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Do not buy 2nd gen Diamond and Touch Pro 2 Phones

We should not buy their 2nd gen phones which are barely worth the upgrade, not to mention i would not even do an even exchange for the new phone. The only thing they improved was Touchflo which will be ported over.
Seriously give us the same camera but without flash, the TP is the reason i did not buy a separate camera since it took picture pretty decently compared to the non flash Diamond which people say camera was HORRIBLE.
Then HTC understands that no matter which phone is out as long as it is a newer not necessarily better HTC PHONE it will sell. I would hold off till a decent upgrade is up, even you Euro owners as you are probably HTCs main customers.
This would not go over in the Desktop/ Notebook area or even the camera area. So we shall not allow it to go over in the PDA phone area. Would you buy a brand spankin new dell with a Pentium 4 with new casing and some fancy bells and whistles? If yes then i recommend you seek help.
Intel however DID do something smart, yes they now release a seemingly slower 1200mhz and 1600mhz chips BUT with newer technology which is so suited actually alot faster than my older Pentium 4 3Ghz pc. Not to mention it only uses abou 20 watts of power and gives 8hr battery life, compared to the usual 2 to 3hr.
Imagine if they put that in next gen phones along with win 7.

Well i kinda agree.. they haven't upgrade any of the spesifications (without the camera for diamond2).. still qualcomm and so forth.. well tf3d will be ported over as oon as devs get their hands on any roms and so forth.. well i must say that i'm a little dissappointed .. well the touch pro2 do look very very good when it comes to the tilt feature.. both phones do have larger screens.. which makes it (maybe) possibley easier to port over se xperia features like panels and so forth.. (well not that i care about panels).. well we just need to see some more reviews.. but i am a little dissapointed when it comes to specs..

All they have done is re-case the TP and slide the keyboard up. I certainly wont be buying the new TP 2. Not for that money anyway. i will stick with my TP.

im kinda worried they will have trouble porting the new tf3d since they are wvga now and we still dont have panels on our vga devices but hopefully the wonderful devs can make it work cuz landscape tf3d on the new ones looks so nice

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im kinda worried they will have trouble porting the new tf3d since they are wvga now and we still dont have panels on our vga devices but hopefully the wonderful devs can make it work cuz landscape tf3d on the new ones looks so nice
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ahh you make a point about the wvga, BUT the devs managed to port over manilla hd which is also wvga

xboxhaxorz said:
We should not buy their 2nd gen phones which are barely worth the upgrade, not to mention i would not even do an even exchange for the new phone. area.
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What ????? My contract with AT$T ( for my Tilt ) is up in April and I am on the new TP II/ Fuze II as fast as they can say, $199 and a new 2yr contract.
Phones, like computers, do not get upgraded every year, every two years or so for me. I don't think that HTC expects everyone who bought a TP or Diamond last summer to run out and buy a new TP II or Diamond II , but I do think that these phones are aimed towards those of us who bought Tilts in fall 2007. After months of " sorry, we've moved on " by many of our Kaiser brethren, it will be great to flaunt my new TP II with my new " tilt " screen.

My friends and I think that the recession is why this phone came out. Same parts, nothing much changed, but charging more money. That's my theory anyway.
And no, I don't want it. Bigger screen without a beefier processor. Terrible Gimped Keyboard. No Flash. No front D-Pad. Nothing I want there.
Also I got my Fuze in November, and AT&T sure as hell wouldn't let me get a new phone so soon. American Contracts are stupid, but so is the price of phones without a contract.

denco7 said:
What ????? My contract with AT$T ( for my Tilt ) is up in April and I am on the new TP II/ Fuze II as fast as they can say, $199 and a new 2yr contract.
Phones, like computers, do not get upgraded every year, every two years or so for me. I don't think that HTC expects everyone who bought a TP or Diamond last summer to run out and buy a new TP II or Diamond II , but I do think that these phones are aimed towards those of us who bought Tilts in fall 2007. After months of " sorry, we've moved on " by many of our Kaiser brethren, it will be great to flaunt my new TP II with my new " tilt " screen.
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i'm with you on this, main reason i didnt get a fuze is because i love my tilting screen. this provides me the fuze+tilt so i'm buying it day one att gets it.

same reason that I could care less about the extra features. Battery life is worse.
Only thing I like is the tilting screen, the integrated tf3d is awesome though, and the better resolution screen. That's it. No flash, no better camera, no wm6.5, no better ram or processor, etc. I hate the look of the keyboard.

DaPitt84 said:
same reason that I could care less about the extra features. Battery life is worse.
Only thing I like is the tilting screen, and the better resolution screen. That's it. No flash, no better camera, no wm6.5, no better ram or processor, etc. I hate the look of the keyboard.
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HTC have said they'll provide WM6.5 ROM updates to both the TP2 and the Diamond2.
The Diamond2 is a smaller version of the Blackstone, and the TP2 is the love child of the TP and a Blackstone.
I got a Diamond last time round, and will probably be getting a TP2 this year for the tilty goodness and the gorgeous looking screen.

Okay I agree with some points like:
1. if you can put a 5 MP cam in the Diamond 2 why not in the Touch Pro 2?? There is even more room for it! Furthermore I saw somebody wrote that they took away the cam on the front, dude, check your eyes, the cam is still there man! Furthermore it has FM radio, read somewhere that somebody complained it didn't, well it has!
2. The rest of the features are a little the same, conference mode is cool and also the speaker phone option, nice for handsfree calling...
3. I love the fact is has a bigger screen! Great for navigating in the car, browsing etc....
4. I agree that maybe this model is aimed for those who purchased or got a Tilt in the summer/fall 2007 and who's contract is expiring this summer/fall which might explain why this model has a tilted screen feature. I really loved this feature and really miss it with my Touch Pro!
5. The design I find is awesome, it gets a 10 from me, face it guys, stop winding, they delivered on the design part! Especially the weight has been reduced as well as the thickness, its just awesome, give the people some credit at the design department will you?!
I traded my Tilt for a Touch Pro last Christmas, so since my contract is ending in the fall (after 2 years), I will surely get this phone, and take a 1 year contract with it just in case they come with a newer model next year that totally blasts away this one! I guess the model of next year will have:
- a better processor 1 ghz or higher for example
- 1 GB ram and 512 or more MB ROM ?
- same screen I guess, WVGA is awesome man!
- 5 MP camera
- I hope they keep the tilt screen feature....
- I like the new TouchFLO3D as well, awesome!
- for the rest, I'm contented with the features, just needs more power!
Furthermore, dudes, to be honest with you, WM 6.5 looks disgusting!!!! When I saw it it almost made me hurl! I will wait for WM 7 and bypass 6.5.... they can't be seriously contemplating on bringing that fugly OS system man!
This was just my 2 cents on the matter, so I will be getting this phone come fall!

We may be looking at capacitive touch screens on these devices. That and the tilt feature on the TP2 will probably have me upgrading....

Is it just me or do you guys find the new Diamond and Touch Pro's kinda ugly compared to the current ones?! :O The metal casing and round corners turn me off, I love the look of the current Diamond and TP, they look more clean and streamlined with the flat black plastic and squarish corners. And there's no D-pad
Also the new TP is freaking HUGE, its almost like carrying a UMPC in your pocket.

master athlon said:
Is it just me or do you guys find the new Diamond and Touch Pro's kinda ugly compared to the current ones?! :O The metal casing and round corners turn me off, I love the look of the current Diamond and TP, they look more clean and streamlined with the flat black plastic and squarish corners. And there's no D-pad
Also the new TP is freaking HUGE, its almost like carrying a UMPC in your pocket.
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Sure beats carrying both a laptop and a phone. I, believe it or not, think the fuze is too small, considering the weight. I was more comfortable holding my tilt than the fuze. I liked the "tilt" of the screen, also. No d-pad? I got over that with my omnia. I'll miss having the flash, though-- no htorch!

whatledog said:
Sure beats carrying both a laptop and a phone. I, believe it or not, think the fuze is too small, considering the weight. I was more comfortable holding my tilt than the fuze. I liked the "tilt" of the screen, also. No d-pad? I got over that with my omnia. I'll miss having the flash, though-- no htorch!
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Yes indeed it does beat carrying two devices, but the fact that its a phone and not a laptop is what really bothers me about the size, although the TP isnt all that much smaller (well I just contradicted myself, didnt I ). But I do know what you mean about the Tilt being more comfortable, I also prefer phones that fit in my hand, thats why I hate such phones as the Motorola Razr, its just too dang skinny. Thats why I still favor my ETEN M600 over most 'normal' phones.
Maybe not having a D-pad is just one those things that you have to get used I guess, like you did with the Omnia, but Id still like to have a D-pad

Are you people under four feet? The Fuze feels nice in my hands. It's solid, it's built well, it's uniform in colour and design (especially with a black theme) and it's not flimsy in the slightest. I can feel it in my pocket too.
Now, I would like a larger screen, but everything else on the TP2 is not pretty looking. Also AT&T doesn't have 1 year plans.

thehyecircus said:
Are you people under four feet? The Fuze feels nice in my hands. It's solid, it's built well, it's uniform in colour and design (especially with a black theme) and it's not flimsy in the slightest. I can feel it in my pocket too.
Now, I would like a larger screen, but everything else on the TP2 is not pretty looking. Also AT&T doesn't have 1 year plans.
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In Holland we can choose between a 1 or 2 year contract, the difference is, with a 2 year you get it for free, with a 1 year you have pay a minimal amount... If in 2010 they come with a newer version with higher specs, then you have the choice to upgrade. I too feel that although the current TP is solid, compact etc. its a lot smaller than the kaiser/tilt and that did feel better in the hand. They can't please everyone but I do fine the design a lot better, but thats personal....

I was just looking at the TP2 on the HTC website, thinking that maybe or at least the processor speed was upgraded, but nothing. Not even the memory capacity. The only upgrade that I see is just the look of it, the "outside". So I guess I will agree on not getting one until they actually come with a better (not only looking), faster, bigger capacity and newer technology phone. Then I'll think about spending few hundred dollars on a new one.

@Sleuth
Sleuth255 said:
We may be looking at capacitive touch screens on these devices. That and the tilt feature on the TP2 will probably have me upgrading....
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Pardon the ignorance but, what do you mean by "capacitive" touchscreens?
I understand is a new tech, but what does it do?

DanQ said:
Pardon the ignorance but, what do you mean by "capacitive" touchscreens?
I understand is a new tech, but what does it do?
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Here you go, read this!
http://discuss.pocketnow.com/showthread.php?threadid=23389

DVP Or HD7?

I want to sell my Vibrant and get a Windows Phone 7 device. I'm currently on TMobile and I am looking at either the HD7 or Dell Venue Pro. I will be getting either one off contract since my contract is not up yet (bought the vibrant the day it came out, big mistake). Can I know the pros and cons of each of these devices? Thanks!

I own both the venue pro and the HD7 and while they are both good phones the Venue Pro is better in every aspect. also since you live in the US I would recommend buying on ebay. I have bought 2 venue pros new in box there for much cheaper than they are through dell. Anyways they are very similar in specs but if you watch the videos the venue pro is actually both quicker to load apps and quicker to render browser pages. It also has a AMOLED screen as opposed to the old fashioned screen on the HD7 providing more vibrant colors. The overall build quality of the venue pro is much better and the keyboard I thought I'd never touch on it has actually come in use more often than not. If you go venue pro you can often pick up an 8 gig venue pro and a 32 gig memory card for the same price as a new HD7 and perform the card swap yourself and get a phone with twice the memory and an overall better build. All in all if you have the choice go venue pro all the way. HD7 is good but certainly not AS good.

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I own both the venue pro and the HD7 and while they are both good phones the Venue Pro is better in every aspect. also since you live in the US I would recommend buying on ebay. I have bought 2 venue pros new in box there for much cheaper than they are through dell. Anyways they are very similar in specs but if you watch the videos the venue pro is actually both quicker to load apps and quicker to render browser pages. It also has a AMOLED screen as opposed to the old fashioned screen on the HD7 providing more vibrant colors. The overall build quality of the venue pro is much better and the keyboard I thought I'd never touch on it has actually come in use more often than not. If you go venue pro you can often pick up an 8 gig venue pro and a 32 gig memory card for the same price as a new HD7 and perform the card swap yourself and get a phone with twice the memory and an overall better build. All in all if you have the choice go venue pro all the way. HD7 is good but certainly not AS good.
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Ok thanks. Will look on ebay for the DVP, found someone on craigslist who might do a straight trade with me though (my vibrant for his DVP).

That's an awesome deal. If its a 16 gig I reccomend card swapping. The factory 16 gig memory cards in the dvp can cause issues. A 32 gig SanDisk runs amazingly though.

well i own the HD7 and my cousin owns the DVP and i can honestly say the DVP is better, smaller screen but the DVP's amoled has very rich colors compared to the HD7 which are good but as mentioned not as good. The portrait slide out keyboard is definatly a plus!! and feels alot more solid, EX the hd7's loose volume rocker, better materials and such. though the Hd7 has more memory when you buy it. 16gb vs 8gb the os is the same, but the DVP runs somewhat faster defintly noticeable when compared. but there is a WP7 update coming with a substantial speed boost. really it comes down to prefrence because the HD7 is a great phone aswell just not as good, the only downside to the DVp is that its only available online so you cant go to a tmobile store to fiddle around before buying :/

Either of those phones would be fine but I really can't speak for the DVP because I've never used one. I do have an HD7 and find it to be the best looking WP7 device yet. It took 4 HD7s to get one without flaws, though. The first one had cell connection problems. The second one had groups of dead pixels. The third one had particulates under the glass plate, on top of the LCD. I finally received a perfect one after going to a different store. The previous store was troubled with an Android fangirl.
My HD7 is a pure masterpiece of quality. It feels solid, sturdy and displays a gorgeous, realistically colored LCD. It has excellent sound quality through the HP port. It has a kickstand for watching videos and has the largest display of all the WP7 devices. At 4.3", it makes a big difference in eyestrain when watching for long periods. The difference is significant, too. On my iPhone with it's 3.5" display, my eyes will become very strained before reaching an hour into a movie. On my HD7, I can watch movie after movie and not have any problems. But 4.3" is the absolute minimum size for comfortable, strain-free video watching for me. And the kickstand makes the experience even sweeter. The HD7 comes with 16GB memory and is not upgradeable without voiding the warranty. And getting to the card is a bit complex...according to the online instructions I saw.
I don't know what the battery life on the DVP is, but the HD7 isn't all that great. I'm hoping MS will deal with BL in WP7.
I can't think of anything else. So good luck on whatever you choose.

I have both.
DVP:
+ Keyboard, which I use a lot similar to what others have stated
+ Beautiful screen
+ Build quality, overall looks etc.
+ Good speakers
+ Decent battery life
- Not tweakable since there is no registry write discovered yet, so no changing theme colors, IE search provider, etc
- Embarrassingly wretched bad camera, seriously unbelievable, horrifically bad
- No HQ from YouTube
- Piss-poor OEM-specific software (there is basically none)
HD7:
+ Acceptable camera, and can control the shutter sound
+ Tweakable, can change a variety of settings
+ Lighter/thinner
+ Proper YouTube with HQ support
+ Good apps from HTC, including Attentive Phone and Connection Setup
- Average or poor screen, especially with dark themes
- Build quality good, but not as good as DVP
- No keyboard
- Poor battery life
Bottom line is that I like or even love both phones, but I am still looking for my ideal WP7 device.

Yea, the DVP's camera is terrible. It's just unbelievable that Dell put that thing in that phone.
I don't know if I could cound the lack of a keyboard against the HD7 as a negative, though. Few WP7 phones even have a keyboard and with a 4.3" screen using the on screen keybaord isn't an issue.
The DVP's keyboard is good but it adds quite a bit of bulk to the phone, which is a factor for some. Also, it's a portrait slider, which isn't as practical as a landscape slider on phones this big. It makes the phone super big when you're typing.
I guess Dell went with plastics instead of metal because if the phone weighed anymore the risk of damage to the slider would go up factorably.

That's annoying that the Venue Pro can't change the theme or search provider... Not sure if I should still get it.

Having owned both phones I'd say the DVP, overall, is the better phone of the two. It has a more quality feel to it. Flatout the build quality is excellent. However, the curved screen annoyed me a bit, and is prone to more smudges than other phones I've owned. I loved the look of the HD7, but I can't say the same for its build quality though. I went through 3 devices before giving up. Having said that, I love big displays, giving up my 4.3 for a 4 saddened me a bit. I thought HTC Hub was pretty neat too. They've got some useful apps.

I've owned a DVP and an HD7. Overall i liked the DVP pro more, but i went through 4 of them before giving up on it. I found the phone to be quite defective and buggy in many areas, especially concerning wifi.
In the end i sold my 4th one and went with the HD7 just because of its stability.
HD7 is one of the best phones ive ever owned, the only gripe being the display. While fine and somewhat unoticable on it's own, when compared to AMOLED its just no contest. But i'll take that minor complaint over constant freezing and locking up anyday.
I recommend you read through the DVP forum here on XDA and decide if thats something you're willing to risk. For most people posting the phone is defective to the point of unusability. That matches up with my experience pretty accurately. There are of course those that have nothing but good things to say about it, so i suppose its possible to have a good experience with it. I wouldnt recommend it though.

Ok well, here is an update for everyone. The guy on craigslist with the Dell Venue Pro isn't replying to my messages, will see tomorrow what he says. I did find someone on craigslist willing to trade my vibrant for his hd7, straight trade. So, what would you guys do in my situation?
Would you trade:
My Vibrant + 100$ for a Venue Pro?
or
My vibrant For an HD7?
Or wait for the Nokia devices? Sorry for all the questions!

nickdog670 said:
That's annoying that the Venue Pro can't change the theme or search provider... Not sure if I should still get it.
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You can't change the Browser search provider on any WP7 phone. The option is non-existent and you have to hack the phone to do it. Changing the search provider on a WP7 device requires more labor than rooting and installing a custom ROM on an Android device. For just that, it's not even worth the effort, IMO.
That being said, if you get it straight from Dell, then shouldn't it come with set as the default for everything?

I know it's not a topic here really but as for me the ergonomy and the camera are important,
I wouldn't trade LG Optimus 7 for anything.
It is a very worthy option.
Very good camera and very good physical buttons. As opposed to HD7. Having physical Back and Search is a really great thing.
Plus the best OEM apps available from LG.
Maybe consider this too. 16GB built in. I think it's on top of current WP7 line.
Sorry for OT.

Here is a direct comparison of the two: http://anythingbutiphone.com/362
I have the DVP, and have to say even with its flaws, its still a good phone. Don't expect to use the camera, its pointless. Don't use high quality ear buds with them, hiss is overwhelming. It's bulky enough to think twice about a case, so know that going in. Other than that, the quality is excellent, the keyboard is one of the best, and the phone is solidly built.

A phone worth waiting for in WP7

I had the HTC mozart the first day it had released and absolutely fell in love with the OS.
I am approaching the end of my contract and was planning on another WP7.
I initially had plans to get the lumia but the lack of FFC and non removable battery is kind of holding me back (I had to take out the battery of the mozart quite a lot of time when it gets hanged and would prefer a new phone where I can take out the battery)
Which phone do you guys thing would be the best bet for WP7 (Anything in market or any phone which is going to be released soon)
Cheers
Shamreez
PS: Played with my friends Galaxy s 2 and that is a pretty tempting phone too

I recently picked up an HD7 for free on a 3 year plan and really like the phone. The 4.3" screen is nice and it doesn't lag at all. WP7 doesn't need huge specs to run well so I wouldn't let that concern you.

HD7 is nice...BUT!
bhenness said:
I recently picked up an HD7 for free on a 3 year plan and really like the phone. The 4.3" screen is nice and it doesn't lag at all. WP7 doesn't need huge specs to run well so I wouldn't let that concern you.
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However the HTC HD7 battery life really sucks. I'm not sure if it is just my device but I have already turned off ALL synchronizations. On the settings -> battery saver. A full charge only shows me that I have 15hours. The battery drains are really bad.

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However the HTC HD7 battery life really sucks. I'm not sure if it is just my device but I have already turned off ALL synchronizations. On the settings -> battery saver. A full charge only shows me that I have 15hours. The battery drains are really bad.
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We have two HD7's (wife) and have been very happy with the battery life. I have had them for a couple of months and have never run out of battery life in a single day. I always recharge at night anyway. Being a software dev I tend to push the phone pretty hard as well. However, I do turn off bluetooth when not in the car.
Overall I am very pleased, as I initially thought the 4.3" screen would suck the juice, but so far that hasn't been the case.

Titan. Not sure if you can get one where you are, but it's outstanding. I had a Focus, which I liked a great deal, but picked up the Titan to try out. Was intending to return it, as I expected it to be just too big, but I love it.
It's funny, when I go back to look at my Focus, I think of how small it is .

of the devices right available now, the titan (giant screen, fairly thin, great build materials) or the focus s (excellent screen, super thin, super light) are the best choices if you want a large screen (and if you can get them where you live and work on your networks)
the only device that is upcoming that interests me right now is the nokia ace (lumia 900)

Ditto on on the Titan.
I picked up both a Radar and a Titan. I actually loved the Radar, and it would be a great choice for someone who needed more of a mid-range phone and is happy with a more compact size.
But the Titan is simply awesome. Windows Phone really comes to life on that huge screen. The Titan is the one I kept.

Lumia 900 I'm predicting LTE modem since its said to come with windows phone tango.
You'll have to wait a few months though...
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So I guess the best thing would be to go for the titan now or wait for the Nokai Ace.
(I am prepared to wait if it is 2 - 3 months) but I guess it would be more (Or would Nokia try to disturb Apple iphone 5 party by releasing it on March)

I have the hd7 now and love it... I definatly am not getting a white phone(titan).
I have yet to see an omg I need that phone. Like I did with the hd2 and hd7.
Im in the same boat as you though. I would sell the hd7 and get another phone while the hd7 is still holding its value but there is nothing standing out from the rest.. 2nd gen devices dont have HSPL yet, there specs arent far greater than 1st gen anyway..
Nokia does seem like they will be putting out some really nice phones though. But come on its Nokia, Id love to see HTC put out something to compete with Nokia's phones I have a feeling they will be coming out with. Ive own HTC phones since my ppc-6700(remember that block) and I think their quality is really good.

shamreez said:
So I guess the best thing would be to go for the titan now or wait for the Nokai Ace.
(I am prepared to wait if it is 2 - 3 months) but I guess it would be more (Or would Nokia try to disturb Apple iphone 5 party by releasing it on March)
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I think those choices would be the best ones you can make. I'd go for the Titan. It has a good battery life, great build quality, it's thinner than the HD7 and the screen's massive.
The things one can hear concerning the Nokia Ace are cool too. But I also think that you'll have to wait more than 2 or 3 months until it's released. iPhone 5 releases are just speculation - normally Apple releases it in july (after the WWDC) but for example the iPhone 4S was released later. If I was you, I'd take the Titan and be happy

For Wp i would choose phone from Htc, i have 7 trophy, and i am very happy.

WP8 devices to be announced ... and 8x - is that it?

Hey guys,
Sorry to post my question here and not in the Windows Phone 8 section, but it appears like I don't have permission to -.-
Anyways. Does anyone have information on what WP8 devices are still to come by HTC, or maybe Microsoft itself?
I mean the 8X is pretty good, but certainly not a flagship device. (and the Lumia 920 is much too heavy and ugly - my opinion)
The screen size is ok, if the device was 7mm narrower and at least 1cm shorter. (rumor has it that HTC initially wanted to install a larger one) I do actually like the 4.3" 16:9 HD display, mainly because of the dpi. Then there is the missing gyroscope. - I mean wtf HTC? You can't tell me there was not enough space for it, or you wanted to keep the price lower... Also an issue is the design. I love the material it feels really good, also the shape of the back is pleasant and makes it feel much thinner than it actually is, but then there are those ugly colors (as long as there is a black one, I don't mind) and much more importantly - why is there a ~ 5mm thick polycarbonate surrounding of the glass? That would only be acceptable if the display had no "glass surrounding" (I hope you understand what I mean) itself - maybe that's another evidence for an intended larger display. And of course the missing microsdxc card slot in combination with only 16 GB onboard storage... I just can’t understand how HTC can make great and innovative devices like the Droid DNA, or the HD2 and on the other hand throw some half-hearted smartphones like the 8x on the market. – It is too good to call it a piece of shít, but not good enough to get really excited about it. It would actually fit in very good if there was a real flagship, which doesn’t have the named issues…
Windows phone deserves much better – not only from HTC but also from Nokia and Samsung (although they were always only good for hardware-components, not for whole devices)
Sorry I had to let off some steam, but I was really excited about the new Windows Phone 8 Smartphones, an then they all just suck in some ways.

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@don728871 LOL thanks, great answer
But I just heared about HTC to most likely announce the Titan III early in 2013.
If the rumor is correct, it's going to be HTC's real WP8 flagship! Since there have always been three WP8 smartphone codenames: "Rio"=8s, "Accord"=8x and the "Zenith" which I dearly hope to be the Titan III.
Specs known so far: 4.7" super LCD2 Display and quad-core processor.
Please, HTC let this be real and don't make the Titan III look like a toy too...

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@don728871 LOL thanks, great answer
But I just heared about HTC to most likely announce the Titan III early in 2013.
If the rumor is correct, it's going to be HTC's real WP8 flagship! Since there have always been three WP8 smartphone codenames: "Rio"=8s, "Accord"=8x and the "Zenith" which I dearly hope to be the Titan III.
Specs known so far: 4.7" super LCD2 Display and quad-core processor.
Please, HTC let this be real and don't make the Titan III look like a toy too...
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If the Titan 3 comes out, some people with the 8x will be pissed. one x and one x+ Remember those?

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If the Titan 3 comes out, some people with the 8x will be pissed. one x and one x+ Remember those?
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Just like Sensation and Sensation XE...

Not sure if I'd be upset if the Titan 3 comes around, unless it has the extra amp like the 8x Even then I wouldn't break down in tears!
Unless it has a much bigger battery *and* SD slot. Then I would start to foam haha

From note 2 to lumia 1020

Anyone can comment on going from a much bigger screen phone like the note 2's 5.5 inch, to the much smaller 4.5 inch of the lumia 1020? This was honestly my biggest complaint about the lumia 1020. I cant really see myself using a screen smaller than 4,7 inches. I tried out the lumia 1020 at the store and when i put my finger on it to change settings or view a recent photo, it just consumed the whole screen. Its hard to judge screen size at the store (my ipad feels way bigger at home then the ones on display). I dunno if i'll get used to it or not. I've owned much smaller phones, like the 3.3 inch samsung wave, but going bigger is easier than going smaller i would imagine.

katamari201 said:
Anyone can comment on going from a much bigger screen phone like the note 2's 5.5 inch, to the much smaller 4.5 inch of the lumia 1020? This was honestly my biggest complaint about the lumia 1020. I cant really see myself using a screen smaller than 4,7 inches. I tried out the lumia 1020 at the store and when i put my finger on it to change settings or view a recent photo, it just consumed the whole screen. Its hard to judge screen size at the store (my ipad feels way bigger at home then the ones on display). I dunno if i'll get used to it or not. I've owned much smaller phones, like the 3.3 inch samsung wave, but going bigger is easier than going smaller i would imagine.
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I have a Droid DNA that I use (that's a 5 inch screen), and I have no issues going back and forth between that and my 1020. Then again, I was never a huge fan of the bigger sized screens anyway. The screens on the Galaxy Note are way too big in my opinion. Even the DNA can get a little weird at times (thankfully its not my primary device).
I think the 4.5 inch area works the best for me. So I'm happy with it. It feels like a great middle ground between a sleeker and more compact phone but still having a larger screen.

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Lumia 1020 from Note 2.
Very Diferent?

I have both phones. You will miss the bigger screen and many features from android. The 1020 is nice hardware but screen is smaller and when browsing you really notice it.

sabre31 said:
I have both phones. You will miss the bigger screen and many features from android. The 1020 is nice hardware but screen is smaller and when browsing you really notice it.
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I am still afraid of downsizing by a whole inch. It's hard to judge the impact until you actually start using the phone personally. The S4 at 5" feels small. The Lumia at 4.5" the viewfinder when taking pictures looked really small. And just tapping it with my big thumbs...

katamari201 said:
I am still afraid of downsizing by a whole inch. It's hard to judge the impact until you actually start using the phone personally. The S4 at 5" feels small. The Lumia at 4.5" the viewfinder when taking pictures looked really small. And just tapping it with my big thumbs...
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I have both the phones and i can tell you it is very difficult to move from 5.5 inch to 4.5 inch and windows phone OS as much as i love the hardware and the camera. I really love the 5.5 inch screen and longer battery life on Note 2

it's windows phone....

I am not one for digging up obscure rumors from the corners of the internet, but NokiaPowerUser claims their sources say at least two or three versions of the Nokia phabet are being tested, one having the regular 8.7MP camera, and another having the 41MP camera. Previous leaks of the Lumia 1020 had pictures of both the plastic shell and a large metal body. We know which one it turned out to be in the end, but the large metal one is still intriguing as the hole in the back is quite a bit smaller than the plastic one, meaning the phone itself is bigger, and could be the phablet with 41MP sensor. Does anyone know how credible NokiaPowerUser and their sources are?
I am still waiting off on buying the Lumia 1020. The price is just too expensive, and I've been to the AT&T store 4 times already to try it out. Each time I pick it up the small screen and thick bezels really annoy me to no end. The black one looks even more archaic, since it adds to the black surround and makes the screen look even SMALLER. It also always looks like part of the screen on the bottom is cut off, because the bezel on the bottom is just so gigantic and that the screen should've extended further down. The squat aspect ratio doesn't work for a long phone. It's some weird design decision by Nokia I don't understand.
The cam pro app also annoys me. The top bar with all the settings listed just blocks everything on an already small view finder. Nokia could have shoved it to the very top edge, flattened it, and removed the "bar" 3D look blocking everything and just had the numbers overlaying over the screen. The previous image on the top left is also unintuitive. The phone shutter is on the right side, and the control dial is on the right side. It would stand to reason the right hand is for touching and tapping and pushing and the left hand to hold the phone. But having that image preview on the top left means you either have to stretch your right thumb across the screen to the top left, or loosen your left thumb to tap it and lose the bottom support it provides.
A phablet with the 41MP sensor isn't that ideal for me either, but I'll take it a million times over the Lumia 1020. I like the 5" and 5.2" sizes more. The Note 2 is already a bit unwieldy in many instances. I am quite smitten with the 5.2" screen that LG just showed off in the LG G2. It looks like the perfect combo for screensize/portability and the screen quality and viewing angles look more amazing than anything out there right now, including any and all AMOLEDs and the HTC One's screen.

FinancialWar said:
it's windows phone....
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Its a Samsung...

LastBattle said:
Its a Samsung...
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Who are currently the largest the phone maker and makes the best phones

FinancialWar said:
Who are currently the largest the phone maker and makes the best phones
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Thank goodness opinions are subjective. Haha.

I'm waiting on the Nokia phablet ?
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prjkthack said:
Thank goodness opinions are subjective. Haha.
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these are facts. google them, facts don't lie

I don't have the 1020, but I went from the Note 2 to the 920 and I missed the bigger screen. Now I'm back to a giant in the LG Optimus G Pro
I am really excited about the Pureview tech but I'm also holding offf until either the price comes down or I get sick of Android.
BTW if anybody wants to know what is TOO big in a phone, try the Galaxy Mega. I picked one of those up and tried to use it for a day. While I enjoyed sitting on the coach with it, putting it in a pocket was just ridiculous. It literally hurt to sit down with it in there if you know what I mean?
I think 5.5 inches is the magic number for me to still keep it "portable". I realize there are those that never put their phone in their pocket anyway, so different strokes for different folks. For me either I have 1 device that still fits in my pants pocket, or as much as I hate to admit it, maybe 2 devices is the answer; a great smaller phone and a tablet. In that case, a 41 megapixel Nokia tablet sounds pretty good

stiffi2011 said:
I don't have the 1020, but I went from the Note 2 to the 920 and I missed the bigger screen. Now I'm back to a giant in the LG Optimus G Pro
I am really excited about the Pureview tech but I'm also holding offf until either the price comes down or I get sick of Android.
BTW if anybody wants to know what is TOO big in a phone, try the Galaxy Mega. I picked one of those up and tried to use it for a day. While I enjoyed sitting on the coach with it, putting it in a pocket was just ridiculous. It literally hurt to sit down with it in there if you know what I mean?
I think 5.5 inches is the magic number for me to still keep it "portable". I realize there are those that never put their phone in their pocket anyway, so different strokes for different folks. For me either I have 1 device that still fits in my pants pocket, or as much as I hate to admit it, maybe 2 devices is the answer; a great smaller phone and a tablet. In that case, a 41 megapixel Nokia tablet sounds pretty good
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I went from note 2 to the 1020. Im not really suffering because of screen size. But i am hurting from the O.S. Its the little things that i miss, easy toggles, swype, a decent dialer, ad block, can' t connect to my school wifi, custom message ring tones, smart alarm, note 2 battery life, and a working barcode scanner for fitness-pal app. Oh and i'm damned tired of my phone telling me what i can and can't use data for. I've hit quite a few restrictions on the phone just because i wasn't connected to wifi. Kinda silly.. yeah throw me a warning by all means but don't just take the choice out of my hands.
So that rant aside, the camera on this phone is stellar. Nothing like it on any other phone. It's really hard to tell just how much a camera can make on impact on you without trying it out for yourself. Its Night and Day compared to other smartphone cameras. And the UI + social + cloud integration is just perfect. Metro is ridiculously sexy and smooth. haven't run into one hiccup yet. Not going to go into further detail here but the camera and physical/software quality is almost enough to keep me from jumping to the next big thing these holidays.

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I had Note 2 and it was too big for a phone. I then moved to iPhone 5 and sport a Lumia 920. 920 has perfect screen size. iPhone's 4" display is not bad too, even though it is not even HD.
Oh yes, opinions are subjective. I can say Lumia 920 is still the best phone considering the price, performance and camera, but many will disagree.

I am using a Lumia 920, very good phone, I will get the 1020 as soon as it comes out in Singapore. 8.7 and 41 mega pixel are very far apart... I will still keep my 920.
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