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Apple Says Android Oem's are abusing the patient system

Check the link below what do you think funny or what me=FUNNY
http://www.dailytech.com/Apple+Cries+About+Samsung+and+Motorolas+Patent+Monopoly/article22586.htm
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Apple is the one who is abusing the patent laws

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Check the link below what do you think funny or what me=FUNNY
http://www.dailytech.com/Apple+Cries+About+Samsung+and+Motorolas+Patent+Monopoly/article22586.htm
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I do know they all are abusing my patient system...

Nice find. The I love that article. The main reason I will never buy apple. Their products are decent, not my taste but decent. Even if they came out with a great phone I would be hard pressed to put my money on a company like this.
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Someone needs to put a patent on customers, that way they can sue when someone else steals them

Oh look, another biased tech site. Apple isn't abusing the patent system, they're utilizing it for its intendd purpose. There is a big difference. The fact that google steals everything is, and should be their downfall. People treat it as though they're innovating and yet everything they build and everything they utilize is stolen, to top it off the whole point of their platform is to steal your information.

z33dev33l said:
Oh look, another biased tech site. Apple isn't abusing the patent system, they're utilizing it for its intendd purpose. There is a big difference. The fact that google steals everything is, and should be their downfall. People treat it as though they're innovating and yet everything they build and everything they utilize is stolen, to top it off the whole point of their platform is to steal your information.
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Your right apple would never steal ideas.
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z33dev33l said:
Oh look, another biased tech site. Apple isn't abusing the patent system, they're utilizing it for its intendd purpose. There is a big difference. The fact that google steals everything is, and should be their downfall. People treat it as though they're innovating and yet everything they build and everything they utilize is stolen, to top it off the whole point of their platform is to steal your information.
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The attention whore is back! You want to talk about stealing?? Youtube search Steve Jobs on stealing. He says word for word, "Good artists copy, but great artists steal." Youre just a biased android hater. Jobs said himself that stealing is a good tactic so obviously Apple has done a lot of that.
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This is the same Apple that has initiated a patent war with its smartphone rivals. And it's the same rival that has tried to remove competing products from the market, rather than agree to negotiate a licensing fee. And it's the same company that patented multi-touch gestures 26 years after they were invented at a research university. And it's the same company that allegedly doctored evidence in European courts to support its lawsuits against Android. And yet this company claims android-based smartphone manufacturers are abusing the patent system.

Yes, it does seem like Android has been abusing Apple's patience

slapshot30 said:
The attention whore is back! You want to talk about stealing?? Youtube search Steve Jobs on stealing. He says word for word, "Good artists copy, but great artists steal." Youre just a biased android hater. Jobs said himself that stealing is a good tactic so obviously Apple has done a lot of that.
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and again you put forth senseless insults, shocker. I'm not, nor could I ever say that apple doesn't steal, however, they also innovate. Google has failed to do this and makes it their business to steal from different hardware/software providers, and even their consumers. Google is a company founded on stealing and you all act as though you're offended by someone mentioning it.

z33dev33l said:
and again you put forth senseless insults, shocker. I'm not, nor could I ever say that apple doesn't steal, however, they also innovate. Google has failed to do this and makes it their business to steal from different hardware/software providers, and even their consumers. Google is a company founded on stealing and you all act as though you're offended by someone mentioning it.
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First of all Google only provides the software HTC, Samsung and other companies provide the hardware. Secondly Google android looks nothing at all like iPhone ui. IPhone is plain where as Google has customization with Widgets notifications and an open source market. Google android is so good that apple decided to implement it into there phones through ios 5, so I wouldn't be talking if I were you.
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First of all Google only provides the software HTC, Samsung and other companies provide the hardware. Secondly Google android looks nothing at all like iPhone ui. IPhone is plain where as Google has customization with Widgets notifications and an open source market. Google android is so good that apple decided to implement it into there phones through ios 5, so I wouldn't be talking if I were you.
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I'm fully aware that googlr only provides the software, the software is what is used to steal everything. You CAN customize android to look however but by default its the same boring 4x4 slab of icons and that's how your average consumer will keep it. Android looked like blackberry OS until they saw the iPhone. Android has an open source market which has made it the 2nd biggest target for malware, it is expected that almost 1/3 of android users will encounter malware on their phone within the year. The most common varieties of this malware end up adding a hefty sum to your bill, these can be found on the "open source marketplace" that you're so proud of. As for your last statement saying apple is implementing android into iOS5 the only thing they've got that was stolen was the notifications bar. I'm no apple fan, but I feel justified in calling you an idiot.

Man everything that you mention makes you sound like an apple fan. Just get the hell out of here because no one likes a whiner who *****es about Google and says he's no apple fan. If you don't like Google so much then don't use any of their products as well as their search engine. No one cares what you think and I don't care what people think of my opinions. I'm not going to keep whining about it.
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Funny once apple sues samsung its all ok , block their sales all good , but once apple gets hit back with same meassure then everyone else is abusing pattents.
Lets face it apple wants to put a stop on so fast and developing android phones and software, all they can is try to find loopholes and sue.
We will see where apple will be in 2 yr time and where android will be.
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If it wasnt for these android oem's apples hardware specs would still remain mediocre. U can bet iphone 5 would have been iphone 4 repackaged with same hardware specs.
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z33dev33l said:
and again you put forth senseless insults, shocker. I'm not, nor could I ever say that apple doesn't steal, however, they also innovate. Google has failed to do this and makes it their business to steal from different hardware/software providers, and even their consumers. Google is a company founded on stealing and you all act as though you're offended by someone mentioning it.
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Hang on, in another thread your posts stated that Google do innovate (ok you were claiming that they didn't by arguing that they do innovate, but if crazy paradoxical logic is your thing, then go for it).

z33dev33l said:
Oh look, another biased tech site. Apple isn't abusing the patent system, they're utilizing it for its intendd purpose. There is a big difference. The fact that google steals everything is, and should be their downfall. People treat it as though they're innovating and yet everything they build and everything they utilize is stolen, to top it off the whole point of their platform is to steal your information.
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The RDF strikes again!
But this time I won't even bother with a rebuttal, it's useless anyway, in the next thread people will be spouting the same nonsense again and again.
It at least makes me a bit happy that most of the people in this thread do see it the way it *really* is - which is that Apple are being total and complete hypocrites.
I'll end with something I've asked in another thread, and of course didn't get a reply: How do you "steal" IP?

z33dev33l said:
and again you put forth senseless insults, shocker. I'm not, nor could I ever say that apple doesn't steal, however, they also innovate. Google has failed to do this and makes it their business to steal from different hardware/software providers, and even their consumers. Google is a company founded on stealing and you all act as though you're offended by someone mentioning it.
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Apple does not innovate. They steal many ideas and clump them into one nicely built product. However, most tech companies do take other's ideas and build on them. Apple, HTC, Samsung all feed off of eachother. However, it is a problem when Apple decides they can steal but no one else can, and thus this stupid patent war.

z33dev33l said:
and again you put forth senseless insults, shocker. I'm not, nor could I ever say that apple doesn't steal, however, they also innovate.
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You're on some serious hallucinogenic class a sh1t if you think Apple innovate anything.
100% everything they sell is not original and was done 10 years prior. They also specifcally leave out basic features just so retards buy the next product to get what should have been in the first.
The ONLY thing Apple are good at is their marketing, And that is convincing sheep like you that they bring things new to the table. Do some fking research dude.
Eye candy/marketed well yes, Something new/innovative absolutely not!

Maybe an end to all these stupid patent battles?

Hopefully this goes through...
http://tinyurl.com/7a637q5
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I hope so...

I wonder why they are singling out Apple/Samsung when there are others that are suing much more than these two companies. Microsoft, Oracle and others come to mind.

MartyLK said:
I wonder why they are singling out Apple/Samsung when there are others that are suing much more than these two companies. Microsoft, Oracle and others come to mind.
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I think they're the core of the patent war.....they seem to be always at war and stuff :/
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I think this is also a part of their marketing strategy. Consumer will become more curious so if they buy an apple brand maybe they will buy a samsung brand to compare by themselves whos better..As part of marketing, a profit for them both...But thats true theres a lot of choices and maybe much better than them definitely, but maybe thats why they doing an exposure to sell their products.

My 74 yo mother in law went to Big Red and asked if she should get an Android or an iPhone. they said the iPhone was less technical and she would be able to the simpler device much easier. So I guess if you are an old woman you should use the iPhone.

MartyLK said:
I wonder why they are singling out Apple/Samsung when there are others that are suing much more than these two companies. Microsoft, Oracle and others come to mind.
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"Almunia was careful to point out that this is hardly the only example of a potential abuse of intellectual property rights to distort the market, but with more than 20 cases in 10 countries it's certainly one of the largest and most high profile."

seems a bit odd that apple singles out samsung, not that they do persay... but it gets in media lol
Since a lot of the infringments seem to be from the software side which leads to google :S seems like apple doesn't want to tie up as much cash going after google than if it went after Samsung. Since samsung is a "safe" hit seeing as how apple is one of it's biggest hardware buyers so they can't go after apple too much, if apple doesn't sell well, then samsung loses out on a buyer as well.

http://www.engadget.com/2011/11/22/apple-and-samsungs-patent-battle-draws-concern-from-eu-competit/
Maybe under threat of such hefty fines, the two competitors will put aside their differences and actually compete... you know, in the marketplace instead of in the court room.
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I LOLed hard when i read that
which is so true that it's actually sad i'll rather see that energy and wasted money channelled into more R&D for better products

If the commission chooses to pursue legal action both Samsung and Apple could be fined up to 10 percent of their annual revenue.
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Awch... That's painful. 10% of annual revenue
But I doubt it'll stop both of their war. Might "change battleground" to somewhere else, other than patent. Just be ready ...
Heard Apple will tore down all Google Services. Hope that doesn't actually bites Apple back ...
Killing this planet's most reliable, unique profit taking company out of your company, might actually leads towards "your own" extinction.

sushiguy732 said:
My 74 yo mother in law went to Big Red and asked if she should get an Android or an iPhone. they said the iPhone was less technical and she would be able to the simpler device much easier. So I guess if you are an old woman you should use the iPhone.
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excellent). more likely all of these disputes over money

There's a chance
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Apple sue Motorola so they can't sue Apple ever again

http://fosspatents.blogspot.com/2012/02/apples-us-antisuit-lawsuit-against.html
You couldn't make this up, Apple are suing Motorola in the US so that, if successful, Motorola can never again take them to court (ever) for the patent infringements Apple specify. Not only that but if, as is expected, Apple win then courts in other countries are expected to also come down on Apples side in their countries Motorola cases.
As the article states:
"this is a very serious issue, and it could have major impact. Beyond presenting a good chance that Motorola will in the not too distant future be effectively precluded from enforcing its baseband patents against the iPhone 4S (and Apple products to be released in the near term), this could further increase the likelihood of serious antitrust trouble for Google-MMI in Europe and, in a worst-case scenario, it could reflect very unfavorably on Google-MMI's credibility in certain important circles."
The article then explains how Motorola, and Google (yes both companies), would also be liable to pay Apple damages for breach of contract and unfair licensing issues.
Seriously, how can you sue your competition so they can't sue you? I think that's just nuts.

The patent system is so broken and just needs a major overhaul. It's so disgusting how Apple is abusing this and the legal system. And taking someone's ability to sue and defend themselves is just insane!

It really frustrates me to see Apple do this I mean come on seriously, I wouldn't be surprised if apple wins this too since they seem to win most of there legal battle some how.

I think the biggest problem is these companies know that judges have no real clue when it comes to technology and they are using it to their advantage. Truth is I don't see them winning their no sue side of it. The truth here is that Apple is scared because Google is planning to sue them with the patents Motorola has and this is just a preemptive legal strike... but I don't see it working.
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The government needs to slap Apple with so many fines.
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What make laugh in all this is apple didn't even invent slide to unlock yet they are allowed to sue others for using ,yet the blatantly rip off pull down notifications and nothing happens,would not suprise me if they tried to patent pull down notifications
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combat goofwing said:
What make laugh in all this is apple didn't even invent slide to unlock yet they are allowed to sue others for using ,yet the blatantly rip off pull down notifications and nothing happens,would not suprise me if they tried to patent pull down notifications
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Funny you should mention that as they patented push notifications already.
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I Am Marino said:
The government needs to slap Apple with so many fines.
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They can't, technically Apple owns USA, they have more money than the entire USA treasury
Apple can buy out the entire USA debt and it will technically own USA

AllGamer said:
They can't, technically Apple owns USA, they have more money than the entire USA treasury
Apple can buy out the entire USA debt and it will technically own USA
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Apple has around $100 billion ...American debt is in the Trillions....in one month America spends around that much on the military/wars ...wtf are you talking about?
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The government needs to slap Apple with so many fines.
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The government would have to slap themselves first...its the system thats complete crap and broken.

Lol...Apple could maybe buy Greece instead.
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TommUK said:
Lol...Apple could maybe buy Greece instead.
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If apple buys out Greece they can then sue even more.
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As much as I dislike Apple, they seem to have better lawyers. You would think Google has better coonections with all that money they throwing at lobbyist. Have them lobby to redo the damn patent system.
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Apple Patent Dispute aims Android*ICS Lock Screen

http://technofierce.com/2012/01/24/...ck-screen-in-samsung-galaxy-nexus/news/001926
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And yet another reason to prove apple is gay aswell as its users. They cant handle a phone thats better then theirs.

I dont know why anyone gave them the right to patent a motion. Are they going to patent high fives next?
and apparently they patented rounded edges in Australia.

Seems ppl were jumping to conclusions again.... more so the s2. Series is the target
http://m.androidcentral.com/samsung-galaxy-nexus-unlock-screen-not-targeted-apple-lawsuit-after-all
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jim93 said:
I dont know why anyone gave them the right to patent a motion. Are they going to patent high fives next?
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http://www.google.com/patents/US5356330

jim93 said:
I dont know why anyone gave them the right to patent a motion. Are they going to patent high fives next?
and apparently they patented rounded edges in Australia.
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http://www.google.com/patents/US5356330
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...pwned.
It's not uncommon for Apple to target Samsung, Motorola...or Android for that matter. Whether or not Apple actually has a case is above me, but it's apparent both of these OS use or "borrow" features from the other...a self-made "improved" version of the former.

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...pwned.
It's not uncommon for Apple to target Samsung, Motorola...or Android for that matter. Whether or not Apple actually has a case is above me, but it's apparent both of these OS use or "borrow" features from the other...a self-made "improved" version of the former.
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i assume google wasn't smart enough to patent stuff that apple borrowed?

jessejames111981 said:
i assume google wasn't smart enough to patent stuff that apple borrowed?
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I can't stand this patent stuff
I understand companies waiting to protect intellectual property
But apple and other companies are going to far.
I think only their devices and distinct styles should be patented
That's it...
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Sounds like Apple is really grasping for straws at this point.

gstar_raw said:
Sounds like Apple is really grasping for straws at this point.
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how so? iOS still accounts for a signifigant (even if it isn't majority) & of smartphones. Apple owns that entire portion of the pie where as the android portion is shared by a handful of companies. Plus they got a name. As long as they put out a half decent product, it will sell.

can't these guys just drop all the lawsuits and actually improve their os/ui? seriously.. most of the time they just sue each other instead of improving things -.-

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how so? iOS still accounts for a signifigant (even if it isn't majority) & of smartphones. Apple owns that entire portion of the pie where as the android portion is shared by a handful of companies. Plus they got a name. As long as they put out a half decent product, it will sell.
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Your logic is flawed. He didn't say that they were doing poorly, he simply said they are going for anything and everything they can. Maybe they want to own more of the market, maybe they are afraid of android getting ahead... Just because iOS is doing well doesn't mean they aren't getting defensive lately.

Another one of the many reasons why I refuse to buy any apple products.
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What i dont fet is why in hell can companies like Apple keep wasting so much money on lawauits instead of investing in innovationwhich theyve lost a few years back
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What i dont fet is why in hell can companies like Apple keep wasting so much money on lawauits instead of investing in innovationwhich theyve lost a few years back
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the OG iPhone spawned a growth spurt in transforming PDAs to our modern smartphone. We are currently in a spot where noone is doing anything innovative so I guess this is their way of passing time

Apple needs to go #UCK themselves with all their frivolous lawsuits.
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clninja said:
Another one of the many reasons why I refuse to buy any apple products.
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I think about it the same way!

This is the only thing that left for Apple to do since they enjoy taking everyone and their brothers to court
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nice.
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clninja said:
Another one of the many reasons why I refuse to buy any apple products.
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I think about it the same way!
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Bah you guys must be new to the Anti Apple party .......... i've had a complete unilateral ban on all Apple products (except quicktime...*sigh*) since about 1990 !!!
What i find most perverse and ironic about Apple is that they ARE the Stalinist, monolithic, all seeing, all controlling, big brother, facelessly corporate, tech company the much famed old Apple advertisement painted every other tech company to be. And whats more they always where. Developing nation sweat shop worker conditions is only the tip of the iceberg where Apple are concerned ....... you can be sure Bono will never do another Apple advert ... lol.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HhsWzJo2sN4
If you've never seen it.

Its official - court rules that Motorolas patents cannot be used against Apple

http://fosspatents.blogspot.com/2012/02/motorola-cant-enforce-standard.html
German courts have made a ruling that means if Motorola tries to use its most important patents against Apple in a court case the company will be in violation of European Anti trust law.
As the article says:
"Apple scored a breakthrough court victory today against Motorola. Its important can hardly be overstated. This is so huge that it even begs the question of whether Google's strategy for its $12.5 billion purchase of Motorola Mobility has failed before the deal is even formally closed (they're still waiting for some regulatory approvals)."
It would be nice to see Apple bought down a peg or two but the way things are going its likely to be Google-Motorola (and therefore also Android) that is on the losing side.
After all Motorola cannot use its genuinely essential patents in court now and yet Apple can still use dumb ones like voice search, touch screen, text completion etcetera that although every decent phone nowadays has these features Apple own the patents to and have been able to use in court cases so it seems Apple now have the upper hand.
Dave

Why, yes, Apple, you can patent intuitive actions on your devices all you please; and don't worry about those pesky other companies patenting worthwhile operating features, we'll make them play ball with you. Hahaha, let's go smoke this cigar together and laugh at all the little people.

this is getting hilarious...they all should concentrate on developing new devices instead of sueing each other. I hate Apple for all these lawsuits...

Firetribe said:
this is getting hilarious...they all should concentrate on developing new devices instead of sueing each other. I hate Apple for all these lawsuits...
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They can't develop new devices without violating apples patents anymore. When the new phones with android get released after mwc you'll see more lawsuits against those models too.
Apple will win because they have patents that are not subject to frand so don't have to let people use them.
Odd thing is that apples licence offer to motorola, which stopped the injunction on iphones in Germany, is still less than motorola asked for yet judges order them to not sue apple as a result.
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Yeo, I know it was Apple who started it all... I just feel sorry for the time wasted in court, only to slow down the other side, time and money which could be used much better.
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Firetribe said:
Yeo, I know it was Apple who started it all... I just feel sorry for the time wasted in court, only to slow down the other side, time and money which could be used much better.
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Things got worse for motorola today as apple won court case over the android gallery and they have to change it or all their products running android get banned and recalled.
Dave
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First of all you have to consider the source of this information to be able to evaluate the spin on this. Florian Mueller is a anti Google/Android pro MS mouthpiece who tends to be clueless.
This is a lifting of the preliminary injunction. The case itself is still pending, but It'll likely to take quite a while to finish up. Granted this isn't good news for Motorola, but it's NOT the end of the road.
Check out Groklaw for a different slant on this and other issues (eg Oracle/Google)

jcmm11 said:
First of all you have to consider the source of this information to be able to evaluate the spin on this. Florian Mueller is a anti Google/Android pro MS mouthpiece who tends to be clueless.
This is a lifting of the preliminary injunction. The case itself is still pending, but It'll likely to take quite a while to finish up. Granted this isn't good news for Motorola, but it's NOT the end of the road.
Check out Groklaw for a different slant on this and other issues (eg Oracle/Google)
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Actually he uses android devices as he has a Samsung that was affected by the german court case against them last year and he is actually very knowledgeable.
I follow his work and have not noticed any pro apple bias but the things he states are facts, motorolas cannot sue apple using their patents for the duration of the appeal which is between one to two years so how would any bias change the facts?
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He said "pro MS" and not "pro apple"
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Actually he uses android devices as he has a Samsung that was affected by the german court case against them last year and he is actually very knowledgeable.
I follow his work and have not noticed any pro apple bias but the things he states are facts, motorolas cannot sue apple using their patents for the duration of the appeal which is between one to two years so how would any bias change the facts?
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atljatl said:
He said "pro MS" and not "pro apple"
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He said anti android as well which if the guy uses android as he does is unlikely.
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Sucks for Motorola. I really had hope this would be a big battle for the long lasting.

starable said:
Sucks for Motorola. I really had hope this would be a big battle for the long lasting.
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I thought that steve jobs was gone, apple would stop these law suits but it seems to be differing
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The patent trolling will never end.

Patent fraud is some really easy money, especially when you've got easy victories guaranteed, like Apple does.

Firetribe said:
Yeo, I know it was Apple who started it all...
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Motorola sued apple first, which started the ball rolling..

Tone_ said:
Motorola sued apple first, which started the ball rolling..
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Motorola sued after apple didn't pay licencing fees in 2010, something apple still won't pay. Bit different to apple suing because phones can auto complete text for example.
Motorola sued for a good reason but apple do so to stifle competition.
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So ridiculous.
European courts seem to be all over Apple's side.

mistermentality said:
Motorola sued after apple didn't pay licencing fees in 2010, something apple still won't pay. Bit different to apple suing because phones can auto complete text for example.
Motorola sued for a good reason but apple do so to stifle competition.
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saw this and i thought i would say that apple originally started all of this by suing google and HTC first
they r trying to hold back developemnet becuz thats all apple has done is steal and try and stop competition
in the long run apple will fall
and ppl only buy apple products cuz they br pretty i buy google products for quality and interfacing
all in all apple products r made for the stupid and wealthy while android/windows r made for ppl that want to improve thru the reason y google is open source

Long live open source!
Apple are thieves.
Buy an Apple product and you support your own demise.
Wake up people!
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Do your own research and decide. His name is mud on Slashdot and Groklaw. Here's one article. found at m.paidcontent.org/article/419-is-patent-expertblogger-florian-mueller-getting-too-cozy-with-microsoft/
Partial quote:
The problem lies not with Mueller’s analysis—but with his impartiality. The engineer is right when he says that Mueller has the knives out for Google. Even a casual reader of the FOSS blog can easily discern that Mueller is quick to amplify any legal setback for Google’s Android or its affiliates. His tone can be crowing and haughty—see the tendentious “Google scores an Own Goal” post about Motorola (NYSE: MMI)—and for all the world echoes Microsoft’s own “they’re getting what they deserve” attitude to Google.
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