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Apple sue Motorola so they can't sue Apple ever again

http://fosspatents.blogspot.com/2012/02/apples-us-antisuit-lawsuit-against.html
You couldn't make this up, Apple are suing Motorola in the US so that, if successful, Motorola can never again take them to court (ever) for the patent infringements Apple specify. Not only that but if, as is expected, Apple win then courts in other countries are expected to also come down on Apples side in their countries Motorola cases.
As the article states:
"this is a very serious issue, and it could have major impact. Beyond presenting a good chance that Motorola will in the not too distant future be effectively precluded from enforcing its baseband patents against the iPhone 4S (and Apple products to be released in the near term), this could further increase the likelihood of serious antitrust trouble for Google-MMI in Europe and, in a worst-case scenario, it could reflect very unfavorably on Google-MMI's credibility in certain important circles."
The article then explains how Motorola, and Google (yes both companies), would also be liable to pay Apple damages for breach of contract and unfair licensing issues.
Seriously, how can you sue your competition so they can't sue you? I think that's just nuts.

The patent system is so broken and just needs a major overhaul. It's so disgusting how Apple is abusing this and the legal system. And taking someone's ability to sue and defend themselves is just insane!

It really frustrates me to see Apple do this I mean come on seriously, I wouldn't be surprised if apple wins this too since they seem to win most of there legal battle some how.

I think the biggest problem is these companies know that judges have no real clue when it comes to technology and they are using it to their advantage. Truth is I don't see them winning their no sue side of it. The truth here is that Apple is scared because Google is planning to sue them with the patents Motorola has and this is just a preemptive legal strike... but I don't see it working.
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The government needs to slap Apple with so many fines.
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What make laugh in all this is apple didn't even invent slide to unlock yet they are allowed to sue others for using ,yet the blatantly rip off pull down notifications and nothing happens,would not suprise me if they tried to patent pull down notifications
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combat goofwing said:
What make laugh in all this is apple didn't even invent slide to unlock yet they are allowed to sue others for using ,yet the blatantly rip off pull down notifications and nothing happens,would not suprise me if they tried to patent pull down notifications
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Funny you should mention that as they patented push notifications already.
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I Am Marino said:
The government needs to slap Apple with so many fines.
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They can't, technically Apple owns USA, they have more money than the entire USA treasury
Apple can buy out the entire USA debt and it will technically own USA

AllGamer said:
They can't, technically Apple owns USA, they have more money than the entire USA treasury
Apple can buy out the entire USA debt and it will technically own USA
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Apple has around $100 billion ...American debt is in the Trillions....in one month America spends around that much on the military/wars ...wtf are you talking about?
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I Am Marino said:
The government needs to slap Apple with so many fines.
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The government would have to slap themselves first...its the system thats complete crap and broken.

Lol...Apple could maybe buy Greece instead.
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Lol...Apple could maybe buy Greece instead.
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If apple buys out Greece they can then sue even more.
Why are Microsoft Getting away from all of this
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As much as I dislike Apple, they seem to have better lawyers. You would think Google has better coonections with all that money they throwing at lobbyist. Have them lobby to redo the damn patent system.
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Its official - court rules that Motorolas patents cannot be used against Apple

http://fosspatents.blogspot.com/2012/02/motorola-cant-enforce-standard.html
German courts have made a ruling that means if Motorola tries to use its most important patents against Apple in a court case the company will be in violation of European Anti trust law.
As the article says:
"Apple scored a breakthrough court victory today against Motorola. Its important can hardly be overstated. This is so huge that it even begs the question of whether Google's strategy for its $12.5 billion purchase of Motorola Mobility has failed before the deal is even formally closed (they're still waiting for some regulatory approvals)."
It would be nice to see Apple bought down a peg or two but the way things are going its likely to be Google-Motorola (and therefore also Android) that is on the losing side.
After all Motorola cannot use its genuinely essential patents in court now and yet Apple can still use dumb ones like voice search, touch screen, text completion etcetera that although every decent phone nowadays has these features Apple own the patents to and have been able to use in court cases so it seems Apple now have the upper hand.
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Why, yes, Apple, you can patent intuitive actions on your devices all you please; and don't worry about those pesky other companies patenting worthwhile operating features, we'll make them play ball with you. Hahaha, let's go smoke this cigar together and laugh at all the little people.

this is getting hilarious...they all should concentrate on developing new devices instead of sueing each other. I hate Apple for all these lawsuits...

Firetribe said:
this is getting hilarious...they all should concentrate on developing new devices instead of sueing each other. I hate Apple for all these lawsuits...
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They can't develop new devices without violating apples patents anymore. When the new phones with android get released after mwc you'll see more lawsuits against those models too.
Apple will win because they have patents that are not subject to frand so don't have to let people use them.
Odd thing is that apples licence offer to motorola, which stopped the injunction on iphones in Germany, is still less than motorola asked for yet judges order them to not sue apple as a result.
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Yeo, I know it was Apple who started it all... I just feel sorry for the time wasted in court, only to slow down the other side, time and money which could be used much better.
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Firetribe said:
Yeo, I know it was Apple who started it all... I just feel sorry for the time wasted in court, only to slow down the other side, time and money which could be used much better.
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Things got worse for motorola today as apple won court case over the android gallery and they have to change it or all their products running android get banned and recalled.
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First of all you have to consider the source of this information to be able to evaluate the spin on this. Florian Mueller is a anti Google/Android pro MS mouthpiece who tends to be clueless.
This is a lifting of the preliminary injunction. The case itself is still pending, but It'll likely to take quite a while to finish up. Granted this isn't good news for Motorola, but it's NOT the end of the road.
Check out Groklaw for a different slant on this and other issues (eg Oracle/Google)

jcmm11 said:
First of all you have to consider the source of this information to be able to evaluate the spin on this. Florian Mueller is a anti Google/Android pro MS mouthpiece who tends to be clueless.
This is a lifting of the preliminary injunction. The case itself is still pending, but It'll likely to take quite a while to finish up. Granted this isn't good news for Motorola, but it's NOT the end of the road.
Check out Groklaw for a different slant on this and other issues (eg Oracle/Google)
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Actually he uses android devices as he has a Samsung that was affected by the german court case against them last year and he is actually very knowledgeable.
I follow his work and have not noticed any pro apple bias but the things he states are facts, motorolas cannot sue apple using their patents for the duration of the appeal which is between one to two years so how would any bias change the facts?
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He said "pro MS" and not "pro apple"
mistermentality said:
Actually he uses android devices as he has a Samsung that was affected by the german court case against them last year and he is actually very knowledgeable.
I follow his work and have not noticed any pro apple bias but the things he states are facts, motorolas cannot sue apple using their patents for the duration of the appeal which is between one to two years so how would any bias change the facts?
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atljatl said:
He said "pro MS" and not "pro apple"
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He said anti android as well which if the guy uses android as he does is unlikely.
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Sucks for Motorola. I really had hope this would be a big battle for the long lasting.

starable said:
Sucks for Motorola. I really had hope this would be a big battle for the long lasting.
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I thought that steve jobs was gone, apple would stop these law suits but it seems to be differing
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The patent trolling will never end.

Patent fraud is some really easy money, especially when you've got easy victories guaranteed, like Apple does.

Firetribe said:
Yeo, I know it was Apple who started it all...
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Motorola sued apple first, which started the ball rolling..

Tone_ said:
Motorola sued apple first, which started the ball rolling..
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Motorola sued after apple didn't pay licencing fees in 2010, something apple still won't pay. Bit different to apple suing because phones can auto complete text for example.
Motorola sued for a good reason but apple do so to stifle competition.
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So ridiculous.
European courts seem to be all over Apple's side.

mistermentality said:
Motorola sued after apple didn't pay licencing fees in 2010, something apple still won't pay. Bit different to apple suing because phones can auto complete text for example.
Motorola sued for a good reason but apple do so to stifle competition.
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saw this and i thought i would say that apple originally started all of this by suing google and HTC first
they r trying to hold back developemnet becuz thats all apple has done is steal and try and stop competition
in the long run apple will fall
and ppl only buy apple products cuz they br pretty i buy google products for quality and interfacing
all in all apple products r made for the stupid and wealthy while android/windows r made for ppl that want to improve thru the reason y google is open source

Long live open source!
Apple are thieves.
Buy an Apple product and you support your own demise.
Wake up people!
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Do your own research and decide. His name is mud on Slashdot and Groklaw. Here's one article. found at m.paidcontent.org/article/419-is-patent-expertblogger-florian-mueller-getting-too-cozy-with-microsoft/
Partial quote:
The problem lies not with Mueller’s analysis—but with his impartiality. The engineer is right when he says that Mueller has the knives out for Google. Even a casual reader of the FOSS blog can easily discern that Mueller is quick to amplify any legal setback for Google’s Android or its affiliates. His tone can be crowing and haughty—see the tendentious “Google scores an Own Goal” post about Motorola (NYSE: MMI)—and for all the world echoes Microsoft’s own “they’re getting what they deserve” attitude to Google.
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Apple actually failed this time

They tried to get an emergency ban on HTC products, but were denied.
It seems as if Apple is getting scared now.
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the comments are hilarious lmao

jianC said:
the comments are hilarious lmao
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Haha they are. Don't get me wrong, I like all manufacturers, including Apple. When you try to stoop that low to remove other devices off the market just because you can, that's just wrong and disgusting.
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They've also lost in the UK
(may have been posted elsewhere, I couldn't find it though)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-18709232
The four patents at stake were:
1. Unlocking a device by performing a gesture on an image.
2. The use of a multilingual keyboard offering different alphabets on portable devices, including mobile phones.
3. A system to determine which elements of a screen were activated by single-finger touches; which were activated multi-finger touches and which ignored touches altogether.
4. Letting a user drag an image beyond its limits and then showing it bounce back into place to illustrate that they had reached its furthest edge.
The judge ruled that the first three patents were invalid in this case, while the fourth did not apply to HTC's devices.
Lawyers fighting other lawsuits against Apple are likely to pay close attention to the decision regarding its slide-to-unlock patent.
The judge said that HTC's "arc unlock" feature - which also involves a predefined gesture along a path shown on-screen - would have infringed Apple's technology had it not been for a device released in 2004.
The Neonode N1 showed a padlock on its screen with the words "right sweep to unlock" when it was in its protected mode. A later version replaced the text with an arrow.
The judge said it would have been an "obvious" improvement for the developers to have offered users visual feedback in the form of a "slider" in the way that Apple later used.
He added that the concept of a "slider" was not new since it had already appeared in Microsoft's CE system.
As a result Apple's claim to the innovation was rejected.
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I know there's at least one intelligent judge in California and one in D.C., but it seems like the rest are all in other countries. Sad that American judges are so clearly biased by the corporate atmosphere of this country. Sadder still that I'm having to talk about all this nonsense on the 4th of July.

MissionImprobable said:
I know there's at least one intelligent judge in California and one in D.C., but it seems like the rest are all in other countries. Sad that American judges are so clearly biased by the corporate atmosphere of this country. Sadder still that I'm having to talk about all this nonsense on the 4th of July.
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Agreed.
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KayxGee1 said:
They tried to get an emergency ban on HTC products, but were denied.
It seems as if Apple is getting scared now.
Check it out
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they are even the one x will probaly beat the frigging daylights out of the i crap 5

paintball23456 said:
they are even the one x will probaly beat the frigging daylights out of the i crap 5
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I wouldn't call it icrap. They are pretty good phones really. Just the company behind them has become "evil".

I will pay 10$ to anyone who will blow an Apple store with a RPG.
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DD-Ripper said:
I will pay 10$ to anyone who will blow an Apple store with a RPG.
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I know you are probably kidding, but common...

snappjay said:
I know you are probably kidding, but common...
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No. Im serious. But nobody would do that for only 10$
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DD-Ripper said:
I will pay 10$ to anyone who will blow an Apple store with a RPG.
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lol i havent got an rpg so can i borrow yours
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DD-Ripper said:
I will pay 10$ to anyone who will blow an Apple store with a RPG.
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$1000 NOOOOO THE APPLE HQ

Couldn't agree more with the majority of the comments. It seems Apple really are getting too big for their boots, and trying to throw their substantial weight around. Pleased to see someone stand up to them and put them in their place, for once.

Can't wait to see Apple patent the air we breathe... and name it iAir which syncs with iCloud and iRain....

TotalManiac said:
Can't wait to see Apple patent the air we breathe... and name it iAir which syncs with iCloud and iRain....
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I know your joking but given that an american company patented dna nothing would surprise me
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DD-Ripper said:
No. Im serious. But nobody would do that for only 10$
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Maybe we could get this guy to do it for free
http://news.cnet.com/8301-17852_3-57465015-71/man-destroys-t-mobile-store-in-a-fit-of-anger/

i think something wroing is going with apple , they are almost against all phones... and i just hate it .

Apples iPhone craze is just a phase. It'll soon be in the closet with our pet rocks and the members only jacket, and the furby( not nearly enough of this met the end to a gun.. who would make such an annoying toy)
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So...is Apple going to ever stop suing?

Wth is wrong with apple? I feel like they are literally trying to stop the sale of Android phones with their stupid patents...do you guys think they will win the whole Galaxy Nexus case?

CC268 said:
Wth is wrong with apple? I feel like they are literally trying to stop the sale of Android phones with their stupid patents...do you guys think they will win the whole Galaxy Nexus case?
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They have won already. Google announced they are altering android to ensure it satisfies apples lawyers.
One thing being changed is searching. Voice search will no longer return local results because apples patent means only siri is allowed to offer local knowledge.
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mistermentality said:
They have won already. Google announced they are altering android to ensure it satisfies apples lawyers.
One thing being changed is searching. Voice search will no longer return local results because apples patent means only siri is allowed to offer local knowledge.
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Dam...apple will probably monopolize this business anyways...there going to make android much less desirable

What the f*** ?
apple:thumbdown:

Can't innovate, litigate
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mistermentality said:
They have won already. Google announced they are altering android to ensure it satisfies apples lawyers.
One thing being changed is searching. Voice search will no longer return local results because apples patent means only siri is allowed to offer local knowledge.
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They won against samsung but lost against htc so there is nothing to worry
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I feel like if the patent system doesn't make serious changes on the Software side this is going to set a precedent for further "patent-trolls".

The only thing apple is good at is suing.

shahkam said:
They won against samsung but lost against htc so there is nothing to worry
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Its the nexus win that has forced google to change android so the htc case is not a factor now that google are changing the os apple have their first android change rather than manufacturer specific as htc win was when apple won an injunction before.
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I hope apple doesn't ruin android :crying:

The patent is a joke, like most.
I suggest Apple becomes the mascot for US Corporate Fascism.
Guess using your voice or any other human bodily input methods shall be patented next... Perhaps Apple travelled back in time and altered everyone's DNA? (Yes the iPhone 12 does time travel) They might have a case to settle with everyone then! We shall have to follow the Apple iBible in life then.
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Apple is sh*t seriously they gonna patent the **** out of every little thing they make part of ios ? Such as fonts ? I wouldn't be surprised at all
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Ha ha
http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-18709232
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Soon apple will monopolize phones and laptops and take over the world and our souls and patent them!

Apple is garbage, and that judge is an Apple fanatic
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angramenyu said:
Apple is garbage, and that judge is an Apple fanatic
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He/she obviously an apple fanboy lol i bet she does own one of those I**** that's why he/she went against google but hey despite that android gonna take the lead no doubt
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While I think it's stupid, it's not the judges fault. Their job is to make the decision based on whether the patent was infringed or not, even if they think the patent was stupid (haven't heard from the judge so I can't say what their personal beliefs on the matter are) if it was infringed they have to rule in favor of Apple if they believe there to be infringement.

I do not know why everyone is riding the judge for her decision. It is her job to interpret the law and use other cases as guidelines. Apple is winning in the US, but mostly losing in the UK.
But, yes, Apple is losing marketshare to Android. The more mature thumb optimized touchscreen smartphones become, the more options OEMs must give consumers. That Apple one phone a year model will cease to work magic and they will find themselves in a position they do not want to be in - no more of that high margin, one device fits all once a year, planned obsolecense all wrapped around a marketing hype machine.

Well when your backs up against the wall, thats the time to become creative.
Apple is only taking a little chip with the voice search on ics but google will fix it for now until they get that idea (like pull down notifications, Genius!!) and make apple and its customers jealous. Steve Jobs (rest in peace, great man) is gone and apple is stuck re releasing the same crap just fixed up. Ex. The New Ipad, better screen, faster. and Iphone 4s, faster, with some dumb virtual assistant. Only people like Samuel L Jackson use Siri like the commercial shows but all of us get bored within hours. Apple is staring at a blank page and the essay is due tomorrow. There really isn't any must have, new technology(like front facing camera or dual core processors, and 3d screen) out right now that would get people buying them instead of android. Android stepped up, with play and jellybean and there is going to be much more to come. The Gnex will be back in a week, badder and better than ever.
If i was Google Ceo and some kid like Apple wants a fight, I get Jellybean on every new device and most popular old ones, then pull youtube off iphones. but then again im not the Ceo.

f*** apple.... seriously, just f*** apple....
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Android VS Apple

saranhai said:
I agree, looking through some Apple Mac Forums and such, I discovered that yes, while there are still the die-hard Apple fans, the majority of them are quite mature with each other. Not so much the case here...There are some that do still provide valuable information yes, and there are some peaceful, mature debates, but there's always that one or two posts saying "I love Android", or "Screw Apple, Android FTW!" etc.
Let's remember guys: This thread was created for the community to come together and peacefully discuss and share their opinions on this matter.There's nothing wrong with being a fan boy, but if you're just going to waste a post saying stuff like this...then don't post it...use that post for something/somewhere else.
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So what do you guys think? Thoughts? Comments?
-Saranhai

saranhai said:
http://rootzwiki.com/news/_/articles/apples-latest-patents-could-spell-doom-for-android-r977
R.I.P Android, you were a great OS, i'm sorry you were destroyed by such a selfish company.
So what do you guys think? Thoughts? Comments?
-Saranhai
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def not R.I.P
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Who the **** gave apple those patents?
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How many judges got new cars bought by Apple aftee granting these patents?
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What the ****s going on?? What are these judges smoking man??????????
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saranhai said:
http://rootzwiki.com/news/_/articles/apples-latest-patents-could-spell-doom-for-android-r977
R.I.P Android, you were a great OS, i'm sorry you were destroyed by such a selfish company.
So what do you guys think? Thoughts? Comments?
-Saranhai
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I am focken astonished that Apple has gone this far in ther bullcrap. Doesn't anybody remember Windows Pocket Pc or Windows mobile 2003??? It came out in 2002! When steve jobs was pulling purple and pink imacs out of his ass!
Apple didn't invent smartphones or touchscreens you stupid judges!
I'd rather buy a blackberry or a windows phone, if this is android's end. Never an apple.
One Apple a day?? Eff you lol
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If they still win we will be illegal for using android phones )?
I WILL HAVE TO DESTRUCT MY ANDROID PHONE
WILL THEY FORCE GOOGLE TO DO A BRICK UPDATE
GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR...
APPLE SUCKS AND ALWAYS WILL I WILL NEVER BUY I**** EVEN IF THEY ARE THE BEST
I GUESS BLACKBERRY FOR THE WIN

Can't happen!

In near future Apple will patent Android... :screwy:
This is just ridiculous.
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DiHydrogen Monoxide

saranhai said:
http://rootzwiki.com/news/_/articles/apples-latest-patents-could-spell-doom-for-android-r977
R.I.P Android, you were a great OS, i'm sorry you were destroyed by such a selfish company.
So what do you guys think? Thoughts? Comments?
-Saranhai
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Worst case scenario is that usa would have to have a heavily neutered version of the os.
There is prior art that predates the patent application by a year so that could be useful in a court case.
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Will not stop Android, these patents are all completely ridiculous. I also don't understand how they could possibly be granted retrospectively like that. The fact that they apparently have is quite an indictment of the US (?) patent system, in my opinion (dunno if "indictment" is the right word, but it seems right to me).

The sad part is the judges don't know crap. Apple ass hones
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SifJar said:
Will not stop Android, these patents are all completely ridiculous. I also don't understand how they could possibly be granted retrospectively like that. The fact that they apparently have is quite an indictment of the US (?) patent system, in my opinion (dunno if "indictment" is the right word, but it seems right to me).
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They are ridiculous but legal.
Believe it or not the patent even covers widgets, if you read the whole patent it's about half way down. And it covers email, scrolling through lists, stuff people did long before apples patent.
But by specifying a multi touch portable device in their description this patent applies to literally any mobile device and if they were able to find a sympathetic judge such as Judge Koh they could cause problems for victims, I mean people stealing their ideas (oops), of their choosing.
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I think its funny how apple just copy android and they get the credit
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gates was first with tablet pc 10 years ago anyway so whats the prob here?

The great thing about open source is that THEY CANNOT STOP USSSSSSS!!!!!!
If they could then all these proprietary binaries, blobs, apps, frameworks, radios etc etc would have killed the hacking community.
Instead, we fart in their general direction!
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2blackbar said:
gates was first with tablet pc 10 years ago anyway so whats the prob here?
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I'm sorry but most features aren't owned by apple, lots of these existed on windows mobile so apple is basically trying to defend technology that was never theirs to defend. bring Microsoft and it's game over for apple

mistermentality said:
They are ridiculous but legal.
Believe it or not the patent even covers widgets, if you read the whole patent it's about half way down. And it covers email, scrolling through lists, stuff people did long before apples patent.
But by specifying a multi touch portable device in their description this patent applies to literally any mobile device and if they were able to find a sympathetic judge such as Judge Koh they could cause problems for victims, I mean people stealing their ideas (oops), of their choosing.
Dave
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Actually the ITC blocking the import of Android devices illegal. They technically do not have the authority to do so. Apple applies to all of these patents under FRAND. So, when they sue, they aren't giving anyone a chance to license the patent. Senators (as of last week) have decided to step in to fix the broken tech patent system, so I don't think this is the end of anything. If Google just throws in the towel and gives up, Apple will clearly have a monopoly (wp7, wp8, RIM have hardly any market share) and then they are screwed as well.

Freedom it is This stupid war will never end.
It kinda reminds me of some old movies, where big Firms own everything.....even the whole Country.......CHEERS .......