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yes every day there is the same question and thing I'm doing, looking to the web for news about new MS mobile devices..and now thinking about buying the Vox. But the only thing so far I couldn't live with is that there should be big delay when opening or closing the keyboard.
How do you rate this?
Its a few seconds...maybe more if you have many apps running in the backround, but then everything runs slow when thats happening on any WM device... dosent bother me...
Regards - John
To be honest in my opinion its not as bad as other make it seem, as long you keep tabs on the programs you have running in the background every now and not running with only 1mb free memory then you shouldn't have a problem. One tip you can try is disabling the sound it plays when switching views in the settings. Made the switch slightly faster in my opinion.
Without the Sound it is maybe 2 times faster..
thanks guys for your prompt answers!!
Do you have a clou whether the important progs like PocketInformant or AgendaOne are running without problems in landscape mode?
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thanks guys for your prompt answers!!
Do you have a clou whether the important progs like PocketInformant or AgendaOne are running without problems in landscape mode?
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I use AgendaOne and I haev not had an issue with it switching orientation. However Documents to Go has a problem as does SmartPhoneNotes - they will not fill the screen, you get a scroll-bar on the righe, pretty much making it still portrate..
John
hi John
I thought one doesn't need smartphonenotes anymore as WM6 should have its own notes taking application?
As well as Office Mobile (doc, xls, ppt) should be on board, isn't ?
I really don't see what the fuss is about speed of the screen rotation. Its not like it takes several minutes. Approx 1-3 seconds depending on what's running in the background is perfectly fine.
hi guys, I don't want to make the Vox bad, I'm asking because I had the same issue with HTC Hermes, which was also quite ok after I disabled the sound. It also depends on how many applications are installed, loaded in memory, how much memory is free etc. But reading one of the serious reviews like the one from mobile-review - I rather ask for opinions of users before I buy it.
Thank you all
Can somebody tell how is it with the mobile office? Is it really not included with Vox as I read also somewhere? And is there a mobile note application synchronizing with Outlook?
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Can somebody tell how is it with the mobile office? Is it really not included with Vox as I read also somewhere?
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I have it installed. It includes, adobe reader LE, Excel Mobile, Calculator, Powerpoint Mobile, Voice notes and Word Mobile.
rgrds
Björn
You can edit existing documents but you cannot create ones, correct?
How about the notes application - possible to synchronize them with desktop?
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hi John
I thought one doesn't need smartphonenotes anymore as WM6 should have its own notes taking application?
As well as Office Mobile (doc, xls, ppt) should be on board, isn't ?
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Yes it has them...but WM6 does not allow for creation of new items in Office Mobile (although there is a hack to get around that) but I personally find Documents to Go a better offering than what MS gives you. I have word docs sent via email that dont load in Word mobile (on WM5 or WM6) yet have no problem in DTG...
There is also a 3rd party notes app - but no way to Sync to Outlook, thus I use SmartPhoneNotes.
Regards - John
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I have it installed. It includes, adobe reader LE, Excel Mobile, Calculator, Powerpoint Mobile, Voice notes and Word Mobile.
rgrds
Björn
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You know...not to go way off topic here, but I thought I was going crazy one night because I could not figure out why there was no Calculator on the VOX...it never crossed my mind that it would be under "Office Mobile".... Since I never go in there with DTG installed - makes no sense at all to me for it to be in there...
My 2 cents
John
this is really a place one should go to - getting answers by like-minded people.
RE notes / synchronization - you know that there is a new beta out there of phatnotes by phatware? It supports WM6, might be a solution also for the landscape issue with smartphonenotes described by John...?
chybinj said:
You know...not to go way off topic here, but I thought I was going crazy one night because I could not figure out why there was no Calculator on the VOX...it never crossed my mind that it would be under "Office Mobile".... Since I never go in there with DTG installed - makes no sense at all to me for it to be in there...
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Hehe.. had the same problem, I had to hunt around for it a while before finding it.
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Björn
fire00 said:
this is really a place one should go to - getting answers by like-minded people.
RE notes / synchronization - you know that there is a new beta out there of phatnotes by phatware? It supports WM6, might be a solution also for the landscape issue with smartphonenotes described by John...?
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Didn't know about it to be honest, will have to swing by their site and look it up.
I guess I should note that DTG and Smartphonenotes are landscape aware, I used them just fine on my BlackJack...and I noticed today actually that if you start them in landscape mode they auto-rotate just fine....its only when you start in portrait mode that they go whacky...
Take care - John
Guys it's just me or it is a fact that the progress of windows mobile is really slow?
I mean there are several versions of windows mobile, 6.0 got our before 5.0 was even running well enough (not to mention several bugs in 5.0 that were barely fixed) and I wonder: wouldn't it be better to stick to an OS version for a longer period of time and make it run really good?
I won't go into a debate mac vs pc or anything of this kind, but isn't the standard windows mobile interface a bit boring? I like the iPhone for the innovative interface and design only, or another model I've seen m8 from meizu.
Something should change, not just a fancy gradient in the titlebar and the menubar!!!!!
I have a problem with the keyboards too. The MS sip is the same since 2002 pocket pcs!!! And that is really a lot of time of using the same cra.ppy system, and forgive me for overreacting but I think entering texts is a main concern, we all use these devices mainly as communicators or for various information storage that needs to be edited, moved from a location to another an all these actions require user input...
I know there are lots of experienced users on this forum, so this is a call to all of them , I need their suggestions in what would be the best choice for a text-input software for Pocket PCs?
I was using the SPB keyboard for about 2 years now I really like it, it's just that it covers all my text (yeah, I know it's fulscreen ), and I would like to try some similar variants: concern #1 : it must have big keys or it's useless to me.
Thanks for your time, everyone!
I'm using ZTA4 SIP, it's mainly for Chinese input but also can be used for English typing.
Cheers,
Vibranze
thanks, any link for that?
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Guys it's just me or it is a fact that the progress of windows mobile is really slow?
I mean there are several versions of windows mobile, 6.0 got our before 5.0 was even running well enough (not to mention several bugs in 5.0 that were barely fixed) and I wonder: wouldn't it be better to stick to an OS version for a longer period of time and make it run really good?
I won't go into a debate mac vs pc or anything of this kind, but isn't the standard windows mobile interface a bit boring? I like the iPhone for the innovative interface and design only, or another model I've seen m8 from meizu.
Something should change, not just a fancy gradient in the titlebar and the menubar!!!!!
I have a problem with the keyboards too. The MS sip is the same since 2002 pocket pcs!!! And that is really a lot of time of using the same cra.ppy system, and forgive me for overreacting but I think entering texts is a main concern, we all use these devices mainly as communicators or for various information storage that needs to be edited, moved from a location to another an all these actions require user input...
I know there are lots of experienced users on this forum, so this is a call to all of them , I need their suggestions in what would be the best choice for a text-input software for Pocket PCs?
I was using the SPB keyboard for about 2 years now I really like it, it's just that it covers all my text (yeah, I know it's fulscreen ), and I would like to try some similar variants: concern #1 : it must have big keys or it's useless to me.
Thanks for your time, everyone!
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Try the skinnable Resco keyboard, several options available. See screenshot and download link below.
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thanks, any link for that?
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I attached here, try it yourself
Instead of choosing the unknown chinese character, you can choose Abc so you will be able to type in English.
Cheers,
Vibranze
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Try the skinnable Resco keyboard, several options available. See screenshot and download link below.
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Something happened to screen shot. Here's another one.
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Something happened to screen shot. Here's another one.
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Thanks for the post!
Unfortunatelly Resco has too small keys, almost like the default SIP, I can't use it
vibranze I'm gonna try it asap!
vibranze said:
I attached here, try it yourself
Instead of choosing the unknown chinese character, you can choose Abc so you will be able to type in English.
Cheers,
Vibranze
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Vibranze thanks for the efforts but the ZTA4 SIP DOESN'T WORK ON MY DEVICE.
I have attached a screenshot, it loads, but it is unusable. Still it seems to have pretty small keys, but I'm not sure as it doesn't load properly, what could I do?
wow Guys, check this out:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=322441
now this is a keyboard!
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Vibranze thanks for the efforts but the ZTA4 SIP DOESN'T WORK ON MY DEVICE.
I have attached a screenshot, it loads, but it is unusable. Still it seems to have pretty small keys, but I'm not sure as it doesn't load properly, what could I do?
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Hi,
Attached is the screenshot taken from my device. Altough it's a bit small but if you use stylus it's far far better than the normal keyboard, and some more it's also support keypad typing
Cheers,
Vibranze
I searched for this on the forum and couldn't find any helpful threads before anyone complains
What would you guys recommend and more importantly, can it be found relatively easily on the shadier parts of the web? (don't post a link or mention a website, even in a PM)
Please don't ban me Mods, I'm only 14 and I bought my Fuze full price because I didn't have an upgrade so I'm a little short on cash
thers many programs and im sure you can use forced qvga programs for that vga device of yours..like tweaks2k.net brute force vga and such..but the programs are (that i use)
igo8 (horrible imo)
destinator7 (my favorite)
tomtom7
garmin xt (my second favorite because it gives you local ACCURATE gas prices!)
Thank you. I think I am going to go with TomTom 7 as it was the easiest to find and I was getting consistant 1.2mb/s download speeds. It seems to be good enough and gas prices don't really affect me as I'm not supposed to be driving yet anyways
I've been testing AmazeGPS (amazegps.com), an over-the-air voice navigation system that is (legitimately) free. I have to say that I'm quite impressed. Yesterday was the first time that I trusted it to get me someplace that I wasn't completely sure how to get to, and it performed very well. The routing it gave me was different from how I had gone before (the way Google maps sent me), but it was much better -- skipped a lot of traffic and was more direct. Coming back home, it gave me a different routing, which was actually better for that direction than retracing my path would have been. It led me clearly through a couple of confusing intersections with multiple roads converging. Search works really well, too.
The Windows Mobile version is still in beta (it was originally a Java app), so I imagine there will be a few more bells and whistles when it goes GA, but I'm really pleased so far and don't see any need to pay for a GPS package.
I may have to try Amaze, never heard of it before. I still prefer to have all my maps on a storage card though since I travel a lot and am frequently in areas of little or no service.
Not sure what pazookie doesn't like about igo8, it's my current favorite, especially since the maps are by state so you can take only what you need to save space (though that's not a big issue with the huge SDHC).
pazookie said:
thers many programs and im sure you can use forced qvga programs for that vga device of yours..like tweaks2k.net brute force vga and such..but the programs are (that i use)
igo8 (horrible imo)
destinator7 (my favorite)
tomtom7
garmin xt (my second favorite because it gives you local ACCURATE gas prices!)
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where can i get the destinaator7 in english?
wmm said:
I've been testing AmazeGPS (amazegps.com), an over-the-air voice navigation system that is (legitimately) free. I have to say that I'm quite impressed. Yesterday was the first time that I trusted it to get me someplace that I wasn't completely sure how to get to, and it performed very well. The routing it gave me was different from how I had gone before (the way Google maps sent me), but it was much better -- skipped a lot of traffic and was more direct. Coming back home, it gave me a different routing, which was actually better for that direction than retracing my path would have been. It led me clearly through a couple of confusing intersections with multiple roads converging. Search works really well, too.
The Windows Mobile version is still in beta (it was originally a Java app), so I imagine there will be a few more bells and whistles when it goes GA, but I'm really pleased so far and don't see any need to pay for a GPS package.
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What i didnt like was when searching for businesses farther than a 10mile radius. The providers listed are not finding the place i want under "local search"
sammypwns said:
Thank you. I think I am going to go with TomTom 7 as it was the easiest to find and I was getting consistant 1.2mb/s download speeds. It seems to be good enough and gas prices don't really affect me as I'm not supposed to be driving yet anyways
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Ive searched and found that the tomtom7 is free,but most of the download links have been taken down.And also that the maps are not free.
iGo8:
Pros--
-You can get TTS
-Smooth map updates as you're driving
-Good graphics
-NavTeq maps, better than TeleAtlas in the US
-Fast when searching POIs
-All data is stored on memory card, good when hard resetting
-You can use different skins
Cons--
-Slower at getting a fix than Garmin
-No live traffic
-Routing can be a little off compared to Garmin
-ETA has always been off for me, really noticeable on long trips
Garmin Mobile XT:
Pros--
-One of the best/trusted routing engines out there
-Polished and easy interface
-v5 has integrated Google Search for endless POI searches (if you have internet access)
-Live Fuel and traffic
-Just released updated maps, uses Navteq
-ETA is always accurate
Cons--
-No TTS (still tells you when/where to turn, but doesn't say street names)
-Refresh rate is only once per second, not as fluid as iGo
-For local streets, it usually displays CR52 instead of the common street name
TomTom:
-I never really used this program because the latest TeleAtlas maps I could find don't even have my 5 year old subdivision in them.
iGuidance 2009:
-I only played with this a couple days. Not much of an update from v4. SLOW interface compared to the others when moving from screen to screen. Accurate routing and ETA. Has native TTS. Has new, just released Navteq maps.
i have garmin mobile xt, tomtom, and google maps. google maps is great, up to date, free, and you can find everything with it but it sucks for giving directions since its flat 2d and has no voice or automatic directions. i love garmin the most. its very smooth and easy to use. it also gives things like gas prices, flight times, and things like that. the garmin software is actually free, you have to pay for an unlock code to get it to work with the builtin gps unit otherwise it only works with garmin branded units and you have to buy the maps. but its worth it. you can also get it illegally but its such a great piece of software its worth the money. it ends up being cheaper than an actual garmin unit and i prefer my phone to any on the market. tomtom is the one that confuses me. you can get it from so many cabs posted everywhere. i installed it to get footprints working. its kinda ugly and would get a fix for me. i wasnt impressed but its ok because i have garmin and google maps.
I suggest Tomtom Navigator 7. I would prefer it over any just for the fact that I have used it for years without any problems. Unlike my crappy Garmin. Allthough I will say that the garmin did seem a little more friendly, but after using the TomTom systems I've got very used to them.
i like the mixed opinions. people saying opposite things that fit them better and youre being told to find your own option that suits you. helpless community ftw! ^_^
amAzeGPS
I have to agree with the amAzeGPS option. I have been using this piece of free software for the past 3 weeks and I am thoroughly impressed.
Clearly, the main problem is that you require a data connection (the maps are not stored on your device); therefore it's use in a "deadzone" is nill.
I have been led to believe that they are coming out with a version that will enable you to download your route, thus negating the deadzone effects for navigation. I am hopeful that they will also include additional navigation informtion if you take a wrong turn :-0 (but that might be asking too much).
M
amazegps looks pretty good actually for being free. i think you understand the limitations if youre darting towards free software.
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i like the mixed opinions. people saying opposite things that fit them better and youre being told to find your own option that suits you. helpless community ftw! ^_^
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What do you expect? Everyone has their own opinion when it comes to software and preferences. Some people love TomTom and some love Garmin, others hate one or the other.
I tried to give as many pros and cons as I could about the software I've used the most, and that way based on the user's preferences, it'll hopefully help their decision.
For some people, they absolutely need TTS and it is high on their priority list, that really narrows down the options. For others, TTS isn't very important. Some people rank Garmin high because of the Garmin Online features, others feel its a waste because they don't use them.
It all boils down to what you want in a program, what's important to you, and if you ask what's the best one, you're never going to get everyone in agreement. If you ask about 3 programs, I can promise you that each program would get atleast one vote that its the best thing out there.
look if you can't use google search and torrents to find what you need then you don't deserve turn by turn gps and you can use google maps
anyway, in terms of apps, i've always been a fan of tomtom, but only recently acquired garmin xt as tomtom will not work with your radio off.
Amaze looks pretty good, but I haven't had a proper chance to use it. I live in Las Vegas and this place grows literally by the day. So from my perspective there are tons of roads missing and it doesn't even have my neighborhood (2 years old) at all.
Question for those who use garmin:
Do you find V5 to be slower than V4 as far as using the actual program goes?
Which do you think runs smoother?
On my Fuze, Garmin refereshes VERY slow, but it has a nicer interface. For me TomTom has been very reliable, and that is what I use.
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Question for those who use garmin:
Do you find V5 to be slower than V4 as far as using the actual program goes?
Which do you think runs smoother?
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As far as moving around the program? v5 seems just as fast as v4 was for me. As far as the map refreshes, Garmin has always refreshed at about once per second, even in the standalone Nuvi ones.
I'm trying the previously mentioned services this week!
I pay the $10 a month for the AT&T Nav, now I wonder if I have been wasting my cash on it. For the most part it performs well and I use it daily. Sometimes it takes 10+ minutes to find a GPS sat. and that's unacceptable for a paid service. I've heard good things about OnCourse and would like to hear more about it if anybody has experiences.
Google Maps is good if you have time and the skill to stare at the little screen without crashing into a tree.
Don't bother to upgrade to Bing 5.0.11249.0: it is pure bling. They have made the interface "prettier" but took away alot of the functionality. Not only does it not give proper "live" feedback for turn-by-turn directions, a good part of the map is covered by icons that you can't move, especially in landscape mode. Movie and other searches are also far more tedious.
This is definitely a downgrade. But why?! Google has upped the ante on GPS software and it looks like if MS has folded. Come on, guys - get real! Fumbles like this one will surely doom the windows platform!
I unfortunatly agree with you
The graphics face lift is welcome, but everything else is crap.
I agree too.
Me too... One of the best functions of the old version was the ability to SMS the search results to someone... cant do that.
It also shuts off the screen... even if you're in GPS mode. Cannot do long/lat as before, doesnt tell how many sats you're seeing... it is exactly what you guys said... crap.
I thought I had a copy of the latest old build somewhere but I dont... anyone care to help?
Found the old one... "Normality has been restored"
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=4012497
Because of this things that I like sites that archive old versions. Like OldVersion
Go to m.bing.com and follow the links to the older versions and choose either the WM5 or the WM6 version, not the WM6.1 or 6.5.
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Because of this things that I like sites that archive old versions. Like OldVersion
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Great find!
Thanks!
trudat,
but what do you guys think about the voice recognition?
I think Windows Mobile Marketplace still has the old version. The old version is 4.x, the new is 5.x
I could be mistaken but I think the voice recognition engine is the same in the old version and new version. I didn't have any issues with 4.x voice recognition.
It could also be the fact that 5.x is in beta. I would give MS the benefit of the doubt, they are trying. I would use the Feedback option in Help to give MS some constructive criticism
VR seems to work the same. No major improvements there. I hope this beta will lead to something else more significant, but I'm not holding my breath.
I never really used the voice recognition cause it never really worked too well. I let my fingers do the talking
Que?
On my Kaiser it works fine for a while like for many people, and then suddenly says my Phone isn't supported. WTF? But OK, I too will happily downgrade, as it really doesn't appear to be any better than the previous version. I'd beg to differ with those who say the speech recognition doesn't work though. I find it one of the best things about WLS/Bing. It works absolutely amazingly well. But then you do need to speak clearly. I use it with a BT headset too, great results.
Yeah, despite apparently working fine, it quits automatically on my Kaiser saying it isn't supported. Oh well.
Played around with a bit on a coworker's TP, and it's definitely a mixed bag. It's very nice-looking, and I'm impressed how it integrates Bing's "pic of the day" styling. Really nice-looking.
It is definitely less functional in many ways. The gas price finder never worked for me anyways (prices were never up-to-date and correct around here), but the theatre listings would definitely be missed. Luckily there's other apps for that.
It IS, however, better for web searches. In fact, it's surprisingly useful for web searches, since it seems a little snappier than using bing.com (or google.com, for that matter) in the browser. Hopefully MS tacks some of the better local search functions back on.
It's just crossing my mind this idea to downgrade from WP7 to WM6.x. Yes, it has been told that this two platforms are completely different thing, on hardware and software base. But, after looking at the HD2 forum that is dedicated to HD2s update from WM6.5 to WP7 the idea just could be right.
Switching from WM6.5 to WP7 made me nostalgic for WM6.5 and it's programs, settings... Well, I guess that, as a lot of people, I haven't asked around about WP7 enough to see how it works and what it gives. But, I do like this phone, and especially 1GHz processor, 5MP camera, touch screen and other things (o yeah the battery is much better) that it comes hard to me to have this mighty thing that is all locked up. It could be that in a year or so, from now, it will be better than WM6.5 but considering all that time needed to get it close to WM6.5 and original idea to create WP7 (to make it easy-to-use and lot less custom) it stands on this OS just like gray cloud.
Just wanted to write this, and if someone shares my opinion I would be most glad to hear about it.
Maybe it will be possible to get to WM6.5...
nope cant be done sorry. just install the mango beta it blows wm6.5 out of the water.
Yes, I do try to think like that, and then I realize that I need SatNav. And, no GPS navigation software can't be installed, for time being, there is no Garmin, IGo, TomTom...
I'll definitely stick to this phone, and Mango I'll update. Hope it'll make my life simpler.
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Yes, I do try to think like that, and then I realize that I need SatNav. And, no GPS navigation software can't be installed, for time being, there is no Garmin, IGo, TomTom...
I'll definitely stick to this phone, and Mango I'll update. Hope it'll make my life simpler.
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Garmin StreetPilot is now in Marketplace for a hefty $39.99, but unfortunately still does not include fully installed maps. Maps can however be downloaded ahead of time to the phone for the relevant route.
for unlocked device you have Navigon select...
My Arrive came with TeleNav. And the built in Bing stuff does turn by turn (with an upgrade coming in Mango). I don't see GPS apps as being an issue.
Yeap, now the future looks better.
as longer I use WP7 the more I wish a downgrade to WM6.5!!!
Where is my (momentary VERY needed) possibility to use tethering!? How do I synch "get away ALL your music and videos, blahblah..." all my things WITHOUT the scrapy Zune-SW, and (haha!) how I can increase the memory for it!?
****ty menues (just 5 stupid icons -what I there are several, much more options!?!?), it's not possible for the developers to install a dedicated database (so you have to make it "in the cloud") -yeah!!!! It's SO stupid on a MOBILE phone, as there often is the possibility that you're NOT online, or with GPRS or EDGE only -and it is SO funny if you're in a train and all 5 secondy it switsh from G to E to G3 to G to HSDPA. The last ****! :-(
The IE on it often don't work. Hmmm -let's use Opera. Uuuh -damned -I forget: you can't install ANYTHING!!!
OK -exceptional jailbreak, but I never did it before, and I don't want it -but I HAVE to do it, if I want to USE my phone.
I think it's better to reactivate my HD2 -there is ALL functionable, without any problems. And: it contains much data that i need -and there is NO possibilty to migrate SMS (i.e.) to WP7 -VERY poor performance Microsoft!!!!
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as longer I use WP7 the more I wish a downgrade to WM6.5!!!
Where is my (momentary VERY needed) possibility to use tethering!? How do I synch "get away ALL your music and videos, blahblah..." all my things WITHOUT the scrapy Zune-SW, and (haha!) how I can increase the memory for it!?
****ty menues (just 5 stupid icons -what I there are several, much more options!?!?), it's not possible for the developers to install a dedicated database (so you have to make it "in the cloud") -yeah!!!! It's SO stupid on a MOBILE phone, as there often is the possibility that you're NOT online, or with GPRS or EDGE only -and it is SO funny if you're in a train and all 5 secondy it switsh from G to E to G3 to G to HSDPA. The last ****! :-(
The IE on it often don't work. Hmmm -let's use Opera. Uuuh -damned -I forget: you can't install ANYTHING!!!
OK -exceptional jailbreak, but I never did it before, and I don't want it -but I HAVE to do it, if I want to USE my phone.
I think it's better to reactivate my HD2 -there is ALL functionable, without any problems. And: it contains much data that i need -and there is NO possibilty to migrate SMS (i.e.) to WP7 -VERY poor performance Microsoft!!!!
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wow where to start. this is probably the most ignorant post I've read on here thus far and with poor grammar at that. my arrive has had wonderful performance since the day I got it and it has improved even further since I installed the mango beta. the live tiles are awesome makes android and iOS seem like nothing but app launchers, the whole concept of apps is overrated and I can do a lot of things without having to even launch an app. and IE9 runs circes around opera. especially the one on WM.
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wow where to start. this is probably the most ignorant post I've read on here thus far and with poor grammar at that. my arrive has had wonderful performance since the day I got it and it has improved even further since I installed the mango beta. the live tiles are awesome makes android and iOS seem like nothing but app launchers, the whole concept of apps is overrated and I can do a lot of things without having to even launch an app. and IE9 runs circes around opera. especially the one on WM.
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Hmmm... It's not the performance that is question. But, it's functionality. Migrating from WM6.5 to WP7 should, at least I thought, have been compatible, eg. SMS, Connection settings (WiFi, Phone...), Contact (I've had to do it the old fashion way, by typing contacts manual / an then I found out about sync with WLive ).
It feels like I have powerful thing (excellent hardware), but it does non better than Nokia 3310. Just raw speed, for basic things.
Hi eric -I'm not a native speaker (english) -but give us some probes from your netherlands, german and french
But as I can see, you're able to read what I wrote, and thats what matter.
But back to topic: What sense is in a phone that is unusable in much functions DIRECTLY. For everyone -not just for people which have the time, the skills und of course the desire to make an jailbreak (which causes lost of guarantee), rebuild the phone several times, have so read several manuals, howtos and search for betas, previews.
I'd tried the Desire Z (just because of the same why I buy the 7 Pro -it's a type & touch) -and send it bach 2 days later to amazon. It's exactly what you wrote: just app-launchers! I hate apple., because of their "we tell you what to do" -and with WP7 it cames to me. I don't wanna do a jailbreak -but I didn't have an alternative (if I want to USE the phone) :-(
Maybee other people have the possibility and time to try the mango beta -and it seems that I MUST do it, or I have to sell the phone (what will make me very sad -a VERY good piece of hardware!!)
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Hi eric -I'm not a native speaker (english) -but give us some probes from your netherlands, german and french
But as I can see, you're able to read what I wrote, and thats what matter.
But back to topic: What sense is in a phone that is unusable in much functions DIRECTLY. For everyone -not just for people which have the time, the skills und of course the desire to make an jailbreak (which causes lost of guarantee), rebuild the phone several times, have so read several manuals, howtos and search for betas, previews.
I'd tried the Desire Z (just because of the same why I buy the 7 Pro -it's a type & touch) -and send it bach 2 days later to amazon. It's exactly what you wrote: just app-launchers! I hate apple., because of their "we tell you what to do" -and with WP7 it cames to me. I don't wanna do a jailbreak -but I didn't have an alternative (if I want to USE the phone) :-(
Maybee other people have the possibility and time to try the mango beta -and it seems that I MUST do it, or I have to sell the phone (what will make me very sad -a VERY good piece of hardware!!)
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odd,i didn't have to do any of that when I got my Arrive. just open the box, enter my live ID and I was good to go. wp7 is not an app launcher as almost everything can be done without even having to go into an app. with the mango beta which is easy to install i can identify a song that's playing, a product for the best price,get directions somewhere (even in malls),find something to do in the area, buy movie tickets,search the web and watch html5 videos in HD quality,check my Facebook,chat on Facebook and check in. and many other things. install the mango beta and u'll feel much better about it.
Hold on. The core of any smartphone are applications. Staring with earliest versions of WM, Symbian, iOS, Android, Droid, WP7, they all the same with a final porpoise, and that is an application/s.
Therefore calling other systems "apps launcher" is contradiction. Because doing anything with a WP7 is being done via apps. Home screen is, just as in any other mobile system, a pile of shortcuts with a weather and the clock. The truth is that some systems are doing it, app launching, better than the others.
Correct me if I'm wrong.
With all of its hardware, as WP7 requires to run, this phone, or any WP7, will in the future be something good.
If you've played with WP7 enough, you'll find that the live tiles really preclude you from needing to actually launch the associated apps unnecessarily. Because of this, the commenter was calling the other Mobile OS versions more of an "app launcher" because, in general, you need to launch the app to interact with it. (Google has widgets, but those widgets aren't quite the same.) With WP7, you can glance-and-go (one of the tenants that MS imparted into the Metro design) and only launch apps when there is a required interaction. It really is a different approach, and one that I think works very well.
Please give some comparison for WP7 and other mobile OS (mOS).
As hard as I try, and I do like to play around with WP7, I just can't find anything that makes WP7 better than other mOS.
Eg. When email or SMS arrive, on WP7s homescreen shows a count of these items, and on the other hand, Symbian do just the same. So, where is the difference?
So far, the only thing that is obviously better are things-apps that have something to do with the internet (Windows Live, Email, Internet Explorer, Youtube) or with the 1GHz processor (apps do work better with stronger processor, so by having stronger processor apps work better and it isn't because of WP7).
you sound like you're determined to be underwhelmed by wp7. yes, when you get an SMS, the homescreen tells you that you have one....that's what phones do. What more is there for a phone to do with an sms?
WP7 is highly innovative from a UI standpoint. What you seem to be interested in, however, is the menu-heavy micromanaging style of old school winmo. If you want to be able to micromanage every last little thing about your phone go to a different platform. WP7 does everything it is purported to do, if you are not getting what you wanted, then you didn't do your homework before you dropped god-knows-how-much on a phone. these days, it's not about which platform is better, it's about preference. It's getting to the point where every platform can do all the really important things really well. so how do you want your phone to look? that's what you're buying.
Don't get me wrong, but what you are saying is what I've been saying. That is, WP7 as any other mOS is not new in functionality but it is different in GUI. Other qualities are not available to be seen, since there are no apps which can show it.
For now, WP7, only offers basic features.
I have been wondering the same thing since the 1 st rumors of windows phone 7 but still a no go. Its ironic ms stripped away so many of the things that made wm only to get beat out by the former clone of themselves....android. I love the form the tp2 & wish they wouldve released an hd2 with a keyboard. They shouldve stripped the name windows,hired a special team that managed themes system wide so that u have eye candy without it being resource heavy & hired a marketing team that would make apple & google have nightmares.
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I have been wondering the same thing since the 1 st rumors of windows phone 7 but still a no go. Its ironic ms stripped away so many of the things that made wm only to get beat out by the former clone of themselves....android. I love the form the tp2 & wish they wouldve released an hd2 with a keyboard. They shouldve stripped the name windows,hired a special team that managed themes system wide so that u have eye candy without it being resource heavy & hired a marketing team that would make apple & google have nightmares.
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that's what they are doing with the mango update that's near release and the beta is already out and I find that im able to do just as much if not more than WM6.5 and android (former TP2 owner and loved it, had an EVO **** for a week and hated it).
Hi,
I followed eric12341's suggestion and have the mango-beta installed (and have buyed a developer account, to make side-loads possible). And some things were better (slow was it not before -hey, it have a 1GHz CPU, it HAVE to be fast ), but there are so many things which waste time. If I want to have a (exact) look of charging, I have to go through some menue-points. As I often in transit by railways, I have to set date several times, and the WM-calendar (and to set the time) is MUCH more effective, as I didnt't have to use the annoying slider-gadgets. Maybe it looks nice, but it waste much time. Before it was just 3 tips, no it's an orgy -the possebility to change the style would be great! And local database for apps -to find the connecting-train while you have no network (and EVERY thing have to be found over network when you want to set start and target of you travel, because of the impossebillity of local databases) is a horror! Before: 10 seconds, now 3 minutes -or longer, as often there is no network in the train. :-(
And unfortunately many very good (sideload)-apps will not longer work after mango. And when I can make a backup from my data, if I want to upgrade memory, or have to change it (because of defectivs, i.e.). And not all of my friend have Zune installed, but they have good music, pdf's or anything else for me. The next thing I was wondering: why I can only set my own ringtons for calling? What'a about SMS, email, and so on?? ^^
Sorry for the bad english -hope it was not to hard to read. :-(
Groby, thanks for the info. I was looking for some info about Mango.
Navigating via online updating is absolutely annoying. It takes for ever to download map, and there are no detailed maps, but only hi-ways and few byways.
I looks like this operating system is way out from it's time, for about good year or so.
If developers could make downgrade to WM 6.x, it would make this phone a dream.