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[Q] Transformer Prime RAM

Hi,
Was just wondering what people thought about the Prime's RAM. I know nothing has been officially stated but there are strong rumours that it will have 1GB!
I hope it comes with at least 2GB as it will inevitably become possible to port windows 8 onto it. As we all know, 1GB doesn't cut it these days for an OS.
It also just seems right. Devices have had 1GB for 2 years now! If they don't put it in these devices, software will never use it.
Thoughts?

what do you mean 1GB RAM doesn't cut it for an OS?? Android is an OS, and its perfectly happy with 1GB of RAM...

1 gb is more than enough for the asus eee pc transformer
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I just don't think it pushes boundaries.
My GS2 has 1GB and that's a phone. I regularly use up to 800mb on that and that it without HD streaming (something I intend to do on my tablet).
On such a premium device it feels like a compromise. Another 1GB would cost nothing in today's world.

Port windows 8? I thought it will have an ARM version, but 2GB is better than 1.
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Windows 8 will run on the Tegra 3. This has been confirmed along time back

windows 8 is not open source. there will never be a port of it for the transformer...that is unless of course asus/ms had a secret agreement to release either a windows 8 version of TF2, or a retail version of Windows 8 that is non-warranty-voiding, and user-installable.
either way, if there was such an agreement, asus would design the TF with W8 requirements in mind...and give it the neccessary hardware.
but this is very improbable. windows 8 may be portable to the TF2...but even if that were true...licensing will always prevent it from being something you can just do.
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Microsoft showcased windows 8 running on a 1ghz tegra 2 processor with 1 gig of ram and it ran fine
Saying it is possible but boot loader would have to be rewritten and you would need a legitimate cerial key but it is technically possible

Without a doubt it is possible.
Surely installing windows 8 on it with a valid serial is fine. It is designed to run on Tegra 3. I image once the ARM version is released and the Prime has been out a while this topic will heat up.
Hopefully 1GB (rumoured) won't cause a problem.

This thread is so stupid IMHO.
My first computer had RAM measured in K, I never ran out. I've just replaced a Windows XP PC that had 2GB with one that has 8GB and Windows 7. I was just starting to be able to fill more than 1GB of memory when pushing it to the limits. I'ved used mobile devices with 256MB to 1GB and never overloaded them, I tend to abuse systems when it comes to processes and multitasking. I have gone as far as *compiling* code for days at a time under FreeBSD and never had problems with even 1GB, even if using it as a fully functional system at the same time. Even seeing swap space getting used was a very rare thing.
If you seriously *need* more than 1GB of memory in your transformer, I must ask if you are using it to transcode a Petabyte of high definition porn.
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IMHO, I fully agree with the OP.
While you may not need more than one GB of ram, I sure would like to have it.
Plus as was stated earlier, phones come with 1GB of ram. Currently tablets are no more powerful than phones. I'd like my tablet to be a bit more powerful than a phone. Maybe then we'll start seeing some better software designed specifically with tablets in mind.

Which is pointless because there are so many more iPads than Android tablets, that for the near term, the current gen of iPad will set the hardware gap that software would be designed around. The best near-future hope for Tablet oriented apps that way in my honest opinion, is iPad+Android apps because of the ROI we're the leaches not the wolves. By the time something like what you want occurs, you will be able to get a free Android phone on contract with more power than the TF101. Maybe we might also have 4GB tablets as well.
My TF is considerably more powerful than my handset but I live in the real world. Culture will not make that big a revolution unless Android tablets have enough market share and consumers throw enough $$$ their way. With how many people I've met that will shell out $500++ for a phone and than take a piss if they need to buy an app for $3 that will last for another five handsets--I don't see that happening either, personally. I like the idea of a tablet more powerful than a phone but I realize phones sell a lot more units right now and will keep doing so versus Android tablets for a good while more. Wishes don't change worlds unless you hack the reality.
The Prime's principal evolution is a next gen SoC and refinements to the TF101. It's like an update to DooM II from DooM, not a Ferrari from your Mustang. And it was never billed as such.
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Benefits of dual boot?

I'm juggling with this idea for a little down the road but when I sit back and think about it, I have a hard time thinking of the benefits other than just for fun. What would be beneficial to you if you're considering dual boot for the tf700. This question is directed at android/ubuntu or android/win8 (if possible) users.
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The main benefit I see is the ability to run Linux applications that are designed for laptops/desktops. Things like full office suites, more robust browsers, photo editors etc. Would add a lot more functionality to the tablet, and also get you all the advantages that a windowed environment would provide for multitasking. You can do all that without dual boot through a chroot, but since you're sharing ram and cpu time with Android its a bit slow and tight.
Would also give you the option to try Win8 if we ever get a port, if it actually delivers on its promises (I highly doubt it) it could save some money initially over buying a tablet actually designed for the OS.

I actually don't see a point in dual booting. There are not much other applications you would be able to run on Linux or win 8 other than stock apps. This is an ARM device which is not compatible with x86/x64 apps.

monkey10120 said:
I actually don't see a point in dual booting. There are not much other applications you would be able to run on Linux or win 8 other than stock apps. This is an ARM device which is not compatible with x86/x64 apps.
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That really only applies to Win8. Since Linux and most of its software is open source, applications can generally be compiled to run on (or existing packages found for) any CPU type so long as its physically fast enough to handle it. The only catagroy I can see lacking on the Linux side would be heavily optimimized or 3D accelerated games, which there arent very many of in the first place.

Is it theoretically possible for me to install gentoo on my tablet?

Jotokun said:
That really only applies to Win8. Since Linux and most of its software is open source, applications can generally be compiled to run on (or existing packages found for) any CPU type so long as its physically fast enough to handle it. The only catagroy I can see lacking on the Linux side would be heavily optimimized or 3D accelerated games, which there arent very many of in the first place.
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I thought some Windows 8 devices were to work on Tegra 3 devices? That could mean that over time, Windows 8 could get ported, right?
Not that I care, I -myself- prefer a touch-based OS for a touch-based device.
However, I still believe the are huge possibilities to improve browsing performances on Android.

Actually, being able to dual boot is very nice if you're into flashing different roms (flashaholic). It lets you have a stable go to rom. Then you can have that experimental rom to try out that may not all things thing functional or so forth.
I use Boot Manager on my HTC Evo 4G, which lets you have multiple roms on your phone; it runs them off your SDHC card. I have a stable Sense rom on the phone. Then I have, usually two, other roms on the SDHC card, such as CM7 and CM9.

jdeoxys said:
Is it theoretically possible for me to install gentoo on my tablet?
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Theoretically, it would be possible. They got Ubuntu on the Prime, so I dont see why other variants of Linux couldn't be made to work.
adelancker said:
I thought some Windows 8 devices were to work on Tegra 3 devices? That could mean that over time, Windows 8 could get ported, right?
Not that I care, I -myself- prefer a touch-based OS for a touch-based device.
However, I still believe the are huge possibilities to improve browsing performances on Android.
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Not quite... Win8 is only for x86 CPUs. WinRT will be made to run on Tegra 3 and has a chance of getting ported, but it wont run any Win8 desktop software, and is completely locked down iOS style so if you wanted to add any additional software without going through an app store (or period for the Desktop) you'll have to root/jailbreak.

lovekeiiy said:
Actually, being able to dual boot is very nice if you're into flashing different roms (flashaholic). It lets you have a stable go to rom. Then you can have that experimental rom to try out that may not all things thing functional or so forth.
I use Boot Manager on my HTC Evo 4G, which lets you have multiple roms on your phone; it runs them off your SDHC card. I have a stable Sense rom on the phone. Then I have, usually two, other roms on the SDHC card, such as CM7 and CM9.
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This right here is the only reason I would ever dual boot. I love having a unstable cool new JB ROM but hate losing my daily driver ROM.

I'd love to dual boot (or emulate). Using Ubuntu/Win8 would massively enhance my productivity.

Android PC Possible?

Hey everyone, I am new to this site and the whole Android Development thing altogether.
I have been researching and pondering an idea of mine for some time now and I have yet to find any answers. I have been looking at an old laptop of mine that I basically just use for movies/surfing as it is pretty outdated (Gateway MX-6959: 1.66GHz CPU, 2GB RAM, Intel Integrated Graphics) but it is fine for older games and emulators. I also have an HTC Amaze 4G Android Phone that has similar Specs (1.5GHx CPU, 1GB RAM, Adreno 220 Graphics).
This question I have is would it be possible to build a small custom case to house the needed hardware and a simple cooling system and use the hardware from any run-of-the-mill Android Smartphone I might be able to get my hands on (1GHz+ CPu, 512MB-1GB RAM, Adreno or similar GPU...which I will root/overclock) to build a Micro PC that runs Android 4.0 and can run emulators (GBA, PS1, etc) as well as Android HD Games like Modern Combat 3, N.O.V.A., etc.
Is it possible to do this? If not, what are the constraints to the project? What all would it entail?
Any information/advice would be greatly appreciated! Thank you.

See no reason why not. Infact there are already quite a few mini pcs on the market running android and thevlikes of raspberry pi are getting android ports
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zacthespack said:
See no reason why not. Infact there are already quite a few mini pcs on the market running android and thevlikes of raspberry pi are getting android ports
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Yes Android PC, or Ubuntu mobile...

I know things like Raspberry Pi and Via APC are around, but they have extremely limited capability from what I have read...not to mention a weak 600MHz processor. I want to essentially build a mini gaming Android PC. Something closer to a ~1.5GHz CPU with Adreno or equivalent graphics on board.
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jsekits said:
I know things like Raspberry Pi and Via APC are around, but they have extremely limited capability from what I have read...not to mention a weak 600MHz processor. I want to essentially build a mini gaming Android PC. Something closer to a ~1.5GHz CPU with Adreno or equivalent graphics on board.
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Doing a bit more research, I have found something called ODROID-X. IT it using a Samsung Exynos 4412 Cortex A9 Quad Core Processor (1.4GHz), 1GB RAM, and Mali-400 graphics. These seem very similar to my Amaze 4G...maybe even a bit better. Does anyone know if this unit can be overclocked? If so, how far can it be pushed and still be stable? As I stated, I want to design it in a custom case that I can rig a small scale cooling unit to in order to keep the OC'ed CPU stable.
I only really want to take on the project if it will be able to handle the higher-end Android games/emulators. Modern Combat 2-3, N.O.V.A. 1-2-3, PS1 emulator, etc.
Sorry for all of the questions by the way, I am still VERY NEW to the whole custom hardware/software scene and I just want to make sure I do everything the correct way.

I don't know if it would help but I think you might be able to run an x86 android build on your laptop.

haro138 said:
I don't know if it would help but I think you might be able to run an x86 android build on your laptop.
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I could, true...and still may at some point since I have 3 at my disposal. But, I just like the idea of making something new...and I want to learn more about the hardware as well.

a LiveCD for Android running on x86 platforms
You can also use the disc image in a virtualization application like VirtualBox, VMWare or Microsoft Virtual PC if you want to try the operating system without even rebooting your computer. :cyclops:
http://code.google.com/p/live-android/

haker307 said:
a LiveCD for Android running on x86 platforms
You can also use the disc image in a virtualization application like VirtualBox, VMWare or Microsoft Virtual PC if you want to try the operating system without even rebooting your computer. :cyclops:
I might look into that for other things, but that defeats the purpose of what I am trying to do. I want to BUILD a system. I'm leaning towards the ODROID-X Platform, but I need to figure out developing a custom case than I can mount a couple fans to since I plan to overclock as high as the Samsung Sxynos 1.4GHz Quad Core and MAli-400 graphics can be taken and remain stable. I also need to figure out what type of power supply I would need to use since the ODROID-X uses 5V / 2A, I don't know how I would need to set it up to plus into a wall outlet.
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Get a big enough tablet, attach a keyboard, and you have an Android PC.
But seriously, Android is based on a linux kernel, I think ubuntu would be like an android pc.

baddaman54 said:
But seriously, Android is based on a linux kernel, I think ubuntu would be like an android pc.
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Ubuntu is nothing like android. It's a full-fledged computer OS; compared to it, android is just a toy.
For that matter, I'm not sure why you'd prefer android for a computer, but whatever floats your boat.

you won´t be able to run N.o.v.a 3 or any of those games on a androidx86 image, because those games are compiled for arm not x86.
Just buy an Ouya.

When I say PC, I think I messed up, I simple meant a system in a box, plugged into the wall lol. The hardware is ARM, the OS on ODROID-X is 4.0ICS. It's a venture to play Android HD games/websurf with a controller or keyboard and mouse via Bluetooth on an HDTV.
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Samsung rolling out JB for most smartphones

I got my hopes up for nothing as the Charge did not make the list
http://www.engadget.com/2012/09/24/samsung-rolling-jelly-bean-toward-most-of-its-smartphone-tablet/

It has already been said that jb and touchwiz would never fit on our system partition.
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I think the bigger issue here besides getting 4.1 is... the mobile market needs to follow the model of the PC for the enduser.
I would be willing to pay some money to upgrade to the next major OS updates for my devices. Whether its my tablets or my phone. I wouldn't mind if I could only get vanilla android either.
It would put the power in the consumers hands. For example, I bought a laptop with windows vista and later upgraded it to windows 7 since my laptop could run it well. I hope someday android is able to do this as well. And sooner rather than later.
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bubarub said:
I think the bigger issue here besides getting 4.1 is... the mobile market needs to follow the model of the PC for the enduser.
I would be willing to pay some money to upgrade to the next major OS updates for my devices. Whether its my tablets or my phone. I wouldn't mind if I could only get vanilla android either.
It would put the power in the consumers hands. For example, I bought a laptop with windows vista and later upgraded it to windows 7 since my laptop could run it well. I hope someday android is able to do this as well. And sooner rather than later.
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The problem is that upgrading a phone will never be as straightforward as upgrading a PC. There's no one "Android Operating System" that exists as a general purpose OS. AOSP is the base, but even Google does more work to it before it goes on a Nexus device. Every phone has different hardware, which requires different drivers, and often, different close-source software and libraries, which means that every version of Android is a different embedded OS that is based on core Android. Making it generalized enough to run across the board on all hardware on the market would bloat it. It would make it memory, CPU, and power inefficient. We like to think of our phones as powerful miniature computers, but in reality, they don't even match the processor and memory capabilities of the average netbook. It's only through careful optimizations that it is able to run the way it runs, and you can't just slap a generic version of Android on a device and expect the same results.

Its not impossible...
And isn't every computer different from one another just like a phone or tablets?!
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bubarub said:
Its not impossible...
And isn't every computer different from one another just like a phone or tablets?!
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As Shrike said - the phones are too small and don't have the capacity that computers do for memory, disk and processor. Even if they did, the power draw would be excessive. Everything is extremely customized to fit within the phone's tiny footprint.
BTW - every computer has it's own limits with respect to memory and cpu capacity. Yes, you can upgrade, but there is a point of diminishing returns. What's the point of installing the fastest processor if the bus can't handle it? It goes on and on.
Lastly, it will never be in their best interests (profits, new sales) to adopt the computer model. They don't like that you keep a computer for years. They want churn. They want planned obsolescence.

bubarub said:
Its not impossible...
And isn't every computer different from one another just like a phone or tablets?!
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Impossible? No. Highly impractical? Yes
A computer has enough memory, storage, and processor power that the larger footprint of the "everything and the kitchen sink" model doesn't bog it down the way it would a phone. Just look at storage space alone...when you don't know exactly what hardware you're going to encounter, you have to account for all possibilities. Just the extra storage is going to add tangibly to the cost. Then you have the extra power drain required for the more efficient processors that will be needed to run the more generic OS correctly, and the extra RAM needed to load all of it's parts. A smartphone is a modern example of the classic embedded system. When you have limited resources to work with, your OS has to be more focused, customized, and efficient to work in an acceptable way.
So, yes, it's possible in the broadest sense, but do you want to pay $1500+ for the device that can be upgraded at will and be out of date within 2 years? Or would you rather pay $100-$500 every two years for the latest hardware and OS, at the expense of a more limited upgrade path? Personally, I know where I'll put my money.

Haha good point on that last paragraph! I agree.
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Specs
It doesn't take much to look at the default off the shelf Dell box's specs and compare them to that of any phone. The Intel Core i7 or AMD FX-8150 processors would smoke any ARM on the market for mobiles. Memory in the desktop is 4GB Dual Channel DDR3 SDRAM at 1600MHz. Again crushing the Droid Charge and every other phone. 1TB 7200RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive, nuff said man won't be there for mobile for a while now. The power consumption would drain your mobiles battery in the time it takes to boot up. Let us also not forget that GHz and GB and TB don't all perform the same across the board. For instance a 1TB parallel ATA drive, 1TB SATA, and 1TB SSD differ vastly in performance. The NVIDIA Tegra 3 Quad core, 1.2 GHz, ARM Cortex-A9 processor in the Nexus 7 just doesn't hold a candle to the Intel Core i7-640UM Dual Core 1.2 GHz. It's about more than cores and clock speeds.

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It doesn't take much to look at the default off the shelf Dell box's specs and compare them to that of any phone. The Intel Core i7 or AMD FX-8150 processors would smoke any ARM on the market for mobiles. Memory in the desktop is 4GB Dual Channel DDR3 SDRAM at 1600MHz. Again crushing the Droid Charge and every other phone. 1TB 7200RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive, nuff said man won't be there for mobile for a while now. The power consumption would drain your mobiles battery in the time it takes to boot up. Let us also not forget that GHz and GB and TB don't all perform the same across the board. For instance a 1TB parallel ATA drive, 1TB SATA, and 1TB SSD differ vastly in performance. The NVIDIA Tegra 3 Quad core, 1.2 GHz, ARM Cortex-A9 processor in the Nexus 7 just doesn't hold a candle to the Intel Core i7-640UM Dual Core 1.2 GHz. It's about more than cores and clock speeds.
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I could take the time to pick apart your post and make fun of you, but there isn't any point.
Kind of like your post.
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Time to just give up on JB or ICS for charge. I just upgraded to galaxy nexus. I love it and highly recommend it. Cheers!
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Build rig

Hey all. Im thinkin about putting together a computer to build roms. I have an idea of what i want.
Now i was wondering if i could get some ideas from devs or home builders with experience.
Now this is what id like to build
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/XpwKK8
Now im wondering. Would an i7 really be all that much better at building roms than a amd fx 8 core?
I would like to play some games also but they dont have to be perfect.
Just looking for opinions

From my past experience, you will need lots of RAM to complete builds quickly.
You might want to consider increasing your current 8gb to at least 16gb or even 32gb. And using a SSD will save you a lot of time as well, but I don't know how much you're willing to spend.

First of all, I would recommend with the i7 because in my experience Intel has always worked much more smoothly and easily with Linux. And like the guy above me mentioned lots of ram and an ssd would help you greatly.

psycho693 said:
First of all, I would recommend with the i7 because in my experience Intel has always worked much more smoothly and easily with Linux. And like the guy above me mentioned lots of ram and an ssd would help you greatly.
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Well I think this setup is a good start then. I definitely add more ram and a ssd

Andromendous said:
Well I think this setup is a good start then. I definitely add more ram and a ssd
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What distro of Linux do you plan on using?

You should post your budget so we know what you can buy.

i7 over amd fx...not that i hate amd products,am a big fan except for its CPU that overheat a little bit
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Looks solid. Just get 16 GB of RAM if you can. You won't need the GTX 760 to build android from source; but I think you choose that part to do some gaming instead.
You might want a SSD as your boot drive. Using a SSD to store and compile android from source may not be the best idea as the entire process needs quite a bit of space. But hey, that's up to you to decide.
And uh for Linux distro to use, some suggestions are Elementary OS or Linux Mint. Recent Ubuntu (14.04) seems very strange to use. Then again, there's a lot of distros to choose from, so give them a try down the line.

Sorry for the late response, but thanks for the replies.
Right now im using xubuntu 14.04.
Im not very experienced but im learnin. Just learned how to build slim from source and im typing on the rom i built right now, its stock slim. Id like to learn how to cherry pic stuff so i can make it my own, then maybe one day be able to write my own source code.
So, I guess id use xubuntu, has worked so far. Unless theres a better suggestion or reason to use something ells.
I plan to piece this rig together over a month or two or however long it takes. I guess my budget is sorta endless, $1,000 is more than i would like to spend, but id like to have a pretty darn good rig. It doesnt have to be the absolute fastest computer in the world, but id like to be up there. Ive heard lots of good things about the gpu and cpu i picked and kinda set on it. Id maybe change to a cheaper i5 equivalent, i heard the i7 isnt a huge difference in gaming as most games dont utilize HT. But i assume it would help build roms.
So anyway, im ok with spending $800-$1,000 to have a great rig to start. But I always plan on adding to it. This list is just to get me going, first id maybe buy the MB, then the cpu, then the case, then maybe a 8gb stick of ram and a hdd etc.

In the end, id like to have at least 16gb of ram, dunno if more would make a difference
And have maybe 2 250gb ssd, one with windows 7 installed and the other with linux installed (dont know if thats possible) then 2 1tb 64mb hd's and another gpu, which i believe the mb i picked is not good for dual gpu's so i might need to find a different mb
Edit: well, now that i think about it. 2 250's might be over kill, maybe 2 80's or 64's just for the os
Anybody got any good suggestion s on ssd's? I heard they dont last very long without some tweaking. But, what are some dependable brands?

Create multiple partitions and dual boot lol

&& Yes you can put multiple SSD's with different OS on them. Ideally you want the OS on the SSD because they're extremely fast. Just get a high RPM HDD for storage tbh. I'm pretty sure mods will delete my link if I post one, so just Google newegg and see what they have to offer