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Shopping...so many choices. Please weigh in.

Back story - I have a HTC Fuze (Raphael) and it was my first advanced smart phone. Been on those little grey screen nokias until this phone. So I totally got into the whole fuss and fury of hacking the heck of phone. But as time has progressed it seem I may have gotten one of the worst HTC phones made. For a bit I even decided to dislike all HTC's on that basis alone. Anyway, I finally settled on just a basic ROM and a few addon's. The most important for this phone (and AT&T service) was the ability from Advanced Config to lock my phone to Edge. (Yep been on Edge now for 1.5yrs as 3G would never hold on this phone. )
This past weekend I was THIS close to putting this thing into a wall. I have rebooted at least 10 times in last week for lost TOWER (not just signal), non-responsive screen, and complete freezes.
Went window shopping today. Here are the results and hoping to get feedback of all kinds. (I need more than the sales person's comments...) Please talk about service and phone if you feel like.
HTC Aria (AT&T) - Small, well tiny actually. Almost as small a screen as my Fuze. It is Android so that is a plus as I think I am burnt on WinMo. Very nice screen and decent functionality [in store]. Heard a rumor about bad speakers on this.
iPhone 4 (AT&T) - I actually tried the 3G but hated it so much I returned it for the Fuze. This was before the OS release that allowed landscape keyboard and MMS. (No need for nekkid pics of GF to be on AT&T site and me not to be able to download.) The 4 looks interesting, but not sure I like the iPhone premise really. I do not want a zillion aps to waste time. I just need about 4...map/weather/....ok two I can think of... The screen is freeking incredible though and the sales guy was right, you can read a web page without zooming with the letters basically at a 2 font size...that is good.
HD2 (T-Mobile) - HUGE screen and this is one of my top request for next phone. I want lots of real estate. I am 6'1" 240lbs and a power lifter, I have thick fingers and a big head... Small phones are like me on a Vespa. The TMo version of this phone 'sounds' like it is very limited (according to threads here). Also heard stuff about that pink stripe in pics. I like that camera is 5megapixel but really want the pics to look ok. It is still a WinMo phone and that is a bummer, but not a deal killer I guess. (Is it 6.5 or 6.1? The ladies in store were clueless.)
Evo (Sprint) - Again with the giant screen, love it. This is the top of my list for phone choices at moment, but there is one non-phone related issue here. No international coverage for a CDMA phone and I tend to travel once in a while. (Have to find out if worth it to get a second pre-paid or whatever next time I travel.) The Evo is Android and I think it is time for me to try that out. The camera is EIGHT megapixels and I basically use my camera as a back up to my point and shot. Like for real...when on a motorcycle sometimes the camera is out of reach...the phone substitutes when I am not ready to park and dig in saddle bags. 4G is not really a yes/no for me as I probably won't have it in my neighborhood and will most likely go to 3G for most of my use of phone (Dude in store said you can set phone to not use 4G.)
So my wish list is....big screen, good software, great camera, good reception, decent costs. Weighed in that order for me.
Thoughts? Help a confused shopper out.
(ps...I am just guessing this a good forum for this post. Mods let me now if it needs moved.)

Has to be HD2 great pice of kit yes its 6.5 and there are a lot of good roms in the hd2 thread that get the best out of the device IMO

Evo4 and HD2 are basically the same phone with different radio chips. Only issue I have with the Evo is the battery life is supposed to be rated in minutes not hours. LOL being a little sarcastic but I heard its not good at all. I personally think the tmo HD2 is better then the unlock int version. Has more memory and says tmobile on it and all. By far my vote is the HD2. Plays any video I download on the internet thats under 2GB with sound in sync and no dropped frames, touch screen rivals the iphone, they just cracked the linux kernal for it so we should see a usable port of android within months. Plus I'm not sold on winmo7. I think like XP we may see cooked roms taking peices of WINMO7 and cooking them into 6.5. But anyways think back with Winmo first came out and how buggy it was. If WM7 is a true rebuild then all our cool players, and mods won't work on it so even if WM7 comes out in Oct 10 I could see holding off till 2012 to make the switch. At least till the software catches up. I think when WM7 comes out your going to find were actually quite spoiled when it comes to apps and phone stuff. Also I signed up for Tmobile Flex pay plan with 500 daytime minutes, unlimited TXT and unlimited data for $68 total tax included. Service has been great! Faster then Verizon and ATT but doesn't tower hop as well. Occasionally I will run through my buffer before the next tower really takes over. This just results in 5 seconds of silence or blacked out video ,then it comes back.

Ok, so two votes for the HD2. Wanna hear the emotional/silly arguement I am having with self...HD2 already old tech.
Yep, do I want to miss out on 1ghz and 8 megapixels....grrr.

Done....money laid down...sexiest phone I have had is now mine. I couldn't decide. I was even thinking about waiting for the new Samsung or Droid X.
I let fate decided. First one avail I was taking.
I know have the Evo!!!!
All I can say...(and I have)...is Giggidy giggidy!!!

3 votes for Leo
Leo is a great device, super screen and fast enough to run smoothly WM6.5.3
I am sure Chefs and Devs @XDA will manage some how to port WP7 on it

For what its worth I heard the Evo4 is BA! Only gripe I've heard is battery life and this can be minimized by settings and an extended pack. You'll enjoy it. Hell its the same phone as the HD2 but different radio.

Go with the Samsung Galaxy S on T-Mobile.
Leaked pictures have shown that it will be sold at retail for 329.99 USD.
Super AMOLED + a kickass GPU that blows (currently) the GPU used in the iPad and the iPhone4.
With the 1 Ghz hummingbird chip currently besting the Snapdragon (until Qualcomm releases their dual-core update later this year through Project Emerald?), it is the best bang for your buck money can buy right now.
However, the HD2 has the sexiest shell-design you'll ever see in a phone. The Galaxy S will feel a little plasticky and cheap compared to the HD2. Even the EVO looks subpar against the HD2. That's how much love we're talking here with regards to the HD2's shell design.

i wish i had the freedom to change networks whenever i wanted, the evo looks like a beast of a phone and the epic 4g looks pretty sweet as well.

Is anyone jumping ship to the Dell Streak?

The past few months I've fallen in love with the Dell Streak but it's release kept on getting pushed back. I bought the Captivate on a whim because I got bored with the 3Gs (owned all iPhones but not the i4). Hopefully AT&T will have some in stores before my return window ends for the Captivate. The Captivate does have better hardware all around, minus the camera flash and front cam, but the Streak's 5 inch screen is my main attraction to it. I need some hands on time with it

Don't want to sound harsh, but I came in here to research and discuss Samnsung Captivate.

Sorry bud I thought this was a Captivate forum? 5 inch LCD got nothing on a 4 inch Super AMOLED.
Besides 5 inch is too clumpsy to hold. 4 inch is the PERFECT size to fit on your hand.

Holy **** this is dumb, where else should I post this? Streak General, maybe, but I'm highlighting the positives of the Captivate as well.

The streak has a SMALLER battery(relative) and a screen thats some 20% bigger or so. Even though the captivate supposedly has the best battery of any smartphone on the market, I still feel it dies way too fast.
If for nothing else, you can't friggin use these phones for long. At least the captivate tries to be super batt efficient. Froyo did wonders for the Evo, lets hope it does the same for the captivate...
Oh ya, and who knows if the streak will ever get froyo

I've owned every iPhone since the first (even the i4 for 3 weeks) and tried out the Evo 4g for a month and absolutely loved Android. Returned the Evo within the 30 days and bought the captivate. While it does have its bugs (lag and GPS), it still is a great phone. Out of the box, I don't think it would be noob-friendly like the iPhones are, because you really have to tinker around to get it working up to speed.
Now the Dell streak, WOULD be great if it came out in time. But now, the hardware AND software is dated. 2.1 was leaked for it, but that may be the last official software update Dell may release for it. The community behind the Streak may be lacking because its only coming out (so far) on AT&T, while the Samsung Galaxy S phones is a literally a worldwide release. Therefore, the hacking community may be slim - thats one reason why I love the Galaxy S, it really has great support from the community and even Samsung is listening to the people now.
Streak:
+ Large screen, great for viewing web, movies, etc
+ Aesthetically looks great (it looks like a larger version of the Captivate)
+ The GPS probably works
- Too large to comfortably hold with one hand or use for calling
- Compared to SGS, slower CPU and GPU
- Screen pales in comparison to Super AMOLED and Retinal Display
- 1.6 Stock loaded, 2.1 beta leaked, but no official release date
- Dell Android UI = UGLY
So, no, I wont be jumping ship, but I do want to play with it. ATT store did not have any in yesterday

Well put, Andy. I was once extremely interested in the Streak too. Now it is second fiddles to the GS, DROID X, and Droid Incredible.
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mark-hudy said:
Don't want to sound harsh, but I came in here to research and discuss Samnsung Captivate.
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The op is discussing the captivate. Whether to keep it or not. Why not go post something like this in one of the ip4 vs cap threads and see how far that gets you? Ease up man.
To the op, I'm getting the captivate for the same reason I got the fuze, lots people in the community. The phone is sold worldwide. Itss the first high end android phone on ma bell, one of the best harware wise period. Keep the beast.
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I think it's a valid question and this is the right forum for it.
I won't be switching to the streak. I like the galaxy screen too much to switch to the streak. Also,i feel that a five inch screen is really stretching that wvga resolution too far. I read the streak is also shipping with android 1.6. That is a deal breaker and a half for me.

I have owned almost every current android. While each is unique my experience summed up goes like this. N1: too many screen problems, early updates, small app storage. Droid: the phone that started it all. Eris: junk, Droid Incredible: great phone great II decent app storage, gaming capabilities lower due to snapdragon. Droid X: great overall, great build quality, great amount of app storage(8gb), decongestant most powerful phone made CPu,GPU wise, awesome screen. Gets better with use. Samsung galaxy S: overall most powerful android phone available, great foe gaming, unfortunately not on Verizon yet, fantastic screen. By the time u are able to get the streak it will b way outdated with crap II. Stick with what u got. Motor will b bringing a new phone with OMAP 4 to Verizon this fall it will be the only thing that will compare to SGS power user wise. Well that's a short synopsis of my experience.
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I too thought the Streak was interesting - 9 months ago. Now it is dated. As mentioned already, it is to big to be hand held phone, it is sold at full price but locked to AT&T, and the hardware and shipping OS are old.
If I want a phone that is to big to use as a phone, then I will get a tablet with 3G, and wear a BT headset all the time.
Oh, and rumor is that Samsung will be showing off some new tablets in the upcoming weeks.

I totally forgot about the community aspect between the streak and captivate. I already put the JM5 EURO GS on my captivate and there's many more projects GS users are working on. You can just take a look at ask the activity on the I9000, vibrant and captivate forums VS the streak's.
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I own both the Captivate and Streak. Streak is great for real estate space but not so great as a phone. I use the Streak now as a replacement for my archos 5 for surfing on the couch or bed. The Captivate is the day to day phone.

I think I'm going to get the Streak in a couple months and have both my Captivate and the Streak. Had the Streak come out a month or so ago, I would have had one. It seriously takes this long to release basically the same phone across the pond? I could even see if they'd updated to 2.2 in that time, but its still running 1.6. And that makes me wonder if and when they will update to Gingerbread. At least with the Captivate I know Samsung will get me to 2.2 in a timely manner.
The only reason I'm still even considering trading is because of the pentile screen on the SGS, BUT the pixel density on the Streak sucks anyway, so *shrug*.

Just to let you know, there are multiple websites posting that Dell is going to be shipping the Streak with Froyo instead of 1.6. I haven't seen any updated benchmarks, but I am sure they'll be around what the Nexus One can get.

NikAmi said:
Just to let you know, there are multiple websites posting that Dell is going to be shipping the Streak with Froyo instead of 1.6. I haven't seen any updated benchmarks, but I am sure they'll be around what the Nexus One can get.
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no, it still ships with 1.6 and froyo is only RUMORED to be released by Dell (and skipping Eclair), but at an unknown date - could be months off.

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Enough said.

I love my Captivate, I looked at the I Phone4 they were side by side at the AT&T atore and held it played around a bit on it but I was already sold on the Captivate, I researched it for a while. It isn't Noob friendly, electronics no longer come with a user manual worth a dime but once I downloaded the pdf I played with it night and day. I lurked on Android Forums, and here to learn as much as I could. I love playing with gadgets that are pretty much idiot pfoof and I think the Samsug pretty much is. I've only had it 3 weeks and I have it tweaked to my liking for now. All the AT&T crapware is off of it as well as some other bugs that are also gone thanks to BuglessPete's Unleash the Beast Rom/Tool. I wouldn't by Dell no way, imo, they make an inferior product these days. I would feel uncomfortable with a 5" screen, the I4 is too small and this Samsung is the perfect size. Plus, the Hummingbird processor is lightning fast and there is so much available as far as tweaks go in these forums this phone will be quite fun to mess around with for quite some time.

The big screen is nice I guess (too big imho), but Dell clearly does not seem to be pulling out their A-game for this phone, so even if I needed/wanted a phone with that much real estate it'd be an awfully tough sell.

Do not buy:
- has 30fps cap issue like the evo
- very low benchmark scores.
- android 1.6 with slow updates.
- little to no dev support.
Dell made so many mistakes with the device launch it is just sad.

[POLL] Will this be your last Samsung phone?

I am done with Samsung after this. This is the second Samsung smartphone that I have owned where after sale support is HORRIBLE.
I was wondering how many people feel the same way.
Is the Captivate your last Samsung phone?

Most likely the last. If it weren't for the screen and snappiness after the lag-fix, it would probably have been returned by now. After the lag-fix I'm fairly impressed with the speed of the device, just wish the blasted GPS would work like it does for iPhone, HTC and Motorola users. I feel cheated. Downloading new apps from Marketplace is another point of weakness for those of us in the land where 3G is nothing but a dream. There is a problem downloading apps on the Edge network, sometimes they start downloading right away and other times you got to walk away from the phone for a few hours and it'll download when it feels like it.
My wife has the Rugby II from Samsung and I'll be darned if that thing won't last for days without a battery charge. Amazing how long it manages to live without a battery recharge.

Abso-freaking-lutely
I thought samsung had gotten serious when it said it wanted to be the #1 smartphone manufacturer and they promised a strong commitment to software updates since they knew that their name was garbage in this arena. Well I bought a Captivate on release day and its been nothing but trouble ever since. Random reboots, GPS that's non-functional, etc. Then finally 2 months later they release a supposed GPS fix, that 90% of the people cant even install on their phones and it doesnt even fix the GPS, mine works worse now than before. And on top of all that now my digital compass is unusable, it always points 90-180 degrees in the wrong direction. On maps its funny, I'm driving one direction and it points behind me or perpendicular to me. And dont even get me started on the completely pathetic battery life. 12 hours on one charge is completely unacceptable. Iphone4's that are using the same CPU/GPU get days on their batteries. The S-AMOLED screen looks pretty good (not as good as the retina display, but better than just about anything else) but it is a total battery hog.
I REALLY, REALLY, REALLY wish I had just gotten the iphone4, its so much better, its not even close.

argolfermd said:
I am done with Samsung after this. This is the second Samsung smartphone that I have owned where after sale support is HORRIBLE.
I was wondering how many people feel the same way.
Is the Captivate your last Samsung phone?
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This is my second samsung phone in 10+ years and my first smartphone from them
I'm actually complete opposite from you maybe because i haven't had any issues outside of the GPS and i'm more than willing to give them a chance to fix it. It's not like i'm using the GPS all the time for the fact that i live in nyc

If they can't fix the GPS to work like it should (like on the Nexus One, Droid, etc), then yes, this will probably be my last Samsung phone. They've screwed people over with the Behold too (atleast I think that was the phone).
HTC isn't known for great reception, but I loved my Nexus One and wish I wouldn't have sold it now.

Hardly. I've gone from an old Sammy flip phone, to the Blackjack, to the Jack, to the Captivate. Whole family is on Samsung's now, Flight, Impression, can't think of my daughter's at the moment. Love Samsungs!
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No, but only because of xda
If I had to rely on Samsung for support, then I would have voted yes. The JH7 update has been a fiasco. Without this forum and the dedicated work of designgears and clockworkmod, my phone would still be in an unstable state from the failed (at 100%!) installation. I'll be sending both of those guys some money to pay for the great support -- it's unfortunate that companies like Samsung and AT&T don't have a clue and can't provide the same level of service. Keep in mind that Samsung has full access to every detail of the hardware and software while our guys have done everything through reverse engineering. Incredible job!

Hurricane Andrew said:
Hardly. I've gone from an old Sammy flip phone, to the Blackjack, to the Jack, to the Captivate. Whole family is on Samsung's now, Flight, Impression, can't think of my daughter's at the moment. Love Samsungs!
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I never used a samsung smartphone before this one, but when I had regular flip phones, I wouldnt use anything other than a samsung, I loved them. Everytime Sprint came out with the newest samsung flip phone I'd run to get it, they are just excellent phones. Everytime I strayed from samsung to try a razr or LG, etc I always regretted it within a week and went right back to samsung. But I am utterly disappointed in this captivate. I am kicking myself everyday for not returning it within the 30 days to get an iphone. I kept holding out hope for fixes for most of its shortfalls and everyone keeps saying how open android is, well so far nothing. No fully functioning custom ROMs, no cyanogen, no AOSP, and you have to root and hack like hell to get any customization at all. Its no more open than the iOS, on that you have to jailbreak but then you can go to Cydia and there are thousands and thousands of apps and customizations you can load.

jason531 said:
If I had to rely on Samsung for support, then I would have voted yes. The JH7 update has been a fiasco. Without this forum and the dedicated work of designgears and clockworkmod, my phone would still be in an unstable state from the failed (at 100%!) installation. I'll be sending both of those guys some money to pay for the great support -- it's unfortunate that companies like Samsung and AT&T don't have a clue and can't provide the same level of service. Keep in mind that Samsung has full access to every detail of the hardware and software while our guys have done everything through reverse engineering. Incredible job!
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Exactly! POTD!

I love my Captivate, but only because it isn't stock. If I had to keep my phone stock, I think my satisfaction levels would go way down.
DKirk said:
My wife has the Rugby II from Samsung and I'll be darned if that thing won't last for days without a battery charge. Amazing how long it manages to live without a battery recharge.
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You do realize you're comparing a messaging phone to a smartphone right? No smartphone will consistently give you that kind of battery life with any kind of use.

Great Tech, GPS is ok at best./......my first android device, and i like it a lot.

I really like this phone, but if Samsung doesn't fix the GPS for current Captivate owners, I will never buy another Samsung product.
And, either way, I won't go with AT&T again either.

I had the iphone 3g, 3gs, and the iphone 4 for a few weeks. I also had a nexus one for a while. All great phones, all great GPS accuracy. I left my iphone 3gs for my Nexus One because of the voice to text, and the google navigation. The iphone 4 dropped almost all my calls. It went back fast. I went with the Samsung Captivate because it trumped my Nexus in a lot of ways. I did not expect this GPS issue when I purchased it. By the time Samsung had announced that the GPS issue was indeed an issue, I had already returned mine 3 times because the GPS would not lock. They announced a fix sometime soon in the future, so I stuck with it. I would gladly go with another android device if it was available for AT&T and was comparable to my Captivate. The only other device close is the Sony Ericsson X10. I am not going back to 1.6 and no multitouch.
Unfortunately this is the best Android that will work with AT&T's 3g network at the moment. Samsung built an awesome device, they just need to fix the GPS.

Yup, this is going to be my last Samsung phone.
Samsung is just too incompetent.

I had an HTC before this and it wasn't perfect and there were many vocal members that thought negatively about it. My fiance has an iPhone and is always complaining about it. When I look at Motorola threads I see lots of complaints.
I'm seeing a pattern here. No phone is perfect.
This is the best phone I've played with though. I rarely use GPS so that obviously doesn't affect my like/dislike of the phone. And from what I can tell most people are angry because of the GPS.
I can't honestly understand what the big deal is with GPS. Do people get lost that easily that they need to be looking at a GPS map every minute of the day? I'm sure for some jobs it could be a mandatory thing, but I'm just a little mystified at how many people are upset about GPS like their lives depend on it every day or something. Maybe I'm just lucky that I don't get lost easily, or can follow directions from mapquest?
I'm not trying to insult people with GPS issues, I just truly don't understand how so many people think the GPS issue is a deal breaker. Especially considering it will almost surely be fixed sooner rather than later.
And if people are upset about the update from Samsung not working... patience? I mean you're on the XDA forums posting, so you must have some experience here and know that when there's a problem with smartphones it gets fixed pretty quickly by the community you're a part of. So what's the rush to condemn Samsung for a buggy patch that'll probably be re-written soon anyhow?

This is my first Samsung phone. So far I'm pretty impressed. I had Apple 3G, RIM Blackberry Perl, Motorola Razor, Sony Erickson (forgot the model #) ect... So I had tried so many different brand in my years owning regular cellphones and smartphones. But so far, Samsung Captivate is the best among them all.
If Samsung would come out with a dual core or three core cpu, 4 to 5 inch monitor, front facing camera and 1080p video recording smartphone next year, I'll definitely get it...
I kind of knew that all OTA firmware updates from all major cellphone manufactures will have some kind of issues. That's why in the future, I will download the firmware and install the updates manually.

I agree with sschrupp. Ignoring the GPS issue, I've had no problems with this phone. I had iPhone before this, and I liked it, but not as much as I like this phone. Android satisfies the need to tinker and tweak (thank you XDA). The hardware is pretty darn good too. I get good reception here in the boonies of Kansas, the screen is gorgeous. ignoring GPS issues, I really like this phone.

sschrupp said:
I had an HTC before this and it wasn't perfect and there were many vocal members that thought negatively about it. My fiance has an iPhone and is always complaining about it. When I look at Motorola threads I see lots of complaints.
I'm seeing a pattern here. No phone is perfect.
This is the best phone I've played with though. I rarely use GPS so that obviously doesn't affect my like/dislike of the phone. And from what I can tell most people are angry because of the GPS.
I can't honestly understand what the big deal is with GPS. Do people get lost that easily that they need to be looking at a GPS map every minute of the day? I'm sure for some jobs it could be a mandatory thing, but I'm just a little mystified at how many people are upset about GPS like their lives depend on it every day or something. Maybe I'm just lucky that I don't get lost easily, or can follow directions from mapquest?
I'm not trying to insult people with GPS issues, I just truly don't understand how so many people think the GPS issue is a deal breaker. Especially considering it will almost surely be fixed sooner rather than later.
And if people are upset about the update from Samsung not working... patience? I mean you're on the XDA forums posting, so you must have some experience here and know that when there's a problem with smartphones it gets fixed pretty quickly by the community you're a part of. So what's the rush to condemn Samsung for a buggy patch that'll probably be re-written soon anyhow?
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I agreed with you. No cellphone is perfect, especially when they are made in China or other asian places... they bound to have some kind of defect or it will not last more than one year...

Wow you guys are crazy
This phone has been great, the best I have owned in years.
So the OTA update didnt work for you because you modified your phone from the original state? Boo Hoo. You cant expect a patch to work for your modified rom when it was designed for stock

yes If i can find a nexus one under 400 bucks this thing is gone tonight. i could care less about GPS since (call me old fashioned) i just look at what street to take but the fact that i have to wait until october for froyo id rather deal with edge on at&t then eclair and no CM

[Q] Droid charge, iphone 4 or wait?

I just became elegible to upgrade my phone, I keep hearing things that vz is gonna switch to tiered pricing and would prefer to get locked in before they change things. Really split between those 3 choices, get a charge with it's amazing amoled screen thats larger and customization of android, or go with iphone 4 with it's higher pixel density, built quality and pretty good camera detail, I can always wait for the apple event on the june 6th-10th and risk being closer to tiered pricing.
I looked at dx 2 but I just couldn't get into the whole pentile screen, it just wasn't right for my taste even with a higher resolution.

Get the charge. You can always sell it on craigslist for an iphone 4. Besides iphone sucks lol
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I've used every single iPhone every year since Apple initially release it. It wasn't until last summer (2010) that I got on Android. At first I didn't like it; i thought it was pretty complicated, confusing, and too frustrating to use. I didn't like Android 1.8 that was pushed onto the HTC Hero as well. So I went back to iPhone. A week later, I got the HTC Evo 4G. I started to like Android a bit more, but still used iPhone 4 as my "daily beater," if you know what i mean.
Long story short, I LOVE android now. I never want to use another POS iOS software device again. Android is the way to go, buddy.

Z51 said:
Get the charge. You can always sell it on craigslist for an iphone 4. Besides iphone sucks lol
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Question: If you buy the Charge on contract, and let's say in 6 months you want something else, you can't sell it because it's ESN will still be tied to your account till the contract is up, correct?

ChaOConnor said:
Question: If you buy the Charge on contract, and let's say in 6 months you want something else, you can't sell it because it's ESN will still be tied to your account till the contract is up, correct?
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It's tied to your account until you want to change it, but it requires little to no effort. You can either change either online through the verizonwireless.com portal or by calling customer service.
Once you have changed the ESN/IMEI tied to your account to your new phone, you can do whatever you want with the old phone as it is no longer tied to your account.

There is absolutely no comparison between these two phones. The charge does everything better except iTunes and battery life. Faster phone and way faster network = no comparison.

I What?
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Syn Ack said:
There is absolutely no comparison between these two phones. The charge does everything better except iTunes and battery life. Faster phone and way faster network = no comparison.
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Well, out of the box, the Charge lags quite a bit. In fact, it's almost to the point where it is unbearable. But the Debloated ED2 solved that problem. There is ZERO lag now.

Android is a hobby, not just a phone, and once you start playing with it, you'll be hooked. iPhone is pretty much a phone for simpletons who just want a smartphone.
The Charge is similar to the iPhone in some minute ways, probably the closest thing to an iPhone on the Android OS. Im trying to sell my iPhone for Verizon now because I just like Android better.
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im considering going back to my iphone 4, switching back n forth between the charge and thunderbolt right now .... as someone said, there can be quite a bit of lag with the charge, try adding a widget to your homescreen, takes a really long time to load the menu of choices ... i actually like using the tb more than the charge but can't read the screen very well in sunlight, so i use the charge more...
as for the iphone 4, most of the apps are done better than the android version, no idea why but that's the way it looks to me.... a minus for the iphone 4 is lack of voice integration, sometimes i'm too lazy to type a txt msg, so i just speak it when i'm using an android phone... it can be done on iphone 4 but you have to use 2 programs, just a pain in the ass ...
also, i don't have great eyesight anymore so it's hard to read the fonts on the iphone 4 at times, on my charge i've installed bigger system fonts so i can read pretty much everything without wearing glasses
oh yeah, games run better on iphone 4 than the charge... could be because of the smaller screen on the iphone, angry birds seasons can really lag on my charge..
another plus for android is the 'integration' of things like pics... there is an option to share with many different social networks, email, txt, etc... can be done on the iphone but usually have to use a different program....
all in all, it's a tough choice.... the iphone is really easy to use, has some great apps, and is stable for the most part..
the charge has a really nice screen, not the resolution of the iphone, but still looks great ...
too many choices, lol, hope this helps some.

Yea, what everyone else said in comparison between iPhone and Android OS/Charge is spot on.
If you're not ready to settle for a Charge and a bit unwilling to go back to iPhone/iOS, then you can definitely wait for the SGS2. I picked one up from the grey market (expansys) and I am loving it. Definitely one of the best phones i've ever used.

I would love to get a galaxy 2 but I don't think its even mentioned to coming to vz, I would prefer to stay with vz, been with them for years and am content with the service.
It's like having to choose from vanilla and chocolate but preferring strawberry.
Only concern with going with iphone is I might get renewed in a 3g data and not be allowed to switch to a 4g device without going for the new tiered pricing if thats what they have if I want to sell and change the phone. There's also low quality on youtube video unless I go wifi and it would be more complicated getting my own ringtones in it. Then again the iphone 4 is well built, reliable and stupid proof. Might be harder to unbrick an iphone 4.

You'll only receive biased answers asking this sort of question here - especially given your posting in the Charge sub-forum.
Having owned both the iPhone4 and Charge, I can say they are both great devices. The answer really depends on what you want to get out of your phone. The iPhone has far superior battery life, itunes syncing keepings things simple, the browser is far superior to any Android browser, and overall - the phone just works.
With that said, Android/Charge is the better option in my opinion. I love LTE, much prefer the 4.3" SAMOLED screen, and love that I can easily swap things like keyboards, themes, fonts, etc. I also like how google does not try to tell you what you want, much like Apple does.

If you want to lock in unlimited data, why would you lock in unlimited 3G data? The only phones on your list right now to lock in unlimited data should be Thunderbolt, Revolution, and Charge, and I'd say that the Charge is by far the best of the 3.

ellover009 said:
I would love to get a galaxy 2 but I don't think its even mentioned to coming to vz, I would prefer to stay with vz, been with them for years and am content with the service.
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It seems like it's coming to Verizon under the moniker Function.

PeterDLai said:
It seems like it's coming to Verizon under the moniker Function.
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The question is when will it come out? I feel like it's coming out later rather than sooner.

Iphone has great build quality.... but that's it
Apple blows. Get the charge
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Anyone played with some nes, snes, and psx emulators on the charge? Can it keep up? Is it true you can use Bluetooth gamepads with android phones and any recommendation on a pad? I played with the xperia phone but was not impressed with the screen.

I got my charge this Sunday. I totally love this thing so far, it's not perfect but I am pretty happy with it. I am coming from a touch pro 2 phone. Only thing I miss from the tp2 is that speaker phone was quite a bit louder, and even output volume through usb jack to cassette deck adapter is not as loud as the tp2.
There's some trade off and most are positive. it's a little wider but it's thinner and a lot lighter, I definitely do not miss the extra weight associated with the tp2 and it's keyboard. Screen is responsive, I have not encountered any slowdown with the exception of flash heavy sites. But then again I am not running too much unnecessary junk on the phone.
Battery is usually 2/3 by the time I get back home or 6/7th if I don't use it much. I ended up getting the dock and it's nice, you can charge the phone and at same time an additional battery in a special compartment, don't even need to charge phone. Low battery, please, I just pull one outta the charger pop it in and put the depleted cell in there.
I wish I could force the camera to orientate itself to portrait instead of assuming your taking landscape pictures.
Programs I loaded so far are Google maps., Beautiful widgets, angry bird rio, psx4droid (got lunar 2, ff7 and crash bandicoot warped working), unEcm and linda manager (lets me browse files).
I still got some work to do, I have avoided getting the ed2 update because it intrudes with rooting. I've been content with the phone so far so I don't know if I will bother rooting and doing some mumbo jumbo with some voodoo kernel thing. ( I'm still new to the lingo, supposedly it helps make the phone faster).
Upgrades I am thinking of doing is maybe flipping my memory card and putting the difference towards a class 10 card, I ordered some phantomskin screen protector, meanwhile I got the anti glare one from vz the day I got it but I think it just makes it glitter a bit.
Rooting and the kernel thing are still under question.
I love the contrast.

I am now becoming a full Samsung Douche Bag!!!

Fanboy, fanatic, fruitcake....I like to call it BRAND LOYAL!!! OK?
I sell Verizon phones for a living because I fell in love with Samsung's Galaxy Indulge.
A lot of people, including most of my co-workers, hate on Samsung. Why?...cause they're retarded. Motorola phones are boring and HTC's screen are kinda bland and I (for some reason) have trouble remembering how to get around in one when it comes time to help a customer with a problem. (the Incredible 2 is kinda nice though...aaand the Droid 3 is pretty good)
Now I had Launcher Pro and every which ROM from Sunday on my Charge. I thought I was an AOSP guy to the core...until this afternoon.
Last night I fried my SIM card. I don't know how, but I did it...and I'm proud Data Hog 4-LIFE!!! Anyway, I'm an indirect rep and I had to bring it to a corporate store to get a new SIM, so to be safe I flashed back to stock ED1 so they couldn't ask any questions.
I gotta say, I can't believe how much I missed TW. It's really not as bad as I remembered. AOSP is pretty bleak looking. The colors of the Charge are AWESOME and TW really helps show them in their full glory. I also like the sound quality and functionality of the stock music player, AS WELL AS (now call me crazy) the Samsung keyboard. It's easier for me to find things quicker with a horizontal scrolling app drawer too.
I really don't see myself buying any other manufacturer's phone in the future.
When people come in with some issue with the Fascinate I end up staying with them for an extra 15 mins cause I can't stop playing with the damn thing...all the while repeating, "Look at this screen. This is some gorgeous screen." And they end up walking out feeling even better about their purchase.
Unless some miracle happens I don't see myself flashing any more ROMs onto my Charge until someone builds a fully function TW4 ROM on the future OTA Gingerbread update.
I think a true hardcore phone phreak is the one that rock straight stock baby. Or mostly stock. I might get some root and kernal action going, but NO non-Samsung launchers from now on.

there is a lot to like about samsung phones...but....in general you have to deal with major software issues and lack of support from the oem and carrier with them
as stock phones (this is pre sgs2 which now rectifies it) they are rfs and imo laggy/buggy/and out of date software wise
the processors and screens are great...that are the major selling points of it
i fully plan on getting an sgs2 (which is no longer rfs) as long as its lte
that being said, having gone back to htc for awhile im blown away with how smooth a stock can be, without having to root and run kernels just to get it the way it should be
i have no loyalty to any brand though

i kinda am now too, but not by actually looking to buy samsung devices and not because i'm half korean .
i got the og galaxy tab b/c i found it fit my needs better than my nook color did. sold the nc and rebought the gt.
next was 10.1 in tablets, i tried the xoom, transfomer and the gt10.1. i went the gt10.1 b/c it had the best quality of all the devices. the others had their pluses and minuses but i settled with the samsung device.
the phone, i've pretty much been an htc fan since that's about all you can get on sprint. since i loved the evo 4g i was originally gonna get the tb, but after research and seeing how bad the battery is on the tb i went for the charge and i'm completely happy.
now i'm waiting on seeing what i do with my sprint upgrade, do i quit sprint ($50/mo 450min and unlimited data - thanks SERO!), or go with another htc phone or wait for the photon or gs2? i had the evo 3d for a while but sent it back. it was no fault of the phone, i really loved it, but sprint's data has been getting bad for over a month. they fixed everything the day after i took the phone back, lol.
my mom's tv is a samsung - she actually prefers to buy korean though, my wife's brd player is samsung, my monitors are samsung...

I had a bad experience with Samsung when I had the Epic 4g. My GPS woudln't lock to anything closer to 30 meters/98.4 feet. It got Froyo 8 months after it came out with promises that it'd come out alot sooner. That's why my username is Samsuck, but do you want to know what made me come back?
The screen man, it's like crack. Especially now with Netflix. I had a Thunderbolt and if you live in Texas and step outside, you're not going to see a damn thing on that crappy screen.
Sure, this phone doesn't have as much ram but I can sacrifice that.

It all started back when i was a little kid. There was nothing better than a Sony CRT TV. All other tvs looked awfully disappointing to me. Trinitron was an amazing technology. Now i don't remember how or why but when it came time for me to get my own tv in my room i was bought a Samsung and to my surprise it looked great. I was a little quality Nazi back then and i loved it...so much that i figured Sony licensed Trinitron out to them. The only thing a Sony tv had on it was better detail in the blacks.
My first HDTV was a 5 million lb CRT by Samsung and nothing to this day looks better. I don't have it anymore. Now I'm stuck with a Sony Bravia and it's awful. When i look at tvs at the store i wind up liking Samsung the best without even looking at the names.
I'm pretty forgiving when it comes to lag. Stuttering not so much. I was playing with an expiria play and was marveling on how smooth it was...until i got to the app drawer admit started to stutter.
Overall it comes down to functionality and ease of navigation and from day-one with the Galaxy Indulge I was never really stumped on how to do something.
It's a shame that they're not as quick to send updates but for us I don't see that as problem cause we can update ourselves if we see fit.
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The screen alone was enough to make me buy only Samsung phones from now on.