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first to the board ops, if I post this in the wrong area, and secondly to the crybabies for what I am about to say...
Kick back off asking for a cooked rom with the latest and greatest rom... it's nice looking and all but if you aren't gonna cook one yourself then give it a
rest.
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first to the board ops, if I post this in the wrong area, and secondly to the crybabies for what I am about to say...
Kick back off asking for a cooked rom with the latest and greatest rom... it's nice looking and all but if you aren't gonna cook one yourself then give it a
rest.
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Apologies ahead of time for my rant.
Where do you get off saying that people shouldn't have the right to request in the very least, the latest ROM. Understandably though, the greatest ROM will always be based on the user's opinion. And if everyone just followed your advice and cooked one themselves and gave it a rest, where would the current ROM cooks be in this world? You would essentially put us out of a job if you had your way. Heres the way I see it though, since I do understand where your point is coming from. Cooking takes a lot of time, a lot of patience, and a lot of understanding. Now given that not everyone on these threads has enough time on their hands, they need someone to create a ROM for them. Possibly to a level that they couldn't cook themselves at their present state. Just because they don't have all of the time necessary to cook their ROM doesn't mean that they should be punished by suffering with a stock ROM (especially the T-mo one, ). So that being said: I, as a cook, need to know what people want in order for me to make the best ROM that I can make. And to me, the best ROM will always be the one that makes people happy and content.
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hehe did i strike a nerve or something? last time i checked i've got a thing called free speech (refer to the 1st amendment of the US Constitution) i'm not saying that everyone should cook their own roms. I am saying that ppl should stop buggin the cooks for the latest rom. I don't have the patience or time to cook my own and I am not going to bug the cooks for a rom... geez
oh yea and i was meaning the latest build of wm 6.5, been seeing allot of requests on the boards for "when is a rom with that build gonna be released" I am addressing those ppl
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hehe did i strike a nerve or something? last time i checked i've got a thing called free speech (refer to the 1st amendment of the US Constitution) i'm not saying that everyone should cook their own roms. I am saying that ppl should stop buggin the cooks for the latest rom. I don't have the patience or time to cook my own and I am not going to bug the cooks for a rom... geez
oh yea and i was meaning the latest build of wm 6.5, been seeing allot of requests on the boards for "when is a rom with that build gonna be released" I am addressing those ppl
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You do have a right to free speech, however, I haven't been bugged by any such questions. Weird. Thus far I only saw one thread asking that. And i posted a reply. I will be creating FingerMe Prototype Series which will be a base ROM of some of the latest builds. 23031 should be up tonight, 23034 I am still working on.
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hehe did i strike a nerve or something? last time i checked i've got a thing called free speech (refer to the 1st amendment of the US Constitution) i'm not saying that everyone should cook their own roms. I am saying that ppl should stop buggin the cooks for the latest rom. I don't have the patience or time to cook my own and I am not going to bug the cooks for a rom... geez
oh yea and i was meaning the latest build of wm 6.5, been seeing allot of requests on the boards for "when is a rom with that build gonna be released" I am addressing those ppl
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I agree that people usually treat the cooks as if they're working FOR them. No one gets paid to do stuff on XDA. People are always like....Tell me how to fix that, or, do this for me, or give me a link for this...
People need to realize that we DON'T work here. We just help. We're glad to help, but, we really appreaciate it if you do your own searching and find things yourself. Then, after some decent searching, if you don't find anything, please ask us.
But don't feel threatened, Dr. Gonz, say what you want. Yet, people will still expect XDA members to do everything for them, lol. You can't break that habbit.
I've gotta say, though, the Herald forums are pretty decent. Most people here try to do things for themselves, instead of just asking, and I like that.
I was always one that would just read XDA, I never used to post. Then, after a long time of reading, I gained experience, and started posting. That has worked well for me. It's always best to read first.
But everyone, just remember that no one works here. We're here to help, but we're not obliged to help anyone. If you ask nicely enough, we'll try to help you out. But try to read for things, too.
I agree with the cooks. The only reason why I replied to that thread like I did was cause I didn't like the way he was asking...like he thought that it was his right or something to get the newest build. Theres a big difference in "hey, any chance we can get build XXXXX anytime soon?", and "when is build XXXXX coming out, cause I want it like right now.". Anyways enough soapbox from me, thats just my opinion.
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hehe did i strike a nerve or something? last time i checked i've got a thing called free speech (refer to the 1st amendment of the US Constitution) i'm not saying that everyone should cook their own roms. I am saying that ppl should stop buggin the cooks for the latest rom. I don't have the patience or time to cook my own and I am not going to bug the cooks for a rom... geez
oh yea and i was meaning the latest build of wm 6.5, been seeing allot of requests on the boards for "when is a rom with that build gonna be released" I am addressing those ppl
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You certainly are free to speak your mind.
As does anyone responding to you.
Apparently you get huffy puffy if someone dares to disagree with your omniscience.
If I may be frank, I read about two sentences of your post before concluding that your opinion doesn't matter.
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You certainly are free to speak your mind.
As does anyone responding to you.
Apparently you get huffy puffy if someone dares to disagree with your omniscience.
If I may be frank, I read about two sentences of your post before concluding that your opinion doesn't matter.
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I think it was apreincher that got "huffy puffy".
First of all I just want to say that I always respect the rom cooks just like I respect a real cook in a restaurant. If I may quote the movie Waiting, "Don't f**k with people that serve your food."
There will always be dumbass noobs that are here for the instant gratification, that will only change if XDA becomes invite only, which isn't a bad idea. While I agree that nobody "works" here, on the other side of the same coin, nobody is forced to stay here and serve either. If you are fed up with the demands of users, don't complain about it, just don't log on. If you don't like what's on tv, do you complain to the cable company? No, you change the channel. But honestly, it is a community here. You don't have to like your neighbors, but you could at least tolerate them. To clarify, I'm by no means on a high horse here. I've had my moments of weakness, where I lost my patience. I think ace has been the one to say chill out a couple times lol. But seriously, there needs to be some humility around here, especially from people like the OP.
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First of all I just want to say that I always respect the rom cooks just like I respect a real cook in a restaurant. If I may quote the movie Waiting, "Don't f**k with people that serve your food."
There will always be dumbass noobs that are here for the instant gratification, that will only change if XDA becomes invite only, which isn't a bad idea. While I agree that nobody "works" here, on the other side of the same coin, nobody is forced to stay here and serve either. If you are fed up with the demands of users, don't complain about it, just don't log on. If you don't like what's on tv, do you complain to the cable company? No, you change the channel. But honestly, it is a community here. You don't have to like your neighbors, but you could at least tolerate them.
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I have to agree with you. I like people requesting things, because some things are really great ideas that I may have never thought of including on my own. I'm not all knowing, I don't know everything everyone wants. So to help serve you better, I need input. So new people reading this thread, please don't be scared to request something of me. I wont always say yes, but it's better than not trying at all.
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I have to agree with you. I like people requesting things, because some things are really great ideas that I may have never thought of including on my own. I'm not all knowing, I don't know everything everyone wants. So to help serve you better, I need input. So new people reading this thread, please don't be scared to request something of me. I wont always say yes, but it's better than not trying at all.
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Some things I see people doing, though (this is on the TP2 forums), is that people say..."Why are my keyboard symbols not working???".
Ok, that's a valid question...but then, when you visit The Wingster for that ROM, you notice, oh hey, there's some bolded red text, maybe that's important?
People overlooking the obvious things like that can REALLY get chefs unhappy. I usually just link them to an obvious page like that, but other chefs will get upset.
Now, requests for features in ROM's, those are a little different. You can ask for requests, just don't make them like...I want (5,000 apps)...or I want (this certain app that maybe 1/20 people use)....But, there are some cool requests that maybe the chef didn't know about, or just forgot. So, try to be reasonable with requests.
And back to the obvious things that people overlook, just try to read a bit, that's all. If you didn't see anything quickly on the first page, then yes, you can go ahead and post, asking your question. Hopefully, the chef, or someone else on the forums will answer you. They will probably also remind you to read better if it was on the first page or something.
Basically, to prevent yourself from getting flammed, you gotta read the first page of the ROM a bit, and then, if your question still isn't answered, read a few of the last posts, and then post your question.
And keep requests reasonable. Try to request things that everyone could benefit from. If it's something that the chef doesn't wanna do, they will probably just ignore it, so don't go posting it again, unless you think it's a brilliant idea, lol.
Remember the golden rule...treat others the way you would like to be treated.
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Some things I see people doing, though (this is on the TP2 forums), is that people say..."Why are my keyboard symbols not working???".
Ok, that's a valid question...but then, when you visit The Wingster for that ROM, you notice, oh hey, there's some bolded red text, maybe that's important?
People overlooking the obvious things like that can REALLY get chefs unhappy. I usually just link them to an obvious page like that, but other chefs will get upset.
Now, requests for features in ROM's, those are a little different. You can ask for requests, just don't make them like...I want (5,000 apps)...or I want (this certain app that maybe 1/20 people use)....But, there are some cool requests that maybe the chef didn't know about, or just forgot. So, try to be reasonable with requests.
And back to the obvious things that people overlook, just try to read a bit, that's all. If you didn't see anything quickly on the first page, then yes, you can go ahead and post, asking your question. Hopefully, the chef, or someone else on the forums will answer you. They will probably also remind you to read better if it was on the first page or something.
Basically, to prevent yourself from getting flammed, you gotta read the first page of the ROM a bit, and then, if your question still isn't answered, read a few of the last posts, and then post your question.
And keep requests reasonable. Try to request things that everyone could benefit from. If it's something that the chef doesn't wanna do, they will probably just ignore it, so don't go posting it again, unless you think it's a brilliant idea, lol.
Remember the golden rule...treat others the way you would like to be treated.
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That's exactly my point. The original poster to this thread was saying that people shouldn't ask when a new build for the herald will be released. Unfortunately, you can't find the answer to that anywhere on the forum. So they have to ask in order to get an answer.
So long story short, when you're making requests from a cook, choose your words carefully and be sure and tell them how much you appreciate thier work, even donate if you can. Otherwise, THIS can happen. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=448839
This is just a general message to those using roms made by developers here on xda.
Stop F-ING complaining. You are paying absolutely nothing for some really cool stuff for your phone. These guys put in hours and hours of work and share it for FREE!!
Enjoy their work... Thank them... Buy them a few beers... And if you don't like what they're doing go somewhere else!!!
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This is just a general message to those using roms made by developers here on xda.
Stop F-ING complaining. You are paying absolutely nothing for some really cool stuff for your phone. These guys put in hours and hours of work and share it for FREE!!
Enjoy their work... Thank them... Buy them a few beers... And if you don't like what they're doing go somewhere else!!!
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I hope they all get this message man
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I agree. These guys put their phones on the lines to bring us these roms. At the least say thanks
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no valid point everyone
yea its ok to post bugs and problems etc thats important because it helps the creators fix problems, but don't complain that everyone sucks and the devs suck, because guess what, these people have jobs, life's, and do this stuff for fun and in no way are these roms going to be 100 percent perfect every time, not even stock TB that came from HTC was perfect.
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This is just a general message to those using roms made by developers here on xda.
Stop F-ING complaining. You are paying absolutely nothing for some really cool stuff for your phone. These guys put in hours and hours of work and share it for FREE!!
Enjoy their work... Thank them... Buy them a few beers... And if you don't like what they're doing go somewhere else!!!
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Couldn't agree with you more! If you have issues with a ROM that make it "suck" switch ROMs or learn how to develop and make your own ROM.
The worst is all the people *****ing in the CM7 thread.
what's with all these stupid threads lately...it's like the days of our lives around here
i miss the days when threads were only technical in nature...
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what's with all these stupid threads lately...it's like the days of our lives around here
i miss the days when threads were only technical in nature...
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Then don't read the GENERAL forum. If you want threads of a technical nature stick to the DEVELOPMENT forum, it's not a hard concept...It's a bit ironic that you are calling other peoples threads "stupid"..
Well said.
I would like to lodge a complaint about people complaining.
I'm grateful for the work the dev,s do as i don't know crap about any of this.
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I would like to lodge a complaint about people complaining.
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*golf clap*
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Then don't read the GENERAL forum. If you want threads of a technical nature stick to the DEVELOPMENT forum, it's not a hard concept...It's a bit ironic that you are calling other peoples threads "stupid"..
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Actually there are plenty of ways to have technical questions that have zero reason to be in the Dev subforum. Yet conversely there are always plenty of posts in General that are people having some issue and who are on a custom ROM.
New to android... here I thought only the blackberry people *****ed!
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..It's a bit ironic that you are calling other peoples threads "stupid"..
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Man, you're not complaining that I called this thread stupid, are you? Now THAT'S irony...
I agree. How can you complain about something that's free, and is also take it or leave it. I give kudos to the developers for all the time they put into the builds, and then maintaining them.
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New to android... here I thought only the blackberry people *****ed!
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Now, that's funny!
I noticed a lot of this behavior as of late. Imo, I think the devs should make the rooting process harder. Keep the children at bay so to speak.
I see it time and again, people asking questions that have clearly been answered in the OP or within the last few pages of a thread. They take no time to research anything. Most complain that the search utility is crap so why even try. I've never had problems with the search utility. It may not be the most robust tool but it works if you take the time to use it.
The demanding and complaining within threads has reached levels I haven't seen before on XDA. People need to remember that the devs write this stuff in their spare time. They are not obligated to do anything for you. You can make a request but that doesn't mean they will even consider it. There was a day when devs specifically put in the OP "This is my rom, you can make requests but I make this for me, take it as it is. Im just sharing witht he rest of you." But people have come to a point where they expect the devs to listen and do what they suggest.
In rooting your phone, you are voiding your warranty and taking extreme risks with your $500 Thunderbolt. In taking these risks it is assumed that you are a responsible person. Complaining about things or asking questions about things that have been clearly posted is not acting in a manner of a responsible person. Read fully before even starting the rooting process.
Just my opinion of course. But level of maturity on XDA has dipped to a level that is utterly absurd at times.
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I noticed a lot of this behavior as of late. Imo, I think the devs should make the rooting process harder. Keep the children at bay so to speak.
I see it time and again, people asking questions that have clearly been answered in the OP or within the last few pages of a thread. They take no time to research anything. Most complain that the search utility is crap so why even try. I've never had problems with the search utility. It may not be the most robust tool but it works if you take the time to use it.
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I agree about not having an easy way to root, and to some extent I agree about researching. I don't agree that this site has a functional search tool, when I search for something it brings up tons of unrelated stuff and if I add a little more to the search criteria to narrow the results it then says there's nothing matching my search, this is with both searching for threads and searching post within a thread. I was searching for something the other day and the post results didn't include any of the words I put into the search box. I do think people should look for an answer first but when there's 200 pages to go though it can take forever to find a simple answer, I think a faq post after the original post would work wonders for devs, then a lot of unnecessary post would be avoided but of course there will still be some people that are to lazy to skin through faq's.
It seems to me that there is a lot of frustration amongst devs, those in the know, and the unschooled to the ways regarding pretty basic information. Stuff like "is MR2 froyo or gingerbread?". I know I'd be asking and saying some industrial strength stupid and annoying things if I didn't have a good friend in the know. I suppose what I'm suggesting here is perhaps several things. The first would be describing a number of specifications regarding the ROM or kernel at hand. Not just for the latest ROM or kernel, but for all the downloads available on the OP. Usually the change log covers that, but what I'm suggesting here is a certain I uniformity of certain information. That way some noob can go do his homework real fast and not post some stupid question.
The second thought I have is creating the "stupid question thread" (that would grow like a weed, huh?). It would have basic stuff like what the RUU's are, their characteristics, what radios they work with, what the different radios are, setting up ADB, and really basic stuff that I keep seeing posted again and again all over. I was reading through the Tbolt forums months before I got my Tbolt and my last phone was an Incredible so the worlds didn't change a hell of a lot for your average flashing junky. But that isn't everybody's experience. I'm suggesting a thread or the guy that just got his Tbolt and is saying "Now I wanna root it!" then "It's rooted! Now what's out there!" And zap! there's te thread that gives him a rundown of all the basics.
This sound like a good idea to anyone? If so, let me know and I'll work something up.
I am a noob, TB being my first Android phone. When I started reading the forums, my very first thought was: how come I can't find a noob thread that I can actually understand, that explains the basics, etc. It did not exist! Hence al the annoying (to some) posts elsewhere. If such a thread existed it would have been a huge help for me. It could be organized similar to ROM threads, with some introductory remarks, (a radio is XYZ, you flash it this way, etc.) followed by specific questions / comments. I like the idea!
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This is a good idea.. if no one makes one soon ill take it up
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There is no substitute for taking the time to read the various threads and educating yourself. I think the devs do a pretty good job of supporting their work but to ask them to put together super noob threads and FAQs is just not something they're gonna do with any regularity.
The reason why no one has done it is because all of the noobs are to lazy or ignorant to read those threads, then continue to post their stupid and already-answered question anyway, flooding the threads as usual.
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I think it sounds like a good idea but as stated above people probably won't read it or take it's advice. Typically all the ROM/Kernel threads state EVERYTHING needed to know in the OP. Yet people will still ALWAYS ask something that is answered in the OP. Most people look at screenshots and then jump straight to the download link. This is my 3rd Android phone and when I got the TBolt I read and read prior to rooting. I had one issue that I hadn't seen posted so I asked. Then I ended up figuring it out on my own anyways. If people would just read info prior to downloading and jumping into it they would be fine. Creating a new thread with basics is great but how effective will it truely be?
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I think it sounds like a good idea but as stated above people probably won't read it or take it's advice. Typically all the ROM/Kernel threads state EVERYTHING needed to know in the OP. Yet people will still ALWAYS ask something that is answered in the OP. Most people look at screenshots and then jump straight to the download link. This is my 3rd Android phone and when I got the TBolt I read and read prior to rooting. I had one issue that I hadn't seen posted so I asked. Then I ended up figuring it out on my own anyways. If people would just read info prior to downloading and jumping into it they would be fine. Creating a new thread with basics is great but how effective will it truely be?
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I agree with you 99%. However, there are several cases especially with BAMF threads where there are hundreds of pages and thousands of posts. The OP many times doesn't have solutions to common problems and the only way to find an answer is to spend hours reading through hundreds of pages. (I admit that BAMF is doing much better with their 3.0 RC2 thread). I know you are going to say to search but when a thread is that large it is hard to find meaningful search results.
Google is a noobs best friend. What is an RUU? Google it! What is deodexed? Google it! Etc. Etc. Etc...... The Devs develop. It's our job to educate ourselves. They do this for free. Between the forums and Google, most if not all questions can be answered. The ones that can't be answered is when the forums should be used. Just my opinion.
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Google is a noobs best friend. What is an RUU? Google it! What is deodexed? Google it! Etc. Etc. Etc...... The Devs develop. It's our job to educate ourselves. They do this for free. Between the forums and Google, most if not all questions can be answered. The ones that can't be answered is when the forums should be used. Just my opinion.
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Agree. But, the question "can the X patch from the previous version be used on this version?" People get flamed for asking questions like that and many times there is nothing on the OP.
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Agree. But, the question "can the X patch from the previous version be used on this version?" People get flamed for asking questions like that and many times there is nothing on the OP.
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Because most often.. the dev himself does not know the answer.. and honestly.. the best way to know if something works or not is try it yourself. .. so I can understand when devs get frustrated with people asking certain permutation and combination of patches will work with their roms or not.
Once you understand (which comes with experience and lot of googling).. what affects certain aspects of a rom.. then you'll know yourself if a particular patch will work or not.
Patches from previous roms or other roms.. will never brick your phone.. the worst.. your phone won't boot up.. or it'll boot up and FC like crazy.. in which case you can always restore.
and I agree.. the best way for a noob to educate is google..
googling is an art.. once you get good at it.. there is almost nothing that you can't get information about.
And with some of the responses I just read in this thread is exactly why I haven't rooted my T-bolt yet. I rooted my D1 and really enjoyed flashing different ROMs and Themes but the HTC experience is a bit different from the one on the Motorola. I don't feel like getting flamed for asking something that those of you that have been using HTC long enough now find to be a useless question. I ran Blackdroids ROMs because he had an IRC channel where you could ask questions without being flamed openly in a forum for 100+ to see. I learned quite a bit to where I could eventually help others with it but I'm not at all comfortable yet with Hboot and ADB but hope to learn enough from reading to not bother you with questions you find trivial. I've read for a week now so what's another week
It appears there is a need for what I propose. Regarding those who's complaint is that nobody will read it, I say, at least someone put forth the effort and if someone like, linking to the thread is easy. Indeed looking stuff up for yourself is wise, however, it takes more time for people and all too often you don't know how accurate what your reading is or from what authority the writer speaks. I will agree most devs supply ample info on their work, but often its in jargon that makes no sense or lacks context. Part of the purpose for this thread would be to supply sense and context.
Hopefully over the next few days I can find time to whip something up. I welcome all suggestions and comments for content!
Hello Community,
This is mostly for my informational purposes, but id really appreciate it if everyone would cast their vote as to which rom they are on currently. This can also serve in the short term as an informational compass to point new users twards a rom to try out. All votes in the polls are appreciated!
Thanks,
HaiKaiDo
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Dude, give it up. Whether you like it or not, the forum management do NOT like these kinds of posts that put the work of developers into a popularity contest. And leaving out Andromeda, one of the most popular ROMs in here, just makes the poll look silly.
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Dude, give it up. Whether you like it or not, the forum management do NOT like these kinds of posts that put the work of developers into a popularity contest. And leaving out Andromeda, one of the most popular ROMs in here, just makes the poll look silly.
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I was asked by the forums mod to repost this and that he was going to lock it and sticky it so that posts like this would no longer happen and people would be able to vote without flaming. Also Apex and Andromeda will be added.
Dude you look silly
I do not see anything wrong with a thread like this. Maybe it can prevent some additional threads about what rom is best for me.
And by the way, screw you for not including asop roms, my vote is miui. (just kidding on the screw you, kinda)
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HaiKaiDo said:
Hello Community,
This is mostly for my informational purposes, but id really appreciate it if everyone would cast their vote as to which rom they are on currently. This can also serve in the short term as an informational compass to point new users twards a rom to try out. All votes in the polls are appreciated!
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That verbiage right there makes this little more than a popularity contest. New users should be reading up on any ROM they want to try, not making decisions based on the number of people using a particular ROM. The power users are switching ROMs pretty regularly, some on a daily basis, so how should they vote in this poll? The only way anyone interested in modding their phone with a custom ROM will get the info they need is to READ THE FORUM and invest the time to know what they're doing. They will only run into problems if they simply look at a thread like this, pick the one with the most votes and go at it. That's the natural tendency of humans and it goes against the grain of what users in here should be doing. There are no shortcuts.
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That verbiage right there makes this little more than a popularity contest. New users should be reading up on any ROM they want to try, not making decisions based on the number of people using a particular ROM. The power users are switching ROMs pretty regularly, some on a daily basis, so how should they vote in this poll? The only way anyone interested in modding their phone with a custom ROM will get the info they need is to READ THE FORUM and invest the time to know what they're doing. They will only run into problems if they simply look at a thread like this, pick the one with the most votes and go at it. That's the natural tendency of humans and it goes against the grain of what users in here should be doing. There are no shortcuts.
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+1 Some people never learn.
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Well since I have the support of a moderator and all the other people that havnt decided to take everything ive said in this thread and twist it and blow it WAY out of proportion, im gonna have to go with...If you dont like it, dont post here :]
Nanny, nanny, boo boo to you, too.
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Nanny, nanny, boo boo to you, too.
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come on man seriously , no need to stay here and set fire to my thread AGAIN. For whatever reason the mod that said he was going to lock this and sticky it has disapeared for the moment, but i suppose when he gets back all these posts will be deleted and the OP can be used to exactly what it was intended. Just a collection of data, not a popularity contest, not a noob guide to tell them what rom to install. Its just a small collection of data to see what the community is upto.
I didn't post a thing in your last thread, so don't blame me for that one being closed. The reality is that your poll is flawed simply because you limited it to only 2.3.x ROMs. That will not give a clear picture of what ROMs are being used since it omits some very fine 2.2 ROMs like Andromeda and the many users still on stock Froyo and Eclair. That renders it pretty useless as far as a statistical analysis and dangerous as it might convince some to jump to a Gingerbread ROM before they know what the consequences might be. Don't we have enough people in here with bricks and flashing problems? Why contribute to it?
just move on and don't vote
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At work, will respond to this properly when I can.
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Okay lets clear this up....
I DID tell the OP to repost this thread.
Heres why.....
I agree with the rest of you that "best" rom threads are pointless and often offensive. I do not allow "best" rom threads in any of the sections I moderate.
However, this thread was not supposed to be about whats "best".
The intention was to set the poll, stick the thread and close it to prevent the usual barrage of venom and verbal diarrhea that goes with the aforementioned "best" rom threads.
I for one am curious as to how the userbase of a particular device is split between the various roms on offer and I think its a shame that there is no way to utilise the poll option to asess this.
I spoke to the OP about this and it was clear to me that he did not want to encourage discussion about whats "best", just collect the numbers out of curiousity so I agreed to give this a go....
As it stands, its not possible to close a thread and leave the poll open so it looks like we'll never know.
Sorry guys.... As another dev shuts up shop due to users/noobs that don't read opening posts or explain the bugs they having.
Custom roms will soon be a thing of the pass.
I for one knows how much time/effort goes into making a rom. It's no easy task. The amount of flashing/bricking to bring roms to us.
All the roms on xda are free but if this continues then devs may start charging for their roms (maybe not on xda but who knows) Wouldn't blame them really though.
All users need to understand if we don't have devs on Android. Then basically we will end up like iPhone users that are locked down. We should be grateful for all devs that brings us root without it then no custom roms would exist.
Do the Android community wanna end up like iPhone? I doubt it very much.
Respect the devs
Read the first post, search the thread! All answers are there. This excuse "I searched but couldn't find anything" is BS basically.
We will lose them all eventually.
Rant over.
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Post of the month!
ETA:
As much as I agree, this is flogging a dead horse
Until you can change the impatient 'fix it now, I refuse to read the first post post anyway, that bits not important' mentality of the average user, nothing will change
I agree. most users in this community are selfish. most likely they demand fix this please, when's the next update, port it please, comparing their work to another's hard work, flaming and so on.
they neither try to read back the thread or use the search function. or has no clue with the forum rules. it's a sad thing but yeah it's here. it's really a sad thing but there's nothing we can do unless they learn to respect the free work devs have put into their work. people should realize devs are doing it on their spare time on their own will to share to people for users to enjoy for free.
Agree
I was hoping to find a thread like this and I totally agree with you.
But maybe that is not the end cause I think that the devs will still love what they do just that they try not to address certain people.
As great as the idea of XDA is and as much as I'm happy that this awesome forum exists..I think that it should be talked/discussed about the forum rules!!!
Example:
How can it be possible that you become senior member with 100 posts?
This leads to flaming in some cases and is no way near related on how helpful you are
The process in being allowed to post
While some are annoyed that they can't discuss right after logging the first time....for others it is way to simple to join and flame.
Rules enforcement
We all know that some posts we make are not related to the devices...and I think that this shouldn't be seen as an issue in general...XDA to me is also a communication page as long as the dev doesn't have a problem with it... BUT being disrespectful to the work you receive for free and claiming bugs where there are reported to be none and most important refusing to read should be looked after more often.
At last I really don't want to criticize XDA or what it stands for cause I still love it... I just hope it stays what it was created for and won't loose the devs which are doing so many awesome things for us because some people just can't follow the rules and be thankful for what they get
Maybe some new rules when people sign up?like private reference or something?but then again that would drop Ads revenue of this site drasticly
Unfortunately it's fact that most of the users are never happy enough with the things they get FOR FREE. They don't see the hard work of the devs behind a custom ROM. They only see what they have on their phones, and if there's something they don't like, they complain and blame the dev. And the fact that many users don't read instructions or simple informations gives the devs more work. They have to watch their thread 24 hours a day and always be friendly and helpful. If that's not given, some users become rude. My favorite thread was closed this morning because of such stupidity. The dev pulls his heart and soul in his project and gets more negative than positive feedback. That's not fair.
@4aces: you know what thread I'm talking about, i think you agree, it's a sad sad day for us.
Exactly @speedwayfan75 that why I had to voice my rant over that thread. And @DSA same for your thread too shut due to some users. Black box was great used on s3 then got discontinued on s4
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So you are announcing the end of the custom ROMs, because of some impatient noobs, who have always been around and probably always will be? Are you for real?
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So you are announcing the end of the custom ROMs, because of some impatient noobs, who have always been around and probably always will be? Are you for real?
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Did I day that :banghead:
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In my opinion it's also the fault of XDA in general.
Just take a look in the Q&A section. So many question that have been anwsered before, so many people that just won't read.
In my opinion every thread that doesn't have a decent opening post should be closed untill they put some effort in it. But the more users XDA gets, the more money they make. So the skill level will only keep lowering and then some other decent website opens and replaces XDA.
Users just get to much space to do anything they want. I'm not blaming the mods in any way, because I think they are doing a good job. People higher up the ladder should take action or XDA will go down true their own succes.
I agree that there are many noob who do not read the post before replying.
But every boby was a noob before no?
just give them a chance to become good Android users...
PS: sorry for my english, i'am french !
You can't stop anyone from posting questions without searching first, or asking for OTAs. The only thing the devs can do is to ignore these people.
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You can't stop anyone from posting questions without searching first, or asking for OTAs. The only thing the devs can do is to ignore these people.
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Its not as simple as that
If I create a development thread and include all relevant info in the first post, which is then populated with nothing but questions that are answered in the first post it makes it incredibly hard to find any proper posts which could contribute to the rom or for me to help a genuine user having issues
I created a specific q&a thread for these types of posts and everyone ignored it and filled up my dev thread instead
XDA has a chronic problem with users atm, I can't explain it or understand it, but I'm seeing more and more devs close their threads because of the users populating it
Have a read of the gravitybox thread in the xposed section...its unbelievable..
ETA: just had a read of the echorom thread...check @friedrich420 last posts in there..I feel for him as I know exactly how he feels
Users should be understanding about this. I think XDA should double the number of moderators so that useless posts are deleted on regular basis. For developers; they should create a third post on their ROM topic, that has a big list of all FAQs in bold.
worktorest said:
You can't stop anyone from posting questions without searching first, or asking for OTAs. The only thing the devs can do is to ignore these people.
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I agree. I'm not sure if Devs will start charging, to be honest I'd probably pay, But anyways.... I work in Service Management for a Global IT company, and this behaviour is pretty standard when you are dealing with this many users..
I for one respond ONCE and the ignore users that make demands or unreasonable requests or are just plain offensive or rude.
What makes it worse though is the number of more experienced users that actually reply to these people in the thread. Honestly is some threads they have doubled the useless post count! Now, before I get flamed, I have done it myself because its just plain RUDE!!! But it doesn't take every 'good' user to flame back or stick up for the dev or say not to ask for ETAs! Just once will do and then ignore them!
If you ask any service professional or SixSigma bod, they will say 'focus on the good users and ignore the bad'.
Please please though reading multiple posts from good users responding to bad users is just as annoying as having to read the original bad post.
Peace Out People!
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Its not as simple as that
If I create a development thread and include all relevant info in the first post, which is then populated with nothing but questions that are answered in the first post it makes it incredibly hard to find any proper posts which could contribute to the rom or for me to help a genuine user having issues
I created a specific q&a thread for these types of posts and everyone ignored it and filled up my dev thread instead
XDA has a chronic problem with users atm, I can't explain it or understand it, but I'm seeing more and more devs close their threads because of the users populating it
Have a read of the gravitybox thread in the xposed section...its unbelievable..
ETA: just had a read of the echorom thread...check @friedrich420 last posts in there..I feel for him as I know exactly how he feels
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I thank you from the bottom of my heart!! I know if anyone can understand is you my man!! I create a basic custom rom at best (and kernels lately). You create the most awesome rom i have ever used!! Way way over my head!! And you get the same treatment?? Its really not worth it!! People (im not generalizing because there are some EXCEPTIONAL USERS who deserve recognition) dont get (or dont want to get) what it takes to create a masterpiece like yours for example...
Thank you and my wish is that we will see you back!!
But one thing is for sure, something has to change...
It seems that people value something only if they have to pay for it... Im not say this should happen here but something that protects us (the creators/ providers of roms. kernels, recoveries, mods, apps etc etc) for the **** we get should be put in place... Some kind of mechanism that protects spamming and protects flaming... Something with more success than the current measures we have in place now...
Also THANK YOU TO EVERYONE FOR YOUR SUPPORT and opening this thread is a good thing!!
It needs to stay up and we need to make it into a "brainstorming pool" of ways to make sure devs who do this for free (therefore they do it because they love sharing) are protected...
How to stop stupid questions?
Firstly if devs want to be paid then good for them. Whatever they get it wont be enough. This might leave some users feeling empowered though - they would feel they were owed answers as they had paid "where is my promised bug fix you lazy asshole!". And we don't want that. So how about a testers thread for each ROM were the dev controls who can post and a general thread for each ROM were you have to pay to post ($0.20). It would encourage only real questions after peole have searched.
finbaar said:
How to stop stupid questions?
Firstly if devs want to be paid then good for them. Whatever they get it wont be enough. This might leave some users feeling empowered though - they would feel they were owed answers as they had paid "where is my promised bug fix you lazy asshole!". And we don't want that. So how about a testers thread for each ROM were the dev controls who can post and a general thread for each ROM were you have to pay to post ($0.20). It would encourage only real questions after peole have searched.
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You are so so right about that!!
Thats why i would never want to sell anything here..
Can you imagine what they would do to me???
I mean i get abuse from offering free stuff for so many devices... can you imagine making money for it? People would think im their slave...
goodgood hahahahhahah
stevendeb25 said:
Sorry guys.... As another dev shuts up shop due to users/noobs that don't read opening posts or explain the bugs they having.
Custom roms will soon be a thing of the pass.
I for one knows how much time/effort goes into making a rom. It's no easy task. The amount of flashing/bricking to bring roms to us.
All the roms on xda are free but if this continues then devs may start charging for their roms (maybe not on xda but who knows) Wouldn't blame them really though.
All users need to understand if we don't have devs on Android. Then basically we will end up like iPhone users that are locked down. We should be grateful for all devs that brings us root without it then no custom roms would exist.
Do the Android community wanna end up like iPhone? I doubt it very much.
Respect the devs
Read the first post, search the thread! All answers are there. This excuse "I searched but couldn't find anything" is BS basically.
We will lose them all eventually.
Rant over.
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goodgood verygood
friedrich420 said:
You are so so right about that!!
Thats why i would never want to sell anything here..
Can you imagine what they would do to me???
I mean i get abuse from offering free stuff for so many devices... can you imagine making money for it? People would think im their slave...
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Gasp! I donated $1!!!!! You mean I don't own you????