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It seems that since more developers are leaving XDA, and members are flocking to there forums or other android forums. Now I know XDA for quiet some time. I just wish they change some of the ways to certain things. We probably have all developers and more. Support now for the thunderbolt is getting less. Developers who supported the thunderbolt are harder to find. At least for me, I feel like I might need a change very soon since the support for the thunderbolt has lessen.
All I am trying to say is why XDA can't just adapt and have disclaimers for users to understand they need to READ to understand there device and what they are doing to it. Root , and roms updating has risk. People need to ensure they cover every side they read before they do anything on there device.
I like the "thanks" system on xda but to me it really seems there needs to be a way of giving individual posts negative feedback. most social surfing websites have this feature and the ones that implement it well really improve their posting community. The steps are quite simple:
1. Create a social currency (already exists in the thanks meter system)
2. promote the currency so that users really value it, create a culture based on the currency (hardest step)
3. give users the power to say "yay or nay" on any post and again push the culture to participate
4. Add to or detract from the users currency balance based on the votes their posts receive.
5. Below a certain threshold the posts become invisible unless you specifically want to see them
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mthe0ry said:
I like the "thanks" system on xda but to me it really seems there needs to be a way of giving individual posts negative feedback. most social surfing websites have this feature and the ones that implement it well really improve their posting community. The steps are quite simple:
1. Create a social currency (already exists in the thanks meter system)
2. promote the currency so that users really value it, create a culture based on the currency (hardest step)
3. give users the power to say "yay or nay" on any post and again push the culture to participate
4. Add to or detract from the users currency balance based on the votes their posts receive.
5. Below a certain threshold the posts become invisible unless you specifically want to see them
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You raise a good idea, but I think it can be much simpler. A simple + or - for each post would allow users to "rate" the posts. Then a simple filter that will allow users to only show posts with rating s above a certain level would suffice. Useless drivel and repetitive questions will quickly disappear from the filtered results. Any such change more than likely requires some significant updates to the forum though.
As has also been proven before, if large entities don't adapt to changing times, they can die. I don't think XDA is in danger of this yet, but it isn't quite as rich of a resource as it once was.
mthe0ry said:
I like the "thanks" system on xda but to me it really seems there needs to be a way of giving individual posts negative feedback. most social surfing websites have this feature and the ones that implement it well really improve their posting community. The steps are quite simple:
1. Create a social currency (already exists in the thanks meter system)
2. promote the currency so that users really value it, create a culture based on the currency (hardest step)
3. give users the power to say "yay or nay" on any post and again push the culture to participate
4. Add to or detract from the users currency balance based on the votes their posts receive.
5. Below a certain threshold the posts become invisible unless you specifically want to see them
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I think this is a good idea, however I don't think it should be as simple as a hitting a negative button similar to the thanks button because it wouldn't be used right most of the time. Say I disagree with your post above, that doesn't mean its a bad post and should receive negative feedback, it just means our opinions differ (though they don't, just an example). If there were a few reasons like; trolling, negative comment towards fellow member (including racism/sexism/any ism's, lol), and maybe a repeat topic/question for all the new threads that get started multiple times a day because the op didn't look for the answer first (which would work better if there was a sticky with info or links to info such as what root and other root related things are and links to how to's). Then once posts reach a certain number of negative feedback for the same "offense" that comment would then be hidden with the reason shown.
Where is everyone going to?
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As far as I know only 2 dev teams left and that due to being treated poorly by people not taking the time to read through threads and follow instructions.
Both of their roms are still available at their personal sites
teambamf.com and themikmik.com
teambamf.net
hopefully they'll get their issues sorted out because the site hasn't been solid yet due to apparent dos attacks.
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teambamf.net
hopefully they'll get their issues sorted out because the site hasn't been solid yet due to apparent dos attacks.
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Site is back now for Team BAMF
Trident said:
We're back!
wifiguru and I have been working tirelessly all night moving Team BAMF Forums over to a new server and installing a fresh copy of vBulletin. After doing so, we noticed that our issues were not quite resolved as there was a bot submitting approximately 1000 requests per second to port 80 which was causing the server to reach a state of low memory and overload the CPU. We've beefed up our firewall and limited the amount of requests a single IP address can issue per second which should prevent such an attack in the future. Let it be known that this was indeed an attack on our website though. Pretty lame and immature, huh?
Anyways, we're terribly sorry for the downtime! I don't think we'll be seeing much of that in the days to come..
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you really think this site and smartphone growth/development isn't bigger than the TBolt, BAMF and Chingy? Maybe a big blow to you personally or Tbolt community here but come on XDA probably has WAY more members than it had last year and will have WAY more next year than it has this year. And you can bet these "flocks" going to their personal sites are still small and will always be compared to XDA's Tbolt (and other) communities. I'm personally not joined to the hip to any dev's work so if I really dont like the dev's alternate site or there isn't sufficient information there's always another virtually identicle or simular enough rom on XDA to switch over to.
I came here to post about my experience with rooted TBolt, but I cannot post in those threads... Not enough posts. This is very frustrating. It pushes me to go search some alternative ways to talk with developers.
Bad spelling and grammar don't help, either...
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you really think this site and smartphone growth/development isn't bigger than the TBolt, BAMF and Chingy? Maybe a big blow to you personally or Tbolt community here but come on XDA probably has WAY more members than it had last year and will have WAY more next year than it has this year. And you can bet these "flocks" going to their personal sites are still small and will always be compared to XDA's Tbolt (and other) communities. I'm personally not joined to the hip to any dev's work so if I really dont like the dev's alternate site or there isn't sufficient information there's always another virtually identicle or simular enough rom on XDA to switch over to.
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You really think tbolt devs are the only ones leaving?
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For those of you familiar with Linux distros and their forums, think of it like this: devs here are more like the kind of people you'd find on the Arch or Gentoo forums--they believe (rightfully) that anyone who even considers flashing roms should already know the answers to these questions. And if they honestly don't, the documentation or Google are only a click away.
Now the newbie users, they're more like the kind of people you find on ubuntu forums- people who got sick of the boring factory junk that their device came with, so they switched to this new thing they heard about through a friend and realized too late that it's not as stupid simple as clicking 'next' again and again when installing programs in windows.
You can see the clash that these groups would have...
Two things: there should be a 'newbie' subforum just like EVERY other major project on the internet does, where the questions would be asked and FAQ's could be posted and pinned. And second, the lack of all-inclusive documentation needed to bridge the gap between the two groups is only forcing them further apart.
I had no problem flashing bamf sense 3.0, or changing scripts in init.d because I'm used to looking up the answers on the internet and know how to tell what's junk and what's not. But a lot of users don't. Hence, the need for an all-inclusive newbie subforum with how-to's and FAQ's and such.
I'd be more than happy to contribute to such an endeavor with the admins' blessing too
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admiralspark said:
because I'm used to looking up the answers on the internet and know how to tell what's junk and what's not. But a lot of users don't. Hence, the need for an all-inclusive newbie subforum with how-to's and FAQ's and such.
I'd be more than happy to contribute to such an endeavor with the admins' blessing too
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Exactly my issue...I know what I want to with my TBOLT, but haven't bc of all the junk out on the web for rooting. Id love some one on one support if anyone is willing to help
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BAMF has said repeatedly that they did not leave due to anything any users said/did. They left for another reason.
Chingy left for some user related issues still contributes greatly to the community.
Both groups still contribute to TB development and will continue to from their sites. Either way most of the development spawns across multiple forums anyway so I dont see any development slowing down in the future.
From the looks of most of the questions asked on the thunderbolt subforum (since many would be better asked or looked for in the general forums), I would gather that most that frequent it think that this forum == xda, which is not true. Compared to the other forums, this one is far more juvenile and dramatic. People are not "leaving" in droves in any other forums nor are developers. Sometimes I think the thunderbolt was the officially endorsed phone of 4chan.
Anyways, xda is not dying. One would think that though if all they read is the thunderbolt forums though
I dont' mind helping the noobs, but sometimes the more obvious questions can wear on you and all you want to say is RTFM, which is probably what the developers that left wanted to say as well. I don't think those that do say such things do it out of being mean, but do it more out of frustration that all the help and advice they might give in the past is just in vain/futility.
As already mentioned. There are two crowds on xda. The mint/ubuntu/what is ubuntu types that will 99% of the time need spoon fed even after helping past the basic stuff and the arch/debian/slackware types that know how to look for information themselves. Those two groups rarely ever seem to "get" each other anyways as also mentioned.
I think as far as the developers are concerned they just want to do their own thing and that's more than understandable! What I don't understand is why shoot yourself in the foot by leaving a huge market like xda (4 million members). If it's personal reasons I can understand but what better way to get more attention than being on multiple forums.
Xda isn't perfect and never will be but I'm not giving up hope that it can be better and moderation is gonna go way up from here on out that's a promise. Another problem is there aren't many mods in thunderbolt section (2 that i know of) but I plan on bringing that up so we can get some more help in here.
The noob sub forum probably won't happen, don't want to alienate new members. What can be done is improved stickies which is being done as I type. There will always be members who ask before searching but with improved stickies it will reduce it.
Some moderating from the mods would be nice too. They should be deleting unuseful posts like "search" and cursing. The problem is when you search for issues you find other threads but the conversation inside them is "search" followed by a pissing contest. Stickies with more information would help and I like the feature that searches for you when you create a new thread. Everyone needs to respect each other here. That's when the mods need to step in and start laying down the ban hammer and warnings. I'd love to help in that department.
Agreed, but a small team will have all sorts of trouble trying to moderate a userbase of 4 million...but we could all help to reduce the number of questions if there was a single source of information to send new users to. So, I'll begin writing up some things tonight (RL class for now).
On a side note, if you'd like some one-on-one help, I'm more than happy to do so through pm/chat/skype/whatever. Everyone started at square one once upon a time
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I've already created a sticky guide, I'm still working on it as I go feel free to add what ever yall feel necessary!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1168433
Hello Community,
This is mostly for my informational purposes, but id really appreciate it if everyone would cast their vote as to which rom they are on currently. This can also serve in the short term as an informational compass to point new users twards a rom to try out. All votes in the polls are appreciated!
Thanks,
HaiKaiDo
Nevermind...
Dude, give it up. Whether you like it or not, the forum management do NOT like these kinds of posts that put the work of developers into a popularity contest. And leaving out Andromeda, one of the most popular ROMs in here, just makes the poll look silly.
Miami_Son said:
Dude, give it up. Whether you like it or not, the forum management do NOT like these kinds of posts that put the work of developers into a popularity contest. And leaving out Andromeda, one of the most popular ROMs in here, just makes the poll look silly.
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I was asked by the forums mod to repost this and that he was going to lock it and sticky it so that posts like this would no longer happen and people would be able to vote without flaming. Also Apex and Andromeda will be added.
Dude you look silly
I do not see anything wrong with a thread like this. Maybe it can prevent some additional threads about what rom is best for me.
And by the way, screw you for not including asop roms, my vote is miui. (just kidding on the screw you, kinda)
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HaiKaiDo said:
Hello Community,
This is mostly for my informational purposes, but id really appreciate it if everyone would cast their vote as to which rom they are on currently. This can also serve in the short term as an informational compass to point new users twards a rom to try out. All votes in the polls are appreciated!
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That verbiage right there makes this little more than a popularity contest. New users should be reading up on any ROM they want to try, not making decisions based on the number of people using a particular ROM. The power users are switching ROMs pretty regularly, some on a daily basis, so how should they vote in this poll? The only way anyone interested in modding their phone with a custom ROM will get the info they need is to READ THE FORUM and invest the time to know what they're doing. They will only run into problems if they simply look at a thread like this, pick the one with the most votes and go at it. That's the natural tendency of humans and it goes against the grain of what users in here should be doing. There are no shortcuts.
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That verbiage right there makes this little more than a popularity contest. New users should be reading up on any ROM they want to try, not making decisions based on the number of people using a particular ROM. The power users are switching ROMs pretty regularly, some on a daily basis, so how should they vote in this poll? The only way anyone interested in modding their phone with a custom ROM will get the info they need is to READ THE FORUM and invest the time to know what they're doing. They will only run into problems if they simply look at a thread like this, pick the one with the most votes and go at it. That's the natural tendency of humans and it goes against the grain of what users in here should be doing. There are no shortcuts.
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+1 Some people never learn.
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Well since I have the support of a moderator and all the other people that havnt decided to take everything ive said in this thread and twist it and blow it WAY out of proportion, im gonna have to go with...If you dont like it, dont post here :]
Nanny, nanny, boo boo to you, too.
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Nanny, nanny, boo boo to you, too.
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come on man seriously , no need to stay here and set fire to my thread AGAIN. For whatever reason the mod that said he was going to lock this and sticky it has disapeared for the moment, but i suppose when he gets back all these posts will be deleted and the OP can be used to exactly what it was intended. Just a collection of data, not a popularity contest, not a noob guide to tell them what rom to install. Its just a small collection of data to see what the community is upto.
I didn't post a thing in your last thread, so don't blame me for that one being closed. The reality is that your poll is flawed simply because you limited it to only 2.3.x ROMs. That will not give a clear picture of what ROMs are being used since it omits some very fine 2.2 ROMs like Andromeda and the many users still on stock Froyo and Eclair. That renders it pretty useless as far as a statistical analysis and dangerous as it might convince some to jump to a Gingerbread ROM before they know what the consequences might be. Don't we have enough people in here with bricks and flashing problems? Why contribute to it?
just move on and don't vote
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At work, will respond to this properly when I can.
Sent From My Fingers To Your Face.....
Okay lets clear this up....
I DID tell the OP to repost this thread.
Heres why.....
I agree with the rest of you that "best" rom threads are pointless and often offensive. I do not allow "best" rom threads in any of the sections I moderate.
However, this thread was not supposed to be about whats "best".
The intention was to set the poll, stick the thread and close it to prevent the usual barrage of venom and verbal diarrhea that goes with the aforementioned "best" rom threads.
I for one am curious as to how the userbase of a particular device is split between the various roms on offer and I think its a shame that there is no way to utilise the poll option to asess this.
I spoke to the OP about this and it was clear to me that he did not want to encourage discussion about whats "best", just collect the numbers out of curiousity so I agreed to give this a go....
As it stands, its not possible to close a thread and leave the poll open so it looks like we'll never know.
Sorry guys.... As another dev shuts up shop due to users/noobs that don't read opening posts or explain the bugs they having.
Custom roms will soon be a thing of the pass.
I for one knows how much time/effort goes into making a rom. It's no easy task. The amount of flashing/bricking to bring roms to us.
All the roms on xda are free but if this continues then devs may start charging for their roms (maybe not on xda but who knows) Wouldn't blame them really though.
All users need to understand if we don't have devs on Android. Then basically we will end up like iPhone users that are locked down. We should be grateful for all devs that brings us root without it then no custom roms would exist.
Do the Android community wanna end up like iPhone? I doubt it very much.
Respect the devs
Read the first post, search the thread! All answers are there. This excuse "I searched but couldn't find anything" is BS basically.
We will lose them all eventually.
Rant over.
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Post of the month!
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As much as I agree, this is flogging a dead horse
Until you can change the impatient 'fix it now, I refuse to read the first post post anyway, that bits not important' mentality of the average user, nothing will change
I agree. most users in this community are selfish. most likely they demand fix this please, when's the next update, port it please, comparing their work to another's hard work, flaming and so on.
they neither try to read back the thread or use the search function. or has no clue with the forum rules. it's a sad thing but yeah it's here. it's really a sad thing but there's nothing we can do unless they learn to respect the free work devs have put into their work. people should realize devs are doing it on their spare time on their own will to share to people for users to enjoy for free.
Agree
I was hoping to find a thread like this and I totally agree with you.
But maybe that is not the end cause I think that the devs will still love what they do just that they try not to address certain people.
As great as the idea of XDA is and as much as I'm happy that this awesome forum exists..I think that it should be talked/discussed about the forum rules!!!
Example:
How can it be possible that you become senior member with 100 posts?
This leads to flaming in some cases and is no way near related on how helpful you are
The process in being allowed to post
While some are annoyed that they can't discuss right after logging the first time....for others it is way to simple to join and flame.
Rules enforcement
We all know that some posts we make are not related to the devices...and I think that this shouldn't be seen as an issue in general...XDA to me is also a communication page as long as the dev doesn't have a problem with it... BUT being disrespectful to the work you receive for free and claiming bugs where there are reported to be none and most important refusing to read should be looked after more often.
At last I really don't want to criticize XDA or what it stands for cause I still love it... I just hope it stays what it was created for and won't loose the devs which are doing so many awesome things for us because some people just can't follow the rules and be thankful for what they get
Maybe some new rules when people sign up?like private reference or something?but then again that would drop Ads revenue of this site drasticly
Unfortunately it's fact that most of the users are never happy enough with the things they get FOR FREE. They don't see the hard work of the devs behind a custom ROM. They only see what they have on their phones, and if there's something they don't like, they complain and blame the dev. And the fact that many users don't read instructions or simple informations gives the devs more work. They have to watch their thread 24 hours a day and always be friendly and helpful. If that's not given, some users become rude. My favorite thread was closed this morning because of such stupidity. The dev pulls his heart and soul in his project and gets more negative than positive feedback. That's not fair.
@4aces: you know what thread I'm talking about, i think you agree, it's a sad sad day for us.
Exactly @speedwayfan75 that why I had to voice my rant over that thread. And @DSA same for your thread too shut due to some users. Black box was great used on s3 then got discontinued on s4
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So you are announcing the end of the custom ROMs, because of some impatient noobs, who have always been around and probably always will be? Are you for real?
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So you are announcing the end of the custom ROMs, because of some impatient noobs, who have always been around and probably always will be? Are you for real?
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Did I day that :banghead:
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In my opinion it's also the fault of XDA in general.
Just take a look in the Q&A section. So many question that have been anwsered before, so many people that just won't read.
In my opinion every thread that doesn't have a decent opening post should be closed untill they put some effort in it. But the more users XDA gets, the more money they make. So the skill level will only keep lowering and then some other decent website opens and replaces XDA.
Users just get to much space to do anything they want. I'm not blaming the mods in any way, because I think they are doing a good job. People higher up the ladder should take action or XDA will go down true their own succes.
I agree that there are many noob who do not read the post before replying.
But every boby was a noob before no?
just give them a chance to become good Android users...
PS: sorry for my english, i'am french !
You can't stop anyone from posting questions without searching first, or asking for OTAs. The only thing the devs can do is to ignore these people.
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You can't stop anyone from posting questions without searching first, or asking for OTAs. The only thing the devs can do is to ignore these people.
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Its not as simple as that
If I create a development thread and include all relevant info in the first post, which is then populated with nothing but questions that are answered in the first post it makes it incredibly hard to find any proper posts which could contribute to the rom or for me to help a genuine user having issues
I created a specific q&a thread for these types of posts and everyone ignored it and filled up my dev thread instead
XDA has a chronic problem with users atm, I can't explain it or understand it, but I'm seeing more and more devs close their threads because of the users populating it
Have a read of the gravitybox thread in the xposed section...its unbelievable..
ETA: just had a read of the echorom thread...check @friedrich420 last posts in there..I feel for him as I know exactly how he feels
Users should be understanding about this. I think XDA should double the number of moderators so that useless posts are deleted on regular basis. For developers; they should create a third post on their ROM topic, that has a big list of all FAQs in bold.
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You can't stop anyone from posting questions without searching first, or asking for OTAs. The only thing the devs can do is to ignore these people.
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I agree. I'm not sure if Devs will start charging, to be honest I'd probably pay, But anyways.... I work in Service Management for a Global IT company, and this behaviour is pretty standard when you are dealing with this many users..
I for one respond ONCE and the ignore users that make demands or unreasonable requests or are just plain offensive or rude.
What makes it worse though is the number of more experienced users that actually reply to these people in the thread. Honestly is some threads they have doubled the useless post count! Now, before I get flamed, I have done it myself because its just plain RUDE!!! But it doesn't take every 'good' user to flame back or stick up for the dev or say not to ask for ETAs! Just once will do and then ignore them!
If you ask any service professional or SixSigma bod, they will say 'focus on the good users and ignore the bad'.
Please please though reading multiple posts from good users responding to bad users is just as annoying as having to read the original bad post.
Peace Out People!
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Its not as simple as that
If I create a development thread and include all relevant info in the first post, which is then populated with nothing but questions that are answered in the first post it makes it incredibly hard to find any proper posts which could contribute to the rom or for me to help a genuine user having issues
I created a specific q&a thread for these types of posts and everyone ignored it and filled up my dev thread instead
XDA has a chronic problem with users atm, I can't explain it or understand it, but I'm seeing more and more devs close their threads because of the users populating it
Have a read of the gravitybox thread in the xposed section...its unbelievable..
ETA: just had a read of the echorom thread...check @friedrich420 last posts in there..I feel for him as I know exactly how he feels
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I thank you from the bottom of my heart!! I know if anyone can understand is you my man!! I create a basic custom rom at best (and kernels lately). You create the most awesome rom i have ever used!! Way way over my head!! And you get the same treatment?? Its really not worth it!! People (im not generalizing because there are some EXCEPTIONAL USERS who deserve recognition) dont get (or dont want to get) what it takes to create a masterpiece like yours for example...
Thank you and my wish is that we will see you back!!
But one thing is for sure, something has to change...
It seems that people value something only if they have to pay for it... Im not say this should happen here but something that protects us (the creators/ providers of roms. kernels, recoveries, mods, apps etc etc) for the **** we get should be put in place... Some kind of mechanism that protects spamming and protects flaming... Something with more success than the current measures we have in place now...
Also THANK YOU TO EVERYONE FOR YOUR SUPPORT and opening this thread is a good thing!!
It needs to stay up and we need to make it into a "brainstorming pool" of ways to make sure devs who do this for free (therefore they do it because they love sharing) are protected...
How to stop stupid questions?
Firstly if devs want to be paid then good for them. Whatever they get it wont be enough. This might leave some users feeling empowered though - they would feel they were owed answers as they had paid "where is my promised bug fix you lazy asshole!". And we don't want that. So how about a testers thread for each ROM were the dev controls who can post and a general thread for each ROM were you have to pay to post ($0.20). It would encourage only real questions after peole have searched.
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How to stop stupid questions?
Firstly if devs want to be paid then good for them. Whatever they get it wont be enough. This might leave some users feeling empowered though - they would feel they were owed answers as they had paid "where is my promised bug fix you lazy asshole!". And we don't want that. So how about a testers thread for each ROM were the dev controls who can post and a general thread for each ROM were you have to pay to post ($0.20). It would encourage only real questions after peole have searched.
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You are so so right about that!!
Thats why i would never want to sell anything here..
Can you imagine what they would do to me???
I mean i get abuse from offering free stuff for so many devices... can you imagine making money for it? People would think im their slave...
goodgood hahahahhahah
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Sorry guys.... As another dev shuts up shop due to users/noobs that don't read opening posts or explain the bugs they having.
Custom roms will soon be a thing of the pass.
I for one knows how much time/effort goes into making a rom. It's no easy task. The amount of flashing/bricking to bring roms to us.
All the roms on xda are free but if this continues then devs may start charging for their roms (maybe not on xda but who knows) Wouldn't blame them really though.
All users need to understand if we don't have devs on Android. Then basically we will end up like iPhone users that are locked down. We should be grateful for all devs that brings us root without it then no custom roms would exist.
Do the Android community wanna end up like iPhone? I doubt it very much.
Respect the devs
Read the first post, search the thread! All answers are there. This excuse "I searched but couldn't find anything" is BS basically.
We will lose them all eventually.
Rant over.
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goodgood verygood
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You are so so right about that!!
Thats why i would never want to sell anything here..
Can you imagine what they would do to me???
I mean i get abuse from offering free stuff for so many devices... can you imagine making money for it? People would think im their slave...
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Gasp! I donated $1!!!!! You mean I don't own you????
So, as a stock 4.4.2 user, who thank God did not allow upgrade to lollypoop, or marshmoron, who just TODAY rooted (and unrooted 5 minutes later) just to regain power for all apps to WRITE to external sd, who can still use any and all bluetooth keyboards....I have a question.
Riddle me this, code monkeys..... We want fast, snappy loading of selected apps, great opreational speed, best possible battery life and a truly customizable interface (think touchwiz on steroids), multi window (4+) support, support for available bluetooth devices, reliable wifi connections, and stunning, I mean wet you lips, drool down the side of your mouth, high resolution graphics. And it all has to be rock solid reliable.
Have you got that available?
I await you response.
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So, as a stock 4.4.2 user, who thank God did not allow upgrade to lollypoop, or marshmoron, who just TODAY rooted (and unrooted 5 minutes later) just to regain power for all apps to WRITE to external sd, who can still use any and all bluetooth keyboards....I have a question.
Riddle me this, code monkeys..... We want fast, snappy loading of selected apps, great opreational speed, best possible battery life and a truly customizable interface (think touchwiz on steroids), multi window (4+) support, support for available bluetooth devices, reliable wifi connections, and stunning, I mean wet you lips, drool down the side of your mouth, high resolution graphics. And it all has to be rock solid reliable.
Have you got that available?
I await you response.
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Here is a riddle, what has 16 paragraphs, and is used to govern the Forums on XDA.....
The Forum Rules, read them, before posting and especially posting this in the Original Development Section, here is a hint read #15
And no response required, just read and understand the Rules.
globalsearch said:
So, as a stock 4.4.2 user, who thank God did not allow upgrade to lollypoop, or marshmoron, who just TODAY rooted (and unrooted 5 minutes later) just to regain power for all apps to WRITE to external sd, who can still use any and all bluetooth keyboards....I have a question.
Riddle me this, code monkeys..... We want fast, snappy loading of selected apps, great opreational speed, best possible battery life and a truly customizable interface (think touchwiz on steroids), multi window (4+) support, support for available bluetooth devices, reliable wifi connections, and stunning, I mean wet you lips, drool down the side of your mouth, high resolution graphics. And it all has to be rock solid reliable.
Have you got that available?
I await you response.
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Get your root back and install 'L Speed' from the google play.
Judge Joseph Dredd said:
Here is a riddle, what has 16 paragraphs, and is used to govern the Forums on XDA.....
The Forum Rules, read them, before posting and especially posting this in the Original Development Section, here is a hint read #15
And no response required, just read and understand the Rules.
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I am stunned. As a programmer for more than 35 years, I have seen my share of things. While I did read the rules before any posting, I understood that this section was for development. And in keeping with that, I addressed the lack of direction, foresight, and practicality that is so evident in the android world. Kids running the train as it runs off the rails. So my post was to set a marker, a direction, a call to focus and what is really the purpose of all this "development".
I am shocked to be chided for pointing out the obvious, for speaking truth to the very posters IN THIS SECTION. Because, believe me, they seriously need it.
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I am stunned. As a programmer for more than 35 years, I have seen my share of things. While I did read the rules before any posting, I understood that this section was for development. And in keeping with that, I addressed the lack of direction, foresight, and practicality that is so evident in the android world. Kids running the train as it runs off the rails. So my post was to set a marker, a direction, a call to focus and what is really the purpose of all this "development".
I am shocked to be chided for pointing out the obvious, for speaking truth to the very posters IN THIS SECTION. Because, believe me, they seriously need it.
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And by this section I meant the Development section I originally posted in, only to have my comment bounced to this area. It defeats its purpose.
globalsearch said:
And by this section I meant the Development section I originally posted in, only to have my comment bounced to this area. It defeats its purpose.
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So you're saying that you still haven't read the rules, right? Here's #15, as hinted above:
Development Forums (ones with the word development in the title) - For Developers to post release threads e.g. ROMs and Kernels including modifications to kernels, bootloaders, ROMs, etc., as well as R&D development discussion threads designed with an end goal
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I don't think it's really that hard to understand that the development forums section on XDA are meant for developers to post about their work and open up discussions about them. It's not for non-developers to create threads to ask questions, request for features, or, as you said, to "set a marker, a direction, a call to focus and what is really the purpose of all this "development" (what would you call this type of post, maybe 'a challenge'?). Yeah, it's not for that.
So it was the perfect thing to do for the mod, and it's not even debatable. What would make it defeat its purpose is if the mods simply let your post stay there.
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So you're saying that you still haven't read the rules, right? Here's #15, as hinted above:
I don't think it's really that hard to understand that the development forums section on XDA are meant for developers to post about their work and open up discussions about them. It's not for non-developers to create threads to ask questions, request for features, or, as you said, to "set a marker, a direction, a call to focus and what is really the purpose of all this "development" (what would you call this type of post, maybe 'a challenge'?). Yeah, it's not for that.
So it was the perfect thing to do for the mod, and it's not even debatable. What would make it defeat its purpose is if the mods simply let your post stay there.
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Seriously, did you read your post?
"""the development forums section on XDA are meant for developers to post about their work and open up discussions about them. It's not for non-developers to create threads to ask questions, request for features, or, as you said, to "set a marker, a direction, a call to focus and what is really the purpose of all this "development" (what would you call this type of post, maybe 'a challenge'?). Yeah, it's not for that.""""
I did open up a discussion. What, we have no rights? Just who the h%=€£ are the "developments" for? Seriously, you think it is some sacrosanct area for "developers" living in some bubble?
First of all, I too am a programmer. Have been writing applications since BEFORE 1980. I know a thing or two. And pardon me for pointing out that the "development" has been for the most part misguided, ineffective, guideless and practically useless. None of the packages take into account the tons of complaints and suggestions android has generated. So throwing a flag on the field and setting a marker, jesus, that is what this infantile operating system needs.
You know who the explorers and heroes are? They are the ones on the front lines, dead, with arrows in their backs.
Maybe someone should point out, that with all of androids potential, after years of "development", it is still a POS.
globalsearch said:
Seriously, did you read your post?
"""the development forums section on XDA are meant for developers to post about their work and open up discussions about them. It's not for non-developers to create threads to ask questions, request for features, or, as you said, to "set a marker, a direction, a call to focus and what is really the purpose of all this "development" (what would you call this type of post, maybe 'a challenge'?). Yeah, it's not for that.""""
I did open up a discussion. What, we have no rights? Just who the h%=€£ are the "developments" for? Seriously, you think it is some sacrosanct area for "developers" living in some bubble?
First of all, I too am a programmer. Have been writing applications since BEFORE 1980. I know a thing or two. And pardon me for pointing out that the "development" has been for the most part misguided, ineffective, guideless and practically useless. None of the packages take into account the tons of complaints and suggestions android has generated. So throwing a flag on the field and setting a marker, jesus, that is what this infantile operating system needs.
You know who the explorers and heroes are? They are the ones on the front lines, dead, with arrows in their backs.
Maybe someone should point out, that with all of androids potential, after years of "development", it is still a POS.
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Woe to the man telling the truth or pointing out the emperor without clothes.
Stab away, Brutus.
globalsearch said:
Seriously, did you read your post?
"""the development forums section on XDA are meant for developers to post about their work and open up discussions about them. It's not for non-developers to create threads to ask questions, request for features, or, as you said, to "set a marker, a direction, a call to focus and what is really the purpose of all this "development" (what would you call this type of post, maybe 'a challenge'?). Yeah, it's not for that.""""
I did open up a discussion. What, we have no rights? Just who the h%=€£ are the "developments" for? Seriously, you think it is some sacrosanct area for "developers" living in some bubble?
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Let me try this again. Yes, you have a right to open up a discussion. Having said that, the rules of XDA is (as you could read again, I did bold the keywords to make it easier for you), to open up a discussion in the forums that are marked as 'Development', you need to create/develop something first, and then you can open up a thread for a discussion about whatever it is that you developed. That's it. If you haven't developed anything and wanted to discuss something else not in relation with a very specific app/kernel/rom/etc. specifically related to this device, if you wanted to start that discussion then it will have to take place somewhere else other than the development forum. This really isn't obvious to you already? Just look at all the threads in the development forum, do you see any pattern at all? Any sign whatsoever that the post that started this thread somehow belong in there?
First of all, I too am a programmer. Have been writing applications since BEFORE 1980. I know a thing or two. And pardon me for pointing out that the "development" has been for the most part misguided, ineffective, guideless and practically useless. None of the packages take into account the tons of complaints and suggestions android has generated. So throwing a flag on the field and setting a marker, jesus, that is what this infantile operating system needs.
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Well good for you, mr. programmer! Feel free to develop something and post it on the development forum, where a discussion about it should take place. Maybe I'll pop in and discuss it with you, if it's interesting for me. Also, feel free to post how 'misguided, ineffective, guideless, and useless' all the posts in the development forum is. You absolutely can do that, too. You just can't do it.. (guess where? that's right!) ...in the development forum, because that forum is to discuss developments of something concrete, not critiques and complaints or whatever it is you think you're doing now. Simple!
You're just pretending that you didn't get it, right?
You know who the explorers and heroes are? They are the ones on the front lines, dead, with arrows in their backs.
Maybe someone should point out, that with all of androids potential, after years of "development", it is still a POS.
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Woe to the man telling the truth or pointing out the emperor without clothes.
Stab away, Brutus.
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See now you're just rambling there. Well, go ahead, continue...
There is the letter and there is the spirit.
Get it?
Enough already: thread closed.
Hi there new userThis website isn't familiar with you, is it? Well let me introduce it to you my little fellow, this is xda-developpers.com, a forum where -previously android enthusiasts, now smartphone enthusiasts- share content, ask questions, give advices and answers, in order to customize our phone expirience. XDA has been a home for small project before they became very successful, one of the best examples is @zx2c4 's WireGuard, that has been integrated into the linux kernel now and will be available natively in Android 12 (source). zx2c4 has been developing this project in its early days for Android and ROM integration here at XDA. All of that to say, XDA is great, because of the community, and also the Moderation team that work their asses off to maintain XDA as spam free as possible. (am a mod now lol)
You know, I had the feeling that you'd come here first and start frenetically posting about how you feel, but there are some RULES (ta da) that you'll have to follow before posting about why you only buy product red iPhones in a 100 lines post. Here are some useful links to learn how to properly use and post on XDA.
Before reading them tho, finish this post first (there's a surprise down there),and go check out this one minute video to understand what xda is all about.
Read tha RuleS
You know the rules, and so do I
Welcome to XDA
you can use the report button, it's not snitching, it's asking for help
how to properly name and write a post
Your "career" as XDA forum user
The rest of the link are here
Now that I got your attention with the surprise thing, keep reading. I perfectly know that you will click on the first link and read half of it, because those are really long reads, but trust me it's worth it in the end. I'll make a summary of what you absolutely need to know before doing anything:
1-Questions about iPhones belongs here, xda has to keep the forum organised, every sections has a title that needs to be respected, for example "Android Q'n'A" is for Q'n'A related to ANDROID, do not post pictures of di.. I mean dogs, or questions about iPhones or about your Roomba not working. This is the most common problem with newbies on XDA. If you post properly, you won't get bashed by experimented users.
2-Press that frickin thank button
each time someone helps you, it's very important (you can give 8 thanks per day)unlimited now
3-Don't discuss anything else than android, in android forums. This means NO POLITICAL DISCUTION
3bis-You can't sell anything on XDA, and for paid software, there are strict rules before promoting them on XDA. Read THIS
4-You need at least to read the rules, I know this isn't funny and stuff, but you have to. And follow the rules! Otherwise you'll feel how hard the ban hammer in the hands of a powerful user (@T.C.Stockdale, @coal686, @xanthrax, and much more fearless hammer wielders)
5-You can't change your username once you chose it, so choose wisely (also you can ask @MikeChannon through PMs to change it, so please stop asking)
6-Be nice, even if some users are kinda bashing you because you're a n00b, and don't worry, if you read this you won't be a n00b anymore, but a new user, and I'll have a talk with these users after that (it's the "Quick message for you fellow "old" XDA users" in the title)
7-Enjoy the forums, there's so much to learn here! Although it's android only for the moment, new developers from the iPhone community will come (hopefully) and share content with you, so you can enjoy
Here is the surprise: ?, you deserved it, now you're a little more aware of what you're doing
Now for experimented iPhone users, hello there !You may know already everything I've said above because I guess you're coming from another forum to check if xda is just garbage or if it's great, and since you're experimented, you've had the curiosity to read all of this until there. Well let me tell you things that you'll be interested in. First XDA is kind of an old forum (if you want the full story: part 1, part 2). This interface isn't 2020, in fact it's has been designed and applied in 2015 (not so recently lol). And this forum uses vBulletin right now. So if you know what I'm talking about, it sounds like xda is outdated, but don't worry, it's now time for Xenforo and XDA 2020 interface (check this out). You're the core of the iPhone community, and you know it. As you make mods, find jailbreak exploits and other cool stuff, you allow other users to enjoy for free (most of the time lol) your content. XDA is all about sharing knowledge, content, etc... and has a huge community, so your work will be taken to a whole new dimension since you'll now be able to be directly in touch with a huge part of the community. I'm sure that you had your own favourite forum, but try out xda, it can only better the experience, because if YOU come, other developers will too, and make iPhone and Android Developers cooperate to make, who knows, one of the greatest piece of software ever created. I can't wait to see what is going to come out of this!
Now, a message to all fellow "before iPhone forums" XDA users:If you're really old, you may remember this video, I got a flashback when seeing this forum opened lol.
This is crazy, I'd never have thought XDA would open iPhone forums, yet they did.
I use both Android and iOS, and to be honest, I've tried iOS, and it's way less "featureful" than Android, the design language is appealing, but having a phone with which you can't even access internal storage is kind of a joke to me.
But each of us have our own opinions, right ?
The thing that'll really change here is the community. I think that the Portal team and XDA admins thought this decision through for a long time. Because since XDA is well known around tech enthusiasts (Android or Apple), Apple enthusiasts will eventually popularize XDA among the more unexperimented iOS users seeking for a way to have [MOD INFINITE VBUCKS FORTNITE LEGIT 1000% WORKING read the description], and that's what I wanted to talk about.
More seriously, it'll bring some of the very experimented users that will eventually provide this forum with very useful guides and Mods, but it will also bring A LOT of newbies. XDA was also known in the past for n00b bashing Android beginners, and now it's the Apple ones...
I know that sometimes it's hard to hear the same questions over and over again and not being infuriated and upset, but I'll ask you, please, to don't bash the crap out of iPhone newbies, if they become developers who knows how they'll improve our experience with maybe cross-plateform development. I know what I say isn't something that you didn't heard before, but please be patient with them, I mean they're not so weak that they're scared by the first critic that hits them, but if we can keep this clean and have a good relationship with them, maybe our two communities will finally end this war that has lasted for eons before us.
Well thank you for reading this until the end, you're very brave. My teachers always said I couldn't be concise when saying something, well they were damn right. Hope you have a good day.
Edit #1: Typos, a lot of them !
Edit #2: Updating color for dark mode user of XDA 2021, the look changed, the rules are the same !
Edit #3: Removing cringy poll
Edit #4: Updating some link here and there
Raiz said:
4-You need at least to read the rules, I know this isn't funny and stuff, but you have to. And follow the rules! Otherwise you'll feel how hard the ban hammer in the hands of a powerful user (@T.C.Stockdale, @coal686, @xanthrax, and much more fearless hammer wielders)
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Thank you for mentioning me with these other two great guys. I prefer not to use the ban hammer; the carrot is better than the stick.
Welcome iPhone users! We hope we can get some good iPhone discussion and development going on here. :good:
On behalf of the portal team and the wider leadership team behind XDA as a whole, thanks for this message! It sums up everything really well and we're excited to see how these iPhone forums go.
If anyone has questions about the iPhone 12, feel free to ask (I am using one right now)!
I am now using the iPhone 12 pro max as my main phone and something said go check out xda. Glad to know there’s somewhat of an iphone section. I’m sure I’m not the only one that realized there’s an iPhone developers site but it’s dead.
aarongotgame said:
I am now using the iPhone 12 pro max as my main phone and something said go check out xda. Glad to know there’s somewhat of an iphone section. I’m sure I’m not the only one that realized there’s an iPhone developers site but it’s dead.
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Are you talking about that oooold website ?
http://iphone-developers.com/
It was the first attempt to make an iPhone forum.
* Nostalgic music playing in the background*
There are still some relevant pieces of infos there.
Check out this section for basic "what is jailbreak" guides http://iphone-developers.com/page/iphone-jailbreak-guides-resources/
And this one for instant nostalgia:
http://iphone-developers.com/index.php/app-reviews/
Raiz said:
Are you talking about that oooold website ?
http://iphone-developers.com/
It was the first attempt to make an iPhone forum.
* Nostalgic music playing in the background*
There are still some relevant pieces of infos there.
Check out this section for basic "what is jailbreak" guides http://iphone-developers.com/page/iphone-jailbreak-guides-resources/
And this one for instant nostalgia:
http://iphone-developers.com/index.php/app-reviews/
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Yes lol I was like Wow. I went to the jailbreak wizard. That was nice that an attempt was made to even start a full independent developers site.
@Raiz Rules link in op is old
old: https://forum.xda-developers.com/announcement.php?a=81
new: https://forum.xda-developers.com/t/xda-developers-forum-rules.4200559/