I got my hopes up for nothing as the Charge did not make the list
http://www.engadget.com/2012/09/24/samsung-rolling-jelly-bean-toward-most-of-its-smartphone-tablet/
It has already been said that jb and touchwiz would never fit on our system partition.
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I think the bigger issue here besides getting 4.1 is... the mobile market needs to follow the model of the PC for the enduser.
I would be willing to pay some money to upgrade to the next major OS updates for my devices. Whether its my tablets or my phone. I wouldn't mind if I could only get vanilla android either.
It would put the power in the consumers hands. For example, I bought a laptop with windows vista and later upgraded it to windows 7 since my laptop could run it well. I hope someday android is able to do this as well. And sooner rather than later.
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bubarub said:
I think the bigger issue here besides getting 4.1 is... the mobile market needs to follow the model of the PC for the enduser.
I would be willing to pay some money to upgrade to the next major OS updates for my devices. Whether its my tablets or my phone. I wouldn't mind if I could only get vanilla android either.
It would put the power in the consumers hands. For example, I bought a laptop with windows vista and later upgraded it to windows 7 since my laptop could run it well. I hope someday android is able to do this as well. And sooner rather than later.
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The problem is that upgrading a phone will never be as straightforward as upgrading a PC. There's no one "Android Operating System" that exists as a general purpose OS. AOSP is the base, but even Google does more work to it before it goes on a Nexus device. Every phone has different hardware, which requires different drivers, and often, different close-source software and libraries, which means that every version of Android is a different embedded OS that is based on core Android. Making it generalized enough to run across the board on all hardware on the market would bloat it. It would make it memory, CPU, and power inefficient. We like to think of our phones as powerful miniature computers, but in reality, they don't even match the processor and memory capabilities of the average netbook. It's only through careful optimizations that it is able to run the way it runs, and you can't just slap a generic version of Android on a device and expect the same results.
Its not impossible...
And isn't every computer different from one another just like a phone or tablets?!
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bubarub said:
Its not impossible...
And isn't every computer different from one another just like a phone or tablets?!
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As Shrike said - the phones are too small and don't have the capacity that computers do for memory, disk and processor. Even if they did, the power draw would be excessive. Everything is extremely customized to fit within the phone's tiny footprint.
BTW - every computer has it's own limits with respect to memory and cpu capacity. Yes, you can upgrade, but there is a point of diminishing returns. What's the point of installing the fastest processor if the bus can't handle it? It goes on and on.
Lastly, it will never be in their best interests (profits, new sales) to adopt the computer model. They don't like that you keep a computer for years. They want churn. They want planned obsolescence.
bubarub said:
Its not impossible...
And isn't every computer different from one another just like a phone or tablets?!
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Impossible? No. Highly impractical? Yes
A computer has enough memory, storage, and processor power that the larger footprint of the "everything and the kitchen sink" model doesn't bog it down the way it would a phone. Just look at storage space alone...when you don't know exactly what hardware you're going to encounter, you have to account for all possibilities. Just the extra storage is going to add tangibly to the cost. Then you have the extra power drain required for the more efficient processors that will be needed to run the more generic OS correctly, and the extra RAM needed to load all of it's parts. A smartphone is a modern example of the classic embedded system. When you have limited resources to work with, your OS has to be more focused, customized, and efficient to work in an acceptable way.
So, yes, it's possible in the broadest sense, but do you want to pay $1500+ for the device that can be upgraded at will and be out of date within 2 years? Or would you rather pay $100-$500 every two years for the latest hardware and OS, at the expense of a more limited upgrade path? Personally, I know where I'll put my money.
Haha good point on that last paragraph! I agree.
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It doesn't take much to look at the default off the shelf Dell box's specs and compare them to that of any phone. The Intel Core i7 or AMD FX-8150 processors would smoke any ARM on the market for mobiles. Memory in the desktop is 4GB Dual Channel DDR3 SDRAM at 1600MHz. Again crushing the Droid Charge and every other phone. 1TB 7200RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive, nuff said man won't be there for mobile for a while now. The power consumption would drain your mobiles battery in the time it takes to boot up. Let us also not forget that GHz and GB and TB don't all perform the same across the board. For instance a 1TB parallel ATA drive, 1TB SATA, and 1TB SSD differ vastly in performance. The NVIDIA Tegra 3 Quad core, 1.2 GHz, ARM Cortex-A9 processor in the Nexus 7 just doesn't hold a candle to the Intel Core i7-640UM Dual Core 1.2 GHz. It's about more than cores and clock speeds.
MikeAGriffey said:
It doesn't take much to look at the default off the shelf Dell box's specs and compare them to that of any phone. The Intel Core i7 or AMD FX-8150 processors would smoke any ARM on the market for mobiles. Memory in the desktop is 4GB Dual Channel DDR3 SDRAM at 1600MHz. Again crushing the Droid Charge and every other phone. 1TB 7200RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive, nuff said man won't be there for mobile for a while now. The power consumption would drain your mobiles battery in the time it takes to boot up. Let us also not forget that GHz and GB and TB don't all perform the same across the board. For instance a 1TB parallel ATA drive, 1TB SATA, and 1TB SSD differ vastly in performance. The NVIDIA Tegra 3 Quad core, 1.2 GHz, ARM Cortex-A9 processor in the Nexus 7 just doesn't hold a candle to the Intel Core i7-640UM Dual Core 1.2 GHz. It's about more than cores and clock speeds.
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I could take the time to pick apart your post and make fun of you, but there isn't any point.
Kind of like your post.
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Time to just give up on JB or ICS for charge. I just upgraded to galaxy nexus. I love it and highly recommend it. Cheers!
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This thread is actually aimed toward developers and advanced users, but anyone is welcomed to respond. I am curious about which OS is preferred by those that help us all. Overall, windows is more prevalent. But I suspect that a lot of people here use other things.
I will start off. Up until a few weeks ago, I used windows solely. Then I developed an interest in Linux. I just updated my dual booted Win XP/Ubuntu machine today. But, up until a month ago I used a Win7 machine. I still have a lot, and I mean a lot, of learning to do with Linux.
Now, who's next?
Ubuntu, might change with Windows 8 we will see.
I am not amused with your phones performance
Linux
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I will try Ubuntu whenever I get a new computer or finish school. I need to have Office for my school and from what I have read it just isn't very good, or its tough to get to work properly. More trouble than what I can troubleshoot right now. So for me its Vista...bleh.
flashman2002 said:
I will try Ubuntu whenever I get a new computer or finish school. I need to have Office for my school and from what I have read it just isn't very good, or its tough to get to work properly. More trouble than what I can troubleshoot right now. So for me its Vista...bleh.
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You could always dual boot Ubuntu using the WUBI installer.
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You could always dual boot Ubuntu using the WUBI installer.
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That is beyond my scope at the moment.
Glitch kernel let me OC to 1.4!
windows 7 ultimate 64bit on my main desktop which is my gaming rig.... its like a nuclear reactor..
all my laptops run ubuntu 64bit. one of them is 11.10, my big dev laptop is 10.10, google chromebook (obviously runs chrome OS). i have another laptop that i try out different distros on. my 12" laptop runs backtrack5 used them all, but ubuntu works the best with the least amount of dickin around. when i want to have fun i run arch, when i want to pull my hair out i run fedora... lol
my servers are a mix of arch, fedora, debian...
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windows 7 ultimate 64bit on my main desktop which is my gaming rig.... its like a nuclear reactor..
all my laptops run ubuntu 64bit. one of them is 11.10, my big dev laptop is 10.10, google chromebook (obviously runs chrome OS). i have another laptop that i try out different distros on. my 12" laptop runs backtrack5 used them all, but ubuntu works the best with the least amount of dickin around. when i want to have fun i run arch, when i want to pull my hair out i run fedora... lol
my servers are a mix of arch, fedora, debian...
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Do you have a computer for each phone?
At the moment I am dual booting Windows 7 Ultimate and Windows 8 Dev Preview but when I get the chance I plan on installing PCLinuxOS when the dev preview is locked out.
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Well Windows is the chosen primary (cuz my family uses the computer too) and dual booted with Ubuntu (my primary)!
When i buy a new desktop (HP 6 core 3.4 GHz each core) i built it to be top of the line so i could do anything i need! Ubuntu will be the Primary OS on that!
If you know where i can get a good desktop or laptop, let me know, ok?
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Do you have a computer for each phone?
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LOL....kind of. i got rid of some devices. just down to galaxy s2, captivate, aria, atrix, touchpad, ipad1 -64gb3g, iphone4, oh and i still have a mytouch4g or 2
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Well Windows is the chosen primary (cuz my family uses the computer too) and dual booted with Ubuntu (my primary)!
When i buy a new desktop (HP 6 core 3.4 GHz each core) i built it to be top of the line so i could do anything i need! Ubuntu will be the Primary OS on that!
If you know where i can get a good desktop or laptop, let me know, ok?
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Well you would save a lot of money if you built your own computer. Your options are a lot less limited, and you get to have fun doing it. I don't know how much you plan to spend on the HP but I built my computer for about $1100 and I have a six core processor overclocked at 4ghz with a 2gb radeon HD 6950 graphics card, 8 gigs of corsair vengeance ddr3 1600mhz, a ssd and a 1tb 7200rpm western digital caviar black hdd. Lots of fun stuff when you build your own PC.
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Well you would save a lot of money if you built your own computer. Your options are a lot less limited, and you get to have fun doing it. I don't know how much you plan to spend on the HP but I built my computer for about $1100 and I have a six core processor overclocked at 4ghz with a 2gb radeon HD 6950 graphics card, 8 gigs of corsair vengeance ddr3 1600mhz, a ssd and a 1tb 7200rpm western digital caviar black hdd. Lots of fun stuff when you build your own PC.
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Where did you get your components? Store bought or Online.
I chose everything online by specific parts,
Six core non OC at 3.4 GHz
16 GB RAM
3GB Video processor
2 TB 7200 rpm hard drive
costing me about $1800
edit will get specifics in a bit!
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b-eock said:
I chose everything online by specific parts,
Six core non OC at 3.4 GHz
16 GB RAM
3GB Video processor
2 TB 7200 rpm hard drive
costing me about $1800
edit will get specifics in a bit!
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thats too much.
3gb video processor?? wtf is that? sounds like nvidia quadro which wont run games the same way a desktop card will.
somebody needs a lesson in PC building 101
I have a netbook with XP ...LOL...
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Where did you get your components? Store bought or Online.
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It was a combination and just a little waiting for the right deals.
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b-eock said:
I chose everything online by specific parts,
Six core non OC at 3.4 GHz
16 GB RAM
3GB Video processor
2 TB 7200 rpm hard drive
costing me about $1800
edit will get specifics in a bit!
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I don't know what you plan on doing with this PC but I'm positive you won't need 16gb of RAM ditch the 3gb video card and get something like a 6970 or a top notch nvidia card. Post the parts in detail you chose and what you will be using the PC for
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I dumped windows a few months ago for Ubuntu. My 6 year old desktop runs Ubuntu 11.10 and my two year old Laptop runs the same thing. I just wish I people would focus on Heimdall than Odin.
I'll use anything but Linux.
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Hi,
Was just wondering what people thought about the Prime's RAM. I know nothing has been officially stated but there are strong rumours that it will have 1GB!
I hope it comes with at least 2GB as it will inevitably become possible to port windows 8 onto it. As we all know, 1GB doesn't cut it these days for an OS.
It also just seems right. Devices have had 1GB for 2 years now! If they don't put it in these devices, software will never use it.
Thoughts?
what do you mean 1GB RAM doesn't cut it for an OS?? Android is an OS, and its perfectly happy with 1GB of RAM...
1 gb is more than enough for the asus eee pc transformer
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I just don't think it pushes boundaries.
My GS2 has 1GB and that's a phone. I regularly use up to 800mb on that and that it without HD streaming (something I intend to do on my tablet).
On such a premium device it feels like a compromise. Another 1GB would cost nothing in today's world.
Port windows 8? I thought it will have an ARM version, but 2GB is better than 1.
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Windows 8 will run on the Tegra 3. This has been confirmed along time back
windows 8 is not open source. there will never be a port of it for the transformer...that is unless of course asus/ms had a secret agreement to release either a windows 8 version of TF2, or a retail version of Windows 8 that is non-warranty-voiding, and user-installable.
either way, if there was such an agreement, asus would design the TF with W8 requirements in mind...and give it the neccessary hardware.
but this is very improbable. windows 8 may be portable to the TF2...but even if that were true...licensing will always prevent it from being something you can just do.
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Microsoft showcased windows 8 running on a 1ghz tegra 2 processor with 1 gig of ram and it ran fine
Saying it is possible but boot loader would have to be rewritten and you would need a legitimate cerial key but it is technically possible
Without a doubt it is possible.
Surely installing windows 8 on it with a valid serial is fine. It is designed to run on Tegra 3. I image once the ARM version is released and the Prime has been out a while this topic will heat up.
Hopefully 1GB (rumoured) won't cause a problem.
This thread is so stupid IMHO.
My first computer had RAM measured in K, I never ran out. I've just replaced a Windows XP PC that had 2GB with one that has 8GB and Windows 7. I was just starting to be able to fill more than 1GB of memory when pushing it to the limits. I'ved used mobile devices with 256MB to 1GB and never overloaded them, I tend to abuse systems when it comes to processes and multitasking. I have gone as far as *compiling* code for days at a time under FreeBSD and never had problems with even 1GB, even if using it as a fully functional system at the same time. Even seeing swap space getting used was a very rare thing.
If you seriously *need* more than 1GB of memory in your transformer, I must ask if you are using it to transcode a Petabyte of high definition porn.
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IMHO, I fully agree with the OP.
While you may not need more than one GB of ram, I sure would like to have it.
Plus as was stated earlier, phones come with 1GB of ram. Currently tablets are no more powerful than phones. I'd like my tablet to be a bit more powerful than a phone. Maybe then we'll start seeing some better software designed specifically with tablets in mind.
Which is pointless because there are so many more iPads than Android tablets, that for the near term, the current gen of iPad will set the hardware gap that software would be designed around. The best near-future hope for Tablet oriented apps that way in my honest opinion, is iPad+Android apps because of the ROI we're the leaches not the wolves. By the time something like what you want occurs, you will be able to get a free Android phone on contract with more power than the TF101. Maybe we might also have 4GB tablets as well.
My TF is considerably more powerful than my handset but I live in the real world. Culture will not make that big a revolution unless Android tablets have enough market share and consumers throw enough $$$ their way. With how many people I've met that will shell out $500++ for a phone and than take a piss if they need to buy an app for $3 that will last for another five handsets--I don't see that happening either, personally. I like the idea of a tablet more powerful than a phone but I realize phones sell a lot more units right now and will keep doing so versus Android tablets for a good while more. Wishes don't change worlds unless you hack the reality.
The Prime's principal evolution is a next gen SoC and refinements to the TF101. It's like an update to DooM II from DooM, not a Ferrari from your Mustang. And it was never billed as such.
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I have googled the hell out of this, and there just isnt much out there. How much Ram is best for building ROM's? I understand that there is no such thing as too much RAM, but how much is really beneficial? I am currently building from source, and doing some cherry picks with a gateway laptop. 2.1 GHZ dual core AMD vision processor, 4GB Ram DDR3 PC-8500. I am thinking about upgrading to 8GB DDR PC10200. I am wondering if this will speed anything up or not. Or is it just unnecessary spending? The memory is only like $45 shipped so its not overly pricey, but the only thing increasing memory will help me with (or will it?) is compiling and buiding, and syncing. My internet is only ATT DSL and my max download is like 5mb. It is typically my hinderence. Please advise!
And no I cannot upgrade my internet, my complex wont let us have cable from anyone but them and they only offer 1.5mb from bloom, and they want $45 per month. I am paying $20 per month for ATT DSL @ 6mb (which i never get obviously). There are no other DSL providers and like I said the complex wont let any other company bring in cable connections.
It really depends on what OS you're running. A lot of OEMs put x32 Windows on their systems, even though they're all capable of x64 now. If you have a 32-bit system and are running Windows, your OS will limit you to ~3GB of available memory, regardless of how much you have physically installed.
If you're running Linux (which is recommended, I believe, for development), then more memory is always a good thing. The more memory and the faster processor means faster compiling speeds. Faster compiling speed means you can test your ROM/app faster.
Syncing will depend solely on your download speeds, so RAM will not really have any effect on that at all.
liquidzoo said:
It really depends on what OS you're running. A lot of OEMs put x32 Windows on their systems, even though they're all capable of x64 now. If you have a 32-bit system and are running Windows, your OS will limit you to ~3GB of available memory, regardless of how much you have physically installed.
If you're running Linux (which is recommended, I believe, for development), then more memory is always a good thing. The more memory and the faster processor means faster compiling speeds. Faster compiling speed means you can test your ROM/app faster.
Syncing will depend solely on your download speeds, so RAM will not really have any effect on that at all.
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You can't build source in windows and he has stated he is building from source so he's on linux.
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You can't build source in windows and he has stated he is building from source so he's on linux.
Ram isn't dudes problem your processor could use an upgrade though with a decent dual core building at standard -j4 will take roughly 2 hours on cm
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You can't build source in windows and he has stated he is building from source so he's on linux.
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That wasn't mentioned in the OP, but my comments about 32-bit vs 64-bit still hold. There are ways to virtualize, and that would run differently than a full install.
Ram isn't dudes problem your processor could use an upgrade though with a decent dual core building at standard -j4 will take roughly 2 hours on cm
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The AMD Vision series are dual, quad, and octo core processors. I'm guessing that his is at least a dual core already. Not saying an upgrade wouldn't help, but it's harder to upgrade a laptop processor than a desktop one.
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That wasn't mentioned in the OP, but my comments about 32-bit vs 64-bit still hold. There are ways to virtualize, and that would run differently than a full install.
The AMD Vision series are dual, quad, and octo core processors. I'm guessing that his is at least a dual core already. Not saying an upgrade wouldn't help, but it's harder to upgrade a laptop processor than a desktop one.
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It's a dual core, wish it was quad lol. I am running Linux mint, 64 bit so that won't limit me thankfully. Good info guys!
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I just read that you can't compile 2.3.x+ without a 64-bit OS, so my comments about the OS are rendered mostly useless. Other comments still hold, though.
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I just read that you can't compile 2.3.x+ without a 64-bit OS, so my comments about the OS are rendered mostly useless. Other comments still hold, though.
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At one point in time I was compiling cm9 on my 32bit system. Took about an two and a half hours though. Dual core with 3gig ram
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ICS I could compile on 32 bit jb I need 64 bit
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I think I'm gonna just grab an 8gb kit from crucial and see what happens
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That's dumb no point get a better processor before that much ram it will not help you at all with compiling without something to use that data
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That's dumb no point get a better processor before that much ram it will not help you at all with compiling without something to use that data
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I can't find a processor that's compatible, plus so far building cm10 hasn't even used 75% of my processor. If you can find a way to replace a laptop processor let me know. I hear it's a pain.
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I can do it on my dell inspiron bro and why get 8 gigs of ram your not doing anything that needs it if your also not pushing the processor
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I can do it on my dell inspiron bro and why get 8 gigs of ram your not doing anything that needs it if your also not pushing the processor
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I'll look into finding a drop in quad core, it will take time to research tho.
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Rom Building Setup
Decepticaons said:
I have googled the hell out of this, and there just isnt much out there. How much Ram is best for building ROM's? I understand that there is no such thing as too much RAM, but how much is really beneficial? I am currently building from source, and doing some cherry picks with a gateway laptop. 2.1 GHZ dual core AMD vision processor, 4GB Ram DDR3 PC-8500. I am thinking about upgrading to 8GB DDR PC10200. I am wondering if this will speed anything up or not. Or is it just unnecessary spending? The memory is only like $45 shipped so its not overly pricey, but the only thing increasing memory will help me with (or will it?) is compiling and buiding, and syncing. My internet is only ATT DSL and my max download is like 5mb. It is typically my hinderence. Please advise!
And no I cannot upgrade my internet, my complex wont let us have cable from anyone but them and they only offer 1.5mb from bloom, and they want $45 per month. I am paying $20 per month for ATT DSL @ 6mb (which i never get obviously). There are no other DSL providers and like I said the complex wont let any other company bring in cable connections.
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I'm currently using an old Vista computer with an AMD Athlon Dual core 4600+, GeForce 210 PCIe, & 2GB of DDR2. Nothing fancy nor overclocked. I have Linux Mint 13 "Maya" - Cinnamon (64-bit) installed and it all works quite nicely. Your biggest downfall is going to be your DSL (I have the same) because it takes a few hours to download the repository files. As far as compiling & debugging goes, it's all good.
The Mint linux is simply a Ubuntu based OS with far less GUI issues on my older comp, I've had both but Mint seems to run smoother:
http://www.linuxmint.com/edition.php?id=106
There's lotsa good info here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1801690
I'm still very new to the actual building myself but I've had a blast learning! My phone is actually running on a system I compiled all by myself! I couldn't have done it without all the help from my new friends here on XDA...
Search the forum for more info, it's ALL there, you simple need to look for it! Hope I helped...
Have fun with it!
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scootertrashtx said:
I'm currently using an old Vista computer with an AMD Athlon Dual core 4600+, GeForce 210 PCIe, & 2GB of DDR2. Nothing fancy nor overclocked. I have Linux Mint 13 "Maya" - Cinnamon (64-bit) installed and it all works quite nicely. Your biggest downfall is going to be your DSL (I have the same) because it takes a few hours to download the repository files. As far as compiling & debugging goes, it's all good.
The Mint linux is simply a Ubuntu based OS with far less GUI issues on my older comp, I've had both but Mint seems to run smoother:
http://www.linuxmint.com/edition.php?id=106
There's lotsa good info here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1801690
I'm still very new to the actual building myself but I've had a blast learning! My phone is actually running on a system I compiled all by myself! I couldn't have done it without all the help from my new friends here on XDA...
Search the forum for more info, it's ALL there, you simple need to look for it! Hope I helped...
Have fun with it!
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I should have mentioned my compile time, It took about 5 1/2 hours on JB... you can throttle the output a bit with a command code that sk8ter listed... let me find it...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1766862
3rd code block in #1...
If you're using a laptop, set it on a hard, flat surface or better yet, get a cooler... it'll get a bit warm.
Read this too... good info:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=667298
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1812253
Hey everyone, I am new to this site and the whole Android Development thing altogether.
I have been researching and pondering an idea of mine for some time now and I have yet to find any answers. I have been looking at an old laptop of mine that I basically just use for movies/surfing as it is pretty outdated (Gateway MX-6959: 1.66GHz CPU, 2GB RAM, Intel Integrated Graphics) but it is fine for older games and emulators. I also have an HTC Amaze 4G Android Phone that has similar Specs (1.5GHx CPU, 1GB RAM, Adreno 220 Graphics).
This question I have is would it be possible to build a small custom case to house the needed hardware and a simple cooling system and use the hardware from any run-of-the-mill Android Smartphone I might be able to get my hands on (1GHz+ CPu, 512MB-1GB RAM, Adreno or similar GPU...which I will root/overclock) to build a Micro PC that runs Android 4.0 and can run emulators (GBA, PS1, etc) as well as Android HD Games like Modern Combat 3, N.O.V.A., etc.
Is it possible to do this? If not, what are the constraints to the project? What all would it entail?
Any information/advice would be greatly appreciated! Thank you.
See no reason why not. Infact there are already quite a few mini pcs on the market running android and thevlikes of raspberry pi are getting android ports
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zacthespack said:
See no reason why not. Infact there are already quite a few mini pcs on the market running android and thevlikes of raspberry pi are getting android ports
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Yes Android PC, or Ubuntu mobile...
I know things like Raspberry Pi and Via APC are around, but they have extremely limited capability from what I have read...not to mention a weak 600MHz processor. I want to essentially build a mini gaming Android PC. Something closer to a ~1.5GHz CPU with Adreno or equivalent graphics on board.
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jsekits said:
I know things like Raspberry Pi and Via APC are around, but they have extremely limited capability from what I have read...not to mention a weak 600MHz processor. I want to essentially build a mini gaming Android PC. Something closer to a ~1.5GHz CPU with Adreno or equivalent graphics on board.
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Doing a bit more research, I have found something called ODROID-X. IT it using a Samsung Exynos 4412 Cortex A9 Quad Core Processor (1.4GHz), 1GB RAM, and Mali-400 graphics. These seem very similar to my Amaze 4G...maybe even a bit better. Does anyone know if this unit can be overclocked? If so, how far can it be pushed and still be stable? As I stated, I want to design it in a custom case that I can rig a small scale cooling unit to in order to keep the OC'ed CPU stable.
I only really want to take on the project if it will be able to handle the higher-end Android games/emulators. Modern Combat 2-3, N.O.V.A. 1-2-3, PS1 emulator, etc.
Sorry for all of the questions by the way, I am still VERY NEW to the whole custom hardware/software scene and I just want to make sure I do everything the correct way.
I don't know if it would help but I think you might be able to run an x86 android build on your laptop.
haro138 said:
I don't know if it would help but I think you might be able to run an x86 android build on your laptop.
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I could, true...and still may at some point since I have 3 at my disposal. But, I just like the idea of making something new...and I want to learn more about the hardware as well.
a LiveCD for Android running on x86 platforms
You can also use the disc image in a virtualization application like VirtualBox, VMWare or Microsoft Virtual PC if you want to try the operating system without even rebooting your computer. :cyclops:
http://code.google.com/p/live-android/
haker307 said:
a LiveCD for Android running on x86 platforms
You can also use the disc image in a virtualization application like VirtualBox, VMWare or Microsoft Virtual PC if you want to try the operating system without even rebooting your computer. :cyclops:
I might look into that for other things, but that defeats the purpose of what I am trying to do. I want to BUILD a system. I'm leaning towards the ODROID-X Platform, but I need to figure out developing a custom case than I can mount a couple fans to since I plan to overclock as high as the Samsung Sxynos 1.4GHz Quad Core and MAli-400 graphics can be taken and remain stable. I also need to figure out what type of power supply I would need to use since the ODROID-X uses 5V / 2A, I don't know how I would need to set it up to plus into a wall outlet.
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Get a big enough tablet, attach a keyboard, and you have an Android PC.
But seriously, Android is based on a linux kernel, I think ubuntu would be like an android pc.
baddaman54 said:
But seriously, Android is based on a linux kernel, I think ubuntu would be like an android pc.
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Ubuntu is nothing like android. It's a full-fledged computer OS; compared to it, android is just a toy.
For that matter, I'm not sure why you'd prefer android for a computer, but whatever floats your boat.
you won´t be able to run N.o.v.a 3 or any of those games on a androidx86 image, because those games are compiled for arm not x86.
Just buy an Ouya.
When I say PC, I think I messed up, I simple meant a system in a box, plugged into the wall lol. The hardware is ARM, the OS on ODROID-X is 4.0ICS. It's a venture to play Android HD games/websurf with a controller or keyboard and mouse via Bluetooth on an HDTV.
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http://www.ubuntu.com/devices/android
http://www.engadget.com/2013/01/02/ubuntu-for-smartphones/
So? what's it going to take?
zoltrix said:
http://www.ubuntu.com/devices/android
http://www.engadget.com/2013/01/02/ubuntu-for-smartphones/
So? what's it going to take?
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the new ubuntu OS looks sexy !!
Two Separate Things
To clarify, those are two separate things. One is an entirely new mobile phone OS, the other is a docked desktop OS that runs alongside Android, sharing the kernel and other resources. The Engadget article for the Ubuntu for Android is here: http://www.engadget.com/2012/02/24/ubuntu-for-android-hands-on/. I'm very excited about the possibility of Ubuntu for Android, but it looks like only OEMs can talk to them about it.
I like the way the OS looks, but I rather have buttons than have swipe gestures. Gestures are what my playbook and RIM excel at.
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they should make an Ubuntu development subforum once this bad boy gets ported
WOW
This is simply marvelous:good:, I love it!
I'd pay to have a working port of that!
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I read they are going to release test builds for the galaxy nexus periodicly... But if its Ubuntu... I'm sure its going to be completely open source and it said its built to use android kernel and drivers so I'm sure one day we will get a port. Not sure if our phone is capable of running the Ubuntu os and the desktop dock thing. It said to use desktop dock you have to have a quadcore
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I read they are going to release test builds for the galaxy nexus periodicly... But if its Ubuntu... I'm sure its going to be completely open source and it said its built to use android kernel and drivers so I'm sure one day we will get a port. Not sure if our phone is capable of running the Ubuntu os and the desktop dock thing. It said to use desktop dock you have to have a quadcore
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Reading further you yes they intend to have it completely open source and they also plan to make it easily portable to devices that run android
I'm definitely going to want to see it
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Ubuntu on an XL with a bluetooth kb and mouse and something like a Toshiba Dynadock would rock. We'd have a vga out, multiple powered usb ports, headphone jack and a wired network connection in addition to 3G/4G and wifi.
Given that the One XL outperforms a lot of the quadcore phones on the market, it should be powerful enough to run this.
I'm running desktop Ubuntu on an old G5 imac (1 * 1.8GHz ppc processor). That is fast enough for my uses. It should scream on the dual 1.5GHz S4's.
I do recall putting together a linux from scratch OS while I was at uni ... Hrmm. I was actually due for a new computer. Maybe I'll turn my phone into my desktop.
Just finished watching the youtube intro for this. So excited. This is what I've been waiting for, for a very long time.
I installed Ubuntu natively on my Xoom a while back, it ran a bit slow but was useable. The main problem was the touchscreen driver. The HOXL is quite a bit faster than the Xoom, so it should work nicely. I'd like to get my hands on that smartphone version of Ubuntu.
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Ubuntu on an XL with a bluetooth kb and mouse and something like a Toshiba Dynadock would rock. We'd have a vga out, multiple powered usb ports, headphone jack and a wired network connection in addition to 3G/4G and wifi.
Given that the One XL outperforms a lot of the quadcore phones on the market, it should be powerful enough to run this.
I'm running desktop Ubuntu on an old G5 imac (1 * 1.8GHz ppc processor). That is fast enough for my uses. It should scream on the dual 1.5GHz S4's.
I do recall putting together a linux from scratch OS while I was at uni ... Hrmm. I was actually due for a new computer. Maybe I'll turn my phone into my desktop.
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I think you sound a little overly optimistic in my opinion. I don't think it'll run nearly as smooth as you think, but hell, compared to a PPC970 it may actually be faster. Your biggest issue is going to be the lack of memory. 1 GB is going to start looking mighty low when it comes to running desktop apps on it.
In their specs, they name a quad core A9 as required to run the desktop mode, but in my opinion I wouldn't really bother getting too excited until you're running at least an A15. An Exynos 5 Quad with 2 GB of RAM would probably run quite nicely. Anything less and I think you'll be dealing with a somewhat slow system. Look at the Chromebooks with the Exynos 5. People are loading Ubuntu on those and saying they run great. That's where I'd put the baseline for a desktop, but again, memory would be your biggest limitation at that point. I suppose it also depends on what they can strip out of the desktop version of Ubuntu that comes bundled. If it can be very lightweight, it would help greatly in the memory use department.
Speaking of stripping things out, the One X isn't likely going to be an ideal device for this due to it's lack of storage space also. You'd run out of space REALLY fast if you tried to install a few desktop apps.
AJerman said:
I think you sound a little overly optimistic in my opinion. I don't think it'll run nearly as smooth as you think, but hell, compared to a PPC970 it may actually be faster. Your biggest issue is going to be the lack of memory. 1 GB is going to start looking mighty low when it comes to running desktop apps on it.
In their specs, they name a quad core A9 as required to run the desktop mode, but in my opinion I wouldn't really bother getting too excited until you're running at least an A15. An Exynos 5 Quad with 2 GB of RAM would probably run quite nicely. Anything less and I think you'll be dealing with a somewhat slow system. Look at the Chromebooks with the Exynos 5. People are loading Ubuntu on those and saying they run great. That's where I'd put the baseline for a desktop, but again, memory would be your biggest limitation at that point. I suppose it also depends on what they can strip out of the desktop version of Ubuntu that comes bundled. If it can be very lightweight, it would help greatly in the memory use department.
Speaking of stripping things out, the One X isn't likely going to be an ideal device for this due to it's lack of storage space also. You'd run out of space REALLY fast if you tried to install a few desktop apps.
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yeah, I'm optimistic. It won't be a highly spec'd desktop by any means, but I'm not really a gamer (the only games I'd play on it would be chess and freeciv. You are correct - 1 GB of RAM is not a lot, and it'd struggle with any heavyweight desktop app, but I've got the Tesltra HTC one XL (which is 32 GB not 16 like the AT&T version), so it should be slightly more usable (at least while I'm waiting for manufacturers to start releasing linux phones).
For storage I'd mostly be using my home NAS, and the cloud options available.
I get that it will be quite limited, but I'd still like to see what it can do