Since original thread was closed (just as I said it would even without a good reason) as I was typing answer below
I feel obliged to answer it here
Well, looks like it is. Any criticism of xda is not tolerated here, and this thread will lead to criticism.
If you still care for my opinion...
No, sharing is not xda spirit anymore, well at least not for some people. Popularity and donations is, by the looks of it.
I do not say that this applies to everyone, only to certain people, and it looks like xda supports it in general.
And members cannot express their view if their view goes against what xda likes to hear.
SOPA anyone?
Just saying
If you decide to post something in this thread, please consider that there should be no flaming, profanities etc, so xda does not have good grounds to close it.
matmar said:
Members can express their view and i do not think it is pointless or against xda rules...it is ? If yes i apologize by advance....
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....sigh....
Well, for me it's another sad sad day for XDA.
I'm "really" thinking HTC should step in, collect THEIR assets once and for all.
This is never going to stop this way. This was (yes was) a sharing community, and honestly is doesn't feel like a community anymore.
For me, and I regret to say this, the only real solution for this is when HTC relocks their bootloaders so custom roms become a thing from history.
There's just too much showing off, whining this, whining that and all other crap going on.
And really what is the point??
We are all in the same boat, wanting the exact same thing!
I just cannot understand this.
We buy HTC especially for this line of "work".
People should think twice or even five times before letting their d... deside.
Anyway, my 2 cents (IC's )
Lol, you should have known it would happen.
Peeps, let's keep it social here.
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....sigh....
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sigh is right! We're all sighing!
tinky1 said:
Since original thread was closed (just as I said it would even without a good reason) as I was typing answer below
I feel obliged to answer it here
Well, looks like it is. Any criticism of xda is not tolerated here, and this thread will lead to criticism.
If you still care for my opinion...
No, sharing is not xda spirit anymore, well at least not for some people. Popularity and donations is, by the looks of it.
I do not say that this applies to everyone, only to certain people, and it looks like xda supports it in general.
And members cannot express their view if their view goes against what xda likes to hear.
SOPA anyone?
Just saying
If you decide to post something in this thread, please consider that there should be no flaming, profanities etc, so xda does not have good grounds to close it.
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and this is why I love you tinky. I wnted to voice my own opinion but didn't. You did it for me! for us!
Tinky for president? Which country though
Lol, just lol.
KAwAtA said:
sigh is right! We're all sighing!
and this is why I love you tinky. I wnted to voice my own opinion but didn't. You did it for me! for us!
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Trollville recently outvoted me... perhaps you could replace me
Just sayin'
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Tinky for president? Which country though
Lol, just lol.
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tinky1 said:
Since original thread was closed (just as I said it would even without a good reason) as I was typing answer below
I feel obliged to answer it here
Well, looks like it is. Any criticism of xda is not tolerated here, and this thread will lead to criticism.
If you still care for my opinion...
No, sharing is not xda spirit anymore, well at least not for some people. Popularity and donations is, by the looks of it.
I do not say that this applies to everyone, only to certain people, and it looks like xda supports it in general.
And members cannot express their view if their view goes against what xda likes to hear.
SOPA anyone?
Just saying
If you decide to post something in this thread, please consider that there should be no flaming, profanities etc, so xda does not have good grounds to close it.
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The sharing mentality of XDA has not gone away. But it's certainly been reduced in light of WinZip wizards and cocky chefs who think they're God's gift to a device. The heart of this latest flare up is the simple fact that 3 devs refuse to work together or cooperate in any way. We (the moderators) deal with hundreds of reported posts everyday, and quite frankly I pitty the members who allow such infantile sh*t to occur.
Regarding sharing: Just because someone has a source that allows them early access to a file, which has happened since all the way back in WM's days here, they are under zero obligation to share it with anyone else. Most times this can risk exposing the source, which could potentially shut everyone down.
The key difference between then (WM) and now (Android) is that everyone seems to be more concerned with beating everyone else to the release, thereby claiming all the glory and potential donations. Sharing is very much still alive here, but it seems otherwise due to device popularity causing competition as opposed to cooperation. Back when smartphones were reserved for the geeks and otherwise tech savvy people, the community was much smaller, and knew each other on what was sometimes a personal level. We all worked together for a common goal. Don't believe me, have a look around the older sections of XDA, and try to count on more than 1 hand how many chefs/devs ever mention the word donations. Now do the same in the Android areas, and try to find 5 chefs/devs/winzip wizards who don't ask for them.
Ok here's how it is.......
Some of you may not like this but it needs to be said.......
Sharing is and always has been encouraged here on XDA. That said,if someone has a valid reason not to publicly share something, nobody has the right to hold that against them....
The situation we have here is not caused by one single person and is certainly not caused by XDA as a whole, it is not even directly related to the sharing aspect.
What we have here is a situation blown completely out of proportion due to a combination of over inflated egos and petty personal disputes.
First guy said:
"whaaa whaa whaa I want what he's got.........."
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"Dude, you should totally troll his thread, oh yeah and the mods are nazis... trololololol"
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There are many many users and developers across the board who need to take a step back from their screen for a second, stuff a hand down the front of their pants to check if there's a set of balls in there....
If there is then they should take that as sign that its time to pull their head out of their arse and stop acting like eight year old girls fighting over a hairbrush...........
This is a development forum. Not a playground. This problem is not specific to the Sensation forums either, it permeates throughout the entire site so do not be surprised when the moderation team take action against a user who has violated the rules of the forum.
That is what we are here to do.
Due to the large number of whiny trolls currently infesting the forums, threads such as this only create drama and bring back the problems we are trying to eliminate. (Whether that was the OP's intention or not)
Nobody on the moderation team has a problem with criticism.
I have many issues with this site. If someone were to tell me I cannot raise them then I would tell them to go **** themselves. However, there is a right way of going about this and a wrong way.
Any user is always welcome to contact a moderator about any concerns they might have. Should you have a problem with a particular moderator then contact a member of the moderator committee or an admin. (a list is in my sig btw)
Contrary to popular belief, the mod team is not some elitist "old boys club" and we do not play favourites. Each and every moderator is expected to adhere to a code of conduct and can expect to be promptly dismissed should they not do so.
That however does not mean that we will not make unpopular decision should the need arise.
/rant
Come On!
I am just plain dissapointed.. I think that the dev should share what they find, after all did they create the base no.... where do they get it? sharing!!! I am leaning away from xda community as of late for reasons revolving around this exact problem!! And now favorite dev for sensation is not here!!
Very, very true. Unfortunately xda seems to prefer to just close thread, give infractions, and try to shut everyone up instead of trying to encourage cooperation. Shall we try to change something here together, as a community?
P. S. Nice to see mods participating in conversation. Maybe(hopefully) it's a beginning of a better relationship?
NotATreoFan said:
The sharing mentality of XDA has not gone away. But it's certainly been reduced in light of WinZip wizards and cocky chefs who think they're God's gift to a device. The heart of this latest flare up is the simple fact that 3 devs refuse to work together or cooperate in any way. We (the moderators) deal with hundreds of reported posts everyday, and quite frankly I pitty the members who allow such infantile sh*t to occur.
Regarding sharing: Just because someone has a source that allows them early access to a file, which has happened since all the way back in WM's days here, they are under zero obligation to share it with anyone else. Most times this can risk exposing the source, which could potentially shut everyone down.
The key difference between then (WM) and now (Android) is that everyone seems to be more concerned with beating everyone else to the release, thereby claiming all the glory and potential donations. Sharing is very much still alive here, but it seems otherwise due to device popularity causing competition as opposed to cooperation. Back when smartphones were reserved for the geeks and otherwise tech savvy people, the community was much smaller, and knew each other on what was sometimes a personal level. We all worked together for a common goal. Don't believe me, have a look around the older sections of XDA, and try to count on more than 1 hand how many chefs/devs ever mention the word donations. Now do the same in the Android areas, and try to find 5 chefs/devs/winzip wizards who don't ask for them.
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I agree with both MTM AND NATF, and since I am one of the oldest members still active here, I can also confirm what NATF just said. We need cooperation between Devs and not pride wars.
Unfortunately this is not the case...
Winzip wizzard here (actually i use total commander but thats another story) - no irony here, if anyone has enough time to search my history on xda he will see i always said i'm cooking i'm not developing.
back to the discussion.
"they are under zero obligation to share it with anyone else. Most times this can risk exposing the source, which could potentially shut everyone down."
yes is true XDA can't make people share their source - 100% agree
risk of exposure ? i doubt is the case ,these test build are leaked with HTC's OK, we do the final beta testing for free . Let's not get into conspiracy theories here.
Is not just 3 devs who have a problem, again if anyone has the time to search xda will see one of the chefs had arguments with a lot more than 2 chefs .
Donations. I personally don't ask for them, i accept them .
As for me, i never wanted to be the 1st, and in the rare moments i had a thing 1st i shared it, i never cared about my thread rating and didn't cry when i got 1 star instead of five and so on. don't believe me ? again use the search .
about sharing, good or bad, 1st or the latest, i always said everyone is free to use what they want and do whatever they want with my zip-mods
IMHO I think XDA uses the term recognized developer far too loosely.
mudhi is a developer, LEEDROiD a developer. Mike1986 has no code knowledge (there was a very heated discussion via PM between him and me about that, I won and he left me.alone eventually) and all "his" mods made by other people. he is not the only one, don't think I say this just to have a go at mike, there are also other but at least baadnewz does do own mods, search back to 2.08 base and his own mod based on the beats audio mod (can't remember the original developer)
these people like mike think a bit of hocus pocus in dsixda kitchen make them developers, IT DOES NOT (IMO)
I say this and many of you will be thinking I am a hypocrite. Ha, I know flash ActionScript, JavaScript, HTML, CSS, tiny bit of PHP, and some java as well as currently learning smali, I came originally from DFG StarMods (where I now have the honour of being one of the admins) which is a flash theme development site for Samsung phones (like tocco lite, star, Monte and the jet)
And another thing, if people make a ROM based on a new leak/release but choose not to share the RUU, then they really have no grounds to complain about kangs because they brought it on themselves by refusing to share. If they share, kangs won't happen so I think it is unfair for baad to have received infraction because it is only human nature for users to want the best, the newest etc
p.s all apk files libs etc from any of our ROMs belong to HTC not the chefs
there are a bit more than beats stuff.
ported amaze camera and album to work on every 2.3.3-2.3.5 sense 3/3.5 rom
when was the 1st leak of android 2.3.4 from Chinese source i was the one who made location / friendstream / stock etc. to work with it and so on
baadnewz said:
there are a bit more than beats stuff.
ported amaze camera and album to work on every 2.3.3-2.3.5 sense 3/3.5 rom
when was the 1st leak of android 2.3.4 from Chinese source i was the one who made location / friendstream / stock etc. to work with it and so on
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NotATreoFan said:
The key difference between then (WM) and now (Android) is that everyone seems to be more concerned with beating everyone else to the release, thereby claiming all the glory and potential donations. Sharing is very much still alive here, but it seems otherwise due to device popularity causing competition as opposed to cooperation. Back when smartphones were reserved for the geeks and otherwise tech savvy people, the community was much smaller, and knew each other on what was sometimes a personal level. We all worked together for a common goal. Don't believe me, have a look around the older sections of XDA, and try to count on more than 1 hand how many chefs/devs ever mention the word donations. Now do the same in the Android areas, and try to find 5 chefs/devs/winzip wizards who don't ask for them.
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True, but this isn't platform dependent at all. WinMo ROM development suffered from this too.
Donations make people greedy, some guys just made their rom cooking tenure a part-time job. Nowadays Smartphones became over-popular causing this to be a great money source.
In my personal opinion xda-devs should somehow promote/encourage developers that do not accept donations, make freeware, and release their source code for free.
Jackos said:
True, but this isn't platform dependent at all. WinMo ROM development suffered from this too.
Donations make people greedy, some guys just made their rom cooking tenure a part-time job. Nowadays Smartphones became over-popular causing this to be a great money source.
In my personal opinion xda-devs should somehow promote/encourage developers that do not accept donations, make freeware, and release their source code for free.
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QFT!
Money is the root of most of the problems with XDA these days...
And I can't see that changing unfortunately.
So,are we getting anywhere guys?
Is there a way to encourage sharing somehow?
It just beyond my comprehension that an apple can be given for someone to give a bite to anyone who'd like it, but no one else can take that apple to give a bite. End result is the same in think.
It's not about Mike not sharing when he is told not to share (if that is true, I don't know and not judging him). It's the concept of having something to share but only allowing one person to share it which gets me confused. Why!?
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QFT!
Money is the root of most of the problems with XDA these days...
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Thank GOD somebody started discussing this! I tried to started, but the thread was closed the second I started it. I will hold my tongue, but you can read between the lines:
Baad
We miss you!
Related
i know this is not the place for this, i dont even know why am i doing this, but i felt the need to say it: as imperfect as it is, with all our noobs, experienced users, rom cooking just for the fun of it, donations (hell, smb was willing to donate even a whole kaiser!!), advices for free, fun all around, helpful persons willing to help just because we share a common passion...
... all these mean so much to me and in my eyes they are a lot more beautiful than the world we see everyday.
dont know exactly why i had to say this, but please go on and keep it as such. also, thanks to all of you for putting your little brick at the foundation of a beautiful building!
as smb was saying in another post, love is in the air... maybe its the spring...
Although it's a bit twee, I have to agree.
The concept of developers & users sharing ideas and code and actually HELPING each other in return for donations to the level you can afford is a fantastic concept - and one that Microsoft would do well to learn from (amongst others).
The end result is everyone is MUCH happier and the product is much better. The only problem is I suspect nobody on here could make a living from it...
I'm feeling all teary eyed now. But you guys & gals are right. Group hug.
Let's all sing together now.
Koom By Ya...... why am I the only one singing?
Sorry....
I was too busy reaching for the kleenex box
hehe... bunch of nerds... really!!... get all hot and flustered at the idea of a new rom or some cab file... it's so sweet...
isn't there a restaurant in London with no prices on the menu but where patrons pay what they believe the meal is worth? Remember hearing about it years ago. Wonder if they still in business.
Yeah there are some talented cooks/programmers on this site. It's a wonderful site for owners of pda's looking for a little doctoring of their phones and I wish xda-developers.com all the best in the future...
Because...
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...you fell down and cracked your head ?
Just kidding mate
I cracked my screen last night.... was thinking of having a service for my phone.... bagpipes and everything... let me know if you guys will be coming.
What the hell's the matter with you blundering boobs & sniveling sissies?
This belongs in the Development Forum why?
And you Tater, kumbaya????
Oh...
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What the hell's the matter with you blundering boobs & sniveling sissies?
This belongs in the Development Forum why?
And you Tater, kumbaya????
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...you just hurt my feelings...
I agree
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love is in the air... maybe its the spring...
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I am totaly Agree, specialy If you post something, if it is already posted, there is alot of love around...Yeah its the spring
i must say its very touching what u wrote and very true. even though i am new to xda being here has truly been a wonderful experience.
The amount of knowledge is truly monumental.
now on singing kombaya i need some body to give me a beat ...
its not even about money or anything, its about people. just hearing that laurentius spent one whole day (9am - 12pm) to tweak a new rom for us, for you, for anybody, made me think that passion is everything, or anyway a lot more than what people are forced to do for a living.
ive been reading this forum for over 2 years now and remember a lot of things, funny posts, things that, together with the great pieces of software developed, made my day now and then. thank ya all for this!
as you say, this is a silly thread and should under no circumstances stay especially here under the rom development section. kyphur, related to a discussion from laurentius new diamond rom thread, feel free to delete all these.
thesire said:
i must say its very touching what u wrote and very true. even though i am new to xda being here has truly been a wonderful experience.
The amount of knowledge is truly monumental.
now on singing kombaya i need some body to give me a beat ...
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as most of you probably, i am user on different forums as well. although some amount of flaming is present here as well, it is under no circumstances comparable to things happening on other sites and im grateful to all of you for this.
maybe we should have the national hymn of xdadev, for example Kombaya, somewhere to be downloaded or at least to be visible.
Me too!
Just wanted to add my agreement and appreciation for all that is offered from xda and the people that make it all work. A heart felt "Thank you very much!"
Delete this thread? NEVER...
I'll just move it to someplace more appropriate (but I did leave a perm redirect so it's always hooked to Kaiser Rom Dev)...
True, true... To be honest the only reason I keep buying HTC devices is xda-developers community Although HTC with their support and behavior is trying really hard to persuade me from these decisions on buying new HTC hardware )
harry_x said:
True, true... To be honest the only reason I keep buying HTC devices is xda-developers community Although HTC with their support and behavior is trying really hard to persuade me from these decisions on buying new HTC hardware )
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Agreed, if I were head of marketing for HTC I would pay Dutty (amongst others) to continue cooking roms for our devices.
OMG, sensitive nerds! *turns around and sneaks away*
Just to also add few thoughts on this forum.
This year I bought my first ever PDA, and had to go to considerable trouble to have it delivered here. In a country where the concept of customer support is not yet in existence, and with thousand noob questions, this forum has provided all the help that I needed. So, this forum means a lot to people like me who have no access to official customer support services or other facilities available elsewhere.
My only regret is that as yet, I am unable to more actively contribute to the great community here.
Thanks XDA developers and keep it up.
Okay, I just wanted to share with everyone here how the mods act. Despite my good intentions with my thread yesterday about people considering temp root over S-OFF for simple bloatware removal, I was flamed into oblivion by the revolution whores here.
Now today, I wake up to find a moderator has decided to run it into my face with this PM:
mrg02d,
I wanted to let you know that your thread, S-OFF isnt for Everyone, READ first!,has been moved from the Sensation Generalforum to the trash forum.
Thanks!
benko286
Who the hell is the head nerd here? Id like to find out if this is out the "management" rolls?
Funny that I have more "thanks" than this asshole mod.
Oh well, I still have my GF and my great Electrical Engineering job! That, and so many other things to mention that OWN you, benk0286.
Id like a head mod to explain to me how this action by benko286 was in line with the forum?
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Oh well, I still have my GF and my great Electrical Engineering job! That, and so many other things to mention that OWN you, benk0286.
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Wow! A girlfriend AND a job? That is proof positive that you clearly win at life and your thread should be moved back.
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And you need to learn how to spell, Mr. Electrical Engineer!
Here come the nerds to benkos side! Lets get it on. Sorry, I dont type as well as you do. My job doesnt require me to type, it requires me to THINK.
And yes, I win at life and have tiger's blood that would melt you.
To other mods that see this. This is what happens when you act like a ****head and PM people like Benko did me. Did you think I would let that fly? You cannot be a mod, do that ****, then expect people to let you get away with it.
This thread had no point other than to fight back AND let others see what kind of mods this forum has. I hope there are some decent mods that show up.
Oh yea, insulting someone's spelling is the most trivial method of flaming. It shows you have very little creativity, which is likely attributed to you being a sexually frustrated teen boy.
If you are going to flame, then do so with some ingenuity.
To the rest of this forum, the ones that either agree with me, or simply dont agree with flaming somone with a different opinion, this is just me letting out some steam over the poor moderation I see going on. I intend to return to normally scheduled programming, but thought that BENKO needed to be brought to justice. The community ought know who is "watching" them and editing their posts.
Matt
I agree with you at the spelling thing. its for people who are only Good at spelling, nothing else
I hates when some D-bag comes from no where and making a comment on missing letter go figure he finally found something that he know about.
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Oh yea, insulting someone is the most trivial method of flaming. It shows you have very little creativity, which is likely attributed to you being a sexually frustrated teen boy.
If you are going to flame, then do so with some ingenuity.
To the rest of this forum, the ones that either agree with me, or simply dont agree with flaming somone with a different opinion, this is just me letting out some steam over the poor moderation I see going on. I intend to return to normally scheduled programming, but thought that BENKO needed to be brought to justice. The community ought know who is "watching" them and editing their posts.
Matt
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FTFY
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I dont know what FTFY means...You forgot, I have a job and a life, little child.
I suppose you will tell me to google it? Well, I wont. Its no different than an immigrant speaking a different language to me knowing damn well that I dont speak theirs.
Matt
Wow pick your teddy and your dummy up.
mrg02d said:
I dont know what FTFY means...You forgot, I have a job and a life, little child.
I suppose you will tell me to google it? Well, I wont. Its no different than an immigrant speaking a different language to me knowing damn well that I dont speak theirs.
Matt
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You come to a "geeky" forum on the Internet and don't know what a simple abbreviation means? That's like being an "engineer" and not knowing how to spell professional.
Not everyone here is a little child with no life, by the way. But whatever makes you feel better!
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hurrpancakes said:
You come to a "geeky" forum on the Internet and don't know what a simple abbreviation means? That's like being an "engineer" and not knowing how to spell professional.
Not everyone here is a little child with no life, by the way. But whatever makes you feel better!
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That would be like an ENGLISH TEACHER not knowing how to spell professional...Seriously, you made that too easy!
Why would I know what that abbreviation means? Why would most people know what that means?
Well, it DOES make me feel better to know that you may be the only little child, with no life here. Thanks!
But this thread needs to get back on topic...This is to bring to light the fact that mods here need to step up their game and improve the quality of their work. This isnt the first time I have seen issues with mods mentioned. This forum likes to take pride in itself, yes? Well, you can only be as good as your leadership.
mrg02d said:
That would be like an ENGLISH TEACHER not knowing how to spell professional...Seriously, you made that too easy!
Why would I know what that abbreviation means? Why would most people know what that means?
Well, it DOES make me feel better to know that you may be the only little child, with no life here. Thanks!
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Sorry, I thought in 4+ years of higher education, a grown adult with a *gasp* girlfriend would know some simple spelling, or realize how immature it is to fly off the handle in a public forum for no reason.
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@Matt - I feel your pain man. Sometimes as mods, people get a little over zealous with their cleanup powers. Just remember, one mod doesn't necessarily express the views of the whole community.
I was entertained by your thread personally. It was a great alternative for people not wanting to go through the whole process.
Also, remember, with the nature of this forum, its bound to attract adolescents. I'd put my money on that, there the ones who derailled your thread. As for spelling, well, I have large thumbs and don't check my spelling ever. Especially when typing from mobile devices.
Sit back and relax with a fresh cup of Joe! Pm another mod and kindly ask them to resurrect your thread from the trash. Don't let the interwebs upset you. Lives too short for drama.
I like original thoughts, hence engineers!
skygear said:
@Matt - I feel your pain man. Sometimes as mods, people get a little over zealous with their cleanup powers. Just remember, one mod doesn't necessarily express the views of the whole community.
I was entertained by your thread personally. It was a great alternative for people not wanting to go through the whole process.
Also, remember, with the nature of this forum, its bound to attract adolescents. I'd put my money on that, there the ones who derailled your thread. As for spelling, well, I have large thumbs and don't check my spelling ever. Especially when typing from mobile devices.
Sit back and relax with a fresh cup of Joe! Pm another mod and kindly ask them to resurrect your thread from the trash. Don't let the interwebs upset you. Lives too short for drama.
I like original thoughts, hence engineers!
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Finally, someone with some decency around here! Its like a breath of fresh air!
Also, thanks for splash of cold water! I needed it...You have a point about the the bugs I have been attracting.
Amazing what coffee can do!
Where might I find a list of mods?
Thanks!
Matt
I'll look around for the list. On the forums I mod/ admin on, the mods names are on the designated forum so all can see. Not the case here.
Not only have them resurrect it, see if they'll delete any trolling comments as well.
This guy seems reasonable http://forum.xda-developers.com/member.php?u=2235607 I pm'd him the other day.
But yes- should have removed the OT posts instead of trashing the whole thread.
By the way, sorry to see a new member treated is such a manner. Not a very warm welcome to the community.
You need to stop Matt. A PM to the mod would be best.... Not posting a new thread to get flamed again.
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I find it funny that op is calling everyone a child yet he is the one that made a thread complaining about moderators on an internet message board.
Sounds like whining to me.
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To be honest it's was a pointless thread.
FYI.
Think what you want about the guy, he kept ROMs moving when there was only two guys working on our device. I for one will miss his work. He pushed development away from shades of stock and in interesting directions. He is moving to a Samsung Galaxy S Epic II.
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Coug76 said:
FYI.
Think what you want about the guy, he kept ROMs moving when there was only two guys working on our device. I for one will miss his work. He pushed development away from shades of stock and in interesting directions. He is moving to a Samsung Galaxy S Epic II.
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He might have been the King of Kang, but he did some good stuff with the phone. Dem ROMs.
That's a bummer, I know a lot of people enjoyed his work. I however will not miss his attitude, I stopped using any of his work months ago because of the way he talked to people. I much prefer to support Blue, because he is very helpful, and approachable, and is always respectful. I am bummed for the people who enjoyed Undead's work though.
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That's a bummer, I know a lot of people enjoyed his work. I however will not miss his attitude, I stopped using any of his work months ago because of the way he talked to people. I much prefer to support Blue, because he is very helpful, and approachable, and is always respectful. I am bummed for the people who enjoyed Undead's work though.
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Being a developer is stressful. I for one would have his same attitude if I was a developer. He did have a bad attitude at times but he supported his work to the fullest. No other dev for DS can say that.
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Who cares about his attitude?
I've never encountered him acting out on anyone, granted I've only been in this community for the past few weeks or so, but does that matter?
He was great at making roms, and graciously released his work to all of us. He even kept up a great update schedule. Devs are not here to be your friend or guidance counselor. And they also have no obligation of being nice to anyone. Releasing their work to everyone is nice in itself.
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Who cares about his attitude?
I've never encountered him acting out on anyone, granted I've only been in this community for the past few weeks or so, but does that matter?
He was great at making roms, and graciously released his work to all of us. He even kept up a great update schedule. Devs are not here to be your friend or guidance counselor. And they also have no obligation of being nice to anyone. Releasing their work to everyone is nice in itself.
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It is my right to think he had a bad attitude and boycott his work. I also didn't like him cutting out common features from a rom just to make it faster, when this device is already fast enough for anything I need it to do, so I choose to use something else. I think no matter what anyone does, they can be respectful when talking to people. That doesn't mean being a friend or guidance counselor, it just means being respectful. Also there were other issues that caused him to get banned from xda, so I am not the only one who has an issue with the guy (just sayin').
Anytime a dev leaves a community, it's generally a bad thing.
I totally respect the fact that he put a lot of time and energy into building these ROMs, however, I never really felt like he *owned* any. Most developers tend to build a ROM that they use, and improve it. Undead built like a bazillion ROMS, and I never felt like he really personally used/supported any of his creations.
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It is my right to think he had a bad attitude and boycott his work. I also didn't like him cutting out common features from a rom just to make it faster, when this device is already fast enough for anything I need it to do, so I choose to use something else. I think no matter what anyone does, they can be respectful when talking to people. That doesn't mean being a friend or guidance counselor, it just means being respectful. Also there were other issues that caused him to get banned from xda, so I am not the only one who has an issue with the guy (just sayin').
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Of course it is your right. I never said it wasn't. And as I said before, I've never seen him act out.
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Every time.
I think the biggest impact would be to out counterparts in the rootzwiki. Without him, I think that forum is gonna go quite... quiet.
Meanwhile, I don't think it's a good idea for members in this community to be flaming at each other--we're supposed to support each other, aren't we?
It sucks that he left (here and mt4gs in general) - whether we regard him as king kang, or DS's savior, but we'll have to move on. I'm probably gonna write him a PM over at rootz saying thanks for his contribution for MT4GS later today.
You know, I couldn't help but chime in here; I'm a freelance developer, and don't get to develop a lot for anything but work. So this brings me to a short manifesto (sorry I'm a marxist and I like to use the word when I can), even though it's just a list of observations I want to share:
1) No 'community' is better without someone [I hesitated to say anyone ]
1a) I feel this attitude is such a contradiction to the intent of
open-source. In other words, open-source, just not open-attitude.
1b) I'm not trying to be insulting, but I find it funny you
comment on the red-herring of someone's age, when I would think
someone closer to my age (I'm gathering you too are a gainfully employed
adult; we'll just say closer to 40 than 30 =) )...so I try to liken it to
working with people you don't necessarily like; caveat here is no ones
making a lot of/any money, so try to be a little more appreciative and
a little less judgmental (think off all these peeps work as a favor). Which
brings me to...
1c) "...he got into deving for this phone for the wrong reasons. This was
inevitable. I'm surprised he stuck THIS long." We need to get together
and start a business if u can read minds, and what the "wrong reasons"
for learning rom development might be...well I'll be thinking
on that one for a while
2) Is this even verified? I'm about to PM him and ask....he's been nothing
but polite and cordgial from what I've seen.
3) "That is the kind of quip Undead would regularly let go. And why???
Completely unnecessary." Ever occur to you that the community(YOU)
should complain about the post and get it removed? If it's that
bad it will be?
3a) Personally, I'd rather devs work on what they do best, bringing
us great ROM's!
3b) Maybe the community needs to police itself a little, your post
seemed to be pointless, IMHO; I mean, apparently you don't like
this guy, but I bet you use his $hit.
EDIT: Confirmed, he's finishing up some of his current stuff and moving on to another device...even mentioned the XDA rift as one of the reasons...guess you can make software open-source, but peoples' attitudes are just as big a barrier.
That's all...soap box is someone else's now
shanigami said:
You know, I couldn't help but chime in here; I'm a freelance developer, and don't get to develop a lot for anything but work. So this brings me to a short manifesto (sorry I'm a marxist and I like to use the word when I can), even though it's just a list of observations I want to share:
1) No 'community' is better without someone [I hesitated to say anyone ]
1a) I feel this attitude is such a contradiction to the intent of
open-source. In other words, open-source, just not open-attitude.
1b) I'm not trying to be insulting, but I find it funny you
comment on the red-herring of someone's age, when I would think
someone closer to my age (I'm gathering you too are a gainfully employed
adult; we'll just say closer to 40 than 30 =) )...so I try to liken it to
working with people you don't necessarily like; caveat here is no ones
making a lot of/any money, so try to be a little more appreciative and
a little less judgmental (think off all these peeps work as a favor). Which
brings me to...
1c) "...he got into deving for this phone for the wrong reasons. This was
inevitable. I'm surprised he stuck THIS long." We need to get together
and start a business if u can read minds, and what the "wrong reasons"
for learning rom development might be...well I'll be thinking
on that one for a while
2) Is this even verified? I'm about to PM him and ask....he's been nothing
but polite and cordgial from what I've seen.
3) "That is the kind of quip Undead would regularly let go. And why???
Completely unnecessary." Ever occur to you that the community(YOU)
should complain about the post and get it removed? If it's that
bad it will be?
3a) Personally, I'd rather devs work on what they do best, bringing
us great ROM's!
3b) Maybe the community needs to police itself a little, your post
seemed to be pointless, IMHO; I mean, apparently you don't like
this guy, but I bet you use his $hit.
EDIT: Confirmed, he's finishing up some of his current stuff and moving on to another device...even mentioned the XDA rift as one of the reasons...guess you can make software open-source, but peoples' attitudes are just as big a barrier.
That's all...soap box is someone else's now
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Wow. I'm impressed. That was very well said. FYI @_atlien_ I'm 27. I just got no patients for peoples stupidity. I pmed undeadk9 a long message. Thanking him for the time he did develop for us. Also @_atlien_ It is YOUR attitude and YOUR Stupidity asking bout unmarrying android and Google was by far the most stupid request I've even seen on any forum. YOU bring out the worst in people. Just saying. Rather then pointing fingers at undead why don't you look in the mirror. When people ask stupid questions it tends to piss off people. The community would actually be better off without YOU. Not undeadk9.
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wait wait wait...aren't you the same idiot who thought it was a good idea to "unmarry" android and Google? Lmfao. You might as well just keep your mouth shut. You got zero creditibilty in this discussion. I'm not even a dev and I know its not possible.
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Don't worry buddy, I've reported you
Technically it is possible to a certain extent. Just don't install any gapps
Ive never even seen anything undead released, i just got this phone last weekend, anyways its always sad to see a developer leave the scene, i come from the evo shift forums and we had some good development but nothing was updated and maintained there was always a new release that never seen updates, and i stepped up and did everything i could for them, and it was a very rewarding adventure....btw never sell anyone short because you all just got a couple new users than can dev a bit lol
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Scott had locked both of his threads thanks to a few xda members who had problems, and decided to take it out on him.
I think those people who blamed him should apologize, instead of being selfish and ruining for us all.
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Scott had locked both of his threads thanks to a few xda members who had problems, and decided to take it out on him.
I think those people who blamed him should apologize, instead of being selfish and ruining for us all.
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Yeah congratulations morons
*golfclaps*
I'm amazed at how some people can act like little children.
I never used any of Scott's work before but I've heard he turned out some pretty kickass stuff.
*sigh* People will never learn.
When people ignore mods telling them to knock it off, you know it's not going to end well.
Maybe a timeout for a day or two will let cooler heads prevail in the end.
I understand, if I was in Scott's position I would probably do the same. I just thinks it's funny how things clearly say what to do, and someone still messes it up.
I just sucks that people have to take it so far as to blame the dev for not doing something. When it for one flashing any thing has always been at your own risk, and two getting pissed off, and posting a nasty thread instead of just asking for help politely.
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Scott had locked both of his threads thanks to a few xda members who had problems, and decided to take it out on him.
I think those people who blamed him should apologize, instead of being selfish and ruining for us all.
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NOOOOOOOO! Cant we kust kick those retards off XDA, Scott please come back!
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NOOOOOOOO! Cant we kust kick those retards off XDA, Scott please come back!
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I'm pretty sure he is on his rom forums, maybe, just maybe if those people apologize, and we all ask nicely he may come back.
His work is great, I mean the s3 forums are donating to get him a phone. That alone should say something.
Now we are down to, we'll one sense rom that is kept up. And our aosp roms which can't progress much more without source.
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This totally blows. His roms were great and that's all I rocked since the very beginning. I can't blame him at all. Hopefully within time maybe he can return. There are plenty of people that are greatful for his time and work.
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I agree... Ban them, god I hope Scott comes back, one of the only reasons to keep this phone. I was worried and stated that this could happen, I saw it in the Vivid thread.
I hope he reads this and realizes that there are way more that appreciate his work more then complain about it. If he did leave I can't say I blame him, just hope it doesn't happen
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So I have a few choice words that I think this entire forum should read, but its mainly directed to whomever was talking crap about Scott. And I don't know who it was. And I apologize for the occasional profanity, but its stuff like this that really hits home for me.
As developers, we try to enhance the user experience of our phones for the good of the community. We don't get anything out of developing besides the occasional donation that someone gives us since they like our work. We aren't forced to do the work that we do. I can turn around right now and cease all development on the two ROMs I do (AOKP and Evervolv) for this phone. But I don't. Want to know why? Because of all the people in the threads saying "Wow, this ROM is awesome! Thanks Rohan!" and "This made my phone really awesome! Thanks!". If I didn't have those people then I wouldn't feel like updating the ROM. Even if you aren't using my ROMs and you drop in to say "This looks awesome, though I will wait for more stability!" That feels good too since you know someone still liked your work.
When you have someone calling you "selfish" and "annoying" it gets to you. When you put your work out, you want it to be the best. When it isn't the best, you try to make it the best. Thats why I and every other developer on XDA update and fix bugs. We want the ROM to be the best it can be. Thats why I stay up regularly till 2 AM looking up new Android features and the Platform Guide on the android developer site. I want to become a better developer for the community. Not for myself, but for the community. When you have someone degrading yourself, you feel like ****. And when you don't feel good about your work, you feel like the community is not enjoying your work. At that point it becomes a "why bother even updating this" sort of thing.
So when someone is being an asshat in the forums against you, it hurts. If you think that putting these ROMs out benefits us, the developers in any way besides the infrequent donation, you are sorely mistaken. We put these ROMs out for the community. I enjoy making ROMs for the community because I like to see all of the "Great job!" posts in my thread. It vindicates my work and proves me right that I can indeed make a ROM people like. Sure, the donations are an added plus and they help as well.
And now onto the "selfish" part of that statement. Are. you. effing. kidding. me. Seriously? You call us selfish. After staying up late hours to get a ROM out for YOU, you turn around and call us selfish? I dont even know what to say to that statement. We are not "selfish." You think putting our name onto a ROM is the best prize in the world? Why the flying f*** would we need that? So that people know my name? Are you effing kidding me?
So whomever it was, GTFO. The work that we do as developers benefits nobody but the people of these forums. We, the developers help make XDA how great it is. If you don't want to deal with developers, please, go back to stock. We don't need you to run our ROMs.
And to the rest of you, thank you for showing your support. Its a sad day when someone as nice as Scott is lost due to a few spoilt brats in the forums. And please, if you are using a custom ROM and you are enjoying it, tell your developer that you like it. Tell them that this phone became better because of their work. I promise you that we read the posts when we have time. And whenever we do it makes us feel a bit more warm and fuzzy inside.
/endrant
+1 for hoping Scott ignores the bullies and comes back. His work has made a good phone great for me!
-- Jon
Awesome post dude agree 100%
Also hint hint the DB is the one posting in your aokp thread.
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Son of a ......
This is why you can't have nice things. Fraking whiners.
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So the little whiney, self-entitled b!tches of xda strike again. Seriously, f*ck all of you little twerps that posted anything disrespectful to Scott. He's amazing, and makes an amazing ROM and you should all be ashamed of yourselves for driving him away. I swear to god, I hate what xda has become. there are only a select few that put in any hard work for the rest to reap the benefits of, and there are always a sh!t ton of brats who think that they paid for these ROMs when they paid for their phones. It doesn't work that way, you sniveling little d!ckheads. These devs don't work for the manufacturers, the carriers, or xda- they do it FOR FREE, FOR US, because they kick ass, and they deserve nothing but respect from ALL OF US. Seriously, I am issuing a blanket F*CK YOU to every douche on xda who ever talked sh!t to or about any dev here.
I am going to go through his threads and anyone I see talking any sh!t to or about Scott is from here on out permanently banned from receiving ANY of my case giveaways.
Gunny, kleeman, rohan, or any of the other forum regulars that I interact with on a regular basis, if you would be so kind as to help point out who the offenders are it would be greatly appreciated.
Artood2s said:
Son of a ......
This is why you can't have nice things. Fraking whiners.
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+1.
This thread MAY or may not be related.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1761429
And MAY or may not be the 3rd poster.
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This thread MAY or may not be related.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1761429
And MAY or may not be the 3rd poster.
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Yeah, that was the first one that grabbed my attention in the CleanROM SE thread.
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Yeah, that was the first one that grabbed my attention in the CleanROM SE thread.
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Ah f it I'll just come out and say it. Yep that's the DB!
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Yeah, that was the first one that grabbed my attention in the CleanROM SE thread.
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Sad thing is like at least 4 people had the same issue, and it's all from lack of reading.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Scott state a long time ago like cleanrom 2.1 days that CWM caused issues? And Scott also said he loved CWM and hated to switch from it?
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Sad thing is like at least 4 people had the same issue, and it's all from lack of reading.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Scott state a long time ago like cleanrom 2.1 days that CWM caused issues? And Scott also said he loved CWM and hated to switch from it?
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Yep, back when the SD card wiping issues first started happening he told everyone not to use CWM and to use TWRP instead. Buuuut people don't want to do any actual reading so it becomes Scott's fault for not showing up at their doorstep and holding their hand for them when they flash his ROMs, cross the street, take a piss, what have you. Bottom line is if you flash, you assume ALL risk. It's your own damn fault for not reading. Even if you're flashing an updated version of the ROM you've been running for months, ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS read the entire OP for changelog, flash instructions, etc. The moron in question said that it's because his xda app didn't put the warning in red but bottom line is it was still there. Had he READ THE ENTIRE OP, he would have seen the warning whether it was red, green, blue or purple with pink polka dots. His own damn fault, and at this point I'm glad his phone got eff'd up. Serves him right.
Hi everyone,
I was shocked when I saw all of $droyd$'s threads renamed and closed. I have tried searching but could only get a very general and vague idea of why he left. Does anyone know which post(s) contributed to this?
Really sad to see such a good developer leaving our forums because of a few ungrateful people
Thanks
would know this too :crying:
If you look in said threads you would see why.
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AW: $droyd$ leaving?
He is leaving because we got some ****ing unthankful kids in here that just can't show respect. This is destroying our nice community! I think everybody who is not able to play around with the device itself to sort problems out should be leaving xda right now. This board is not made for people that are not willing to learn and work. No problem with noobs, everybody starts small, but that "let-others-google-it-for-me" mentality just sucks. Sorry dudes.
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slainbybeats said:
No problem with noobs, everybody starts small, but that "let-others-google-it-for-me" mentality just sucks. Sorry dudes.
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slainbybeats said:
He is leaving because we got some ****ing unthankful kids in here that just can't show respect. This is destroying our nice community! I think everybody who is not able to play around with the device itself to sort problems out should be leaving xda right now. This board is not made for people that are not willing to learn and work. No problem with noobs, everybody starts small, but that "let-others-google-it-for-me" mentality just sucks. Sorry dudes.
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You are right dude but acting like a stubborn child is the right way?
Pay to Post?
Maybe it should be pay to post in the developer section? I don't mean every time, but you have to of made a minimum donations to gain access. That way you get people who truly want to contribute and want to see the developers succeed. It will weed out all the question askers and complainers. We already have General, Q&A, and a Help threads to solve all their problems, they don't need to take it to the dev. I only think this should be used to restrict posting, not reading. This money could be pooled and distributed to "Recognized Developers."
I've never used any of his works, but honestly if you can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen. I totally agree that everyone should be more respectful and thankful for the time and effort put in by the devs. However, as a dev, you must be willing/able to accept criticism and realize you will never design/build anything that will satisfy everyone. Yes, there are many users on XDA who are childish and ungrateful for what they are given... but it is just as childish to not only abandon your work, but fully remove it from the larger community.
xda is full of maggots(noobs). i will do the same some time soon! some guys here are nice, some others are here for troll the threads, others to ask to much. the respect for kangers and developers here in xda is lost!.
development from my works is stoped untill these maggots learn some respect and be thankfull!.
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I've never used any of his works, but honestly if you can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen. I totally agree that everyone should be more respectful and thankful for the time and effort put in by the devs. However, as a dev, you must be willing/able to accept criticism and realize you will never design/build anything that will satisfy everyone. Yes, there are many users on XDA who are childish and ungrateful for what they are given... but it is just as childish to not only abandon your work, but fully remove it from the larger community.
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I have to say that I agree with you.
The devs are often treated like they are gods, which they are clearly not. They should be respected for their work, of course, and I feel like everyone should donate a lot more money (what are 5 bucks for an awesome rom every once in a while?!), but the attitude of some devs, or rather those people trying to "protect" the devs are, in my opinion, even worse then the childish users here on xda.
Yep a few idiots ruining it for everyone. Sad to see this as this was a great dev and will be missed.
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Hmm, his reaction is questionable. I can understand that he is p****d off by some users. But for that problem he has got "Add to ignore list". Why didn't he use that?
Look at the **** other devs get this is a common problem on xda I thought droyd had it good compared to other devices. Hell task a popular dev here has to lock his thread each day.
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Used $droyd$'s ROM's and he was always helpful and obviously put a LOT of time and effort in.
But the fact is that you'll always have some whiners and people who expect things(get needy) they shouldn't, and if you can't cope with that then this is bound to happen.
It's a shame it happened, I respect $droyd$'s decision, but he could and should have just ignored the whiners here...and concentrate on the 99% of users here that ARE grateful.
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Sorry but who the hell acted like a stubborn kid? Don't get what you are referring to...
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Leaving XDA because some users are rude/stupid is like leaving a pool because you didn't want to get wet. I've been hanging around here for many years and, while there are certainly more of them due to android's popularity, the level of trolls has always been high. I didn't even know there was an "ignore" function...I've just developed a mental "ignore" to be able to tolerate the thread bloat.
If you're making ROMs for other's approval, you are going to be disappointed...if you make them for yourself and share them with others, then [email protected] the trolls and enjoy your hard work.
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Leaving XDA because some users are rude/stupid is like leaving a pool because you didn't want to get wet. I've been hanging around here for many years and, while there are certainly more of them due to android's popularity, the level of trolls has always been high. I didn't even know there was an "ignore" function...I've just developed a mental "ignore" to be able to tolerate the thread bloat.
If you're making ROMs for other's approval, you are going to be disappointed...if you make them for yourself and share them with others, then [email protected] the trolls and enjoy your hard work.
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That's a kind of point I made in the other thread: Functional critics are good, you can even learn with then to make your roms better. Trolls must be reported. Simple.
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Leaving XDA because some users are rude/stupid is like leaving a pool because you didn't want to get wet. I've been hanging around here for many years and, while there are certainly more of them due to android's popularity, the level of trolls has always been high. I didn't even know there was an "ignore" function...I've just developed a mental "ignore" to be able to tolerate the thread bloat.
If you're making ROMs for other's approval, you are going to be disappointed...if you make them for yourself and share them with others, then [email protected] the trolls and enjoy your hard work.
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Its not that they make them for other peoples approval either. Its just hard and a thank you from time to time makes it easier. The people who treat the devs like crap make them not wanna do it anymore plain and simple. They are people too and they need that validation for working so hard and I don't blame them.
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OK, opinions are exchanged, all that should be said is said (even more than that). Before this gets out of hands, I close this thread.