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I have had my Fuze for about 2 weeks. Never dropped it or anything, in fact I baby my phones to the point that the wife makes fun of me for doing so . Anyway, right below the slide-out keyboard, I noticed two small chips about an inch apart from each other. One below the wifi key and one below the internet key. It also looks like the inner lip of that part is also starting to show wear. This is under light to medium use, mind you. I am thinking about exchanging it, however if this is a common problem, I would rather just get a different phone.
Add in the fact it took me a few days to get the phone exactly how I want it. Anyone else having this issue?
I don't think they would admit it if they were.
...just kidding.
As a matter of fact, I found those two chips!
I will have my phone 3 weeks come friday...
You mean you have chips in the exact same spot?
Unless you are withing 30 days, cosmetic damages are not considered valid exchange reasons. Hope you have insurance.
I only had the phone 2 weeks. the guy at the ATT store said to come back tomorrow when a manager was there to do an exchange. Even if I had problems, I paid with American Express. My problem is if it is a design flaw, a replacement would only be a temp. solution.
After reading this thread I looked at mine, which I've had for around two weeks and I also see a small chip right under the 'internet' key.
It's matte black so it does stand out, but I had to look for it.
WTF??
Chip under PTT button
Oh wow, I just noticed a chip right under the internet button. It seems is positioned right under the left side of the PTT when the slider is closed. I baby my phone like nobody's business. Had the Fuze since launch.
Well, if it is a design flaw (which it seems to be) it seems like it is something HTC needs to handle. Exchanging one from ATT will only result in the same thing happening.
yeah i have it too but its soooo small to notice right now and i have had my fuze for about 2 weeks too.
If anybody else is having this issue let us know. This is something that needs to be brought to HTC's attention, especially for a $400 phone.
Mine is also chipping under the OK, CV, spacebar, and Wifi
I am thinking about returning it to AT&T, but hate to have to add everything all over again, especially if the new one will do the same thing. I contacted HTC and suggested I just exchange it...anyone else going to do that as well?
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Mine is also chipping under the OK, CV, spacebar, and Wifi
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I got my Fuze from Amazon less than 2 weeks ago, and am noticing the exact same thing on mine, though the one under the WiFi is the only one you can really see, and even it's hardly noticeable (I never even noticed this until I saw this thread, that should give you an idea of how TINY they area). I'll keep an eye on it, but don't plan to exchange it unless this spreads or the chips get worse.
Edit-I baby mine like crazy too, as do most of you on here it seems. That fact, and the fact it's happening in the SAME spots on everybody's Fuze says to me it's a manufacturing defect, and hopefully this is the extent of it. Thankfully so far it's basically unoticeable, though on a phone at this price level there shouldn't be any such defects, no matter how tiny they may be.
I too hope this is the extent of the defect. If it does get worse, I will just contact HTC and explain the situation.
I second this:
under the internet key, calendar key, very tiny spot under wifi.
As i have babied mine, seems like an design issue as well.
Looking from the side profile, you can see that the surface underneath the volume key are touching the side, so it may be the cause that scratches the surface. Can someone starts off a petition?
I already contacted HTC about this issue, however for now the only option would be to exchange it where you bought it. As I mentioned before, if it is (and I would assume it is) a design flaw, it will just happen again with a new one. The only thing I can think of is waiting to see how extensive the damage becomes and if it gets real bad, to return it to HTC.
I gave HTC a link to this thread as well to show them others are having the same issue.
Same problem here on my Fuze, under the Wifi button. I've also had my phone for a little over two weeks and take extremely good care of it. For the WiFi button area of the phone, the only thing I can see is that this is right where the top line of the lower controls (like the line that separates the screen from the home button) hits. And the phone appears to have enough give that when you push down on the home key it constantly hits there. Thats what I am guessing is doing it.
Just a thought...
Hey guys I am super anal when it comes to my phones so I believe I qualify to make an educated guess about this. lol. First of all I noticed the same exact "chips" very soon after I recieved my phone.
At first I too believed them to be wear marks but after further examination I came to the conclusion that they must be production flaws, such as break off points of the plastic mold or something.
I believe this because I simply havent used the phone enough to cause the marks not to mention the mark under the space bar doesnt ever touch the back of the screen. Seeing as everyone has the marks almost exactly in the same place gives more credence to it being a production flaw.
Now moving on to the more frustrating and serious flaw. If you guys look real close I bet you find dust pieces under the glass and against the lcd. I can live with the chips, but I can't stand the dust.
I'm on my 3rd Fuze for warranty reasons, and the 2nd one I got was returned because of this problem. Does anyone have a good camera to post a macro photo for illustration? I would do it but my current handset does not have this issue (and i hope it never does!)
In regards to the overheating defect causing the newton ring please scroll to the second post on this page
Regarding the newton ring touch screen issue
http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread.php?p=916793#post916793
I'd post it in the TP or Diamond forums, but I know its happened to older models as well.
for those of you that don't want to jump forums here's the posting:
Scroll down to the bold area if you already read the top.
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http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showpost.p...&postcount=338
http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showpost.p...&postcount=339
http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread.php?t=49405
http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread.php?t=66509
http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread...mond+has+worms
Like many of you I also got hit with the newton ring on the screen of my AT&T branded HTC Touch Pro.
HTC said that it was caused by a pressure point and the screen was not flat, not a defect, thus causing the touch function to stop working. Thus, HTC said that I would have to pay $202.50 or .60, to have it repaired.
And after repairing, since we all know what the real problem is, they give you 90 days repair warranty, but since they originally said it was my fault, if it happens again, I'm screwed, yet again!
Obviously, we all know that we baby our phones and would never exact our phone's screens to any amounts of pressure past the screens limit.
And we all know that these phones have a tendency to overheat when used for prolonged periods of time - when used as a GPS in your car and charging simultaneously.
Are we not supposed to use our phones for GPS when it comes with the GPS Antennae installed?
Is it really the consumers fault when I'm sure hundreds of people have experienced the same ugly newton ring rainbow rectangle or circle on their nice new Touch Pro or Diamond screen?
It's outrageous how much these pretty devices cost just to have the screen first get an ugly rainbow rectangle, and then it causes the touch function to die. What if you happen to have the Diamond, and are out alone somewhere, and because of the newton ring, your touch function dies, and you need to call 911 because you need help?! What are you going to do?!? You don't have a slide-out keyboard as a backup!
And what about everyone that's going to buy the Touch Pro 2 and Diamond 2, and everyone that has older HTC models with this same problem? Doesn't it outrage you that this problem still exists, and instead of owning up and creating a better touchscreen that could deal with the overheating, HTC would rather just have us pay them over and over?! Maybe this is how they'll get the funding to make a better screen.......
Here's a bunch of different forums with threads about the same problem to document that tons of people are also having to deal with it; some say HTC repaired under warranty, some say they had to call HTC a bunch of times and complain to get it repaired under warranty, or there's those like me who haven't yet tried calling back because we don't know what to say to get them to repair under warranty and not user abuse:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=439410
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=502271
http://www.sprintusers.com/forum/sho...d.php?t=185986
http://forum.xda-developers.com/show...hlight=rainbow
http://forum.xda-developers.com/show...ight=rectangle -- person sent in their phone and received the same response
http://forum.xda-developers.com/show...ight=rectangle
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=432559
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=428262
http://forum.xda-developers.com/show...ight=rectangle
http://forum.xda-developers.com/show...hlight=rainbow
http://forum.xda-developers.com/show...ht=spot+screen
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=475294
http://forum.xda-developers.com/show...hlight=rainbow the second occurance for this person
they said my screen wasn't flat, maybe they did that themselves?--->
http://www.modaco.com/content/smartp...ntre-problems/
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Ok so can you at least tell me what I need to say to HTC to get it repaired under the warranty? Or am I pretty much cluster-F-ed since they said the screen wasn't flat, which doesn't make any sense whatsoever since I know how much pressure to apply to the screen - BASICALLY NO PRESSURE!
any advice since my phone is currently in Indianapolis at HTC and I only have 9 days left to respond before they charge the $35 and send it back
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ok so HTC originally told me that the screen wasn't flat because it had a pressure point.. well either they did that themselves or, DUH, heat causes things to warp, and I know this whole problem was because the phone was constantly overheating!
Now I just need to know what to say over the phone to have them own up to their damn overheating issue and fix the thing for free!
http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread.php?t=41724&page=51 his phone overheats
http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showpost.php?p=575259&postcount=540
and yes mine gets too hot to hold or touch for that matter when its charging and 1. the screen is on. 2. the screen is on and i'm using gps. 3. the screen is on during a call. 4. the screen is on during a speakerphone call.
so how the heck am I supposed to use the phone while its charging during a call? It gets too hot! The back where the battery resides reaches almost to the point of a burning temperature it feels only a hairline away from burning my hand!
the proof of the Touch Pro's overheating:
http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum-replies-archive.cfm/1076262.html basically my problem
http://forums.verizon.com/vrzn/board/message?board.id=Smartphone&thread.id=1390 read the last post
http://forums.crackberry.com/f21/htc-touch-pro-93498/ its mixed around in posts
http://www.sprintusers.com/forum/archive/index.php/t-179994.html
http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread.php?t=47032
http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread.php?t=56431 DIAMOND AND TP
http://www.engadget.com/2009/02/27/n...s-of-overheat/ scroll to Yankees368 post:
"then why the hell does by HTC Touch Pro (CDMA, Sprint) not get recalled. This thing could cook an egg, and actually stops charging while making a call, as it over heats."
http://www.engadget.com/2009/02/27/...battery?icid=sphere_blogsmith_inpage_engadget SCROLL DOWN TO SCRAPMAKER'S POST:
"My HTC Pro on Sprint easily got to 127F all the time. More than 30 people complained about it too. I guess HTC just doesn't give a damn... It got too hot to hold on regular phone calls. After an hour-long phone call, the battery would be nearly drained, even while plugged into the charger. Radio portion of phone would register 116-127F. I swear I thought the plastic would warp after time. I also thought maybe my phone was defective, so I went through 6 of them until I gave up and went back to my original Touch.My HTC Pro on Sprint easily got to 127F all the time. More than 30 people complained about it too. I guess HTC just doesn't give a damn... It got too hot to hold on regular phone calls. After an hour-long phone call, the battery would be nearly drained, even while plugged into the charger. Radio portion of phone would register 116-127F. I swear I thought the plastic would warp after time. I also thought maybe my phone was defective, so I went through 6 of them until I gave up and went back to my original Touch."
http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showpost.php?p=750539&postcount=46 quoted here:
"I had this issue last week and though the phone was messed up. When I saw this, I laughed so hard my coworkers thought I was crazy. LOL
I went into a Sprint repair store on the weekend and the representative there informed me that while I'm surfing the internet I shouldn't have the charger plugged in. I noticed that while I'm using the phone as a GPS or just talking on the phone while it's on the charger it heats up. WTF... you can't use and charge your phone at the same time? What a Crock... LOL"
REALLY? WE CAN'T CHARGE AND USE THE PHONE AT THE SAME TIME? IS THAT SO? HMMM..MY POINT EXACTLY.
http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showpost.php?p=753675&postcount=60 ouch! i know what he means!
Overheating Diamonds (dont know if they are with or without the heatsync, depends on each person's phone)--
http://www.mobiletoday.co.uk/news.aspx?id=39434&fid=150
http://forums.intomobile.com/htc/79159-htc-touch-diamond-overheated-help-please.html
http://www.sprintusers.com/forum/archive/index.php/t-179994.html
SHADOW-
http://www.htcwiki.com/thread/1152436/Shadow+overheating?t=anon
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ok well today's Monday aka the day I call HTC and attempt to plead my case! Can't believe almost 200 views of the thread and none of you gave any input. Hopefully none of you run into the same problem I'm having!
(keep in mind there was some liquid that snuck under the right side of the screen, BUT MAYBE IT'S BECAUSE THE HEAT MELTED THE SEAL that protects the screen from getting things like rain underneath it).
Ok I called and got this answer:
Pressure point in the middle of the screen caused the rectangle, the liquid on the right side of the screen voids the warranty anyway, we have no way to determine which event happened first.
The tech says that it was clearly caused by a pressure point and was not a battery issue (apparently she did or didn't bring up the overheating battery BEFORE i even mentioned when I called them today, I doubt she did).
Ok so your battery overheats, well I suggest you get a new battery when you get your phone back. (because it's definintely not defective and definitely wouldn't be the reason that 1. the phone warped from the extreme overheating causing the said "pressure point." 2. the overheating may have melted whatever seal that protects the lcd from outside factors like RAIN, thus allowing some liquid to enter the screen)
Many customers read blogs, BUT IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT THE BLOGS SAY because we work on a case by case basis.
Thanks I'm going to have to call you back.
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Oh hell no.
omg my touch also overheats, thanks for informing
Sorry not very constructive post I know but, .....yet another example of p*ss poor HTC manufacturing.
I'm glad I returned my Diamond to the ebay seller I bought it from here in the UK under the "Sales Of Goods Act". At least here in the UK we have proper laws protecting us against this sort of thing, in America your f*cked.
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OK here you go for you UK people (at least I can give you an idea). Sales of Goods Act says that a product must be of "merchantable quality" and it must be "fit for purpose". This issue you guys describes falls under both of these.
1 - Merchantable quality: The device must be of sufficient quality for the price i.e. Cars/motorbikes for example are covered under this for 6 six years - ignore warranty, these are pretty much irrelevant when you compare it to the sales of goods act. The same goes for your phone. Now, its unreasonable to expect a phone to last 6 years however, as many people buy phones on an 18month contract its perfectly acceptable to expect the device to last 18 months. IF IT FAILS IN THIS TIME THROUGH A HARDWARE FAULT AND HAS NOT BEEN MISTREATED, you can return it and ask them to repair it at no cost to yourself. If they don't, take them to small claims court. YOU MUST ask them first though.
2 - Fit for purpose: The phone has a GPS and can be charged whilst on. The device is designed to be used as a navigation tool. If you cannot charge the phone AND use the GPS (i.e. car charger/navigation) then it is NOT FIT FOR THE PURPOSE it was designed for. Note, ANY function the phone can perform and was designed to do, no matter how minor, is covered by this act. You have every right to return the phone for a refund if its unable to perform its designed for functions.
Link regarding Sales of Goods Act
Salient points:
• Wherever goods are bought they must "conform to contract". This means they must be as described, fit for purpose and of satisfactory quality (i.e. not inherently faulty at the time of sale).<<<=== GPS/Overheating issues
• Aspects of quality include fitness for purpose, freedom from minor defects (this would include your GPS/Charging issue), appearance and finish, durability (you must be able to put the phone to your ear without fear of bending the screen) and safety.
I have used the Sales Of Goods act many times and will continue to. Some examples, I returned my Tdiamond to its ebay seller as it wouldn't play music without skipping. I had an argument with my Aprilia dealer regarding my bike (check sig). They insisted it was out of warranty and they wouldn't repair a fault - I then forced the SHOP to repair it under Sales of Goods.
I urge all UK purchases to look up these rules for yourself and look into this. You ARE covered. Return it to the reseller and give them a chance to resolve. Make manufacturers of sh*tty equipment learn that we will not tolerate it.
Monty I couldn't agree with you more about using the Sale of Goods Act. The attempt at 'distancing' themselves from the products they sell, as well as the arrogance inflicted on consumers, by too many retailers, is appalling.
Still the Depression that's coming is going to sort them out in spades, that's for sure, and the Customer will be returned to their proper place in the hierarchy - the top.
You didn't seriously buy a second Aprilia did you? I do love their designs, but after sorting out a lot of problems with my friends Futura (could have been the best touring bike ever that, if not spoiled by chronically underspec wiring, lack of earthing, stuff like that), I wouldn't touch one with a barge pole.
These days I'm sort of superglued to a Honda Hornet 900 (and a little P'd off that Mr Honda has stopped making it) - the 919 as it is known in the States. Possibly the best allround bike I've ever owned. I'd cheerfully jump on that bike and go anywhere, and know it would get me there and also get me back. Also have an amazing V twin as well - a Honda Bros 650 (Hawk in the States), and a PoS BMW (I'll never buy one of them again).
Happy biking mate.
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Still the Depression that's coming is going to sort them out in spades, that's for sure, and the Customer will be returned to their proper place in the hierarchy - the top.....
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Indeed... now is the Darwin time for shops and business.... adapt or collapse.
Maybe this is the time companies like HTC who produce "luxury" items that are poorly made will start suffering and well, either adapt or die.
(and yes I did and it has actually been pretty good even though i'm doing 100miles a day!)
My girlfriend has sent her phone back to Vodafone twice now due to overheating.
It gets progressivly worse each time until the phone gets stuck on the "HTC" white screen.
The problem there is that we send it back, They flash it and they send it back as "Working"
If it happens this time I'm going to demand a new phone because I've had enough!
My BlackStone/Touch HD
Have also a newton Ring... But you can´t see it a lot of times.. But sometimes on really strong sun you can see it when you are looking from another angle
Im having this problem with my new HTC Desire S. My screen is not sitting correctly (not that you notice it that much), but it doesnt sit entirely as it should.
Also, when i choose pictures for my contacts, they start out with being sharp, but then turn sloppy, pixelated. Basicly, my contact photos go from good to bad, the 2nd time i try to call the person.
Now shouldnt i be able to switch phones, at the place where i bought it, considering the phone it self is less than 14 days old. I bought it in a scandinavian telephone/internet/broadband company called "Telia". Any scandinavian fellar out there must know what it is.
Anyways shouldnt i be able to get a new phone?
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Im having this problem with my new HTC Desire S. My screen is not sitting correctly (not that you notice it that much), but it doesnt sit entirely as it should.
Also, when i choose pictures for my contacts, they start out with being sharp, but then turn sloppy, pixelated. Basicly, my contact photos go from good to bad, the 2nd time i try to call the person.
Now shouldnt i be able to switch phones, at the place where i bought it, considering the phone it self is less than 14 days old. I bought it in a scandinavian telephone/internet/broadband company called "Telia". Any scandinavian fellar out there must know what it is.
Anyways shouldnt i be able to get a new phone?
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The screen not sitting properly sounds like a build issue, if it's that noticeable and annoys you, then it may be worth returning the device in an attempt to get a replacement.
I'm guessing that you store your contacts in Google contacts (in the cloud)...pictures losing detail/resolution is a known issue.
Well, about the screen, there is some space between the screen and the plastic on the left side, where it sits tight on the right. What im saying is, the screen is sitting more to the right.
About the contact issue, i guess im doing the google contact thing, but i cant say. What you described about pictures loosing detail/res is excactly what im experiencing.
So with this info you just got here, shouldnt i be able to get a replacement?
And i dont know if its just me being paranoid, but i might think that my general picture quality has fallen as well, since i got the phone.
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Well, about the screen, there is some space between the screen and the plastic on the left side, where it sits tight on the right. What im saying is, the screen is sitting more to the right.
About the contact issue, i guess im doing the google contact thing, but i cant say. What you described about pictures loosing detail/res is excactly what im experiencing.
So with this info you just got here, shouldnt i be able to get a replacement?
And i dont know if its just me being paranoid, but i might think that my general picture quality has fallen as well, since i got the phone.
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If you can see light coming from backlight from the sides/edges/gaps in a dark room (as some users have experienced on this forum) then I'd certainly try to get a replacement, otherwise as it won't affect the phones operation you could just live with it, but it's your call...depends if its going to bug you going forward.
When you say general picture quality, if you mean screen, its probably just getting dirty and smeared with finger prints...etc...looks dull after use compared to pristine perfection out of the box when new.
Hi all,
I've had 7 Transformers tested for defects before I ended up with a decent one (So I thought!).
The first 3 tablets had dust beneath the screen so I didn't bother testing them for any other issues (In fact I wasn't even aware of other issues at that time).
After that I decided to wait for the Tab 10.1 but when I learned they stripped it of all extendability options I decided to give the Transformer another go.
After picking up another it seemed fine in the store but when I got home it had very noticeable screen bleeding at the left bottom (extending towards the center).
After showing the device to a friend, which had bought one as well, we noticed that mine had a yellow tinted screen and was much less bright than his one (He had a B7 version, mine was a B8).
After swapping mine over for another at the store, we unboxed 3 more to find a decent one that had an acceptable light bleeding amount (They all had it, some even worse than my initial one).
I ended up with a B8 again, it also had the yellow tinted screen, which I accepted for the lack of a better one and it didn't bother me too much to exchange it.
But after playing with it for a while I noticed that whenever a static screen stays on longer than 5 minutes it would get burned in (Image retention) and dissipate in approximately the same time as it took to get there (The longer the worse).
After drawing for about 45 minutes I could had the drawing as background on the setting screen, browsing the market and getting a drink left me with the complete market and app icons on every grey screen, my jaw just dropped...
Anyone else encountered this issue?
After talking to my friend about it, his B7 seemed to not having this issue at all, but a new one he bought for his uncle (Also a B8 with the yellow screen) did suffer from this as well. He even let it run over night and was left with his home screen on every screen for a couple of hours!
It really bothers me that this device had so much issues. It's a great device otherwise, but the QC sucks big time, a shame really!
How long does the images stay on the screen? I was playing games for like one hour and I notice this issue too, however, after I left the tablet off for a few minutes, the retention disappeared.
It depends on how long the static image has been displayed in my experience.
I've seen it stay on for minutes gradually dissolving in the grey background.
Here's another screen shot made with SketchBook from Autodesk (Great tool BTW). I was drawing for let's say 45 minutes and this is what happened after I saved the picture (It's supposed to be grey!).
reasonNL said:
It depends on how long the static image has been displayed in my experience.
I've seen it stay on for minutes gradually dissolving in the grey background.
Here's another screen shot made with SketchBook from Autodesk (Great tool BTW). I was drawing for let's say 45 minutes and this is what happened after I saved the picture (It's supposed to be grey!).
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wow, quick ask for RMA dude
I all ready contacted Asus support, haven't heard back from them yet though.
I'm going to contact the the supplier as well..
Does nobody else encounter this?
If so..
Which revision do you have?
What color temp does you screen have (yellow tinted)?
To make it happen, just let the screen on for at least 5 minutes (the longer the better) on a static contrast rich image for example a search page in the market.
Open settings and check if it looks anything like the last picture from the first post.
Which country did you buy all these B8 models from please? Not heard of any B8's before now.
I have a B7 model and have not experienced any of the issues you are experiencing. The only issue that seems to be present on my TF is the browser force closing somewhat often.
I wonder if the software mods made to the B8 models is affecting the screen retention and yellow hue. From everything I have seen online it seems those of us that got B7 models are very fortunate. Please keep us updated what resolutions Asus support presents you with.
Sent from my Nexus S 4G using XDA App
It's being sold in the Netherlands for at least a couple of weeks now.
I've came across another forum where people were talking about the yellow screen as well:
(Can't post links so search in google for "yellow screen asus transformer" and click on the transformerforums link.)
Although they are talking about a B6 and B7 revision. It seems to be the same issue, nothing about the retention issue though.
I did notice however that someone wrote that his B7 has a rounded MicroSD card slot which only appeared over here on the B8, the B7's MicroSD slot still has the same appearance as the other slots on the device and dock.
Even the the link to the other forum they mention that the B7 has the yellow tinted screen which in my experience isn't the case. Maybe there B7 is our B8?
Overal the B8 seems to be better build, no cracking, no scuff marks on the black rim, rounded MicroSD slot, it seems to be somewhat lighter as well.
But unfortunately the screen seems to be crap as I've seen 3 B8's having the same yellow tinted screen.
Asus hasn't responded yet, but the re-seller did.
Still haven doubts about exchanging it for a B7, if still available, (Or B9?) or try my luck with another brand.
Here are some B8 and B7 comparison shots. Guess there is no need to say which one is which.
(Spoiler: Left B8, Right B7)
I'm returning mine tomorrow as agreed with the store. Asus wasn't much help and only replied with a common reaction saying they do everything to eliminate the growing pains of this product. (Kinda weird since they introduce this issue in a new badge since the B7 has a way better screen)
So to all B8 owner, check your screen and return is to the store if affected. Don't put up with bad QC and poor (probably cheaper) replacement parts!
First image was displayed on both devices for approx. 15 minutes. The other display the screen after this time with the home screen (grey background) and the save dialog of SketchBook Express.
You know I noticed this problem for the first time today, my TF is B4
Mine was the time on the home screen staying for a few seconds after I opened an app
Not impressed this is happening after 1 week
Does you screen have a yellow hue?
The thread on transformerforums also mentioned different badges (B6 and B7) having this screen. Every B7 I've seen so far has the nice looking screen, all B8's had the yellow ****ty one.
Guess the screen are used in all badges. It should be somehow made detectable without having another one for comparison, any ideas?
No my screen is perfect coloured, everything is fine except for this retension I noticed today
I hope it is nothing serious and will always disappear after a while
magicdave26 said:
No my screen is perfect coloured, everything is fine except for this retension I noticed today
I hope it is nothing serious and will always disappear after a while
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I didn't notice the screen color tint myself as well, just when I saw a B7 next to it in comparison I noticed the difference even though the B7 tends to be more purplish then real white, it is way better calibrated.
It does seems to be something you'll have to put up with, depending on how long a image persists on the screen, but it always dissipates in a couple of minutes (again depending on the time it stayed on the screen in the first place) and I haven't seen it get worse nor less over time.
You could except and live with it, but in my opinion it gives a manufacturer, in this case Asus, the means to sell "defective" products, which we shouldn't accept!
It's not like you got as a present after you bought honey from a supermarket.
Yea I agree, its not something we should just accept, but I have a feeling there will be no solution to the problem other than getting a refund and waiting for the TF2 or getting a different Tablet.
I expect there is some issues with all of these screens, Light bleed, Image Retention etc
I doubt getting a new one from the company would solve it, more chances of getting one with even more problems.
The device is under warranty for a year minimum, so in 6-10 months we can return them as faulty under warranty and grab a better new model so I`m not too bothered just yet. In 10 months the wow factor will have worn off and we will be looking at newer faster ones anyway.
Just returned mine and checked one more to find massive bleeding again. So it's a refund for me. The B8 had light bleed as well but it was "acceptable" since it was only noticeable in very dark conditions the retention was just not acceptable too me.
There are good ones which have almost no issues whatsoever, getting one is pretty hard though.
The fact that there are so much differences between the same product only acknowledge my suspicion that Asus isn't able to cope with the demand and it's quite obvious the QC is being left out completely and they revert to other suppliers for parts to keep up with it.
Well when it comes to warranty, Asus has a very bad track record here in Europe. Better buy a new one since the probability of getting it back even worse is very high, essentially getting caught in an endless loop.
I don't refer product quality based on probable usage time, but based on price point.
And it's not cheap!
I'll maybe check stock again in a month or so (B9, B10), if I haven't decided to buy another brand. A shame it's a nice concept, but bad realization.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/hghivtnkhejph4r/P1010443.JPG
On top is my Galaxy Note II, and on the bottom is my Galaxy Note 3. Not sure if it's all devices or its just on some including mine. It is adjusted by firmware as other galaxy models have demonstrated in the past, so I think it will probably be adjusted in a firmware update in the future, but I just thought I would share. I had my device on at full brightness with auto adjust screen tones off. Then I took a 15 second exposure on my DSLR to confirm that at least "2", and "1" are indeed crushed, and the pixels representing the block for those numbers emit no light at all.
The mess around the numbers are probably jpeg artifacts.
I got the file from an old Galaxy Note (1) thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1559800
Here's a copy of the file. It may look mostly black, but it's not. You would need to look at it in a dark room to see it on maximum brightness.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/4fale5naqlpbwei/gammatest-xda.png
I dont understand these stupid threads that pop up every time a device shows up, every single time a freakin new device comes up, some guys start putting the screen under the microscope to check for inconsistencies. Whats the point of this? Does your screen look nice when you use it? YES IT DOES, then why scrutinize every single little aspect of it just to show it has some imperfection? Ridiculous
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I dont understand these stupid threads that pop up every time a device shows up, every single time a freakin new device comes up, some guys start putting the screen under the microscope to check for inconsistencies. Whats the point of this? Does your screen look nice when you use it? YES IT DOES, then why scrutinize every single little aspect of it just to show it has some imperfection? Ridiculous
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I know, right?!
I also don't understand how some guys who see a "pointless" thread have the need to take actual time from their supposedly busy lives to bash the threads instead of simply moving on with their lives, understanding that they aren't the standard-setters for what is or isn't important to other people.
Not this again, I remember people bleeting about this in the S2 days, if it does have a small issue, who cares, it's not like your TV where you watch media on it all the while you're at home. Think I can cope with the small issue with occasional film I may watch on it.
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Before everyone freaks out, here's some background. The issue OP's discussing has been around since the first AMOLED display. It's varied in severity on different models of Samsung phones.
Here's a SGS3 vs. N2 comparison done by SuperCurio...
Here's the video with SuperCurio explaining the issue...
Here's OP's N2 vs. N3 comparison...
Compared to other Samsung devices the issue on the N3 is relatively minor. It can also vary from display to display and updates have impacted it before. As OP said, the issue's pretty minor on the N3; at least to compared to some of Samsung's other phones. OP, is the device you're using pre-release or production (retail)?
It is what it is. From what's been shown I'm not concerned. Let's see some more sample's from production phones from different regions before we all freak out.
polish_pat said:
I dont understand these stupid threads that pop up every time a device shows up, every single time a freakin new device comes up, some guys start putting the screen under the microscope to check for inconsistencies. Whats the point of this? Does your screen look nice when you use it? YES IT DOES, then why scrutinize every single little aspect of it just to show it has some imperfection? Ridiculous
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I totally agree with you !
polish_pat said:
I dont understand these stupid threads that pop up every time a device shows up, every single time a freakin new device comes up, some guys start putting the screen under the microscope to check for inconsistencies. Whats the point of this? Does your screen look nice when you use it? YES IT DOES, then why scrutinize every single little aspect of it just to show it has some imperfection? Ridiculous
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Hey I'm glad the OP posted it. I'm spending $700+ on this device, I would like to know every software glitch, every hardware imperfection, any flaws major or minor exposed. Just because it's Samsung's top of the line phone doesn't mean it deserves a free pass from scrutiny like it's some paragon of hardware excellence.
I don't get why people get so defensive about a piece of electronic. Ya'll working for Samsung's engineering department or what?
Thanks for letting us know, Mike. Hope to see more youtube videos from you about the note3.
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Hey I'm glad the OP posted it. I'm spending $700+ on this device, I would like to know every software glitch, every hardware imperfection, any flaws major or minor exposed. Just because it's Samsung's top of the line phone doesn't mean it deserves a free pass from scrutiny like it's some paragon of hardware excellence.
I don't get why people get so defensive about a piece of electronic. Ya'll working for Samsung's engineering department or what?
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Even when you buy a 5000$ laptop, screen bleeding and dead pixels will be there and they are accepted as being an industry standard. The real issue is it doesnt affect in any way how you use or enjoy the device, so why complain. All devices i had, had an XDA thread with hundreds of people that compalined about greens that are too green, or "blobs" for those that had an S3....its ridiculous. Thats how screens are made, they arent perfect
This post brings me back those very unpleasent memories of black clipping which suffered my first Samsung Galaxy Note.(quivering)
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Even when you buy a 5000$ laptop, screen bleeding and dead pixels will be there and they are accepted as being an industry standard. The real issue is it doesnt affect in any way how you use or enjoy the device, so why complain. All devices i had, had an XDA thread with hundreds of people that compalined about greens that are too green, or "blobs" for those that had an S3....its ridiculous. Thats how screens are made, they arent perfect
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accepted by you maybe... I'd make them eat the laptop if they didn't give me what was advertised.
and in daily use when are you going to notice this? i had a note 2 for 6 months and didnt have an issue. you guys get too worried and worked up about such little stuff
Dan37tz said:
Hey I'm glad the OP posted it. I'm spending $700+ on this device, I would like to know every software glitch, every hardware imperfection, any flaws major or minor exposed. Just because it's Samsung's top of the line phone doesn't mean it deserves a free pass from scrutiny like it's some paragon of hardware excellence.
I don't get why people get so defensive about a piece of electronic. Ya'll working for Samsung's engineering department or what?
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I agree. It's more so awareness rather than complaining about it. To be blindsided with issues post purchase would be worse than knowing walking into it
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accepted by you maybe... I'd make them eat the laptop if they didn't give me what was advertised.
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Its not accepted by me, its an industry standard. Do you know what that means? ISO certification of screen allow 3-5 dead pixels and screen bleeding
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I don't get why people get so defensive about a piece of electronic. Ya'll working for Samsung's engineering department or what?
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It's not the "what," it's the "how." I'm tired of scintillating thread titles declaring the end of the world as we know it backed up by little evidence or circumstantial opinion as their basis. Your "the N3 lags like the SGS4" thread comes to mind. You started it based on something you saw in an Italian review that turned out to be the opposite of what you posted once it was translated by an Italian XDA member.
I do agree with you though. I want to know what the issues (and there are bound to be issues) with the N3 are. But I'd like some context (when, where, how many, and how often) to go along with them so I can figure out what they'll mean to me. Spoiler alert: if I have to lock myself in a dark room and adjust settings to levels I'd never normally use to replicate a problem then, for me, it's not a problem. Of course YMMV.
This thread's a good example of how to introduce an issue. OP titled the thread "minor" rather than using "OMG!!!" and "THIS IS AWFUL!!!" and posted documentation to support what he found. That leaves it up to the audience to form their own opinions. And whether it's what OP posted or other issues that have been discussed the friggin' phone isn't even in people's hands yet. So disaster could be on the horizon in a number of areas but it's a bit too early to declare "the sky is falling."
Peace out.
Adapt display
I saw an "adapt display" option in this Note 3 video: http://youtu.be/S2Yr7PvgKQw?t=8m52s
Do you think calibrating the screen with it would solve the problem?
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I saw an "adapt display" option in this Note 3 video: http://youtu.be/S2Yr7PvgKQw?t=8m52s
Do you think calibrating the screen with it would solve the problem?
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adapt display has nothing to do with calibration, just like in the S4, it just changes color saturation
I can't believe u ****s are still buying Samsung phone since u know they have black crush issue.if amoled bothers u so much,why buy Samsung phone.u can go buy HTC of lg.every device have some issues even ur beloved I phones.stop with these stupid threads.if you have to find faults with microscopes then tell everyone to check their phones.only reason I'm posting because of some people want perfect phone keep calling for warranty replacement and when I have real issue with my phone then att gives me hard time replacing it.
mintu123 said:
I can't believe u ****s are still buying Samsung phone since u know they have black crush issue.if amoled bothers u so much,why buy Samsung phone.u can go buy HTC of lg.every device have some issues even ur beloved I phones.stop with these stupid threads.if you have to find faults with microscopes then tell everyone to check their phones.only reason I'm posting because of some people want perfect phone keep calling for warranty replacement and when I have real issue with my phone then at gives me hard time replacing it.
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would you mind me quoting/linking your post to my signature?
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Its not accepted by me, its an industry standard. Do you know what that means? ISO certification of screen allow 3-5 dead pixels and screen bleeding
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Thank god industry standard just means how much they can get away with before enough people feed their laptops back to them. Never take crap laying down. Always complain if you feel like something's not right. How else would things change for the better?