Hi,
Was just wondering what people thought about the Prime's RAM. I know nothing has been officially stated but there are strong rumours that it will have 1GB!
I hope it comes with at least 2GB as it will inevitably become possible to port windows 8 onto it. As we all know, 1GB doesn't cut it these days for an OS.
It also just seems right. Devices have had 1GB for 2 years now! If they don't put it in these devices, software will never use it.
Thoughts?
what do you mean 1GB RAM doesn't cut it for an OS?? Android is an OS, and its perfectly happy with 1GB of RAM...
1 gb is more than enough for the asus eee pc transformer
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I just don't think it pushes boundaries.
My GS2 has 1GB and that's a phone. I regularly use up to 800mb on that and that it without HD streaming (something I intend to do on my tablet).
On such a premium device it feels like a compromise. Another 1GB would cost nothing in today's world.
Port windows 8? I thought it will have an ARM version, but 2GB is better than 1.
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Windows 8 will run on the Tegra 3. This has been confirmed along time back
windows 8 is not open source. there will never be a port of it for the transformer...that is unless of course asus/ms had a secret agreement to release either a windows 8 version of TF2, or a retail version of Windows 8 that is non-warranty-voiding, and user-installable.
either way, if there was such an agreement, asus would design the TF with W8 requirements in mind...and give it the neccessary hardware.
but this is very improbable. windows 8 may be portable to the TF2...but even if that were true...licensing will always prevent it from being something you can just do.
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Microsoft showcased windows 8 running on a 1ghz tegra 2 processor with 1 gig of ram and it ran fine
Saying it is possible but boot loader would have to be rewritten and you would need a legitimate cerial key but it is technically possible
Without a doubt it is possible.
Surely installing windows 8 on it with a valid serial is fine. It is designed to run on Tegra 3. I image once the ARM version is released and the Prime has been out a while this topic will heat up.
Hopefully 1GB (rumoured) won't cause a problem.
This thread is so stupid IMHO.
My first computer had RAM measured in K, I never ran out. I've just replaced a Windows XP PC that had 2GB with one that has 8GB and Windows 7. I was just starting to be able to fill more than 1GB of memory when pushing it to the limits. I'ved used mobile devices with 256MB to 1GB and never overloaded them, I tend to abuse systems when it comes to processes and multitasking. I have gone as far as *compiling* code for days at a time under FreeBSD and never had problems with even 1GB, even if using it as a fully functional system at the same time. Even seeing swap space getting used was a very rare thing.
If you seriously *need* more than 1GB of memory in your transformer, I must ask if you are using it to transcode a Petabyte of high definition porn.
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IMHO, I fully agree with the OP.
While you may not need more than one GB of ram, I sure would like to have it.
Plus as was stated earlier, phones come with 1GB of ram. Currently tablets are no more powerful than phones. I'd like my tablet to be a bit more powerful than a phone. Maybe then we'll start seeing some better software designed specifically with tablets in mind.
Which is pointless because there are so many more iPads than Android tablets, that for the near term, the current gen of iPad will set the hardware gap that software would be designed around. The best near-future hope for Tablet oriented apps that way in my honest opinion, is iPad+Android apps because of the ROI we're the leaches not the wolves. By the time something like what you want occurs, you will be able to get a free Android phone on contract with more power than the TF101. Maybe we might also have 4GB tablets as well.
My TF is considerably more powerful than my handset but I live in the real world. Culture will not make that big a revolution unless Android tablets have enough market share and consumers throw enough $$$ their way. With how many people I've met that will shell out $500++ for a phone and than take a piss if they need to buy an app for $3 that will last for another five handsets--I don't see that happening either, personally. I like the idea of a tablet more powerful than a phone but I realize phones sell a lot more units right now and will keep doing so versus Android tablets for a good while more. Wishes don't change worlds unless you hack the reality.
The Prime's principal evolution is a next gen SoC and refinements to the TF101. It's like an update to DooM II from DooM, not a Ferrari from your Mustang. And it was never billed as such.
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Related
http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/11/viewsonic-viewpad-10-and-10s-hands-on/
I'm just wondering if the one running 2.2 and Tegra2 has a better screen. Aside from that main difference looks to be an HDMI out port.
If anyone has any interest in hands-on experiences with the ViewPad 10 let me know. This is the tablet that dual-boots Windows 7 and Android 1.6.
I bought one for my wife for Christmas and she is really happy with it. Windows runs well and the touch interface works well. The Android half is only 1.6 but runs really fast and does what she needs to.
Craig
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craigwillie said:
If anyone has any interest in hands-on experiences with the ViewPad 10 let me know. This is the tablet that dual-boots Windows 7 and Android 1.6.
I bought one for my wife for Christmas and she is really happy with it. Windows runs well and the touch interface works well. The Android half is only 1.6 but runs really fast and does what she needs to.
Craig
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Is this CPU dual core?
What is the touchscreen? eGalax?
Has vacant mini-pci-e?
Or all the 2 mini pci-e slots are occupied by SSD and Wifi card?
Can you upgrade the RAM from 1 Gb to 2 Gb card?
Is SD card recognised in Grub and can you boot by SD in the current GRUB setup?
Looks like the 10s is actually a version of the Vega.
Windows tabs (this one included) are Atom cpu powered and the chipset can not handle Android code beyond 1.6.
Though the Tegra 2 is powerful for a passively cooled chipset, it will not power Windows well at all. Need more cpu power and fan cooling.
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Looks like the 10s is actually a version of the Vega.
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Seems like it, just with a different chassis. But why would VS do that?
In essence, if it IS Vega guts then it's no different than a G Tablet except that it has less internal storage + the hdmi port. That would be pretty...what's the word, scammy? Maybe they're trying to 'shed' the G Tablet image.
But you don't give people less bang for their buck albeit in a different/new package and manage to charge more for it unless you're Apple or evil.
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Windows tabs (this one included) are Atom cpu powered and the chipset can not handle Android code beyond 1.6.
Though the Tegra 2 is powerful for a passively cooled chipset, it will not power Windows well at all. Need more cpu power and fan cooling.
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Wha?
I was under the impression the only reason Tegra 2 doesn't power Windows currently is that Windows doesn't have an ARM compatible product currently, and that should change by 2012.
As far as Android on intel architecture - that's up to Google. There's no reason that it shouldn't be able to run well unless Google has optimized code in Android especially for ARM vs. x86/x64 since Linux runs well on everything.
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Seems like it, just with a different chassis. But why would VS do that?
In essence, if it IS Vega guts then it's no different than a G Tablet except that it has less internal storage + the hdmi port. That would be pretty...what's the word, scammy? Maybe they're trying to 'shed' the G Tablet image.
But you don't give people less bang for their buck albeit in a different/new package and manage to charge more for it unless you're Apple or evil.
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The article says it is only available outside the US. So it looks like they want a tablet both inside and ouside the US. Maybe it is easier for them to choose two tablets that are already approved to work in the corresponding locations, compared to getting the gtablet modified to work outside the US or the Vega modified to work inside.
Folks, there is no such thing as a Tegra 2 Windows device. Will not work correctly.
The device has an Intel Atom 400 series chipset and has a fan.
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Folks, there is no such thing as a Tegra 2 Windows device. Will not work correctly.
The device has an Intel Atom 400 series chipset and has a fan.
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Not sure what you are saying. The Viewpad 10 is the one with android 1.6 and windows and has the atom processor and fan. The Viewpad 10s is a rebranded advent vega with a tegra 2, running android 2.2.
A fan has noting to do with anything. My windows 7 netbook is passivly cooled. The tegra 2 is more than enough to handle windows, the oly problem being is an arm arcitecture. But hey! We can run windows 95/98 with bochs!
There is absolutely no way that you will ever run Windows 7 on any ARM processor (ie: the Tegra 2). ARM is a totally different and incompatible architecture from x86, which is what Windows 7 runs on.
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Neoprimal said:
Seems like it, just with a different chassis. But why would VS do that?
In essence, if it IS Vega guts then it's no different than a G Tablet except that it has less internal storage + the hdmi port. That would be pretty...what's the word, scammy? Maybe they're trying to 'shed' the G Tablet image.
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I think you got it right there. I would assume the VEGA is a lot more successful (critically-wise) than the GTablet's been so maybe they are looking to leave the Android tablet making to the experts!
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But you don't give people less bang for their buck albeit in a different/new package
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If we're both right, then the premium you are paying is more than likely a manufacturing fee to VEGA and HOPEFULLY some marketing push from Viewsonic to get this thing popular and get a good following for the device. The reason WE want a following... DEVs to MOD it!
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and manage to charge more for it unless you're Apple or evil.
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OR BOTH! LOL!
Actually Froyo-x86 is possible AND released!
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Windows tabs (this one included) are Atom cpu powered and the chipset can not handle Android code beyond 1.6.
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The ViewPad 10 uses the Android-x86 projects port of 1.6. However, those guys just recently released a version of Froyo-x86... and it includes a specific port for the ViewPad 10!
http://www.android-x86.org/releases/release_2_2
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The article says it is only available outside the US. So it looks like they want a tablet both inside and ouside the US. Maybe it is easier for them to choose two tablets that are already approved to work in the corresponding locations, compared to getting the gtablet modified to work outside the US or the Vega modified to work inside.
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You can get a duo 10s from Amazon now "ViewSonic ViewPad10 10.1-Inch Dual Boot Tablet Supports Windows Home Premium and Android OS with Wi Fi/Bluetooth (Black)" for $599.
I'm an iOS/Java developer and I want to learn Android dev and port my apps to Android devices. I know there's simulators, but I'm a firm believer in "dogfooding," and want to "live" with the software running on real hardware for a few days, so, I'm looking at the ~$200 Android options... I can read the spec sheets and shoot-out comparisons as well as the next guy, but I was wondering what's the groupthink here?
What I'm considering (so far; open to other suggestions):
IdeaPad A1
Kindle Fire (rooted)
Waiting for the rumored Google ICS tablet
Thoughts? Capacitive touch screen (ideally with at least 1024x600 resolution), decent responsiveness (adequate CPU and RAM), reliable WiFi connectivity are must-haves. Anything from 2.3 on would be interesting.
I have a PRS-T1 I rooted and am happily running a mix of eReader apps on, and I had a Nook Color running CM7.1 but it was always flaky and inadvertently (unrelatedly) became a chew toy for my newest rescue dog...
Thanks!
Try the Asus MeMO Pad, it has high-end specs for $250.
http://reviews.cnet.com/tablets/asus-eee-pad-memo/4505-3126_7-35117824.html
However, I would suggest going for the Asus Padfone, as it represents the first step towards a future with modular computing, a paradigm shift on the level of having smartphones in the first place.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBTc3gn7jBE
hackintoshable said:
I'm an iOS/Java developer and I want to learn Android dev and port my apps to Android devices. I know there's simulators, but I'm a firm believer in "dogfooding," and want to "live" with the software running on real hardware for a few days, so, I'm looking at the ~$200 Android options... I can read the spec sheets and shoot-out comparisons as well as the next guy, but I was wondering what's the groupthink here?
What I'm considering (so far; open to other suggestions):
IdeaPad A1
Kindle Fire (rooted)
Waiting for the rumored Google ICS tablet
Thoughts? Capacitive touch screen (ideally with at least 1024x600 resolution), decent responsiveness (adequate CPU and RAM), reliable WiFi connectivity are must-haves. Anything from 2.3 on would be interesting.
I have a PRS-T1 I rooted and am happily running a mix of eReader apps on, and I had a Nook Color running CM7.1 but it was always flaky and inadvertently (unrelatedly) became a chew toy for my newest rescue dog...
Thanks!
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Being that Im guessing you would like to stay in the $200.00 price range I strongly suggest you check out swappa.com Its the "Ebay of Android" and I know of few here at XDA that have used it with much success. I think you will like what you find.
Galaxy tab 7 2 is 250 brand new so u might be able to get a used one for cheaper
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nook tablet with custom rom (cm7)
*almost same spec (same processor, etc) with kindle fire but nook has 16gb, micro sd slot and 1gb ram compared to kindle fire's no micro sd and 512mb ram
link - barnesandnoble.com/p/nook-tablet-barnes-noble/1104687969
trust me, 512mb ram is just not enough
it seems samsung galaxy tab2 7 is 249$.
fisherwei said:
it seems samsung galaxy tab2 7 is 249$.
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I just got one last week and I am very pleased with it.
I got my hopes up for nothing as the Charge did not make the list
http://www.engadget.com/2012/09/24/samsung-rolling-jelly-bean-toward-most-of-its-smartphone-tablet/
It has already been said that jb and touchwiz would never fit on our system partition.
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I think the bigger issue here besides getting 4.1 is... the mobile market needs to follow the model of the PC for the enduser.
I would be willing to pay some money to upgrade to the next major OS updates for my devices. Whether its my tablets or my phone. I wouldn't mind if I could only get vanilla android either.
It would put the power in the consumers hands. For example, I bought a laptop with windows vista and later upgraded it to windows 7 since my laptop could run it well. I hope someday android is able to do this as well. And sooner rather than later.
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I think the bigger issue here besides getting 4.1 is... the mobile market needs to follow the model of the PC for the enduser.
I would be willing to pay some money to upgrade to the next major OS updates for my devices. Whether its my tablets or my phone. I wouldn't mind if I could only get vanilla android either.
It would put the power in the consumers hands. For example, I bought a laptop with windows vista and later upgraded it to windows 7 since my laptop could run it well. I hope someday android is able to do this as well. And sooner rather than later.
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The problem is that upgrading a phone will never be as straightforward as upgrading a PC. There's no one "Android Operating System" that exists as a general purpose OS. AOSP is the base, but even Google does more work to it before it goes on a Nexus device. Every phone has different hardware, which requires different drivers, and often, different close-source software and libraries, which means that every version of Android is a different embedded OS that is based on core Android. Making it generalized enough to run across the board on all hardware on the market would bloat it. It would make it memory, CPU, and power inefficient. We like to think of our phones as powerful miniature computers, but in reality, they don't even match the processor and memory capabilities of the average netbook. It's only through careful optimizations that it is able to run the way it runs, and you can't just slap a generic version of Android on a device and expect the same results.
Its not impossible...
And isn't every computer different from one another just like a phone or tablets?!
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bubarub said:
Its not impossible...
And isn't every computer different from one another just like a phone or tablets?!
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As Shrike said - the phones are too small and don't have the capacity that computers do for memory, disk and processor. Even if they did, the power draw would be excessive. Everything is extremely customized to fit within the phone's tiny footprint.
BTW - every computer has it's own limits with respect to memory and cpu capacity. Yes, you can upgrade, but there is a point of diminishing returns. What's the point of installing the fastest processor if the bus can't handle it? It goes on and on.
Lastly, it will never be in their best interests (profits, new sales) to adopt the computer model. They don't like that you keep a computer for years. They want churn. They want planned obsolescence.
bubarub said:
Its not impossible...
And isn't every computer different from one another just like a phone or tablets?!
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Impossible? No. Highly impractical? Yes
A computer has enough memory, storage, and processor power that the larger footprint of the "everything and the kitchen sink" model doesn't bog it down the way it would a phone. Just look at storage space alone...when you don't know exactly what hardware you're going to encounter, you have to account for all possibilities. Just the extra storage is going to add tangibly to the cost. Then you have the extra power drain required for the more efficient processors that will be needed to run the more generic OS correctly, and the extra RAM needed to load all of it's parts. A smartphone is a modern example of the classic embedded system. When you have limited resources to work with, your OS has to be more focused, customized, and efficient to work in an acceptable way.
So, yes, it's possible in the broadest sense, but do you want to pay $1500+ for the device that can be upgraded at will and be out of date within 2 years? Or would you rather pay $100-$500 every two years for the latest hardware and OS, at the expense of a more limited upgrade path? Personally, I know where I'll put my money.
Haha good point on that last paragraph! I agree.
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Specs
It doesn't take much to look at the default off the shelf Dell box's specs and compare them to that of any phone. The Intel Core i7 or AMD FX-8150 processors would smoke any ARM on the market for mobiles. Memory in the desktop is 4GB Dual Channel DDR3 SDRAM at 1600MHz. Again crushing the Droid Charge and every other phone. 1TB 7200RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive, nuff said man won't be there for mobile for a while now. The power consumption would drain your mobiles battery in the time it takes to boot up. Let us also not forget that GHz and GB and TB don't all perform the same across the board. For instance a 1TB parallel ATA drive, 1TB SATA, and 1TB SSD differ vastly in performance. The NVIDIA Tegra 3 Quad core, 1.2 GHz, ARM Cortex-A9 processor in the Nexus 7 just doesn't hold a candle to the Intel Core i7-640UM Dual Core 1.2 GHz. It's about more than cores and clock speeds.
MikeAGriffey said:
It doesn't take much to look at the default off the shelf Dell box's specs and compare them to that of any phone. The Intel Core i7 or AMD FX-8150 processors would smoke any ARM on the market for mobiles. Memory in the desktop is 4GB Dual Channel DDR3 SDRAM at 1600MHz. Again crushing the Droid Charge and every other phone. 1TB 7200RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive, nuff said man won't be there for mobile for a while now. The power consumption would drain your mobiles battery in the time it takes to boot up. Let us also not forget that GHz and GB and TB don't all perform the same across the board. For instance a 1TB parallel ATA drive, 1TB SATA, and 1TB SSD differ vastly in performance. The NVIDIA Tegra 3 Quad core, 1.2 GHz, ARM Cortex-A9 processor in the Nexus 7 just doesn't hold a candle to the Intel Core i7-640UM Dual Core 1.2 GHz. It's about more than cores and clock speeds.
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I could take the time to pick apart your post and make fun of you, but there isn't any point.
Kind of like your post.
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Time to just give up on JB or ICS for charge. I just upgraded to galaxy nexus. I love it and highly recommend it. Cheers!
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http://www.ubuntu.com/devices/android
http://www.engadget.com/2013/01/02/ubuntu-for-smartphones/
So? what's it going to take?
zoltrix said:
http://www.ubuntu.com/devices/android
http://www.engadget.com/2013/01/02/ubuntu-for-smartphones/
So? what's it going to take?
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the new ubuntu OS looks sexy !!
Two Separate Things
To clarify, those are two separate things. One is an entirely new mobile phone OS, the other is a docked desktop OS that runs alongside Android, sharing the kernel and other resources. The Engadget article for the Ubuntu for Android is here: http://www.engadget.com/2012/02/24/ubuntu-for-android-hands-on/. I'm very excited about the possibility of Ubuntu for Android, but it looks like only OEMs can talk to them about it.
I like the way the OS looks, but I rather have buttons than have swipe gestures. Gestures are what my playbook and RIM excel at.
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they should make an Ubuntu development subforum once this bad boy gets ported
WOW
This is simply marvelous:good:, I love it!
I'd pay to have a working port of that!
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I read they are going to release test builds for the galaxy nexus periodicly... But if its Ubuntu... I'm sure its going to be completely open source and it said its built to use android kernel and drivers so I'm sure one day we will get a port. Not sure if our phone is capable of running the Ubuntu os and the desktop dock thing. It said to use desktop dock you have to have a quadcore
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I read they are going to release test builds for the galaxy nexus periodicly... But if its Ubuntu... I'm sure its going to be completely open source and it said its built to use android kernel and drivers so I'm sure one day we will get a port. Not sure if our phone is capable of running the Ubuntu os and the desktop dock thing. It said to use desktop dock you have to have a quadcore
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Reading further you yes they intend to have it completely open source and they also plan to make it easily portable to devices that run android
I'm definitely going to want to see it
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Ubuntu on an XL with a bluetooth kb and mouse and something like a Toshiba Dynadock would rock. We'd have a vga out, multiple powered usb ports, headphone jack and a wired network connection in addition to 3G/4G and wifi.
Given that the One XL outperforms a lot of the quadcore phones on the market, it should be powerful enough to run this.
I'm running desktop Ubuntu on an old G5 imac (1 * 1.8GHz ppc processor). That is fast enough for my uses. It should scream on the dual 1.5GHz S4's.
I do recall putting together a linux from scratch OS while I was at uni ... Hrmm. I was actually due for a new computer. Maybe I'll turn my phone into my desktop.
Just finished watching the youtube intro for this. So excited. This is what I've been waiting for, for a very long time.
I installed Ubuntu natively on my Xoom a while back, it ran a bit slow but was useable. The main problem was the touchscreen driver. The HOXL is quite a bit faster than the Xoom, so it should work nicely. I'd like to get my hands on that smartphone version of Ubuntu.
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Ubuntu on an XL with a bluetooth kb and mouse and something like a Toshiba Dynadock would rock. We'd have a vga out, multiple powered usb ports, headphone jack and a wired network connection in addition to 3G/4G and wifi.
Given that the One XL outperforms a lot of the quadcore phones on the market, it should be powerful enough to run this.
I'm running desktop Ubuntu on an old G5 imac (1 * 1.8GHz ppc processor). That is fast enough for my uses. It should scream on the dual 1.5GHz S4's.
I do recall putting together a linux from scratch OS while I was at uni ... Hrmm. I was actually due for a new computer. Maybe I'll turn my phone into my desktop.
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I think you sound a little overly optimistic in my opinion. I don't think it'll run nearly as smooth as you think, but hell, compared to a PPC970 it may actually be faster. Your biggest issue is going to be the lack of memory. 1 GB is going to start looking mighty low when it comes to running desktop apps on it.
In their specs, they name a quad core A9 as required to run the desktop mode, but in my opinion I wouldn't really bother getting too excited until you're running at least an A15. An Exynos 5 Quad with 2 GB of RAM would probably run quite nicely. Anything less and I think you'll be dealing with a somewhat slow system. Look at the Chromebooks with the Exynos 5. People are loading Ubuntu on those and saying they run great. That's where I'd put the baseline for a desktop, but again, memory would be your biggest limitation at that point. I suppose it also depends on what they can strip out of the desktop version of Ubuntu that comes bundled. If it can be very lightweight, it would help greatly in the memory use department.
Speaking of stripping things out, the One X isn't likely going to be an ideal device for this due to it's lack of storage space also. You'd run out of space REALLY fast if you tried to install a few desktop apps.
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I think you sound a little overly optimistic in my opinion. I don't think it'll run nearly as smooth as you think, but hell, compared to a PPC970 it may actually be faster. Your biggest issue is going to be the lack of memory. 1 GB is going to start looking mighty low when it comes to running desktop apps on it.
In their specs, they name a quad core A9 as required to run the desktop mode, but in my opinion I wouldn't really bother getting too excited until you're running at least an A15. An Exynos 5 Quad with 2 GB of RAM would probably run quite nicely. Anything less and I think you'll be dealing with a somewhat slow system. Look at the Chromebooks with the Exynos 5. People are loading Ubuntu on those and saying they run great. That's where I'd put the baseline for a desktop, but again, memory would be your biggest limitation at that point. I suppose it also depends on what they can strip out of the desktop version of Ubuntu that comes bundled. If it can be very lightweight, it would help greatly in the memory use department.
Speaking of stripping things out, the One X isn't likely going to be an ideal device for this due to it's lack of storage space also. You'd run out of space REALLY fast if you tried to install a few desktop apps.
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yeah, I'm optimistic. It won't be a highly spec'd desktop by any means, but I'm not really a gamer (the only games I'd play on it would be chess and freeciv. You are correct - 1 GB of RAM is not a lot, and it'd struggle with any heavyweight desktop app, but I've got the Tesltra HTC one XL (which is 32 GB not 16 like the AT&T version), so it should be slightly more usable (at least while I'm waiting for manufacturers to start releasing linux phones).
For storage I'd mostly be using my home NAS, and the cloud options available.
I get that it will be quite limited, but I'd still like to see what it can do
Hi,
my friend and I are comparing which Phone is better.. The iOS Phones or the Android Phones.
In my opinion an iPhone is not a real Smartphone because you can't really do nothing with it..
There is just a damn Appdrawer without a damn Home screen.
Just Apps and some other notification stuff.
An Android Phone has almost everything that you need. You can even Update a Ps3 system with just an Android Phone.
You can build your own system and run your Rom with your taste.
But why the hell has the iPhone 5 still compared to HTC One X or Sony Xperia Z a better Benchmark result?
I mean the iPhone got a Dual core with just 1 Ghz per Core. But it beat a Quad-Core Phone.
For example I got a Sony Xperia S and how you know it has a 1,5Ghz Dual-Core hardware. And STILL the iPhone runs Asphalt 7 or Shadowgun: Deadzone better than the Xperia S
How that can be possible??
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Hi,
my friend and I are comparing which Phone is better.. The iOS Phones or the Android Phones.
In my opinion an iPhone is not a real Smartphone because you can't really do nothing with it..
There is just a damn Appdrawer without a damn Home screen.
Just Apps and some other notification stuff.
An Android Phone has almost everything that you need. You can even Update a Ps3 system with just an Android Phone.
You can build your own system and run your Rom with your taste.
But why the hell has the iPhone 5 still compared to HTC One X or Sony Xperia Z a better Benchmark result?
I mean the iPhone got a Dual core with just 1 Ghz per Core. But it beat a Quad-Core Phone.
For example I got a Sony Xperia S and how you know it has a 1,5Ghz Dual-Core hardware. And STILL the iPhone runs Asphalt 7 or Shadowgun: Deadzone better than the Xperia S
How that can be possible??
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To answer the question in title.
Iphones would seem faster because its software is only written for one device.. the Iphone.
When you build the hardware and the software you able to really optimise it for that device.
This would be possible with Android but for a device manufacture would take far to much work at the lower levels of android itself, and they simply do not have the time or resources to do that (After all we do want updates within 6 months of google pushing them).
If you however get a Nexus device built for stock Android you will see what android can do
zacthespack said:
To answer the question in title.
Iphones would seem faster because its software is only written for one device.. the Iphone.
When you build the hardware and the software you able to really optimise it for that device.
This would be possible with Android but for a device manufacture would take far to much work at the lower levels of android itself, and they simply do not have the time or resources to do that (After all we do want updates within 6 months of google pushing them).
If you however get a Nexus device built for stock Android you will see what android can do
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Yes and Java android implementation has a really time spent garbage collector, IOS programs are written over Objective C with just in time memory management.
No garbage collector = faster app
The on-the-surface reasons are a fast and capable CPU and GPU, but mainly the fact that apps have a very limited ability to run in the background. There are more technical reasons, as mentioned above, but that's the gist of it.
iOS's efficiency and performance comes from its heavy software limitations.
Okay, so mainly it has to do with optimizing the hardware with the software right?
xShottaZx said:
Okay, so mainly it has to do with optimizing the hardware with the software right?
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Yes, and like I said, heavily disallowing apps from running in the background.
I bet thats also the reason why macs are seen as such intuitive machines compared to pcs. Windows is made for any pc while mac os is strictly built for mac. :good:
Omega Supreme said:
I bet thats also the reason why macs are seen as such intuitive machines compared to pcs. Windows is made for any pc while mac os is strictly built for mac. :good:
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Macs use the same parts as PC's. It's just that they say, "Alright, these are the parts we're going to use this year. We only need drivers and software compatible with these parts. Anything extra is up to the manufacturers." It's the same thing with Windows, but like you said, just a wider array of devices and parts.
Intuitiveness has nothing to do with hardware and interfacing software; it has everything to do with aesthetics and software design.
Okay thanks for your answers guys
for me, Iphone is only good for old people, who doesnt really care about their gadget, they only use it for show off, without knowing the "true" potential of their phone.
with android, we could squeeze the juice from the phone out untill its screaming, lol, and our device will worth every dime and penny we spent, like many of people only know that they have Intel i7 processor without knowing that their i7 processor can beat up so easily with Overclocked core 2 Quad processors.
just my 2 cents though
There's more to it than benchmarking though. I actually carry and use both devices. My DNA is a good bit faster than my iPhone with some processes. Other things the iPhone is faster with. But as stated above, the apple hardware and software is highly optimized, which is why iPhone users don't see force closes or random reboots except for the occasional rare extreme problem.
They both have their pros and cons, there's a lot of young people also that the iPhone fits better than android.
There's a lot of people in this world that think differently than me. I did not see the dialer or keyboard on my DNA until after it was unlocked and rooted and had a custom rom and kernel overclocked. I didn't realize until later that I didn't even open much on the interface until after I had installed the software I wanted. Lots of people wouldn't want to take an off contract 700 dollar device and blindly void the warranty, but that's all I bought mine for is the hardware and ability to build my rom and interface to fit my needs.
Sent from my DNA... S-Off like a baws
apple not only manufactures its own software, but also hardware, hence it has better control to customize their hardware according to the software or vice versa.
ob7125 said:
apple not only manufactures its own software, but also hardware, hence it has better control to customize their hardware according to the software or vice versa.
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Apple doesn't manufacture anything. Most of their components come from Samsung and other manufacturers like Qualcomm. They work ONLY on the software.
i think you are wrong.
zacthespack said:
To answer the question in title.
Iphones would seem faster because its software is only written for one device.. the Iphone.
When you build the hardware and the software you able to really optimise it for that device.
This would be possible with Android but for a device manufacture would take far to much work at the lower levels of android itself, and they simply do not have the time or resources to do that (After all we do want updates within 6 months of google pushing them).
If you however get a Nexus device built for stock Android you will see what android can do
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i saw the nexus 5 benchmark fight with the iphone 5s, NEXUS 5 can't reach near iphone 5s , actually i don't understand how is this possible and i don't believe that optimization makes iphone to this much faster, when we are looking forward the case of samsung galaxy note 3 and iphone 5s just an optimization can't beat the 8 core and 3Gb ram with 1.3gh 2 core with 1gb ram, may be the precision is the key