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[Q] When can we expect support until? First gen WP7 devices

When can we expect support to continue until for our trophys and omnias through official roms? Tango? Apollo? Unknown?

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well i dont think even microsoft employees know this for sure so its just guessing for now... id say the apollo will be the last update available for us ;]

Apollo is WP8? With only one generation of phones available, I'm eager to see how (and if) MS will take care of the old devices in a year or so. Did they ever say something in this regard?

Yea, apollo is rumoured to be the next big mango like release and bring WP8 while tango will be the nodo like one.

I think that actualization will be available as long as hardware in our mobiles will be sufficient.

So this is official support. Although unless hardware requirements change I'm sure we will still get some custom roms afterwards which will give us new updates etc.
Btw when are tango and Apollo suspected to be released? Would make sense for Apollo (provided it is indeed wp8) to be released with Windows 8 which is rumored Q4 2012. How long after Apollo will there be a new update and will we still be supported?
I am assuming most of us are on a 2 year contract so if the updates are "to die for" I don't see it being too much of a problem as we could possibly just upgrade to a next Gen windows phone device

Nothing official or unofficial has been said that I know of. However I think Apollo would be the last update available for us.
It would make sense for them to support phones for at least two years, that way hardware won't hold back the progress in regards to the actual operating system. Plus after 2 years most people in the US are eligible for an upgrade!

Zune players
The Zune players have been supported for many years. So we can at least hope for the same with the phones to receive updates as long as the hardware supports it. The only problem is that now it depends on the OEMs and carriers as well.

Sideloading in 2nd generation WP7.5 devices.

I remember back when the 1st generation WP7 handsets were launched, sideloading was a hot topic and everybody discusses about it. Soon after, Chevron came up with an unlock which allowed sideloading and users were happy.
But when 2nd generation WP7.5 handsets were launched, I see virtually no discussions at all about sideloading on these phones, and I think it's a waste. It'd be great to have the discussions going on how this can be done, who can do it, what needs to be available for it to be done. Soon maybe XDA will come up with a way to unlock the 2nd generation handsets and allow sideloading?
Or is XDA almost exclusive to Android already?

Microsoft's official jailbreak tool will be released soon and will be compatible with 2nd generation WP7 devices, so you'll be able to sideload. It won't be free, but I'm almost sure that, after the release, someone will work out how to do It for free.

xcen_xda said:
I remember back when the 1st generation WP7 handsets were launched, sideloading was a hot topic and everybody discusses about it. Soon after, Chevron came up with an unlock which allowed sideloading and users were happy.
But when 2nd generation WP7.5 handsets were launched, I see virtually no discussions at all about sideloading on these phones, and I think it's a waste. It'd be great to have the discussions going on how this can be done, who can do it, what needs to be available for it to be done. Soon maybe XDA will come up with a way to unlock the 2nd generation handsets and allow sideloading?
Or is XDA almost exclusive to Android already?
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this thread talks about sideloading on 7.5 for some time now. The only devices which are not covered at the moment are HTCs, but it's just a matter of time.
so, yes, there are discussions here for 2nd generation devices. Sideloading is not a limitation of the hardware version (1st or 2nd generation) but of the OS and people are working on 7.5 and already have solutions for many devices.

AshleyT said:
Microsoft's official jailbreak tool will be released soon and will be compatible with 2nd generation WP7 devices, so you'll be able to sideload. It won't be free, but I'm almost sure that, after the release, someone will work out how to do It for free.
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Nice. But I wonder if they will set any limitations on that unlock? I'm a bit skeptical because it's Microsoft who locks it, and now it's Microsoft who unlocks it. Not sure if we will enjoy more, or less freedom.
derausgewanderte said:
this thread talks about sideloading on 7.5 for some time now. The only devices which are not covered at the moment are HTCs, but it's just a matter of time.
so, yes, there are discussions here for 2nd generation devices. Sideloading is not a limitation of the hardware version (1st or 2nd generation) but of the OS and people are working on 7.5 and already have solutions for many devices.
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I think the interop-unlock is for first generation devices that come with 7.5? I'm not sure, but according to the instructions it only works if you revert back to NoDo? I think new WP7.5 devices (non-HTC) like Omnia W, Focus S, Lumia 800 may not work because they dont' have NoDo to revert back to? Again I'm not so sure about it...

xcen_xda said:
I think the interop-unlock is for first generation devices that come with 7.5? I'm not sure, but according to the instructions it only works if you revert back to NoDo? I think new WP7.5 devices (non-HTC) like Omnia W, Focus S, Lumia 800 may not work because they dont' have NoDo to revert back to? Again I'm not so sure about it...
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Take a look at this: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1271963
This should also work with the new Samsung phones.

derausgewanderte said:
...The only devices which are not covered at the moment are HTCs...
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and the Dell Venue Pro...

[Q] Help regarding my first windows phone

I have been a symbian fanboy and I found windows phone very interesting.
I decided to buy a windowsphone.
What I found after following windowsphone for sometime is that this os has some restrictions.
some of those restrictions like bt file sharing,usb mass storage mode etc can be lifted if you can unlock your phone completely.
I decided to buy 2nd gen phones like lumia 800 so that I can unlock them using chevron labs.but there seems to be no more new tokens.
but as of now there is no way to jailbreak 2nd gen phones.
So I decided to go for samsung focus.
what I fear now is will it be upgraded to windowsphone 8 or not?
will there be any method coming in the future to unlock 2nd gen phones?
I like to mod and install unsigned apps .
please suggest me friends what to do?

Well, there are no promises in hacking. It seems you have done your research so you kinda answered your own questions as much as anyone else could. Nobody knows what devices will get WP8 since MS hasnt stated anything one way or the other offcially. Basically if you want to mod to the fullest extent you need a first gen htc or samsung, to a lesser extent a second gen samsung should do fine. If you want to be sure to get WP8 wait untill MS says what will and what won't get it.

So far, all Windows phones have gotten all of the signifficant updates. We'll see how long this holds true, but the (admittedly short) history of the OS says that even though some devices may be a bit later than others, everybody gets the major updates. Microsoft seems to have committed to this pretty strongly. My guess is that they'll ship updates for all phones sold within a two-year period of the update coming out, since that's where people will be in contracts (I know some places do three-year contracts, but at the rate tech advances, three years is a long time).
The Focus was still on sale just a few months ago. I fully expect it to get updates through at least Windows Phone 8.5 (late 2013, by the current twice-annual-significant-update schedule). No guarantees, of course, but that's my guess.
Additionally, you should be able to send updates via CAB files even if the phone falls out of official support. The firmware will get out of date, which might make some features of the new OSes less valuable (for example, Mango added the managed Compass API, but a firmware update was needed to make it usable). Bugfixes and major features will probably keep on coming, though. If nothing else, the Samsung gen1 phones have unlockable bootloaders, so you can install custom ROMs. The fact that you can run WP7 build 8107 on the HD2 - a phone that wasn't supposed to run WP7 at all - suggests that the Focus will probably be viable for quite some time.

I decided to go for samsung focus.
but I have a small doubt.
I havr read that windows break project does not work if firmware version is kk2.
so if I get focus with kk2 firmware,is there any way to downgrade to previous firmware and apply windows break?
if I get focus without mango(which might be the case in my country),after applying windows break and updating to mango,will focus be interop-locked again?
is the interop-unlock and bootloader unlock same?
if so how to unlock bootloader and install custom roms?
sorry for barrage of questions as iam a noob.
any help woukd be appreciated?

It's possible to downgrade the firmware, yes. Just flash an older (stock) ROM onto your phone.
Mango will reset your dev-unlock status, which probably means losing both interop-unlock and dev-unlock. However, you can interop-unlock after upgrading to Mango (interop-lock didn't even exist pre-Mango).
To avoid getting KK2 by accident, you should stop the update process as soon after getting Mango as you can. Then, use WindowBreak. You cna then install the remaining updates if you want to, I guess, but I'd suggest avoiding KK2 until a really good reason for it shows up.
Interop-unlock is completley different from bootloader unlock, though both are (indirectly) ways to get more access. Unlocking the bootloader is required for installing custom ROMs, which typically come "full-unlocked" and can do things not even possible with interop-unlock (at this time). Interop-unlock lets you install lots of homebrew apps, and lets you install homebrew apps that call into high-privilege drivers as a way to break out of the sandbox.
To look at it a different way, Interop-unlock is required in order to use an app like WP7 Root Tools. A custom ROM (requires an unlocked bootloader) has everything run as root, so WP7 Root Tools is hardly needed (though still useful just for the browser/editor tools).
For unlocking the bootloader and using custom ROMs, see the DFT threads on the Dev&Hacking sub-forum. In particular: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1485569

GoodDayToDie said:
It's possible to downgrade the firmware, yes. Just flash an older (stock) ROM onto your phone.
Mango will reset your dev-unlock status, which probably means losing both interop-unlock and dev-unlock. However, you can interop-unlock after upgrading to Mango (interop-lock didn't even exist pre-Mango).
To avoid getting KK2 by accident, you should stop the update process as soon after getting Mango as you can. Then, use WindowBreak. You cna then install the remaining updates if you want to, I guess, but I'd suggest avoiding KK2 until a really good reason for it shows up.
Interop-unlock is completley different from bootloader unlock, though both are (indirectly) ways to get more access. Unlocking the bootloader is required for installing custom ROMs, which typically come "full-unlocked" and can do things not even possible with interop-unlock (at this time). Interop-unlock lets you install lots of homebrew apps, and lets you install homebrew apps that call into high-privilege drivers as a way to break out of the sandbox.
To look at it a different way, Interop-unlock is required in order to use an app like WP7 Root Tools. A custom ROM (requires an unlocked bootloader) has everything run as root, so WP7 Root Tools is hardly needed (though still useful just for the browser/editor tools).
For unlocking the bootloader and using custom ROMs, see the DFT threads on the Dev&Hacking sub-forum. In particular: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1485569
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thanks mate you have been so helpful to me.
btw how to stop updation process just after mango so that kk2 fw wont be installed on my phone?
will kk2 be shown as separate update or does it come with mango?

I think most the chefs turn the auto update off. I could be wrong, but my phone has not auto updated. I am using Nextgen ROM.

Updates are installed in order. After each one, the Zune software will check for more updates. You can cancel the update process at any time except when the phone is actually being flashed. There's a cancel button on the Zune software, or you can even just pull the USB cable. Since the updating process involve multiple reboots of the phone, and each one takes some time, it should be pretty easy to catch if you're paying attention.
KK2 is usually, though not always, pushed with 8107. It should not be pushed with 7720, which came out many months before KK2. 7720 is the first release Mango build. I recommend stopping after 7720, though 7740 may also be OK.

subraj said:
I decided to go for samsung focus.
but I have a small doubt.
I havr read that windows break project does not work if firmware version is kk2.
so if I get focus with kk2 firmware,is there any way to downgrade to previous firmware and apply windows break?
if I get focus without mango(which might be the case in my country),after applying windows break and updating to mango,will focus be interop-locked again?
is the interop-unlock and bootloader unlock same?
if so how to unlock bootloader and install custom roms?
sorry for barrage of questions as iam a noob.
any help woukd be appreciated?
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Currently both Rogers and ATT have not pushed the KK2 firmware to the Focus, only the Omnia 7 has had the newest firmware pushed to it so you should be fine. If you plan on installing a custom ROM I DO suggest fully updating to 8107 via Zune to get the most upto date radio and then flashing the custom ROM to get the best battery/signal ect. (I suggest starting with the Rogers 7004 firmware since it updates all the way to 8107 via Zune where as the ATT one does not, as long as you have a v1.3 Focus it will flash fine on an ATT phone)
EDIT: also if you want a nice clean starting point to start you modding on your focus perhaps you might want to try my ROM posted in my sig below --v

confused
hey guys i am really confused i am thnking of buying either nokia lumia 710 or samsung omnia w
so heres why am confused
omina w basically for the hardware advantage like the front cam, glonass support, gyroscope and the super AMOLED display and the main one being omnia w can be hacked (i know about firmware limitation)
and lumia 710 basically coz its nokia i have always had a nokia phone and moreover nokia is partner with microsoft so it may get exclusive updates and other software support like nokia drive etc....
so i want to know that will omnia too will get such software support officially or maybe unofficailly like the nokia drive xap is available for other devices.....if in future nokia release some vital exclusive content will/can it be ported to other devices??????
plz rep soon am goin to buy either 1 this week....

goldsmit409 said:
hey guys i am really confused i am thnking of buying either nokia lumia 710 or samsung omnia w
so heres why am confused
omina w basically for the hardware advantage like the front cam, glonass support, gyroscope and the super AMOLED display and the main one being omnia w can be hacked (i know about firmware limitation)
and lumia 710 basically coz its nokia i have always had a nokia phone and moreover nokia is partner with microsoft so it may get exclusive updates and other software support like nokia drive etc....
so i want to know that will omnia too will get such software support officially or maybe unofficailly like the nokia drive xap is available for other devices.....if in future nokia release some vital exclusive content will/can it be ported to other devices??????
plz rep soon am goin to buy either 1 this week....
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I don't think that Nokia is getting exclusive features from microsoft. And there might be ways to port the nokia software but you never know. So if you're using your phone for navigation I would suggest you buying the nokia as this would give you a legal and good offline navi. Otherwise I'd go for the samsung for freedom reasons.

WP 7.8 Release?

Does anyone have any information on when WP7.8 will be available or if there is any source online to get our hands on it, so that porting may begin?
Here is an excellent article about the features one can expect in 7.8
Here's an Update wherein it is stated that RTM (Release to Manufacturing) is September while GA (General Availability) is November. ;-)

It will be released with the first WP8 devices.

They did mention that there will be a program that allows you access to the updates early. I'm not sure if Windows Phone 7.8 is included in that, or if its just Windows Phone 8 and higher.

Nokia lumia 900 gets WP7.8 for a couple of weeks, this is officialy confirmed by Nokia ana Microsoft .

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They did mention that there will be a program that allows you access to the updates early. I'm not sure if Windows Phone 7.8 is included in that, or if its just Windows Phone 8 and higher.
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During the Summit I have understood that this feature is only for WP8-updates and not for WP7.8 because this update is released by the carriers.... So, we will have to wait .... :-/

I understood that the new update route is one of those few new things that come with 7.8

WP 7.8 is for the 1st & 2nd gen of WP devices that could not upgrade to WP8, sort of consolation

Once Nokia releases the update for Windows Phone 7.8 for the Nokia Lumia 900 can we expect a port soon to other devices like the HD7 ? or do we have to wait till HTC or Tmobile officially announces it ? (which I do not wish for)

amirox said:
Does anyone have any information on when WP7.8 will be available or if there is any source online to get our hands on it, so that porting may begin?
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This is the Windows Phone 8 forum, not 7 :silly:

wp7.8 will be sent directly, not via providers. That means everybody should get this & get this the same date.

No, WP8 will receive subsequent updates 'over the air' but you have to have it to get that as I understand it!

AFAIK Nokia plans to release the Tango update (7.5) in the upcoming weeks, not the 7.8 update. We'll probably have to wait more especially given that MS is not very confident with the 7.8 performance as of now.
Our best bet is to wait for the Windows Phone 8 SDK coming late this summer. Chances are it will include a usable WP 7.8 build.

I don't understand why people are talking about "porting" 7.8 to older phones. Every phone that runs Mango will get the 7.8 update, regardless of age or carrier. They've said they're pushing this update out without carrier intervention.
Also, Nokia did say that the 7.8 update would be release "in the coming weeks." That could mean withing the next few weeks, or by the time Windows Phone 8 comes out. Those are both technically "in the coming weeks."

amirox said:
Does anyone have any information on when WP7.8 will be available or if there is any source online to get our hands on it, so that porting may begin?
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hey, according to multiple tech sites, the Windows Phone 7.8 will be released right after the WP8 has been outed in the market.

revxx14 said:
I don't understand why people are talking about "porting" 7.8 to older phones. Every phone that runs Mango will get the 7.8 update, regardless of age or carrier. They've said they're pushing this update out without carrier intervention.
Also, Nokia did say that the 7.8 update would be release "in the coming weeks." That could mean withing the next few weeks, or by the time Windows Phone 8 comes out. Those are both technically "in the coming weeks."
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Well, I for one have an old HD2 which of course is excluded of the luxury of official updates. Also I thought it'd be more fitting to put in here than in wp7 forum because of similarity.. sorry if I was wrong there. Happy with the outcome so far. I wanted to make a platform for discussion regarding 7.8 release and that we got; )
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Will WP 7.8 contain ?
DataSmart
IE10
Company Hub
Wallet
VOIP+Skype+VideoChat
all wp8 features that not need hardware changes

Dr.Mazika said:
Will WP 7.8 contain ?
DataSmart
IE10
Company Hub
Wallet
VOIP+Skype+VideoChat
all wp8 features that not need hardware changes
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No, this has been clearly said by Microsoft and followed up with big people who work with and are at Microsoft, you will ONLY get the new tile layout on the main page (to have the 3 size tiles) and nothing else.
Only other changes you could possably get will be in a App format(downloadable via the marketplace). Not a update. If you want more of the new stuff, you will have to BUY a WP8 device when it's released.
This has been said from Microsoft a few times now...
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I don't understand why people are talking about "porting" 7.8 to older phones. Every phone that runs Mango will get the 7.8 update, regardless of age or carrier. They've said they're pushing this update out without carrier intervention.
Also, Nokia did say that the 7.8 update would be release "in the coming weeks." That could mean withing the next few weeks, or by the time Windows Phone 8 comes out. Those are both technically "in the coming weeks."
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There was a update to that, they took it back.
https://twitter.com/NokiaUS/status/215627719155793922
That statement that you would get 7.8 on Nokia devices in a few weeks is INCORRECT, here is WPcentral's take on it...
http://www.wpcentral.com/windows-phone-78-update-available-weeks
It's TBA... So no one knows at this point...
Trust me, I wish it was true because if Nokia got it, we'd all get it, as I am sure someone will rip it to work on any device...

I have a Samsung focus v1.3 running a custom ROM. Will I be able to update to 7.8 when it comes out?

amirox said:
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I currently run WP 7.8.

lseidman said:
I currently run WP 7.8.
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That is some kind of joke, isn´t it?!

WP 7.8

So, since Microsoft forgot to let us know when 7.8 will be available, have anyone heard any rumors?

In my country people from microsoft talked about January or February

WP7.8 official release?
I was also about to post this question
Now that MS has taken lid off WP8, they should also declare official availability of WP7.8 for us- owners of their legacy WP7 devices.

Is it possible the Lumia 610 will get his update?

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Is it possible the Lumia 610 will get his update?
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Every Windows Phone 7.1 7.5 will get it. the only problem is how, some are saying it will be released from the manufacturers itself on new models which run 7.8 and then we can "port" them, and then somebody says if microsoft not push it to every and let it do the carriers 80% of the users can wait forever to get it. Some sources say after the launch of WP8 and couple of weeks after that you can go to your carrier and they will flash it for you. I have also seen an Nokia News twitter post where a user is upset why nobody has mentioned 7.8 in the presentation yesterday. and Nokia News responded on twitter with "news on wp 7.8 will be soon, stay tuned" or something like that... So it can only take to new year for 7.8 thats my thoughts.

http://www.wpcentral.com/windows-phone-78-probably-coming-late
Windows Phone 8 is to be formally released in a few more hours. But guess a whole lot of us care more about its little brother: Windows Phone 7.8. For existing Windows Phone users who aren't buying a new device at this time, Windows Phone 7.8 is the real savior. There's bad news coming from Chinese site WPDang though: it'll be coming late.
Citing undisclosed sources, the site claims that Windows Phone 7.8 won't come through OTA update first. Instead, after a few weeks of Windows Phone 8 debut, version 7.8 will show up pre-loaded on new low-end devices. Afterward, OEMs will be pushing out OTA updates to older phones.
If true, this sounds awfully like what it was like with Windows Phone 7.5 (Mango): Fujitsu IS12T, Nokia Lumia 800, HTC Titan, then existing devices started to get the update gradually. Some OEMs might choose to update old phones in a manual way in retail stores, like what HTC did back then in Taiwan.
The good news is that, Windows Phone 8.0 and 7.8 are largely the same. Let's pray no one is left behind.
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I am not entirely sure if that article is correct.
According to Nokia, Lumia devices (610 through 900) will be getting the update first. There are no new 7.8 devices announced in the following months, so it is safe to assume that by the end of the year we will have 7.8

mcosmin222 said:
I am not entirely sure if that article is correct.
According to Nokia, Lumia devices (610 through 900) will be getting the update first. There are no new 7.8 devices announced in the following months, so it is safe to assume that by the end of the year we will have 7.8
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well, when ever it comes and to whatever device, lets get those cab files shared ASAP so we can all have a piece of the pie

http://www.gsmarena.com/_windows_phone_italys_facebook_page_reveals_wp78_features-news-5028.php
Whoever is managing the Windows Phone Italia Facebook page was more talkative, however, and answered a question from a fan, revealing the new features that v7.8 will bring. The response has been deleted since.
The list includes the new homescreen (which we already knew), something called 'Club', which we guess is Rooms, Xbox Music and SmartGlass.
Facebook is hardly a reliable source of info, but the features listed seem quite probable - we already know about the homescreen, Rooms and SmartGlass are available for other OSes too, so it's unlikely they will be excluded from WP7.8 and Xbox Music will bring the existing user base to Microsoft's new music service.
In case you don't know yet, Windows Phone 7.8 will be released for 7 and 7.5 devices, as the old hardware won't get updated to WP8.
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7.8 will bring about as much as windows phone 8 does. The only things we won't get in 7.8 is the things closely related to hardware like NFC, real multitasking (apparently dual core CPUs are needed for that) and directx support (so we won't be able to run some games).
That's pretty much all the differences.
And before you ask me how i know this, think about it...if it were only a few features, why not push the upgrade sooner? They actually take their time to implement stuff.

Windows Phone Italy said that it would be released 2 weeks after the WP8 launch (google it)