http://fosspatents.blogspot.com/2012/02/motorola-cant-enforce-standard.html
German courts have made a ruling that means if Motorola tries to use its most important patents against Apple in a court case the company will be in violation of European Anti trust law.
As the article says:
"Apple scored a breakthrough court victory today against Motorola. Its important can hardly be overstated. This is so huge that it even begs the question of whether Google's strategy for its $12.5 billion purchase of Motorola Mobility has failed before the deal is even formally closed (they're still waiting for some regulatory approvals)."
It would be nice to see Apple bought down a peg or two but the way things are going its likely to be Google-Motorola (and therefore also Android) that is on the losing side.
After all Motorola cannot use its genuinely essential patents in court now and yet Apple can still use dumb ones like voice search, touch screen, text completion etcetera that although every decent phone nowadays has these features Apple own the patents to and have been able to use in court cases so it seems Apple now have the upper hand.
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Why, yes, Apple, you can patent intuitive actions on your devices all you please; and don't worry about those pesky other companies patenting worthwhile operating features, we'll make them play ball with you. Hahaha, let's go smoke this cigar together and laugh at all the little people.
this is getting hilarious...they all should concentrate on developing new devices instead of sueing each other. I hate Apple for all these lawsuits...
Firetribe said:
this is getting hilarious...they all should concentrate on developing new devices instead of sueing each other. I hate Apple for all these lawsuits...
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They can't develop new devices without violating apples patents anymore. When the new phones with android get released after mwc you'll see more lawsuits against those models too.
Apple will win because they have patents that are not subject to frand so don't have to let people use them.
Odd thing is that apples licence offer to motorola, which stopped the injunction on iphones in Germany, is still less than motorola asked for yet judges order them to not sue apple as a result.
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Yeo, I know it was Apple who started it all... I just feel sorry for the time wasted in court, only to slow down the other side, time and money which could be used much better.
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Firetribe said:
Yeo, I know it was Apple who started it all... I just feel sorry for the time wasted in court, only to slow down the other side, time and money which could be used much better.
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Things got worse for motorola today as apple won court case over the android gallery and they have to change it or all their products running android get banned and recalled.
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First of all you have to consider the source of this information to be able to evaluate the spin on this. Florian Mueller is a anti Google/Android pro MS mouthpiece who tends to be clueless.
This is a lifting of the preliminary injunction. The case itself is still pending, but It'll likely to take quite a while to finish up. Granted this isn't good news for Motorola, but it's NOT the end of the road.
Check out Groklaw for a different slant on this and other issues (eg Oracle/Google)
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First of all you have to consider the source of this information to be able to evaluate the spin on this. Florian Mueller is a anti Google/Android pro MS mouthpiece who tends to be clueless.
This is a lifting of the preliminary injunction. The case itself is still pending, but It'll likely to take quite a while to finish up. Granted this isn't good news for Motorola, but it's NOT the end of the road.
Check out Groklaw for a different slant on this and other issues (eg Oracle/Google)
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Actually he uses android devices as he has a Samsung that was affected by the german court case against them last year and he is actually very knowledgeable.
I follow his work and have not noticed any pro apple bias but the things he states are facts, motorolas cannot sue apple using their patents for the duration of the appeal which is between one to two years so how would any bias change the facts?
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He said "pro MS" and not "pro apple"
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Actually he uses android devices as he has a Samsung that was affected by the german court case against them last year and he is actually very knowledgeable.
I follow his work and have not noticed any pro apple bias but the things he states are facts, motorolas cannot sue apple using their patents for the duration of the appeal which is between one to two years so how would any bias change the facts?
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He said "pro MS" and not "pro apple"
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He said anti android as well which if the guy uses android as he does is unlikely.
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Sucks for Motorola. I really had hope this would be a big battle for the long lasting.
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Sucks for Motorola. I really had hope this would be a big battle for the long lasting.
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I thought that steve jobs was gone, apple would stop these law suits but it seems to be differing
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The patent trolling will never end.
Patent fraud is some really easy money, especially when you've got easy victories guaranteed, like Apple does.
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Yeo, I know it was Apple who started it all...
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Motorola sued apple first, which started the ball rolling..
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Motorola sued apple first, which started the ball rolling..
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Motorola sued after apple didn't pay licencing fees in 2010, something apple still won't pay. Bit different to apple suing because phones can auto complete text for example.
Motorola sued for a good reason but apple do so to stifle competition.
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So ridiculous.
European courts seem to be all over Apple's side.
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Motorola sued after apple didn't pay licencing fees in 2010, something apple still won't pay. Bit different to apple suing because phones can auto complete text for example.
Motorola sued for a good reason but apple do so to stifle competition.
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saw this and i thought i would say that apple originally started all of this by suing google and HTC first
they r trying to hold back developemnet becuz thats all apple has done is steal and try and stop competition
in the long run apple will fall
and ppl only buy apple products cuz they br pretty i buy google products for quality and interfacing
all in all apple products r made for the stupid and wealthy while android/windows r made for ppl that want to improve thru the reason y google is open source
Long live open source!
Apple are thieves.
Buy an Apple product and you support your own demise.
Wake up people!
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Do your own research and decide. His name is mud on Slashdot and Groklaw. Here's one article. found at m.paidcontent.org/article/419-is-patent-expertblogger-florian-mueller-getting-too-cozy-with-microsoft/
Partial quote:
The problem lies not with Mueller’s analysis—but with his impartiality. The engineer is right when he says that Mueller has the knives out for Google. Even a casual reader of the FOSS blog can easily discern that Mueller is quick to amplify any legal setback for Google’s Android or its affiliates. His tone can be crowing and haughty—see the tendentious “Google scores an Own Goal” post about Motorola (NYSE: MMI)—and for all the world echoes Microsoft’s own “they’re getting what they deserve” attitude to Google.
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There are rumors that Apple just wasted $100 Million in legal disputes Against HTC. Apparently, Apple patents did not hold up against HTC in court. The only patent that was successful was about tiny software feature in email app used by HTC on Android Phones.
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Lol that's awesome! Maybe they should worry about making some new devices (maybe one with 4G) and quit worrying about what HTC and Samsung are doing.
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There are rumors that Apple just wasted $100 Million in legal disputes Against HTC. Apparently, Apple patents did not hold up against HTC in court. The only patent that was successful was about tiny software feature in email app used by HTC on Android Phones.
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PWNED.
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So? They make money on their phones and can afford to protect it. Hardly a waste even if it's unsuccessful.
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I am fairly certain Apple can afford to lose such amount. I don't think they act on impulse, they plan very very carefully and consider the risks. Plus any publicity is good publicity. Just sayin'.
Having said that, I hate Apple, they are bullies to say the least.
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I am fairly certain Apple can afford to lose such amount. I don't think they act on impulse, they plan very very carefully and consider the risks. Plus any publicity is good publicity. Just sayin'.
Having said that, I hate Apple, they are bullies to say the least.
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I agree, Apple certainly, with their wealth, should afford to lose those amounts, however it's still a lot of money nonetheless.
Then I don't hate Apple, they have rather decent products, however I strongly dislike their ways of marketing and the way they abuse their (imho) way to big list of parents to bully other companies.
That said, if this is true, I suppose I'm happy it didn't go through since, from my understanding, $100 mil in legal disputes could have caused HTC quite some problems.
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Having said that, I hate Apple, they are bullies to say the least.
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Not really.
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Apple get mad
Don't like apple so don't care if they waste their money anyway.
instead of suing every mobile manufacturer on the planet (HTC, Motorola, Samsung...) apple should focus on improving that horrible os they have.
Apple is not compatible to android overall IMHO and therefore has to use the money they make off the fanboys to try to attack the better companies. Let em waste their money.
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I like apple, iphone is cool cause everyone has one. And it has a screen.
Lol not every one has iPhone...
I have a HTC legend and it also has a screen.
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Lol ranger .. XD
grindnmosh said:
Apple is not compatible to android overall IMHO and therefore has to use the money they make off the fanboys to try to attack the better companies. Let em waste their money.
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hamdimo said:
instead of suing every mobile manufacturer on the planet (HTC, Motorola, Samsung...) apple should focus on improving that horrible os they have.
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Fanboys are so annoying.
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I wonder why Apple seems to win every legal dispute in Germany, but not in any other country. News says that courts in Düsseldorf and Mannheim both state, that Samsung/HTC infringes Apple's design rights, which is not patent-related. German law says, that products are not allowed to look the same. So all the judges here think that Samsung's products look the same as those from Apple.
Samsung's and HTC's "counter attack" is about patents, umts technology and such. But the German courts dismiss these technical claims. It's really weird (but nice) to hear that results of these legal disputes are the complete other way 'round in the rest of the world.
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Ditto...
The point to me is that Apple's wasting money it could be using to develop better phones and tech with. And at the same time, it's forcing other companies to waste money, time and resources to battle it. That just holds back the industry and stifles innovation.
I used to be a big fan of Apple (not to the extent of being a fanboy) for how smooth their system was and is. But in the past 5 years, with all the DRM issues (starting with the iPod, even though I had one) and locking down their system so you feel you're borrowing your phone from them rather than buying it, and the patent trolling, I'm just getting more and more disillusioned...
*shrug* Feel free to correct me, but hasn't everything here essentially been stolen from the FLOSS community? The only thing these companies even provide anymore is package management and a GUI. For Apple this practice goes back to Darwin and for Google android. I suppose it's possible that the iPhone source is based on Unix (I can't do an audit).
I don't think android leverages much of X11 either.
http://fosspatents.blogspot.com/2012/02/apples-us-antisuit-lawsuit-against.html
You couldn't make this up, Apple are suing Motorola in the US so that, if successful, Motorola can never again take them to court (ever) for the patent infringements Apple specify. Not only that but if, as is expected, Apple win then courts in other countries are expected to also come down on Apples side in their countries Motorola cases.
As the article states:
"this is a very serious issue, and it could have major impact. Beyond presenting a good chance that Motorola will in the not too distant future be effectively precluded from enforcing its baseband patents against the iPhone 4S (and Apple products to be released in the near term), this could further increase the likelihood of serious antitrust trouble for Google-MMI in Europe and, in a worst-case scenario, it could reflect very unfavorably on Google-MMI's credibility in certain important circles."
The article then explains how Motorola, and Google (yes both companies), would also be liable to pay Apple damages for breach of contract and unfair licensing issues.
Seriously, how can you sue your competition so they can't sue you? I think that's just nuts.
The patent system is so broken and just needs a major overhaul. It's so disgusting how Apple is abusing this and the legal system. And taking someone's ability to sue and defend themselves is just insane!
It really frustrates me to see Apple do this I mean come on seriously, I wouldn't be surprised if apple wins this too since they seem to win most of there legal battle some how.
I think the biggest problem is these companies know that judges have no real clue when it comes to technology and they are using it to their advantage. Truth is I don't see them winning their no sue side of it. The truth here is that Apple is scared because Google is planning to sue them with the patents Motorola has and this is just a preemptive legal strike... but I don't see it working.
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The government needs to slap Apple with so many fines.
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What make laugh in all this is apple didn't even invent slide to unlock yet they are allowed to sue others for using ,yet the blatantly rip off pull down notifications and nothing happens,would not suprise me if they tried to patent pull down notifications
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What make laugh in all this is apple didn't even invent slide to unlock yet they are allowed to sue others for using ,yet the blatantly rip off pull down notifications and nothing happens,would not suprise me if they tried to patent pull down notifications
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Funny you should mention that as they patented push notifications already.
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I Am Marino said:
The government needs to slap Apple with so many fines.
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They can't, technically Apple owns USA, they have more money than the entire USA treasury
Apple can buy out the entire USA debt and it will technically own USA
AllGamer said:
They can't, technically Apple owns USA, they have more money than the entire USA treasury
Apple can buy out the entire USA debt and it will technically own USA
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Apple has around $100 billion ...American debt is in the Trillions....in one month America spends around that much on the military/wars ...wtf are you talking about?
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I Am Marino said:
The government needs to slap Apple with so many fines.
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The government would have to slap themselves first...its the system thats complete crap and broken.
Lol...Apple could maybe buy Greece instead.
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Lol...Apple could maybe buy Greece instead.
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If apple buys out Greece they can then sue even more.
Why are Microsoft Getting away from all of this
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As much as I dislike Apple, they seem to have better lawyers. You would think Google has better coonections with all that money they throwing at lobbyist. Have them lobby to redo the damn patent system.
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Definitely a lot more than usual, they must be panicking
I see a lot more android fanboy posts bashing apple. Must be the panicking.
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I see a lot more android fanboy posts bashing apple. Must be the panicking.
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That's probably due to the high profile court cases this week where some androids were banned for violating patents such as being able to act on a phone number you've been sent in a message (data tapping) and having a unified search feature (siri patent).
People rightly get annoyed when a big company patents things that were in use before the patent and then uses them to stifle the competition.
Dave
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Well lately its been sad news in the Android world because Flash Player is no longer supported on 4.1 and Gnex was banned.
And yet both side can't change anything.. let's grab some popcorn
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Its those kind of Apple Fanboys that gives good and kind iPeople a bad name.
Let them KEEP BARKING LIKE STRAY DOGS. They are afraid that their iOS is loosing to the New Generation of Android phones, so inorder to stay in top they are trying to make android's position low.
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ifanboy raging ? :highfive:
mistermentality said:
That's probably due to the high profile court cases this week where some androids were banned for violating patents such as being able to act on a phone number you've been sent in a message (data tapping) and having a unified search feature (siri patent).
People rightly get annoyed when a big company patents things that were in use before the patent and then uses them to stifle the competition.
Dave
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Yes
http://www.theverge.com/2012/6/30/3...estigating-google-over-motorolas-use-of-frand.
Wouldn't want anyone to hold technology back. Grrr, argh.
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Yes
http://www.theverge.com/2012/6/30/3...estigating-google-over-motorolas-use-of-frand.
Wouldn't want anyone to hold technology back. Grrr, argh.
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Pretty sure apple patenting anothers ideas then suing over people using them is just a little worse, and does more to hold tech back, than motorola who are owned by google allegedly charging a high price for patent rights.
One copies existing ideas and then stops rivals using them while not allowing them to licence the rights, the other own patents vital to tech products and lets anyone use them but possibly overcharges.
Pretty big difference between them.
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Seriously can you stop spamming so many threads?
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Yes
http://www.theverge.com/2012/6/30/3...estigating-google-over-motorolas-use-of-frand.
Wouldn't want anyone to hold technology back. Grrr, argh.
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The thing about Apple getting in hot water over frand is that they didn't pay the frand rate at all.
Motorola objected as it should be paid.
Now Apple have entered into a frand agreement, however they want to have their cake and eat it by not paying for the time they were illegally using the patents.
As they hadn't entered into a frand agreement with Motorola back then, Motorola is not obliged to charge a frand rate and so want to charge a compensatory rate that punishes Apple for breaking the ethics of frand. This upsets Apple and the protectionist US authorities.
Had Apple played by the rules in the first place they'd not be in this mess but they wanted to rip off Motorola so must pay the price.
This is xda not androidCentral or imore. Keep the fan crap out!
It is time a new OS to pop out and steal everything the others got lol
We will have the perfect smartphone and they can spend all their money in court muahahaha
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Well lately its been sad news in the Android world because Flash Player is no longer supported on 4.1 and Gnex was banned.
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There not supporting flags player!? :O
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Yeah I have too, it's quite funny to read through, honestly.
Just proves how "evil" Apple is. A company that plays dirty tricks to stifle the competition is highly unattractive towards me.
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I bet the American court system won't have the balls to ban sales of the Xbox 360 due to the courtroom loss of Microsoft to Motorola since Microsoft is an American company.
Looks like there already is a new os make by mozila, with a android kernel and a "mordern" UI~
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I agree, looking through some Apple Mac Forums and such, I discovered that yes, while there are still the die-hard Apple fans, the majority of them are quite mature with each other. Not so much the case here...There are some that do still provide valuable information yes, and there are some peaceful, mature debates, but there's always that one or two posts saying "I love Android", or "Screw Apple, Android FTW!" etc.
Let's remember guys: This thread was created for the community to come together and peacefully discuss and share their opinions on this matter.There's nothing wrong with being a fan boy, but if you're just going to waste a post saying stuff like this...then don't post it...use that post for something/somewhere else.
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http://rootzwiki.com/news/_/articles/apples-latest-patents-could-spell-doom-for-android-r977
R.I.P Android, you were a great OS, i'm sorry you were destroyed by such a selfish company.
So what do you guys think? Thoughts? Comments?
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def not R.I.P
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Who the **** gave apple those patents?
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How many judges got new cars bought by Apple aftee granting these patents?
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What the ****s going on?? What are these judges smoking man??????????
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http://rootzwiki.com/news/_/articles/apples-latest-patents-could-spell-doom-for-android-r977
R.I.P Android, you were a great OS, i'm sorry you were destroyed by such a selfish company.
So what do you guys think? Thoughts? Comments?
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I am focken astonished that Apple has gone this far in ther bullcrap. Doesn't anybody remember Windows Pocket Pc or Windows mobile 2003??? It came out in 2002! When steve jobs was pulling purple and pink imacs out of his ass!
Apple didn't invent smartphones or touchscreens you stupid judges!
I'd rather buy a blackberry or a windows phone, if this is android's end. Never an apple.
One Apple a day?? Eff you lol
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If they still win we will be illegal for using android phones )?
I WILL HAVE TO DESTRUCT MY ANDROID PHONE
WILL THEY FORCE GOOGLE TO DO A BRICK UPDATE
GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR...
APPLE SUCKS AND ALWAYS WILL I WILL NEVER BUY I**** EVEN IF THEY ARE THE BEST
I GUESS BLACKBERRY FOR THE WIN
Can't happen!
In near future Apple will patent Android... :screwy:
This is just ridiculous.
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saranhai said:
http://rootzwiki.com/news/_/articles/apples-latest-patents-could-spell-doom-for-android-r977
R.I.P Android, you were a great OS, i'm sorry you were destroyed by such a selfish company.
So what do you guys think? Thoughts? Comments?
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Worst case scenario is that usa would have to have a heavily neutered version of the os.
There is prior art that predates the patent application by a year so that could be useful in a court case.
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Will not stop Android, these patents are all completely ridiculous. I also don't understand how they could possibly be granted retrospectively like that. The fact that they apparently have is quite an indictment of the US (?) patent system, in my opinion (dunno if "indictment" is the right word, but it seems right to me).
The sad part is the judges don't know crap. Apple ass hones
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Will not stop Android, these patents are all completely ridiculous. I also don't understand how they could possibly be granted retrospectively like that. The fact that they apparently have is quite an indictment of the US (?) patent system, in my opinion (dunno if "indictment" is the right word, but it seems right to me).
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They are ridiculous but legal.
Believe it or not the patent even covers widgets, if you read the whole patent it's about half way down. And it covers email, scrolling through lists, stuff people did long before apples patent.
But by specifying a multi touch portable device in their description this patent applies to literally any mobile device and if they were able to find a sympathetic judge such as Judge Koh they could cause problems for victims, I mean people stealing their ideas (oops), of their choosing.
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I think its funny how apple just copy android and they get the credit
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gates was first with tablet pc 10 years ago anyway so whats the prob here?
The great thing about open source is that THEY CANNOT STOP USSSSSSS!!!!!!
If they could then all these proprietary binaries, blobs, apps, frameworks, radios etc etc would have killed the hacking community.
Instead, we fart in their general direction!
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gates was first with tablet pc 10 years ago anyway so whats the prob here?
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I'm sorry but most features aren't owned by apple, lots of these existed on windows mobile so apple is basically trying to defend technology that was never theirs to defend. bring Microsoft and it's game over for apple
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They are ridiculous but legal.
Believe it or not the patent even covers widgets, if you read the whole patent it's about half way down. And it covers email, scrolling through lists, stuff people did long before apples patent.
But by specifying a multi touch portable device in their description this patent applies to literally any mobile device and if they were able to find a sympathetic judge such as Judge Koh they could cause problems for victims, I mean people stealing their ideas (oops), of their choosing.
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Actually the ITC blocking the import of Android devices illegal. They technically do not have the authority to do so. Apple applies to all of these patents under FRAND. So, when they sue, they aren't giving anyone a chance to license the patent. Senators (as of last week) have decided to step in to fix the broken tech patent system, so I don't think this is the end of anything. If Google just throws in the towel and gives up, Apple will clearly have a monopoly (wp7, wp8, RIM have hardly any market share) and then they are screwed as well.
Freedom it is This stupid war will never end.
It kinda reminds me of some old movies, where big Firms own everything.....even the whole Country.......CHEERS .......
The article is very helpful with all the details in a timeline format.
"The patent litigations we see today in tech industry are classic examples of corporate greed that takes away customer choice and welfare."
Definitely true when courts start banning the sales of devices instead of just ordering the company to pay for it.
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What do you guys think?
I think Apple has pushed this so far that even those who love the Apple ecosystem have gotten tired of it. They are signing their own death warrant by both alienating even their staunch supporters and by stifling the very innovation that has become the hallmark of the mobile tech industry. iOS 5 and 6 literally owe almost every added feature to Android and to a lesser extent WP and R.I.M. It is the excitement of something new that put Apple on top but it is clear that without Jobs at the helm the company has become stagnant and seeks to bleed other companies dry rather than remaining a viable prospect in the marketplace. Tim Cook is clearly not competent for his leadership role if he thinks litigation is a viable long-term solution.
Apple will die soon enough, without Steve they're nothing
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I haven't seen any evidence that most apple users are really bothered by apples anti android tactics. There are still millions longing for the next iphone and saying that apple are great.
Apple won't die off, they still sell incredibly well and have done for the past five years. They are succeeding in most court cases and the only people really bothered are us android users, not people whose views cook and co are bothered about.
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I've actually seen a number of users on various forums who have gone with other devices when they were about to upgrade their Apple wear. Maybe it's just the fact that those who have strong opinions will be more vocal, but if ten people are moved enough to comment, then ten times that many might be on the same train. Even if it's just a pipe dream I would love if this would all finally backfire on Apple the way that it should.
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I've actually seen a number of users on various forums who have gone with other devices when they were about to upgrade their Apple wear. Maybe it's just the fact that those who have strong opinions will be more vocal, but if ten people are moved enough to comment, then ten times that many might be on the same train. Even if it's just a pipe dream I would love if this would all finally backfire on Apple the way that it should.
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I've seen people do the same but they all own android devices too, with apples new patents on everything from touch screens to displaying data on a screen I just can't see them going anywhere but up unfortunately.
They own patents that literally every mobile device can be seen as infringing so they have unlimited court case ammunition if their sales do drop and they need to make more money, they have judges in germany and usa imposing bans on rivals to limit competition and they have enough die hard fans to keep their business doing well even if the rest of the world did stop using their products.
I would love to see apple taught a lesson but the nearest anyone came was a uk judge telling them to apologise to samsung. What happened? Days later apple got an eu ban that overrides uk law.
They have unlimited resources and top lawyers, they also have patents on things every mobile device needs. They can't really lose.
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Well, Samsung just made their newest salvo so we'll see what comes of that. I really does appear that it's going to take a concerted effort from Sammny, Google, maybe a few others to fight this effectively. What amazes me is instances of Nokia and Microsoft supporting Apple in some of its previous complaints.
Why don't Sony sue apple then?
http://www.pcworld.com/article/259842/apple_looked_to_sony_for_iphone_design_inspiration.html
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"By Gibson295
Wed Jul 25 14:33:21 PDT 2012
LAWL......
Trading my iPhone for a Galaxy nexus.
I won't lie, I'ma miss the battery life and the App store to a degree, A Bit (never rly used more then Netflix). But For Flash, and all the other goods, AND SHOWING APPLE HOW FLIPPEN DISPLEASED I AM WITH THEM RIGHT NOW.
Me doing the right thing.
I excited, ya baby."
Might not be a large percentage, but when loyal users move away there's also the influence they have on other buyers. Apple has built itself on perception and between the increased reporting of Jobs' tyrannical leadership and Apple's increasingly public patent mongering I can at least say this won't do anything to grow Apple's marketshare.
Apple will die gradually..so they are frustrated. Sony & Samsung will rule the world.
Who cares. Apply are dying... No one will even remember then in 5 years time.
Sadly, there are a lot of apple fan-boys who will buy their products for the sake of the brand. Sad but true. But at least this showed that other companies have at least a fighting chance legally with the absurd limitations apple tries to impose on them. When i hard brick my phone i'm gonna slap an iphone sticker on it and sell to those apple die-hards for $$$
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Odds are Apple won't die. Even IBM survived it's almost devised. That said, if they continue in the same way there relevance in the market is is in for a rather sizeable shift.
Like Ghandi said, "An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind."
That's what's gonna happen. Apple and Samsung are going to irreparable damage to each other.
LarsFromMars said:
Like Ghandi said, "An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind."
That's what's gonna happen. Apple and Samsung are going to irreparable damage to each other.
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Lol....you mean Gandhi, dont you?
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all these patents war is just useless, why can't apple just stop suing samsung and just try to make better products ? the reason apple is trying to ban samsung's products is because it's just too good that apple is scared.
also, some of the patents are ridiculous, rounded edges, square shape, it's a universal shape like for what apple made such patent ?
rickywinataa said:
all these patents war is just useless, why can't apple just stop suing samsung and just try to make better products ? the reason apple is trying to ban samsung's products is because it's just too good that apple is scared.
also, some of the patents are ridiculous, rounded edges, square shape, it's a universal shape like for what apple made such patent ?
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Apple is really scared,they didn't see this coming.
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pee41 said:
Apple is really scared,they didn't see this coming.
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Apple are scared?
Apple are the ones who own the patents that are making their rivals lose in courts around the world, what are they scared of?
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rickywinataa said:
all these patents war is just useless, why can't apple just stop suing samsung and just try to make better products ? the reason apple is trying to ban samsung's products is because it's just too good that apple is scared.
also, some of the patents are ridiculous, rounded edges, square shape, it's a universal shape like for what apple made such patent ?
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and they win this ridiculous case ........
this is getting boring apple just need to lay off they know there beaten-talk of sore losers.