I want to sell my Vibrant and get a Windows Phone 7 device. I'm currently on TMobile and I am looking at either the HD7 or Dell Venue Pro. I will be getting either one off contract since my contract is not up yet (bought the vibrant the day it came out, big mistake). Can I know the pros and cons of each of these devices? Thanks!
I own both the venue pro and the HD7 and while they are both good phones the Venue Pro is better in every aspect. also since you live in the US I would recommend buying on ebay. I have bought 2 venue pros new in box there for much cheaper than they are through dell. Anyways they are very similar in specs but if you watch the videos the venue pro is actually both quicker to load apps and quicker to render browser pages. It also has a AMOLED screen as opposed to the old fashioned screen on the HD7 providing more vibrant colors. The overall build quality of the venue pro is much better and the keyboard I thought I'd never touch on it has actually come in use more often than not. If you go venue pro you can often pick up an 8 gig venue pro and a 32 gig memory card for the same price as a new HD7 and perform the card swap yourself and get a phone with twice the memory and an overall better build. All in all if you have the choice go venue pro all the way. HD7 is good but certainly not AS good.
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I own both the venue pro and the HD7 and while they are both good phones the Venue Pro is better in every aspect. also since you live in the US I would recommend buying on ebay. I have bought 2 venue pros new in box there for much cheaper than they are through dell. Anyways they are very similar in specs but if you watch the videos the venue pro is actually both quicker to load apps and quicker to render browser pages. It also has a AMOLED screen as opposed to the old fashioned screen on the HD7 providing more vibrant colors. The overall build quality of the venue pro is much better and the keyboard I thought I'd never touch on it has actually come in use more often than not. If you go venue pro you can often pick up an 8 gig venue pro and a 32 gig memory card for the same price as a new HD7 and perform the card swap yourself and get a phone with twice the memory and an overall better build. All in all if you have the choice go venue pro all the way. HD7 is good but certainly not AS good.
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Ok thanks. Will look on ebay for the DVP, found someone on craigslist who might do a straight trade with me though (my vibrant for his DVP).
That's an awesome deal. If its a 16 gig I reccomend card swapping. The factory 16 gig memory cards in the dvp can cause issues. A 32 gig SanDisk runs amazingly though.
well i own the HD7 and my cousin owns the DVP and i can honestly say the DVP is better, smaller screen but the DVP's amoled has very rich colors compared to the HD7 which are good but as mentioned not as good. The portrait slide out keyboard is definatly a plus!! and feels alot more solid, EX the hd7's loose volume rocker, better materials and such. though the Hd7 has more memory when you buy it. 16gb vs 8gb the os is the same, but the DVP runs somewhat faster defintly noticeable when compared. but there is a WP7 update coming with a substantial speed boost. really it comes down to prefrence because the HD7 is a great phone aswell just not as good, the only downside to the DVp is that its only available online so you cant go to a tmobile store to fiddle around before buying :/
Either of those phones would be fine but I really can't speak for the DVP because I've never used one. I do have an HD7 and find it to be the best looking WP7 device yet. It took 4 HD7s to get one without flaws, though. The first one had cell connection problems. The second one had groups of dead pixels. The third one had particulates under the glass plate, on top of the LCD. I finally received a perfect one after going to a different store. The previous store was troubled with an Android fangirl.
My HD7 is a pure masterpiece of quality. It feels solid, sturdy and displays a gorgeous, realistically colored LCD. It has excellent sound quality through the HP port. It has a kickstand for watching videos and has the largest display of all the WP7 devices. At 4.3", it makes a big difference in eyestrain when watching for long periods. The difference is significant, too. On my iPhone with it's 3.5" display, my eyes will become very strained before reaching an hour into a movie. On my HD7, I can watch movie after movie and not have any problems. But 4.3" is the absolute minimum size for comfortable, strain-free video watching for me. And the kickstand makes the experience even sweeter. The HD7 comes with 16GB memory and is not upgradeable without voiding the warranty. And getting to the card is a bit complex...according to the online instructions I saw.
I don't know what the battery life on the DVP is, but the HD7 isn't all that great. I'm hoping MS will deal with BL in WP7.
I can't think of anything else. So good luck on whatever you choose.
I have both.
DVP:
+ Keyboard, which I use a lot similar to what others have stated
+ Beautiful screen
+ Build quality, overall looks etc.
+ Good speakers
+ Decent battery life
- Not tweakable since there is no registry write discovered yet, so no changing theme colors, IE search provider, etc
- Embarrassingly wretched bad camera, seriously unbelievable, horrifically bad
- No HQ from YouTube
- Piss-poor OEM-specific software (there is basically none)
HD7:
+ Acceptable camera, and can control the shutter sound
+ Tweakable, can change a variety of settings
+ Lighter/thinner
+ Proper YouTube with HQ support
+ Good apps from HTC, including Attentive Phone and Connection Setup
- Average or poor screen, especially with dark themes
- Build quality good, but not as good as DVP
- No keyboard
- Poor battery life
Bottom line is that I like or even love both phones, but I am still looking for my ideal WP7 device.
Yea, the DVP's camera is terrible. It's just unbelievable that Dell put that thing in that phone.
I don't know if I could cound the lack of a keyboard against the HD7 as a negative, though. Few WP7 phones even have a keyboard and with a 4.3" screen using the on screen keybaord isn't an issue.
The DVP's keyboard is good but it adds quite a bit of bulk to the phone, which is a factor for some. Also, it's a portrait slider, which isn't as practical as a landscape slider on phones this big. It makes the phone super big when you're typing.
I guess Dell went with plastics instead of metal because if the phone weighed anymore the risk of damage to the slider would go up factorably.
That's annoying that the Venue Pro can't change the theme or search provider... Not sure if I should still get it.
Having owned both phones I'd say the DVP, overall, is the better phone of the two. It has a more quality feel to it. Flatout the build quality is excellent. However, the curved screen annoyed me a bit, and is prone to more smudges than other phones I've owned. I loved the look of the HD7, but I can't say the same for its build quality though. I went through 3 devices before giving up. Having said that, I love big displays, giving up my 4.3 for a 4 saddened me a bit. I thought HTC Hub was pretty neat too. They've got some useful apps.
I've owned a DVP and an HD7. Overall i liked the DVP pro more, but i went through 4 of them before giving up on it. I found the phone to be quite defective and buggy in many areas, especially concerning wifi.
In the end i sold my 4th one and went with the HD7 just because of its stability.
HD7 is one of the best phones ive ever owned, the only gripe being the display. While fine and somewhat unoticable on it's own, when compared to AMOLED its just no contest. But i'll take that minor complaint over constant freezing and locking up anyday.
I recommend you read through the DVP forum here on XDA and decide if thats something you're willing to risk. For most people posting the phone is defective to the point of unusability. That matches up with my experience pretty accurately. There are of course those that have nothing but good things to say about it, so i suppose its possible to have a good experience with it. I wouldnt recommend it though.
Ok well, here is an update for everyone. The guy on craigslist with the Dell Venue Pro isn't replying to my messages, will see tomorrow what he says. I did find someone on craigslist willing to trade my vibrant for his hd7, straight trade. So, what would you guys do in my situation?
Would you trade:
My Vibrant + 100$ for a Venue Pro?
or
My vibrant For an HD7?
Or wait for the Nokia devices? Sorry for all the questions!
nickdog670 said:
That's annoying that the Venue Pro can't change the theme or search provider... Not sure if I should still get it.
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You can't change the Browser search provider on any WP7 phone. The option is non-existent and you have to hack the phone to do it. Changing the search provider on a WP7 device requires more labor than rooting and installing a custom ROM on an Android device. For just that, it's not even worth the effort, IMO.
That being said, if you get it straight from Dell, then shouldn't it come with set as the default for everything?
I know it's not a topic here really but as for me the ergonomy and the camera are important,
I wouldn't trade LG Optimus 7 for anything.
It is a very worthy option.
Very good camera and very good physical buttons. As opposed to HD7. Having physical Back and Search is a really great thing.
Plus the best OEM apps available from LG.
Maybe consider this too. 16GB built in. I think it's on top of current WP7 line.
Sorry for OT.
Here is a direct comparison of the two: http://anythingbutiphone.com/362
I have the DVP, and have to say even with its flaws, its still a good phone. Don't expect to use the camera, its pointless. Don't use high quality ear buds with them, hiss is overwhelming. It's bulky enough to think twice about a case, so know that going in. Other than that, the quality is excellent, the keyboard is one of the best, and the phone is solidly built.
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So I am brand new to the whole smart phone market. My old phone took a poo and decided to not work so I figured it was a great time to upgrade and join the new era of smart phones.
I knew nothing about smart phones but knew Ihad to go with t-mobile so I could be undercontract with my gf.
HD2 was all over the the tv/internet so I thought it was the new badass phone so I figured I would just got for it.
When I went to the t-mobile stand they didnt have any because they were selling so fast. I looked at their options and got the mytouch 3g. Brought the phone home and had a blast with the android market, it was so easy to use. Couple days later I went back to buy a case for the mytouch 3g but when I got to the stand they said they just got 6 HD2s in and I could trade in for it. Since it was the phone I wanted I did it.
Took my new HD2 hope and started to mess with it, confused as heck, way different with windows mobile. The phone was fast looked amazing but was not as fun.
Now Im torn what to do.
I guess what Im really trying to do is get input from people who know the market and how these phones will go. Will the HD2 be able to compete with the android market at all? A buddy said Microsoft trys to hard with Windows Mobile to compete but they always fall behind when it comes to phones. Or will the Android market just stay way ahead of the curve?
Thats my rant, I just dont want to regret trading in my HD2 because its still so new on the market.
just got rid of mine...ive dealt with windows mobile too much...i loved the phone but without android on it i feel its not worth it...ive got android on my xperia x1 and love it...just wish i had the big screen like the hd2...i personally suggest you get the nexus one...its an overall better phone and has a fairly big screen along with android....your best bet for now atleast
The HD2 is really nice and fast, but honestly, android is still sort of BETA still. You know what i'm saying? They haven't established completely like Apple. evenutally , Android market will be filled with neat stuff.
I think android is way better than windows mobile.
maybe not apple by games, but eventualy and hopefully, android gets better games and graphics.
And your right, maybe HD2 isn't the "right" time to get it now because it's still new. The android market is still damn new too!
Thanks to Google's unrestricted (like Apple) market, we will eventually take over
I agree I do like the Nexus one from what I have researched but the problem is its $530. Even though Im a new t-mobile customer I still have to get Googles t-mobile 1 person plan for the reduced rate when Im on a family plan atm.
if you are beyond the point where you can return your phone, I would be interested in getting it off your hands. I love the HD2. My wife has it and it is beyond fast. Flashed a custom rom on it and even the splash screen is cool.
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the nexus one...its an overall better phone
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No.
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the only reason i using HD2 cus of the huge 4.3" screen!, it so comfortable for the eyes!
i hate the freaking capacitive screen! sometime you need to zoom in the texts AS BIG as your finger for it to responds!
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Maybe for U, but for many the N1 is state of the art & much better!
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Maybe for U, but for many the N1 is state of the art & much better!
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No.
Especially to the state-of-the-art part. The HD2 has a better screen than the Nexus One. The HD2 has more hardware RAM than the Nexus One.
The choice is simply Android OS on the Nexus One vs. WinMo on the HD2. The Nexus One's only hardware advantage is the noise-cancellation via the auxiliary microphone, and the trackball that not many actually use. Screen and hardware RAM are probably a bigger deal though.
The EVO 4G is probably the only Android phone from HTC worth getting right now since it doesn't have the god-awful Pentile AMOLED display they use in the Nexus One, Incredible, and Desire.
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No.
Especially to the state-of-the-art part. The HD2 has a better screen than the Nexus One. The HD2 has more hardware RAM than the Nexus One.
The choice is simply Android OS on the Nexus One vs. WinMo on the HD2. The Nexus One's only hardware advantage is the noise-cancellation via the auxiliary microphone, and the trackball that not many actually use. Screen and hardware RAM are probably a bigger deal though.
The EVO 4G is probably the only Android phone from HTC worth getting right now since it doesn't have the god-awful Pentile AMOLED display they use in the Nexus One, Incredible, and Desire.
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someone sounds bitter.
the screen is a matter of opinion, and it sounds like you've been reading too many tech blogs.
i've compared them both, and i prefer the screen on the Nexus, and so has everyone else that has compared their screen to the AMOLED display on the Nexus. (providing you keep it out of the sunlight)
both the Nexus and HD2 have 512MB of ram(yes, i'm aware the US HD2 has slightly more), and Android is far better with memory management then WM is anyway, so that's a non issue.
and i used my trackball all the time. and who can complain about an extra hardware feature? just dont use it if you don't want it. a legitimate complaint would be the capacitive buttons. those are a PITA until you get used to them.
to the OP, buy the phone you want. but if you liked the mytouch you will LOVE the Nexus. there is absolutely no comparison between the two.
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the screen is a matter of opinion, and it sounds like you've been reading too many tech blogs.
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screen size does matter!
i used sony x1 with 3" screen, then Acer neotouch with 3.8 screen, now hd2 with huge 4.3" screen! you can see the different! bigger is better! just try to upgrade your pc monitor to bigger size, and you will see alot more comfortable to the eyes!
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someone sounds bitter.
the screen is a matter of opinion, and it sounds like you've been reading too many tech blogs.
i've compared them both, and i prefer the screen on the Nexus, and so has everyone else that has compared their screen to the AMOLED display on the Nexus. (providing you keep it out of the sunlight)
both the Nexus and HD2 have 512MB of ram(yes, i'm aware the US HD2 has slightly more), and Android is far better with memory management then WM is anyway, so that's a non issue.
and i used my trackball all the time. and who can complain about an extra hardware feature? just dont use it if you don't want it. a legitimate complaint would be the capacitive buttons. those are a PITA until you get used to them.
to the OP, buy the phone you want. but if you liked the mytouch you will LOVE the Nexus. there is absolutely no comparison between the two.
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All HD2s have 576MB of RAM, not 512MB. The only exception is the Prototype HTC HD2s (Pro.Three) which have 384MB of RAM or thereabouts.
The Nexus One's screen is inferior not only in terms of size but also in terms of color accuracy, sunlight legibility (as you mentioned), and effective resolution. It possesses higher contrast and is comparable in terms of viewing angles, battery life, and power consumption. Yes, I have also seen both devices -- I owned the Nexus One previously.
Also forgot to mention the Nexus One has a bigger battery, but I'm not sure you'd be able to tell with what I've seen.
Don't get me wrong, the Nexus One is a great device. But there is no excuse for arguing the fallacy that the Nexus One is superior hardware to the HD2 -- this is simply not the case. That is a matter of software alone.
Ok so I'm fed up with the garbage that us Canadians have in terms of WP7 launch devices. I hate that every year we end up with the crap phones while T-Mobile and others get all the great ones.
So I'm considering ending my 10 yr run with Telus and reducing my monthly bill in half by trying out either Mobilicity or Wind Mobile. At the same time I have the additional benefits of choosing from any of T-Mobile's phones for use here.
So that leaves me to choose now between the HTC HD7 and the Dell Venue Pro. I am completely up to date on the rumours, bugs and issues each device has. I just need to know for all of you which device you think I should choose (even if it means waiting until Jan).
Btw I am a previous owner of the HD2 and loved it aside from the glitchy OS. And currently using an iPhone 4 as my temp phone (barf).
I was waiting for the DVP but got an HD7 because it was available and I think support would be better with a physical store to perform exchanges. The DVP has obvious advantages like the scratch resistant glass, keyboard and AMOLED screen but even with the shortcomings of the HD7 like battery life, pink tint on the camera (which I can remove using Windows Live Photo Gallery) and LCD screen I am enjoying the OS immensely. Even the recent antenna issue I can cope with and I have ordered a silicone case.
The big unknown is if Dell can deliver a device that works well enough that it would only need a few software updates to fix and until they release it no one can tell. But for those who have had both the DVP seems to be the preferred choice so if you can wait it may be the one for you. Follow the #dellvenuepro tag on twitter to get the latest news and user impressions, best source of info on the DVP vs HD7.
I would say Dell Venue Pro, despite all the current launch problems.
The Dell has a great Amoled screen + Qwerty keyboard.
EDIT: I thought the Dell Venu Pro had flash NAND storage. Apparently not.
The Dell's memory is provided completely by SD card, there is no NAND memory onboard. And while the HD7 camera certainly isn't the best available it beats the Dell in irts current form hands down.
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The Dell's memory is provided completely by SD card, there is no NAND memory onboard. And while the HD7 camera certainly isn't the best available it beats the Dell in irts current form hands down.
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Oh really. Sorry then. I was sure it had
I will edit my previous post.
T-Mobile doesn't have the Dell Venue Pro, they only have the HD7, but I find the HD7 to be the choice phone even if the Dell were available. The HD7 is basically a beautified HD2 with it s black-chrome surround, silver mesh inserts at top and bottom that also conduct sound from the rear speaker. The kickstand is superior to the one on the HTC Evo and the overall build quality of the HD7 is superb. Granted, I had 3 previous HD7s before the one I now have. The first three were faulty and now I have one that is 99.99% perfect. The .01% shortfall is due to a tiny dent or deformity along the rear edge of the chrome surround. If it wasn't for that, this would be a perfect phone.
However, even with the 3 faulty HD7s prior to this one, I still chose to have one because of the gorgeousness and style as well as the excellent hardware specs. If the Dell's AMOLED is anything like other AMOLEDs, I wouldn't have chosen it because of the lack of small text detail. AMOLED is great for movies and pictures but poor for text detail. I saw a Samsung Focus at a local AT&T and was stricken by how much less attractive the main page tiles were in comparison to the other two offerings which used regular LCD tech. The tiles of the AMOLED seemd to have color bleed or a lack of sharpness to the pixels.
If you are mainly into movies and pictures on the device, the Dell might be more pleasing for you with its AMOLED. If you are more into an information device, where text definition is important, the HD7 would be the better choice. I love the style of the Dell, but I love the style of the HD7 more.
I say neither.
Dell Venue Pro
I've been using the HD7 for a bit over a week now and it's really a well built device.
I should warn though that it has a major flaw - the battery. My phone was fully charged this about 7am this morning, no calls and just 10mins of internet browsing. Battery died at 6pm. I'll be swapping it for the Venue Pro when that comes out.
I should warn that I have no idea how the DVP battery will hold up, but as a starter, the smaller screen will help.
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I've been using the HD7 for a bit over a week now and it's really a well built device.
I should warn though that it has a major flaw - the battery. My phone was fully charged this about 7am this morning, no calls and just 10mins of internet browsing. Battery died at 6pm. I'll be swapping it for the Venue Pro when that comes out.
I should warn that I have no idea how the DVP battery will hold up, but as a starter, the smaller screen will help.
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To conserve battery life, turn off the GPS. I do this and only use GPS when it's needed...like in the car, where I have it plugged into power. Major battery saver.
imoses44 said:
I've been using the HD7 for a bit over a week now and it's really a well built device.
I should warn though that it has a major flaw - the battery. My phone was fully charged this about 7am this morning, no calls and just 10mins of internet browsing. Battery died at 6pm. I'll be swapping it for the Venue Pro when that comes out.
I should warn that I have no idea how the DVP battery will hold up, but as a starter, the smaller screen will help.
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how are you going to swap it? By the time the dell is available, you will be past t-mobile's 2week return window....
I wanted the dell VP until it had all the launch problems. I think HTC is a better mobile phone manufacturer.
Great feedback everyone..
Seems like the poll is leaning towards the DVP but comments seem to lean towards the HD7..
I used to own the HD2 so I remember all too well the battery issues. But I was the guy with the extra charger on my desk at work at left it plugged in all day long so I quickly became used to it. I do miss the larger screen especially when compared to this temporary 3.5" screen.
Viewing pictures, surfing the net and playing games (so mostly media) would be where most of my time would be spent on this phone. Really the only thing I like on DVP over the HD7 is AMOLED screen and believe it or not the styling.
Can anyone say for certain whether or not the screen on the HD7 is actually an improvement over the HD2? And if so if it would be a noticeable improvement?
The screens on the HD2 and HD7 are identical, I have Transformers on both devices and pausing at the same screen shows them to be using the same screen.
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I say neither.
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really man... if you've got nothing to contribute, don't bother. i'm sick of seeing you do this on every place that ask these sorts of questions.
as for which to get, i would probably go with HD7 as the on screen keyboard is massive enough that not having physical keys would be close to a non-issue.
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The screens on the HD2 and HD7 are identical, I have Transformers on both devices and pausing at the same screen shows them to be using the same screen.
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Wow that's a bit of a disappointment since they claim the HD7 sports a "Super" LCD screen. I do remember the washed out screen on my HD2.
Maybe the bigger issue is that I'm impatient and feel like waiting for January for a DVP only to POSSIBLY find out it's still plagued with more issues.
Besides isn't the DVP the heaviest of the bunch?
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Wow that's a bit of a disappointment since they claim the HD7 sports a "Super" LCD screen. I do remember the washed out screen on my HD2.
Maybe the bigger issue is that I'm impatient and feel like waiting for January for a DVP only to POSSIBLY find out it's still plagued with more issues.
Besides isn't the DVP the heaviest of the bunch?
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I've never seen specs or reviews claiming the HD7 has a SLCD. Do you have a link I can look at?
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really man... if you've got nothing to contribute, don't bother. i'm sick of seeing you do this on every place that ask these sorts of questions.
as for which to get, i would probably go with HD7 as the on screen keyboard is massive enough that not having physical keys would be close to a non-issue.
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It's my opinion and if I had to choose, I'd choose to wait. Plain and simple. I'm hoping that ASUS WP7 device shows up on T-Mobile sooner or later.
If I was able to make that choice, my snap decision would be the DVP, based almost solely on how much I really like how it looks in pictures. Pure liquid sex.
But then, I'm really used to having a good physical keyboard (Tilt2), and anything with a physical keyboard innately calls to me.
However, since I've sold my eternal soul to AT&T, my choices were a little different, and I could not justify the choice with the physical keyboard, despite the fact that it actually does feel really surprisingly good in the hand. Losing half an inch of screen was too much. Had to go with the Focus.
So yeah, I really don't know where I intended to go with this, but I guess my reply is to stop thinking so hard about it. If you can't wait, then your choice is made by default. If you can wait, wait. Then play around with both. No matter what jerks on the internet say, once you hold them in your hands, you will know.
But then, if you have no way of physically handling a unit before purchasing, and you are OK with relying on the opinion of a guy who has no chance to own either, then go with the Dell!
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If I was able to make that choice, my snap decision would be the DVP, based almost solely on how much I really like how it looks in pictures. Pure liquid sex.
But then, I'm really used to having a good physical keyboard (Tilt2), and anything with a physical keyboard innately calls to me.
However, since I've sold my eternal soul to AT&T, my choices were a little different, and I could not justify the choice with the physical keyboard, despite the fact that it actually does feel really surprisingly good in the hand. Losing half an inch of screen was too much. Had to go with the Focus.
So yeah, I really don't know where I intended to go with this, but I guess my reply is to stop thinking so hard about it. If you can't wait, then your choice is made by default. If you can wait, wait. Then play around with both. No matter what jerks on the internet say, once you hold them in your hands, you will know.
But then, if you have no way of physically handling a unit before purchasing, and you are OK with relying on the opinion of a guy who has no chance to own either, then go with the Dell!
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Lol great advice thanks!
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I've never seen specs or reviews claiming the HD7 has a SLCD. Do you have a link I can look at?
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As for the SLCD screen most of the spec sheets I read show the display as having that. Not saying it's fact just saying that's what seemed to be advertised. If you google "HD7 SLCD" you'll find quite a few matches..
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As for the SLCD screen most of the spec sheets I read show the display as having that. Not saying it's fact just saying that's what seemed to be advertised. If you google "HD7 SLCD" you'll find quite a few matches..
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But you wont find it listed on HTC's site, which is what would matter most. And those sites stating that it has SLCD probably just copied from one another, thats the way the internet works these days. I do agree on one thing, the screen size does make it a lot easier to type on and the autocorrect and prediction also add to the ease of text entry. I have posted on forums from my HD7 more in 1 week than in the 6 months I had the HD2.
As you say, you could end up waiting for the Dell only to find out its still got huge problems, but that may be the best option since at least that way you would have the info to make the best decision. 2011 is only 4 weeks and some days away, so its not really that too long to wait.
Hello,
Currently I'm Android user. I had Desire and now I have Desire Z. I'm looking for Win device, because the UI is much better in my opinion and the OS is really good.
I hate Android market, because there are so many **** apps, you have to download other programs to filter the **** and etc. I hate it.
Second I hate are those widgets, tiles are much better for me.
So my questions:
Will MS update all their phones at the same time? Or will it be like Android, some of the devices will be updated, some will be left without update. I hate this on Android, because you have to buy many devices if you want to have the latest OS. I think this thing adds very much to the sales...
Other question: As I live in Lithuania (europe) will the market and other features work? Operators are selling some devices with WP7, but I want Samsung Omnia 7, because I think it's the best in battery/looks. Maybe you would recommend other phone?
Thanks for the answers very much ))
Well apparently MS will update all devices at once or at least this is what I know.
As for the Market, unfortunately it is not supported fully in many countries.
So for now you can download any freeapp, to buy you have to wait OR register credit card with US or UK address.
Oh, if they will be updated all together, that's wonderful! That is the most annoying thing in Android- fragmentation and a lot of **** devices. It can't be a good platform with many, many phones. Many apps don't work on many devices and phones are not updated and etc. :]
Well, as I wan't to buy new WP7 phone, which one would everyone suggest me? In our shops we have HD7 and Trophy, but I wanted to get Omnia 7. So what's the best? I need a good battery life, minimum 3,7 screen, good looking device ))
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=839160
maybe this will help a little .
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Oh, if they will be updated all together, that's wonderful! That is the most annoying thing in Android- fragmentation and a lot of **** devices. It can't be a good platform with many, many phones. Many apps don't work on many devices and phones are not updated and etc. :]
Well, as I wan't to buy new WP7 phone, which one would everyone suggest me? In our shops we have HD7 and Trophy, but I wanted to get Omnia 7. So what's the best? I need a good battery life, minimum 3,7 screen, good looking device ))
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It sounds to me that the only requirements you have is a minimum screen size. Then you should go with the HD7 because it has 4,3 over the 3,8 on the Trophy. I also heard that there is a lot of problems with the Trophy. I ended up buying the Omnia 7, becasue of the AMOLED and the nice design(and because it what on sale) But then again HTC do have MicroSD slot inside which means that you can upgrade the space, where Omnia 7 only comes with 8gb NAND. That does makes the Omnia significant faster when loading applications but also mean you are suck with limited storage.
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It sounds to me that the only requirements you have is a minimum screen size. Then you should go with the HD7 because it has 4,3 over the 3,8 on the Trophy. I also heard that there is a lot of problems with the Trophy. I ended up buying the Omnia 7, becasue of the AMOLED and the nice design(and because it what on sale) But then again HTC do have MicroSD slot inside which means that you can upgrade the space, where Omnia 7 only comes with 8gb NAND. That does makes the Omnia significant faster when loading applications but also mean you are suck with limited storage.
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Well,
I had HD7 in hand and it wasn't so comfortable... The lock key is hard to reach and it's kinda big for me. Well, if it had a good battery life, I would consider it... But I heard that it has horrible battery... My main factors for phone is: Battery Life and Screen, well memory is important too... Omnia 7 would be perfect if it had 16Gb. I wrote to some sellers, because in Germany they have 16Gb versions, maybe in Lithuania they will have some too ))
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Well,
I had HD7 in hand and it wasn't so comfortable... The lock key is hard to reach and it's kinda big for me. Well, if it had a good battery life, I would consider it... But I heard that it has horrible battery... My main factors for phone is: Battery Life and Screen, well memory is important too... Omnia 7 would be perfect if it had 16Gb. I wrote to some sellers, because in Germany they have 16Gb versions, maybe in Lithuania they will have some too ))
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Maybe, i don't think that 8gb is to little, special if you get ZunePass so you only stream your music instead of have them on your device. Special if you like me have a flat rate data plan. Well you could go for the German version (thought of that to, but could't find it anywhere) I'm getting my Omnia 7 tomorrow(i hope) and i'm pretty sure i wont regret
Oh P.S. In the future everything will be stored in the cloud, so why would you need physical memory (lol)
Get an Omnia 7
Niiceg said:
Oh, if they will be updated all together, that's wonderful! That is the most annoying thing in Android- fragmentation and a lot of **** devices. It can't be a good platform with many, many phones. Many apps don't work on many devices and phones are not updated and etc. :]
Well, as I wan't to buy new WP7 phone, which one would everyone suggest me? In our shops we have HD7 and Trophy, but I wanted to get Omnia 7. So what's the best? I need a good battery life, minimum 3,7 screen, good looking device ))
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I have LG Optimus 7. Good device, good looking. Well built.
I would not get HTCHD7 because HTC used ****ty screen for this one.
And also HTC has usually bad cameras.
I wanted to buy SonyEricsson but they didn't make it.
I would take DellVenuePro or Samsung with the best camera.
doministry said:
I have LG Optimus 7. Good device, good looking. Well built.
I would not get HTCHD7 because HTC used ****ty screen for this one.
And also HTC has usually bad cameras.
I wanted to buy SonyEricsson but they didn't make it.
I would take DellVenuePro or Samsung with the best camera.
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Well, I just hate LG It looks ugly for me and from what I heard, the built quality isn't good.
Niiceg said:
Well, I just hate LG It looks ugly for me and from what I heard, the built quality isn't good.
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Heh it's my first LG phone and I never thought I would buy it!
But it's well built and actually looks great in life.
Something I can't say about Samsung.
It also has 16GB and good batteery life.
i have a HTC 7 Trophy. It's what i would call the minimum spec'ed windows phone. and to be honest, it's fine. i'm not crazy about space, screensize, camera. battery life is just as good as any of the other phones. the issues reported seem to have died a bit. i think my screen still gets a bit dirty a bit too quickly, but i bought a screen protector to stop that issue. i was and am still interested in omnia 7 but now that i have the trophy, i can settle knowing that i pretty much have similar capabilities. my girlfriend will probably end up getting the omnia within a few months so i will be able to fiddle with both devices anyways.
The HD2 has AB 1150 mAh battery so yes its bad. It also has one of the worst possible display panels Htc. Could have chosen.
Get a venure pro instead of an Hd7. Much better phone in almost every way possible.
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N8ter said:
The HD2 has AB 1150 mAh battery so yes its bad. It also has one of the worst possible display panels Htc. Could have chosen.
Get a venure pro instead of an Hd7. Much better phone in almost every way possible.
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actually, the hd7 has a 1230 mah battery, still not great, but oh well.
What is your obsession with the dvp??? It doesn't have better specs, has the lowest memory of all the wp7 launch devices (can we even call it a launch device when no one could get it at launch), and it's only upside is the slide out portrait keyboard.
You know, I was very interested in the dvp, until it started having all these problems. Then to put half the ram that all the other phones are coming with...
I just don't trust dell enough to spend the money.
Get an Omnia 7. I had an HD2 and was looking at the HD7 but HTC really messed up with just copying old parts.
Omnia 7 is light, feels nice in hand, screen looks great and good battery.
good morning i'm here to ask you wich of this two phones is better: hd2 with windows phone 7 or lg optimus 7 thank so much
can some one also share the hardware specificatopn of this two cellulars thanks
Select the 2 models, press compare:
http://www.hellkom.co.za/cellphones/compare.php
HD2... Android, wp7, wm 6.5... ubuntu, a great community behind... one of the best phones ever seen...
gastrella said:
good morning i'm here to ask you wich of this two phones is better: hd2 with windows phone 7 or lg optimus 7 thank so much
can some one also share the hardware specificatopn of this two cellulars thanks
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If you want a genuine WP7 experience, the LG is the way to go. The HD2 is the world's best phone for a lot of things, but it can't give you a permanent WP7 solution. Without a key, you can't use the Live features and they are foundation of the OS...Market, Zune, Live hub and so forth.
I admire HD2 as a real king of phones.
But for a real, supported WP7 experience get LG.
And this phone rocks too. Absolutely.
Almost no flaws. Pictures in low light could be sharper.
i made this question because i've got an htc hd2 with A lot of optional (3 batteries a doking station 8 gb of microsd 2 gel protector ecc ) and one of my friend offerme an optimus 7 plus 50€ for it ... do you think i've to Accept the offert ?
gastrella said:
i made this question because i've got an htc hd2 with A lot of optional (3 batteries a doking station 8 gb of microsd 2 gel protector ecc ) and one of my friend offerme an optimus 7 plus 50€ for it ... do you think i've to Accept the offert ?
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If it is the 1024 Leo, no! If it is the 512 Leo, yeah.
Do not get LG optimus 7. It's looks solid but has crappy hardware. I've sent mine back twice and it's still buggy as hell. I switched to a different carrier and got the samsung focus and desperately trying to get rid of the LG.
i have the lg optimus 7 and the camera sucks bad on lg, especially with the flash. other than that its a very solid phone
which is the bug of lg?
Well its still hard to say but the touchscreen can be ridiculously unresponsive at times. Now this seems to happen in certain situations like when changing the volume to ringer or attempting anything in ie. You should know that the only way to wake the device is rto use the small button at the top. I am going back today to check about the screen but other wise I am very happy with it.
HD2, No question... It's not every phone where you can run WM 6.5 AND WP7 on....the best of both worlds...
If they made it on a CDMA network (CDMA coverage is better than GSM in my area), It would be the only phone I would buy.
if you want a WP7 device, trade. Unless you're a developer the HD2 id factorably worse than devices designed for the OS they run.
Also extra batteries are useless when you have a hard case on the phone. Most people could care less if you have them because it's a pain in the rear to remove an otterbox or body glove case all the time to swap batteries.
Hell, swapping batteries period is a pain, imo. Lol.
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N8ter said:
if you want a WP7 device, trade. Unless you're a developer the HD2 id factorably worse than devices designed for the OS they run.
Also extra batteries are useless when you have a hard case on the phone. Most people could care less if you have them because it's a pain in the rear to remove an otterbox or body glove case all the time to swap batteries.
Hell, swapping batteries period is a pain, imo. Lol.
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I gotta disagree there. That isn't the experience I have. In fact I say it's "factorably" better than devices running OEM OSes. I've used a number of genuine Android phones such as the Nexus S, Evo and DesireHDs and the HD2 running their ROMs is generally smoother and just as fast. The Nexus S ROM especially is better running on the HD2...at least it feels better.
Worse quality screen than even the HD7 and Evo 4G. Small battery (same size as HD7). Has issues failing due to MoBo issues after some time (overheating, freezing, and random chain-resets, etc.) <- this is the main reason most T-Mobile reps try to steer people away FROM the HD2, and why they do the same for the HD7 (the devices are too similar with similar naming, so they assume the HD7 will have the same issues). Camera is not competitive. Hardware buttons on the front get sort of loose on some phones after heavy use.
The build materials are quite good. The specs are rather coincidental IRT WP7
But there are better phones.
The HD7 is good as a developer device because it can be hacked to run 3-4 smartphone OSes, meaning as a developer you do not have to buy a new phone to develop for WP7 or Android if you're moving off of Windows Mobile.
But the newer devices designed for their respective OSes are better devices.
Yes, Carrier Branded devices offer suffer from performance issues due to bloatware and carrier modifications, but I don't agree that an HD2 outperforms a Nexus S, or even a Nexus One. Sorry.
I do have 3 different phones (HD2, HD7, Vibrant), so I've done this comparison - side by side, already.
In the case of Android devices, they tend to come with large internal storage in addition to an SD Card Slot (not the Nexus S, though), which give them yet another advantage over the HD2. It has basically just a 1GB ROM and an SD slot. Sorry, but I'll take a 16GB NAND (12.6GB free) with an 8GB cheap Class 4/6 SD Card over going out and spending $150for a good quality name brand 32GB SD Card (not the cheap knockoffs everyone is getting from eBay, etc. having an SD fail on you sucks esp when you have tons of data on it).
But whatever floats your boat.
The HD2 is only like $49.99 on contract these days so if you want one that badly, then just buy a new one and ETF the line later. If you sell your old phone, you may even come out a bit ahead...
ok thanks for the answare ... but i read in a lot of forum that lg optimus 7 is a bad phone because it freez and restart randomly it have a bad quality cameraand the screen a lot of time not responding .... all this bad thing is absent on my hd2 only the camera is bad when i use the flash ...
this is why i'm not sure to make the trade
is it true ?
N8ter said:
Worse quality screen than even the HD7 and Evo 4G. Small battery (same size as HD7). Has issues failing due to MoBo issues after some time (overheating, freezing, and random chain-resets, etc.) <- this is the main reason most T-Mobile reps try to steer people away FROM the HD2, and why they do the same for the HD7 (the devices are too similar with similar naming, so they assume the HD7 will have the same issues). Camera is not competitive. Hardware buttons on the front get sort of loose on some phones after heavy use.
The build materials are quite good. The specs are rather coincidental IRT WP7
But there are better phones.
The HD7 is good as a developer device because it can be hacked to run 3-4 smartphone OSes, meaning as a developer you do not have to buy a new phone to develop for WP7 or Android if you're moving off of Windows Mobile.
But the newer devices designed for their respective OSes are better devices.
Yes, Carrier Branded devices offer suffer from performance issues due to bloatware and carrier modifications, but I don't agree that an HD2 outperforms a Nexus S, or even a Nexus One. Sorry.
I do have 3 different phones (HD2, HD7, Vibrant), so I've done this comparison - side by side, already.
In the case of Android devices, they tend to come with large internal storage in addition to an SD Card Slot (not the Nexus S, though), which give them yet another advantage over the HD2. It has basically just a 1GB ROM and an SD slot. Sorry, but I'll take a 16GB NAND (12.6GB free) with an 8GB cheap Class 4/6 SD Card over going out and spending $150for a good quality name brand 32GB SD Card (not the cheap knockoffs everyone is getting from eBay, etc. having an SD fail on you sucks esp when you have tons of data on it).
But whatever floats your boat.
The HD2 is only like $49.99 on contract these days so if you want one that badly, then just buy a new one and ETF the line later. If you sell your old phone, you may even come out a bit ahead...
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No need to be sorry. You have your opinion, we all have our own opinions. But I am speaking from experience. Have you used a Nexus S?
gastrella said:
ok thanks for the answare ... but i read in a lot of forum that lg optimus 7 is a bad phone because it freez and restart randomly it have a bad quality cameraand the screen a lot of time not responding .... all this bad thing is absent on my hd2 only the camera is bad when i use the flash ...
this is why i'm not sure to make the trade
is it true ?
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Exactly. The only consistent problem with the HD2 is the green hue of the camera image with flash.
MartyLK said:
Exactly. The only consistent problem with the HD2 is the green hue of the camera image with flash.
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I don't see that as a big problem unless you're printing pictures... in which case Photoshop easily fixes the hues.
I'll always suggest a pure WP7 experience over a tainted one. The HD2 is similar to the HD7 only less responsive and HTC's WP7 devices have been less than impressive as is. So yeah, 100 percent go LG.
gastrella said:
ok thanks for the answare ... but i read in a lot of forum that lg optimus 7 is a bad phone because it freez and restart randomly it have a bad quality cameraand the screen a lot of time not responding .... all this bad thing is absent on my hd2 only the camera is bad when i use the flash ...
this is why i'm not sure to make the trade
is it true ?
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Complete bull****.
I run LG Optimus 7 all the time and it's almost bug free.
Never had any problem with unresponsive touch screen. Restarted ONCE through the whole usage cycle.
And it's my main phone..
Camera is good, it's not stellar. Yes in low light has some sharpness problem but it shows real colours.
As the title says,
What did you choose and why?
I personally went for the Dell venue pro, bought it as a factory unlocked handset to use with my Vodafone UK account.
It was my choice because of screen size and build quality. I personally find a screen of 4.3" just that bit to big foe me to hold comfortably and the dvp is a perfect balance. Its a nice step up from my iPhone 4 screen in size just a shame the resolution wasent a little better.
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I also find I don't make use of the keypad as the onscreen keys are good. Battery life is not great compared to my iPhone but lasts the day so its manageable.
Is it going to be a good enough handset to tempt me away from my iPhone....im not sure. Love the build of the phone, love the size, like the clean lines if the os.....lots going for it.....there us just something making me not sure about it...cant put my finger on it though.
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i gotthe HD7 as i ts slim and big screen.... i wanted to get the DVP but lucky for me they do not have local sets in asia, as i heard there were issues with the firmware and updates... HD7 is with HTC right now as the screen gave way after 6 month of use... (this will be my first HTC which i have to bring back to HTC, never sent my HTC phones to service ctr's before...)
i will buy the nokia WP7 device as it will have the FFC and it will be nokia...
Just got myself the Samsung Omnia 7 2 days ago and I have to say, I can't fault it in any way! Hardware wise of course. (We all know where WP7 comes short). The super amoled screen is incredible and video recording looks beautiful and even picks up sounds very well with little to no crackling of the speakers during playblack. But then again I've only had it the 2 days so perhaps any issues it may have are yet to be seen.
I use a Focus. My previous two MS devices were an Omnia and Omnia 2, and I've found that I enjoy not just the screen quality, but also their multimedia prowess.
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The best phone is : HD2
Yosef said:
The best phone is : HD2
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How so when it's screen is not as good as the HD7 http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1086114&page=7
Optimus 7, cheap and easy to dev unlock...
Tone_ said:
How so when it's screen is not as good as the HD7 http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1086114&page=7
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Oddly enough for me, I felt that the HD2 has a better display in terms of color/brightness. I "upgraded" to the HD7 from my HD2, but I returned it that same day. I had put the HD2 and the HD7 side by side and the HD7's screen was clearly washed out compared to the HD2.
Well, depends on what you look for. From my personal experience:
CPU: same all, 1GHZ SnapDragon
Screen: (also have a look here)
Focus=Omnia7>Optimus7>HD7S>HD7
Notes: Focus,Omnia7,Optimus 7 have Gorilla glass, which is hard to scratch
Storage:
Focus>HD7s=HD7=Optimus7>Omnia7
Notes: Focus has 8GB internal memory but can use SD card easily (upto 40 GB, 8+32) Omnia7 has a version of 16GB but default is 8. HD7(S) and Optimus 7 have 16.
Weight:
Focus<Omnia7<Optimus7<HD7=HD7S
Notes: Focus 119 gr, Omnia7 139 gr, Optimus 7 157 gr, HD7(S) 162 gr
Look and feel: (personal, in this order)
Focus. Omnia 7, Optimus7, HD7s, HD7
Battery life:
About the same on all. I would however rate: Samsung > LG > HTC
I went with the HD7 I've had this phone since its release and haven't had a single problem. As you can see by my screen name I first used windows with the touch pro 2. I love the OS its smooth has most features I've come to expect. (Mango making it 100x better when I can update.) I just got lucky I guess I've read alot of problems with HTC phones but I've personally never had a problem. And believe me when i say I'm very careless with technology.
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I went with the HD7 I've had this phone since its release and haven't had a single problem. As you can see by my screen name I first used windows with the touch pro 2. I love the OS its smooth has most features I've come to expect. (Mango making it 100x better when I can update.) I just got lucky I guess I've read alot of problems with HTC phones but I've personally never had a problem. And believe me when i say I'm very careless with technology.
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You are lucky
My friend still has a HD7 and he experiences random reboots. Not very often (a couple per week) but it's still annoying when they do. Not saying HD7 is a bad phone, as I happen to like the design. Maybe a bad lot, who knows?
some LG phone or the mozart, by far!
another vote for the focus. the mozart does look sexii, but performance while doing it good award goes to Samsung and the Focus.
I say w/e device I'm currently using is the best device out there...so HTC Arrive.