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Apple wastes $100,000,000 against HTC

There are rumors that Apple just wasted $100 Million in legal disputes Against HTC. Apparently, Apple patents did not hold up against HTC in court. The only patent that was successful was about tiny software feature in email app used by HTC on Android Phones.
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Lol that's awesome! Maybe they should worry about making some new devices (maybe one with 4G) and quit worrying about what HTC and Samsung are doing.
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np231 said:
There are rumors that Apple just wasted $100 Million in legal disputes Against HTC. Apparently, Apple patents did not hold up against HTC in court. The only patent that was successful was about tiny software feature in email app used by HTC on Android Phones.
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PWNED.
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So? They make money on their phones and can afford to protect it. Hardly a waste even if it's unsuccessful.
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I find humor in this.
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I am fairly certain Apple can afford to lose such amount. I don't think they act on impulse, they plan very very carefully and consider the risks. Plus any publicity is good publicity. Just sayin'.
Having said that, I hate Apple, they are bullies to say the least.
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iridaki said:
I am fairly certain Apple can afford to lose such amount. I don't think they act on impulse, they plan very very carefully and consider the risks. Plus any publicity is good publicity. Just sayin'.
Having said that, I hate Apple, they are bullies to say the least.
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I agree, Apple certainly, with their wealth, should afford to lose those amounts, however it's still a lot of money nonetheless.
Then I don't hate Apple, they have rather decent products, however I strongly dislike their ways of marketing and the way they abuse their (imho) way to big list of parents to bully other companies.
That said, if this is true, I suppose I'm happy it didn't go through since, from my understanding, $100 mil in legal disputes could have caused HTC quite some problems.

iridaki said:
Having said that, I hate Apple, they are bullies to say the least.
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Not really.
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Apple get mad

Don't like apple so don't care if they waste their money anyway.

instead of suing every mobile manufacturer on the planet (HTC, Motorola, Samsung...) apple should focus on improving that horrible os they have.

Apple is not compatible to android overall IMHO and therefore has to use the money they make off the fanboys to try to attack the better companies. Let em waste their money.
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I like apple, iphone is cool cause everyone has one. And it has a screen.

Lol not every one has iPhone...
I have a HTC legend and it also has a screen.
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Lol ranger .. XD

grindnmosh said:
Apple is not compatible to android overall IMHO and therefore has to use the money they make off the fanboys to try to attack the better companies. Let em waste their money.
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hamdimo said:
instead of suing every mobile manufacturer on the planet (HTC, Motorola, Samsung...) apple should focus on improving that horrible os they have.
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Fanboys are so annoying.
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I wonder why Apple seems to win every legal dispute in Germany, but not in any other country. News says that courts in Düsseldorf and Mannheim both state, that Samsung/HTC infringes Apple's design rights, which is not patent-related. German law says, that products are not allowed to look the same. So all the judges here think that Samsung's products look the same as those from Apple.
Samsung's and HTC's "counter attack" is about patents, umts technology and such. But the German courts dismiss these technical claims. It's really weird (but nice) to hear that results of these legal disputes are the complete other way 'round in the rest of the world.

MikeyMike01 said:
Fanboys are so annoying.
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Ditto...

The point to me is that Apple's wasting money it could be using to develop better phones and tech with. And at the same time, it's forcing other companies to waste money, time and resources to battle it. That just holds back the industry and stifles innovation.
I used to be a big fan of Apple (not to the extent of being a fanboy) for how smooth their system was and is. But in the past 5 years, with all the DRM issues (starting with the iPod, even though I had one) and locking down their system so you feel you're borrowing your phone from them rather than buying it, and the patent trolling, I'm just getting more and more disillusioned...

*shrug* Feel free to correct me, but hasn't everything here essentially been stolen from the FLOSS community? The only thing these companies even provide anymore is package management and a GUI. For Apple this practice goes back to Darwin and for Google android. I suppose it's possible that the iPhone source is based on Unix (I can't do an audit).
I don't think android leverages much of X11 either.

Motorola makes Apple pull iPads and iPhones in Germany

Now this is interesting for a change
Motorola makes Apple pull iPads and iPhones in Germany
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-16871075
Apple has pulled several iPad and iPhone models from its German online store after Motorola Mobility enforced a patent injunction against its rival.
The move follows a December ruling that Apple had failed to license one of Motorola's wireless intellectual properties
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In the end it is only the consumers that lose...so sad.

Can we stop making google sound like a white knight in the patent case now?

AllGamer said:
Now this is interesting for a change
Motorola makes Apple pull iPads and iPhones in Germany
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-16871075
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It would be except that apple were reallowed to sell them there within hours of the ruling. They never seem to lose even when they do legally lose.
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Apple actually lost a lawsuit? Wow ahahah

SupremeRadicals said:
Apple actually lost a lawsuit? Wow ahahah
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That's what I was thinking! Its a start!
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z33dev33l said:
Can we stop making google sound like a white knight in the patent case now?
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Can we stop being a flame-baiting troll humper now?
This is a motorola case. Not a google case.

Well looks like android (through moto) got revenge for what apple did last year (Galaxy Tab)

Jesushaxyou said:
Can we stop being a flame-baiting troll humper now?
This is a motorola case. Not a google case.
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Fwiw google have to agree to every court case motorola opens so it does actually involve google as they gave the go ahead.
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lowandbehold said:
In the end it is only the consumers that lose...so sad.
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So true
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mistermentality said:
Fwiw google have to agree to every court case motorola opens so it does actually involve google as they gave the go ahead.
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Umm, not really. The purchase has not been approved yet (although it is expected to be). So Google actually has no say in the actions of Motorola at this point in time.

lowandbehold said:
Umm, not really. The purchase has not been approved yet (although it is expected to be). So Google actually has no say in the actions of Motorola at this point in time.
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Yes they do. As part of the in process acquisition by google motorola signed an agreement not to commit to any legal action without googles say so. It's been quoted from on xda and can be found online. I think it was on the patents blog by florrian mueller that I first read it though.
EDIT: http://fosspatents.blogspot.com/2012/01/google-authorized-motorola-to-seek.html quotes said agreement.
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Great moto revenge for what applesauce did last year!

z33dev33l said:
Can we stop making google sound like a white knight in the patent case now?
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Google and it's partners have only filed retaliatory suits against Apple.
Apple is simply getting exactly what it deserves. If they behaved themselves in the first place this would not have happened

its about time somebody kicked apples as* !

rajalm29 said:
its about time somebody kicked apples as* !
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Doesn't this sound ironic?Kicking a fruit's ass?
Anyway,good one,finally.No,Google is no company of saints and non-sinners,but compared to Apple,all others are angels at worst.Yeah,healthy competition is one thing.Patenting something that DOES belong to you is ok too.But patenting the whole ****ing planet because it actually looks like a fruit in shape is outrageous.
To be clear,I am downright against this whole patent thing.It has to stop at some point.It's not like anyone,except for Microsoft at some point,has had any profit from this bull****.Multi-billion companies acting like little girls fighting over who got a pair of shoes first is ridiculous...

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tolis626 said:
Multi-billion companies acting like little girls fighting over who got a pair of shoes first is ridiculous...
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that's indeed exactly what it looks like currently with this flawed patent system

The system is capable. It's the legal teams that are at fault.
Apple is so anti-competitive, it's great to see them get a little payback.

At least motorola is willing to license it's patents. Apple just bans infringing products.

Apple actually failed this time

They tried to get an emergency ban on HTC products, but were denied.
It seems as if Apple is getting scared now.
Check it out
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the comments are hilarious lmao

jianC said:
the comments are hilarious lmao
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Haha they are. Don't get me wrong, I like all manufacturers, including Apple. When you try to stoop that low to remove other devices off the market just because you can, that's just wrong and disgusting.
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They've also lost in the UK
(may have been posted elsewhere, I couldn't find it though)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-18709232
The four patents at stake were:
1. Unlocking a device by performing a gesture on an image.
2. The use of a multilingual keyboard offering different alphabets on portable devices, including mobile phones.
3. A system to determine which elements of a screen were activated by single-finger touches; which were activated multi-finger touches and which ignored touches altogether.
4. Letting a user drag an image beyond its limits and then showing it bounce back into place to illustrate that they had reached its furthest edge.
The judge ruled that the first three patents were invalid in this case, while the fourth did not apply to HTC's devices.
Lawyers fighting other lawsuits against Apple are likely to pay close attention to the decision regarding its slide-to-unlock patent.
The judge said that HTC's "arc unlock" feature - which also involves a predefined gesture along a path shown on-screen - would have infringed Apple's technology had it not been for a device released in 2004.
The Neonode N1 showed a padlock on its screen with the words "right sweep to unlock" when it was in its protected mode. A later version replaced the text with an arrow.
The judge said it would have been an "obvious" improvement for the developers to have offered users visual feedback in the form of a "slider" in the way that Apple later used.
He added that the concept of a "slider" was not new since it had already appeared in Microsoft's CE system.
As a result Apple's claim to the innovation was rejected.
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I know there's at least one intelligent judge in California and one in D.C., but it seems like the rest are all in other countries. Sad that American judges are so clearly biased by the corporate atmosphere of this country. Sadder still that I'm having to talk about all this nonsense on the 4th of July.

MissionImprobable said:
I know there's at least one intelligent judge in California and one in D.C., but it seems like the rest are all in other countries. Sad that American judges are so clearly biased by the corporate atmosphere of this country. Sadder still that I'm having to talk about all this nonsense on the 4th of July.
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Agreed.
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KayxGee1 said:
They tried to get an emergency ban on HTC products, but were denied.
It seems as if Apple is getting scared now.
Check it out
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they are even the one x will probaly beat the frigging daylights out of the i crap 5

paintball23456 said:
they are even the one x will probaly beat the frigging daylights out of the i crap 5
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I wouldn't call it icrap. They are pretty good phones really. Just the company behind them has become "evil".

I will pay 10$ to anyone who will blow an Apple store with a RPG.
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DD-Ripper said:
I will pay 10$ to anyone who will blow an Apple store with a RPG.
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I know you are probably kidding, but common...

snappjay said:
I know you are probably kidding, but common...
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No. Im serious. But nobody would do that for only 10$
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DD-Ripper said:
I will pay 10$ to anyone who will blow an Apple store with a RPG.
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lol i havent got an rpg so can i borrow yours
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DD-Ripper said:
I will pay 10$ to anyone who will blow an Apple store with a RPG.
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$1000 NOOOOO THE APPLE HQ

Couldn't agree more with the majority of the comments. It seems Apple really are getting too big for their boots, and trying to throw their substantial weight around. Pleased to see someone stand up to them and put them in their place, for once.

Can't wait to see Apple patent the air we breathe... and name it iAir which syncs with iCloud and iRain....

TotalManiac said:
Can't wait to see Apple patent the air we breathe... and name it iAir which syncs with iCloud and iRain....
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I know your joking but given that an american company patented dna nothing would surprise me
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DD-Ripper said:
No. Im serious. But nobody would do that for only 10$
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Maybe we could get this guy to do it for free
http://news.cnet.com/8301-17852_3-57465015-71/man-destroys-t-mobile-store-in-a-fit-of-anger/

i think something wroing is going with apple , they are almost against all phones... and i just hate it .

Apples iPhone craze is just a phase. It'll soon be in the closet with our pet rocks and the members only jacket, and the furby( not nearly enough of this met the end to a gun.. who would make such an annoying toy)
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Android VS Apple

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I agree, looking through some Apple Mac Forums and such, I discovered that yes, while there are still the die-hard Apple fans, the majority of them are quite mature with each other. Not so much the case here...There are some that do still provide valuable information yes, and there are some peaceful, mature debates, but there's always that one or two posts saying "I love Android", or "Screw Apple, Android FTW!" etc.
Let's remember guys: This thread was created for the community to come together and peacefully discuss and share their opinions on this matter.There's nothing wrong with being a fan boy, but if you're just going to waste a post saying stuff like this...then don't post it...use that post for something/somewhere else.
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So what do you guys think? Thoughts? Comments?
-Saranhai

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http://rootzwiki.com/news/_/articles/apples-latest-patents-could-spell-doom-for-android-r977
R.I.P Android, you were a great OS, i'm sorry you were destroyed by such a selfish company.
So what do you guys think? Thoughts? Comments?
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def not R.I.P
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Who the **** gave apple those patents?
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How many judges got new cars bought by Apple aftee granting these patents?
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What the ****s going on?? What are these judges smoking man??????????
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saranhai said:
http://rootzwiki.com/news/_/articles/apples-latest-patents-could-spell-doom-for-android-r977
R.I.P Android, you were a great OS, i'm sorry you were destroyed by such a selfish company.
So what do you guys think? Thoughts? Comments?
-Saranhai
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I am focken astonished that Apple has gone this far in ther bullcrap. Doesn't anybody remember Windows Pocket Pc or Windows mobile 2003??? It came out in 2002! When steve jobs was pulling purple and pink imacs out of his ass!
Apple didn't invent smartphones or touchscreens you stupid judges!
I'd rather buy a blackberry or a windows phone, if this is android's end. Never an apple.
One Apple a day?? Eff you lol
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If they still win we will be illegal for using android phones )?
I WILL HAVE TO DESTRUCT MY ANDROID PHONE
WILL THEY FORCE GOOGLE TO DO A BRICK UPDATE
GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR...
APPLE SUCKS AND ALWAYS WILL I WILL NEVER BUY I**** EVEN IF THEY ARE THE BEST
I GUESS BLACKBERRY FOR THE WIN

Can't happen!

In near future Apple will patent Android... :screwy:
This is just ridiculous.
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The next apple patent....
DiHydrogen Monoxide

saranhai said:
http://rootzwiki.com/news/_/articles/apples-latest-patents-could-spell-doom-for-android-r977
R.I.P Android, you were a great OS, i'm sorry you were destroyed by such a selfish company.
So what do you guys think? Thoughts? Comments?
-Saranhai
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Worst case scenario is that usa would have to have a heavily neutered version of the os.
There is prior art that predates the patent application by a year so that could be useful in a court case.
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Will not stop Android, these patents are all completely ridiculous. I also don't understand how they could possibly be granted retrospectively like that. The fact that they apparently have is quite an indictment of the US (?) patent system, in my opinion (dunno if "indictment" is the right word, but it seems right to me).

The sad part is the judges don't know crap. Apple ass hones
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SifJar said:
Will not stop Android, these patents are all completely ridiculous. I also don't understand how they could possibly be granted retrospectively like that. The fact that they apparently have is quite an indictment of the US (?) patent system, in my opinion (dunno if "indictment" is the right word, but it seems right to me).
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They are ridiculous but legal.
Believe it or not the patent even covers widgets, if you read the whole patent it's about half way down. And it covers email, scrolling through lists, stuff people did long before apples patent.
But by specifying a multi touch portable device in their description this patent applies to literally any mobile device and if they were able to find a sympathetic judge such as Judge Koh they could cause problems for victims, I mean people stealing their ideas (oops), of their choosing.
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I think its funny how apple just copy android and they get the credit
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gates was first with tablet pc 10 years ago anyway so whats the prob here?

The great thing about open source is that THEY CANNOT STOP USSSSSSS!!!!!!
If they could then all these proprietary binaries, blobs, apps, frameworks, radios etc etc would have killed the hacking community.
Instead, we fart in their general direction!
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2blackbar said:
gates was first with tablet pc 10 years ago anyway so whats the prob here?
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I'm sorry but most features aren't owned by apple, lots of these existed on windows mobile so apple is basically trying to defend technology that was never theirs to defend. bring Microsoft and it's game over for apple

mistermentality said:
They are ridiculous but legal.
Believe it or not the patent even covers widgets, if you read the whole patent it's about half way down. And it covers email, scrolling through lists, stuff people did long before apples patent.
But by specifying a multi touch portable device in their description this patent applies to literally any mobile device and if they were able to find a sympathetic judge such as Judge Koh they could cause problems for victims, I mean people stealing their ideas (oops), of their choosing.
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Actually the ITC blocking the import of Android devices illegal. They technically do not have the authority to do so. Apple applies to all of these patents under FRAND. So, when they sue, they aren't giving anyone a chance to license the patent. Senators (as of last week) have decided to step in to fix the broken tech patent system, so I don't think this is the end of anything. If Google just throws in the towel and gives up, Apple will clearly have a monopoly (wp7, wp8, RIM have hardly any market share) and then they are screwed as well.

Freedom it is This stupid war will never end.
It kinda reminds me of some old movies, where big Firms own everything.....even the whole Country.......CHEERS .......

Apple adds Samsung's Galaxy S III, Galaxy Note and Galaxy Note 10.1 to patent lawsuit

http://www.engadget.com/2012/08/31/apple-samsung-galaxy-s-iii-galaxy-note-patent-lawsuit/
<----- shaking head

This is ridiculous. Even my don't know anything apple friends know my phone is in no way similar to the iPhone.
Urgh.
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Well apple did invent "the power button" so no one is safe.
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LOL this is getting ridiculous.

LoL apple is going nuts .
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So those f**kers at apple are at it again huh.? It seems like they are not going stop until they wipe android off of the planet. Also how is the S3 similar to the iphone.?

I like Galaxy products though I'm not a big fan of Samsung... But now I hate Apple...

Alien-dx11 said:
So those f**kers at apple are at it again huh.? It seems like they are not going stop until they wipe android off of the planet. Also how is the S3 similar to the iphone.?
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I wonder if eve was alive would she have sued apple ?
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Alien-dx11 said:
So those f**kers at apple are at it again huh.? It seems like they are not going stop until they wipe android off of the planet. Also how is the S3 similar to the iphone.?
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Well as far as I know, it's only the four utility patents that are in question here. I thought universal search was fixed with 4.0 though? I'm pretty sure all of those problems are fixed with 4.1.

theahlenius said:
Well as far as I know, it's only the four utility patents that are in question here. I thought universal search was fixed with 4.0 though? I'm pretty sure all of those problems are fixed with 4.1.
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They should be but seriously, the patents that people can have nowadays are utter ****. "We got a patent on the bounce back from a list". In a movie if someone said that, the audience would be like "Wtf..." but in real life I guess thats fine. A patent on clicking on Email and able to call? Its the most mind boggling retarded thing and of course people think its fine.

Elite49 said:
A patent on clicking on Email and able to call? Its the most mind boggling retarded thing and of course people think its fine.
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agreed. blackberry had that feature too...don't remember apple trying to sue them.

wow the image verification is a pain, im not gunna post much...

vK3o3yAo1Fl1 said:
agreed. blackberry had that feature too...don't remember apple trying to sue them.
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Unified search is a ridiculous one too. Basically just being able to find a search item locally as well as from the web. They've already sued to block the SGS3 with this.
Google had this feature with Google Desktop in 2004- Apple filed after it existed and got the patent for it in 2011.
This whole thing stinks so bad- basically if everyone did what Apple is doing, you can just look around at ANY good idea in any product made by anyone, do a quick sketch up of the idea and apply for a patent- even though you didn't do JACK but look around and see something someone else made and come up with your own version of it. If you're rewarded the patent, you can then sue the person who actually came up with the idea before you did and take their idea! You just have to be first to file for the patent.
This really sucks for innovation, because before, A company might come out with something like Google Desktop and release it without a thought that someone else would patent just the basic idea right out from under them and eventually take them to court and sue them based on their own innovation! But now, that's exactly the kind of crap any company is going to have to consider before it can release new ideas. And heaven forbid you're a startup without armies of patent lawyers and billions to throw around protecting yourself from patent-troll based lawsuits.
Thanks a lot Apple. A-holes.

I still sctratch my head as to why Samsung still supllies parts to Apple for their iPhone. Sure it might be a different division within Samsung but it still carries the Samasung name.
Just goes to show you as long as you pay us we will always do business with you no matter how you treat us. Man, how money talks.....

I've always been a fan of apple computers
Will stop supporting them in that vein now too, what a desperate underhanded company...
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I blame our judicial system more than I do apple. Look at what the other courts are doing with these lawsuits in other countries. They seem to have common sense.
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I still sctratch my head as to why Samsung still supllies parts to Apple for their iPhone. Sure it might be a different division within Samsung but it still carries the Samasung name.
Just goes to show you as long as you pay us we will always do business with you no matter how you treat us. Man, how money talks.....
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Exactly! Further more why is Google even making apps for IOS? It's as obvious as a huge zit on your nose that this about android more than it is Samsung. If HTC was the leading android OEM it would be them in court instead.
What would happen to apple if Samsung and Google stopped supporting them? They're already lagging behind in innovation. The iphone 5 is going to be a joke. It's clear apple is trying to kill both of them but they are acting just like the general public. Support apple no matter what. Smh

ah just posted this too didn't see your post. I hope the iPhone fails I've got a Mac but I don't think ill every buy a apple product again because of all this.
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Scum sucking blow holes

I don't know if it would do any good but maybe we should start a potetion to tell apple they are losing customers because of there pour behavior.
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/apple/9511192/Samsung-may-sue-Apple-over-LTE-technology.html
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