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Hi! I would really like to buy this tablet but I heard from somewhere that the tegra 3 gpu and cpu needs 500mb of ram so that there would be only a half gig left to system.
So could somebody tell me what the available ram is for real on that tablet and is the amount of ram enough? And also is tf700 really worth the money?
Thanx in advance
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Stempanssi said:
Hi! I would really like to buy this tablet but I heard from somewhere that the tegra 3 gpu and cpu needs 500mb of ram so that there would be only a half gig left to system.
So could somebody tell me what the available ram is for real on that tablet and is the amount of ram enough? And also is tf700 really worth the money?
Thanx in advance
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You shouldn't judge it on how much ram it has left. RAM can be used to pre cache apps so theres no loading time. Different manufactures tweek the way android handles RAM. A tablet with less available RAM can run faster than one with more available RAM
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ian1 said:
You shouldn't judge it on how much ram it has left. RAM can be used to pre cache apps so theres no loading time. Different manufactures tweek the way android handles RAM. A tablet with less available RAM can run faster than one with more available RAM
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There's not a lot that you can do to clog up the available RAM on this thing anyways....Even if you had 500MB available, what kind of applications can actually fill up that space?
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There's not a lot that you can do to clog up the available RAM on this thing anyways....Even if you had 500MB available, what kind of applications can actually fill up that space?
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Thats what I wanted to know, but one thing more what's the real amount of ram left to system.
And do you think this tablet is worth the money?
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Stempanssi said:
Thats what I wanted to know, but one thing more what's the real amount of ram left to system.
And do you think this tablet is worth the money?
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I don't know how much RAM is being used, they're not available in the US quite yet. I can only guess that the system will use 500MB or less. On my Bionic, I don't have a big problem of not having enough RAM, so I don't expect it on the tablet (especially since the OS on the tablet is much cleaner than on my phone).
Worth the money? That's up to you. It has the best specs on the market right now and has the awesome keyboard dock, so I think it's worth it.
Listen to ian1, he had something important to say.
Also remember that Android has its own way of not only freeing memory used by running and idle processes, but also of managing various kinds of memory - it is not free/used dichotomy, you have to count in shared and buffered memory (you can actually see it in various OSs nowadays). I have about half of Infinity's 1GB RAM available normally (and right now), which is AFAIU free+buffered mainly.
The TF300 has a LOT of ram available on boot up. Almost a full GB I think.
Free ram is NOT a good indicator of how fast/usable your device is. Android is based on Linux, which has a philosophy of free ram is wasted ram. That is, your device will actually be faster if its ram is full. This is why task killers are considered to be so bad on Android. Just let Android manage itself and don't worry about it.
Ok thanks all I think i'm buying the tf300
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You have 976mb of ram most of it is used though
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I have googled the hell out of this, and there just isnt much out there. How much Ram is best for building ROM's? I understand that there is no such thing as too much RAM, but how much is really beneficial? I am currently building from source, and doing some cherry picks with a gateway laptop. 2.1 GHZ dual core AMD vision processor, 4GB Ram DDR3 PC-8500. I am thinking about upgrading to 8GB DDR PC10200. I am wondering if this will speed anything up or not. Or is it just unnecessary spending? The memory is only like $45 shipped so its not overly pricey, but the only thing increasing memory will help me with (or will it?) is compiling and buiding, and syncing. My internet is only ATT DSL and my max download is like 5mb. It is typically my hinderence. Please advise!
And no I cannot upgrade my internet, my complex wont let us have cable from anyone but them and they only offer 1.5mb from bloom, and they want $45 per month. I am paying $20 per month for ATT DSL @ 6mb (which i never get obviously). There are no other DSL providers and like I said the complex wont let any other company bring in cable connections.
It really depends on what OS you're running. A lot of OEMs put x32 Windows on their systems, even though they're all capable of x64 now. If you have a 32-bit system and are running Windows, your OS will limit you to ~3GB of available memory, regardless of how much you have physically installed.
If you're running Linux (which is recommended, I believe, for development), then more memory is always a good thing. The more memory and the faster processor means faster compiling speeds. Faster compiling speed means you can test your ROM/app faster.
Syncing will depend solely on your download speeds, so RAM will not really have any effect on that at all.
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It really depends on what OS you're running. A lot of OEMs put x32 Windows on their systems, even though they're all capable of x64 now. If you have a 32-bit system and are running Windows, your OS will limit you to ~3GB of available memory, regardless of how much you have physically installed.
If you're running Linux (which is recommended, I believe, for development), then more memory is always a good thing. The more memory and the faster processor means faster compiling speeds. Faster compiling speed means you can test your ROM/app faster.
Syncing will depend solely on your download speeds, so RAM will not really have any effect on that at all.
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You can't build source in windows and he has stated he is building from source so he's on linux.
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You can't build source in windows and he has stated he is building from source so he's on linux.
Ram isn't dudes problem your processor could use an upgrade though with a decent dual core building at standard -j4 will take roughly 2 hours on cm
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You can't build source in windows and he has stated he is building from source so he's on linux.
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That wasn't mentioned in the OP, but my comments about 32-bit vs 64-bit still hold. There are ways to virtualize, and that would run differently than a full install.
Ram isn't dudes problem your processor could use an upgrade though with a decent dual core building at standard -j4 will take roughly 2 hours on cm
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The AMD Vision series are dual, quad, and octo core processors. I'm guessing that his is at least a dual core already. Not saying an upgrade wouldn't help, but it's harder to upgrade a laptop processor than a desktop one.
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That wasn't mentioned in the OP, but my comments about 32-bit vs 64-bit still hold. There are ways to virtualize, and that would run differently than a full install.
The AMD Vision series are dual, quad, and octo core processors. I'm guessing that his is at least a dual core already. Not saying an upgrade wouldn't help, but it's harder to upgrade a laptop processor than a desktop one.
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It's a dual core, wish it was quad lol. I am running Linux mint, 64 bit so that won't limit me thankfully. Good info guys!
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I just read that you can't compile 2.3.x+ without a 64-bit OS, so my comments about the OS are rendered mostly useless. Other comments still hold, though.
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I just read that you can't compile 2.3.x+ without a 64-bit OS, so my comments about the OS are rendered mostly useless. Other comments still hold, though.
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At one point in time I was compiling cm9 on my 32bit system. Took about an two and a half hours though. Dual core with 3gig ram
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ICS I could compile on 32 bit jb I need 64 bit
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I think I'm gonna just grab an 8gb kit from crucial and see what happens
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That's dumb no point get a better processor before that much ram it will not help you at all with compiling without something to use that data
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That's dumb no point get a better processor before that much ram it will not help you at all with compiling without something to use that data
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I can't find a processor that's compatible, plus so far building cm10 hasn't even used 75% of my processor. If you can find a way to replace a laptop processor let me know. I hear it's a pain.
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I can do it on my dell inspiron bro and why get 8 gigs of ram your not doing anything that needs it if your also not pushing the processor
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I can do it on my dell inspiron bro and why get 8 gigs of ram your not doing anything that needs it if your also not pushing the processor
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I'll look into finding a drop in quad core, it will take time to research tho.
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Decepticaons said:
I have googled the hell out of this, and there just isnt much out there. How much Ram is best for building ROM's? I understand that there is no such thing as too much RAM, but how much is really beneficial? I am currently building from source, and doing some cherry picks with a gateway laptop. 2.1 GHZ dual core AMD vision processor, 4GB Ram DDR3 PC-8500. I am thinking about upgrading to 8GB DDR PC10200. I am wondering if this will speed anything up or not. Or is it just unnecessary spending? The memory is only like $45 shipped so its not overly pricey, but the only thing increasing memory will help me with (or will it?) is compiling and buiding, and syncing. My internet is only ATT DSL and my max download is like 5mb. It is typically my hinderence. Please advise!
And no I cannot upgrade my internet, my complex wont let us have cable from anyone but them and they only offer 1.5mb from bloom, and they want $45 per month. I am paying $20 per month for ATT DSL @ 6mb (which i never get obviously). There are no other DSL providers and like I said the complex wont let any other company bring in cable connections.
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I'm currently using an old Vista computer with an AMD Athlon Dual core 4600+, GeForce 210 PCIe, & 2GB of DDR2. Nothing fancy nor overclocked. I have Linux Mint 13 "Maya" - Cinnamon (64-bit) installed and it all works quite nicely. Your biggest downfall is going to be your DSL (I have the same) because it takes a few hours to download the repository files. As far as compiling & debugging goes, it's all good.
The Mint linux is simply a Ubuntu based OS with far less GUI issues on my older comp, I've had both but Mint seems to run smoother:
http://www.linuxmint.com/edition.php?id=106
There's lotsa good info here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1801690
I'm still very new to the actual building myself but I've had a blast learning! My phone is actually running on a system I compiled all by myself! I couldn't have done it without all the help from my new friends here on XDA...
Search the forum for more info, it's ALL there, you simple need to look for it! Hope I helped...
Have fun with it!
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scootertrashtx said:
I'm currently using an old Vista computer with an AMD Athlon Dual core 4600+, GeForce 210 PCIe, & 2GB of DDR2. Nothing fancy nor overclocked. I have Linux Mint 13 "Maya" - Cinnamon (64-bit) installed and it all works quite nicely. Your biggest downfall is going to be your DSL (I have the same) because it takes a few hours to download the repository files. As far as compiling & debugging goes, it's all good.
The Mint linux is simply a Ubuntu based OS with far less GUI issues on my older comp, I've had both but Mint seems to run smoother:
http://www.linuxmint.com/edition.php?id=106
There's lotsa good info here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1801690
I'm still very new to the actual building myself but I've had a blast learning! My phone is actually running on a system I compiled all by myself! I couldn't have done it without all the help from my new friends here on XDA...
Search the forum for more info, it's ALL there, you simple need to look for it! Hope I helped...
Have fun with it!
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I should have mentioned my compile time, It took about 5 1/2 hours on JB... you can throttle the output a bit with a command code that sk8ter listed... let me find it...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1766862
3rd code block in #1...
If you're using a laptop, set it on a hard, flat surface or better yet, get a cooler... it'll get a bit warm.
Read this too... good info:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=667298
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1812253
I got my hopes up for nothing as the Charge did not make the list
http://www.engadget.com/2012/09/24/samsung-rolling-jelly-bean-toward-most-of-its-smartphone-tablet/
It has already been said that jb and touchwiz would never fit on our system partition.
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I think the bigger issue here besides getting 4.1 is... the mobile market needs to follow the model of the PC for the enduser.
I would be willing to pay some money to upgrade to the next major OS updates for my devices. Whether its my tablets or my phone. I wouldn't mind if I could only get vanilla android either.
It would put the power in the consumers hands. For example, I bought a laptop with windows vista and later upgraded it to windows 7 since my laptop could run it well. I hope someday android is able to do this as well. And sooner rather than later.
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bubarub said:
I think the bigger issue here besides getting 4.1 is... the mobile market needs to follow the model of the PC for the enduser.
I would be willing to pay some money to upgrade to the next major OS updates for my devices. Whether its my tablets or my phone. I wouldn't mind if I could only get vanilla android either.
It would put the power in the consumers hands. For example, I bought a laptop with windows vista and later upgraded it to windows 7 since my laptop could run it well. I hope someday android is able to do this as well. And sooner rather than later.
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The problem is that upgrading a phone will never be as straightforward as upgrading a PC. There's no one "Android Operating System" that exists as a general purpose OS. AOSP is the base, but even Google does more work to it before it goes on a Nexus device. Every phone has different hardware, which requires different drivers, and often, different close-source software and libraries, which means that every version of Android is a different embedded OS that is based on core Android. Making it generalized enough to run across the board on all hardware on the market would bloat it. It would make it memory, CPU, and power inefficient. We like to think of our phones as powerful miniature computers, but in reality, they don't even match the processor and memory capabilities of the average netbook. It's only through careful optimizations that it is able to run the way it runs, and you can't just slap a generic version of Android on a device and expect the same results.
Its not impossible...
And isn't every computer different from one another just like a phone or tablets?!
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bubarub said:
Its not impossible...
And isn't every computer different from one another just like a phone or tablets?!
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As Shrike said - the phones are too small and don't have the capacity that computers do for memory, disk and processor. Even if they did, the power draw would be excessive. Everything is extremely customized to fit within the phone's tiny footprint.
BTW - every computer has it's own limits with respect to memory and cpu capacity. Yes, you can upgrade, but there is a point of diminishing returns. What's the point of installing the fastest processor if the bus can't handle it? It goes on and on.
Lastly, it will never be in their best interests (profits, new sales) to adopt the computer model. They don't like that you keep a computer for years. They want churn. They want planned obsolescence.
bubarub said:
Its not impossible...
And isn't every computer different from one another just like a phone or tablets?!
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Impossible? No. Highly impractical? Yes
A computer has enough memory, storage, and processor power that the larger footprint of the "everything and the kitchen sink" model doesn't bog it down the way it would a phone. Just look at storage space alone...when you don't know exactly what hardware you're going to encounter, you have to account for all possibilities. Just the extra storage is going to add tangibly to the cost. Then you have the extra power drain required for the more efficient processors that will be needed to run the more generic OS correctly, and the extra RAM needed to load all of it's parts. A smartphone is a modern example of the classic embedded system. When you have limited resources to work with, your OS has to be more focused, customized, and efficient to work in an acceptable way.
So, yes, it's possible in the broadest sense, but do you want to pay $1500+ for the device that can be upgraded at will and be out of date within 2 years? Or would you rather pay $100-$500 every two years for the latest hardware and OS, at the expense of a more limited upgrade path? Personally, I know where I'll put my money.
Haha good point on that last paragraph! I agree.
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It doesn't take much to look at the default off the shelf Dell box's specs and compare them to that of any phone. The Intel Core i7 or AMD FX-8150 processors would smoke any ARM on the market for mobiles. Memory in the desktop is 4GB Dual Channel DDR3 SDRAM at 1600MHz. Again crushing the Droid Charge and every other phone. 1TB 7200RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive, nuff said man won't be there for mobile for a while now. The power consumption would drain your mobiles battery in the time it takes to boot up. Let us also not forget that GHz and GB and TB don't all perform the same across the board. For instance a 1TB parallel ATA drive, 1TB SATA, and 1TB SSD differ vastly in performance. The NVIDIA Tegra 3 Quad core, 1.2 GHz, ARM Cortex-A9 processor in the Nexus 7 just doesn't hold a candle to the Intel Core i7-640UM Dual Core 1.2 GHz. It's about more than cores and clock speeds.
MikeAGriffey said:
It doesn't take much to look at the default off the shelf Dell box's specs and compare them to that of any phone. The Intel Core i7 or AMD FX-8150 processors would smoke any ARM on the market for mobiles. Memory in the desktop is 4GB Dual Channel DDR3 SDRAM at 1600MHz. Again crushing the Droid Charge and every other phone. 1TB 7200RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive, nuff said man won't be there for mobile for a while now. The power consumption would drain your mobiles battery in the time it takes to boot up. Let us also not forget that GHz and GB and TB don't all perform the same across the board. For instance a 1TB parallel ATA drive, 1TB SATA, and 1TB SSD differ vastly in performance. The NVIDIA Tegra 3 Quad core, 1.2 GHz, ARM Cortex-A9 processor in the Nexus 7 just doesn't hold a candle to the Intel Core i7-640UM Dual Core 1.2 GHz. It's about more than cores and clock speeds.
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I could take the time to pick apart your post and make fun of you, but there isn't any point.
Kind of like your post.
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Time to just give up on JB or ICS for charge. I just upgraded to galaxy nexus. I love it and highly recommend it. Cheers!
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Hi friends, i am new member of this forum, i have recently bought Karbonn A21, facing problems coz of low ram.
Can anyone help me, i want to upgrade my phones RAM first of all is it possible if so then how.
mobile devices aren't like pc's - you cannot solder in more ram into the soc .
however you could use swap similar to virtual memory in windows where in a portion of your sdcard will house a swap file onto to which some stuff will be off loaded when running out of memory
You can't upgrade RAM as it's already prebuilt in, the best bet is to update to the latest firmware which includes improvements and close apps that isn't being used
nikufellow said:
mobile devices aren't like pc's - you cannot solder in more ram into the soc .
however you could use swap similar to virtual memory in windows where in a portion of your sdcard will house a swap file onto to which some stuff will be off loaded when running out of memory
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okay... Thank u for help
not possible
psingh92 said:
Hi friends, i am new member of this forum, i have recently bought Karbonn A21, facing problems coz of low ram.
Can anyone help me, i want to upgrade my phones RAM first of all is it possible if so then how.
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Not quite sure what these other people have been drinking, but a RAM chip is soldered onto the main board of current phones. This is not simply 'upgradeable', nor will any manufacturer notify you or even offer a RAM upgrade for your phone.
If it is possible, then you will need a ram chip for a phone that runs on the same voltage and amps, heat the soldering around your current chip on the main board (which can cause immense damage to the phone and give you a nice, shiny brick), pry it off, replace with new RAM chip, reheat it into place. Then hoping the phone accepts it and doesn't just lie there, making smoke and sparks.
No you can't. Just real PC, no phones or tabs.
ZRam
xperia_rebel said:
Not quite sure what these other people have been drinking, but a RAM chip is soldered onto the main board of current phones. This is not simply 'upgradeable', nor will any manufacturer notify you or even offer a RAM upgrade for your phone.
If it is possible, then you will need a ram chip for a phone that runs on the same voltage and amps, heat the soldering around your current chip on the main board (which can cause immense damage to the phone and give you a nice, shiny brick), pry it off, replace with new RAM chip, reheat it into place. Then hoping the phone accepts it and doesn't just lie there, making smoke and sparks.
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Yup. On SOME phones with VERY good soldering skills you might be able to replace the RAM chip.
However based on how the OP asked the question, I don't think they have the skills to replace the RAM chip without destroying their device.
Also, many devices now use PoP (Package-on-Package) RAM where the RAM chip is actually ON TOP OF the CPU chip - it is nearly impossible to rework PoP RAM without destroying the device. Heck, it's tough enough to even manufacture - I believe BeagleBoard was delayed quite a bit due to PoP manufacturing issues.
For now only can reduce the ram usage
Hey man your best bet is custom rom as in it we can remove useless apps and make more memory free but you lose your warranty but hacking your phone in best part as god forbid something goes wrong you can take your phone to customer care centre and say i don't know what happened and they will fix your phone. So any time you want custom rom message me I'll help you out
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i don't think you can. just use a custom ROM that optimizes the ram you have
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It will surely be easily possible in the future, but I think only on Android.
Or at least, Open Source Systems .
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It is not related with the operating system of the phone but it is related with the hardware design of the phone.(open source is not related with this at all)
Some people mentioned that you can replace ram and the possibility to work is really low. It is true and also because our phones work in high frequency the electromagnetic effects should be considered too.
Honestly the thread title made me lol. You can try to increase cache size but no RAM upgrades possible.
etbaba said:
It is not related with the operating system of the phone but it is related with the hardware design of the phone.(open source is not related with this at all)
Some people mentioned that you can replace ram and the possibility to work is really low. It is true and also because our phones work in high frequency the electromagnetic effects should be considered too.
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That is not entirely true. Open source is a term that applies to open and available documentation and resources that shows you the internals of either software or hardware. Open Source means that the originator/creator of what you are looking at is generous enough to share the "blue prints" on how to make said item. As such, hardware can also be open source.
This thread reminded me of this link...
http://www.downloadmoreram.com/
Maybe worth a shot?
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That is not entirely true. Open source is a term that applies to open and available documentation and resources that shows you the internals of either software or hardware. Open Source means that the originator/creator of what you are looking at is generous enough to share the "blue prints" on how to make said item. As such, hardware can also be open source.
This thread reminded me of this link...
http://www.downloadmoreram.com/
Maybe worth a shot?
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Ahah i knew the link, it is a craig website
I didnt know open source for the hardware part, my bad thanks for the info :thumbup:
But still upgraging ram on a phone is almost impossible.
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forgot it, it is impossible. reduce RAM usage
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egzthunder1 said:
That is not entirely true. Open source is a term that applies to open and available documentation and resources that shows you the internals of either software or hardware. Open Source means that the originator/creator of what you are looking at is generous enough to share the "blue prints" on how to make said item. As such, hardware can also be open source.
This thread reminded me of this link...
http://www.downloadmoreram.com/
Maybe worth a shot?
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Misledz said:
HAHA! WHAT?! Did you read this part? Is this even legit!?
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Try it. It is legit
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Try it. It is legit
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I feel like it's one of those pen1s enlargement scams I get mailed all the time
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Misledz said:
I feel like it's one of those pen1s enlargement scams I get mailed all the time
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Well i tried downloading iphone ram for my pc and surprisingly it works
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How feasible would it be to have a decent comp engineer to take out the old flash memory and put in a decent spec version to blast up the I/O it's risky obviously but could it work? Anyone with this sort of experience know how interchangeable these chips are? Or are they pretty device specific?
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I think this has been spoken of before. It is possible but all the skill and knowledge needed to do so would not really be worth the effort on the tablet. Even if successful it is risky to attempt as the main board in the tablet is meant to be all together, and not bothered.
Tylor
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Might have a go once I've got some money together!
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Data2sd works well and is much invasive ... first do no harm
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For my money, I'd rather swap out the 1GB memory chip for either a 2 or 4GB module. Slow I/O wouldn't be as big a deal if the system could keep more things in RAM, and it would prolong the device life as well. The specs on these things are great, but I fear having only 1GB of RAM will start to really hurt as programs get larger and high-definition assets become more prevalent.
I found a video on YouTube where a guy has two Android phones with similar specs side-by-side, one with 1GB of RAM and the other with 2GB. The lag between switching applications caused by having to restart ones that get killed due to low memory is jarring.
But, since reality says it's cheaper to just buy a new device, that's probably what I'll do (in time anyway). That new one from HP (Slatebook X2 I think it's called) looks quite nice. Tegra4/Cortex-A15 with 2GB of RAM, HD display, and keyboard dock included for $479USD. Yummy!
becomingx said:
For my money, I'd rather swap out the 1GB memory chip for either a 2 or 4GB module. Slow I/O wouldn't be as big a deal if the system could keep more things in RAM, and it would prolong the device life as well. The specs on these things are great, but I fear having only 1GB of RAM will start to really hurt as programs get larger and high-definition assets become more prevalent.
I found a video on YouTube where a guy has two Android phones with similar specs side-by-side, one with 1GB of RAM and the other with 2GB. The lag between switching applications caused by having to restart ones that get killed due to low memory is jarring.
But, since reality says it's cheaper to just buy a new device, that's probably what I'll do (in time anyway). That new one from HP (Slatebook X2 I think it's called) looks quite nice. Tegra4/Cortex-A15 with 2GB of RAM, HD display, and keyboard dock included for $479USD. Yummy!
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You are correct about being able to pack more things into RAM to make things faster and smoother, but I can hardly watch a full HD movie from the internal storage without the tablet beginning to become crippled.
I am eager to start seeing tablets with the tag "Intel Inside" lol. And maybe instead of a sdcard thingy, how about a full sata III SSD , wouldnt that be sweet? lol a i/o speed to keep up with RAM . The new convertible tablets that can run Android or Windows 8 seem really sweet that have SSDs and internal SD cards but right now they are way to much for me.
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Tylorw1 said:
You are correct about being able to pack more things into RAM to make things faster and smoother, but I can hardly watch a full HD movie from the internal storage without the tablet beginning to become crippled.
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Can you elaborate? How does it get crippled?
I am eager to start seeing tablets with the tag "Intel Inside" lol.
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If Intel can do it without needing active cooling, I'm all for it. There's actually some obscure model Transformer powered by an Intel chip and it looks absolutely ridiculous -- the body is rather thick and it needs big ol' cooling vents on the back.
And maybe instead of a sdcard thingy, how about a full sata III SSD , wouldnt that be sweet? lol a i/o speed to keep up with RAM .
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I can't imagine what adding an SSD using SATA3 would do to the price. :laugh:
The new convertible tablets that can run Android or Windows 8 seem really sweet that have SSDs and internal SD cards but right now they are way to much for me.
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Got a link? I'd like to see.
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Can you elaborate? How does it get crippled?
When watching a movie, the i/o speed is not good enough to do other stuff with it. Like when you ae watching a movie, it is kind of a idle thinking, and if you would want to move files to the device from your computer while watching a movie. The movie will lag and the file transfer would be extremely slow.
If Intel can do it without needing active cooling, I'm all for it. There's actually some obscure model Transformer powered by an Intel chip and it looks absolutely ridiculous -- the body is rather thick and it needs big ol' cooling vents on the back.
Yeah Intel makes monster CPUs though. I am sure behind the scenes in Intel's labs they got processors for mobile devices already and are finalizing them. But the speed would be great .
I can't imagine what adding an SSD using SATA3 would do to the price. :laugh:
SSDs have gone down a lot, but for the performance increase and paying $50 for a 32GB SSD
Got a link? I'd like to see.
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http://androidcommunity.com/asus-tr...d-android-dual-boot-tablet-hands-on-20120604/
I cannot find the article/tablet about a smaller one but there is one, its kinda big though lol.
Tylor
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becomingx said:
If Intel can do it without needing active cooling, I'm all for it.
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Silvermont looks promising.
becomingx said:
I can't imagine what adding an SSD using SATA3 would do to the price. :laugh:
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I'd happily pay 10% more for my device to get 1000% more I/O performance.
Agreed.
Ahh well, frustrating. Possibly the advent of a new flagship transformer may solve this.
How is the pad phone in this regard?
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Tylorw1 said:
When watching a movie, the i/o speed is not good enough to do other stuff with it. Like when you ae watching a movie, it is kind of a idle thinking, and if you would want to move files to the device from your computer while watching a movie. The movie will lag and the file transfer would be extremely slow.
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Ah, I see. Android isn't much of a multitasker as far as foreground applications go, so I wasn't sure how you could've been doing something else while watching a movie. I try to do as much as I can from the microSD card, which makes me kind of sad thinking about it
Yeah Intel makes monster CPUs though. I am sure behind the scenes in Intel's labs they got processors for mobile devices already and are finalizing them. But the speed would be great.
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Indeed. Although, the Cortex-A15 chips look pretty good. The hardware virtualization extensions are especially interesting. It's not really practical without a good amount of RAM, but the prospect of running an x86 virtual machine at near native speed on my tablet makes me tingle with excitement!
SSDs have gone down a lot, but for the performance increase and paying $50 for a 32GB SSD
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Didn't realize they had gotten that cheap. Of course, you're also going to be paying for the SATA controller, and for some engineers to work it into the hardware and software design.
http://androidcommunity.com/asus-tr...d-android-dual-boot-tablet-hands-on-20120604/
I cannot find the article/tablet about a smaller one but there is one, its kinda big though lol.
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Thanks, I'll check it out!
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Silvermont looks promising.
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Cool! Another thing I'll have to check out.
I'd happily pay 10% more for my device to get 1000% more I/O performance.
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Heh, If ASUS cheaped out on the internal storage in the first place to maximize profits, what makes you think they're going to only charge you the "off-the-shelf" price for the additional hardware?
becomingx said:
Indeed. Although, the Cortex-A15 chips look pretty good. The hardware virtualization extensions are especially interesting. It's not really practical without a good amount of RAM, but the prospect of running an x86 virtual machine at near native speed on my tablet makes me tingle with excitement!
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I don't think that these virtualization extensions magically make the ARM CPU run x86 code anywhere near native speed.
But these will:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6936/...tecture-revealed-getting-serious-about-mobile
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6975/amd-kabini-apus-detailed
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Didn't realize they had gotten that cheap. Of course, you're also going to be paying for the SATA controller, and for some engineers to work it into the hardware and software design.
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Tegra 3 already has a built-in SATA controller.
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Heh, If ASUS cheaped out on the internal storage in the first place to maximize profits, what makes you think they're going to only charge you the "off-the-shelf" price for the additional hardware?
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If I can buy it "off the shelf" for amount X, that includes taxes, shipping, packaging, warranty, distributor's and ratailer margins - so a manufacturer should be easily able to get it for X/2. But I don't expect ASUS to build the device exactly as I want anyway...
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I don't think that these virtualization extensions magically make the ARM CPU run x86 code anywhere near native speed.
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True, I haven't been able to find much data yet on how the extensions compare to their x86 counterparts, but I would think they should do quite well. Is there any reason why the combination of QEMU and KVM wouldn't be able to pull this off?
But these will:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6936/...tecture-revealed-getting-serious-about-mobile
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6975/amd-kabini-apus-detailed
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Lots of good stuff here, thanks.
Tegra 3 already has a built-in SATA controller.
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Whaaa? I had no idea (obviously).
If I can buy it "off the shelf" for amount X, that includes taxes, shipping, packaging, warranty, distributor's and ratailer margins - so a manufacturer should be easily able to get it for X/2. But I don't expect ASUS to build the device exactly as I want anyway...
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Hmm, I guess you've got me there.
becomingx said:
True, I haven't been able to find much data yet on how the extensions compare to their x86 counterparts, but I would think they should do quite well. Is there any reason why the combination of QEMU and KVM wouldn't be able to pull this off?
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I'm sure that it will work, but given that the Android emulator is quite slow even on a fast PC (emulating ARM on x86), I doubt that the inverse emulation on a less powerful CPU will be fast enough to run Windows (and I can't think of any other reason why one would want x86).
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I'm sure that it will work, but given that the Android emulator is quite slow even on a fast PC (emulating ARM on x86), I doubt that the inverse emulation on a less powerful CPU will be fast enough to run Windows (and I can't think of any other reason why one would want x86).
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Which emulator are you referring to?
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Which emulator are you referring to?
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The one from the SDK.
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The one from the SDK.
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Ah. That one doesn't make use of the KVM for ARM virtualization. So, yes, it will run like a dog with no legs.
For now, I guess I'll have to play the wait-and-see game, but I'm hopeful that the geniuses that have made it possible for me to run two Linux systems and a Windows system on top of another Linux system with excellent performance for all four at the same time can make it happen. Although, I am realistic and know that x86 on ARM may not be quite as good as x86 on x86.
(It doesn't *have* to be Windows on the tablet by the way, running a full Linux stack in a virtual machine rather than dual-booting or chrooting or some other nonsense is appealing to me at least. )