the best of both worlds.
The road almost every hardwaremaker is taking is not god at all, they sell a device that they don't maintain for so many software cycles in development, and then you are forced to buy a new one if you want the latest software. On top of that all manufactures lock you down to what you have by locking the bootloaders, thats pure evil. Its like you buying a new car and GM locks 2 of the 5 gears so you cant use them.
I love the infinity, but it could be so mutch better releasing the full potential with linux on it.
Thats my input to the discussion, hope it clear things out for you.
Best regards
Mackis
Sent from my ASUS Transformer Pad TF700T using xda-developers app
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Thank you very much... I've now actually tried Ubuntu and I must say... it's pretty darn awesome, a dualboot between the two OS's would be amazing!
bhambalek said:
Android is based upon Linux. Just saying.
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Yes and Windows 7 still probably has some parts of DOS burried deep within it, Android originally did use linux's kernel, but in just about every other way it is completely different. Try it if you haven't.
Android still does use Linux kernels. uname -a on the command line is your friend.
The Android kernels are modified desktop kernels, but still Linux kernels.
What I don't understand is why these devices come without root permission. And why hardware providers aren't allowing/using the open source community to do more development. I have no problem with Google leading the development direction, in a manner similar to what Linus does with Desktop Linux.
As far as I am concerned, the state of JB is dreadful.
Linuxguy1 said:
What I don't understand is why these devices come without root permission.
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Because they can get away with it. The average customer doesn't care and just wants a device that works. But you also see that even root permission is still not enough as long as there are things that take away control over our own devices like locked bootloaders with signature checks and "secure boot". Not a good future for free and open source software.
Linuxguy1 said:
why hardware providers aren't allowing/using the open source community to do more development.
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Because that already failed for Nokia - remember Maemo/Meego/Tizen/whatever they will call it next week? At least everybody can write open source apps for Android and even upload them to the "official" market without jumping through hoops - something that is neither possible with iOS nor with Windows RT.
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I have no problem with Google leading the development direction, in a manner similar to what Linus does with Desktop Linux.
As far as I am concerned, the state of JB is dreadful.
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I don't see Linus leading anything in relation to desktop Linux except the kernel. Desktop Linux is defined by Ubuntu and other desktop-centric distributions, and their success in the desktop market is ... let's say: limited - and I don't like many of their recent decisions either. While Google, with their "dreadful" (care to elaborate?) Android, has managed to take the leading position in the mobile market.
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Because they can get away with it. The average customer doesn't care and just wants a device that works. But you also see that even root permission is still not enough as long as there are things that take away control over our own devices like locked bootloaders with signature checks and "secure boot". Not a good future for free and open source software.
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I just want to toss out the notion that "because they can get away with it" is a bit cynical. Lets be honest about something here. These devices are a gold mine for exploitation. In one single device you potentially have all of your accounts, passwords, contacts, schedule and shopping list. On top of that, your device is constantly connecting to unknown networks where it could pick up any number of malicious code before returning to home base and linking back to everything behind your firewalled router. You are correct that the average user just "wants a device that works" but more importantly, they want a device that will not cause secuity problems and give the world open access to their credit scores and bank accounts. How quick is the Android fan community to jump on news of the latest iPhone security breach? I'm not saying root should be impossible or even as difficult to obtain as it sometimes is. I'm just saying that it is not part of the OS by default for reasons other than "because they can."
EDIT - Wanted to say that I'm not trying to be an arse or anything. You may very well agree with what I've just posted. It's just that there are so many "gut reactions" to things out there that we sometimes forget the rational explanations.
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These devices are a gold mine for exploitation. In one single device you potentially have all of your accounts, passwords, contacts, schedule and shopping list. On top of that, your device is constantly connecting to unknown networks where it could pick up any number of malicious code before returning to home base and linking back to everything behind your firewalled router. You are correct that the average user just "wants a device that works" but more importantly, they want a device that will not cause secuity problems and give the world open access to their credit scores and bank accounts.
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Good arguments, and I fully agree. But giving device owners the root password does not make the device any less secure (as long as the user does not do stupid things with it).
The dangerous thing are exactly the security holes that we like so much because it's the only way we can get control over our own devices.
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... as long as the user does not do stupid things with it.
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Ever work in a technical support role? It's pretty much a given.
pietpodlood said:
Thank you very much... I've now actually tried Ubuntu and I must say... it's pretty darn awesome, a dualboot between the two OS's would be amazing!
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My pleasure!
And yes i agree it would have been amazing with dualboot.
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Because they can get away with it. The average customer doesn't care and just wants a device that works. But you also see that even root permission is still not enough as long as there are things that take away control over our own devices like locked bootloaders with signature checks and "secure boot". Not a good future for free and open source software.
Because that already failed for Nokia - remember Maemo/Meego/Tizen/whatever they will call it next week? At least everybody can write open source apps for Android and even upload them to the "official" market without jumping through hoops - something that is neither possible with iOS nor with Windows RT.
I don't see Linus leading anything in relation to desktop Linux except the kernel. Desktop Linux is defined by Ubuntu and other desktop-centric distributions, and their success in the desktop market is ... let's say: limited - and I don't like many of their recent decisions either. While Google, with their "dreadful" (care to elaborate?) Android, has managed to take the leading position in the mobile market.
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I think that even on the desktop its about to change, with games coming to linux through valve (steam) i think we will se a drastic change in users changing to Linux. I have been a Linux user from 1995 and i love the development of things even though it have been taking time to come where Linux is today, i see a bright future.
I like the idea Ubuntu is bringing in that you can have linux coexist with android, once you plug the device in to a computer screen or tv screen then you can use the full potential of Linux. I'm happy for Google that they brought some competition to the mobile market that drives development. But i don't like that i buy a device i can not do what i want with by restrictions like locked bootloaders. Its my device to do what i want to, i bought it and did not steal it..... This was the first Android tablet i bought but if they don't loosen things up it might just even be the last.
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Hello,
is there any way to install Windows 8 on this tablet? (when not, in the future?)
lg
This question has been addressed several times. In short, no, there is no way and there won't be a way. Ubuntu is under development for the TF700T though.
No, because its proprietary and will brick your tablet due hardware incompatibly. There is also ArchLinux for the ARM and the Linux kernel will be released for arm soon. This means that at least you will have many more operating systems/ROM's to choose from.
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the Linux kernel will be released for arm soon
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The Linux kernel for ARM has been out for a long time, otherwise Android couldn't exist.
The last time I tried Linux was about 6 years ago. It wasnt ready for non-geeks then and it still isn't now. I tried Ubuntu yesterday. 6 years mind you and it still did not manage to install flawlessly on a brand new unformatted drive on my PC. It still couldn't manage, once I did get it to install, to get a driver installed for a Linksys PCI wireless card. WMP54s have been around for a while...so have Broadcom chips. But I would still like to see what it would be like on a tablet.....
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The last time I tried Linux was about 6 years ago. It wasnt ready for non-geeks then and it still isn't now. I tried Ubuntu yesterday. 6 years mind you and it still did not manage to install flawlessly on a brand new unformatted drive on my PC. It still couldn't manage, once I did get it to install, to get a driver installed for a Linksys PCI wireless card. WMP54s have been around for a while...so have Broadcom chips. But I would still like to see what it would be like on a tablet.....
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Its come much, much farther since you used/tried it and will be hitting mobile devices soon. Hopefully, it will be fully usable when it hits and more user friendly. Like just flashing a ROM rather than trying to format/install.
manson28031991 said:
Hello,
is there any way to install Windows 8 on this tablet? (when not, in the future?)
lg
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As mentioned many times before all over XDA Microsoft Windows 8 or RT is not a free open source OS.
Even if some clever genius somehow managed to actually do this it certainly would not be a good idea to let Microsoft find out.
I'm almost sure if this was ever cracked and installed on Android powered devices the wrath of MS would be forthcoming.
This is a real can of worms and I believe XDA would do well to forbid this subject in any of the forum sections.
The best option is to buy a device built for and legally preloaded with Windows.
Ah, no, not going to happen.
Besides, if you want W8 on a Transformer, look up "Vivo Tab."
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As mentioned many times before all over XDA Microsoft Windows 8 or RT is not a free open source OS.
Even if some clever genius somehow managed to actually do this it certainly would not be a good idea to let Microsoft find out.
I'm almost sure if this was ever cracked and installed on Android powered devices the wrath of MS would be forthcoming.
This is a real can of worms and I believe XDA would do well to forbid this subject in any of the forum sections.
The best option is to buy a device built for and legally preloaded with Windows.
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I agree, but its not just that, the source code would be required to make it work on this device. So, its not just that its "not allowed", but that it is not physically compatible. Therefore even if cracked, it would still be of no use.
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I agree, but its not just that, the source code would be required to make it work on this device. So, its not just that its "not allowed", but that it is not physically compatible. Therefore even if cracked, it would still be of no use.
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You can certainly believe if were possible MS would sell you a copy you could install. Bill aint gonna miss a dime