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@ zelendel

Why joo close my thread?
Seriously though, I think there is a different between saying 'whats the best rom' and 'whats your favorite rom'
Whats the best rom can't be answered because that comes down to personal choice, however whats your favorite rom is asking what roms people have liked and if anything encourages people to flash more roms and try them all thus get more donations out to the makers of these roms that people might not have tried without reading about someone elses experience with that rom.
Anyways I just think there should be like one thread where people can talk about the roms they like. Not saying any roms are better than any other ones, just talking about roms!
What do you guys think?
*pls dont flame me*

I agree. My personal favorite is Andromeda simply because all the other ones suck ass. I'm not saying it's the best, just that based on my criterion of not sucking ass Andromeda is my favorite.
I'm just kidding about other ROMs sucking ass. Quite a few don't.

Skdi said:
I just think there should be like one thread where people can talk about the roms they like. Not saying any roms are better than any other ones, just talking about roms!
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Because what you stated is bound to happen lol.
Sad but true, but someone is going to say "well this made my gps outstanding!!" and some other jackass will say "well that bricked my phone"..... Blah blah blah, someone is bound to flame and turn the thread into a pissing match.

Should have sent this in a PM instead of questioniing how a mod operates in the forum. If you simply spend some time reading, like I said in your previous thread, you can get a pretty good idea what ROMs are the most used (and therefore, favorite) of many of the users in here. Scanning the sigs of members who have more than 30 posts and have been here awhile also provides some insight. The question is the same, best...favorite, it all comes down to what YOU want out of a ROM and how YOU plan to use it. My favorite might not be yours, so what value does telling you I love Andromeda 1.2 really have? None, until you try it for yourself.

Oh, and if you need more clarification, try this thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=919816
Since you obviously can't see the Stickies.

Thats a good point, yeah I just wanted to get other people on the forums opinions though. I dunno I just think that these threads are being made everyday for a reason, people wanna talk about the roms they like and hear about the roms other people like. Yeah its still down to preference but whats wrong with it? If people start flaming or talking **** about other roms then delete the thread, I really doubt people will do that though. Most people on this forum love flashing roms and want to try them all anyways. So why cant we talk about the ones we currently like!
Edit: And I'm not asking about this because I'm lazy and don't want to look at all the roms myself, I already have and I have flashed quite a few already. And there are lots of cool ones out there that aren't the most popular.

We should have a poll. But no posting allowed, just vote and carry on.
Like they do for the device of the year awards.

Miami_Son said:
Should have sent this in a PM instead of questioniing how a mod operates in the forum. If you simply spend some time reading, like I said in your previous thread, you can get a pretty good idea what ROMs are the most used (and therefore, favorite) of many of the users in here. Scanning the sigs of members who have more than 30 posts and have been here awhile also provides some insight.
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Please do not open threads randomly. Spend some time reading. Patience is the key. And like miami said, send PM. Don't open public threads like this. Be glad he didn't ban u.

Zelendel said:
3.....2.....1..... Sorry for slacking guys things have been crazy lol Internet went out last night.
The reason Best Rom Threads and Fav threads get closed so fast is that it all comes down to personal choice as each rom can and has run differently on each device.
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So this does not tell you why he closed your thread?
I can't wait to see how long this thread takes to get locked. Individual ROM threads do enough for people to decide on what might or might not work well. Ultimately as you have already been told, you will need to just flash different ROM's because my favorite might not work on your phone.

They also get closed because it becomes a flame fest. And yes. Please just pm zel next time.

ICSSGS vs ICS 9 Alpha?

Can someone that has tried both of these ICS projects comment on how they differ and perform?
I'd like to upgrade to ICS, but would rather do so after reading a comparison.
TIA!

No, you have to make that decision on your own. This is a biased question that only you can answer.
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b-eock said:
No, you have to make that decision on your own. This is a biased question that only you can answer.
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How is it a biased question?
Surely someone could list the pros and cons of both options?
This is the logical way to choose things.
It is done for everything else (phones, cars, computers, etc), why not ICS builds?

That's a ridiculous position b-eock. raz123 wasn't asking which one was better. He was asking for comments and/or a comparison about how they operate, and what others' experiences have been with the two -- SO THAT he can make his decision on his own. He wasn't asking others to make the decision for him. Last I checked, requesting opinions and feedback of others wasn't inherently "biased". Telling raz123 that he isn't allowed to research and has to just try it out is like telling someone they're not allowed to read product reviews before making purchases.
Please stop trying so hard to be a backseat moderator and actually read the question instead of automatically spewing a canned response.

ultima528 said:
That's a ridiculous position b-eock. raz123 wasn't asking which one was better. He was asking for comments and/or a comparison about how they operate, and what others' experiences have been with the two -- SO THAT he can make his decision on his own. He wasn't asking others to make the decision for him. Last I checked, requesting opinions and feedback of others wasn't inherently "biased". Telling raz123 that he isn't allowed to research and has to just try it out is like telling someone they're not allowed to read product reviews before making purchases.
Please stop trying so hard to be a backseat moderator and actually read the question instead of automatically spewing a canned response.
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Umm read it and read it again! He can search instead of making a new thread and asking for opinions. Any way you wanna re word it, it is still opinion based question.!
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b-eock said:
Umm read it and read it again! He can search instead of making a new thread and asking for opinions. Any way you wanna re word it, it is still opinion based question.!
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Any review will always contain a certain amount of subjectivity, regardless of the product. Yet, reviews exist for a reason, correct?
AFAIK, there is no review for either projects that lists the pros and cons of the project.
Unless I missed such a review, in which case, feel free to link me.

Opinions can be either subjective or objective. I fail to see how asking for opinions makes a question biased. It's a biased question if someone asks "in what ways are ROM X worse than ROM Y?" (as the asker would've obviously already made a judgement call), but that clearly isn't what happened here.
Why am I bothering to argue this point? Because you're shutting out a perfectly valid request for discussion. Sure, we can "search" and find another instance where you similarly shut the thread out. We can also look in the respective developer threads and see people complaining about their pet bug, but that doesn't make it a comparison between the two ROMs, and that doesn't make it indicative of the users' overall experiences with the ROMs as a whole.
And actually, no, this isn't an "opinion based" question (not that there's anything inherently wrong with opinions). Experiences -- unless fabricated or misinterpreted -- are fact; they happened, and the user didn't just "feel" like they happened.
SO. I think the thread has been sufficiently derailed already. Let's try to get it back on track with a real discussion.

What ever, it is reported for offensive language and best ROM thread. Let Reinbeau make the decision!
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I have tried both the CM9 alpha and ICSGS RC2. Personally I liked the CM's version better and have experienced better performance with theirs ...

tim. said:
I have tried both the CM9 alpha and ICSGS RC2. Personally I liked the CM's version better and have experienced better performance with theirs ...
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Thanks for the input.
Can you provide details as to the pros and cons of each?

b-eock said:
What ever, it is reported for offensive language and best ROM thread. Let Reinbeau make the decision!
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Whatever man, let her close all the other questioning the difference between two roms threads then /s
To me, ICSSGS seemed a little less polished when I tried the Beta 2 compared to Build 13 on upwards for the teamhacksung port. The only thing that really got me about ICSSGS, was after 5 or so days it seemed to really slow down to where a reboot was needed. I'm not sure how the ICSSGS one does it, but it's annoying to me to have to reflash gapps with each new build of the hacksung port, I never had to do that with CM Nightlies so not sure why I do now, but it's really not that big of a deal. Anyways, thats my $.02, try them both out, they're both great!

I've run most of both ICS ROM's(Except the latest ICSSGS) from the start.
To me they are both very similar in performance, I feel THS is a bit better.
I'm not a HUGE fan of pure ASOP Rom's, I like having a little bit of customization, which I get with THS's ROM. I haven't been completely been following ICSSGS's thread since THS came out with Build 14. I was VERY happy with it, B14 was filling in all of the little quirks that I was not too happy with and didn't feel the need to get into ICSSGS's V3. Some folks have been having SOD issues with THS B14/15, I have not had any myself until I started messing with kernels.
Now I don't want to say that I was at all unhappy with ICSSGS's ROM, it's a really great ROM, but with my device(as we all know, each can be a bit different). I feel THS was doing it a little bit better for me.
Hope this info helps some

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This is a 'Best ROM' thread, as such, they are always closed, because they always descend into nastiness.

Looking For Talented Devs to Help With a Rom

Hi I'm kinda new into the development side of android coding, but I know about flashing and the other goodies. I would like to create a team to help me and our android community a revolutionary ROM for our device and then release to other developers to port to other devices. I know that I'm probably going to get ridiculed for posting this hear but I have a few cool ideas that I would like to share that I think would make the Android experience on our phone way cooler.
Here are some of the features that I want to add into the ROM that I want help developing that don't exist and that may already exist:
Add widgets and apps into the pull down menu bar and implement that to when the device is locked. Its kinda like the same idea as in 4.2 but I think can be made more better and efficient.
Various build.prop tweaks for better performance.
Removing the bloatware apps from the ROM for more system space and better battery life.
Automatically drop 4g into 3g after a certain amount of time when phone is not being heavily used for better battery life.
Add a widget to switch between 4g and 3g into the notification bar.
Implement the auto arrangement of apps and widgets on the home screen into ICS like jelly bean has if we build off a stock ICS base.
Implement the 4.2 camera app
Implement the 4.2 gallery app
Implement the 4.2 keyboard app
Implement the 4.2 Gmail app
Implement Google Now
Implement a fully working Google wallet app
Add options to switch betwewn a scrolling/non scrolling wallpaper.
Add options to switch between a 5x5/5x4/4x4 launcher.
Add an option when listening to music to go into airplane mode to save battery life.
Add various audio tweaks for enhanced audio.
Increase the auto sync delay over network connection for better battery life.
Implement a CPU/GPU app to overclock for better performance and underclock for better battery life.
Add better and customizable auto brightness settings.
Allow for custom boot images.
Add 4 way Reboot menu.
Add a brightness slider.
Implement an unlocked bootloader.
Implement holding the back button to kill an app.
Possibly implement the Sony Bravia Engine.
Implement nexus 4 notification sounds.
And possibly implement multiview for apps.
I know that some of these things already exists and I think some of the things that don't exist in our current ROMs can be created with some creative coding.
I think that if this project gets up and running we could build this off of a stock VZW JB ROM or we could build this off of a stock ICS ROM .
Let me know what you guys think about this maybe insane idea level of modification to a ROM and hopefully we can get something started.
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This belongs in General section.

CleanROM Lite Edition, Pimp My Rom. There's most of what you requested lol
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Just run away. I suspect this NEVER happening.

Mod delete this
iSheep... iSheep... Meowww that's Apple

Dear OP,
Perhaps my response will be more enlightening that some of the others.
First things first. It is understandable to ask for help developing a rom. We all had to start somewhere. We all made mistakes and we all had breakthroughs and anyone who denies this is lying.
Second. Just as we started out from nothing and grown into the devs we are, we had to start by learning on our own. Might I suggest getting a zip of a stock rom and messing with it. Add this, Remove that. Mess up, and restart. Then once you have that, perhaps look at compiling source based roms such as Cyanogenmod. Not only will this get you more comfortable with coding, but rather get you used to spending hours infront of a monitor.
Third, Move from CM to aosp. I know it sounds counter intuitive, but with aosp, you are force to be more creative. Learn how to cherry pick and how to run diffs and such.
Fourth, start something. Anything to show you are making an effort rather than asking for others to code it and hope you get the credit.
This by no means is meant to discourage you, but you will go further and enjoy your creation more if YOU physically stick your hands in the code and mess with it.
Have a great day
atc3030

Considering you never dev'd before maybe try taking baby steps instead of listing every feature under the sun that you want in a Rom plus feature that don't really exist yet.
That does not sound like someone wanting to learn how to dev but more like finding someone to make a Rom for them. We all have the talent to list every feature under the sun we would like to see. That does not qualify someone for dev training. lol

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What a supportive community
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sumredhed567 said:
What a supportive community
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i know right

sumredhed567 said:
What a supportive community
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To be fair, had this been posted in general (the correct section) he would have gotten much more help. However people come here looking for ROMs and lately are seeing all these question or incorrect posts.
I hope he does develop something, the more devs the better!
I also think lt would be best if he had something to show before asking for help because basically he is requesting some one build a ROM for him right now.
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hockeyplayr said:
i know right
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No kidding. I was gonna put some stuff up after finals......makes me second guess that whole idea......apparently you're either Elite or complete **** and ridiculed....

TechSavvy2 said:
No kidding. I was gonna put some stuff up after finals......makes me second guess that whole idea......apparently you're either Elite or complete **** and ridiculed....
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I think you're missing the point. He asked for help on a ROM he was thinking about making and posted it in the wrong section on top of that. The biggest problem is posting on the wrong forum though By all means release a ROM and purple will appreciate it.
However, release something then ask for help on some features you want to add and other devs will probably help.
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This is this guys second wrong forum post. He has not learned anything..... http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=31735978#post31735978

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Everyone is supportive here helping this guy not set himself up for failure.
Also, if one does not know the difference between a development thread and a general or q&a thread after already making the mistake once then they have a lot to learn before developing anything...

[email protected] said:
Everyone is supportive here helping this guy not set himself up for failure.
Also, if one does not know the difference between a development thread and a general or q&a thread after already making the mistake once then they have a lot to learn before developing anything...
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He's by no means a developer this is a guy not asking, but essentially demanding people make him a ROM.

The XDA police are in full effect...
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Ok here's where I, usually the quiet guy, am going to get flamed I'm sure. I do understand site rules, and the need for organization. BUT, that said, why does everyone have to be totally anal about it all the time here? The "General" and "Q&A" sections here are TOO General. Everything root-related, not root-related,app-related, plan-related,..etc..etc...etc..etc....(you get my point) ALL gets thrown into the same section. This REALLY degrades from questions or statements getting the attention they NEED half the time. Who wants to sift through 5 pages before they find a question they can answer? Not most people. And to put it frankly, the general attitude around here really bites.
In the OP's defense, the Development section(again another generalized,cluttered section), is EXACTLY where I would want to post a question such as this. It just makes SENSE for it to be here. Would I? No. Why? Because I will get a cyber-smack in the nose for doing it, and breaking the iron-clad-follow-the-rules-or-else rule. In fact, I have posted threads in the Q&A and general sections for various devices here at XDA, and guess what? Only one of said threads got me any answers, and NONE got the attention of the people that needed to see them.
Time to rethink our attitudes, guys. The sense of "community" here is lacking..big time. Take some time to venture into other android websites, and search out XDA on them. You'll see TONS of gripes, and TONS of users that will not come here because of the "Snobiness".. to mention only one of the things that is said.
It's a terrible shame to see such a HUGE resource as this site is be filled with the attitude it is, and have such a bad name externally
Flame me, and you just prove my point.
Mods, if I have violated too many rules, please send me a PM, but also please provide me with a name I can contact high-up so I can also talk to them. My apologies, but I'm just fed up with it, but at the same time this is THE place to be for most of my android needs.
Just food for thought.. carry on people and enjoy your day/night.

@Atari... don't want to quote your long post but the development section is the easiest one to figure out especially if you read the guidelines. If you didn't develop something it doesn't go here. How much simpler can it be?
A question about development is not development. Imagine if it was. The actual ROM downloads would end up being on the 2nd and 3rd pages and lost in people just posting questions.

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@Atari... don't want to quote your long post but the development section is the easiest one to figure out especially if you read the guidelines. If you didn't develop something it doesn't go here. How much simpler can it be?
A question about development is not development. Imagine if it was. The actual ROM downloads would end up being on the 2nd and 3rd pages and lost in people just posting questions.
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Point taken. At least there could be a development Q&A though. His question would most likely have fallen to page 2 or three of the current Q&A section in no time, as many of the questions do.

My observations being a noob in the Android world

Coming from being an iPhone fanboy, I was well aware of the snooty attitudes that are rampant over there. Now that I have a taste of the Android side, I have learned a few things, some the hard way, and one thing I've noticed is how the attitudes are much the same. I have met some cool people with some great ideas and skills, and there are even a few that will answer questions. I get that some get annoyed at the asking of the same questions over and over. However, as a Dev, you should be expecting this. As Android takes more and more market share, new people are coming into this (like me) and trying to learn as much as we can. Some want simple answers, some want more complicated ones. I did a lot of the research myself, watching videos, Google searches, etc. But some people don't know how to, or just aren't computer literate.
XDA is a GREAT resource for information. But like other sites, sometimes you have to word your searches just right or you get nothing close to what you are trying to find out. Not the site's fault, it's just the way search engines are. So a hoard of people head into the threads, asking questions, and mostly getting good answers, But, as I have trolled through, I notice a lot of attitudes coming from devs, or friends of devs as they attack people because they didn't have 4 hours to troll though 500 pages in a thread, reading each and every post. Hoping their question was asked and answered before. If that makes you angry, maybe you should just make your ROMs and share them with a few friends and call it a day. From what I can see, most of the ROMs are pretty much the same in a lot of respects. I know the difference between TW ROMs and AOSP ROMs. I did the homework. I learned the hard way by soft bricking my phone, and I researched and got myself out of that jam thanks to the videos and postings of some nice people. There are a lot of people that don't have the PC skills or the time to do that. And even more that have no idea about message boards and how they work. BTW, the term "flaming" someone is as irritating to me as those people that ask the same questions over and over are to you. This is almost 2013. Terms like that are the exact reason I hate having to use message boards. Not everyone is as knowledgeable as you are. It doesn't mean they are dumb, they just don't want to learn, or they don't have the time.
I guess I'm trying to say, if you are going to put yourself out there by developing a ROM for free, and then complain because someone asks you a question or bugs you because you haven't updated it, maybe you should just all start charging for the ROMs. I will go back to stock myself, but I'm sure there are a few that will pay to have a few extras a little ahead of time. Then your base will shrink, allowing you to breathe easier knowing you are getting paid for your time. Maybe then, you will have to be a little nicer, more customer friendly. If you don't think you are getting the recognition you deserve, then don't do it. I know many would miss the customization, but they would quickly forget about it and find something else to do. And by the way, I have never had an issue like this. I'm strictly speaking from an observers point of view. Matter of fact, I may start doing some reviews, that will include not only the ROM itself, but the developers attitude when it comes to helping people through their issues. I think people should have the right to know if they are going to get help or not when choosing a ROM or other custom feature.
In closing, a lot of questions could be answered if some threads were created and "stickied" that explain the basic functions and directions dealing with flashing ROMs. It seems a lot of the "bugs" people experience are actually explainable because they had no clue what a clean flash vs dirty flashing was. Or that if you had Nova on one ROM, then flashed another ROM and Nova auto installed along with your other apps, that you would have to uninstall Nova to avoid problems. Or that CM kernels are not compatible with TW kernels and if the new ROM you are flashing doesn't install a new kernel, your new ROM may not be compatible with the one left behind form the old. Stuff like that. Sorry for the long post. Again, I have had no problems with anyone on here, dev or not, I just have seen a lot of this happening. And a lot of the attitudes are from dumb little things. You wanted to make ROMs, we all didn't force you to. And if you stop, others will take your place. I have seen that recently too, as soon as the new Nexus hit, a ton of devs left the SGS3 in the dust. But a few new guys showed up and have done a great job with their stuff. Congrats to them, I have found a good stable ROM because of this, and have received great support from this guy. He also regularly updates and interacts with the people taking the time to possibly brick their device to load his ROM. I hope more of those people show up in the future. Those are the people I will keep following and being patient with.

Most people usually help out, some don't. I just have a problem with developers thinking their **** don't stink as you'll learn if you venture out of this forum.

This thread is kinda out of line. Devs deliver us ROMs for free, who's to say what's expected and what's not? The only thing XDA requires devs to do is make their process or code open source, that's it. Devs aren't customer service reps, nor do they have to answer questions and play nice. They are doing us a favor by releasing the latest and the greatest bottom line. If your going to run a ROM, you should read the entire thread because there may be things you have to do, and if it weren't for people asking the same question over and over, threads would be half as long. If you dont have the time or the patience to do the research, you shouldn't be modding your device to begin with.
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Most people usually help out, some don't. I just have a problem with developers thinking their **** don't stink as you'll learn if you venture out of this forum.
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Yes, that does seem to be an issue. I notice too that the Original Android Devs are a little more snooty than the TW devs. Just my observation.

Do you honestly blame them? If they are going to spend hours and hours of their time coding, learning, and releasing ROMs for you, for free, and on top of it have you spend 10 mins maybe searching for an answer and then bothering them? I honestly don't blame them.
I've spent hours breaking things just to figure out how they work. Flashing things over and over and over again.
I wouldn't want to do that for hours on end, to have someone spend 10 mins, give up, and cry to me for help, then get mad when I didn't hand them the answer.
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Shibby87 said:
This thread is kinda out of line. Devs deliver us ROMs for free, who's to say what's expected and what's not? The only thing XDA requires devs to do is make their process or code open source, that's it. Devs aren't customer service reps, nor do they have to answer questions and play nice. They are doing us a favor by releasing the latest and the greatest bottom line. If your going to run a ROM, you should read the entire thread because there may be things you have to do, and if it weren't for people asking the same question over and over, threads would be half as long. If you dont have the time or the patience to do the research, you shouldn't be modding your device to begin with.
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You're right, they do deliver them for free. But people are trusting them and risking bricking a very expensive device to try their ROM and push their ROMs on other people. They willingly put themselves out there. We all could buy and use phones without customizing them. I'm just saying they act a little too fancy sometimes. Not all of them. Just a few.
Why is this out of line? I posted this in the general section. If I would have posted it anywhere else you would have said it should be in the General forum. See, you made one of my points for me. And last time I checked, I can say whatever I want. If the forum wants to cut it, fine. I'll deal with it on my outlet. No big deal.

Not going to lie, I think Android fanboys are worse than Apple fanboys from what I've seen. I was on a YouTube channel where a woman was talking about how she got an iPhone after selling her Galaxy Nexus and the comments were, "Go kill yourself iwhore", "Traitor sheep", "iSlut", Dumb bimbo etc. The most I see on Mac rumors are "poorphone" or no apps, or cheap looking. Whereas here, if you say iPhone you'll have a ton of people start calling you a sheep. I don't know, I think its incredible how ignorant some people are. Some people just like other things.
Galaxy SIII/Soon to be Note 2 owner once it comes in ftw.
Oh as an edit. That Instagram thing was awful a few months back when Android got instagram. iOS users were saying, "Oh now we get to see what poor people do" Terrible. Simply terrible.

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Do you honestly blame them? If they are going to spend hours and hours of their time coding, learning, and releasing ROMs for you, for free, and on top of it have you spend 10 mins maybe searching for an answer and then bothering them? I honestly don't blame them.
I've spent hours breaking things just to figure out how they work. Flashing things over and over and over again.
I wouldn't want to do that for hours on end, to have someone spend 10 mins, give up, and cry to me for help, then get mad when I didn't hand them the answer.
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I doubt people are giving up in 10 minutes and running for the forums. Most people don't want to risk any of this to possibly ruin their expensive phones. The point is, they put themselves out there and make themselves available on the forums. If they don't want to deal with noobs (which every one of you was at one time or another) then throw up a ROM on some site and leave it. I'm not blaming anyone for anything. I figured out a lot on my own too. I have asked very few questions of anyone. But there are a lot of people that don't have the time or knowledge to find all this out on their own. If they are being asked the same question over and over, maybe put those answers in the OP to begin with. I have seen quite a few ROMs posted with very little info in the OPs. They aer banking on everyone knowing what they are doing right off the bat.

And lets really clear some things up. Some of these "Devs" aren't really developing anything. They have the time and/or patience and utilize the kitchen to strip down a stock rom. They throw in some mods that real devs made and slap their name on it. Then ask for donations like they just did something incredible. I've tried just about every modified stock rom on xda and there was really no difference. And God forbid someone has anything negative to say about a rom.
And in regards to the aosp devs, if they dont want to be asked questions or don't want their work criticized they shouldn't be making roms for the public. This forum is filled with smart asses that think everyone should know what they know. Everyone at one point had to ask someone else for help because how else do you learn.
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RCITNet said:
And lets really clear some things up. Some of these "Devs" aren't really developing anything. They have the time and/or patience and utilize the kitchen to strip down a stock rom. They throw in some mods that real devs made and slap their name on it. Then ask for donations like they just did something incredible. I've tried just about every modified stock rom on xda and there was really no difference. And God forbid someone has anything negative to say about a rom.
And in regards to the aosp devs, if they dont want to be asked questions or don't want their work criticized they shouldn't be making roms for the public. This forum is filled with smart asses that think everyone should know what they know. Everyone at one point had to ask someone else for help because how else do you learn.
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This. This is the cancer invading xda lately. Ungrateful ****s...
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RCITNet said:
And lets really clear some things up. Some of these "Devs" aren't really developing anything. They have the time and/or patience and utilize the kitchen to strip down a stock rom. They throw in some mods that real devs made and slap their name on it. Then ask for donations like they just did something incredible. I've tried just about every modified stock rom on xda and there was really no difference. And God forbid someone has anything negative to say about a rom.
And in regards to the aosp devs, if they dont want to be asked questions or don't want their work criticized they shouldn't be making roms for the public. This forum is filled with smart asses that think everyone should know what they know. Everyone at one point had to ask someone else for help because how else do you learn.
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That is why they are guides and info posted in op if bugs and such?
I sure did not post here when I was rooting oh I need some help with adb fastboot Odin what's the problem there are plenty of guides that cover everything
People just tend to give up so easily; that's how lazy the generation has become. Those guides posted helped me out and such. I didn't ask someone else for helped I did this on my own with a guide up on here now I know more than just rudimentary things of the android world I help people out but still gets annoying when you have 5 if the same threads I mean if I could find them why can't they? It's really not that hard.
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This thread is getting heated I see a monitor locking it soon
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As someone buying a G1 and not even knowing what rooting was, I have no sympathy for the winers. I soft bricked, got almost no sleep reading up on recovering it, and I never once posted a question. Now I'm flashing/recovering/restoring any device I want.
The devs spend countless hours working on making roms and apps for us, the least you could do is research (hours if necessary) before asking the same questions that have been answered previously. If you can't handle common sense tasks then a) don't root or flash b) stay with your iPhone
Not trying to rip anyone, but this is a pointless thread Imo.
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As someone buying a G1 and not even knowing what rooting was, I have no sympathy for the winers. I soft bricked, got almost no sleep reading up on recovering it, and I never once posted a question. Now I'm flashing/recovering/restoring any device I want.
The devs spend countless hours working on making roms and apps for us, the least you could do is research (hours if necessary) before asking the same questions that have been answered previously. If you can't handle common sense tasks then a) don't root or flash b) stay with your iPhone
Not trying to rip anyone, but this is a pointless thread Imo.
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Endorsed.
Replace G1 with D1 and that's my story. I googled. I bricked. I bricked a lot. And I read. End of story.
You make it seem like phone tinkering and flashing are a right, a service if you will. It's not. This is a site for phone geeks to share their work. You should be grateful it's not a paid service. Why fix something that's not broken? If you don't like the way it is, you have plenty of options out there. You are complaining about forums in general - it's not limited to xda.
For the record, your post was pretty good until the last paragraph. Didn't agree with that one, however - that's Ok. Your opinion. Just like this is mine...
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I do have to add though that out of like the 15 touchwiz stock ROMs out there, most of them are the same. And personally I think dev's should accept and take in whatever criticism they get for their ROM. As constructive criticism, so they can make their ROM better.
If they have no desire to make it better, then they should outright say their will only be one release. If they feel someone is being disrespectful, they should be the better person and tell them politely to not be so disrespectful. Just my opinion, and yes I am grateful for all the devs do here.
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NightxFall said:
I do have to add though that out of like the 15 touchwiz stock ROMs out there, most of them are the same. And personally I think dev's should accept and take in whatever criticism they get for their ROM. As constructive criticism, so they can make their ROM better.
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Constructive criticism is fine. What's annoying (even from a non-dev perspective) is the same question getting asked over and over again. Sometimes a dead horse is kicked up for 4-5 pages. Then once it finally dies down, some dude asks the same question. It's silly and unnecessary. If they Google their question followed by ", xda" they would have found the original answer.
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First, I have no problems with XDA. That wasn;t the intention. XDA provides a great service to people who want to customize their phone AND devs that want to put their work out there.
Second, if you feel like this thread is useless, why are you spending the time to respond?
Third, the statement I made wasn't a slam on anyone. I am well aware of people that are too lazy to search things out for themselves. The point I was making, is we need each other. If we refuse to tinker with our phones, the devs are essentially doing this for themselves and a few friends that want to join in. If they aren't creating ROMs, we don't have a way to customize our phones. However, we can get along without each other too. I know if the ROMs weren't there, I would still enjoy the use of my smartphone. If we weren't downloading, devs would still tinker with building ROMs. The whole issue is how we treat each other on ANY forum. If you are getting asked the same questions over and over, maybe a the first post should be updated with those Q&A's. I have seen very few OPs do that. In fact, a majority of the AOSP threads have nothing at all posted regarding issues or potential problems. They just expect everyone to know everything. Everybody learned from somebody else. Whether it was through Google search, this forum or YouTube videos. MOST of the people complaining about the same questions being asked have very little info on their thread.
Again, props to those devs that don't mind helping people out. And props to XDA for providing the forum. The rest should put up pay sites maybe, but their ROM downloads would quickly fall. I have enjoyed my experience thus far tinkering around with something new. But the few in the community that whine about people asking questions should settle down and realize how you act. That goes for the "customer" that can't ask nicely too. I'm not anti-dev. I get what they do is tough and time consuming.

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First, I have no problems with XDA. That wasn;t the intention. XDA provides a great service to people who want to customize their phone AND devs that want to put their work out there.
Second, if you feel like this thread is useless, why are you spending the time to respond?
Third, the statement I made wasn't a slam on anyone. I am well aware of people that are too lazy to search things out for themselves. The point I was making, is we need each other. If we refuse to tinker with our phones, the devs are essentially doing this for themselves and a few friends that want to join in. If they aren't creating ROMs, we don't have a way to customize our phones. However, we can get along without each other too. I know if the ROMs weren't there, I would still enjoy the use of my smartphone. If we weren't downloading, devs would still tinker with building ROMs. The whole issue is how we treat each other on ANY forum. If you are getting asked the same questions over and over, maybe a the first post should be updated with those Q&A's. I have seen very few OPs do that. In fact, a majority of the AOSP threads have nothing at all posted regarding issues or potential problems. They just expect everyone to know everything. Everybody learned from somebody else. Whether it was through Google search, this forum or YouTube videos. MOST of the people complaining about the same questions being asked have very little info on their thread.
Again, props to those devs that don't mind helping people out. And props to XDA for providing the forum. The rest should put up pay sites maybe, but their ROM downloads would quickly fall. I have enjoyed my experience thus far tinkering around with something new. But the few in the community that whine about people asking questions should settle down and realize how you act. That goes for the "customer" that can't ask nicely too. I'm not anti-dev. I get what they do is tough and time consuming.
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We spend time to respond to actually have you realize no one is gna be here all the time for you some things you have to be done by themselves, I'm 16 I wonder when you'll realize that. No one is gna be up your ass changing your clothes for you either learn the hard way or just not at all.
I have seen multiple threads of people complaining that their data is gone on cm10.1 and not one has bothered to even look at the op's post clearly showing the way to fix it. They just want the easy way out to ask and have someone redirect them there and I have but it gets tiring doing it over and over and over again.
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Despite me being new to XDA I am not new to the process of rooting android phones. I have been rooting other people's phones before I bought the Galaxy S 3. I don't ask questions in forums I research my own answers to my questions. I noticed the same things as the person who started this thread I just don't see the point in bringing it up as it will continue to happen.

Unlike all the badass geniuses in here I have asked questions since I got my first smartphone less than a month ago.
I think it's pretty stupid how people think they're so cool because they figured out how to root, there are so many details in rooting/flashing ROMs and kernels and these high end smart phones are very expensive especially now because of the **** economy, people just don't want to brick they're phones they invested so much in.
People aren't supposed to know all the bugs in a new ROM they flashed and you guys are giving this "issue" too much priority.
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End of custom roms.......

Sorry guys.... As another dev shuts up shop due to users/noobs that don't read opening posts or explain the bugs they having.
Custom roms will soon be a thing of the pass.
I for one knows how much time/effort goes into making a rom. It's no easy task. The amount of flashing/bricking to bring roms to us.
All the roms on xda are free but if this continues then devs may start charging for their roms (maybe not on xda but who knows) Wouldn't blame them really though.
All users need to understand if we don't have devs on Android. Then basically we will end up like iPhone users that are locked down. We should be grateful for all devs that brings us root without it then no custom roms would exist.
Do the Android community wanna end up like iPhone? I doubt it very much.
Respect the devs
Read the first post, search the thread! All answers are there. This excuse "I searched but couldn't find anything" is BS basically.
We will lose them all eventually.
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Post of the month!
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As much as I agree, this is flogging a dead horse
Until you can change the impatient 'fix it now, I refuse to read the first post post anyway, that bits not important' mentality of the average user, nothing will change

I agree. most users in this community are selfish. most likely they demand fix this please, when's the next update, port it please, comparing their work to another's hard work, flaming and so on.
they neither try to read back the thread or use the search function. or has no clue with the forum rules. it's a sad thing but yeah it's here. it's really a sad thing but there's nothing we can do unless they learn to respect the free work devs have put into their work. people should realize devs are doing it on their spare time on their own will to share to people for users to enjoy for free.

Agree
I was hoping to find a thread like this and I totally agree with you.
But maybe that is not the end cause I think that the devs will still love what they do just that they try not to address certain people.
As great as the idea of XDA is and as much as I'm happy that this awesome forum exists..I think that it should be talked/discussed about the forum rules!!!
Example:
How can it be possible that you become senior member with 100 posts?
This leads to flaming in some cases and is no way near related on how helpful you are
The process in being allowed to post
While some are annoyed that they can't discuss right after logging the first time....for others it is way to simple to join and flame.
Rules enforcement
We all know that some posts we make are not related to the devices...and I think that this shouldn't be seen as an issue in general...XDA to me is also a communication page as long as the dev doesn't have a problem with it... BUT being disrespectful to the work you receive for free and claiming bugs where there are reported to be none and most important refusing to read should be looked after more often.
At last I really don't want to criticize XDA or what it stands for cause I still love it... I just hope it stays what it was created for and won't loose the devs which are doing so many awesome things for us because some people just can't follow the rules and be thankful for what they get

Maybe some new rules when people sign up?like private reference or something?but then again that would drop Ads revenue of this site drasticly

Unfortunately it's fact that most of the users are never happy enough with the things they get FOR FREE. They don't see the hard work of the devs behind a custom ROM. They only see what they have on their phones, and if there's something they don't like, they complain and blame the dev. And the fact that many users don't read instructions or simple informations gives the devs more work. They have to watch their thread 24 hours a day and always be friendly and helpful. If that's not given, some users become rude. My favorite thread was closed this morning because of such stupidity. The dev pulls his heart and soul in his project and gets more negative than positive feedback. That's not fair.
 @4aces: you know what thread I'm talking about, i think you agree, it's a sad sad day for us.

Exactly @speedwayfan75 that why I had to voice my rant over that thread. And @DSA same for your thread too shut due to some users. Black box was great used on s3 then got discontinued on s4
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So you are announcing the end of the custom ROMs, because of some impatient noobs, who have always been around and probably always will be? Are you for real?

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So you are announcing the end of the custom ROMs, because of some impatient noobs, who have always been around and probably always will be? Are you for real?
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Did I day that :banghead:
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In my opinion it's also the fault of XDA in general.
Just take a look in the Q&A section. So many question that have been anwsered before, so many people that just won't read.
In my opinion every thread that doesn't have a decent opening post should be closed untill they put some effort in it. But the more users XDA gets, the more money they make. So the skill level will only keep lowering and then some other decent website opens and replaces XDA.
Users just get to much space to do anything they want. I'm not blaming the mods in any way, because I think they are doing a good job. People higher up the ladder should take action or XDA will go down true their own succes.

I agree that there are many noob who do not read the post before replying.
But every boby was a noob before no?
just give them a chance to become good Android users...
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You can't stop anyone from posting questions without searching first, or asking for OTAs. The only thing the devs can do is to ignore these people.

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You can't stop anyone from posting questions without searching first, or asking for OTAs. The only thing the devs can do is to ignore these people.
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Its not as simple as that
If I create a development thread and include all relevant info in the first post, which is then populated with nothing but questions that are answered in the first post it makes it incredibly hard to find any proper posts which could contribute to the rom or for me to help a genuine user having issues
I created a specific q&a thread for these types of posts and everyone ignored it and filled up my dev thread instead
XDA has a chronic problem with users atm, I can't explain it or understand it, but I'm seeing more and more devs close their threads because of the users populating it
Have a read of the gravitybox thread in the xposed section...its unbelievable..
ETA: just had a read of the echorom thread...check @friedrich420 last posts in there..I feel for him as I know exactly how he feels

Users should be understanding about this. I think XDA should double the number of moderators so that useless posts are deleted on regular basis. For developers; they should create a third post on their ROM topic, that has a big list of all FAQs in bold.

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You can't stop anyone from posting questions without searching first, or asking for OTAs. The only thing the devs can do is to ignore these people.
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I agree. I'm not sure if Devs will start charging, to be honest I'd probably pay, But anyways.... I work in Service Management for a Global IT company, and this behaviour is pretty standard when you are dealing with this many users..
I for one respond ONCE and the ignore users that make demands or unreasonable requests or are just plain offensive or rude.
What makes it worse though is the number of more experienced users that actually reply to these people in the thread. Honestly is some threads they have doubled the useless post count! Now, before I get flamed, I have done it myself because its just plain RUDE!!! But it doesn't take every 'good' user to flame back or stick up for the dev or say not to ask for ETAs! Just once will do and then ignore them!
If you ask any service professional or SixSigma bod, they will say 'focus on the good users and ignore the bad'.
Please please though reading multiple posts from good users responding to bad users is just as annoying as having to read the original bad post.
Peace Out People!

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Its not as simple as that
If I create a development thread and include all relevant info in the first post, which is then populated with nothing but questions that are answered in the first post it makes it incredibly hard to find any proper posts which could contribute to the rom or for me to help a genuine user having issues
I created a specific q&a thread for these types of posts and everyone ignored it and filled up my dev thread instead
XDA has a chronic problem with users atm, I can't explain it or understand it, but I'm seeing more and more devs close their threads because of the users populating it
Have a read of the gravitybox thread in the xposed section...its unbelievable..
ETA: just had a read of the echorom thread...check @friedrich420 last posts in there..I feel for him as I know exactly how he feels
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I thank you from the bottom of my heart!! I know if anyone can understand is you my man!! I create a basic custom rom at best (and kernels lately). You create the most awesome rom i have ever used!! Way way over my head!! And you get the same treatment?? Its really not worth it!! People (im not generalizing because there are some EXCEPTIONAL USERS who deserve recognition) dont get (or dont want to get) what it takes to create a masterpiece like yours for example...
Thank you and my wish is that we will see you back!!
But one thing is for sure, something has to change...
It seems that people value something only if they have to pay for it... Im not say this should happen here but something that protects us (the creators/ providers of roms. kernels, recoveries, mods, apps etc etc) for the **** we get should be put in place... Some kind of mechanism that protects spamming and protects flaming... Something with more success than the current measures we have in place now...
Also THANK YOU TO EVERYONE FOR YOUR SUPPORT and opening this thread is a good thing!!
It needs to stay up and we need to make it into a "brainstorming pool" of ways to make sure devs who do this for free (therefore they do it because they love sharing) are protected...

How to stop stupid questions?
Firstly if devs want to be paid then good for them. Whatever they get it wont be enough. This might leave some users feeling empowered though - they would feel they were owed answers as they had paid "where is my promised bug fix you lazy asshole!". And we don't want that. So how about a testers thread for each ROM were the dev controls who can post and a general thread for each ROM were you have to pay to post ($0.20). It would encourage only real questions after peole have searched.

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How to stop stupid questions?
Firstly if devs want to be paid then good for them. Whatever they get it wont be enough. This might leave some users feeling empowered though - they would feel they were owed answers as they had paid "where is my promised bug fix you lazy asshole!". And we don't want that. So how about a testers thread for each ROM were the dev controls who can post and a general thread for each ROM were you have to pay to post ($0.20). It would encourage only real questions after peole have searched.
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You are so so right about that!!
Thats why i would never want to sell anything here..
Can you imagine what they would do to me???
I mean i get abuse from offering free stuff for so many devices... can you imagine making money for it? People would think im their slave...

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stevendeb25 said:
Sorry guys.... As another dev shuts up shop due to users/noobs that don't read opening posts or explain the bugs they having.
Custom roms will soon be a thing of the pass.
I for one knows how much time/effort goes into making a rom. It's no easy task. The amount of flashing/bricking to bring roms to us.
All the roms on xda are free but if this continues then devs may start charging for their roms (maybe not on xda but who knows) Wouldn't blame them really though.
All users need to understand if we don't have devs on Android. Then basically we will end up like iPhone users that are locked down. We should be grateful for all devs that brings us root without it then no custom roms would exist.
Do the Android community wanna end up like iPhone? I doubt it very much.
Respect the devs
Read the first post, search the thread! All answers are there. This excuse "I searched but couldn't find anything" is BS basically.
We will lose them all eventually.
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friedrich420 said:
You are so so right about that!!
Thats why i would never want to sell anything here..
Can you imagine what they would do to me???
I mean i get abuse from offering free stuff for so many devices... can you imagine making money for it? People would think im their slave...
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Gasp! I donated $1!!!!! You mean I don't own you????