Hi all,
I've had 7 Transformers tested for defects before I ended up with a decent one (So I thought!).
The first 3 tablets had dust beneath the screen so I didn't bother testing them for any other issues (In fact I wasn't even aware of other issues at that time).
After that I decided to wait for the Tab 10.1 but when I learned they stripped it of all extendability options I decided to give the Transformer another go.
After picking up another it seemed fine in the store but when I got home it had very noticeable screen bleeding at the left bottom (extending towards the center).
After showing the device to a friend, which had bought one as well, we noticed that mine had a yellow tinted screen and was much less bright than his one (He had a B7 version, mine was a B8).
After swapping mine over for another at the store, we unboxed 3 more to find a decent one that had an acceptable light bleeding amount (They all had it, some even worse than my initial one).
I ended up with a B8 again, it also had the yellow tinted screen, which I accepted for the lack of a better one and it didn't bother me too much to exchange it.
But after playing with it for a while I noticed that whenever a static screen stays on longer than 5 minutes it would get burned in (Image retention) and dissipate in approximately the same time as it took to get there (The longer the worse).
After drawing for about 45 minutes I could had the drawing as background on the setting screen, browsing the market and getting a drink left me with the complete market and app icons on every grey screen, my jaw just dropped...
Anyone else encountered this issue?
After talking to my friend about it, his B7 seemed to not having this issue at all, but a new one he bought for his uncle (Also a B8 with the yellow screen) did suffer from this as well. He even let it run over night and was left with his home screen on every screen for a couple of hours!
It really bothers me that this device had so much issues. It's a great device otherwise, but the QC sucks big time, a shame really!
How long does the images stay on the screen? I was playing games for like one hour and I notice this issue too, however, after I left the tablet off for a few minutes, the retention disappeared.
It depends on how long the static image has been displayed in my experience.
I've seen it stay on for minutes gradually dissolving in the grey background.
Here's another screen shot made with SketchBook from Autodesk (Great tool BTW). I was drawing for let's say 45 minutes and this is what happened after I saved the picture (It's supposed to be grey!).
reasonNL said:
It depends on how long the static image has been displayed in my experience.
I've seen it stay on for minutes gradually dissolving in the grey background.
Here's another screen shot made with SketchBook from Autodesk (Great tool BTW). I was drawing for let's say 45 minutes and this is what happened after I saved the picture (It's supposed to be grey!).
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wow, quick ask for RMA dude
I all ready contacted Asus support, haven't heard back from them yet though.
I'm going to contact the the supplier as well..
Does nobody else encounter this?
If so..
Which revision do you have?
What color temp does you screen have (yellow tinted)?
To make it happen, just let the screen on for at least 5 minutes (the longer the better) on a static contrast rich image for example a search page in the market.
Open settings and check if it looks anything like the last picture from the first post.
Which country did you buy all these B8 models from please? Not heard of any B8's before now.
I have a B7 model and have not experienced any of the issues you are experiencing. The only issue that seems to be present on my TF is the browser force closing somewhat often.
I wonder if the software mods made to the B8 models is affecting the screen retention and yellow hue. From everything I have seen online it seems those of us that got B7 models are very fortunate. Please keep us updated what resolutions Asus support presents you with.
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It's being sold in the Netherlands for at least a couple of weeks now.
I've came across another forum where people were talking about the yellow screen as well:
(Can't post links so search in google for "yellow screen asus transformer" and click on the transformerforums link.)
Although they are talking about a B6 and B7 revision. It seems to be the same issue, nothing about the retention issue though.
I did notice however that someone wrote that his B7 has a rounded MicroSD card slot which only appeared over here on the B8, the B7's MicroSD slot still has the same appearance as the other slots on the device and dock.
Even the the link to the other forum they mention that the B7 has the yellow tinted screen which in my experience isn't the case. Maybe there B7 is our B8?
Overal the B8 seems to be better build, no cracking, no scuff marks on the black rim, rounded MicroSD slot, it seems to be somewhat lighter as well.
But unfortunately the screen seems to be crap as I've seen 3 B8's having the same yellow tinted screen.
Asus hasn't responded yet, but the re-seller did.
Still haven doubts about exchanging it for a B7, if still available, (Or B9?) or try my luck with another brand.
Here are some B8 and B7 comparison shots. Guess there is no need to say which one is which.
(Spoiler: Left B8, Right B7)
I'm returning mine tomorrow as agreed with the store. Asus wasn't much help and only replied with a common reaction saying they do everything to eliminate the growing pains of this product. (Kinda weird since they introduce this issue in a new badge since the B7 has a way better screen)
So to all B8 owner, check your screen and return is to the store if affected. Don't put up with bad QC and poor (probably cheaper) replacement parts!
First image was displayed on both devices for approx. 15 minutes. The other display the screen after this time with the home screen (grey background) and the save dialog of SketchBook Express.
You know I noticed this problem for the first time today, my TF is B4
Mine was the time on the home screen staying for a few seconds after I opened an app
Not impressed this is happening after 1 week
Does you screen have a yellow hue?
The thread on transformerforums also mentioned different badges (B6 and B7) having this screen. Every B7 I've seen so far has the nice looking screen, all B8's had the yellow ****ty one.
Guess the screen are used in all badges. It should be somehow made detectable without having another one for comparison, any ideas?
No my screen is perfect coloured, everything is fine except for this retension I noticed today
I hope it is nothing serious and will always disappear after a while
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No my screen is perfect coloured, everything is fine except for this retension I noticed today
I hope it is nothing serious and will always disappear after a while
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I didn't notice the screen color tint myself as well, just when I saw a B7 next to it in comparison I noticed the difference even though the B7 tends to be more purplish then real white, it is way better calibrated.
It does seems to be something you'll have to put up with, depending on how long a image persists on the screen, but it always dissipates in a couple of minutes (again depending on the time it stayed on the screen in the first place) and I haven't seen it get worse nor less over time.
You could except and live with it, but in my opinion it gives a manufacturer, in this case Asus, the means to sell "defective" products, which we shouldn't accept!
It's not like you got as a present after you bought honey from a supermarket.
Yea I agree, its not something we should just accept, but I have a feeling there will be no solution to the problem other than getting a refund and waiting for the TF2 or getting a different Tablet.
I expect there is some issues with all of these screens, Light bleed, Image Retention etc
I doubt getting a new one from the company would solve it, more chances of getting one with even more problems.
The device is under warranty for a year minimum, so in 6-10 months we can return them as faulty under warranty and grab a better new model so I`m not too bothered just yet. In 10 months the wow factor will have worn off and we will be looking at newer faster ones anyway.
Just returned mine and checked one more to find massive bleeding again. So it's a refund for me. The B8 had light bleed as well but it was "acceptable" since it was only noticeable in very dark conditions the retention was just not acceptable too me.
There are good ones which have almost no issues whatsoever, getting one is pretty hard though.
The fact that there are so much differences between the same product only acknowledge my suspicion that Asus isn't able to cope with the demand and it's quite obvious the QC is being left out completely and they revert to other suppliers for parts to keep up with it.
Well when it comes to warranty, Asus has a very bad track record here in Europe. Better buy a new one since the probability of getting it back even worse is very high, essentially getting caught in an endless loop.
I don't refer product quality based on probable usage time, but based on price point.
And it's not cheap!
I'll maybe check stock again in a month or so (B9, B10), if I haven't decided to buy another brand. A shame it's a nice concept, but bad realization.
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Received my replacement transformer the other day and thought it was OK on initial inspection, in a darkened room.
But actually, when you pump the brightness up to full, looking at a black screen (downloaded a black jpeg to test it as in the galley app the software buttons fade out so you get a true picture) it is actually no better than the one I sent back.
So my question is, using that system - black jpeg, full brightness, is there anyone out there who has no light bleed, particularly around the bottom left hand corner?
Cos if there is, it looks like this baby is going back to Comet for a second replacement, and if everyone has it, then I guess I will have to assume its a manufacturing 'feature' and just live with it.
Cheers for your help folks.
Sent from my Transformer using...... fingers.
Glad there is somebody know knows how to test a LCD light bleed properly.
I have the exact same issue. Maybe its part of the design.
J
Check my post in the other light bleed thread. I'd be happy to explain more if you'd like: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=13478882&postcount=111
I did everything you said, and see no light bleed in mine. I just got mine today.
I did everything you said, and see no light bleed in mine. I just got mine today.
Has anyone noticed a problem with going from manual brightness to auto, and it not auto adjusting?
No light bleed here.
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Zero light bleed for me as well.
at a very extreme angle i can see a little near the camera. doesn't bother me, i would have never noticed
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Received my replacement transformer the other day and thought it was OK on initial inspection, in a darkened room.
But actually, when you pump the brightness up to full, looking at a black screen (downloaded a black jpeg to test it as in the galley app the software buttons fade out so you get a true picture) it is actually no better than the one I sent back.
So my question is, using that system - black jpeg, full brightness, is there anyone out there who has no light bleed, particularly around the bottom left hand corner?
Cos if there is, it looks like this baby is going back to Comet for a second replacement, and if everyone has it, then I guess I will have to assume its a manufacturing 'feature' and just live with it.
Cheers for your help folks.
Sent from my Transformer using...... fingers.
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I mean... you went through all that to find a defect? I know that we all want the perfect device but how often will the light bleed actually affect us?
I think I also have light bleed but I had to tilt the damn thing to find it and it seemed perfectly fine before reading these posts.
Does it really bother you that much that you're even willing to go through the hassle of exchanging it?
I first noticed it when I booted the tablet with the lights out in the room. I don't have any issues in normal use and it doesn't bother me enough that I'd want to send it back.
I just got my 32GB. I didn't notice it during the daytime, but at night I do see a little towards the top. But not to the point where it bothers me.
Got a couple of small spots along the bottom that i could live with only noticeable if you have light off and brightness at full, one of the corners has quite bad bleed, can see it on darkish screens without even turning lights off or even down.
Considering whether to return it.
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I mean... you went through all that to find a defect? I know that we all want the perfect device but how often will the light bleed actually affect us?
I think I also have light bleed but I had to tilt the damn thing to find it and it seemed perfectly fine before reading these posts.
Does it really bother you that much that you're even willing to go through the hassle of exchanging it?
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'All that' is not really all that to be honest. I downloaded a black jpeg and looked at it whilst sat here watching the telly, took about 30 seconds in all to show up a significant level of light leaking in from the bottom corner.
If you have to tilt your unit to find any light then its not going to be a problem for you. On mine it casts a glow on the bottom corner when I am sat with it on my lap in a normal living room with the table lamp on.
For me there is nothing wrong with wanting a perfect device, I am pretty sure that's what I paid for. Had it not been perfect then Comet would have it marked as 'seconds, and would have charged me quite a bit less.
As it is, it arrived direct from the factory with this defect, and as I have said before, on a £100 cheapie off eBay I would probably put up with it, but not at 400 quid.
Add to this, unless Asus receives units back to their factory with these issues pointed out they will be unaware of the problem and have no incentive to tighten up their manufacturing process.
I don't know what is going on over in the US, but I do know they are far less accepting of poor service/goods than we are in the UK, and if these problems exist in units being shipped over there they will be flying back to Asus at a great rate of knots, and this is with the Us Transformer costing CONSIDERABLY less than it does over here.
If you have a good one, I am happy for you, and slightly envious of you. I wish I did.
On the blue boot screen or setting screen there is massive light bleeding on right and left side (about 2 inches wide). However, when there is an image on the screen it looks fine. Unfortunately I don't have a wireless connection at home so I haven't tried putting any movies or 'black' jpegs on the device for further testing; but will do so tomorrow. My hope is that when playing movies it looks fine and if so I won't worry about it. Screen has good fidelity; speakers seem decent and unit feels lighter than the acer/xoom. Also build doesn't seem that bad.
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So far only immediate reactions are: Why didn't amazon put something in the shipping box like bubble wrap and what the @!#)(* no charging light? Even my $10 cell phone has a charging light.
I asked Asus phone support. They said there should be NO light bleed. I said a couple of times that mine is very slight, from the lower left corner, and he repeated that there shouldn't be any at all and that I should get a replacement.
I'm requesting a replacement anyway as my compass is broken, hopefully I can get one into my local Comet store so I can see for myself first.
A picture, as they say, paints a thousand words.
(and just to rub salt in the wound, discovered the gap along the side of the screen mentioned in another thread! 'Hello, is that Comet? I have something I need to discuss.....')
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80pSCclf9Eg
Light bleed here as well
Just wanted to chime in and say I have it too. At first I didn't notice it because I had just got it.. but after a while I found my eye being drawn down to the edges where there was light bleeding through. Its an unwelcome distraction and this unite will no doubt be exchanged for another one.
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I did everything you said, and see no light bleed in mine. I just got mine today.
Has anyone noticed a problem with going from manual brightness to auto, and it not auto adjusting?
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Auto adjusting works when you turn the screen off then back on.
i feel all of you. One time I bought a car and one of the tire pressures was off by the time I got home. I took the car back to the dealer several times til they got the tire pressures right on all four tires. Took a month to get it right. The nerve of these manufacturers.
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i feel all of you. One time I bought a car and one of the tire pressures was off by the time I got home. I took the car back to the dealer several times til they got the tire pressures right on all four tires. Took a month to get it right. The nerve of these manufacturers.
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No, this is more like buying a new car and your car doors or windows not shutting fully.
that is the question. I've been using my 32 GB Transformer since it arrived on May 12, and I have to say that overall I'm a huge fan. Since I have seen so much on these boards about the various QC issues, I gave my tablet the once-over almost immediately. The speakers seem fine, no SoD, etc. The only defects I found were about 4 points of light along the left and bottom of the tablet when held in landscape. These show up at about 80-100% brightness with a dark background (not a black jpg), and are not terribly invasive. However, as I use the tablet more, it is a bit annoying just to know they're there. I've also experienced a bit of screen flicker (only with Angry Birds so far), but suspect that this may be more of a software/rendering issue. So the question I have to ask myself is "Do I send it back?" I've heard a number of stories on these boards and elsewhere of people who RMA'ed, waited, and got back a poorer product than they started with. I can live with a little light bleed, but I'm not sure I want to. Any thoughts? Thanks in advance.
--SemTechie
I'm kind of in the same boat. I've got a single hot pixel and obvious light bleed that is mainly noticable with black/dark backgrounds. If I send it back to the retailer I could end up waiting a month or MORE for a replacement that may have the same or worse issues. And then what happens? Would the retailer take it back and keep this back-and-forth game up till I recieved a tablet that has no isses? I doubt it. I'm thinking that maybe I should call Asus and see what they have to say about the backlight bleed on the tablet.
No matter what you do you will be taken care of, if you RMA it now or in 6 months from now. Asus has great warranty support. They even pay for the shipping away to them for RMA. Most companies make you eat that cost.
Seems like the QC issues are widespread throughout the TF supply, which means the manufacturing process is flawed / needs correction. So, RMA'ing now might not yield good results. Might be better to wait a couple months to RMA, assuming that ASUS would actually address and correct the QC issues.
I've noticed some light bleed in a couple spots when cranking up the brightness, but since I don't usually have the brightness over 50% and I don't tend to stare at black backgrounds I'm just brushing it off....for now. When I read that customers are getting TF's RMA'd w/ new TF's w/out any issues, then I'll consider RMA'ing.
I am also waiting to RMA.
My HDMI port is really unreliable and the connection will be detected and dropped constantly if you touch it at all. If you jiggle it just the right way it will immediately put the tab into a SOD. I've already called ASUS to get the issue on record but I told them I'm waiting to RMA until after I've heard of other's successfully repair experiences.
I only have very minor light bleed and a tiny creak in the top left of the chassis, both a non-issues but the HDMI port sucking really bothers me.
Light bleed is pretty common to bigger ips displays. Do a search for iPad light bleed and you will see what I mean.
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However, as I use the tablet more, it is a bit annoying just to know they're there.
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This is exactly the problem. People go looking for trouble, and trouble is what they'll find.
I'm having same issue. At first I didnt' want to think of it and didn't try to look for it. But whenever I start some apps and the screen is dark. I can see som light bleed on the side and one very annoying one in the middle of the screen about an inch long. I can live with the sides...but in the middle of the screen is pretty hard to accept.
Anyone notice some issues with the display showing some ghosting/persistence of the previous image when switching to a display/app with a very gray color such as the Amazon Appstore app? Easiest way I can see is when I load up something like the Android market, let it sit for 5 or so seconds, then load up the Amazon Appstore (it helps to have them previously loaded so you can just switch between the two), you can see some lines and images left over from the Android Market in the grey areas in the Amazon Appstore. For me it's easiest to see under the 'My Apps' part as there is a lot of gray.
This seems to happen at all brightness levels but mostly when the unit is just first turned on. After using the unit for a few minutes the ghosting/persistence of previous images doesn't happen as easily. Once you notice this thing, it's hard to not notice it. I can even notice it in the small gray bars in the Pulse application, for instance. Seems rather annoying. I've had a couple of Galaxy Tab 7.0 Plus's before this one and did not notice this issue, but it doesn't mean it wasn't there and I just missed it. Oddly this display seems better than my previous units in the fact that the color is more uniform, as the other ones had more yellowing towards the right side of the display (when in portrait mode) than this one. However, this ghosting/persistence issue is really bugging me.
I have a couple of Kindle Fire's and a Dell Streak 7 and a Lenovo Thinkpad tablet, and have had numerous other tablets, but have never noticed this before.
I've attached photos. You can see one is just of the Android Market. The 2nd is of me loading up the Amazon Appstore right after and you can see the ghost image of the Android Market in the gray areas.
Obviously this would not show up in a screenshot as it's a screen artifact, so I took pictures with my phone camera.
How long does it take an image to ghost the screen? How long does it take the ghosting to disappear?
For example, I was going to the Android Market app for only a few seconds. 5 or so seconds. When I then went to the Amazon Appstore app, it takes many many minutes for the ghosting to disappear.
It seems after using the device for 20 or so minutes straight, the ghosting doesn't happen. But if I put the tab down for 30 minutes and test again, it all happens again the same way.
It's pretty horrible looking. Not sure if it's just a bad one I got or if this is normal. Pretty sure this one is going back though. Sigh, I really like this tab.
i haven't really experienced this with my P6200 with DXKL3 firmware and even with my past firmwares
This is a P6210 R62 serial. UEKL1 firmware.
I just downgraded to UEKK3 (couldn't find anything older) and the problem is still there. Did a factory reset too of course.
Can anyone else test this and let me know what they see? I'm on the brink of my return policy and need to figure out if this is a defect or just a normal thing with these PLS screens. It seems to only be an issue with the color gray.
Neither of my P6210's displays exhibit any ghosting.
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Can anyone else test this and let me know what they see? I'm on the brink of my return policy and need to figure out if this is a defect or just a normal thing with these PLS screens. It seems to only be an issue with the color gray.
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Definitely do not have this problem with mine:
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S/N - R62BA3219Z
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This seems to be possibly a problem with displays lately. People are calling it 'burn-in' but it's not the same as the old traditional CRT 'burn-in'. To me I could only really see it on a gray screen. If I went to the browser and opened a white screen, it wasn't there. But certain shades of gray made it very obvious.
If you search around it appears people are having issues with it most recently with the transformer prime. This appears to be another case (not as dramatic of a 'burn-in' as mine) - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1432388 and this guy mentions it too - http://androidforums.com/asus-eee-pad-transformer-prime/481834-screen-burn.html
Either way, I did return the galaxy tab 7.0 plus. The problem was driving me nuts. I have a Kindle Fire that didn't have the problem, and I couldn't justify keeping a $400 device with tihs problem when the $200 one I was holding didn't have any problem like that.
I couldn't reproduce it on the galaxy tab in BB either, but the gray's on that screen appeared to be much darker overall. My guess is they're just using different screen batches or something. That's the problem with this stuff now a days, parts are sourced from all over made by different manufacturuers in different plants with different parts and so on. Too much variation.
So this is at least your third 7 Plus unit? What was the matter with each of the previous ones you purchased?
Also, where did you buy them from? And what part of the country? Might be your supplier who has defective bunches and I just want to be sure to avoid them.
I tried this multiple times and it never happened on mine. A P6210 with the latest firmware.
I purchased my first tf700 from Newegg 5 or 6 weeks ago. The build was excellent. No screen separation issues and little light bleed. I ended up RMAing the device due to a weird screen issue where it was randomly tapping/swiping by itself every now and then.
I just received my new device which has an 80 serial number, and the screen is separating. If you sight down the edge of the top you can see that it actually bows out quite a bit toward the middle, and it clicks when I press it. SO FRUSTRATING!
Newegg's RMA procedure is as painless as it can be for an online purchase, but I think I'll return this one for a refund and purchase from Best Buy so I don't have to spend the foreseeable future shipping Infinities back and forth.
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esoxx said:
I purchased my first tf700 from Newegg 5 or 6 weeks ago. The build was excellent. No screen separation issues and little light bleed. I ended up RMAing the device due to a weird screen issue where it was randomly tapping/swiping by itself every now and then.
I just received my new device which has an 80 serial number, and the screen is separating. If you sight down the edge of the top you can see that it actually bows out quite a bit toward the middle, and it clicks when I press it. SO FRUSTRATING!
Newegg's RMA procedure is as painless as it can be for an online purchase, but I think I'll return this one for a refund and purchase from Best Buy so I don't have to spend the foreseeable future shipping Infinities back and forth.
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I bought one off amazon everything was great, then the corner of the screen start to click when I picked it up. :/ it was so perfect..............................................................................
Guys, there are like a thousand threads on these same issues already here, each with perfect solutions for dealing with the situation should it arise. Must we have yet another negative TF700 thread? My 700 is perfect, and so are the majority of people's as well. Continuing to populate the forums with these types of threads though does nothing but scare away potential developers from wanting to shell out the cash to pick up one of these tabs and develop awesome roms for us!
I do not mean to sound rude, nor am I flaming, but please, mods lock this thread before it spirals into something worse.
I agree with theanarchist that this is the same thread that we've all seen. But I also don't think most peoples tabs Are perfect. Some (like me) are still trying to find a perfect one And some have just accepted what they have and have given up. Others (like you) managed to get a perfect one.
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Mine is perfect as well. My mother, my uncle, my best friend Craig, and my in laws have a perfect unit too. So when I see threads like this, it makes me wonder if people have an agenda.
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Mine is perfect as well. My mother, my uncle, my best friend Craig, and my in laws have a perfect unit too. So when I see threads like this, it makes me wonder if people have an agenda.
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Mine's not perfect, clicking near the hdmi port and you can click it from a good portion up towards the middle of the screen. I personally gave up on Asus, though hearing that there are people that have indeed perfect ones makes me wish I had exchanged it. I was hesitant because I had already returned a tf300 (screen issue) and then later the Prime that I had replaced the tf300 with. I had only returned the Prime to get the tf700, as I was pretty frustrated I couldn't get the gps to work EVEN with the dongle Asus sent me. I didn't have any wifi issues really nor any screen clicking issues with the Prime and though I like the infinity the screen clicking annoys me. Wondering if I should rma it directly to them, just don't want to get a different tab back or been in a worse situation as a result.
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Guys, there are like a thousand threads on these same issues already here, each with perfect solutions for dealing with the situation should it arise. Must we have yet another negative TF700 thread? My 700 is perfect, and so are the majority of people's as well. Continuing to populate the forums with these types of threads though does nothing but scare away potential developers from wanting to shell out the cash to pick up one of these tabs and develop awesome roms for us!
I do not mean to sound rude, nor am I flaming, but please, mods lock this thread before it spirals into something worse.
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There was an earlier thread that theorized that the build issues were being addressed in the more recently built devices. I posted to show that even with the more recent 80 serial number devices, the same issues are present on at least a percentage of tf700s.
I certainly have no agenda. I'm on my second Infinity, which will unfortunately also be going back. The first one had some extreme screen separation on the right hand side. It was an C06 serial number. The one I'm on now, my second is a C80 serial number. The screen is good, with just a slight clicking in one spot on the right hand side. I'd live with it. However the light leaking out onto the screen along the bottom and right side from the LEDs is very very noticible.
I won't give up. I really love everything about the TF700 except for the build quality issues that I have experienced. I think the OP has a valid point in saying that the issues are not fixed yet. When my second unit came, I was psyched to see the serial number on the box said C80. I was very disappointed that it too has issues.
I think...
I think the screen seperation can be because of the humidity. Where do u live?
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I think the screen seperation can be because of the humidity. Where do u live?
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I don't think it's humidity. I live on the west coast of the US. Pretty dry here. I noticed a curve in the glass along the top of the screen as soon as I took it out of the box and removed the skin/wrapper. It's noticeably bowed out in the middle of that edge.
I just wanted to chime in to say that this is my 2nd C8. The 1st had a June build date and it came with the .22 firmware. I exchanged that one for this 2nd C8 which came with the .26 firmware and a 20120720 build date.
The 1st infinity had power and volume button issues and sharper than normal edges all around. I can't find anything wrong with the build on this second C8 other than the haptic feedback is set really low. (Does vibrate when power on)
I'm rooted and have the dmclient froze in titanium backup while I read up on NV flash. (Guarding against a forced OTA update) I made the mistake of applying the .30 OTA to soon last time.
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I just wanted to chime in to say that this is my 2nd C8. The 1st had a June build date and it came with the .22 firmware. I exchanged that one for this 2nd C8 which came with the .26 firmware and a 20120720 build date.
The 1st infinity had power and volume button issues and sharper than normal edges all around. I can't find anything wrong with the build on this second C8 other than the haptic feedback is set really low. (Does vibrate when power on)
I'm rooted and have the dmclient froze in titanium backup while I read up on NV flash. (Guarding against a forced OTA update) I made the mistake of applying the .30 OTA to soon last time.
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Glad to hear that. Hopefully, 3rd time will be the charm. I really do LOVE this tablet, I just want one that's solidly built and works.
Agreed. I don't see how humidity is going to affect Corning's Gorilla Glass 2. Seriously don't see this being a factor at all.
I suppose I am one of the luck ones as well, no discernable bleeding edge light and completely flat screen. Of course, I bought the 64GB model from BB online, and it already have .26 on it when it arrived.
I too just returned my c8 version today that suffered from light bleed, mushy/sticky power and volume buttons, separating screen which also had sharp 90 edges. The one I just picked up is a night and difference from the first one. This one is a c9 version and other than a little light bleed the construction is solid. It doesn't even appear to be the same tablet....its like the first one was a cheap knock off. Another thing I am noticing with this new one is that the speed of touch feedback is so much faster than the C8.
I did decide to purchase the extended warranty this time around...my experience with the prime has left me jaded and there is no way I'm going to be left holding a dud.
With that said, I suggest if possible to keep on returning them until you find a good one...they do exist!
If Asus can't be persistent with their perfection...Be persistent with the returns!
F me! Just noticed this one is creaking like an old rocking chair, its on the left side by the hdmi port.
Today, I swapped out my first C7 after owning it for a week and received a C8 as a replacement. It amazes me the differences between the two.
For my particular devices, the differences were:
C7 pros: The construction was very solid. I kept reading horror stories about screen lift, creaking, etc. and mine felt solid like a tank. No light bleed issues either.
C7 cons: It suffered from severe I/O issues. Trying to download something from the market would grind things to a halt until the download and install finished. The Browser lagged a bit as well........as did moving around the launcher or clearing items from the recents menu . I returned it because there was a spec of dust under the screen which just really bothered me.
C8 pros: It feels like they put better quality internals in this one! There have been none of the i/o issues, lag, or stutters. Everything is very responsive and snappy. From a software usability standpoint, this feels like a completely new device.
C8 cons: The physical build quality is definitely not as high as the first. There are spots around the edges of the glass that feel "squishy". There is also a bit more lightbeed but i would not call it bad by any means.
For now, I am going to keep the C8 because the performance difference alone is worth it. The minor physical build quality issues aren't bothering me enough yet to risk giving up the performance.
One trend I seem to have noticed after reading all these reviews is that the build date does not seem to have much correlation with physical build quality. However, it does seem that more recent models may be using higher quality internal components contributing to noticeable performance gain.
These are just my observations.
Just curious if anyone else has noticed this... My device is almost exactly 1 week old. (I've been using it quite a bit for work)
Yesterday, I was playing a movie (using the DisplayPort) to my TV. The unit ran, plugged in, running Netflix for a total of 2 hours... Movie played fine, finished up, disconnected, etc...
Later on that day, I was using the Surface and noticed a yellow burn mark. It's a line along the right edge of the display on the surface. It's most prominent in two places, a blotch 2 inches down from the top, and worse towards the bottom about an inch up (all along the right side)...
Noticed that if I shut the device down, and let it sit on a granite counter-top at room temp (brings the temp of the device down to room temp), after turning it back on around 20 minutes later it's gone on a fresh boot. After starting it again, the yellow burn slowly comes back, coming back even faster if I'm doing CPU intensive stuff on it, or if it's being charged.
Anyways... Even though I purchased the device at the retail location and have a 15 day return window, I didn't want to bother as right now there's the shortage of 128 units, I don't want to have to wait for stores to stock up again, so I called Microsoft and found out that right now under warranty they are replacing faulty devices with brand new ones... So I started a warranty case, hopefully will receive my new unit in a few days.
I did some googling, and I read about people with iPads, and iPhones having a yellow tint due to the glue not curing on brand new devices. Users reported it would go away in time. I'm assuming this isn't the case for me as it's not there on start, but comes after the device warms up...
Also, after reading iFixIt's post about the internals, I noticed the batteries edge inside the device is right about where the yellow marks are. I'm thinking the battery inside the unit may be swelling, and putting internal pressure on the LCD panel... The Yellow get's worse when charging, but at the same time, maybe there's just pressure inside the device from the manufacturing process, you never know.
I just hope hope hope that the device MS sends out is brand new as they said it would be.
Here's a pic, it's very hard to see as its extremely difficult to snap a picture due to auto-focus, lighting, etc... The yellow is usually only visible on white, and certain greys in the gray scale, you can't see it at all on black.
http://twitpic.com/c4o9q8
I think it must be the glue not properly done. Best to return and get a new one imo
And how are you liking it? I'm considering one.
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plznote said:
I think it must be the glue not properly done. Best to return and get a new one imo
And how are you liking it? I'm considering one.
Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using xda app-developers app
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At first I thought it was the glue, but just the disappearing act it does, I'm thinking it's a LCD pressure mark instead... If I turn on power savings mode, and don't do anything it fades, barely hard to see... When it gets hot it comes back. I'm almost positive it's the battery putting pressure on the LCD...
As for the device, I'm absolutely loving it. I was lucky enough to get a 128 on the Monday after launch. I've been bringing it with me everywhere. I haven't really used the pen, but I use my Touch keyboard all the time.
This thing is SLICK! And actually to be honest, I waited for the Pro since I thought I wouldn't be able to use the RT. After getting this, and LOVING the metro interface, along with the Metro apps, the only time I go to the desktop is for Office on a normal day. Even then, I actually use the Mail metro app for exchange most of the time, unless I need to do something advanced in Outlook.
I realized everything I use it for, I could have gotten away with an RT instead. I have absolutely NO complaints And to be honest I'm going to pick up an RT as well...
I'll use the RT for day to day, notes, meetings, e-mail, music, metro apps, etc... The battery life will be awesome.
I'll use the Pro for special stuff, like very technical meetings, implementations (I'm an IT guy), real technical work (where I need apps like vSphere client, putty, etc...)
I'm dead serious, this device is slick! Totally worth the money!
I'm actually starting to wonder if this is condensation... No idea why it would glow yellow though... No bubbles or anything...
Noticed that the top of the surface that faces you clicks when tapping on the black border, wonder if it's missing a seal...
w00t,
Called up, they replaced my surface pro, got a replacement within 2 days, brand new
No yellow!
Zhariak said:
w00t,
Called up, they replaced my surface pro, got a replacement within 2 days, brand new
No yellow!
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I have the same issue and will also be asking for replacement.
You seemed to have liked the service provided by Microsoft, since you got your replacement in 2 days, I'm assuming that they cross-shipped? Or did you have to send it in first? Or did you got a MS Store (none for me in Montreal...)