why are some developers on xda so content on gettting donations :S yes if ur a recognized dev and you have given soooooooo much already yes i would donate. but alll these people saying donate donate donate when they havnt even got a rom yet are bassicly begging in a sense.
then there's the people that promise the best rom in the world but ask u to donate so they can the rom going i think thats wrong.
ONLY ASK FOR DONATIONS IF U HAVE A ONGOING PROJEXT ( WITH A ROM ) DONT LIMIT YOUR WORK TO JUST A FEW BETA TESTERS MAKE IT OPEN SO LOADS OF PEOPLE CAN TEST AN GIVE U FEEDBACK. IN MY MIND THESE PEOPLE USE THE DONATION SCHEME AS A LOOP HOLE TO SCAM PEOPLE OUT OF CASH
whats your views on this let me know. i will soon be moving my sony ericcson port to the madaco forum as only so many good people on xda the rest just want to ripp people off . makes me angry as xda used to be the best forum in the world. but now people use it as to scam money and thats a CRIME
in my opinion, i think ONLY recognized developers should have the donation tool as other people are abusing it and scamming cash out of good honist people
To be fair, nobody is scamming anyone. They're not forcing you to donate and if people choose to do so then i don't see anything wrong with it. I've never seen any instances where people are asking for donations when they haven't even contributed. But like i said, donations aren't forced upon you.
It's not even like you can accidentally hit donate!
Also, what about other devs such as Lowveld who aren't recognised developers?
Agree with Dan.
Plus, with all the hard work and efforts that our Devs put in, There's no harm in asking for a donation (IMHO) ! Remember, all Devs have a life outside of XDA...
And a donation need not be for monetary objectives only (of course, there's money involved).. But, I feel it is a sense of appreciation for all their hard work and a token of respect!
I know U are also a Dev... Keep up the good work!
Peace
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Agree with Dan.
Plus, with all the hard work and efforts that our Devs put in, There's no harm in asking for a donation (IMHO) ! Remember, all Devs have a life outside of XDA...
And a donation need not be for monetary objectives only (of course, there's money involved).. But, I feel it is a sense of appreciation for all their hard work and a token of respect!
I know U are also a Dev... Keep up the good work!
Peace
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Im not a recognized dev I NEVER ask for donations as its a privalige to be on here helping people out. Im saying it like this. If it NOT a recognized dev. Then u shouldnt ask for donations
Untill u are a recognized dev. I see being on these type of forums as a pleasure not a job. I am not new to CDs as many of u might think. I've been a active member since 2 years. I left the.forum and didn't think I would end up back but here I am.I deleted my old account but I wish I never. Some1 has made some apps and promised all a Rom but says if he don't get any donations he won't do the Rom. To me it seems like he don't have any intentions to make a Rom he just wants the donations makes me very angry to see this
Paul, where are you from?English is not my native language, i don't write very well, i do a lot of typo's and probably i am not very coherent all the time, but
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Regarding your problem for donations from my point of view they are great for the developers.
I allready saw Baadnwz a great developer(ex Desire, Sensation now on the One X) uses the money for buying new phones, or nk111 uses the money to pay his server and the list can go on.
Do you still think this is a scam?
Sorry for the developers that i didn't mention. And in my opinion lowveld should be a recognized developer.
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Next time think twice about directing comments like that at fellow users please. This is not a place to say "you suck" or " your ___ sucks" or anything like that. This is XDA and a friendly community.
Glad I stumbled across this comment while roaming the forum here, as its not needed
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Im not a recognized dev I NEVER ask for donations as its a privalige to be on here helping people out. Im saying it like this. If it NOT a recognized dev. Then u shouldnt ask for donations
Untill u are a recognized dev. I see being on these type of forums as a pleasure not a job. I am not new to CDs as many of u might think. I've been a active member since 2 years. I left the.forum and didn't think I would end up back but here I am.I deleted my old account but I wish I never. Some1 has made some apps and promised all a Rom but says if he don't get any donations he won't do the Rom. To me it seems like he don't have any intentions to make a Rom he just wants the donations makes me very angry to see this
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Well, personally I think your point of view, although addressing some points I actually agree on (namely: work should never be dependent on donations), it's a bit over the top.
I don't scam people, and I am very clear on the purpose of asking for donations: buy a new device without having to sell the desire S on the process. Plus, even if you don't agree with the purpose for which I ask donations, I don't (and I think noone else) force you to donate anything.
And for this attitude, you don't need to be a Recognized Developer. You just need to be a decent human being. And fortunately we have lots of them on the DS forums.
Peace
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Paul, where are you from?English is not my native language, i don't write very well, i do a lot of typo's and probably i am not very coherent all the time, but
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Regarding your problem for donations from my point of view they are great for the developers.
I allready saw Baadnwz a great developer(ex Desire, Sensation now on the One X) uses the money for buying new phones, or nk111 uses the money to pay his server and the list can go on.
Do you still think this is a scam?
Sorry for the developers that i didn't mention. And in my opinion lowveld should be a recognized developer.
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Paul, I've not been a member on here for very long, although I spent quite a while just reading and hovering. I have also been a member on various other forums of all types for years. I have avoided commenting on this, or your other, rants before, but feel the need to now.
There is absolutely no need for the above comment and it is bordering on offensive. Your posts are very difficult to read - you mix lower-case and upper-case sentences all over the place, miss out punctuation so that multiple sentences become one huge string of words and your spelling is abysmal (I'm not entirely sure if some of it is you deliberately trying to be clever or ‘down with the kids’).
Draghiciandrei started his post by asking where you were from and commenting that his English is not the best. If English is not your first language then you have an excuse for some of it, but you should therefore give him the same leeway that he gave you. If English IS your first language however then you should be putting the effort in to make your posts easier to understand for the multitude of people here who do not speak English well.
I'm not trying to start a war of words here or anything, just putting my two-pence worth into this thread.
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Paul, I've not been a member on here for very long, although I spent quite a while just reading and hovering. I have also been a member on various other forums of all types for years. I have avoided commenting on this, or your other, rants before, but feel the need to now.
There is absolutely no need for the above comment and it is bordering on offensive. Your posts are very difficult to read - you mix lower-case and upper-case sentences all over the place, miss out punctuation so that multiple sentences become one huge string of words and your spelling is abysmal (I'm not entirely sure if some of it is you deliberately trying to be clever or ‘down with the kids’).
Draghiciandrei started his post by asking where you were from and commenting that his English is not the best. If English is not your first language then you have an excuse for some of it, but you should therefore give him the same leeway that he gave you. If English IS your first language however then you should be putting the effort in to make your posts easier to understand for the multitude of people here who do not speak English well.
I'm not trying to start a war of words here or anything, just putting my two-pence worth into this thread.
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get a grip mate if i meant it in any offensive way i would have been more aggressive. :S i put a face next to it u got to be kidding me mate :S seriously u have got to be joking :/ obviously you dont know what the meaning of the word offensive is. it would have been offensive if i had said it like this *** put your ****ing glasses on *** however i did NOT say it like that. i said it like this *** put your glasses on *** in a joking way. im a computor programmer not a bully :/ if u have anything else to say feel free to PM me and we will sort this out as men should ( with kind words )
Actually 'mate' I do know the meaning of the word "offensive". Perhaps you don't and should look here The Free Dictionary
That comment is offensive because it has the capability to offend some people - you trying to claim it is not is eactly the same principle as people who claim they aren't racist despite using racist words because they "don't mean it". As for your comment about
it would have been offensive if i had said it like this *** put your ****ing glasses on ***
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that would have just been downright rude and ignorant.
And, please try to read your own post. Yet again it is very difficult to follow - no capital letters, bad spelling, no punctuation, and constantly using "", ":S" etc instead of the smilies which are a lot clearer and easier to pick out in the writing.
I'm not going to do this on PM as there is no need. I am not the only person who you seem to want to pick a fight with and I respect several of those people that you have argued with enough to understand that I am not the one with the problem.
After speaking to Paul I would ask, respectfully, that nobody else jump onto my comments towards him. I will leave them here as they have been said, but there is no need for this to go any further at all.
I know that sometimes it's best to say nothing, but it's so difficult not to respond to somethings
Although I feel the childish yet perfect response would be WHATEVER!
Step away from your mobile....
Swyped form ym Dersie S unsig XAD Permuim
According to conantroutman, senior mod, I am the same "level" as a recognized developer.
According to XDA Rule # 8, users are allowed to ask to donations in their signatures, "However donations up front are not allowed, this forum is about sharing, not about getting paid to do something, that's what your job is for."
Perhaps a better way to have handled this would have been to have clicked on the posters name, and then to have chosen "Add xxxx to Your Ignore List".
Okay I'm here no fear guys.
Now in response to all that has happened here I first want to say thank you to the two individuals that took the spat to PM and stopped it in the public forum. Again PM is where you should take ANY and EVERY disagreement you might have with someone.
Do NOT let me see you starting a pissing contest in the public forum directly attacking users using foul curse words! This is not the place for that and never will be on my watch!
Now as for the topic/thread....I'm okay with it long as you guys continue to keep it civil in here going forward. This topic while can get out of hand easily, is one that is okay to discuss imho.
My personal opinion on the subject though.....
It is more than okay for people to have donation links in their sig's that are not dev's. You dont have to be a Dev to warrant a donation. Many of the themer's and other people that contribute to the community are NOT developers but they provide value to the overall community and if someone wants to donate to them so be it...They might not get much use out of the button, but it is their right to have one if they want...
Now asking or demanding for donations up front will not be tolerated here in any way. There can be a fine line on this with RD's and others using the donation system for their beta's and such before a wide release but thats NOT what I'm talking about here at all. I'm talking about the flat out demanding of a donation before providing a service or doing anything else...If you see that then report the post and I or someone else will handle it.
Any further ?'s see the rules in my signature or PM me.
Again, keep this civil or it will be closed...
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Okay I'm here no fear guys.
Now asking or demanding for donations up front will not be tolerated here in any way. There can be a fine line on this with RD's and others using the donation system for their beta's and such before a wide release but thats NOT what I'm talking about here at all. I'm talking about the flat out demanding of a donation before providing a service or doing anything else...If you see that then report the post and I or someone else will handle it.
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exactly what i meant. I never meant for this to get so out of hand. I should have put more detail and more of a explanation about it. I have posted a thread, Aimed at the people i offended. I am sorry this got so out of control, I will be leaving XDA untill i have my operation and i have Fully recoverd. (Which will be about 6months). When i do recover i will be starting to port roms and apps like i used to ( Thats right i have not just joined xda i used to be here before, I was on the good old sony x8 forum I used to port app's i even made flash player work for sony x8 arm 6 devices i even ported sense to x8, so i am a contributor to xda members, I closed my account back then but i recently joined back up. I would like to say a very nice thanks to Simon.TS.HTC For being so understanding and being just a hell of a nice guy.
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Okay I'm here no fear guys.
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Slightly off-topic, I'm really happy with you, Mr Sgt Slaughter
You are a great civilized mod, and I'm glad you are keeping things in order here, and regularly checking by. I'm happy that you are the new DS mod!
Thanks alot man!
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+1 to that. Maybe the perfect embodiment of the "iron fist in a velvet glove"?
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Slightly off-topic, I'm really happy with you, Mr Sgt Slaughter
You are a great civilized mod, and I'm glad you are keeping things in order here, and regularly checking by. I'm happy that you are the new DS mod!
Thanks alot man!
Sent from my HTC Desire S using xda premium
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To be honest you guys deserve just as much credit b/c i can't venture in here hardly at all to check so i depend on the reported posts...keep up the reporting and things will get handled swiftly i promise.
The thread has been locked on OP's request.
Peace!
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I have wanted to adress a issue that has increased noticeably since I joined XDA-Dev, im not sure if anyone agree with me at all on this
But more and more of the developers here demands "donations" for their work, and that really sadden me. Because more and more ppl will feel that "hey, this guy and that guy actually makes money on their work, why cant I?" and in the end, this forums users will have to "donate" to everyone, and it will slowly suffocate from greed...
I know many use hours after hours, doing really amazing work creating,fixing modding and w/e. And I fully accept that ppl have a donation button in their signature, and that ppl can donate money as mutch as they want.
But when developers write that if you donate, I will continue my work, or if you donate I will provide you with support, or you can download my work if you pay for it, then xda has decreased to a point where I cant support it.
I joined here because I needed help, and I got it, for free. And I decided I want to contribute too, so I started learning, for free, what I now know. And I try my best to help out.
I have had many ppl telling me that they want to donate money for the work I have done making roms, etc (in herald section)
But I dont want any.
And I will make this promise: Im never gonna have a sig with donations, and I will never accept any form of donations for the work I do here. But I will respect that others have a "donation sig", but I will not accept and use stuff developed here that has a "you must donate me"
What make/made this forum great, is that so many have shared for free, amazing work.
Im not sure what the creators of this forums feel about this, or the current admins/moderators feels about this. But if you guys somewhat agree with me, please do something about it.
Im just a user, with my thoughts and views on things, and I dont know if anyone see it the same way as I do, or if this is actually a issue that should be adressed at all.
But maybe its just me and my thoughts that are wrong
cheers
itje said:
I have wanted to adress a issue that has increased noticeably since I joined XDA-Dev, im not sure if anyone agree with me at all on this
But more and more of the developers here demands "donations" for their work, and that really sadden me. Because more and more ppl will feel that "hey, this guy and that guy actually makes money on their work, why cant I?" and in the end, this forums users will have to "donate" to everyone, and it will slowly suffocate from greed...
I know many use hours after hours, doing really amazing work creating,fixing modding and w/e. And I fully accept that ppl have a donation button in their signature, and that ppl can donate money as mutch as they want.
But when developers write that if you donate, I will continue my work, or if you donate I will provide you with support, or you can download my work if you pay for it, then xda has decreased to a point where I cant support it.
I joined here because I needed help, and I got it, for free. And I decided I want to contribute too, so I started learning, for free, what I now know. And I try my best to help out.
I have had many ppl telling me that they want to donate money for the work I have done making roms, etc (in herald section)
But I dont want any.
And I will make this promise: Im never gonna have a sig with donations, and I will never accept any form of donations for the work I do here. But I will respect that others have a "donation sig", but I will not accept and use stuff developed here that has a "you must donate me"
What make/made this forum great, is that so many have shared for free, amazing work.
Im not sure what the creators of this forums feel about this, or the current admins/moderators feels about this. But if you guys somewhat agree with me, please do something about it.
Im just a user, with my thoughts and views on things, and I dont know if anyone see it the same way as I do, or if this is actually a issue that should be adressed at all.
But maybe its just me and my thoughts that are wrong
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where does anyone demand donations? devs ask yes, this is true in any dev community, if they say you MUST donate then that is wrong and against forum policy, so show me some examples
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where does anyone demand donations? devs ask yes, this is true in any dev community, if they say you MUST donate then that is wrong and against forum policy, so show me some examples
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Allright. I was hoping that I didnt have to, because I dont wanna make anyone a "example" and I dont want to start a flamewar or a fight on who does it or not.
I think I need to say that the "demand" is often not written as a demand, but its usually adressed with please support me, and I will....insert "service provided" here
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=336234
Im NOT saying the poster of that thread is "guilty" of anything, and im sure that explanations could be provided and so on, but im adressing something that is increasing, atleast from my point of view. And Im gonna be the first to back down on what I "shed a little light on" if im mistaken in my interpetations.
But I do read alot around on the forum, and I just feel that more and more ppl wants donations for the work they do.
I will quote some general sigs, without saying who have them,and its not copied from anyones sig, but its a general "quote" of many diffrent sigs.
"if you like my work, and want more, donate"
"If you like what I do, buy me a beer"
"support my hard work by donating"
"Accepting any amount in donations"
"Incourage me to continue my work, buy me a beer"
list can go on with diffrent versons.
Im not against a donation system, but I really dont like it when you must donate to download anything, in my interpetation, that is as you say, against xda policy.
Is not developing for free, and so that we all can get more out of our devices encourage enough? If we want to make money on our work, why not start a company and start doing buisness on our own websites, and not use xda-dev to promote work we want to make money on?
sorry if I offend anyone, thats not my intention at all, and as I said, the post i linked to might be a bad example too. And I respect the hard work they do, and actually understand that they wants donations and all. Im really impressed by the work both the owner of the thread I use as example, and others. And that they deserve payment for what they do or not, is not the issue im forwarding here, so please have that in mind when commenting what I try to adress here.
i know this is not the place for this, i dont even know why am i doing this, but i felt the need to say it: as imperfect as it is, with all our noobs, experienced users, rom cooking just for the fun of it, donations (hell, smb was willing to donate even a whole kaiser!!), advices for free, fun all around, helpful persons willing to help just because we share a common passion...
... all these mean so much to me and in my eyes they are a lot more beautiful than the world we see everyday.
dont know exactly why i had to say this, but please go on and keep it as such. also, thanks to all of you for putting your little brick at the foundation of a beautiful building!
as smb was saying in another post, love is in the air... maybe its the spring...
Although it's a bit twee, I have to agree.
The concept of developers & users sharing ideas and code and actually HELPING each other in return for donations to the level you can afford is a fantastic concept - and one that Microsoft would do well to learn from (amongst others).
The end result is everyone is MUCH happier and the product is much better. The only problem is I suspect nobody on here could make a living from it...
I'm feeling all teary eyed now. But you guys & gals are right. Group hug.
Let's all sing together now.
Koom By Ya...... why am I the only one singing?
Sorry....
I was too busy reaching for the kleenex box
hehe... bunch of nerds... really!!... get all hot and flustered at the idea of a new rom or some cab file... it's so sweet...
isn't there a restaurant in London with no prices on the menu but where patrons pay what they believe the meal is worth? Remember hearing about it years ago. Wonder if they still in business.
Yeah there are some talented cooks/programmers on this site. It's a wonderful site for owners of pda's looking for a little doctoring of their phones and I wish xda-developers.com all the best in the future...
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...you fell down and cracked your head ?
Just kidding mate
I cracked my screen last night.... was thinking of having a service for my phone.... bagpipes and everything... let me know if you guys will be coming.
What the hell's the matter with you blundering boobs & sniveling sissies?
This belongs in the Development Forum why?
And you Tater, kumbaya????
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What the hell's the matter with you blundering boobs & sniveling sissies?
This belongs in the Development Forum why?
And you Tater, kumbaya????
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...you just hurt my feelings...
I agree
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love is in the air... maybe its the spring...
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I am totaly Agree, specialy If you post something, if it is already posted, there is alot of love around...Yeah its the spring
i must say its very touching what u wrote and very true. even though i am new to xda being here has truly been a wonderful experience.
The amount of knowledge is truly monumental.
now on singing kombaya i need some body to give me a beat ...
its not even about money or anything, its about people. just hearing that laurentius spent one whole day (9am - 12pm) to tweak a new rom for us, for you, for anybody, made me think that passion is everything, or anyway a lot more than what people are forced to do for a living.
ive been reading this forum for over 2 years now and remember a lot of things, funny posts, things that, together with the great pieces of software developed, made my day now and then. thank ya all for this!
as you say, this is a silly thread and should under no circumstances stay especially here under the rom development section. kyphur, related to a discussion from laurentius new diamond rom thread, feel free to delete all these.
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i must say its very touching what u wrote and very true. even though i am new to xda being here has truly been a wonderful experience.
The amount of knowledge is truly monumental.
now on singing kombaya i need some body to give me a beat ...
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as most of you probably, i am user on different forums as well. although some amount of flaming is present here as well, it is under no circumstances comparable to things happening on other sites and im grateful to all of you for this.
maybe we should have the national hymn of xdadev, for example Kombaya, somewhere to be downloaded or at least to be visible.
Me too!
Just wanted to add my agreement and appreciation for all that is offered from xda and the people that make it all work. A heart felt "Thank you very much!"
Delete this thread? NEVER...
I'll just move it to someplace more appropriate (but I did leave a perm redirect so it's always hooked to Kaiser Rom Dev)...
True, true... To be honest the only reason I keep buying HTC devices is xda-developers community Although HTC with their support and behavior is trying really hard to persuade me from these decisions on buying new HTC hardware )
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True, true... To be honest the only reason I keep buying HTC devices is xda-developers community Although HTC with their support and behavior is trying really hard to persuade me from these decisions on buying new HTC hardware )
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Agreed, if I were head of marketing for HTC I would pay Dutty (amongst others) to continue cooking roms for our devices.
OMG, sensitive nerds! *turns around and sneaks away*
Just to also add few thoughts on this forum.
This year I bought my first ever PDA, and had to go to considerable trouble to have it delivered here. In a country where the concept of customer support is not yet in existence, and with thousand noob questions, this forum has provided all the help that I needed. So, this forum means a lot to people like me who have no access to official customer support services or other facilities available elsewhere.
My only regret is that as yet, I am unable to more actively contribute to the great community here.
Thanks XDA developers and keep it up.
Since original thread was closed (just as I said it would even without a good reason) as I was typing answer below
I feel obliged to answer it here
Well, looks like it is. Any criticism of xda is not tolerated here, and this thread will lead to criticism.
If you still care for my opinion...
No, sharing is not xda spirit anymore, well at least not for some people. Popularity and donations is, by the looks of it.
I do not say that this applies to everyone, only to certain people, and it looks like xda supports it in general.
And members cannot express their view if their view goes against what xda likes to hear.
SOPA anyone?
Just saying
If you decide to post something in this thread, please consider that there should be no flaming, profanities etc, so xda does not have good grounds to close it.
matmar said:
Members can express their view and i do not think it is pointless or against xda rules...it is ? If yes i apologize by advance....
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....sigh....
Well, for me it's another sad sad day for XDA.
I'm "really" thinking HTC should step in, collect THEIR assets once and for all.
This is never going to stop this way. This was (yes was) a sharing community, and honestly is doesn't feel like a community anymore.
For me, and I regret to say this, the only real solution for this is when HTC relocks their bootloaders so custom roms become a thing from history.
There's just too much showing off, whining this, whining that and all other crap going on.
And really what is the point??
We are all in the same boat, wanting the exact same thing!
I just cannot understand this.
We buy HTC especially for this line of "work".
People should think twice or even five times before letting their d... deside.
Anyway, my 2 cents (IC's )
Lol, you should have known it would happen.
Peeps, let's keep it social here.
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sigh is right! We're all sighing!
tinky1 said:
Since original thread was closed (just as I said it would even without a good reason) as I was typing answer below
I feel obliged to answer it here
Well, looks like it is. Any criticism of xda is not tolerated here, and this thread will lead to criticism.
If you still care for my opinion...
No, sharing is not xda spirit anymore, well at least not for some people. Popularity and donations is, by the looks of it.
I do not say that this applies to everyone, only to certain people, and it looks like xda supports it in general.
And members cannot express their view if their view goes against what xda likes to hear.
SOPA anyone?
Just saying
If you decide to post something in this thread, please consider that there should be no flaming, profanities etc, so xda does not have good grounds to close it.
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and this is why I love you tinky. I wnted to voice my own opinion but didn't. You did it for me! for us!
Tinky for president? Which country though
Lol, just lol.
KAwAtA said:
sigh is right! We're all sighing!
and this is why I love you tinky. I wnted to voice my own opinion but didn't. You did it for me! for us!
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Trollville recently outvoted me... perhaps you could replace me
Just sayin'
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Tinky for president? Which country though
Lol, just lol.
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tinky1 said:
Since original thread was closed (just as I said it would even without a good reason) as I was typing answer below
I feel obliged to answer it here
Well, looks like it is. Any criticism of xda is not tolerated here, and this thread will lead to criticism.
If you still care for my opinion...
No, sharing is not xda spirit anymore, well at least not for some people. Popularity and donations is, by the looks of it.
I do not say that this applies to everyone, only to certain people, and it looks like xda supports it in general.
And members cannot express their view if their view goes against what xda likes to hear.
SOPA anyone?
Just saying
If you decide to post something in this thread, please consider that there should be no flaming, profanities etc, so xda does not have good grounds to close it.
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The sharing mentality of XDA has not gone away. But it's certainly been reduced in light of WinZip wizards and cocky chefs who think they're God's gift to a device. The heart of this latest flare up is the simple fact that 3 devs refuse to work together or cooperate in any way. We (the moderators) deal with hundreds of reported posts everyday, and quite frankly I pitty the members who allow such infantile sh*t to occur.
Regarding sharing: Just because someone has a source that allows them early access to a file, which has happened since all the way back in WM's days here, they are under zero obligation to share it with anyone else. Most times this can risk exposing the source, which could potentially shut everyone down.
The key difference between then (WM) and now (Android) is that everyone seems to be more concerned with beating everyone else to the release, thereby claiming all the glory and potential donations. Sharing is very much still alive here, but it seems otherwise due to device popularity causing competition as opposed to cooperation. Back when smartphones were reserved for the geeks and otherwise tech savvy people, the community was much smaller, and knew each other on what was sometimes a personal level. We all worked together for a common goal. Don't believe me, have a look around the older sections of XDA, and try to count on more than 1 hand how many chefs/devs ever mention the word donations. Now do the same in the Android areas, and try to find 5 chefs/devs/winzip wizards who don't ask for them.
Ok here's how it is.......
Some of you may not like this but it needs to be said.......
Sharing is and always has been encouraged here on XDA. That said,if someone has a valid reason not to publicly share something, nobody has the right to hold that against them....
The situation we have here is not caused by one single person and is certainly not caused by XDA as a whole, it is not even directly related to the sharing aspect.
What we have here is a situation blown completely out of proportion due to a combination of over inflated egos and petty personal disputes.
First guy said:
"whaaa whaa whaa I want what he's got.........."
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"Dude, you should totally troll his thread, oh yeah and the mods are nazis... trololololol"
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There are many many users and developers across the board who need to take a step back from their screen for a second, stuff a hand down the front of their pants to check if there's a set of balls in there....
If there is then they should take that as sign that its time to pull their head out of their arse and stop acting like eight year old girls fighting over a hairbrush...........
This is a development forum. Not a playground. This problem is not specific to the Sensation forums either, it permeates throughout the entire site so do not be surprised when the moderation team take action against a user who has violated the rules of the forum.
That is what we are here to do.
Due to the large number of whiny trolls currently infesting the forums, threads such as this only create drama and bring back the problems we are trying to eliminate. (Whether that was the OP's intention or not)
Nobody on the moderation team has a problem with criticism.
I have many issues with this site. If someone were to tell me I cannot raise them then I would tell them to go **** themselves. However, there is a right way of going about this and a wrong way.
Any user is always welcome to contact a moderator about any concerns they might have. Should you have a problem with a particular moderator then contact a member of the moderator committee or an admin. (a list is in my sig btw)
Contrary to popular belief, the mod team is not some elitist "old boys club" and we do not play favourites. Each and every moderator is expected to adhere to a code of conduct and can expect to be promptly dismissed should they not do so.
That however does not mean that we will not make unpopular decision should the need arise.
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Come On!
I am just plain dissapointed.. I think that the dev should share what they find, after all did they create the base no.... where do they get it? sharing!!! I am leaning away from xda community as of late for reasons revolving around this exact problem!! And now favorite dev for sensation is not here!!
Very, very true. Unfortunately xda seems to prefer to just close thread, give infractions, and try to shut everyone up instead of trying to encourage cooperation. Shall we try to change something here together, as a community?
P. S. Nice to see mods participating in conversation. Maybe(hopefully) it's a beginning of a better relationship?
NotATreoFan said:
The sharing mentality of XDA has not gone away. But it's certainly been reduced in light of WinZip wizards and cocky chefs who think they're God's gift to a device. The heart of this latest flare up is the simple fact that 3 devs refuse to work together or cooperate in any way. We (the moderators) deal with hundreds of reported posts everyday, and quite frankly I pitty the members who allow such infantile sh*t to occur.
Regarding sharing: Just because someone has a source that allows them early access to a file, which has happened since all the way back in WM's days here, they are under zero obligation to share it with anyone else. Most times this can risk exposing the source, which could potentially shut everyone down.
The key difference between then (WM) and now (Android) is that everyone seems to be more concerned with beating everyone else to the release, thereby claiming all the glory and potential donations. Sharing is very much still alive here, but it seems otherwise due to device popularity causing competition as opposed to cooperation. Back when smartphones were reserved for the geeks and otherwise tech savvy people, the community was much smaller, and knew each other on what was sometimes a personal level. We all worked together for a common goal. Don't believe me, have a look around the older sections of XDA, and try to count on more than 1 hand how many chefs/devs ever mention the word donations. Now do the same in the Android areas, and try to find 5 chefs/devs/winzip wizards who don't ask for them.
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I agree with both MTM AND NATF, and since I am one of the oldest members still active here, I can also confirm what NATF just said. We need cooperation between Devs and not pride wars.
Unfortunately this is not the case...
Winzip wizzard here (actually i use total commander but thats another story) - no irony here, if anyone has enough time to search my history on xda he will see i always said i'm cooking i'm not developing.
back to the discussion.
"they are under zero obligation to share it with anyone else. Most times this can risk exposing the source, which could potentially shut everyone down."
yes is true XDA can't make people share their source - 100% agree
risk of exposure ? i doubt is the case ,these test build are leaked with HTC's OK, we do the final beta testing for free . Let's not get into conspiracy theories here.
Is not just 3 devs who have a problem, again if anyone has the time to search xda will see one of the chefs had arguments with a lot more than 2 chefs .
Donations. I personally don't ask for them, i accept them .
As for me, i never wanted to be the 1st, and in the rare moments i had a thing 1st i shared it, i never cared about my thread rating and didn't cry when i got 1 star instead of five and so on. don't believe me ? again use the search .
about sharing, good or bad, 1st or the latest, i always said everyone is free to use what they want and do whatever they want with my zip-mods
IMHO I think XDA uses the term recognized developer far too loosely.
mudhi is a developer, LEEDROiD a developer. Mike1986 has no code knowledge (there was a very heated discussion via PM between him and me about that, I won and he left me.alone eventually) and all "his" mods made by other people. he is not the only one, don't think I say this just to have a go at mike, there are also other but at least baadnewz does do own mods, search back to 2.08 base and his own mod based on the beats audio mod (can't remember the original developer)
these people like mike think a bit of hocus pocus in dsixda kitchen make them developers, IT DOES NOT (IMO)
I say this and many of you will be thinking I am a hypocrite. Ha, I know flash ActionScript, JavaScript, HTML, CSS, tiny bit of PHP, and some java as well as currently learning smali, I came originally from DFG StarMods (where I now have the honour of being one of the admins) which is a flash theme development site for Samsung phones (like tocco lite, star, Monte and the jet)
And another thing, if people make a ROM based on a new leak/release but choose not to share the RUU, then they really have no grounds to complain about kangs because they brought it on themselves by refusing to share. If they share, kangs won't happen so I think it is unfair for baad to have received infraction because it is only human nature for users to want the best, the newest etc
p.s all apk files libs etc from any of our ROMs belong to HTC not the chefs
there are a bit more than beats stuff.
ported amaze camera and album to work on every 2.3.3-2.3.5 sense 3/3.5 rom
when was the 1st leak of android 2.3.4 from Chinese source i was the one who made location / friendstream / stock etc. to work with it and so on
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there are a bit more than beats stuff.
ported amaze camera and album to work on every 2.3.3-2.3.5 sense 3/3.5 rom
when was the 1st leak of android 2.3.4 from Chinese source i was the one who made location / friendstream / stock etc. to work with it and so on
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I know, I just use beats as example because at the time it was well known
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NotATreoFan said:
The key difference between then (WM) and now (Android) is that everyone seems to be more concerned with beating everyone else to the release, thereby claiming all the glory and potential donations. Sharing is very much still alive here, but it seems otherwise due to device popularity causing competition as opposed to cooperation. Back when smartphones were reserved for the geeks and otherwise tech savvy people, the community was much smaller, and knew each other on what was sometimes a personal level. We all worked together for a common goal. Don't believe me, have a look around the older sections of XDA, and try to count on more than 1 hand how many chefs/devs ever mention the word donations. Now do the same in the Android areas, and try to find 5 chefs/devs/winzip wizards who don't ask for them.
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True, but this isn't platform dependent at all. WinMo ROM development suffered from this too.
Donations make people greedy, some guys just made their rom cooking tenure a part-time job. Nowadays Smartphones became over-popular causing this to be a great money source.
In my personal opinion xda-devs should somehow promote/encourage developers that do not accept donations, make freeware, and release their source code for free.
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True, but this isn't platform dependent at all. WinMo ROM development suffered from this too.
Donations make people greedy, some guys just made their rom cooking tenure a part-time job. Nowadays Smartphones became over-popular causing this to be a great money source.
In my personal opinion xda-devs should somehow promote/encourage developers that do not accept donations, make freeware, and release their source code for free.
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QFT!
Money is the root of most of the problems with XDA these days...
And I can't see that changing unfortunately.
So,are we getting anywhere guys?
Is there a way to encourage sharing somehow?
It just beyond my comprehension that an apple can be given for someone to give a bite to anyone who'd like it, but no one else can take that apple to give a bite. End result is the same in think.
It's not about Mike not sharing when he is told not to share (if that is true, I don't know and not judging him). It's the concept of having something to share but only allowing one person to share it which gets me confused. Why!?
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QFT!
Money is the root of most of the problems with XDA these days...
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Thank GOD somebody started discussing this! I tried to started, but the thread was closed the second I started it. I will hold my tongue, but you can read between the lines:
Baad
We miss you!
FYI.
Think what you want about the guy, he kept ROMs moving when there was only two guys working on our device. I for one will miss his work. He pushed development away from shades of stock and in interesting directions. He is moving to a Samsung Galaxy S Epic II.
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Coug76 said:
FYI.
Think what you want about the guy, he kept ROMs moving when there was only two guys working on our device. I for one will miss his work. He pushed development away from shades of stock and in interesting directions. He is moving to a Samsung Galaxy S Epic II.
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He might have been the King of Kang, but he did some good stuff with the phone. Dem ROMs.
That's a bummer, I know a lot of people enjoyed his work. I however will not miss his attitude, I stopped using any of his work months ago because of the way he talked to people. I much prefer to support Blue, because he is very helpful, and approachable, and is always respectful. I am bummed for the people who enjoyed Undead's work though.
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That's a bummer, I know a lot of people enjoyed his work. I however will not miss his attitude, I stopped using any of his work months ago because of the way he talked to people. I much prefer to support Blue, because he is very helpful, and approachable, and is always respectful. I am bummed for the people who enjoyed Undead's work though.
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Being a developer is stressful. I for one would have his same attitude if I was a developer. He did have a bad attitude at times but he supported his work to the fullest. No other dev for DS can say that.
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Who cares about his attitude?
I've never encountered him acting out on anyone, granted I've only been in this community for the past few weeks or so, but does that matter?
He was great at making roms, and graciously released his work to all of us. He even kept up a great update schedule. Devs are not here to be your friend or guidance counselor. And they also have no obligation of being nice to anyone. Releasing their work to everyone is nice in itself.
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Who cares about his attitude?
I've never encountered him acting out on anyone, granted I've only been in this community for the past few weeks or so, but does that matter?
He was great at making roms, and graciously released his work to all of us. He even kept up a great update schedule. Devs are not here to be your friend or guidance counselor. And they also have no obligation of being nice to anyone. Releasing their work to everyone is nice in itself.
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It is my right to think he had a bad attitude and boycott his work. I also didn't like him cutting out common features from a rom just to make it faster, when this device is already fast enough for anything I need it to do, so I choose to use something else. I think no matter what anyone does, they can be respectful when talking to people. That doesn't mean being a friend or guidance counselor, it just means being respectful. Also there were other issues that caused him to get banned from xda, so I am not the only one who has an issue with the guy (just sayin').
Anytime a dev leaves a community, it's generally a bad thing.
I totally respect the fact that he put a lot of time and energy into building these ROMs, however, I never really felt like he *owned* any. Most developers tend to build a ROM that they use, and improve it. Undead built like a bazillion ROMS, and I never felt like he really personally used/supported any of his creations.
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It is my right to think he had a bad attitude and boycott his work. I also didn't like him cutting out common features from a rom just to make it faster, when this device is already fast enough for anything I need it to do, so I choose to use something else. I think no matter what anyone does, they can be respectful when talking to people. That doesn't mean being a friend or guidance counselor, it just means being respectful. Also there were other issues that caused him to get banned from xda, so I am not the only one who has an issue with the guy (just sayin').
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Of course it is your right. I never said it wasn't. And as I said before, I've never seen him act out.
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Anytime a dev leaves a community, it's generally a bad thing.
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+1
Every time.
I think the biggest impact would be to out counterparts in the rootzwiki. Without him, I think that forum is gonna go quite... quiet.
Meanwhile, I don't think it's a good idea for members in this community to be flaming at each other--we're supposed to support each other, aren't we?
It sucks that he left (here and mt4gs in general) - whether we regard him as king kang, or DS's savior, but we'll have to move on. I'm probably gonna write him a PM over at rootz saying thanks for his contribution for MT4GS later today.
You know, I couldn't help but chime in here; I'm a freelance developer, and don't get to develop a lot for anything but work. So this brings me to a short manifesto (sorry I'm a marxist and I like to use the word when I can), even though it's just a list of observations I want to share:
1) No 'community' is better without someone [I hesitated to say anyone ]
1a) I feel this attitude is such a contradiction to the intent of
open-source. In other words, open-source, just not open-attitude.
1b) I'm not trying to be insulting, but I find it funny you
comment on the red-herring of someone's age, when I would think
someone closer to my age (I'm gathering you too are a gainfully employed
adult; we'll just say closer to 40 than 30 =) )...so I try to liken it to
working with people you don't necessarily like; caveat here is no ones
making a lot of/any money, so try to be a little more appreciative and
a little less judgmental (think off all these peeps work as a favor). Which
brings me to...
1c) "...he got into deving for this phone for the wrong reasons. This was
inevitable. I'm surprised he stuck THIS long." We need to get together
and start a business if u can read minds, and what the "wrong reasons"
for learning rom development might be...well I'll be thinking
on that one for a while
2) Is this even verified? I'm about to PM him and ask....he's been nothing
but polite and cordgial from what I've seen.
3) "That is the kind of quip Undead would regularly let go. And why???
Completely unnecessary." Ever occur to you that the community(YOU)
should complain about the post and get it removed? If it's that
bad it will be?
3a) Personally, I'd rather devs work on what they do best, bringing
us great ROM's!
3b) Maybe the community needs to police itself a little, your post
seemed to be pointless, IMHO; I mean, apparently you don't like
this guy, but I bet you use his $hit.
EDIT: Confirmed, he's finishing up some of his current stuff and moving on to another device...even mentioned the XDA rift as one of the reasons...guess you can make software open-source, but peoples' attitudes are just as big a barrier.
That's all...soap box is someone else's now
shanigami said:
You know, I couldn't help but chime in here; I'm a freelance developer, and don't get to develop a lot for anything but work. So this brings me to a short manifesto (sorry I'm a marxist and I like to use the word when I can), even though it's just a list of observations I want to share:
1) No 'community' is better without someone [I hesitated to say anyone ]
1a) I feel this attitude is such a contradiction to the intent of
open-source. In other words, open-source, just not open-attitude.
1b) I'm not trying to be insulting, but I find it funny you
comment on the red-herring of someone's age, when I would think
someone closer to my age (I'm gathering you too are a gainfully employed
adult; we'll just say closer to 40 than 30 =) )...so I try to liken it to
working with people you don't necessarily like; caveat here is no ones
making a lot of/any money, so try to be a little more appreciative and
a little less judgmental (think off all these peeps work as a favor). Which
brings me to...
1c) "...he got into deving for this phone for the wrong reasons. This was
inevitable. I'm surprised he stuck THIS long." We need to get together
and start a business if u can read minds, and what the "wrong reasons"
for learning rom development might be...well I'll be thinking
on that one for a while
2) Is this even verified? I'm about to PM him and ask....he's been nothing
but polite and cordgial from what I've seen.
3) "That is the kind of quip Undead would regularly let go. And why???
Completely unnecessary." Ever occur to you that the community(YOU)
should complain about the post and get it removed? If it's that
bad it will be?
3a) Personally, I'd rather devs work on what they do best, bringing
us great ROM's!
3b) Maybe the community needs to police itself a little, your post
seemed to be pointless, IMHO; I mean, apparently you don't like
this guy, but I bet you use his $hit.
EDIT: Confirmed, he's finishing up some of his current stuff and moving on to another device...even mentioned the XDA rift as one of the reasons...guess you can make software open-source, but peoples' attitudes are just as big a barrier.
That's all...soap box is someone else's now
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Wow. I'm impressed. That was very well said. FYI @_atlien_ I'm 27. I just got no patients for peoples stupidity. I pmed undeadk9 a long message. Thanking him for the time he did develop for us. Also @_atlien_ It is YOUR attitude and YOUR Stupidity asking bout unmarrying android and Google was by far the most stupid request I've even seen on any forum. YOU bring out the worst in people. Just saying. Rather then pointing fingers at undead why don't you look in the mirror. When people ask stupid questions it tends to piss off people. The community would actually be better off without YOU. Not undeadk9.
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AndroidBotx said:
wait wait wait...aren't you the same idiot who thought it was a good idea to "unmarry" android and Google? Lmfao. You might as well just keep your mouth shut. You got zero creditibilty in this discussion. I'm not even a dev and I know its not possible.
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Don't worry buddy, I've reported you
Technically it is possible to a certain extent. Just don't install any gapps
Ive never even seen anything undead released, i just got this phone last weekend, anyways its always sad to see a developer leave the scene, i come from the evo shift forums and we had some good development but nothing was updated and maintained there was always a new release that never seen updates, and i stepped up and did everything i could for them, and it was a very rewarding adventure....btw never sell anyone short because you all just got a couple new users than can dev a bit lol
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just read a rant http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2122219&page=15 posted by a themer/modder who wasnt getting love for his/her work. i absolutely understood the point of the rant. people *****ing at the dude for not timely fixing a minor glitch. geeze i'd be pissed t00
i guess i don't understand the importance of the "thanks" :good: button. is it incentive based? prize money for the top thanks earner. woo-hoo! or is it just an expression of gratitude? forum etiquette? or somehting else?
unfortunately, thinking i havent used the dang thing enough. nor have i made fair use of the pay pal button either. sorry to those from whose work i benefited. i'll be certain to hit both the donate and thanks buttons in the future.
thanks
Its more of a gratitude thing. It also shows on the users profile. It shows good reputation on the forums, and that they are usually helpful. The more thanks, the more helpful people find your posts. That's why usually at the end of a mod or ROM post, you'll find lots of thanks. Its a free way to show gratitude. I've looked into modding and theming and I know how crazy it is. I don't take a second to hesitate when I see something I like. Of course, if you're feeling extra generous, a donation doesn't hurt at all. Like Andy said, he made over $1,000 making mods on the inc2. I never got to donate for anything of his, as I'm a broke college student so I can't spare anything at all. However, I know his is some of the best in the business. He was an insider on many teams who have uber talented devs. A little thanks or donation always helps.
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As mentioned above, it's all about respect and grattitude. Not everyone can donate money, and sometimes things deserve a little recognition but not quite the monetary kind
From the developer standpoint, think of it as street-cred and they want to earn it.
got it. thanks
markkal123 said:
just read a rant http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2122219&page=15 posted by a themer/modder who wasnt getting love for his/her work. i absolutely understood the point of the rant. people *****ing at the dude for not timely fixing a minor glitch. geeze i'd be pissed t00
i guess i don't understand the importance of the "thanks" :good: button. is it incentive based? prize money for the top thanks earner. woo-hoo! or is it just an expression of gratitude? forum etiquette? or somehting else?
unfortunately, thinking i havent used the dang thing enough. nor have i made fair use of the pay pal button either. sorry to those from whose work i benefited. i'll be certain to hit both the donate and thanks buttons in the future.
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kind of rude to make a thread about me rather than just PM me..
but whatever..
I don't get paid for someone hitting the thanks button.
It's a sign of respect within the forum.
When you put your free time and effort into a product that someone else is using and enjoying, the least they can do to show they are appreciative is to hit the thanks button, it's exactly that, saying thank you for your work.
I guess it's hard to remember what it's like to NOT know and understand.
I try to put myself back in that position, but when I spend countless hours and many late nights, leaving for a ****ty next work day to put out a theme that I don't even use... I was just kindly asked by someone, so I got to it when I had the time.
Yes I rant time to time, now being one of them, but to all those who truly know me, I think would say I am an alright guy. I can and will be a **** to you if I think it's deserved, but that's me. There's only one andybones lol