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Need a reason to keep HD2.

So I am brand new to the whole smart phone market. My old phone took a poo and decided to not work so I figured it was a great time to upgrade and join the new era of smart phones.
I knew nothing about smart phones but knew Ihad to go with t-mobile so I could be undercontract with my gf.
HD2 was all over the the tv/internet so I thought it was the new badass phone so I figured I would just got for it.
When I went to the t-mobile stand they didnt have any because they were selling so fast. I looked at their options and got the mytouch 3g. Brought the phone home and had a blast with the android market, it was so easy to use. Couple days later I went back to buy a case for the mytouch 3g but when I got to the stand they said they just got 6 HD2s in and I could trade in for it. Since it was the phone I wanted I did it.
Took my new HD2 hope and started to mess with it, confused as heck, way different with windows mobile. The phone was fast looked amazing but was not as fun.
Now Im torn what to do.
I guess what Im really trying to do is get input from people who know the market and how these phones will go. Will the HD2 be able to compete with the android market at all? A buddy said Microsoft trys to hard with Windows Mobile to compete but they always fall behind when it comes to phones. Or will the Android market just stay way ahead of the curve?
Thats my rant, I just dont want to regret trading in my HD2 because its still so new on the market.

just got rid of mine...ive dealt with windows mobile too much...i loved the phone but without android on it i feel its not worth it...ive got android on my xperia x1 and love it...just wish i had the big screen like the hd2...i personally suggest you get the nexus one...its an overall better phone and has a fairly big screen along with android....your best bet for now atleast

The HD2 is really nice and fast, but honestly, android is still sort of BETA still. You know what i'm saying? They haven't established completely like Apple. evenutally , Android market will be filled with neat stuff.
I think android is way better than windows mobile.
maybe not apple by games, but eventualy and hopefully, android gets better games and graphics.
And your right, maybe HD2 isn't the "right" time to get it now because it's still new. The android market is still damn new too!
Thanks to Google's unrestricted (like Apple) market, we will eventually take over

I agree I do like the Nexus one from what I have researched but the problem is its $530. Even though Im a new t-mobile customer I still have to get Googles t-mobile 1 person plan for the reduced rate when Im on a family plan atm.

if you are beyond the point where you can return your phone, I would be interested in getting it off your hands. I love the HD2. My wife has it and it is beyond fast. Flashed a custom rom on it and even the splash screen is cool.

numba1guju said:
the nexus one...its an overall better phone
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the only reason i using HD2 cus of the huge 4.3" screen!, it so comfortable for the eyes!
i hate the freaking capacitive screen! sometime you need to zoom in the texts AS BIG as your finger for it to responds!

friend'scatdied said:
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Maybe for U, but for many the N1 is state of the art & much better!

galaxys said:
Maybe for U, but for many the N1 is state of the art & much better!
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No.
Especially to the state-of-the-art part. The HD2 has a better screen than the Nexus One. The HD2 has more hardware RAM than the Nexus One.
The choice is simply Android OS on the Nexus One vs. WinMo on the HD2. The Nexus One's only hardware advantage is the noise-cancellation via the auxiliary microphone, and the trackball that not many actually use. Screen and hardware RAM are probably a bigger deal though.
The EVO 4G is probably the only Android phone from HTC worth getting right now since it doesn't have the god-awful Pentile AMOLED display they use in the Nexus One, Incredible, and Desire.

friend'scatdied said:
No.
Especially to the state-of-the-art part. The HD2 has a better screen than the Nexus One. The HD2 has more hardware RAM than the Nexus One.
The choice is simply Android OS on the Nexus One vs. WinMo on the HD2. The Nexus One's only hardware advantage is the noise-cancellation via the auxiliary microphone, and the trackball that not many actually use. Screen and hardware RAM are probably a bigger deal though.
The EVO 4G is probably the only Android phone from HTC worth getting right now since it doesn't have the god-awful Pentile AMOLED display they use in the Nexus One, Incredible, and Desire.
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someone sounds bitter.
the screen is a matter of opinion, and it sounds like you've been reading too many tech blogs.
i've compared them both, and i prefer the screen on the Nexus, and so has everyone else that has compared their screen to the AMOLED display on the Nexus. (providing you keep it out of the sunlight)
both the Nexus and HD2 have 512MB of ram(yes, i'm aware the US HD2 has slightly more), and Android is far better with memory management then WM is anyway, so that's a non issue.
and i used my trackball all the time. and who can complain about an extra hardware feature? just dont use it if you don't want it. a legitimate complaint would be the capacitive buttons. those are a PITA until you get used to them.
to the OP, buy the phone you want. but if you liked the mytouch you will LOVE the Nexus. there is absolutely no comparison between the two.

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the screen is a matter of opinion, and it sounds like you've been reading too many tech blogs.
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screen size does matter!
i used sony x1 with 3" screen, then Acer neotouch with 3.8 screen, now hd2 with huge 4.3" screen! you can see the different! bigger is better! just try to upgrade your pc monitor to bigger size, and you will see alot more comfortable to the eyes!

crazy talk said:
someone sounds bitter.
the screen is a matter of opinion, and it sounds like you've been reading too many tech blogs.
i've compared them both, and i prefer the screen on the Nexus, and so has everyone else that has compared their screen to the AMOLED display on the Nexus. (providing you keep it out of the sunlight)
both the Nexus and HD2 have 512MB of ram(yes, i'm aware the US HD2 has slightly more), and Android is far better with memory management then WM is anyway, so that's a non issue.
and i used my trackball all the time. and who can complain about an extra hardware feature? just dont use it if you don't want it. a legitimate complaint would be the capacitive buttons. those are a PITA until you get used to them.
to the OP, buy the phone you want. but if you liked the mytouch you will LOVE the Nexus. there is absolutely no comparison between the two.
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All HD2s have 576MB of RAM, not 512MB. The only exception is the Prototype HTC HD2s (Pro.Three) which have 384MB of RAM or thereabouts.
The Nexus One's screen is inferior not only in terms of size but also in terms of color accuracy, sunlight legibility (as you mentioned), and effective resolution. It possesses higher contrast and is comparable in terms of viewing angles, battery life, and power consumption. Yes, I have also seen both devices -- I owned the Nexus One previously.
Also forgot to mention the Nexus One has a bigger battery, but I'm not sure you'd be able to tell with what I've seen.
Don't get me wrong, the Nexus One is a great device. But there is no excuse for arguing the fallacy that the Nexus One is superior hardware to the HD2 -- this is simply not the case. That is a matter of software alone.

Planning to buy a Captivate

I recently had an AT&T Tilt die on me. Fortunately, I had warranty on it, so AT&T sent me a refurbished Pure. Its awesome and all, but now I am eligible for an upgrade on one of my lines. So, I'm planning on getting the Captivate from Amazon for $99, and sell the month old refurbished Pure on ebay or something.
What do you guys think? Good idea to swap a Pure for a Captivate? And would I be able to get around $100-200 for the refurbished Pure on ebay?
What about features? I know the Captivate has Android. Is it as customizable as WinMo? Anything I should keep in mind before I take the plunge?
Thanks in advance.

I used to have a winmo phone a couple years ago, and I loved how customizable it was, but then I got the iphone because it was skinnier perfermed a lot nicer and had a lot more features.
now im going to be getting a captivate because it performs better than an iphone and just as much customization (or more) then winmo.

I had an original tilt (tynt2) up until the aria came out. I had been running an android rom on it for a few months and decided to switch. 30 days after getting my aria I returned it to Best Buy and got the captivate on release day.
I am loving the switch. My android fulfills the work, personal, and entertainment needs my winmo just couldn't get.
I will be checking out phone7 when it releases but I am not sure if I will be switching away from android. I suggest you go for it. Experience something new!

Selling rooted captivate or will trade for att banded nexus one, I don't care if its a step down. I miss trackballs, and fastboot.
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Interesting. Its nice to see different opinions. Keep them coming. I need all angles before I make my decision.

If you on at&t the captivate its the best option. The only drawback I find over the iPhone its the appstore. The 3rd party apps on the iPhone are just way more Polish.
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That's why i kept my AT&T branded Nexus One. I mean I love my Captivate, but it just isn't there yet like the Nexus One and plus the dev community behind the Nexus is second to none. It will get there, but for the time being the SIM card with my unlimited data plan and main number is in my Nexus One again, but i wont be getting rid of my Captivate either. I wish i could take the two phones and frankenstein me a nexus two. Nexus One body style with the 4" super AMOLED and MaxTouch sensor, 1 ghz hummingbird and PowerVR, and best of all Vanilla Android with Froyo. I guy can wish can't he. Until then i am happy with both just not ready to retire my loyal Nexus One, but i feel that when i do it will be for the Captivate. We just need the end of September to hurry and get here bringing us Froyo and we need Samsung to hurry with a GPS fix while the developer community grows.

I bought the captivate on release day. I have to say it's a great phone but it wasn't for me. There are a few issues with the phone that should be fixed by Samsung soon (major is just gps) but other than that its a good phone, it's more technical thats for sure. I had to return it for an iphone 4 instead, music is a big role that is a factor for me when i purchase a phone and although the stock player was ok it was nothing compared to iphone. Thats one thing no one can beat apple in...media. There is also a little bit of lag (launcher pro takes care most of it). If you buy it I would suggest you root it and make sure to back up the At&t apps...i forgot to do that lol, good thing best buy doesn't check

The only problems i have are some software issues that i assume samsung will fix - things that their skinning affected - like not being able to dial a number in a calendar invite. Not a show stopper, but an inconvenience.
As for customization - it is more customizable then WinMo mostly. WinMo was more wide open you copied files and futzed with the registry, nothing would stop you. Android, you have to root first - so an extra step. But compared to the iPhone much easier to customize. Rooting after an update is much easier then jailbreaking.
As far as other comparisons - I like the captivate better then my iPhone 3G, and passed on the iPhone 4. I think the media player in the captivate is superiour to the iphone - the interface is nicer, and easier and sound is just as good if not better then the iphone. More video and music formats are supported too, and even though the screen may not have the pixels of the iPhone 4 it is bigger and better looking. Blacks are black and that is what i wanted.
Android is not perfect, but it is catching up to the iPhone fast. iPhone has at least a year jump on Android, but I think the feature list will put Android on top soon.
I haved had phones of every OS, and Android is my favorite so far - the extent of the widgets is amazing.

I switched over from a BlackBerry Bold 9000, phone is night and day difference. The call quality is better, web browsing, youtube and the screen is awesome. The only downside I find with the Captivate is the lack of push e-mail scheme except with gmail but the plus side is no more truncation and actually get to see all of the html e-mails like looking at them through thunderbird. I will add that I love Android over Palm, BB and Windows Mobile, I have not owned the iPhone but I dont think I can because I prefer the 4 inch samoled screen.
HTH,
Charlie

You probably know already since you've been doing research, but the compass and GPS on the Captivate are totally busted at the moment. Otherwise, it's a fantastic handset, and as customizable as you could want.

I got the Captivate on release day, and previously used a Tilt.
The Tilt was running the stock WinMo ROM for most of it's life, but I got bored and flashed Polymod's 2.1 ROM to it at some point.
That's what made me get the Captivate.
The Captivate beats the Tilt and Pure in nearly every way possible. I don't think you'll regret the upgrade at all.
My only complaint is that the battery isn't the best on the Captivate, but it's not a big deal unless you go multiple days without access to a charger.
I say go for it.

Thanks for all your opinions, guys. Yeah, I've been doing a lot of research, and am disappointed that the GPS on this phone sucks. Its not a huge deal breaker, but something to think about nonetheless. By the way, is the GPS/compass totally busted or is so-so?
I'm looking forward to the switch to Android, because I'm a programmer by heart and like to tinker with my devices, so iOS is out of the question.

My compass is completely busted, but my GPS is fine if I'm outside. It just takes a while to get a lock. Others have reported GPS being way off.
Sent from my Samsung Captivate.

ashoooo said:
Thanks for all your opinions, guys. Yeah, I've been doing a lot of research, and am disappointed that the GPS on this phone sucks. Its not a huge deal breaker, but something to think about nonetheless. By the way, is the GPS/compass totally busted or is so-so?
I'm looking forward to the switch to Android, because I'm a programmer by heart and like to tinker with my devices, so iOS is out of the question.
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I've never had an issue with the compass unless it gets too close to a magnet. a few figure eights in the air resets it.
The GPS is a software issue, and will eventually be officially fixed. It also seems to be a hit and miss for some people that could be due to bad phone batches, times of day, location, or a million other variables. There are a few GPS fixes currently floating around that should improve any GPS issues at least marginally. they do not fix the underlying issues, but do help mitigate them.

Worth leaving the iPhone 4 for this phone?

Like it says and I am sure a million people have asked. I have done the research but now I am just looking for others opinions. Would you leave the iPhone 4 for this phone? I am seriously debating it because of the customization options. One thing I like about the iPhone is ease of use. What are your opinions?

I've had the Inspire for about a week now. I switched from the iPhone 4 for the same reasons you are thinking of. But now I'm seriously thinking of switching back. The Inspire is really cool but the battery life sucks and the ringer is barely audible for me. I work in a warehouse and it pretty loud in there but with my iPhone I had no problem hearing it. And it's aggravating to me to have to take my charger with me to work. I use my phone for about a hour and a half surfing the net through out my work night (breaks and lunch), and if I don't charge itwill almost be dead when I get home. On a good note the display is killer and you can customize it to fit your wants and needs. My favorite part of the phone is the weather annimation. My friend at work has the Evo and this was the closest thing to it that AT&T offers. If they could fix the battery and ringer on it it would deffinatly be a keeper for me. But that's just my 2 cents.

I left the iPhone 4 32gig for the inspire 4g. I haven't looked back. Messing around with an iPhone is like child's play compared to the inspire. (Speaking in terms of rooting vs jailbreaking)
I love this phone. Not to mention 4g.....

I left an iPhone4 for the HTC Inspire. The Inspire is on a another level, makes the iPhone look like a go phone. I am having problems with the "4G" in my area. Phone is switching back and forth between service and causing it to not work that well. If AT&T's 4G works well in your area, I say go for it! It takes a few days to get used to Android, but IMO it is superior.

MrEastwood2u said:
I've had the Inspire for about a week now. I switched from the iPhone 4 for the same reasons you are thinking of. But now I'm seriously thinking of switching back. The Inspire is really cool but the battery life sucks and the ringer is barely audible for me. I work in a warehouse and it pretty loud in there but with my iPhone I had no problem hearing it. And it's aggravating to me to have to take my charger with me to work. I use my phone for about a hour and a half surfing the net through out my work night (breaks and lunch), and if I don't charge itwill almost be dead when I get home. On a good note the display is killer and you can customize it to fit your wants and needs. My favorite part of the phone is the weather annimation. My friend at work has the Evo and this was the closest thing to it that AT&T offers. If they could fix the battery and ringer on it it would deffinatly be a keeper for me. But that's just my 2 cents.
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I agree inspire's battery sucks but for me it's OK. With average usage, I could get 12-15 hours per charge. On the other hand, I see people selling 1600mAh battery on ebay for like $11. Not sure if it helps?

I think it depends on what you want. I've been on iOS since the beginning, and I got to the point where I was bored with it. I like the Inspire because I can tinker with it and play with different things. The Sense really helps complete the package. Battery life is a big one. If you have access to power throughout the day, not a big deal. However, having to constantly worry about battery life sucks.
Other things I miss.
- Apps/games. So many more games out there for the iOS.
- Push notifications - Granted, I can use yahoo mail to get my push, but really, I wish there was a good email app for both gmail and yahoo where push would work correctly. Push for facebook. If you use facebook a lot, you'll miss the push notifications. Yes, there is flow and you can work around it, but it's not simple. And half the time, I can't access some pages in flow which directs me to the web version.
- In general, apps on both platform tend to be a little better on the iPhone. ex. Facebook - Can't tag friends in native app. Navigon GPS - Can't have the maps in storage. Yes, I know google maps is there, and it's nice, but it's not quite on the same level.
All in all though, I've already sold my iPhone 4. If the 5 makes some huge strides (and it has to be in the OS, not the hardware) I might switch back. As for now, I'm enjoying my Inspire and it's widgets and integration w/ google. I got an iPod touch for all my iOS games though

Thanks for the responses guys!!! I said the exact same thing to myself, I have my iPod touch for the games I will miss out on hahahaha!!!

Had the 3gs, iphone4 before this inspire. Never looked back. Im with you on the ease of use on the iphones, but because of that not much customization is available. Before my iphones, i had the touchpro, played around with roms and stuff but still not quite satisfied, then went on to apple. My inspire is not rooted/flashed but much more fun and intuitive then the iphones and the winmo. It should be a while before i decide to change again.
Good luck
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colbur87 said:
I left the iPhone 4 32gig for the inspire 4g. I haven't looked back. Messing around with an iPhone is like child's play compared to the inspire. (Speaking in terms of rooting vs jailbreaking)
I love this phone. Not to mention 4g.....
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This.
If you enjoy tinkering with your phone, you'll love the inspire/android.
and if you have an ipod touch, I don't see any reason not to switch anyway.

jerseykirby said:
Thanks for the responses guys!!! I said the exact same thing to myself, I have my iPod touch for the games I will miss out on hahahaha!!!
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Yup... I have iPod 3G to satisfy IOS needs while Inspire to satisfy Android needs

jerseykirby said:
Like it says and I am sure a million people have asked. I have done the research but now I am just looking for others opinions. Would you leave the iPhone 4 for this phone? I am seriously debating it because of the customization options. One thing I like about the iPhone is ease of use. What are your opinions?
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Me and my buddy both came from iPhone 4 to Inspire HD (After both buying the Atrix on release day and returning them).
My honest opinion is that I like things about both, I don't find either one a "clear" winner. However I am bored with iOS and Jailbreaking and it is a really nice change of scenary. Android is a lot more fun to play with. The phone itself is great.
With it rooted, overclocked, and rommed the phone runs blazing fast. The stock ringtones/notifications are too quiet but if you download some it can be plenty loud enough. Battery life is perfectly fine depending on the Rom and how you manage it. I have no problems making it through a day with the phone. (6am to 11+pm) but I have made a conscious effort to optimize for battery performance.
If you are going to get in to the root/rom side of things I think you will be very happy with the change.

The iphone 4 is predictable day in and day out.. you know every app works for it and the simplicity in the system is a major buying point..
with that being said.. i find it really boring. I went from the iphone 4 to the inspire 4g and even in its stock form, you cant help but be impressed with the HTC Sense system. For example, the integration of social network and daily agendas was nicely implemented in the form of widgets.
The real reason that i bought the inspire though was the ability to root the phone therefore customizing the phone to my needs, the iphone 4 jailbreak can do it but to a lesser degree. For instance, the battery on the rooted inspire can last a whole day of moderate; without me worrying about bringing a powermat portable charger.

jerseykirby said:
Thanks for the responses guys!!! I said the exact same thing to myself, I have my iPod touch for the games I will miss out on hahahaha!!!
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It's a no brainer if you have a Touch. To be honest, I'm still baffled by people who own both an iPhone and a Touch. My recommendation is to buy the Inspire off contract. Costs $400, the next iPhone will be double on eBay (I save my upgrades for this reason).
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I don't know about the iPhone 4, but last weekend I was showing off the Inspire to some friends who have 3 iPhones in their family and they were all drooling over my phone.
IMHO the only thing the iPhone 4 is better at is the camera.

Debating leaving Android for iPhone...

I was happy with my G1 back in October of 2008. It was great. Then, due to iPhone leapfrogging and hardware limitations of the G1, I needed a "better phone." Well, I got the first one that looked good on paper...The dreaded Samsung Vibrant.... the thing I HATED about it was the copycat look stolen from the iPhone, but, I put up with it. Then, right off the bat, I noticed that the gps didn't work. At all. I was lucky if it had me within a block of where I actually was. So, I thought it was Samsung. So I rooted and tried different ROMs. Still not happy with this glitchy, slow-ass phone.
Am I REALLY buying the marketing hype that the iPhone "just works???" I really like the Android system but am SO unhappy about the problems with the hardware etc. My wife and son ech have the HTC Sensation. Great phone but the battery? Please! Lasts 4 hours with decent use.
Here are my two problems with Apple:
1. Overpriced, and EVERYONE KNOWS IT. I have a problem with paying for a device that I KNOW has a HUGE markup in it. good for Apple, bad for consumer.
2. My wife, through her work has been given 2 Macbooks over the years. A white macbook about 12 years ago, and a macbook air a month ago. The original macbookHAD MORE PROBLEMS THAN ANY WINTEL SYSTEM I HAVE EVER HAD. So, we swore off Apple. Then comes the marketing hype. We actually bought into and believed (like the IT dept at her work this year) that the macbook Air was made by God hiimself. Like all apple products. The first week, it freezes up while she is making a powerpoint presentation. Totally frozen. Has to Hard restart. A week later, freezes up in WORD. Same thing, no soft reboot. Had to turn it off physically.
Anyway, I rant. So, on to my question -
SHOULD I STICK IT OUT AND WAIT FOR THE NEXUS PRIME OR GO IPHONE 5?
The Nexus Prime is going to be made by Samsung....
I am attaching a post I made earlier today on the tmobile forums regarding samsung just fyi.
"First there was the Behold fiasco. Then all the Samsung apologists said, oh, samsung has learned their lesson. REALLY.... I don't know who to blame and who to, therefore, quit... I THINK its Samsung. The phone (without rooting and installing modded ROMs) is a piece of iPhone knock-off crap. (I hate Touchpiss because, yes Apple you are right, it freaking looks like iOS). I bought the damn phone in July of 2010. We were promised a 2.2 update shortly. It was like 6 months later to finally get that pos.
Then we are told IN MARCH via samsung twitter etc. that 2.3 would be coming soon. (Yes, the Vibrant was mentioned specifically). Its been ANOTHER 6 months and NOTHING.
I AM DONE WITH SAMSUNG.
Please tell me if I'm wrong.
Tell me if Samsung has had the 2.3 update waiting for 6 months and it's "T-mobiles fault."
Tell me they have learned their lesson.
#neveragain"
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simple
just think what you can not do with AndroidOS that you can do with iOS and vice versa
if you find more + points on the iOS side, then by all means get an iphone / ipad

Droidicus said:
I was happy with my G1 back in October of 2008. It was great. Then, due to iPhone leapfrogging and hardware limitations of the G1, I needed a "better phone." Well, I got the first one that looked good on paper...The dreaded Samsung Vibrant.... the thing I HATED about it was the copycat look stolen from the iPhone, but, I put up with it. Then, right off the bat, I noticed that the gps didn't work. At all. I was lucky if it had me within a block of where I actually was. So, I thought it was Samsung. So I rooted and tried different ROMs. Still not happy with this glitchy, slow-ass phone.
Am I REALLY buying the marketing hype that the iPhone "just works???" I really like the Android system but am SO unhappy about the problems with the hardware etc. My wife and son ech have the HTC Sensation. Great phone but the battery? Please! Lasts 4 hours with decent use.
Here are my two problems with Apple:
1. Overpriced, and EVERYONE KNOWS IT. I have a problem with paying for a device that I KNOW has a HUGE markup in it. good for Apple, bad for consumer.
2. My wife, through her work has been given 2 Macbooks over the years. A white macbook about 12 years ago, and a macbook air a month ago. The original macbookHAD MORE PROBLEMS THAN ANY WINTEL SYSTEM I HAVE EVER HAD. So, we swore off Apple. Then comes the marketing hype. We actually bought into and believed (like the IT dept at her work this year) that the macbook Air was made by God hiimself. Like all apple products. The first week, it freezes up while she is making a powerpoint presentation. Totally frozen. Has to Hard restart. A week later, freezes up in WORD. Same thing, no soft reboot. Had to turn it off physically.
Anyway, I rant. So, on to my question -
SHOULD I STICK IT OUT AND WAIT FOR THE NEXUS PRIME OR GO IPHONE 5?
The Nexus Prime is going to be made by Samsung....
I am attaching a post I made earlier today on the tmobile forums regarding samsung just fyi.
"First there was the Behold fiasco. Then all the Samsung apologists said, oh, samsung has learned their lesson. REALLY.... I don't know who to blame and who to, therefore, quit... I THINK its Samsung. The phone (without rooting and installing modded ROMs) is a piece of iPhone knock-off crap. (I hate Touchpiss because, yes Apple you are right, it freaking looks like iOS). I bought the damn phone in July of 2010. We were promised a 2.2 update shortly. It was like 6 months later to finally get that pos.
Then we are told IN MARCH via samsung twitter etc. that 2.3 would be coming soon. (Yes, the Vibrant was mentioned specifically). Its been ANOTHER 6 months and NOTHING.
I AM DONE WITH SAMSUNG.
Please tell me if I'm wrong.
Tell me if Samsung has had the 2.3 update waiting for 6 months and it's "T-mobiles fault."
Tell me they have learned their lesson.
#neveragain"
Thanks for listening...
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It's even simpler. Be careful which Android phone you buy. The iPhone is excellent, but it isn't as perfect as it should be. And there are Android phones that are better than the iPhone. But you have to discover which ones. Usually buying your phones from a store with a good refund policy will help in discovering the good Androids from the bad.
For battery life, you cannot find anything better than the iPhone 4. For the iPhone 5, I don't know about the battery life. But it is assumed to be just as good. But iOS isn't as user friendly as Android. And you can...I know from experience...find Android phones just as pleasing and satisfying as any iPhone can be. And even more so.
I'd highly suggest the Nexus S or the next version of the Nexus. Or look at something from HTC, like the Sensation, if you're on T-Mobile, or the HTC Inspire if you're on AT&T.
My Samsung Infuse...a Galaxy S descendant...is quite outstanding. The GPS issues Sammy had with the Galaxy S phones is no more on their later phones.
If you want a work of art hardware wise and reliable and secure operation, get an iPhone. Just don't be surprised that you need to navigate through many menus to perform a simple function which, in Android, comes with the tap of a single button. And don't expect to do anything with an iPhone outside of using it's collected apps. There's no customization to speak of.

I personally have the Sensation and once it's rooted with a different rom battery life is much better and performance is X10 compared to stock. If you want a great performing phone with excellent battery life though look for an HTC phone with a second generation single core snapdragon processor. The Inspire 4G, G2 and the MyTouch 4G all fall into this category for AT&T/T-Mobile. Honestly the Inspire is one of the better built phones out there and this is coming from a tech that repairs phones all the time. Also not that the Inspire doesn't perform well out of the box, but running aosp android (cyanogenmod) from a phone with that kind of hardware makes for an awesome android experience. Only issue with this phone is no front facing camera which might not even be a big deal to you, I don't know.

Thanks for the input!
Quick side-note. Although official 2.3 has not dropped, the speed of CM7 on the vibrant took it to a whole different level. Amazing. But no source = issues like no GPS at all and poor battery life. Thus my HUGE disappointment with Samsung never giving us gingerbread.

Thoughts on Note 3 and iPhone 5

I have a Note 3 AND an iPhone 5. I've been using an iPhone since the first one was released. When I purchased the Note 3 a little over 2 weeks ago I regarded it as somewhat of an experiment. As a result my iPhone 5 was placed safely in a drawer. 2+ weeks on I still find myself taking the iPhone out to play around with it and asking myself which phone I want to stick with. I still don't have an answer.
Random thoughts after owning the Note 3 for 2+ weeks and the iPhone 5 for a year:
1. The iPhone 5 is undeniably slicker. Everything feels so much more like it is working in harmony and I rarely if ever experience any system slowdowns or crashes. Since using the Note 3 I've experienced crashes with a few apps.
2. The iPhone 5 is also undeniably easier to get in and out of just about any pocket. Sometimes when I take the Note 3 out I have to be conscious of which pants I put on as some pockets just aren't deep enough.
3. The accessory situation with the Note 3 is absolutely putrid! I've scoured my town and found so little it's shocking. Contrasting that with the iPhone 5 is absolutely a joke, there are accessories EVERYWHERE for the iPhone 5.
4. The build quality of the iPhone is sublime. It looks and feels like a fine piece of jewelery. The Note 3 is merely ok. The "chrome" band that wraps around the phone is of embarrassing quality when scrutinized. It looks ok from a distance but look at it closely and it's just not a smoothly finished piece of material. The home button on mine and every other one I have tried is loose. It works ok but I am constantly adjusting it to sit level. These issues do not portray what a $700 device should.
5. I was literally shocked when I took my iPhone out of its safe drawer storage location and a notification came in. It sounded so loud and crisp. In comparison the Note 3 speaker is so underwhelming. I can't understand who decided this was a good decision. My Galaxy Tab 1 speakers (admittedly 2 speakers in stereo) sound infinitely better and at least from the outside looking at them are basically the same size each. Couldn't they use 1 of these in the Note 3 for a dramatically improved sound experience? Money certainly can't be the reason on a flagship phone, bad mistake Samsung. I would have paid $705 instead of the $703 I did to get a decent speaker.
6. On the bright side the Note 3 screen is EPIC. Not only in size but in quality. I'm not stunned when I go back to the iPhone 5 that its screen is poor, hardly. But the size difference is impossible to ignore.
7. How can you ignore the Apple ecosystem? For every app I've tried on the Note 3, the iPhone version was better. It's hard to put a finger on why, but that is my perception.
8. IMO the Note 3 is a great device but it feels very thrown together from so many often unrelated parts. It's like a car made up of Porsche, Lexus, Audi, and Mercedes parts, and none of the companies ever talked to each other. The iPhone is exactly the opposite, it feels like a tightly integrated machine. Like a Lamborghini, period.
With all of this said, the Note 3 is outstanding and I can't imagine ever going back to a smaller device.

so your basically saying every negative thing about the note and praising the iphone 5 i would be suprised if this place doesn't turn into a flaming centre and you are saying that you still like it ?? it's like saying my wife is a ***** but i still love her

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so your basically saying every negative thing about the note and praising the iphone 5 i would be suprised if this place doesn't turn into a flaming centre and you are saying that you still like it ?? it's like saying my wife is a ***** but i still love her
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Yes I still like it, very much in fact. I'm just giving the perspective of someone who owns both. Yes I did point out every negative I have personally observed with the Note 3. But all of these negatives combined don't change the fact that the Note 3 is a terrific device. BTW I'm sorry your wife is a *****. :laugh:

You should consider getting iPhone 5s instead. It's clearly the better device for your needs.
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To OP..clearly u are not belong here..anyway enjoy ur iphn 5..or just upgrade it to iphn 5s..
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This is the problem with Samsung. Its a cheap asian knock off company and their quality is typically asian. Samsung phones are franken phones made up of what ever pieces they can find. They are not put together with care or thought. If it fits it will go in.... Apple designs their phones which is why it takes 24 months for a new design.
If Apple launched a 5 inch iphone id likely go back to Apple. I used to use all the android features and freedom but now i cant be bothered.
To be honest im getting tired of the Android ecosystem of manufacturers. Only Apple and Nokia know how to make a quality made device. Samsung have no idea, Their S3 was ugly and their nature theme was a puke inducing typical asian idea that the west just doesnt get. Now these whole notebook theme is another typical korean theme that they think is "cool" The problem is that Korea and China and the rest of Asia have no idea what "Cool" is or even what good design is.

Clearly an iphone lover looking to start up a flaming thread....

This is the problem with Samsung. Its a cheap asian knock off company and their quality is typically asian. Samsung phones are franken phones made up of what ever pieces they can find. They are not put together with care or thought. If it fits it will go in.... Apple designs their phones which is why it takes 24 months for a new design.
If Apple launched a 5 inch iphone id likely go back to Apple. I used to use all the android features and freedom but now i cant be bothered.
To be honest im getting tired of the Android ecosystem of manufacturers. Only Apple and Nokia know how to make a quality made device. Samsung have no idea, Their S3 was ugly and their nature theme was a puke inducing typical asian idea that the west just doesnt get. Now these whole notebook theme is another typical korean theme that they think is "cool" The problem is that Korea and China and the rest of Asia have no idea what "Cool" is or even what good design is. This is why they cant get enough of European brands and western luxury items.
Samsung have never made a cool phone ever. Never will either..

It's obvious that you purchased a device that you don't need . I don't think that a device sound be made of expensive materials here in Europe I can buy an original samsung back cover for my note 3 spending $3 I also can replace it's broken screen for 150$ try to do that with an iPhone so if can suggest something ...next time you gonna a buy a device just value your needs
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This is the problem with Samsung. Its a cheap asian knock off company and their quality is typically asian. Samsung phones are franken phones made up of what ever pieces they can find. They are not put together with care or thought. If it fits it will go in.... Apple designs their phones which is why it takes 24 months for a new design.
If Apple launched a 5 inch iphone id likely go back to Apple. I used to use all the android features and freedom but now i cant be bothered.
To be honest im getting tired of the Android ecosystem of manufacturers. Only Apple and Nokia know how to make a quality made device. Samsung have no idea, Their S3 was ugly and their nature theme was a puke inducing typical asian idea that the west just doesnt get. Now these whole notebook theme is another typical korean theme that they think is "cool" The problem is that Korea and China and the rest of Asia have no idea what "Cool" is or even what good design is.
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Maybe you should take a look at the HTC One mate. Best designed phone around I reckon. Truly beautiful.
As for the rest, stick with 5 or 5s. Both great phones and seemingly fit your needs better. Alternately I'd highly recommend the highly acclaimed HTC One if you want a bigger screen than Iphone but want a gorgeous aluninium device rather than the cheaper plastic design of Samsung.
And to all the anti-metal lot... no, not every plastic phone feels cheap. (5c and HTC One X, etc) Samsung are just lax and can't be bothered with design.

I'm 100% with you, iPhone is the best. Android is just another Symbian and/or Java. I buy android phones for 2 reasons, first for the big display and second to test the apps for free before I buy them for my iDevices. I gotta tell you though this is the first time I used a Samsung device and the display is awesome

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Maybe you should take a look at the HTC One mate. Best designed phone around I reckon. Truly beautiful.
As for the rest, stick with 5 or 5s. Both great phones and seemingly fit your needs better. Alternately I'd highly recommend the highly acclaimed HTC One if you want a bigger screen than Iphone but want a gorgeous aluninium device rather than the cheaper plastic design of Samsung.
And no, not every plastic phone feels cheap. (5c and HTC One X, etc)
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The HTC one is a nightmare. My friend had 5. The build issues are huge. Its a very nice phone and maybe next year if they make a follow up just as good as the one then i might jump. As long as they fix the dead pixels and poorly stuck down aluminium pieces. Slow charging and short battery life.
The Note 3 will have to do till next year. Im hoping things get better next year. Specs are now high enough for me not to care.. i want quality design and build now.

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1. The iPhone 5 is undeniably slicker. Everything feels so much more like it is working in harmony and I rarely if ever experience any system slowdowns or crashes. Since using the Note 3 I've experienced crashes with a few apps. Mac OS X runs lovely on a Mac, but you can still do more on a traditional PC, you can take full advantage of the entire provided hardware on the PC rather than on a Mac (overclocking, hotswapping of mods, hardware upgrades).
2. The iPhone 5 is also undeniably easier to get in and out of just about any pocket. Sometimes when I take the Note 3 out I have to be conscious of which pants I put on as some pockets just aren't deep enough. They are two different types of devices, one is a PHABLET, one is a PHONE.
3. The accessory situation with the Note 3 is absolutely putrid! I've scoured my town and found so little it's shocking. Contrasting that with the iPhone 5 is absolutely a joke, there are accessories EVERYWHERE for the iPhone 5. The Note 3 just came out, give it some time. Also the iPhone community is much bigger than the Note 3 community, because the iPhone has a tiny screen and most of the population have small hands and can't take the Note's big screen.
4. The build quality of the iPhone is sublime. It looks and feels like a fine piece of jewelery. The Note 3 is merely ok. The "chrome" band that wraps around the phone is of embarrassing quality when scrutinized. It looks ok from a distance but look at it closely and it's just not a smoothly finished piece of material. The home button on mine and every other one I have tried is loose. It works ok but I am constantly adjusting it to sit level. These issues do not portray what a $700 device should. An iPhone is so girly, in the sense that they live the life of a girl, they would sacrifice everything just to look good. What does the iPhone 5 have? 3GB RAM? Eight-cores/S800 Quad? S-Pen? Big screen? Big battery? LOL should I even continue? The Note 3 is already so good, and packs all this hardware into such a thin form factor.
5. I was literally shocked when I took my iPhone out of its safe drawer storage location and a notification came in. It sounded so loud and crisp. In comparison the Note 3 speaker is so underwhelming. I can't understand who decided this was a good decision. My Galaxy Tab 1 speakers (admittedly 2 speakers in stereo) sound infinitely better and at least from the outside looking at them are basically the same size each. Couldn't they use 1 of these in the Note 3 for a dramatically improved sound experience? Money certainly can't be the reason on a flagship phone, bad mistake Samsung. I would have paid $705 instead of the $703 I did to get a decent speaker. Well Samsung is notorious for speaker complaints, you don't really choose LG for waterproof devices, or Sony for the Nexus line, you know the rep of the phone you're buying, you're in for the problems. If you want a good phone with good speakers, try the HTC One with Beats (last model of phones to release with Beats on HTC).
6. On the bright side the Note 3 screen is EPIC. Not only in size but in quality. I'm not stunned when I go back to the iPhone 5 that its screen is poor, hardly. But the size difference is impossible to ignore. Both different kind of devices, screen size shouldn't matter, you can't compare an iPod Nano to an iPod touch, clearly there is no winner.
7. How can you ignore the Apple ecosystem? For every app I've tried on the Note 3, the iPhone version was better. It's hard to put a finger on why, but that is my perception. The App Store has been here and fully controlled by Apple ever since the 2.0 days. It obviously controls every aspect of every app, which limits developers to what Apple wants them to do. On Android, they could have been made by kids, grandmas or your mom, there's more freedom, but you can't complain because Google encourages more "free" apps to be developed to take advantage of the hardware.
8. IMO the Note 3 is a great device but it feels very thrown together from so many often unrelated parts. It's like a car made up of Porsche, Lexus, Audi, and Mercedes parts, and none of the companies ever talked to each other. The iPhone is exactly the opposite, it feels like a tightly integrated machine. Like a Lamborghini, period. An iPhone is like a Macbook, all software built for it's hardware. But an iPhone is so simple, and 'jailed' in a non-sandbox environment/containers that cannot essentially interact with each other nicely. What you get from an iPhone is if you want things to work, stay with the iPhone, you don't get more options than an Android, instead, you are running Touchwiz Home on Easy mode....more integrated machine? Well, as I said, Apple makes the software and hardware. Samsung, skins the original software from Google, creates the hardware, and also develops the drivers for each individual machine. This is why people mod cars, you can buy a closed system like Lamborghini or Porsche, keeping all their stock values and everything, limited from doing anything 'special'. One Android, you can essentially run Samsung/HTC/LG/Motorola specific apps on one device, and you can overclock it to make it faster too. You can't upgrade the graphics card in an iMac, but you can on a PC - means that when a new game comes out, the Android runs it better on a newer device by a different company the next week, rather than limiting down THE GAME to be able to run smoothly on an iPhone. People who think iPhone's are better, they're alright, because they DO NOT LIKE CHANGE, and they do not like to **** up or experiment hands on (no offence but it's true), and jailbreaking is just getting a skin + addons onto the device. On Android, you can run different platforms of OS'es, like Windows 95 (natively in VM) or Ubuntu 13 (as a complete OS install).
With all of this said, the Note 3 is outstanding and I can't imagine ever going back to a smaller device.
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Just my two cents. Not here to flame the Apple-loving crowd roaming around an open source OS development website.

I used an iPhone for 2 weeks last month, I didn't notice this "Apple ecosystem" people are so much talking about. LOL even Play Store is way better than Apple's App Store. Also, of course iPhone accessories will be everywhere because they make so much money from Apple users. When I went to buy a Note 3 they didn't even ask me if I wanted extended warranty or not, somebody was buying an iPhone right beside me and I couldn't believe how they sold extended warranty(not Apple Care), screen protector and a case. If somebody is buying an iPhone, they're probably very naive, so upselling is very easy lol On iOS you have to wait for those annoying animations to finish before the screen recognises your finger. If this is what you call "smooth/fast" no thank you I'm happy with my "laggy" Android
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Dreadful thread tbh

In regards to the HTC One, the earlier models may have had issues but from what I've seen the newer ones are fine.
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Also, someone who can see the benefits of both OS is not an "Apple fan"
I don't own any Apple products and I was using a more productive but horribly laggy windows mobile back when smartphones were not common. By the time the iphone came out you could see that it was aimed at the more casual market and it has since inproved significantly but Android will always be the one for tweaking and customizing. There was no denying though that even from day 1, iPhone was much smoother and a better user experience in comparison to windows mobile.
Some people couldn't care less about that though, and people shouldn't get so defensive if someone wants to compare this phone with the iPhone 5. I don't have a Note 3 and I'm still on 2, and I read this part of the forum for general feedback.
Some people need to get a life and realise its only a phone. People will have different needs! If you really can't bear to see a thread like this and feel is MUST be locked down, then you really need to reevaluate your lives.

fade2black101 said:
Also, someone who can see the benefits of both OS is not an "Apple fan"
I don't own any Apple products and I was using a more productive but horribly laggy windows mobile back when smartphones were not common. By the time the iphone came out you could see that it was aimed at the more casual market and it has since inproved significantly but Android will always be the one for tweaking and customizing. There was no denying though that even from day 1, iPhone was much smoother and a better user experience in comparison to windows mobile.
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Were you aiming this at me, calling him an Apple fan?
Well...I never said the word 'fan', but he has a Note 3 and an iPhone, but he's more towards an iPhone, as they are more...an 'iPhone person'.
Back in the day, Apple was the new thing, cool, fast and everything. But that is in the past. Imagine running Symbian on loads of devices today, I'd go no phone forever. Windows Mobile 6.5 and below....were so slow.....so Apple fixed that, but now Android adds upon what Apple does, and Samsung builds on Google, but since Samsung's shares are increasing, Apple sues Samsung for all they got, instead of innovating as what Steve Jobs and past partners would have done.

The OP has a point.
people are missing the big picture.
this is not the tipical apple /android flame thread , because this are not tipical times . The tides are changing
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the apple fans are here admitting the virtues off iphone but recognizing that note 3 is superior.
that post about asians suck at aesthetics .. oh man is so true! Note 3 wins .. but what is going on with the aesthetics? Its just screen basically. . Hard to miss .. and sometimes they do ( n 2 / s3 phones ugly as sin )
And android with TW is truly bad ! Thats why modding is good and we like . Those ex-apple-fanboys-still-think-they-are , probably run all stock.
Never owned an iphone , to me an iphone since day one, is a girl thing.

irzero said:
This is the problem with Samsung. Its a cheap asian knock off company and their quality is typically asian. Samsung phones are franken phones made up of what ever pieces they can find. They are not put together with care or thought. If it fits it will go in.... Apple designs their phones which is why it takes 24 months for a new design.
If Apple launched a 5 inch iphone id likely go back to Apple. I used to use all the android features and freedom but now i cant be bothered.
To be honest im getting tired of the Android ecosystem of manufacturers. Only Apple and Nokia know how to make a quality made device. Samsung have no idea, Their S3 was ugly and their nature theme was a puke inducing typical asian idea that the west just doesnt get. Now these whole notebook theme is another typical korean theme that they think is "cool" The problem is that Korea and China and the rest of Asia have no idea what "Cool" is or even what good design is. This is why they cant get enough of European brands and western luxury items.
Samsung have never made a cool phone ever. Never will either..
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Here, watch this video.
http://youtu.be/WxmD2xPBJ2w
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