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Just curious what your opinions are on these two phones.
I have the iPhone 4, and I have till October 9th to return it after my 30 days is up. With the new G2 coming out, I preordered it and I'm stuck with a hard decision of what phone to keep.
Apple iPhone 4 or the T-Mobile G2?
Any device over an iphone!!!!!!!!!!!
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Any device over an iphone!!!!!!!!!!!
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Really? Although I'm not an Apple fanboy, I do enjoy the iPhone 4. I just am having trouble choosing which one to stick with. The G2 will be outmatched in a couple of months which is one reason why I'm having second thoughts.
If you like playing games stick with iphone...if not get a G2...
I'm going from an iPhone 4 to a G2. Not many great reasons though, mostly for the HSPA+ network speeds. I love tinkering with phones though, and I've hit the wall with jailbreaking for the most part. Looking forward to seeing what xda does with the G2
Why not wait for the desire HD? great specs although im not to enthusiastic about the desire design.
I dont like apple due to its lack of physical features (memory card, full bluetooth connectivity etc) so I wouldnt recommend it personally.
As an iPhone 4 owner (hell, I currently own 2 iPhone 4s), it's probably the single best smartphone I've ever owned.
As always, iOS is silky smooth fast and beautiful, the new hardware design is fantastic, and my biggest compliment to it is the battery life. Bar none, the iPhone 4 has lasted longer than any other smartphones I've owned in the past, save for one (the Nokia E71, which I would hesitate to call a smartphone).
I owned a Samsung Captivate previously and looking at the specs sheet of both, it seems like the Samsung Captivate beats out the G2 to me, so I'm going to go ahead and recommend keeping the iPhone 4.
ease of use iphone for me, simple easy to jailbreak and mess with the 4 looks very nice but if you like a tinker id move on for a year then go back when the new 5 is out, new things are cool
3gs and iphone 4 aren't a world apart except for decent screen and rear facing camera which phones have had for ages anyway
go tinker
Get the G2 it looks sweet . Especially if you want a hardware keyboard.
I got an iPod touch if I want any iOS heh. And if I want 3g I use mobile AP on the go and tether my phone to it haha. Haven't done that yet.
Basically ask yourself. Do you want a limited idiot proof device? Or do you want something that you have control over and can do whatever you want?
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As an iPhone 4 owner (hell, I currently own 2 iPhone 4s), it's probably the single best smartphone I've ever owned.
As always, iOS is silky smooth fast and beautiful, the new hardware design is fantastic, and my biggest compliment to it is the battery life. Bar none, the iPhone 4 has lasted longer than any other smartphones I've owned in the past, save for one (the Nokia E71, which I would hesitate to call a smartphone).
I owned a Samsung Captivate previously and looking at the specs sheet of both, it seems like the Samsung Captivate beats out the G2 to me, so I'm going to go ahead and recommend keeping the iPhone 4.
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Hi not trying to troll here, but I have a question. why dosent it bother you that the iphone takes common technology like bluetooth, restricts it and then advertises it like it is a fully functioning device?
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Hi not trying to troll here, but I have a question. why dosent it bother you that the iphone takes common technology like bluetooth, restricts it and then advertises it like it is a fully functioning device?
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Hahahahhahahhahahhaha ! ROFLMAO ! +1
Have both and switch every month
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Basically ask yourself. Do you want a limited idiot proof device? Or do you want something that you have control over and can do whatever you want?
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I switched from iPhone to android (captivate). It wasn't pretty but I'm glad to have done it.
But freedom comes with a price. I had to tweak my phone to even get it to work as intended (thanks XDA!). Battery Life is nowhere near my 2 year old iPhone 3g was.
So just need to ask yourself do you really want to tweak on a phone - or just use it. iPhone is a great working smart phone out of the box - while most Android phones will require you to do some customizations to get it the way you want it.
So the specs were released for the Samsung Nexus S and I am very disappointed.
1GHz Cortex A8 (Hummingbird) processor
16GB iNAND flash memory
The AMOLED Screen should be nice, the only thing that is nice about this phone.
It is basically a Galaxy S with Gingerbread ROM. More internal memory.
It will be a nice phone, but I expected a dual core processor.
I hate non physical buttons as my N1 had lots of issues with them.
I honestly don't see myself upgrading to this phone...
No 4G, No Front Face Camera, and a Samsung built phone.
I will stick with my MyTouch4G and I think the rumors of developing for the G2/MT4G were gonna stop when the Nexus S was released were just that rumors. There will be development for it... but it will be to set up CM7 (Gingerbread) for older phones.
It has a front facing camera and has capabilities to run HSDPA
It does have the FFC, but no hsdpa+. I still think it fails. STILL NO LED NOTIFICATIONS EITHER!!
It does have a front facing camera. I was holding out on getting the MyTouch 4G for this phone. Now I'm still pretty torn on which I should get. This is really unsettling!
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It has a front facing camera and has capabilities to run HSDPA
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Ya I was wrong about the FFC but still no HSPA+.... that sucks...
I am very disappointed in this phone, and in Gingerbread. I was expecting a lot of wow in both and I don't see it. I'm not saying it won't have major speed improvements, but I thought GB was supposed to be a UI gangster =D. Oh well there's always next year (HoneyComb).
The Nexus S is simply a US version of the Euro Galaxy S with stock Android on board, NFC chipset, downgraded Bluetooth connectivity, no 720p video capture and no removable storage (no SD card). Compared to the MT4G it has less RAM (mt4g = 768mb nexus = 512mb), no hspa+ capability. So in my opinion the only upside to the nexus S is stock Android w/ up to date OS upgrades from Google, and 16gb of on board storage.
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I really don't get why they fingered Samsung to build the Next Nexus device. Maybe because they build phones like Apple.... With trendy advertisement and the illusion of awe. Lol. Only Apple can sell millions of people a 10 in pad that does nothing more than the average smart phone out there..
Avatar helped, didn't it? HTC makes great devices and they opt for "Quietly Brilliant".
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I really don't get why they fingered Samsung to build the Next Nexus device. Maybe because they build phones like Apple.... With trendy advertisement and the illusion of awe. Lol. Only Apple can sell millions of people a 10 in pad that does nothing more than the average smart phone out there..
Avatar helped, didn't it? HTC makes great devices and they opt for "Quietly Brilliant".
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I think they went with samsung cuz of the near field chip. Google is said to be pretty excited about it.
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I think they went with samsung cuz of the near field chip. Google is said to be pretty excited about it.
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Yeah, NFC is a nice piece of tech and an advancement for sure... I wish them luck, but I know there is going to be a lot of pissed developers, modders, and just plain device users not having an SD Card. The whole point of Android and Googles revolution is the open freedom. What is next???? A Unremovable battery?
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I really don't get why they fingered Samsung to build the Next Nexus device. Maybe because they build phones like Apple.... With trendy advertisement and the illusion of awe. Lol. Only Apple can sell millions of people a 10 in pad that does nothing more than the average smart phone out there..
Avatar helped, didn't it? HTC makes great devices and they opt for "Quietly Brilliant".
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Most big business transactions are done via a sealed bid process. It's quite possible that Samsung had the lowest bid and won the contract.
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Most big business transactions are done via a sealed bid process. It's quite possible that Samsung had the lowest bid and won the contract.
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No doubt money was the motivation, which does surprise me. Google is not afraid to spend money. You would think as open as google is with their VERY FAT wallet, they would have not chosen the cheaply made plastic device as opposed to the metal and durable devices for their very own Nexus Series. I guess I just dream of the solid build of metal and glass we ask love on our MT4G, with a 4.3 screen, and no physical buttons.
I understand their reasons for the choice, I just don't understand the reasons of their choices. Lol.
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No doubt money was the motivation, which does surprise me. Google is not afraid to spend money. You would think as open as google is with their VERY FAT wallet, they would have not chosen the cheaply made plastic device as opposed to the metal and durable devices for their very own Nexus Series. I guess I just dream of the solid build of metal and glass we ask love on our MT4G, with a 4.3 screen, and no physical buttons.
I understand their reasons for the choice, I just don't understand the reasons of their choices. Lol.
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It's quite possible that Samsung used the success of the Galaxy S series to seal the deal with Google. We all know about the serious issues with Galaxy S phones. However, they sold millions of units worldwide and have established brand recognition. I'm certain that Google took that into consideration when awarding Samsung the Nexus contract.
Moreover, it appears that Samsung used a different GPS antenna in the Nexus S than in the Galaxy S, and got rid of the RFS system. It's quite possible that Google had a lot of say in it. In fact, the replacement of the GPS antenna clearly suggests that the faulty GPS in the Galaxy S phones is a hardware defect.
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It's quite possible that Samsung used the success of the Galaxy S series to seal the deal with Google. We all know about the serious issues with Galaxy S phones. However, they sold millions of units worldwide and have established brand recognition. I'm certain that Google took that into consideration when awarding Samsung the Nexus contract.
Moreover, it appears that Samsung used a different GPS antenna in the Nexus S than in the Galaxy S, and got rid of the RFS system. It's quite possible that Google had a lot of say in it. In fact, the replacement of the GPS antenna clearly suggests that the faulty GPS in the Galaxy S phones is a hardware defect.
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Samsung has established brand recognition within the android community...and it is not good. Specifically within the developer crowd, so it seems counterproductive to make a developer phone from a company that most developers have sworn to stay away from.
I think I made a right decision getting MT4 after I heard NS won't have memory card support and AMOLED.
Not Having a SD will make it difficult to MOD/Hack
I'm sorry but I love Google I've had every developer phone hated to sell my nexus one but the Nexus S is not spiking my interest at all. It is lacking toooooo much. Plus the MT4G has been upgrading pretty quickly it's already rooted and I know CM won't let us down on Gingerbread GO ANDROID
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Samsung has established brand recognition within the android community...and it is not good. Specifically within the developer crowd, so it seems counterproductive to make a developer phone from a company that most developers have sworn to stay away from.
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Agreed. Chalk me up as a member of the Android community who will not be buying any more Samsung phones. However, money definitely talks, and I'm sure that factor definitely came into play.
Samsung is a powerful consumer name so there's "cred" there. Also, Google may well not have wanted to put too many eggs in the HTC basket. You get a LOT better support from your vendors if they know they are not single source. So it may have had a lot less to do with unit cost and a lot more to do with reminding HTC they are not the only game in town (my opinions differ but I have to use the device, not write contracts with the vendor).
Overall the Nexus S is better than I would have expected from Samsung. Their "cred" comes with a lot of "consumer grade" baggage; I generally avoid their products. It is probably unfair at this point to call Samsung "cheap junk", but no one is going to accuse them of building high end equipment either.
Comparison wise: I waited about 7 months for project emerald, driving everyone around me only somewhat more crazy than normal in the process. I got the Glacier on the release date and cannot say a single bad thing about it. It is a worthy example of the ultra-high quality I expect from HTC.
I bought a behold the day it came out and dealt with its problems. I had a stock vibrant for 4 days when it started with its problems. I will never buy samsung again. Can't believe google allowed a company known for defects to produce their next flagship. Ill stick to my mt4g till something that actually beats it comes out.
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The Nexus S is very ugly, average specs, Samsung made and I'm not happy. I will keep my Nexus One, never sell it and guess I'll keep the MyTouch 4G.
PS - No SD card, no HSPA+, I can not believe no sd card. I always rave about the Nexus One to anyone who will listen, because of that I wanted the Nexus S real bad but I am a real nut when it comes to cell phones. I will probably figure some way of buying that damn thing anyways.
I feel like Android phone manufacturers are making so many new phones no one can even keep up anymore. (Unless you have thousands of dollars to invest into phones). I just bought a droid Charge in August 2011 and pretty much there are 3-4 phones out or that will be out that are better in the next 2 weeks.
Personally I think they are making to many phones to fast and they are not giving the older phones the updates they need. This could turn in to a major fail. Just wanted to hear some other peoples thoughts on this issue.
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I feel like Android phone manufacturers are making so many new phones no one can even keep up anymore. (Unless you have thousands of dollars to invest into phones). I just bought a droid Charge in August 2011 and pretty much there are 3-4 phones out or that will be out that are better in the next 2 weeks.
Personally I think they are making to many phones to fast and they are not giving the older phones the updates they need. This could turn in to a major fail. Just wanted to hear some other peoples thoughts on this issue.
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get used to it br0. It's the cycle of technology. You can NEVER keep up. Just love what you have.
I do love what I had. That is why I just sold it on ebay. LOL I want the latest and greatest, but this is getting ridiculous. Who in the heck wants to hang with their old droid when there are 20 better phones out there within a year. Either Apple is on something or they are on to something. 1 new phone ever 6 months to a year and people go nutz for the fricking thing.
My advice evaluate the phone technology and its likelihood to be supported. These are the 2 most critical items to consider.
I have had a Galaxy phone since its release and I waited for it for 5 months before getting it............ because I knew it was going to have tech that would endure for a while. Now, we have the dual cores everywhere. Beware, just because it is dual core does not make it a great phone. Make sure to check everything out, and make sure it will be supported. Finally, As soon as you get a dual core in ........2012 there will be quad cores..........and so it goes...........
illuminarias said:
get used to it br0. It's the cycle of technology. You can NEVER keep up. Just love what you have.
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exactly the same goes for PCs
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I do love what I had. That is why I just sold it on ebay. LOL I want the latest and greatest, but this is getting ridiculous. Who in the heck wants to hang with their old droid when there are 20 better phones out there within a year. Either Apple is on something or they are on to something. 1 new phone ever 6 months to a year and people go nutz for the fricking thing.
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Well, yeah. Then commercial groups offering spaceship travels for big money definietly shouldn't do it, but wait until everyone can afford it.
If only having the best phone makes you feel the best I feel sorry for you. : (
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I want the latest and greatest
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Then the problem is clearly you and not the manufacturers. Ask yourself why you always want the latest and greatest. What significant and meaningful difference does it make in your day-to-day life.
Riddlin said:
I feel like Android phone manufacturers are making so many new phones no one can even keep up anymore. (Unless you have thousands of dollars to invest into phones). I just bought a droid Charge in August 2011 and pretty much there are 3-4 phones out or that will be out that are better in the next 2 weeks.
Personally I think they are making to many phones to fast and they are not giving the older phones the updates they need. This could turn in to a major fail. Just wanted to hear some other peoples thoughts on this issue.
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The carriers will never update their phones as quickly as we would like, but we have CM7, Miui and other distributions to fix that.
Do you upgrade a laptop every 3-4 months? Likely not.
'phones' are becoming similar.
Also, Android being a powerful free OS allows many phone makers to get in on making a smartphone quite quickly. This is a good thing, not a bad one.
I dont go to the food store and complain there are too many different types of bread. Choice is a luxury.
/firstworldproblems
There is a problem.
The problem isnt choice or speed of new handsets. Its the fact these handset makers seem to be going out of there way to hold back features just to create more options.
Nearly every choice you make you sacrifice something that shouldnt be. This last year Samsung was incredibly guilty of that.
We shouldnt have to pick between the phone with the best camera or the best screen 3g or 4g when theyre released with identical specs within a few weeks/months of each other.
You end up with a situation where IMO since 3GS/NexusOne were both available at same time theres basically no best handset to get. They all have some glaring downside that often seems intentional. Nexus Galaxy having weak gpu/pentile screen/5mp camera for a flasgship phone is the calling card of this awful trend.
Hopefully Google buying Moto means a true flagship android phone will be out in the future. HTCs lousy digitizer selection , and Samsungs half assed approach really are getting on my nerves.
Win7 just needs more options PERIOD.
Actually I'm happy I'm a reviewer and I get all the newest models for a week only. I never have to regret my choice and invest in next generations and upgrades.
That's why I chose a mid-tier device - If review phones must be wiped, I can still keep my data on my Ace and customize how I want.
It's good that technology is moving so fast. You buy a thing, but there are many others that haven't bought this thing. If they were iPhoners, they would have to wait until June (or October in 4s case) till the next model.
But Androiders and WP7ists just go in the store and buy tech that is up to date, because it is released just weeks ago and so specs are always at its zenith.
Phone manufacturers are really going out of control. They produce phones with specs that are missing, then include them in their next offerings. but then they produce phones which are pretty much the same as the ones before except for 1 or 2 upgrades to increase sales.
They like to make their products 'diverse' but if you look on the bird's eye view of it. It becomes clear that they are just going for quantity without quality products.
Why don't they just drop down a killer phone whose specs will stay for at most 2 years?
Better buy a product which suits you for the next year or two
I think it's great, actually. People only THINK they need the latest and greatest device, when they don't. I rather have 5 new phones come out in a 2 week period than having to wait for something for a year or so. With android, there's little chance of you not finding the PERFECT phone for you. (Mines is the SK4G, I can care less about any other phone now)
The only problem I see with rapid phone releases is updates. I highly doubt the Sidekick 4G, even with it coming out earlier this year, will see ICS... let alone Gingerbread, because they're forgotten about/ not important enough.
Honestly, if you have a rooted GB device, and it runs how you like it, do you need to worry about the newer phones?
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Why don't they just drop down a killer phone whose specs will stay for at most 2 years?
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Because, short of Apple and their ability as a small company producing both hardware and software,there is not profit in that. Companies are out to make money, it is not their fault that the wealthy people of the world have decided that they must have the latest phone no matter what, that's on the consumer.
I bought a Nexus One in April 2010 and I've not felt tempted to replace it before now because it runs Gingerbread and newer phones didn't seem to offer that much more.
However, the release of the Galaxy Note with the stylus for accurate screen pointing and screen large enough and with sufficient resolution to display entire Web page makes an upgrade now worthwhile to me. Zooming and panning a small phone screen across a Web page to find specific points of interest is a pain and I look forward to leaving that experience behind.
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Because, short of Apple and their ability as a small company producing both hardware and software,there is not profit in that. Companies are out to make money, it is not their fault that the wealthy people of the world have decided that they must have the latest phone no matter what, that's on the consumer.
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^What he said
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Phone manufacturers are really going out of control. They produce phones with specs that are missing, then include them in their next offerings. but then they produce phones which are pretty much the same as the ones before except for 1 or 2 upgrades to increase sales.
They like to make their products 'diverse' but if you look on the bird's eye view of it. It becomes clear that they are just going for quantity without quality products.
Why don't they just drop down a killer phone whose specs will stay for at most 2 years?
Better buy a product which suits you for the next year or two
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Because if they play apple's game, they will lose horribly. Apple is apple, and apple is the standard whether you like it or not. When a average person compares a phone, what does he compare it to? The iPhone of course. So a manufacturer will not survive if they only release a oh so powerful phone every year or two, simply because they do not have nearly as much of a fan base apple has.
it's really awesome imo
always something to be excited about
I love waiting for a phone I've been wanting to drop in price, and while I wait, an even better phone gets released lmao
http://www.facebook.com/motorola?sk=wall&filter=1 click the link people like it and comment on it.
I have seen first hand proof of this working. I had an evo 3d. Htc decided all futre devices would have locked bootliaders well that made alot of people angry. Someone posted a thread on xda suggesting we let htc know that is not gna fly. So it turnd out thousands of people got on there facebook wall and twitter. Guess what the next day htc released a statement saying that they wanted too keep there coustamers happy and that the bootloader would be unlocked. They were. Id like to be able too have a device and not have too get a new one juzt because moto or htc or sammy wants too put them out constantly get people too buy them and then ditch them and out out another. The atrix is 100 percent capable of runing ics and theres no excuae for it l not too recieve it just because moto wants people too buy new devices every couple months. I know many many people feel the same way well as i said we have the power too change that if people would stop bickering and take it seriously. And also if moto started supporting devices longer not just bug fixes but the new android flavors. Id definately make my next device a moto it would do nothing but benefit them
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Because if they play apple's game, they will lose horribly. Apple is apple, and apple is the standard whether you like it or not. When a average person compares a phone, what does he compare it to? The iPhone of course. So a manufacturer will not survive if they only release a oh so powerful phone every year or two, simply because they do not have nearly as much of a fan base apple has.
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Music to my ears
I think the worst thing about this is how it will affect the everyday Samsung phone user. They've already shown they are willing to even preemptively alter software (local search) in order to avoid lawsuits and after the court loss it's only going to get worse. What updates are on the horizon as Samsung scrambles to avoid more jury "decisions" and patent cases? Sure, maybe it forces them to do something new and imaginative and finally dump the questionable TouchWiz, but the short term could mean bad OTA updates for people who bought an amazing phone. I know I won't be going back to stock.
Some people are wondering why Samsung/Google don't wage war back holding parts or search hostage, but the reality is that they need Apple more than Apple needs them. The gigantic marketshare they hold means Google needs their users eyeballs, and Samsung cannot lose the income from supplying iComponents. They even released a statement during the trial stating they considered the divisions absolutely sealed from one another, signaling loud and clear to Apple it won't even be a bargaining chip.
I hate this. It's all the more sickly ironic when you think back to Apple fighting to survive in Microsoft's shadow, now playing an even worse villain. And Microsoft is probably the one who wins from all this. It seemed like maybe the general tech press was starting to get wise and there was a small voice of outrage beyond just the Android community starting to form in the face of this bulls***, but now that the iPhone and mini-iPad are launching it's just going to be months of the gadget press fellating a minor upgrade in software and form as Apple steamrolls more competitors.
I never understood the Apple vs Microsoft debate, like If you want a PC, just buy one and forget about Mac, who cares it's a computer. But in light of current press, I see the reasoning and I also see why Apple needs to die. Shame on them
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I would also guess that the parts Samsung sells for iPhones are under an ironclad contract and would just create another law suit. Maybe when that contract is up Samsung will double the price of those parts to get their money back.
Just be prepared for all the ones who havent purchased the SGS3 yet. Apple is now going after 4 more devices that Samsung has released since the trial to remove them from the market, and the SGS3 is one of them. It was all over Fox News yesterday. Greedy ass Apple cant take the fact that Android is overtaking them by storm, and they cant compete with the technology and speed Android now has over Apple.
What I am going to find interesting is what other technology Apple will try to use(if they try) since Samsung holds a Lte patent
Samsung already said they are ready to file a suit if the next Iphone has Lte
Imagine the Iphone being banned in the US..... heaven....
From what I understand Samsung is going to keep to its promise and take it to an appeals court that deals more directly with patents.
I saw a list of just a few of the phones that were listed that apple wanted to ban from sales, some of which like the droid charge are 1. out of date and not a big seller anyway and 2. look nothing like the iphone. It amazes me to see how low a company will go to corner the market in the smartphone/tablet industry.
I also know that the galaxy s 3 is a target of apples and the court date is sometime in 2014, which doesnt make a bit of sense since by that time the galaxy s 4 will be out or had been out for sometime and a newer phone would be on the horizon. So the lawsuit to ban the product will be irrelevant, but apple will still try to make a profit off it due to patents.
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From what I understand Samsung is going to keep to its promise and take it to an appeals court that deals more directly with patents.
I saw a list of just a few of the phones that were listed that apple wanted to ban from sales, some of which like the droid charge are 1. out of date and not a big seller anyway and 2. look nothing like the iphone. It amazes me to see how low a company will go to corner the market in the smartphone/tablet industry.
I also know that the galaxy s 3 is a target of apples and the court date is sometime in 2014, which doesnt make a bit of sense since by that time the galaxy s 4 will be out or had been out for sometime and a newer phone would be on the horizon. So the lawsuit to ban the product will be irrelevant, but apple will still try to make a profit off it due to patents.
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Yeah the ban is not really an issue, but the damages will most likely be in billions of $. No really the issue either...
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I also know that the galaxy s 3 is a target of apples and the court date is sometime in 2014, which doesnt make a bit of sense since by that time the galaxy s 4 will be out or had been out for sometime and a newer phone would be on the horizon. So the lawsuit to ban the product will be irrelevant, but apple will still try to make a profit off it due to patents.
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Part of the strategy is to hamper development of the S4, the same as Apple actually had a hand in the S3 (and later versions of the S2) being more round-ish than the original S2. Samsung will probably have to limit certain features of any new phones to avoid the traps Apple has laid (like having the product banned for using unified search, slide to unlock, spelling prediction, and any number of bone-stupid things Apple should have no business dictating to anyone else.) In dodging Apple's bull****, Sammy has more limited design options for the S4 right out of the gate- and like the S3 and Galaxy Note 10.1 that clearly they made look nothing like Apple's stuff... they'll probably STILL get sued.
I like to remind people how Apple blocking sales of the Galaxy Nexus reveals their true motivations. Why? The GNexus doesn't look anything like any of Apple's products, but more importantly, it runs STOCK Android- not Samsung's touchwiz. Apple could basically have sued ANYONE using the same bull**** reasons as they did to block the Nexus, but they once again went after a flagship device that they don't want in the market.
So next time you hear some Apple-apologist say the predictable: "Well if Samsung would just stop copying Apple blah blah blah..." just slap them. It's already public record: Apple sues to block Samsung's most successful designs no-matter-what. Resembles iPhone or not / Touchwiz or completely stock Android. Doesn't matter.
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What I am going to find interesting is what other technology Apple will try to use(if they try) since Samsung holds a Lte patent
Samsung already said they are ready to file a suit if the next Iphone has Lte
Imagine the Iphone being banned in the US..... heaven....
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Apple is a lot of things, but one of them is not stupid. There is just no way that they have been this aggressive toward Samsung if Samsung truly does have this supposed hammer in their back pocket. Worst case, Apple has to pay fair licensing fees for standards essential patents--anything beyond that just doesn't pass the smell test IMO.
The latest iPad is 4G LTE, so I'm not quite sure where people get this idea from that Apple has/will have any problem using LTE in the iPhone 5.
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I just came back to the droid universe, after my wife and I went thru seven Droid X2s. Verizon gave me a free move to an iPhone 4s, and I enjoyed it for a time, but I needed the LTE due to my iPhone really not doing well with data at my office. If I ever thought the battery was crap on the iPhone, I was sorely mistaken, it's terribad on this S3, and that's with Mobile Data turned off, using wifi. That being said, I am really enjoying the new hardware, and thank god there is a decent amount of community support for this device. And LTE just blew the socks off my fiber home internet connection, hell, it doubled it!
Side note, why do people compare hardware + software to the android OS? Pick an android phone and compare it to an iPhone. Don't lump every damn manufacturer of an android phone and compare it to an iPhone. The problem, for me, has always been that the iPhone has a bigger selection of apps and a LOT better accessories. Sounds simple, but when you can't find that exact case that suits you, owning an amazing device with little support... it sucks. I would never trade my new iPad for any android based tablet... can't say the same for phones tho. (although my iPhone just sold for $357 on ebay, which would never happen with any one year old android phone) I pray that Samsung sticks with this handset design... that will foster a lot of aftermarket support. Manufacturers don't like change. Make the internals better, make the the software amazing... just keep a form factor around for a bit. THAT'S why apple does so well, they have a ton of aftermarket support for a crap product that's a year or two late.
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I just came back to the droid universe, after my wife and I went thru seven Droid X2s. Verizon gave me a free move to an iPhone 4s, and I enjoyed it for a time, but I needed the LTE due to my iPhone really not doing well with data at my office. If I ever thought the battery was crap on the iPhone, I was sorely mistaken, it's terribad on this S3, and that's with Mobile Data turned off, using wifi. That being said, I am really enjoying the new hardware, and thank god there is a decent amount of community support for this device. And LTE just blew the socks off my fiber home internet connection, hell, it doubled it!
Side note, why do people compare hardware + software to the android OS? Pick an android phone and compare it to an iPhone. Don't lump every damn manufacturer of an android phone and compare it to an iPhone. The problem, for me, has always been that the iPhone has a bigger selection of apps and a LOT better accessories. Sounds simple, but when you can't find that exact case that suits you, owning an amazing device with little support... it sucks. I would never trade my new iPad for any android based tablet... can't say the same for phones tho. (although my iPhone just sold for $357 on ebay, which would never happen with any one year old android phone) I pray that Samsung sticks with this handset design... that will foster a lot of aftermarket support. Manufacturers don't like change. Make the internals better, make the the software amazing... just keep a form factor around for a bit. THAT'S why apple does so well, they have a ton of aftermarket support for a crap product that's a year or two late.
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I'd have to think that you have a defective phone. Battery life on this beast is incredible. I easily get 24 hours and 4-5 hours of screen time on this phone. And that is with a much bigger screen than the iPhone. As far as resale value, that will be determined when the next phone comes out. I got $280 for a refurb rezound. Not bad.
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mdt73 said:
I just came back to the droid universe, after my wife and I went thru seven Droid X2s. Verizon gave me a free move to an iPhone 4s, and I enjoyed it for a time, but I needed the LTE due to my iPhone really not doing well with data at my office. If I ever thought the battery was crap on the iPhone, I was sorely mistaken, it's terribad on this S3, and that's with Mobile Data turned off, using wifi. That being said, I am really enjoying the new hardware, and thank god there is a decent amount of community support for this device. And LTE just blew the socks off my fiber home internet connection, hell, it doubled it!
Side note, why do people compare hardware + software to the android OS? Pick an android phone and compare it to an iPhone. Don't lump every damn manufacturer of an android phone and compare it to an iPhone. The problem, for me, has always been that the iPhone has a bigger selection of apps and a LOT better accessories. Sounds simple, but when you can't find that exact case that suits you, owning an amazing device with little support... it sucks. I would never trade my new iPad for any android based tablet... can't say the same for phones tho. (although my iPhone just sold for $357 on ebay, which would never happen with any one year old android phone) I pray that Samsung sticks with this handset design... that will foster a lot of aftermarket support. Manufacturers don't like change. Make the internals better, make the the software amazing... just keep a form factor around for a bit. THAT'S why apple does so well, they have a ton of aftermarket support for a crap product that's a year or two late.
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I had an iphone 4s for like 7 months and I can honestly say that the battery on my s3 is as good or better than the 4s. Also I don't know what stores you shop at but every one I've been to has cases and such for the s3 widely available.
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I had an iphone 4s for like 7 months and I can honestly say that the battery on my s3 is as good or better than the 4s. Also I don't know what stores you shop at but every one I've been to has cases and such for the s3 widely available.
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Yesterday was spent just getting situated with the phone and rooting it. Today I am going to read up a ton more and get smarter on it, hopefully, lol.
Regarding cases and such, you misunderstood me. I know we're both S3 owners, and we might even consider ourselves fanboys... but take the time to be honest about everything that goes with a phone, including accessories. We WANT to have the plethora available to us like Apple does, but we're not even close. Samsung finally stopped releasing different types of the same phone to different carriers, which helped a ton. Where you are not looking at is every other flippin Android device out there. I was a very early owner of the Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1. Very little community support for that device, even here on xda. Usually "community" turns into iPad or Galaxy Tab bashing... and there's not a ton of residual community. At least, for now, the S3 is sexy and everyone seems to enjoy them. The minute the S4 comes out... next year?, this community will dry up. That's the problem for me... I have seen what a large community can do for a phone, which touches almost every part of my life. Hell, I almost bought a rezound over this phone, because of the screen and the radio... but that community might as well be called a ghost town.
Quick question, are you saying a stock S3 is better than an iPhone with regards to battery life? I just started testing out the stock battery tools... trying to not load up a rom yet, as I seriously have owned the phone for less than 24 hours and want to at least know what I am fixing first, lol.
this flame war is getting annoying
I have a Note 3 AND an iPhone 5. I've been using an iPhone since the first one was released. When I purchased the Note 3 a little over 2 weeks ago I regarded it as somewhat of an experiment. As a result my iPhone 5 was placed safely in a drawer. 2+ weeks on I still find myself taking the iPhone out to play around with it and asking myself which phone I want to stick with. I still don't have an answer.
Random thoughts after owning the Note 3 for 2+ weeks and the iPhone 5 for a year:
1. The iPhone 5 is undeniably slicker. Everything feels so much more like it is working in harmony and I rarely if ever experience any system slowdowns or crashes. Since using the Note 3 I've experienced crashes with a few apps.
2. The iPhone 5 is also undeniably easier to get in and out of just about any pocket. Sometimes when I take the Note 3 out I have to be conscious of which pants I put on as some pockets just aren't deep enough.
3. The accessory situation with the Note 3 is absolutely putrid! I've scoured my town and found so little it's shocking. Contrasting that with the iPhone 5 is absolutely a joke, there are accessories EVERYWHERE for the iPhone 5.
4. The build quality of the iPhone is sublime. It looks and feels like a fine piece of jewelery. The Note 3 is merely ok. The "chrome" band that wraps around the phone is of embarrassing quality when scrutinized. It looks ok from a distance but look at it closely and it's just not a smoothly finished piece of material. The home button on mine and every other one I have tried is loose. It works ok but I am constantly adjusting it to sit level. These issues do not portray what a $700 device should.
5. I was literally shocked when I took my iPhone out of its safe drawer storage location and a notification came in. It sounded so loud and crisp. In comparison the Note 3 speaker is so underwhelming. I can't understand who decided this was a good decision. My Galaxy Tab 1 speakers (admittedly 2 speakers in stereo) sound infinitely better and at least from the outside looking at them are basically the same size each. Couldn't they use 1 of these in the Note 3 for a dramatically improved sound experience? Money certainly can't be the reason on a flagship phone, bad mistake Samsung. I would have paid $705 instead of the $703 I did to get a decent speaker.
6. On the bright side the Note 3 screen is EPIC. Not only in size but in quality. I'm not stunned when I go back to the iPhone 5 that its screen is poor, hardly. But the size difference is impossible to ignore.
7. How can you ignore the Apple ecosystem? For every app I've tried on the Note 3, the iPhone version was better. It's hard to put a finger on why, but that is my perception.
8. IMO the Note 3 is a great device but it feels very thrown together from so many often unrelated parts. It's like a car made up of Porsche, Lexus, Audi, and Mercedes parts, and none of the companies ever talked to each other. The iPhone is exactly the opposite, it feels like a tightly integrated machine. Like a Lamborghini, period.
With all of this said, the Note 3 is outstanding and I can't imagine ever going back to a smaller device.
so your basically saying every negative thing about the note and praising the iphone 5 i would be suprised if this place doesn't turn into a flaming centre and you are saying that you still like it ?? it's like saying my wife is a ***** but i still love her
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so your basically saying every negative thing about the note and praising the iphone 5 i would be suprised if this place doesn't turn into a flaming centre and you are saying that you still like it ?? it's like saying my wife is a ***** but i still love her
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Yes I still like it, very much in fact. I'm just giving the perspective of someone who owns both. Yes I did point out every negative I have personally observed with the Note 3. But all of these negatives combined don't change the fact that the Note 3 is a terrific device. BTW I'm sorry your wife is a *****. :laugh:
You should consider getting iPhone 5s instead. It's clearly the better device for your needs.
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To OP..clearly u are not belong here..anyway enjoy ur iphn 5..or just upgrade it to iphn 5s..
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This is the problem with Samsung. Its a cheap asian knock off company and their quality is typically asian. Samsung phones are franken phones made up of what ever pieces they can find. They are not put together with care or thought. If it fits it will go in.... Apple designs their phones which is why it takes 24 months for a new design.
If Apple launched a 5 inch iphone id likely go back to Apple. I used to use all the android features and freedom but now i cant be bothered.
To be honest im getting tired of the Android ecosystem of manufacturers. Only Apple and Nokia know how to make a quality made device. Samsung have no idea, Their S3 was ugly and their nature theme was a puke inducing typical asian idea that the west just doesnt get. Now these whole notebook theme is another typical korean theme that they think is "cool" The problem is that Korea and China and the rest of Asia have no idea what "Cool" is or even what good design is.
Clearly an iphone lover looking to start up a flaming thread....
This is the problem with Samsung. Its a cheap asian knock off company and their quality is typically asian. Samsung phones are franken phones made up of what ever pieces they can find. They are not put together with care or thought. If it fits it will go in.... Apple designs their phones which is why it takes 24 months for a new design.
If Apple launched a 5 inch iphone id likely go back to Apple. I used to use all the android features and freedom but now i cant be bothered.
To be honest im getting tired of the Android ecosystem of manufacturers. Only Apple and Nokia know how to make a quality made device. Samsung have no idea, Their S3 was ugly and their nature theme was a puke inducing typical asian idea that the west just doesnt get. Now these whole notebook theme is another typical korean theme that they think is "cool" The problem is that Korea and China and the rest of Asia have no idea what "Cool" is or even what good design is. This is why they cant get enough of European brands and western luxury items.
Samsung have never made a cool phone ever. Never will either..
It's obvious that you purchased a device that you don't need . I don't think that a device sound be made of expensive materials here in Europe I can buy an original samsung back cover for my note 3 spending $3 I also can replace it's broken screen for 150$ try to do that with an iPhone so if can suggest something ...next time you gonna a buy a device just value your needs
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This is the problem with Samsung. Its a cheap asian knock off company and their quality is typically asian. Samsung phones are franken phones made up of what ever pieces they can find. They are not put together with care or thought. If it fits it will go in.... Apple designs their phones which is why it takes 24 months for a new design.
If Apple launched a 5 inch iphone id likely go back to Apple. I used to use all the android features and freedom but now i cant be bothered.
To be honest im getting tired of the Android ecosystem of manufacturers. Only Apple and Nokia know how to make a quality made device. Samsung have no idea, Their S3 was ugly and their nature theme was a puke inducing typical asian idea that the west just doesnt get. Now these whole notebook theme is another typical korean theme that they think is "cool" The problem is that Korea and China and the rest of Asia have no idea what "Cool" is or even what good design is.
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Maybe you should take a look at the HTC One mate. Best designed phone around I reckon. Truly beautiful.
As for the rest, stick with 5 or 5s. Both great phones and seemingly fit your needs better. Alternately I'd highly recommend the highly acclaimed HTC One if you want a bigger screen than Iphone but want a gorgeous aluninium device rather than the cheaper plastic design of Samsung.
And to all the anti-metal lot... no, not every plastic phone feels cheap. (5c and HTC One X, etc) Samsung are just lax and can't be bothered with design.
I'm 100% with you, iPhone is the best. Android is just another Symbian and/or Java. I buy android phones for 2 reasons, first for the big display and second to test the apps for free before I buy them for my iDevices. I gotta tell you though this is the first time I used a Samsung device and the display is awesome
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Maybe you should take a look at the HTC One mate. Best designed phone around I reckon. Truly beautiful.
As for the rest, stick with 5 or 5s. Both great phones and seemingly fit your needs better. Alternately I'd highly recommend the highly acclaimed HTC One if you want a bigger screen than Iphone but want a gorgeous aluninium device rather than the cheaper plastic design of Samsung.
And no, not every plastic phone feels cheap. (5c and HTC One X, etc)
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The HTC one is a nightmare. My friend had 5. The build issues are huge. Its a very nice phone and maybe next year if they make a follow up just as good as the one then i might jump. As long as they fix the dead pixels and poorly stuck down aluminium pieces. Slow charging and short battery life.
The Note 3 will have to do till next year. Im hoping things get better next year. Specs are now high enough for me not to care.. i want quality design and build now.
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1. The iPhone 5 is undeniably slicker. Everything feels so much more like it is working in harmony and I rarely if ever experience any system slowdowns or crashes. Since using the Note 3 I've experienced crashes with a few apps. Mac OS X runs lovely on a Mac, but you can still do more on a traditional PC, you can take full advantage of the entire provided hardware on the PC rather than on a Mac (overclocking, hotswapping of mods, hardware upgrades).
2. The iPhone 5 is also undeniably easier to get in and out of just about any pocket. Sometimes when I take the Note 3 out I have to be conscious of which pants I put on as some pockets just aren't deep enough. They are two different types of devices, one is a PHABLET, one is a PHONE.
3. The accessory situation with the Note 3 is absolutely putrid! I've scoured my town and found so little it's shocking. Contrasting that with the iPhone 5 is absolutely a joke, there are accessories EVERYWHERE for the iPhone 5. The Note 3 just came out, give it some time. Also the iPhone community is much bigger than the Note 3 community, because the iPhone has a tiny screen and most of the population have small hands and can't take the Note's big screen.
4. The build quality of the iPhone is sublime. It looks and feels like a fine piece of jewelery. The Note 3 is merely ok. The "chrome" band that wraps around the phone is of embarrassing quality when scrutinized. It looks ok from a distance but look at it closely and it's just not a smoothly finished piece of material. The home button on mine and every other one I have tried is loose. It works ok but I am constantly adjusting it to sit level. These issues do not portray what a $700 device should. An iPhone is so girly, in the sense that they live the life of a girl, they would sacrifice everything just to look good. What does the iPhone 5 have? 3GB RAM? Eight-cores/S800 Quad? S-Pen? Big screen? Big battery? LOL should I even continue? The Note 3 is already so good, and packs all this hardware into such a thin form factor.
5. I was literally shocked when I took my iPhone out of its safe drawer storage location and a notification came in. It sounded so loud and crisp. In comparison the Note 3 speaker is so underwhelming. I can't understand who decided this was a good decision. My Galaxy Tab 1 speakers (admittedly 2 speakers in stereo) sound infinitely better and at least from the outside looking at them are basically the same size each. Couldn't they use 1 of these in the Note 3 for a dramatically improved sound experience? Money certainly can't be the reason on a flagship phone, bad mistake Samsung. I would have paid $705 instead of the $703 I did to get a decent speaker. Well Samsung is notorious for speaker complaints, you don't really choose LG for waterproof devices, or Sony for the Nexus line, you know the rep of the phone you're buying, you're in for the problems. If you want a good phone with good speakers, try the HTC One with Beats (last model of phones to release with Beats on HTC).
6. On the bright side the Note 3 screen is EPIC. Not only in size but in quality. I'm not stunned when I go back to the iPhone 5 that its screen is poor, hardly. But the size difference is impossible to ignore. Both different kind of devices, screen size shouldn't matter, you can't compare an iPod Nano to an iPod touch, clearly there is no winner.
7. How can you ignore the Apple ecosystem? For every app I've tried on the Note 3, the iPhone version was better. It's hard to put a finger on why, but that is my perception. The App Store has been here and fully controlled by Apple ever since the 2.0 days. It obviously controls every aspect of every app, which limits developers to what Apple wants them to do. On Android, they could have been made by kids, grandmas or your mom, there's more freedom, but you can't complain because Google encourages more "free" apps to be developed to take advantage of the hardware.
8. IMO the Note 3 is a great device but it feels very thrown together from so many often unrelated parts. It's like a car made up of Porsche, Lexus, Audi, and Mercedes parts, and none of the companies ever talked to each other. The iPhone is exactly the opposite, it feels like a tightly integrated machine. Like a Lamborghini, period. An iPhone is like a Macbook, all software built for it's hardware. But an iPhone is so simple, and 'jailed' in a non-sandbox environment/containers that cannot essentially interact with each other nicely. What you get from an iPhone is if you want things to work, stay with the iPhone, you don't get more options than an Android, instead, you are running Touchwiz Home on Easy mode....more integrated machine? Well, as I said, Apple makes the software and hardware. Samsung, skins the original software from Google, creates the hardware, and also develops the drivers for each individual machine. This is why people mod cars, you can buy a closed system like Lamborghini or Porsche, keeping all their stock values and everything, limited from doing anything 'special'. One Android, you can essentially run Samsung/HTC/LG/Motorola specific apps on one device, and you can overclock it to make it faster too. You can't upgrade the graphics card in an iMac, but you can on a PC - means that when a new game comes out, the Android runs it better on a newer device by a different company the next week, rather than limiting down THE GAME to be able to run smoothly on an iPhone. People who think iPhone's are better, they're alright, because they DO NOT LIKE CHANGE, and they do not like to **** up or experiment hands on (no offence but it's true), and jailbreaking is just getting a skin + addons onto the device. On Android, you can run different platforms of OS'es, like Windows 95 (natively in VM) or Ubuntu 13 (as a complete OS install).
With all of this said, the Note 3 is outstanding and I can't imagine ever going back to a smaller device.
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Just my two cents. Not here to flame the Apple-loving crowd roaming around an open source OS development website.
I used an iPhone for 2 weeks last month, I didn't notice this "Apple ecosystem" people are so much talking about. LOL even Play Store is way better than Apple's App Store. Also, of course iPhone accessories will be everywhere because they make so much money from Apple users. When I went to buy a Note 3 they didn't even ask me if I wanted extended warranty or not, somebody was buying an iPhone right beside me and I couldn't believe how they sold extended warranty(not Apple Care), screen protector and a case. If somebody is buying an iPhone, they're probably very naive, so upselling is very easy lol On iOS you have to wait for those annoying animations to finish before the screen recognises your finger. If this is what you call "smooth/fast" no thank you I'm happy with my "laggy" Android
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Dreadful thread tbh
In regards to the HTC One, the earlier models may have had issues but from what I've seen the newer ones are fine.
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Also, someone who can see the benefits of both OS is not an "Apple fan"
I don't own any Apple products and I was using a more productive but horribly laggy windows mobile back when smartphones were not common. By the time the iphone came out you could see that it was aimed at the more casual market and it has since inproved significantly but Android will always be the one for tweaking and customizing. There was no denying though that even from day 1, iPhone was much smoother and a better user experience in comparison to windows mobile.
Some people couldn't care less about that though, and people shouldn't get so defensive if someone wants to compare this phone with the iPhone 5. I don't have a Note 3 and I'm still on 2, and I read this part of the forum for general feedback.
Some people need to get a life and realise its only a phone. People will have different needs! If you really can't bear to see a thread like this and feel is MUST be locked down, then you really need to reevaluate your lives.
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Also, someone who can see the benefits of both OS is not an "Apple fan"
I don't own any Apple products and I was using a more productive but horribly laggy windows mobile back when smartphones were not common. By the time the iphone came out you could see that it was aimed at the more casual market and it has since inproved significantly but Android will always be the one for tweaking and customizing. There was no denying though that even from day 1, iPhone was much smoother and a better user experience in comparison to windows mobile.
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Were you aiming this at me, calling him an Apple fan?
Well...I never said the word 'fan', but he has a Note 3 and an iPhone, but he's more towards an iPhone, as they are more...an 'iPhone person'.
Back in the day, Apple was the new thing, cool, fast and everything. But that is in the past. Imagine running Symbian on loads of devices today, I'd go no phone forever. Windows Mobile 6.5 and below....were so slow.....so Apple fixed that, but now Android adds upon what Apple does, and Samsung builds on Google, but since Samsung's shares are increasing, Apple sues Samsung for all they got, instead of innovating as what Steve Jobs and past partners would have done.
The OP has a point.
people are missing the big picture.
this is not the tipical apple /android flame thread , because this are not tipical times . The tides are changing
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the apple fans are here admitting the virtues off iphone but recognizing that note 3 is superior.
that post about asians suck at aesthetics .. oh man is so true! Note 3 wins .. but what is going on with the aesthetics? Its just screen basically. . Hard to miss .. and sometimes they do ( n 2 / s3 phones ugly as sin )
And android with TW is truly bad ! Thats why modding is good and we like . Those ex-apple-fanboys-still-think-they-are , probably run all stock.
Never owned an iphone , to me an iphone since day one, is a girl thing.
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This is the problem with Samsung. Its a cheap asian knock off company and their quality is typically asian. Samsung phones are franken phones made up of what ever pieces they can find. They are not put together with care or thought. If it fits it will go in.... Apple designs their phones which is why it takes 24 months for a new design.
If Apple launched a 5 inch iphone id likely go back to Apple. I used to use all the android features and freedom but now i cant be bothered.
To be honest im getting tired of the Android ecosystem of manufacturers. Only Apple and Nokia know how to make a quality made device. Samsung have no idea, Their S3 was ugly and their nature theme was a puke inducing typical asian idea that the west just doesnt get. Now these whole notebook theme is another typical korean theme that they think is "cool" The problem is that Korea and China and the rest of Asia have no idea what "Cool" is or even what good design is. This is why they cant get enough of European brands and western luxury items.
Samsung have never made a cool phone ever. Never will either..
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