Does anyone have any information on when WP7.8 will be available or if there is any source online to get our hands on it, so that porting may begin?
Here is an excellent article about the features one can expect in 7.8
Here's an Update wherein it is stated that RTM (Release to Manufacturing) is September while GA (General Availability) is November. ;-)
It will be released with the first WP8 devices.
They did mention that there will be a program that allows you access to the updates early. I'm not sure if Windows Phone 7.8 is included in that, or if its just Windows Phone 8 and higher.
Nokia lumia 900 gets WP7.8 for a couple of weeks, this is officialy confirmed by Nokia ana Microsoft .
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They did mention that there will be a program that allows you access to the updates early. I'm not sure if Windows Phone 7.8 is included in that, or if its just Windows Phone 8 and higher.
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During the Summit I have understood that this feature is only for WP8-updates and not for WP7.8 because this update is released by the carriers.... So, we will have to wait .... :-/
I understood that the new update route is one of those few new things that come with 7.8
WP 7.8 is for the 1st & 2nd gen of WP devices that could not upgrade to WP8, sort of consolation
Once Nokia releases the update for Windows Phone 7.8 for the Nokia Lumia 900 can we expect a port soon to other devices like the HD7 ? or do we have to wait till HTC or Tmobile officially announces it ? (which I do not wish for)
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Does anyone have any information on when WP7.8 will be available or if there is any source online to get our hands on it, so that porting may begin?
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This is the Windows Phone 8 forum, not 7 :silly:
wp7.8 will be sent directly, not via providers. That means everybody should get this & get this the same date.
No, WP8 will receive subsequent updates 'over the air' but you have to have it to get that as I understand it!
AFAIK Nokia plans to release the Tango update (7.5) in the upcoming weeks, not the 7.8 update. We'll probably have to wait more especially given that MS is not very confident with the 7.8 performance as of now.
Our best bet is to wait for the Windows Phone 8 SDK coming late this summer. Chances are it will include a usable WP 7.8 build.
I don't understand why people are talking about "porting" 7.8 to older phones. Every phone that runs Mango will get the 7.8 update, regardless of age or carrier. They've said they're pushing this update out without carrier intervention.
Also, Nokia did say that the 7.8 update would be release "in the coming weeks." That could mean withing the next few weeks, or by the time Windows Phone 8 comes out. Those are both technically "in the coming weeks."
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Does anyone have any information on when WP7.8 will be available or if there is any source online to get our hands on it, so that porting may begin?
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hey, according to multiple tech sites, the Windows Phone 7.8 will be released right after the WP8 has been outed in the market.
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I don't understand why people are talking about "porting" 7.8 to older phones. Every phone that runs Mango will get the 7.8 update, regardless of age or carrier. They've said they're pushing this update out without carrier intervention.
Also, Nokia did say that the 7.8 update would be release "in the coming weeks." That could mean withing the next few weeks, or by the time Windows Phone 8 comes out. Those are both technically "in the coming weeks."
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Well, I for one have an old HD2 which of course is excluded of the luxury of official updates. Also I thought it'd be more fitting to put in here than in wp7 forum because of similarity.. sorry if I was wrong there. Happy with the outcome so far. I wanted to make a platform for discussion regarding 7.8 release and that we got; )
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Will WP 7.8 contain ?
DataSmart
IE10
Company Hub
Wallet
VOIP+Skype+VideoChat
all wp8 features that not need hardware changes
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Will WP 7.8 contain ?
DataSmart
IE10
Company Hub
Wallet
VOIP+Skype+VideoChat
all wp8 features that not need hardware changes
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No, this has been clearly said by Microsoft and followed up with big people who work with and are at Microsoft, you will ONLY get the new tile layout on the main page (to have the 3 size tiles) and nothing else.
Only other changes you could possably get will be in a App format(downloadable via the marketplace). Not a update. If you want more of the new stuff, you will have to BUY a WP8 device when it's released.
This has been said from Microsoft a few times now...
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I don't understand why people are talking about "porting" 7.8 to older phones. Every phone that runs Mango will get the 7.8 update, regardless of age or carrier. They've said they're pushing this update out without carrier intervention.
Also, Nokia did say that the 7.8 update would be release "in the coming weeks." That could mean withing the next few weeks, or by the time Windows Phone 8 comes out. Those are both technically "in the coming weeks."
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There was a update to that, they took it back.
https://twitter.com/NokiaUS/status/215627719155793922
That statement that you would get 7.8 on Nokia devices in a few weeks is INCORRECT, here is WPcentral's take on it...
http://www.wpcentral.com/windows-phone-78-update-available-weeks
It's TBA... So no one knows at this point...
Trust me, I wish it was true because if Nokia got it, we'd all get it, as I am sure someone will rip it to work on any device...
I have a Samsung focus v1.3 running a custom ROM. Will I be able to update to 7.8 when it comes out?
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Does anyone have any information on when WP7.8 will be available or if there is any source online to get our hands on it, so that porting may begin?
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I currently run WP 7.8.
lseidman said:
I currently run WP 7.8.
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That is some kind of joke, isn´t it?!
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I'm interested in getting one WP7 (most likely HTC HD7 - like the size of it ), but my concern is will all the current WP7s on the market will be updated to Mango? Or it will be like most Android phones which are heavily depended on the manufacturer and carriers?
Also, based on the info so far, are there any significant differences between the current WP7 and upcoming WP7 in term of hardware?
Thank you...
Yes all current wp7 devices will get mango. I have mango on my HD7 right now and its buttery smooth.
New devices this year will have a gyroscope, faster processor and gpu as well possibly front facing cameras.
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Yes all current wp7 devices will get mango. I have mango on my HD7 right now and its buttery smooth.
New devices this year will have a gyroscope, faster processor and gpu as well possibly front facing cameras.
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Thank you for your reply.
It's nice to know that all the current WP7 will be updated to mango officially.. (unlike Android which never knows the future when you bought one)
Well, it seems that current WP7 is snappily fast enough already
can't imagine how fast it can be with faster processor and gpu!!!
oh my, hopefully they can release the mango installed WP7 asap...
All current Windows Phones will be able to update to Mango.
That doesn't necessary mean that everyone will choose to upgrade to Mango.
arbelnox said:
Thank you for your reply.
It's nice to know that all the current WP7 will be updated to mango officially.. (unlike Android which never knows the future when you bought one)
Well, it seems that current WP7 is snappily fast enough already
can't imagine how fast it can be with faster processor and gpu!!!
oh my, hopefully they can release the mango installed WP7 asap...
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Still talking a month or 2 for devices at least.
Nice that Android's upgrade path could be very questionable unless you have a highend newer model phone and every Windows Phone 7 device will get a huge upgrade.
DavidinCT said:
Still talking a month or 2 for devices at least.
Nice that Android's upgrade path could be very questionable unless you have a highend newer model phone and every Windows Phone 7 device will get a huge upgrade.
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well, speaking of highend Android phones, with the rapid release of the Android phones, even the higher end phone's upgrade is not guaranteed... for instances, even Samsung Galaxy S took quite a long time to get upgraded, while Motorola Milestone or Droid series (which is considered one of flagship model) is just pretty much stuck with the OS that they were initially released...
Take a look on the original droid (milestone)... despite the promise given for Froyo update asap, still ended up stuck Eclair even the Milestone 2 is released already...
Only until this year then they release the Froyo updates, with many BUGS...
Hopefully WP7 won't follow the same trend
on the side note, 1 or 2 months are still quite long for me ~ lol
When can we expect support to continue until for our trophys and omnias through official roms? Tango? Apollo? Unknown?
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well i dont think even microsoft employees know this for sure so its just guessing for now... id say the apollo will be the last update available for us ;]
Apollo is WP8? With only one generation of phones available, I'm eager to see how (and if) MS will take care of the old devices in a year or so. Did they ever say something in this regard?
Yea, apollo is rumoured to be the next big mango like release and bring WP8 while tango will be the nodo like one.
I think that actualization will be available as long as hardware in our mobiles will be sufficient.
So this is official support. Although unless hardware requirements change I'm sure we will still get some custom roms afterwards which will give us new updates etc.
Btw when are tango and Apollo suspected to be released? Would make sense for Apollo (provided it is indeed wp8) to be released with Windows 8 which is rumored Q4 2012. How long after Apollo will there be a new update and will we still be supported?
I am assuming most of us are on a 2 year contract so if the updates are "to die for" I don't see it being too much of a problem as we could possibly just upgrade to a next Gen windows phone device
Nothing official or unofficial has been said that I know of. However I think Apollo would be the last update available for us.
It would make sense for them to support phones for at least two years, that way hardware won't hold back the progress in regards to the actual operating system. Plus after 2 years most people in the US are eligible for an upgrade!
Zune players
The Zune players have been supported for many years. So we can at least hope for the same with the phones to receive updates as long as the hardware supports it. The only problem is that now it depends on the OEMs and carriers as well.
I remember back when the 1st generation WP7 handsets were launched, sideloading was a hot topic and everybody discusses about it. Soon after, Chevron came up with an unlock which allowed sideloading and users were happy.
But when 2nd generation WP7.5 handsets were launched, I see virtually no discussions at all about sideloading on these phones, and I think it's a waste. It'd be great to have the discussions going on how this can be done, who can do it, what needs to be available for it to be done. Soon maybe XDA will come up with a way to unlock the 2nd generation handsets and allow sideloading?
Or is XDA almost exclusive to Android already?
Microsoft's official jailbreak tool will be released soon and will be compatible with 2nd generation WP7 devices, so you'll be able to sideload. It won't be free, but I'm almost sure that, after the release, someone will work out how to do It for free.
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I remember back when the 1st generation WP7 handsets were launched, sideloading was a hot topic and everybody discusses about it. Soon after, Chevron came up with an unlock which allowed sideloading and users were happy.
But when 2nd generation WP7.5 handsets were launched, I see virtually no discussions at all about sideloading on these phones, and I think it's a waste. It'd be great to have the discussions going on how this can be done, who can do it, what needs to be available for it to be done. Soon maybe XDA will come up with a way to unlock the 2nd generation handsets and allow sideloading?
Or is XDA almost exclusive to Android already?
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this thread talks about sideloading on 7.5 for some time now. The only devices which are not covered at the moment are HTCs, but it's just a matter of time.
so, yes, there are discussions here for 2nd generation devices. Sideloading is not a limitation of the hardware version (1st or 2nd generation) but of the OS and people are working on 7.5 and already have solutions for many devices.
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Microsoft's official jailbreak tool will be released soon and will be compatible with 2nd generation WP7 devices, so you'll be able to sideload. It won't be free, but I'm almost sure that, after the release, someone will work out how to do It for free.
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Nice. But I wonder if they will set any limitations on that unlock? I'm a bit skeptical because it's Microsoft who locks it, and now it's Microsoft who unlocks it. Not sure if we will enjoy more, or less freedom.
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this thread talks about sideloading on 7.5 for some time now. The only devices which are not covered at the moment are HTCs, but it's just a matter of time.
so, yes, there are discussions here for 2nd generation devices. Sideloading is not a limitation of the hardware version (1st or 2nd generation) but of the OS and people are working on 7.5 and already have solutions for many devices.
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I think the interop-unlock is for first generation devices that come with 7.5? I'm not sure, but according to the instructions it only works if you revert back to NoDo? I think new WP7.5 devices (non-HTC) like Omnia W, Focus S, Lumia 800 may not work because they dont' have NoDo to revert back to? Again I'm not so sure about it...
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I think the interop-unlock is for first generation devices that come with 7.5? I'm not sure, but according to the instructions it only works if you revert back to NoDo? I think new WP7.5 devices (non-HTC) like Omnia W, Focus S, Lumia 800 may not work because they dont' have NoDo to revert back to? Again I'm not so sure about it...
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Take a look at this: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1271963
This should also work with the new Samsung phones.
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...The only devices which are not covered at the moment are HTCs...
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and the Dell Venue Pro...
Hello guys,
I'm wondering whether my samsung focus sgh-i917 will have the apollo update,
can any body give us official certified answer?
Thanks in advance
ihabsad said:
Hello guys,
I'm wondering whether my samsung focus sgh-i917 will have the apollo update,
can any body give us official certified answer?
Thanks in advance
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apollo is wp8, none of the current wp7 devices will be able to run apollo.
but ALL(!) will receive the wp7.8 update, which brings some lite-wp8-feeling.
roqstr said:
apollo is wp8, none of the current wp7 devices will be able to run apollo.
but ALL(!) will receive the wp7.8 update, which brings some lite-wp8-feeling.
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oookaay,
many thanks for the info,
I quess that but I needed confirmation
I think WP8 UI screen will be great an enough for me until I upgrade to a high end HTC WP8 devise
According to what I have been reading, 7.8 seems to be just a UI change so far (more details may come up later). Paul Thurott site says that it is an OTA update that will by bypassing the carriers. This too me indicates that it will go to all post-mango phones.
Any word on official launch date?
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Any word on official launch date?
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Nothing yet
Nokia said something about their users getting it in a few weeks but, it was pulled back and though it was going to be Tango. No one is sure on that.
I bet we get it from here (XDA) before we get the offical one. I want it on my custom rom
Yes all existing windows phone device will get windows phone 7.8 according to microsoft.
So, since Microsoft forgot to let us know when 7.8 will be available, have anyone heard any rumors?
In my country people from microsoft talked about January or February
WP7.8 official release?
I was also about to post this question
Now that MS has taken lid off WP8, they should also declare official availability of WP7.8 for us- owners of their legacy WP7 devices.
Is it possible the Lumia 610 will get his update?
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Is it possible the Lumia 610 will get his update?
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Every Windows Phone 7.1 7.5 will get it. the only problem is how, some are saying it will be released from the manufacturers itself on new models which run 7.8 and then we can "port" them, and then somebody says if microsoft not push it to every and let it do the carriers 80% of the users can wait forever to get it. Some sources say after the launch of WP8 and couple of weeks after that you can go to your carrier and they will flash it for you. I have also seen an Nokia News twitter post where a user is upset why nobody has mentioned 7.8 in the presentation yesterday. and Nokia News responded on twitter with "news on wp 7.8 will be soon, stay tuned" or something like that... So it can only take to new year for 7.8 thats my thoughts.
http://www.wpcentral.com/windows-phone-78-probably-coming-late
Windows Phone 8 is to be formally released in a few more hours. But guess a whole lot of us care more about its little brother: Windows Phone 7.8. For existing Windows Phone users who aren't buying a new device at this time, Windows Phone 7.8 is the real savior. There's bad news coming from Chinese site WPDang though: it'll be coming late.
Citing undisclosed sources, the site claims that Windows Phone 7.8 won't come through OTA update first. Instead, after a few weeks of Windows Phone 8 debut, version 7.8 will show up pre-loaded on new low-end devices. Afterward, OEMs will be pushing out OTA updates to older phones.
If true, this sounds awfully like what it was like with Windows Phone 7.5 (Mango): Fujitsu IS12T, Nokia Lumia 800, HTC Titan, then existing devices started to get the update gradually. Some OEMs might choose to update old phones in a manual way in retail stores, like what HTC did back then in Taiwan.
The good news is that, Windows Phone 8.0 and 7.8 are largely the same. Let's pray no one is left behind.
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I am not entirely sure if that article is correct.
According to Nokia, Lumia devices (610 through 900) will be getting the update first. There are no new 7.8 devices announced in the following months, so it is safe to assume that by the end of the year we will have 7.8
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I am not entirely sure if that article is correct.
According to Nokia, Lumia devices (610 through 900) will be getting the update first. There are no new 7.8 devices announced in the following months, so it is safe to assume that by the end of the year we will have 7.8
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well, when ever it comes and to whatever device, lets get those cab files shared ASAP so we can all have a piece of the pie
http://www.gsmarena.com/_windows_phone_italys_facebook_page_reveals_wp78_features-news-5028.php
Whoever is managing the Windows Phone Italia Facebook page was more talkative, however, and answered a question from a fan, revealing the new features that v7.8 will bring. The response has been deleted since.
The list includes the new homescreen (which we already knew), something called 'Club', which we guess is Rooms, Xbox Music and SmartGlass.
Facebook is hardly a reliable source of info, but the features listed seem quite probable - we already know about the homescreen, Rooms and SmartGlass are available for other OSes too, so it's unlikely they will be excluded from WP7.8 and Xbox Music will bring the existing user base to Microsoft's new music service.
In case you don't know yet, Windows Phone 7.8 will be released for 7 and 7.5 devices, as the old hardware won't get updated to WP8.
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7.8 will bring about as much as windows phone 8 does. The only things we won't get in 7.8 is the things closely related to hardware like NFC, real multitasking (apparently dual core CPUs are needed for that) and directx support (so we won't be able to run some games).
That's pretty much all the differences.
And before you ask me how i know this, think about it...if it were only a few features, why not push the upgrade sooner? They actually take their time to implement stuff.
Windows Phone Italy said that it would be released 2 weeks after the WP8 launch (google it)