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Motorola makes Apple pull iPads and iPhones in Germany

Now this is interesting for a change
Motorola makes Apple pull iPads and iPhones in Germany
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-16871075
Apple has pulled several iPad and iPhone models from its German online store after Motorola Mobility enforced a patent injunction against its rival.
The move follows a December ruling that Apple had failed to license one of Motorola's wireless intellectual properties
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In the end it is only the consumers that lose...so sad.

Can we stop making google sound like a white knight in the patent case now?

AllGamer said:
Now this is interesting for a change
Motorola makes Apple pull iPads and iPhones in Germany
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-16871075
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It would be except that apple were reallowed to sell them there within hours of the ruling. They never seem to lose even when they do legally lose.
Dave
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Apple actually lost a lawsuit? Wow ahahah

SupremeRadicals said:
Apple actually lost a lawsuit? Wow ahahah
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That's what I was thinking! Its a start!
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z33dev33l said:
Can we stop making google sound like a white knight in the patent case now?
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Can we stop being a flame-baiting troll humper now?
This is a motorola case. Not a google case.

Well looks like android (through moto) got revenge for what apple did last year (Galaxy Tab)

Jesushaxyou said:
Can we stop being a flame-baiting troll humper now?
This is a motorola case. Not a google case.
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Fwiw google have to agree to every court case motorola opens so it does actually involve google as they gave the go ahead.
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lowandbehold said:
In the end it is only the consumers that lose...so sad.
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So true
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mistermentality said:
Fwiw google have to agree to every court case motorola opens so it does actually involve google as they gave the go ahead.
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Umm, not really. The purchase has not been approved yet (although it is expected to be). So Google actually has no say in the actions of Motorola at this point in time.

lowandbehold said:
Umm, not really. The purchase has not been approved yet (although it is expected to be). So Google actually has no say in the actions of Motorola at this point in time.
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Yes they do. As part of the in process acquisition by google motorola signed an agreement not to commit to any legal action without googles say so. It's been quoted from on xda and can be found online. I think it was on the patents blog by florrian mueller that I first read it though.
EDIT: http://fosspatents.blogspot.com/2012/01/google-authorized-motorola-to-seek.html quotes said agreement.
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Great moto revenge for what applesauce did last year!

z33dev33l said:
Can we stop making google sound like a white knight in the patent case now?
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Google and it's partners have only filed retaliatory suits against Apple.
Apple is simply getting exactly what it deserves. If they behaved themselves in the first place this would not have happened

its about time somebody kicked apples as* !

rajalm29 said:
its about time somebody kicked apples as* !
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Doesn't this sound ironic?Kicking a fruit's ass?
Anyway,good one,finally.No,Google is no company of saints and non-sinners,but compared to Apple,all others are angels at worst.Yeah,healthy competition is one thing.Patenting something that DOES belong to you is ok too.But patenting the whole ****ing planet because it actually looks like a fruit in shape is outrageous.
To be clear,I am downright against this whole patent thing.It has to stop at some point.It's not like anyone,except for Microsoft at some point,has had any profit from this bull****.Multi-billion companies acting like little girls fighting over who got a pair of shoes first is ridiculous...

+1
tolis626 said:
Multi-billion companies acting like little girls fighting over who got a pair of shoes first is ridiculous...
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that's indeed exactly what it looks like currently with this flawed patent system

The system is capable. It's the legal teams that are at fault.
Apple is so anti-competitive, it's great to see them get a little payback.

At least motorola is willing to license it's patents. Apple just bans infringing products.

Apple Patent Dispute aims Android*ICS Lock Screen

http://technofierce.com/2012/01/24/...ck-screen-in-samsung-galaxy-nexus/news/001926
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And yet another reason to prove apple is gay aswell as its users. They cant handle a phone thats better then theirs.

I dont know why anyone gave them the right to patent a motion. Are they going to patent high fives next?
and apparently they patented rounded edges in Australia.

Seems ppl were jumping to conclusions again.... more so the s2. Series is the target
http://m.androidcentral.com/samsung-galaxy-nexus-unlock-screen-not-targeted-apple-lawsuit-after-all
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jim93 said:
I dont know why anyone gave them the right to patent a motion. Are they going to patent high fives next?
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http://www.google.com/patents/US5356330

jim93 said:
I dont know why anyone gave them the right to patent a motion. Are they going to patent high fives next?
and apparently they patented rounded edges in Australia.
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saltmine said:
http://www.google.com/patents/US5356330
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...pwned.
It's not uncommon for Apple to target Samsung, Motorola...or Android for that matter. Whether or not Apple actually has a case is above me, but it's apparent both of these OS use or "borrow" features from the other...a self-made "improved" version of the former.

Joy2DaWurld said:
...pwned.
It's not uncommon for Apple to target Samsung, Motorola...or Android for that matter. Whether or not Apple actually has a case is above me, but it's apparent both of these OS use or "borrow" features from the other...a self-made "improved" version of the former.
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i assume google wasn't smart enough to patent stuff that apple borrowed?

jessejames111981 said:
i assume google wasn't smart enough to patent stuff that apple borrowed?
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I can't stand this patent stuff
I understand companies waiting to protect intellectual property
But apple and other companies are going to far.
I think only their devices and distinct styles should be patented
That's it...
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Sounds like Apple is really grasping for straws at this point.

gstar_raw said:
Sounds like Apple is really grasping for straws at this point.
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how so? iOS still accounts for a signifigant (even if it isn't majority) & of smartphones. Apple owns that entire portion of the pie where as the android portion is shared by a handful of companies. Plus they got a name. As long as they put out a half decent product, it will sell.

can't these guys just drop all the lawsuits and actually improve their os/ui? seriously.. most of the time they just sue each other instead of improving things -.-

jessejames111981 said:
how so? iOS still accounts for a signifigant (even if it isn't majority) & of smartphones. Apple owns that entire portion of the pie where as the android portion is shared by a handful of companies. Plus they got a name. As long as they put out a half decent product, it will sell.
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Your logic is flawed. He didn't say that they were doing poorly, he simply said they are going for anything and everything they can. Maybe they want to own more of the market, maybe they are afraid of android getting ahead... Just because iOS is doing well doesn't mean they aren't getting defensive lately.

Another one of the many reasons why I refuse to buy any apple products.
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What i dont fet is why in hell can companies like Apple keep wasting so much money on lawauits instead of investing in innovationwhich theyve lost a few years back
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ktynchy1 said:
What i dont fet is why in hell can companies like Apple keep wasting so much money on lawauits instead of investing in innovationwhich theyve lost a few years back
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the OG iPhone spawned a growth spurt in transforming PDAs to our modern smartphone. We are currently in a spot where noone is doing anything innovative so I guess this is their way of passing time

Apple needs to go #UCK themselves with all their frivolous lawsuits.
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clninja said:
Another one of the many reasons why I refuse to buy any apple products.
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I think about it the same way!

This is the only thing that left for Apple to do since they enjoy taking everyone and their brothers to court
BREAKING NEWS: Apple Computer, Inc. has filed a copyright infingement suit against God for creating a fruit based off their logo.

soomuch said:
BREAKING NEWS: Apple Computer, Inc. has filed a copyright infingement suit against God for creating a fruit based off their logo.
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nice.
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clninja said:
Another one of the many reasons why I refuse to buy any apple products.
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Chileno4Live said:
I think about it the same way!
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Bah you guys must be new to the Anti Apple party .......... i've had a complete unilateral ban on all Apple products (except quicktime...*sigh*) since about 1990 !!!
What i find most perverse and ironic about Apple is that they ARE the Stalinist, monolithic, all seeing, all controlling, big brother, facelessly corporate, tech company the much famed old Apple advertisement painted every other tech company to be. And whats more they always where. Developing nation sweat shop worker conditions is only the tip of the iceberg where Apple are concerned ....... you can be sure Bono will never do another Apple advert ... lol.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HhsWzJo2sN4
If you've never seen it.

Its official - court rules that Motorolas patents cannot be used against Apple

http://fosspatents.blogspot.com/2012/02/motorola-cant-enforce-standard.html
German courts have made a ruling that means if Motorola tries to use its most important patents against Apple in a court case the company will be in violation of European Anti trust law.
As the article says:
"Apple scored a breakthrough court victory today against Motorola. Its important can hardly be overstated. This is so huge that it even begs the question of whether Google's strategy for its $12.5 billion purchase of Motorola Mobility has failed before the deal is even formally closed (they're still waiting for some regulatory approvals)."
It would be nice to see Apple bought down a peg or two but the way things are going its likely to be Google-Motorola (and therefore also Android) that is on the losing side.
After all Motorola cannot use its genuinely essential patents in court now and yet Apple can still use dumb ones like voice search, touch screen, text completion etcetera that although every decent phone nowadays has these features Apple own the patents to and have been able to use in court cases so it seems Apple now have the upper hand.
Dave

Why, yes, Apple, you can patent intuitive actions on your devices all you please; and don't worry about those pesky other companies patenting worthwhile operating features, we'll make them play ball with you. Hahaha, let's go smoke this cigar together and laugh at all the little people.

this is getting hilarious...they all should concentrate on developing new devices instead of sueing each other. I hate Apple for all these lawsuits...

Firetribe said:
this is getting hilarious...they all should concentrate on developing new devices instead of sueing each other. I hate Apple for all these lawsuits...
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They can't develop new devices without violating apples patents anymore. When the new phones with android get released after mwc you'll see more lawsuits against those models too.
Apple will win because they have patents that are not subject to frand so don't have to let people use them.
Odd thing is that apples licence offer to motorola, which stopped the injunction on iphones in Germany, is still less than motorola asked for yet judges order them to not sue apple as a result.
Dave
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Yeo, I know it was Apple who started it all... I just feel sorry for the time wasted in court, only to slow down the other side, time and money which could be used much better.
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Firetribe said:
Yeo, I know it was Apple who started it all... I just feel sorry for the time wasted in court, only to slow down the other side, time and money which could be used much better.
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Things got worse for motorola today as apple won court case over the android gallery and they have to change it or all their products running android get banned and recalled.
Dave
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First of all you have to consider the source of this information to be able to evaluate the spin on this. Florian Mueller is a anti Google/Android pro MS mouthpiece who tends to be clueless.
This is a lifting of the preliminary injunction. The case itself is still pending, but It'll likely to take quite a while to finish up. Granted this isn't good news for Motorola, but it's NOT the end of the road.
Check out Groklaw for a different slant on this and other issues (eg Oracle/Google)

jcmm11 said:
First of all you have to consider the source of this information to be able to evaluate the spin on this. Florian Mueller is a anti Google/Android pro MS mouthpiece who tends to be clueless.
This is a lifting of the preliminary injunction. The case itself is still pending, but It'll likely to take quite a while to finish up. Granted this isn't good news for Motorola, but it's NOT the end of the road.
Check out Groklaw for a different slant on this and other issues (eg Oracle/Google)
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Actually he uses android devices as he has a Samsung that was affected by the german court case against them last year and he is actually very knowledgeable.
I follow his work and have not noticed any pro apple bias but the things he states are facts, motorolas cannot sue apple using their patents for the duration of the appeal which is between one to two years so how would any bias change the facts?
Dave
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He said "pro MS" and not "pro apple"
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Actually he uses android devices as he has a Samsung that was affected by the german court case against them last year and he is actually very knowledgeable.
I follow his work and have not noticed any pro apple bias but the things he states are facts, motorolas cannot sue apple using their patents for the duration of the appeal which is between one to two years so how would any bias change the facts?
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atljatl said:
He said "pro MS" and not "pro apple"
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He said anti android as well which if the guy uses android as he does is unlikely.
Dave
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Sucks for Motorola. I really had hope this would be a big battle for the long lasting.

starable said:
Sucks for Motorola. I really had hope this would be a big battle for the long lasting.
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I thought that steve jobs was gone, apple would stop these law suits but it seems to be differing
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The patent trolling will never end.

Patent fraud is some really easy money, especially when you've got easy victories guaranteed, like Apple does.

Firetribe said:
Yeo, I know it was Apple who started it all...
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Motorola sued apple first, which started the ball rolling..

Tone_ said:
Motorola sued apple first, which started the ball rolling..
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Motorola sued after apple didn't pay licencing fees in 2010, something apple still won't pay. Bit different to apple suing because phones can auto complete text for example.
Motorola sued for a good reason but apple do so to stifle competition.
Dave
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So ridiculous.
European courts seem to be all over Apple's side.

mistermentality said:
Motorola sued after apple didn't pay licencing fees in 2010, something apple still won't pay. Bit different to apple suing because phones can auto complete text for example.
Motorola sued for a good reason but apple do so to stifle competition.
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saw this and i thought i would say that apple originally started all of this by suing google and HTC first
they r trying to hold back developemnet becuz thats all apple has done is steal and try and stop competition
in the long run apple will fall
and ppl only buy apple products cuz they br pretty i buy google products for quality and interfacing
all in all apple products r made for the stupid and wealthy while android/windows r made for ppl that want to improve thru the reason y google is open source

Long live open source!
Apple are thieves.
Buy an Apple product and you support your own demise.
Wake up people!
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Do your own research and decide. His name is mud on Slashdot and Groklaw. Here's one article. found at m.paidcontent.org/article/419-is-patent-expertblogger-florian-mueller-getting-too-cozy-with-microsoft/
Partial quote:
The problem lies not with Mueller’s analysis—but with his impartiality. The engineer is right when he says that Mueller has the knives out for Google. Even a casual reader of the FOSS blog can easily discern that Mueller is quick to amplify any legal setback for Google’s Android or its affiliates. His tone can be crowing and haughty—see the tendentious “Google scores an Own Goal” post about Motorola (NYSE: MMI)—and for all the world echoes Microsoft’s own “they’re getting what they deserve” attitude to Google.
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Anyone noticed an increase in Apple fanboy articles bashing Android since yesterday?

Definitely a lot more than usual, they must be panicking

I see a lot more android fanboy posts bashing apple. Must be the panicking.

monkeyluis said:
I see a lot more android fanboy posts bashing apple. Must be the panicking.
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That's probably due to the high profile court cases this week where some androids were banned for violating patents such as being able to act on a phone number you've been sent in a message (data tapping) and having a unified search feature (siri patent).
People rightly get annoyed when a big company patents things that were in use before the patent and then uses them to stifle the competition.
Dave
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Well lately its been sad news in the Android world because Flash Player is no longer supported on 4.1 and Gnex was banned.

And yet both side can't change anything.. let's grab some popcorn
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^+1

Its those kind of Apple Fanboys that gives good and kind iPeople a bad name.

Let them KEEP BARKING LIKE STRAY DOGS. They are afraid that their iOS is loosing to the New Generation of Android phones, so inorder to stay in top they are trying to make android's position low.
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ifanboy raging ? :highfive:

mistermentality said:
That's probably due to the high profile court cases this week where some androids were banned for violating patents such as being able to act on a phone number you've been sent in a message (data tapping) and having a unified search feature (siri patent).
People rightly get annoyed when a big company patents things that were in use before the patent and then uses them to stifle the competition.
Dave
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Yes
http://www.theverge.com/2012/6/30/3...estigating-google-over-motorolas-use-of-frand.
Wouldn't want anyone to hold technology back. Grrr, argh.

monkeyluis said:
Yes
http://www.theverge.com/2012/6/30/3...estigating-google-over-motorolas-use-of-frand.
Wouldn't want anyone to hold technology back. Grrr, argh.
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Pretty sure apple patenting anothers ideas then suing over people using them is just a little worse, and does more to hold tech back, than motorola who are owned by google allegedly charging a high price for patent rights.
One copies existing ideas and then stops rivals using them while not allowing them to licence the rights, the other own patents vital to tech products and lets anyone use them but possibly overcharges.
Pretty big difference between them.
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Seriously can you stop spamming so many threads?
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monkeyluis said:
Yes
http://www.theverge.com/2012/6/30/3...estigating-google-over-motorolas-use-of-frand.
Wouldn't want anyone to hold technology back. Grrr, argh.
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The thing about Apple getting in hot water over frand is that they didn't pay the frand rate at all.
Motorola objected as it should be paid.
Now Apple have entered into a frand agreement, however they want to have their cake and eat it by not paying for the time they were illegally using the patents.
As they hadn't entered into a frand agreement with Motorola back then, Motorola is not obliged to charge a frand rate and so want to charge a compensatory rate that punishes Apple for breaking the ethics of frand. This upsets Apple and the protectionist US authorities.
Had Apple played by the rules in the first place they'd not be in this mess but they wanted to rip off Motorola so must pay the price.

This is xda not androidCentral or imore. Keep the fan crap out!

It is time a new OS to pop out and steal everything the others got lol
We will have the perfect smartphone and they can spend all their money in court muahahaha

smile_ppl said:
Well lately its been sad news in the Android world because Flash Player is no longer supported on 4.1 and Gnex was banned.
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There not supporting flags player!? :O
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Yeah I have too, it's quite funny to read through, honestly.

Just proves how "evil" Apple is. A company that plays dirty tricks to stifle the competition is highly unattractive towards me.
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I bet the American court system won't have the balls to ban sales of the Xbox 360 due to the courtroom loss of Microsoft to Motorola since Microsoft is an American company.

Looks like there already is a new os make by mozila, with a android kernel and a "mordern" UI~

Android VS Apple

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I agree, looking through some Apple Mac Forums and such, I discovered that yes, while there are still the die-hard Apple fans, the majority of them are quite mature with each other. Not so much the case here...There are some that do still provide valuable information yes, and there are some peaceful, mature debates, but there's always that one or two posts saying "I love Android", or "Screw Apple, Android FTW!" etc.
Let's remember guys: This thread was created for the community to come together and peacefully discuss and share their opinions on this matter.There's nothing wrong with being a fan boy, but if you're just going to waste a post saying stuff like this...then don't post it...use that post for something/somewhere else.
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So what do you guys think? Thoughts? Comments?
-Saranhai

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http://rootzwiki.com/news/_/articles/apples-latest-patents-could-spell-doom-for-android-r977
R.I.P Android, you were a great OS, i'm sorry you were destroyed by such a selfish company.
So what do you guys think? Thoughts? Comments?
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def not R.I.P
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Who the **** gave apple those patents?
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How many judges got new cars bought by Apple aftee granting these patents?
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What the ****s going on?? What are these judges smoking man??????????
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saranhai said:
http://rootzwiki.com/news/_/articles/apples-latest-patents-could-spell-doom-for-android-r977
R.I.P Android, you were a great OS, i'm sorry you were destroyed by such a selfish company.
So what do you guys think? Thoughts? Comments?
-Saranhai
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I am focken astonished that Apple has gone this far in ther bullcrap. Doesn't anybody remember Windows Pocket Pc or Windows mobile 2003??? It came out in 2002! When steve jobs was pulling purple and pink imacs out of his ass!
Apple didn't invent smartphones or touchscreens you stupid judges!
I'd rather buy a blackberry or a windows phone, if this is android's end. Never an apple.
One Apple a day?? Eff you lol
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If they still win we will be illegal for using android phones )?
I WILL HAVE TO DESTRUCT MY ANDROID PHONE
WILL THEY FORCE GOOGLE TO DO A BRICK UPDATE
GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR...
APPLE SUCKS AND ALWAYS WILL I WILL NEVER BUY I**** EVEN IF THEY ARE THE BEST
I GUESS BLACKBERRY FOR THE WIN

Can't happen!

In near future Apple will patent Android... :screwy:
This is just ridiculous.
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DiHydrogen Monoxide

saranhai said:
http://rootzwiki.com/news/_/articles/apples-latest-patents-could-spell-doom-for-android-r977
R.I.P Android, you were a great OS, i'm sorry you were destroyed by such a selfish company.
So what do you guys think? Thoughts? Comments?
-Saranhai
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Worst case scenario is that usa would have to have a heavily neutered version of the os.
There is prior art that predates the patent application by a year so that could be useful in a court case.
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Will not stop Android, these patents are all completely ridiculous. I also don't understand how they could possibly be granted retrospectively like that. The fact that they apparently have is quite an indictment of the US (?) patent system, in my opinion (dunno if "indictment" is the right word, but it seems right to me).

The sad part is the judges don't know crap. Apple ass hones
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SifJar said:
Will not stop Android, these patents are all completely ridiculous. I also don't understand how they could possibly be granted retrospectively like that. The fact that they apparently have is quite an indictment of the US (?) patent system, in my opinion (dunno if "indictment" is the right word, but it seems right to me).
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They are ridiculous but legal.
Believe it or not the patent even covers widgets, if you read the whole patent it's about half way down. And it covers email, scrolling through lists, stuff people did long before apples patent.
But by specifying a multi touch portable device in their description this patent applies to literally any mobile device and if they were able to find a sympathetic judge such as Judge Koh they could cause problems for victims, I mean people stealing their ideas (oops), of their choosing.
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I think its funny how apple just copy android and they get the credit
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gates was first with tablet pc 10 years ago anyway so whats the prob here?

The great thing about open source is that THEY CANNOT STOP USSSSSSS!!!!!!
If they could then all these proprietary binaries, blobs, apps, frameworks, radios etc etc would have killed the hacking community.
Instead, we fart in their general direction!
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2blackbar said:
gates was first with tablet pc 10 years ago anyway so whats the prob here?
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I'm sorry but most features aren't owned by apple, lots of these existed on windows mobile so apple is basically trying to defend technology that was never theirs to defend. bring Microsoft and it's game over for apple

mistermentality said:
They are ridiculous but legal.
Believe it or not the patent even covers widgets, if you read the whole patent it's about half way down. And it covers email, scrolling through lists, stuff people did long before apples patent.
But by specifying a multi touch portable device in their description this patent applies to literally any mobile device and if they were able to find a sympathetic judge such as Judge Koh they could cause problems for victims, I mean people stealing their ideas (oops), of their choosing.
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Actually the ITC blocking the import of Android devices illegal. They technically do not have the authority to do so. Apple applies to all of these patents under FRAND. So, when they sue, they aren't giving anyone a chance to license the patent. Senators (as of last week) have decided to step in to fix the broken tech patent system, so I don't think this is the end of anything. If Google just throws in the towel and gives up, Apple will clearly have a monopoly (wp7, wp8, RIM have hardly any market share) and then they are screwed as well.

Freedom it is This stupid war will never end.
It kinda reminds me of some old movies, where big Firms own everything.....even the whole Country.......CHEERS .......