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Hi,
Was just wondering what people thought about the Prime's RAM. I know nothing has been officially stated but there are strong rumours that it will have 1GB!
I hope it comes with at least 2GB as it will inevitably become possible to port windows 8 onto it. As we all know, 1GB doesn't cut it these days for an OS.
It also just seems right. Devices have had 1GB for 2 years now! If they don't put it in these devices, software will never use it.
Thoughts?
what do you mean 1GB RAM doesn't cut it for an OS?? Android is an OS, and its perfectly happy with 1GB of RAM...
1 gb is more than enough for the asus eee pc transformer
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I just don't think it pushes boundaries.
My GS2 has 1GB and that's a phone. I regularly use up to 800mb on that and that it without HD streaming (something I intend to do on my tablet).
On such a premium device it feels like a compromise. Another 1GB would cost nothing in today's world.
Port windows 8? I thought it will have an ARM version, but 2GB is better than 1.
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Windows 8 will run on the Tegra 3. This has been confirmed along time back
windows 8 is not open source. there will never be a port of it for the transformer...that is unless of course asus/ms had a secret agreement to release either a windows 8 version of TF2, or a retail version of Windows 8 that is non-warranty-voiding, and user-installable.
either way, if there was such an agreement, asus would design the TF with W8 requirements in mind...and give it the neccessary hardware.
but this is very improbable. windows 8 may be portable to the TF2...but even if that were true...licensing will always prevent it from being something you can just do.
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Microsoft showcased windows 8 running on a 1ghz tegra 2 processor with 1 gig of ram and it ran fine
Saying it is possible but boot loader would have to be rewritten and you would need a legitimate cerial key but it is technically possible
Without a doubt it is possible.
Surely installing windows 8 on it with a valid serial is fine. It is designed to run on Tegra 3. I image once the ARM version is released and the Prime has been out a while this topic will heat up.
Hopefully 1GB (rumoured) won't cause a problem.
This thread is so stupid IMHO.
My first computer had RAM measured in K, I never ran out. I've just replaced a Windows XP PC that had 2GB with one that has 8GB and Windows 7. I was just starting to be able to fill more than 1GB of memory when pushing it to the limits. I'ved used mobile devices with 256MB to 1GB and never overloaded them, I tend to abuse systems when it comes to processes and multitasking. I have gone as far as *compiling* code for days at a time under FreeBSD and never had problems with even 1GB, even if using it as a fully functional system at the same time. Even seeing swap space getting used was a very rare thing.
If you seriously *need* more than 1GB of memory in your transformer, I must ask if you are using it to transcode a Petabyte of high definition porn.
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IMHO, I fully agree with the OP.
While you may not need more than one GB of ram, I sure would like to have it.
Plus as was stated earlier, phones come with 1GB of ram. Currently tablets are no more powerful than phones. I'd like my tablet to be a bit more powerful than a phone. Maybe then we'll start seeing some better software designed specifically with tablets in mind.
Which is pointless because there are so many more iPads than Android tablets, that for the near term, the current gen of iPad will set the hardware gap that software would be designed around. The best near-future hope for Tablet oriented apps that way in my honest opinion, is iPad+Android apps because of the ROI we're the leaches not the wolves. By the time something like what you want occurs, you will be able to get a free Android phone on contract with more power than the TF101. Maybe we might also have 4GB tablets as well.
My TF is considerably more powerful than my handset but I live in the real world. Culture will not make that big a revolution unless Android tablets have enough market share and consumers throw enough $$$ their way. With how many people I've met that will shell out $500++ for a phone and than take a piss if they need to buy an app for $3 that will last for another five handsets--I don't see that happening either, personally. I like the idea of a tablet more powerful than a phone but I realize phones sell a lot more units right now and will keep doing so versus Android tablets for a good while more. Wishes don't change worlds unless you hack the reality.
The Prime's principal evolution is a next gen SoC and refinements to the TF101. It's like an update to DooM II from DooM, not a Ferrari from your Mustang. And it was never billed as such.
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Other forums are being very unhelpful.
I'm going to upgrade a PC that was handed down to me, but the upgrade.specs baffled me. Been working with comps for a long while, but this just makes no sense. I would like to upgrade to at least 8gb ram.
Memory upgrade information
Dual channel memory architecture
Two DDR3 DIMM (240-pin) sockets
Supported DIMM types:
PC3-8500 (DDR3-1066)
PC3-10600 (DDR3-1333)
Non-ECC memory only, unbuffered
Supports 2GB DDR2 DIMMs
Supports up to 4 GB* on 32 bit PCs
*32-bit operating systems cannot address a full 4.0 GB of memory.
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Unless its just a typo. Which now makes sense, I am tired, but looking for someone with more knowledge of newer PC stuff.
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As a little hardware project, does anyone think it's possible to add/upgrade the RAM on the tf. I see it as the weakest point on our beloved machine :3 I've thought of 3 options:
1. Add a better stick/another stick to increase size (optimal)
2. Change the DDR2 stick to a DDR3 (Good)
3. Optimize the current RAM, mabye run ram off of flash memory? (okay)
Is this possible? What sort of ram would be needed?
Thing O Doom said:
As a little hardware project, does anyone think it's possible to add/upgrade the RAM on the tf. I see it as the weakest point on our beloved machine :3 I've thought of 3 options:
1. Add a better stick/another stick to increase size (optimal)
2. Change the DDR2 stick to a DDR3 (Good)
3. Optimize the current RAM, mabye run ram off of flash memory? (okay)
Is this possible? What sort of ram would be needed?
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Is yes i see no reason why you can't change the ddr2 1gb to something bigger (i own reflow eq for doing mods like this)
You will need real tools not a easy mod it's a 10 out of 10 for most anyone with a high risk you might destroy your tf101
I have done 8 cable modems 6 routers a few printers and a kendel fire with good results
But i do repairs like this at work every day.
The tools used set me back about 1,900$ US
I have no problems doing the mod for others but your going to have to pay for all supplies and shipping both ways
I have been a server repair tech for 7 years.
Some changes to the kernel might be needed
I have not done this to my tf101 but i did change my tf101 flash to 32GB with no problems had to nvflash to load rom but i had known i might have to
#2
No tegra only works with ddr2
#3.1
Most custom roms do a lot of optimizing to your apps if you reboot and format catch
#3.2
Yes but bad idea it's just way to slow to be any real help
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darn, because tegra 3 works with ddr3. (tf prime) I don't have sbkv1, so the nvflash to reload a rom if I really mess up sounds a tad scary.. Also my budget is more like 250-300USD not 1900!! That'd be insane, I might as well get an ultrabook at that price
I'll have to settle with trying to tweak the page file a bit, thanks
Is it really possible to swap the ram in the tf101?
I would not say no to my tablet having 4gb of ram hell even 2gb
Anyone can confirm? Or maybe give a little instruction on suitable ram etc?
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Danzano said:
Is it really possible to swap the ram in the tf101?
I would not say no to my tablet having 4gb of ram hell even 2gb
Anyone can confirm? Or maybe give a little instruction on suitable ram etc?
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Technically yes, its possible... but trust me, nobody will be doing it. It is not like changing RAM in a PC, the RAM is literally a single IC soldered directly to the motherboard next to the tegra2 chip.
My soldering skills are average, so that'd be out of my league, I don't want to break it D:
a.mcdear said:
Technically yes, its possible... but trust me, nobody will be doing it. It is not like changing RAM in a PC, the RAM is literally a single IC soldered directly to the motherboard next to the tegra2 chip.
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So you could technically put 2-4gb of ram in the tf101?
If you edited things round a little could you also dedicate more ram to the gpu?
I just think its quite an interesting and awesome idea also i get my ram down to 250mb free or lower quite often.
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Danzano said:
So you could technically put 2-4gb of ram in the tf101?
If you edited things round a little could you also dedicate more ram to the gpu?
I just think its quite an interesting and awesome idea also i get my ram down to 250mb free or lower quite often.
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I think he did say you'd need a custom kernel though. So if you know how to compile, go right ahead.
It will also depend on if the Tegra2 can recognize more than 1 GB of RAM. I read somewhere that this is a limitation that the chip will not recognize more, but I do not have the source to know for sure.
I got my hopes up for nothing as the Charge did not make the list
http://www.engadget.com/2012/09/24/samsung-rolling-jelly-bean-toward-most-of-its-smartphone-tablet/
It has already been said that jb and touchwiz would never fit on our system partition.
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I think the bigger issue here besides getting 4.1 is... the mobile market needs to follow the model of the PC for the enduser.
I would be willing to pay some money to upgrade to the next major OS updates for my devices. Whether its my tablets or my phone. I wouldn't mind if I could only get vanilla android either.
It would put the power in the consumers hands. For example, I bought a laptop with windows vista and later upgraded it to windows 7 since my laptop could run it well. I hope someday android is able to do this as well. And sooner rather than later.
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bubarub said:
I think the bigger issue here besides getting 4.1 is... the mobile market needs to follow the model of the PC for the enduser.
I would be willing to pay some money to upgrade to the next major OS updates for my devices. Whether its my tablets or my phone. I wouldn't mind if I could only get vanilla android either.
It would put the power in the consumers hands. For example, I bought a laptop with windows vista and later upgraded it to windows 7 since my laptop could run it well. I hope someday android is able to do this as well. And sooner rather than later.
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The problem is that upgrading a phone will never be as straightforward as upgrading a PC. There's no one "Android Operating System" that exists as a general purpose OS. AOSP is the base, but even Google does more work to it before it goes on a Nexus device. Every phone has different hardware, which requires different drivers, and often, different close-source software and libraries, which means that every version of Android is a different embedded OS that is based on core Android. Making it generalized enough to run across the board on all hardware on the market would bloat it. It would make it memory, CPU, and power inefficient. We like to think of our phones as powerful miniature computers, but in reality, they don't even match the processor and memory capabilities of the average netbook. It's only through careful optimizations that it is able to run the way it runs, and you can't just slap a generic version of Android on a device and expect the same results.
Its not impossible...
And isn't every computer different from one another just like a phone or tablets?!
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bubarub said:
Its not impossible...
And isn't every computer different from one another just like a phone or tablets?!
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As Shrike said - the phones are too small and don't have the capacity that computers do for memory, disk and processor. Even if they did, the power draw would be excessive. Everything is extremely customized to fit within the phone's tiny footprint.
BTW - every computer has it's own limits with respect to memory and cpu capacity. Yes, you can upgrade, but there is a point of diminishing returns. What's the point of installing the fastest processor if the bus can't handle it? It goes on and on.
Lastly, it will never be in their best interests (profits, new sales) to adopt the computer model. They don't like that you keep a computer for years. They want churn. They want planned obsolescence.
bubarub said:
Its not impossible...
And isn't every computer different from one another just like a phone or tablets?!
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Impossible? No. Highly impractical? Yes
A computer has enough memory, storage, and processor power that the larger footprint of the "everything and the kitchen sink" model doesn't bog it down the way it would a phone. Just look at storage space alone...when you don't know exactly what hardware you're going to encounter, you have to account for all possibilities. Just the extra storage is going to add tangibly to the cost. Then you have the extra power drain required for the more efficient processors that will be needed to run the more generic OS correctly, and the extra RAM needed to load all of it's parts. A smartphone is a modern example of the classic embedded system. When you have limited resources to work with, your OS has to be more focused, customized, and efficient to work in an acceptable way.
So, yes, it's possible in the broadest sense, but do you want to pay $1500+ for the device that can be upgraded at will and be out of date within 2 years? Or would you rather pay $100-$500 every two years for the latest hardware and OS, at the expense of a more limited upgrade path? Personally, I know where I'll put my money.
Haha good point on that last paragraph! I agree.
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Specs
It doesn't take much to look at the default off the shelf Dell box's specs and compare them to that of any phone. The Intel Core i7 or AMD FX-8150 processors would smoke any ARM on the market for mobiles. Memory in the desktop is 4GB Dual Channel DDR3 SDRAM at 1600MHz. Again crushing the Droid Charge and every other phone. 1TB 7200RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive, nuff said man won't be there for mobile for a while now. The power consumption would drain your mobiles battery in the time it takes to boot up. Let us also not forget that GHz and GB and TB don't all perform the same across the board. For instance a 1TB parallel ATA drive, 1TB SATA, and 1TB SSD differ vastly in performance. The NVIDIA Tegra 3 Quad core, 1.2 GHz, ARM Cortex-A9 processor in the Nexus 7 just doesn't hold a candle to the Intel Core i7-640UM Dual Core 1.2 GHz. It's about more than cores and clock speeds.
MikeAGriffey said:
It doesn't take much to look at the default off the shelf Dell box's specs and compare them to that of any phone. The Intel Core i7 or AMD FX-8150 processors would smoke any ARM on the market for mobiles. Memory in the desktop is 4GB Dual Channel DDR3 SDRAM at 1600MHz. Again crushing the Droid Charge and every other phone. 1TB 7200RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive, nuff said man won't be there for mobile for a while now. The power consumption would drain your mobiles battery in the time it takes to boot up. Let us also not forget that GHz and GB and TB don't all perform the same across the board. For instance a 1TB parallel ATA drive, 1TB SATA, and 1TB SSD differ vastly in performance. The NVIDIA Tegra 3 Quad core, 1.2 GHz, ARM Cortex-A9 processor in the Nexus 7 just doesn't hold a candle to the Intel Core i7-640UM Dual Core 1.2 GHz. It's about more than cores and clock speeds.
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I could take the time to pick apart your post and make fun of you, but there isn't any point.
Kind of like your post.
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Time to just give up on JB or ICS for charge. I just upgraded to galaxy nexus. I love it and highly recommend it. Cheers!
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I'm pretty new here and sorry of this has already been asked to death but anyways, I was looking to get into android app and game development. I was wondering what kind of computer would be best for this task. I already run Linux on my old laptop, so not worried about OS, but as far as specs go, what would be preferred (i.e. how much RAM, processing power, hard drive space, brand, etc?
Windows is best. .7 most preferred
phone:Micromax A100
ROM: Killerdroid v2
Recovery: CWM V.6.0
It depends on your budget, and the complexity of the game you are attempting to make. I'm able to do rudimentary dev work on my old rig. An Intel core i3, 3gigs of ram, and a 256gb ssd.
I'd suggest that you go with a good i5, or a low i7. Alternatively, you could wait for the new Haswell chips, but they are more towards power saving, not performance
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R: [Q] What kind of computer would be best for Android app/game development
You can buy what computer you want at least 1gb RAM and 2ghz CPU.
Don't forget to install linux distribution on there
You can have Windows 7 but it's a good thing to have linux if you are going to develop on android.
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