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Galaxy S Accounting for 20% of Android Sales

http://www.t3.com/news/samsung-galaxy-s-tops-9-3-million-handset-sales?=52105
They'll hit just shy of 10 Million units end of this month. Which is roughly 2 Million units/month.
Android is selling 10 Million units per month which means the Galaxy S is accounting for 20% of all Android sales

That's huge a huge market share. You'd think Samsung would open their eyes and realize what they have and stop leaving us all out to dry.

devho said:
That's huge a huge market share. You'd think Samsung would open their eyes and realize what they have and stop leaving us all out to dry.
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Well 19.5% of that 20% probably doesn't even know what froyo is so that's the reason samsung don't care.

So it's our own damn fault that they haven't fixed the GPS. With numbers like that, if I were Samsung I wouldn't bother fixing it, either. It's clearly not effecting Sales... why make the effort?

RocketSled said:
So it's our own damn fault that they haven't fixed the GPS. With numbers like that, if I were Samsung I wouldn't bother fixing it, either. It's clearly not effecting Sales... why make the effort?
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Why? Because if you want to continue to have sales growth with future products, you don't purposely piss off the buyers of your previous products. I'm sure Samsung doesn't want the Galaxy S series to be our first and last Samsung phone purchase.

Miami_Son said:
Why? Because if you want to continue to have sales growth with future products, you don't purposely piss off the buyers of your previous products. I'm sure Samsung doesn't want the Galaxy S series to be our first and last Samsung phone purchase.
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Companies would be more focused on churning out more units, than fix the ones already released. They bother more about the "revenue".

You bet that's a huge marketshare. I think I read the Tab is selling 1 million units a month, too, which would put Samsung in charge of about 30% total Android market.
HTC/Moto/etc have too freaking many models to keep track of to do a manufacturer by manufacturer comparison.
Miami_Son said:
Why? Because if you want to continue to have sales growth with future products, you don't purposely piss off the buyers of your previous products. I'm sure Samsung doesn't want the Galaxy S series to be our first and last Samsung phone purchase.
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Exactly.
It's already put a sour taste in my mouth. Instead of running out and buying the "latest and greatest" from Samsung I'll be waiting to hear of "stupid Samsung issues" like GPS... And I think the vast majority of those on XDA would do the same.
So in a way, they've already hurt return sales. For your average customer running stock sucky GPS: they may never use a Samsung phone again.

TexUs said:
You bet that's a huge marketshare. I think I read the Tab is selling 1 million units a month, too, which would put Samsung in charge of about 30% total Android market.
HTC/Moto/etc have too freaking many models to keep track of to do a manufacturer by manufacturer comparison.
Exactly.
It's already put a sour taste in my mouth. Instead of running out and buying the "latest and greatest" from Samsung I'll be waiting to hear of "stupid Samsung issues" like GPS... And I think the vast majority of those on XDA would do the same.
So in a way, they've already hurt return sales. For your average customer running stock sucky GPS: they may never use a Samsung phone again.
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Absolutely.
And I'm super close to bailing ship to another phone.
Sent from my Captivate.

MikeyMike01 said:
Absolutely.
And I'm super close to bailing ship to another phone.
Sent from my Captivate.
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I hate seeing a dev bail
But it's understandable. I was on Perception and got so pissed the other day, generally I don't use GPS but I was in a big city and needed it. It had no freaking clue where I was at, I was on an interstate, it thought I was on side roads (So it's telling me to turn where I shouldn't, etc). I had to freaking shut it off and just find my way manually (luckily I knew generally which interstates to take). It's been that way on Cognition too, I think their hardware just sucks (I did download the Samsung GPS app... I'll see next time I use it if it fixes anything).
But for people that rely on a GPS, it's understandable. I don't, so I'll probably stick with the Captivate until I change plans, want a new phone, etc.
But I do hate seeing a dev bail. ATT is the only decent carrier around here and the Captivate is their best Android phone.

TexUs said:
It's already put a sour taste in my mouth. Instead of running out and buying the "latest and greatest" from Samsung I'll be waiting to hear of "stupid Samsung issues" like GPS... And I think the vast majority of those on XDA would do the same.
So in a way, they've already hurt return sales. For your average customer running stock sucky GPS: they may never use a Samsung phone again.
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QQ more plox, it works fine if you live in major/important US citiy.
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Miami_Son said:
Why? Because if you want to continue to have sales growth with future products, you don't purposely piss off the buyers of your previous products. I'm sure Samsung doesn't want the Galaxy S series to be our first and last Samsung phone purchase.
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In a rational world, you'd be right. But consumers are not always rational (look at iPhone 4 buyers and their reaction to the Grip Of Death. That didn't put much if any of a dent in iPhone sales). Consumers tend to gravitate to the "next greatest thing", it's emotion as much as (if not more so than) logic.
Hard core fanatics like those of us who read this Forum will remember Samsung's poor response to this issue. When it comes time for a replacement for our Captivates, we'll look harder at Samsung than we normally would have. Lets say there's 10000 Captivate owners on this Forum who won't buy again because we're pissed about the GPS issues... Samsung's attitude is likely "so what?". There's still 9,990,000 buyers who'll bite on another generation of product. And I bet most of us would end up buying again if the feature set were "right".
The way to bring pressure to bear on Samsung is to bring pressure to bear on the carrier that sold you the phone. Customer satisfaction is more important to them, and Samsung is more likely to listen to an AT&T demanding a solution for their 5 million Captivate owners (just made that # up), than the outrage of a relatively small community of Forum users.
I'm in customer management, myself. My favorite joke saying is "Customer satisfaction: because we're not satisfied until you're not satisfied". Unfortunately, for the giants of industry (and Sammy is in the top 5 globally) this is too often nearer the truth than a joke...

Apple is a bad analogy. Not only did they revolutionize the smartphone market, they practically own it. And they are established among their fanboys and girls who rarely think them capable of doing any wrong and buy Apple products on blind faith. Samsung does not enjoy such position and are neophytes by comparison. If they really want to take on the likes of Apple, HTC and Motorola, they had better not piss off those of us who are just now buying our first Samsung phone. Unless they want it to be our last. I agree that we need to be more vocal with both AT$T and Samsung. I bought this phone primarily on Samsung's promise to update it to Froyo (both on their website and in the packaging that came with the Samsung dock I bought). Broken promises are not to be excused.

RocketSled said:
The way to bring pressure to bear on Samsung is to bring pressure to bear on the carrier that sold you the phone. Customer satisfaction is more important to them, and Samsung is more likely to listen to an AT&T demanding a solution for their 5 million Captivate owners (just made that # up), than the outrage of a relatively small community of Forum users.
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Yes, but the same logic should be applied to ATT.
"Why should we stick our necks out on this GPS deal? We've still got the rest of our 98% Captivate owners not complaining".
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Apple is a bad analogy. Not only did they revolutionize the smartphone market, they practically own it.
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No, they don't.
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You're right in that they've brainwashed their users, but part of that brainwashing is that the iPhone is still more relevant to the world than anything else out there.

Keep in mind that iPhone is basically one device from one manufacturer, whereas Symbian and Android phones are many devices from many manufacturers. If you split it up by individual manufacturer rather than OS then Apple is the market share leader. I agree completely with the brainwashing aspect, though. I have a couple of Apple faithful in my family who remain blissfully ignorant.

Miami_Son said:
Keep in mind that iPhone is basically one device from one manufacturer, whereas Symbian and Android phones are many devices from many manufacturers. If you split it up by individual manufacturer rather than OS then Apple is the market share leader
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Wrong again. Apple's not even in the top 3.

Again, you're comparing worldwide sales of some manufacturers whose phones are available for use in many other countries on many other networks to the Apple iPhone which is only available for use primarily in the US and only on one network. How about one of your nifty graphs comparing just domestic market share?
Still, if Samsung is so prolific in the global cell phone market, they have even more reason to keep customers happy and protect such a sizeable market share. This industry turns on a dime as product cycles get shorter and technologies advance so quickly. Turning a blind eye to customer loyalty is bad business. In less than 2 years I've gone from a Motorola Razor to an LG Incite to an HTC Tilt 2 to the Captivate. I was very happy with HTC and wanted to stay with them, but poor Android offerings from AT$T forced the switch. So far, I'm happy with the Samsung, but if they fail to deliver on the promised Froyo and don't do something about the GPS, I'm done with them. Just like I stopped buying Samsung HDTVs (after having 3 since 2002 and problems with every one).

MikeyMike01 said:
Wrong again. Apple's not even in the top 3.
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The problem with this graph is that the top 3 make many different phones and on multiple platforms. They have low-end, mid-range, and high-end phone lines and multiple versions of each of those. In addition, they have phones that run OSes other than Android.
Not a 1-to-1 comparison there.

RocketSled said:
In a rational world, you'd be right. But consumers are not always rational (look at iPhone 4 buyers and their reaction to the Grip Of Death. That didn't put much if any of a dent in iPhone sales). Consumers tend to gravitate to the "next greatest thing", it's emotion as much as (if not more so than) logic.
Hard core fanatics like those of us who read this Forum will remember Samsung's poor response to this issue. When it comes time for a replacement for our Captivates, we'll look harder at Samsung than we normally would have. Lets say there's 10000 Captivate owners on this Forum who won't buy again because we're pissed about the GPS issues... Samsung's attitude is likely "so what?". There's still 9,990,000 buyers who'll bite on another generation of product. And I bet most of us would end up buying again if the feature set were "right".
The way to bring pressure to bear on Samsung is to bring pressure to bear on the carrier that sold you the phone. Customer satisfaction is more important to them, and Samsung is more likely to listen to an AT&T demanding a solution for their 5 million Captivate owners (just made that # up), than the outrage of a relatively small community of Forum users.
I'm in customer management, myself. My favorite joke saying is "Customer satisfaction: because we're not satisfied until you're not satisfied". Unfortunately, for the giants of industry (and Sammy is in the top 5 globally) this is too often nearer the truth than a joke...
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I couldn't agree with this more. I still like Android, but I decided to give WP7 a chance. My choices were the Samsung Focus and the HTC Surround. A lot of people went with the Focus, but I went with the Surround. My biggest reason...I've been more satisfied with HTC in the past than I have been with Samsung. The Captivate was the first Samsung smartphone I've had, and I'm disappointed in their lack of support and their lack of releasing updates.
Are there any Motorola or HTC Android phones that came out around the time the Captivate did that don't have Froyo yet? None that I can think of, at least not high-end ones.

I hate to say it, but I think I'm going to return the Captivate before my 30 days are up. I really need a working GPS and the fact that the Cappy is now being discounted heavily tells me that Samsung and AT$T will not be putting much effort into this model and are just trying to reduce inventory so they can move onto the next model. Too bad, because the Cappy has the potential to be a good phone. A really great phone, actually.

Miami_Son said:
I hate to say it, but I think I'm going to return the Captivate before my 30 days are up. I really need a working GPS and the fact that the Cappy is now being discounted heavily tells me that Samsung and AT$T will not be putting much effort into this model and are just trying to reduce inventory so they can move onto the next model. Too bad, because the Cappy has the potential to be a good phone. A really great phone, actually.
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I understand your plight, but I do not understand people that say they NEED a perfect working GPS, yet they've never picked up a $69 standalone Garmin or TomTom, we need to stop relying on our phones to be a master of everything, its not, its a jack of all trades, master of none. I get frustrated with my GPS but really thats the only issue that I see, and it works good enough most of the time so I'm not really bothered, plus I personally like ATT, I'll never goto Verizon, and Sprint doesn't have a big enough market where I'm at to make it worth it. Good luck with whatever you choose!

Is it just me or are the phone manufacturers getting out of control?

I feel like Android phone manufacturers are making so many new phones no one can even keep up anymore. (Unless you have thousands of dollars to invest into phones). I just bought a droid Charge in August 2011 and pretty much there are 3-4 phones out or that will be out that are better in the next 2 weeks.
Personally I think they are making to many phones to fast and they are not giving the older phones the updates they need. This could turn in to a major fail. Just wanted to hear some other peoples thoughts on this issue.

Riddlin said:
I feel like Android phone manufacturers are making so many new phones no one can even keep up anymore. (Unless you have thousands of dollars to invest into phones). I just bought a droid Charge in August 2011 and pretty much there are 3-4 phones out or that will be out that are better in the next 2 weeks.
Personally I think they are making to many phones to fast and they are not giving the older phones the updates they need. This could turn in to a major fail. Just wanted to hear some other peoples thoughts on this issue.
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get used to it br0. It's the cycle of technology. You can NEVER keep up. Just love what you have.

I do love what I had. That is why I just sold it on ebay. LOL I want the latest and greatest, but this is getting ridiculous. Who in the heck wants to hang with their old droid when there are 20 better phones out there within a year. Either Apple is on something or they are on to something. 1 new phone ever 6 months to a year and people go nutz for the fricking thing.

My advice evaluate the phone technology and its likelihood to be supported. These are the 2 most critical items to consider.
I have had a Galaxy phone since its release and I waited for it for 5 months before getting it............ because I knew it was going to have tech that would endure for a while. Now, we have the dual cores everywhere. Beware, just because it is dual core does not make it a great phone. Make sure to check everything out, and make sure it will be supported. Finally, As soon as you get a dual core in ........2012 there will be quad cores..........and so it goes...........

illuminarias said:
get used to it br0. It's the cycle of technology. You can NEVER keep up. Just love what you have.
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exactly the same goes for PCs

Riddlin said:
I do love what I had. That is why I just sold it on ebay. LOL I want the latest and greatest, but this is getting ridiculous. Who in the heck wants to hang with their old droid when there are 20 better phones out there within a year. Either Apple is on something or they are on to something. 1 new phone ever 6 months to a year and people go nutz for the fricking thing.
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Well, yeah. Then commercial groups offering spaceship travels for big money definietly shouldn't do it, but wait until everyone can afford it.
If only having the best phone makes you feel the best I feel sorry for you. : (

Riddlin said:
I want the latest and greatest
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Then the problem is clearly you and not the manufacturers. Ask yourself why you always want the latest and greatest. What significant and meaningful difference does it make in your day-to-day life.

Riddlin said:
I feel like Android phone manufacturers are making so many new phones no one can even keep up anymore. (Unless you have thousands of dollars to invest into phones). I just bought a droid Charge in August 2011 and pretty much there are 3-4 phones out or that will be out that are better in the next 2 weeks.
Personally I think they are making to many phones to fast and they are not giving the older phones the updates they need. This could turn in to a major fail. Just wanted to hear some other peoples thoughts on this issue.
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The carriers will never update their phones as quickly as we would like, but we have CM7, Miui and other distributions to fix that.

Do you upgrade a laptop every 3-4 months? Likely not.
'phones' are becoming similar.
Also, Android being a powerful free OS allows many phone makers to get in on making a smartphone quite quickly. This is a good thing, not a bad one.
I dont go to the food store and complain there are too many different types of bread. Choice is a luxury.
/firstworldproblems

There is a problem.
The problem isnt choice or speed of new handsets. Its the fact these handset makers seem to be going out of there way to hold back features just to create more options.
Nearly every choice you make you sacrifice something that shouldnt be. This last year Samsung was incredibly guilty of that.
We shouldnt have to pick between the phone with the best camera or the best screen 3g or 4g when theyre released with identical specs within a few weeks/months of each other.
You end up with a situation where IMO since 3GS/NexusOne were both available at same time theres basically no best handset to get. They all have some glaring downside that often seems intentional. Nexus Galaxy having weak gpu/pentile screen/5mp camera for a flasgship phone is the calling card of this awful trend.
Hopefully Google buying Moto means a true flagship android phone will be out in the future. HTCs lousy digitizer selection , and Samsungs half assed approach really are getting on my nerves.
Win7 just needs more options PERIOD.

Actually I'm happy I'm a reviewer and I get all the newest models for a week only. I never have to regret my choice and invest in next generations and upgrades.
That's why I chose a mid-tier device - If review phones must be wiped, I can still keep my data on my Ace and customize how I want.
It's good that technology is moving so fast. You buy a thing, but there are many others that haven't bought this thing. If they were iPhoners, they would have to wait until June (or October in 4s case) till the next model.
But Androiders and WP7ists just go in the store and buy tech that is up to date, because it is released just weeks ago and so specs are always at its zenith.

Phone manufacturers are really going out of control. They produce phones with specs that are missing, then include them in their next offerings. but then they produce phones which are pretty much the same as the ones before except for 1 or 2 upgrades to increase sales.
They like to make their products 'diverse' but if you look on the bird's eye view of it. It becomes clear that they are just going for quantity without quality products.
Why don't they just drop down a killer phone whose specs will stay for at most 2 years?
Better buy a product which suits you for the next year or two

I think it's great, actually. People only THINK they need the latest and greatest device, when they don't. I rather have 5 new phones come out in a 2 week period than having to wait for something for a year or so. With android, there's little chance of you not finding the PERFECT phone for you. (Mines is the SK4G, I can care less about any other phone now)
The only problem I see with rapid phone releases is updates. I highly doubt the Sidekick 4G, even with it coming out earlier this year, will see ICS... let alone Gingerbread, because they're forgotten about/ not important enough.
Honestly, if you have a rooted GB device, and it runs how you like it, do you need to worry about the newer phones?

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Why don't they just drop down a killer phone whose specs will stay for at most 2 years?
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Because, short of Apple and their ability as a small company producing both hardware and software,there is not profit in that. Companies are out to make money, it is not their fault that the wealthy people of the world have decided that they must have the latest phone no matter what, that's on the consumer.

I bought a Nexus One in April 2010 and I've not felt tempted to replace it before now because it runs Gingerbread and newer phones didn't seem to offer that much more.
However, the release of the Galaxy Note with the stylus for accurate screen pointing and screen large enough and with sufficient resolution to display entire Web page makes an upgrade now worthwhile to me. Zooming and panning a small phone screen across a Web page to find specific points of interest is a pain and I look forward to leaving that experience behind.

zerocool79346 said:
Because, short of Apple and their ability as a small company producing both hardware and software,there is not profit in that. Companies are out to make money, it is not their fault that the wealthy people of the world have decided that they must have the latest phone no matter what, that's on the consumer.
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^What he said

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Phone manufacturers are really going out of control. They produce phones with specs that are missing, then include them in their next offerings. but then they produce phones which are pretty much the same as the ones before except for 1 or 2 upgrades to increase sales.
They like to make their products 'diverse' but if you look on the bird's eye view of it. It becomes clear that they are just going for quantity without quality products.
Why don't they just drop down a killer phone whose specs will stay for at most 2 years?
Better buy a product which suits you for the next year or two
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Because if they play apple's game, they will lose horribly. Apple is apple, and apple is the standard whether you like it or not. When a average person compares a phone, what does he compare it to? The iPhone of course. So a manufacturer will not survive if they only release a oh so powerful phone every year or two, simply because they do not have nearly as much of a fan base apple has.

it's really awesome imo
always something to be excited about
I love waiting for a phone I've been wanting to drop in price, and while I wait, an even better phone gets released lmao

http://www.facebook.com/motorola?sk=wall&filter=1 click the link people like it and comment on it.
I have seen first hand proof of this working. I had an evo 3d. Htc decided all futre devices would have locked bootliaders well that made alot of people angry. Someone posted a thread on xda suggesting we let htc know that is not gna fly. So it turnd out thousands of people got on there facebook wall and twitter. Guess what the next day htc released a statement saying that they wanted too keep there coustamers happy and that the bootloader would be unlocked. They were. Id like to be able too have a device and not have too get a new one juzt because moto or htc or sammy wants too put them out constantly get people too buy them and then ditch them and out out another. The atrix is 100 percent capable of runing ics and theres no excuae for it l not too recieve it just because moto wants people too buy new devices every couple months. I know many many people feel the same way well as i said we have the power too change that if people would stop bickering and take it seriously. And also if moto started supporting devices longer not just bug fixes but the new android flavors. Id definately make my next device a moto it would do nothing but benefit them

Kailkti said:
Because if they play apple's game, they will lose horribly. Apple is apple, and apple is the standard whether you like it or not. When a average person compares a phone, what does he compare it to? The iPhone of course. So a manufacturer will not survive if they only release a oh so powerful phone every year or two, simply because they do not have nearly as much of a fan base apple has.
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I think it is this statement that sums it all up. Very well said.

Have SIII, wait iPhone5?

Hello,I have a Samsung Galaxy SIII and i don't know to stay with SIII more time or sell SIII and wait for iPhone 5?SIII is really great so I am confused. SIII vs. iPhone 5

Have you used your SGSIII until it's full potential yet?
If you haven't, you should try it like now or soon enough.
Wait for iP5's launch and when it launches, try out iP5 and see if it suits you better than your SGSIII then make your decision.
There is no point selling your SGSIII now and wait for a non-launched phone.

Really??? With all the tech crammed into that S3 you would sell for a iphone 5? I just have to ask why are you interested in the iphone? I was a long time iPhone user, I have lots of money tied up in the app store still... I started with the 2G all the way to the 4S 64 GB. This is why I ask why, I switched just all of the sudden to a samsung note due to apples choke hold that they have on the market, I hated that a company would make a great app and apple would rip it off patent it and change the policy terms so that now one could have the same thing, I saw that all too often. Second was the lack of upgrades... I give it to apple they make so of the best looking hardware I have ever seen but been with them from the mobile beginnings I always was in the group of people that always hacked the phone to add what should have been. I remember always in the rumor mill hearing of the new features and great upgades only to spend 300 buck for a high res screen?? and a little faster processor, they have always followed far behind everyone else in terms of updated hardware and software. I would keep that S3, the iPhone 5 is rumoredto release not in june like the old days but in december like the last iphone 4S (steve is gone so say good bye to tradition) Also think what would apple really give you other that a pretty phone? 3.5 inch screen to ??? 4 WOW, quad core processor, (you already have that and dont have to wait till the next year) and a 9 MP camera? lol The only thing I still like about apple is the cult following that keeps making a large amount of accessories for their products, most cell phone get that love for 6 months and then on to the next. (3GS is now 3 years old and there is a ton of **** for it to buy). That is what I would really let make up your mind. Support or little support as far as accessories. Hardware is going to lack what you currently have and the app store is very unfriendly, it only benifits apple. I hope I didnt ramble too much and hope this helps.

jarazmek said:
Really??? With all the tech crammed into that S3 you would sell for a iphone 5? I just have to ask why are you interested in the iphone? I was a long time iPhone user, I have lots of money tied up in the app store still... I started with the 2G all the way to the 4S 64 GB. This is why I ask why, I switched just all of the sudden to a samsung note due to apples choke hold that they have on the market, I hated that a company would make a great app and apple would rip it off patent it and change the policy terms so that now one could have the same thing, I saw that all too often. Second was the lack of upgrades... I give it to apple they make so of the best looking hardware I have ever seen but been with them from the mobile beginnings I always was in the group of people that always hacked the phone to add what should have been. I remember always in the rumor mill hearing of the new features and great upgades only to spend 300 buck for a high res screen?? and a little faster processor, they have always followed far behind everyone else in terms of updated hardware and software. I would keep that S3, the iPhone 5 is rumoredto release not in june like the old days but in december like the last iphone 4S (steve is gone so say good bye to tradition) Also think what would apple really give you other that a pretty phone? 3.5 inch screen to ??? 4 WOW, quad core processor, (you already have that and dont have to wait till the next year) and a 9 MP camera? lol The only thing I still like about apple is the cult following that keeps making a large amount of accessories for their products, most cell phone get that love for 6 months and then on to the next. (3GS is now 3 years old and there is a ton of **** for it to buy). That is what I would really let make up your mind. Support or little support as far as accessories. Hardware is going to lack what you currently have and the app store is very unfriendly, it only benifits apple. I hope I didnt ramble too much and hope this helps.
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I agree!! Why would you even think about that old behind technology?

Opinion: Samsung’s Galaxy Note is the iPhone of the Android world

http://www.sammobile.com/2014/03/27/opinion-samsungs-galaxy-note-is-the-iphone-of-the-android-world/
Great Article, worth reading.
Sent from Note 3 (The beauty & beast)

sohebq said:
http://www.sammobile.com/2014/03/27/opinion-samsungs-galaxy-note-is-the-iphone-of-the-android-world/
Great Article, worth reading.
Sent from Note 3 (The beauty & beast)
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Actually no, the Sx (last year S4, soon S5) is the iphone of the Android world, with around 30-40 million units sold for the yearly Sx vs about 3-5 for the corresponding Note. Vs around 50 million iphones.
The Note is like a super-iphone, which in 1-2 years Apple will probably also "invent" (read - steal the idea) in order to reverse the current trend in their sales.

^^
Actually the article compared the loyality of iphone with Samsung. Its true that note series users are more satisfied with samsung than S series users. I have hardly seen anyone going from note 2 or note 3 to small screens or even similar but I have seen a lot of users from S series moved to sony, htc and Lg.
Sent from Note 3 (The beauty & beast)

sohebq said:
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Actually the article compared the loyality of iphone with Samsung. Its true that note series users are more satisfied with samsung than S series users. I have hardly seen anyone going from note 2 or note 3 to small screens or even similar but I have seen a lot of users from S series moved to sony, htc and Lg.
Sent from Note 3 (The beauty & beast)
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Former S user using Note 3 and more then happy, next phone will be a Note series, S series no more thanks.

xclub_101 said:
Actually no, the Sx (last year S4, soon S5) is the iphone of the Android world, with around 30-40 million units sold for the yearly Sx vs about 3-5 for the corresponding Note. Vs around 50 million iphones.
The Note is like a super-iphone, which in 1-2 years Apple will probably also "invent" (read - steal the idea) in order to reverse the current trend in their sales.
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What the article was really saying is people with the note series tend to be more faithfully then the s series just like Apple fanboys are with iPhones
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What the article was really saying is people with the note series tend to be more faithfully then the s series just like Apple fanboys are with iPhones
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A lot of that is not a matter of "being faithful to the brand" but instead a combination of a very minor part of that plus:
- no alternative to S-Pen
- no alternative phablets with microSD + replaceable battery + enough mass to have both a decent accessory market and a decent ROM prospect in the future (if you think that Samsung is not great with the updates consider that most of the Chinese stuff never gets any update and are never supported by something like CM).
That being said - the Note line is not the main cash-cow, 3-5 million units is very little compared to 50 million units; it is far from zero so it is a pretty lucrative niche, but still not in the first line, and the way I see the evolution of things with Samsung I would expect that S5 mini might get a lot more attention from a certain segment of the market (but that depends a lot on the specs and even more so on the price).

It's much easier to be faithful to a unique product that meets specific needs, than it is to a product designed to have as wide an appeal as possible.
The iPhone, like the Galaxy S4/S5, is designed for mass-market, to be a flagship, primarily bought on contract by technical and non-technical consumers and primarily from network operator stores. People walk in wanting 'an iPhone' or 'a Galaxy' and will be led to what is considered 'best' at the time.
The Note is not going to appeal to everyone due to its size - something some people hate it for - so when people buy one, they are doing so having researched and thought carefully about their needs. They buy that product specifically and tend to know their requirements technically and specifically.
Therefore loyalty will be higher, it has been a very deliberate and considered decision.

Robster83 said:
It's much easier to be faithful to a unique product that meets specific needs, than it is to a product designed to have as wide an appeal as possible.
The iPhone, like the Galaxy S4/S5, is designed for mass-market, to be a flagship, primarily bought on contract by technical and non-technical consumers and primarily from network operator stores. People walk in wanting 'an iPhone' or 'a Galaxy' and will be led to what is considered 'best' at the time.
The Note is not going to appeal to everyone due to its size - something some people hate it for - so when people buy one, they are doing so having researched and thought carefully about their needs. They buy that product specifically and tend to know their requirements technically and specifically.
Therefore loyalty will be higher, it has been a very deliberate and considered decision.
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Very true. I do miss the size of the smaller phones though. But when it comes to reading and watching media, note is brilliant
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How?
iPhones have hardware of 2 years ago, the Note is ahead of everyone.
People who use iPhones are blind to all their faults, we grumble and complain about KNOX on a daily basis.
iPhones are meant for users who want simple, our Note has more features than an iPhone user can handle.
iPhons are meant for the common cattle, our Note 3 is meant for a specific group of people.
I'm not seeing it. We love our Note 3 because there is, in terms of hardware, nothing out there of equal level. Even the newer devices are less. But we are not blind to its faults.

ShadowLea said:
How?
iPhones have hardware of 2 years ago, the Note is ahead of everyone.
People who use iPhones are blind to all their faults, we grumble and complain about KNOX on a daily basis.
iPhones are meant for users who want simple, our Note has more features than an iPhone user can handle.
iPhons are meant for the common cattle, our Note 3 is meant for a specific group of people.
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IPhone is not a phone, it's more like your buying IOS with the hardware you can afford.... and speaking my mind, the moment Nokia WP8 has a pen device( or enhanced screen tap precision), bye bye arrogant Google android& crappy Sammy...:good:

htc9420 said:
IPhone is not a phone, it's more like your buying IOS with the hardware you can afford.... and speaking my mind, the moment Nokia WP8 has a pen device( or enhanced screen tap precision), bye bye arrogant Google android& crappy Sammy...:good:
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I hate Windows phone metro style
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ShadowLea said:
How?
iPhones have hardware of 2 years ago, the Note is ahead of everyone.
People who use iPhones are blind to all their faults, we grumble and complain about KNOX on a daily basis.
iPhones are meant for users who want simple, our Note has more features than an iPhone user can handle.
iPhons are meant for the common cattle, our Note 3 is meant for a specific group of people.
I'm not seeing it. We love our Note 3 because there is, in terms of hardware, nothing out there of equal level. Even the newer devices are less. But we are not blind to its faults.
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I do agree with you, but not entirely. I am a huge Android fanboy and after switching from iOS I've never looked back. However Apple has made iOS very specific to it's hardware it's a marriage between software and hardware that works They do have some very cool features aswell. Sapphire glass, a faster response touch screen, 64bit processor, camera that does 120fps video.
I still recommend iPhone to certain people that aren't interested in custom Roms and want a phone with a very basic interface. iPhone does that really well. The phone itself is very pretty and has a really premium feel to it.
I personally cannot handle the restrictions especially iTunes! As well as not being able to simply bluetooth a simple file from one device to another.
Credit where credit is due though.
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LiMz said:
I do agree with you, but not entirely. I am a huge Android fanboy and after switching from iOS I've never looked back. However Apple has made iOS very specific to it's hardware it's a marriage between software and hardware that works They do have some very cool features aswell. Sapphire glass, a faster response touch screen, 64bit processor, camera that does 120fps video.
I still recommend iPhone to certain people that aren't interested in custom Roms and want a phone with a very basic interface. iPhone does that really well. The phone itself is very pretty and has a really premium feel to it.
I personally cannot handle the restrictions especially iTunes! As well as not being able to simply bluetooth a simple file from one device to another.
Credit where credit is due though.
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You do realize a 64bit CPU is entirely pointless with only 1GB RAM? Its main feature is to support more than 3GB... Another one of those typical "I have it. Can't use it, don't know what it's for, but I have it and you don't" gimmicks on an iPhone...
What I hate most about Apple is the ridiculous process of files communicating between itself and the system. Try editing a .mp3 and then setting it as a ringtone. Can't be done without a computer with itunes to transfer the file from the phone to the pc and back to the phone. What. The. Bleeding. Hell.
I've had iPhone users comment on how much faster my Note 3 is than their iPhone 5S... So... (Also, how they love the homescreen and its freedom.)
As for premium feel... So far I've seen maybe 6 iphones without a broken screen. (And I commute an average of 7 hours a day on the busy Berlin-Schiphol airport train.) There's not much premium about a shattered screen, nor is there anything premium about needing a hideous rubber case to prevent said screen from breaking when you drop it from more than 5cm...
I'll recommend iPhones too, to 92 year old grannies who have never used a phone, or the sad little people who think more than 1 button is too complicated. (Those are the same people I recommend they remove themselves from the gene pool to improve it.)
My dad has never owned a smartphone until last month (He never saw the point. He does now.) and the very first thing he said was "I'd rather have no phone at all than one of those dictator-iphones. I want to decide what it does, not the phone. If I wanted to be dictated in everything by someone else, I'd go live in North Korea." The man has a point... :highfive: (So he bought an LG L5-II, and this morning he shows up at the breakfast table with a "I've been thinking about getting the same phone as you." :victory: Success!)

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You do realize a 64bit CPU is entirely pointless with only 1GB RAM? Its main feature is to support more than 3GB... Another one of those typical "I have it. Can't use it, don't know what it's for, but I have it and you don't" gimmicks on an iPhone...
What I hate most about Apple is the ridiculous process of files communicating between itself and the system. Try editing a .mp3 and then setting it as a ringtone. Can't be done without a computer with itunes to transfer the file from the phone to the pc and back to the phone. What. The. Bleeding. Hell.
I've had iPhone users comment on how much faster my Note 3 is than their iPhone 5S... So... (Also, how they love the homescreen and its freedom.)
As for premium feel... So far I've seen maybe 6 iphones without a broken screen. (And I commute an average of 7 hours a day on the busy Berlin-Schiphol airport train.) There's not much premium about a shattered screen, nor is there anything premium about needing a hideous rubber case to prevent said screen from breaking when you drop it from more than 5cm...
I'll recommend iPhones too, to 92 year old grannies who have never used a phone, or the sad little people who think more than 1 button is too complicated. (Those are the same people I recommend they remove themselves from the gene pool to improve it.)
My dad has never owned a smartphone until last month (He never saw the point. He does now.) and the very first thing he said was "I'd rather have no phone at all than one of those dictator-iphones. I want to decide what it does, not the phone. If I wanted to be dictated in everything by someone else, I'd go live in North Korea." The man has a point... :highfive: (So he bought an LG L5-II, and this morning he shows up at the breakfast table with a "I've been thinking about getting the same phone as you." :victory: Success!)
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iTunes really is a killjoy.
And yup, widgets and home screens make your phone a whole lot more informative and pretty.
If you could change something about your note 3. What would it be?
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LiMz said:
iTunes really is a killjoy.
And yup, widgets and home screens make your phone a whole lot more informative and pretty.
If you could change something about your note 3. What would it be?
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Apart from KNOX?
I'd want the USB3 to work as USB3 and not as 2.1 , get rid of that bottleneck MTP (google's fault that) and a different, bigger sensor in the camera. The camera is rubbish, but I didn't buy the phone for that. (I own an EOS70D) It's still a flaw, though.
I haven't had the same issue with speaker quality as others mention so I can't comment on that.

ShadowLea said:
Apart from KNOX?
I'd want the USB3 to work as USB3 and not as 2.1 , get rid of that bottleneck MTP (google's fault that) and a different, bigger sensor in the camera. The camera is rubbish, but I didn't buy the phone for that. (I own an EOS70D) It's still a flaw, though.
I haven't had the same issue with speaker quality as others mention so I can't comment on that.
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Speaker sound is "muffled" that's for sure, and the volume a bit low... Even my previous S3 sounded better, especially when applying the volume increase MOD (Ahhhh... miss the root features, :crying... I know it's too much to ask for apart from all the premium features, but another speaker on the top would have given the sound a great stereo, surround feel

ShadowLea said:
Apart from KNOX?
I'd want the USB3 to work as USB3 and not as 2.1 , get rid of that bottleneck MTP (google's fault that) and a different, bigger sensor in the camera. The camera is rubbish, but I didn't buy the phone for that. (I own an EOS70D) It's still a flaw, though.
I haven't had the same issue with speaker quality as others mention so I can't comment on that.
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I enjoy the camera though. I have a Sony SLT-A57. Obviously can't mention the two in the same breath but For a tiny sensor it does quite well. What's your take on the HTC upx sensor? I'm contemplating an M8
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LiMz said:
I enjoy the camera though. I have a Sony SLT-A57. Obviously can't mention the two in the same breath but For a tiny sensor it does quite well. What's your take on the HTC upx sensor? I'm contemplating an M8
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Dual 4MP, not familiar with that system, but it's still a 1/3.0" sensor. The problem is they make smartphone CMOS from the rubbush left over from the plate they use to make the rest of the sensors. Middle bit of the plate is the best and goes in a Full-frame, next the APS-C, then the lower end DSLRs, then the high end compacts, then the low end compacts, and whatever is left over is used in smartphones.
So even with 100Map ,you'd still get the aquarel effect, blur, noise and colour issues. We're quintessentially dealing with rubbish.
Wait for a few of the serious picture tests, they might give a better indication.

imho the only android device that competes with an iPhone is the Google nexus series . Apple is a lot better than Samsung quality wise , also their warranty is a lot less a hassle , Sammy has lost its way and is actually writing its own version of the communist manifesto.

Despite KNOX and things like cheap plastic, I still like Samsung for many reasons. They will always create products that will fit users need and they will present it that way. For those who are not on note series considers it huge in size, not pocket friendly and so on. But those who have used it knows that this is true class of Samsung and this is to be kept. I have seen many S series users moving away from Samsung but hardly saw anyone from note series to move. This is Loyalty.

I don't feel the need of getting the next samsung device, what are your opinions?

Its all the same, nevertheless. I find nexus 6P more elegant and unique, thus the reason buying it because theres so many people with samsung devices, even low class people which just filters out its uniqueness and its price tag making it look worthless outside. What are your opinions? If your on Samsung S6/Edge/+, would you have the need to upgrade to an device such as Samsung S7?
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I've posted an explanation as to what low class in this instance means. forgive me if it had you in any way, i was never trying to make any of you owners sad, its just that for so many, they have this phone and it just gets rid of its status 'elegant'. Elegant is ment to be beautiful, stylish. But when everyone has this 'elegant' phone, where does the definition exist of being stylish?
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I love the samsung edge because its invention of curve screen. I've even had friends give them to me to try for an hour or so. The thing is that, i don't like people having the same phone as me. I was about to get the nexus 5x but one of my friends got it, so i went ahead with nexus 6p. But that doesnt mean that i would get another new phone if someone else has the same phone as me because that would be regarded as wasting money.

I agree I'm in a bond my Samsung smartphone if I should get the new one must have something waw and cool and interesting

I got my Galaxy S phone to be different from everybody else.
Then I got my Galaxy S4/S5 because they were simply the best.
Samsung is neither unique or the best anymore so...

Nexus6p stands strong in Android market . I hope Samsung won't compete to beat n6P with bloatware and bla bla. Hail nexus6p

After living with the LG G4 for a couple weeks, I'll be sticking with Samsung, if for no other reason that I FAR prefer the Home/capacative buttons that Samsung offers compared to the on screen buttons that all the other major makers use. Plus, I like Samsung's screens the best, & they are always at or near the top in camera, performance, etc. Custom ROMs take care of the bloat. Now, Samsung isn't perfect, & I am very disappointed by their removal of SD & replaceable battery, which is why I'm still hanging in there with my S4, which I had planned to replace with the S6. It looks like the SD is coming back, which will be probably be enough for me to go with the S7. If the S7 had replaceable battery, it would be a slam dunk for me. Despite the G4 having those features, it's size & button arrangement (including the power & volume) made it an overall less preferable unit to me than my aging S4.

I agree with the OP, my next device will be a Nexus one.

Not going to upgrade/downgrade from the note 4. But it will interesting to see if Samsung has learned something and if they will put the removable battery and a micro sd card back into their phones.
But yeah real buttons will always beat out in screen ones

So no one have an issue with this person stating even "low class" people have a Samsung?...Obviously not.
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If you can afford it buy Galaxy S7 or just buy some chinese Android phone.
But I definitely like to have microSD card back on Galaxy S7

You sound pretentious and terrible. Just because a company sells their product successfully does not make them worse. They're still using top of the line, listening to consumers by reinstating the microSD slot. You're not special because you have money to buy better products. If you wanna be so "different" go buy an iPhone. You have the same mindset as an apple fanboy.

Like most phones, upgrading every year isn't very appealing because there's only so much that can be improved. I wouldn't upgrade from a Galaxy S6. But I certainly will from my S5 Sport!

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Really, low class? Well you are the Messiah so I guess everyone is low class to you.

I agree with some of you, I don't seen the point of upgrading every year, there isn't a big enough difference between each years models. I don't mind iPhone once they are jailbroken, I have an iPhone 4 that has been through hell and back with me and still kicking. I have been through a kyocera slide I got stuck in boot loop and bricked a HTC desire. Now have an LG G3 that I love and haven't had any problems. If your going from a device that that is a couple models older and is going obsolete then upgrade, but most of us don't have the money laying around to to by a new phone every year.
Have they even set a release date for the Galaxy D7 yet?

By low class, you have to understand that i am not defining those who have samsung as lower class. its your choice to have it or not. but the thing is that wherever i go, everywhere! people have got either samsung or apple in their hands and to me it feels like its just too many. it just destroys its elegancy and its price tag. i don't know how to explain but I hope i cleared some misconceptions

Not usually one to post, but you're not helping yourself any with your explanation. You still come off as elitist, shallow, and rather petty to be honest.
Who cares how many people have a phone? Are you going to tell me an iPhone isn't nice because millions of people have one? Or that the Galaxy series is suddenly not one of the best phones, simply because more people have it?
I dunno if this is going to be breaking news to you, but with contract subsidies and pricing offers and various discounts, even the most expensive of smartphones are a relatively cheap luxury item. With the modern reliance on cellphones, and mobile data, of course having a good phone is going to be something most people will spend a few extra dollars on. Is it really a newsflash that people want the best? Or did you not consider that most people are flocking to the Galaxy series, and the iPhone lineup, because they have a longstanding legacy of being two of the best, powerhouse smartphones available.
Furthermore.. elegance? Really? They're phones, not watches. They're consumption devices that have increasingly more and more uses.. not just little gadgets people get, to show off how rich or awesome they are. Only the geekiest of the geeks have a nerdgasm about how much more elegant their phone is than the average person. The rest of us standard model geeks would rather just enjoy our phones as the tools that they are, and try to find the one that works best for us.

Well done, ThePheonixChameleon. I totally agree, although what do I know, I'm an inelegant, low-class owner of a Galaxy S4, no less.

There is no need to get a Samsung devuce, because there is OnePlus out there...
I was a great fan of Samsung devices, and I'm still are. But now I have two OnePlus devices and I'm very satisfied with them. So I won't get any other device for now and the near future. :beer:

hella356 said:
Well done, ThePheonixChameleon. I totally agree, although what do I know, I'm an inelegant, low-class owner of a Galaxy S4, no less.
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Ehh, I just picked up my fourth rooted Galaxy S3 off Swappa. Still clinging to that antique, cliche phone.. with it's plastic case and inelegant awesomeness that made it the only phone anyone wanted of it's generation.

I currently own a Galaxy S5 Sport. Great phone, but the first thing I did was flash CM12.1, waiting for CM13. Touchwiz is a piece of ****. Samsung phones are so much better than one would think if you get rid of the garbage stock ROM. I'm not just speaking aesthetically, the performance is atrocious. It's so smooth and never hangs up now, also doesn't force close when trying to do something intensive and the RAM management is much better!

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'm not just speaking aesthetically, the performance is atrocious. It's so smooth and never hangs up now, also doesn't force close when trying to do something intensive and the RAM management is much better!
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Totally agree. I also had a SGS5 before I exchanged it with the OnePlus Two. I tried a lot of different Rom's. The very best I flashed on it was AICP. I was very satisfied with that Rom. Maybe you will try it out. :thumbup: